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Coming up on Paratrue three Born, we'll be talking with
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Richard Webster about his book Llewllyns Little Book of Pendulums.
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Welcome do para Truth? What's up everybody, and welcome to
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Paratry three born. We are live on one O seven
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point seven FM in New Orleans, one five point three
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FM on the Gulf Coast and of course the United
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Public Radio Network. My name is Eric, and I'm justin
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and I am still very surely getting over this darn cough.
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So I do apologize again everybody. You know how it
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is weeks and weeks and weeks. He says, Oh no,
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I don't know why I say no, Sun.
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I get sick.
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Anyway, we won't spend too much time here chatting between
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you and I because we have guest with us. So
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without further ado, let's bring on Richard Webster. Richard, Welcome
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to Pertry three born. Uh, and I apologize for not
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getting on a little earlier to properly. Is reduced to
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myself before.
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The show, that it's good.
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You so right off the bat, just for anyone or
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someone who's like brand new to this. What exactly is
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a pendulum?
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Oh, A pendulum is just a small way to attach
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to us fred or chain which can reveal all sorts
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of information. It's just we can to be say see
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me or is it radio? As far as I'm concerned,
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Oh yeah, yeah, I've gone, I've got I've got a
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select a select a select Ah. There it is, and
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it's suspended from your hand and will you can ask
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questions and it will respond respond to them. So it's
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just a device that's been used for thousands of years.
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Actually the first recorded mention of it goes back to
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Roman times, So I've been around for thousands of years.
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While we'll GUIDs you into pendulum work, if I may ask.
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Well, I've always been involved because my mother, whenever someone
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in the family got pregnant, she'd attached a thread to
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a wedding ring and hold it up to say if
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the unborn baby was going to be a boy or
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a girl, and normally correct, not one hundred percent, but
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she was normally correct. So I grew up thinking of
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it as a perfectly normal thing that everyone used. I had.
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I've got quite a shock, and I've discovered that most
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people have never even heard of it, right, yeah.
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I mean most people that aren't in our circle probably wouldn't.
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Yes, well, why do you think you said? That's been
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a bround for thousands of years?
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Now?
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Why do you think pendulums have remained such a popular
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spiritual tool even today.
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I think it's popular because it's probably the easiest of
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these psychic tools that you could possibly have to here
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or anything. Can be suspended from a bit of thread
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or chain and used, so you can use to make
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one impromptu any time you need one, so it's always available.
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I actually wear one around my neck, so I've got
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one with me everywhere I go, so I may not
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use it for weeks, but then I might use it
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three times one day. So it's just something useful that
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I have with me all the time, and I use
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it to get people interested in psychic matters as well.
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If the subject comes up I know nothing about it,
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I will give them a pendulum to hold and show
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them how to use it, so it's useful net regard
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as well.
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No, No, I mean I've I've dabbled with pendulum, so
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I kind of know the basics. But how does someone
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know whether they're really getting guidance or just movement?
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Can you hear me?
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Okay?
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Now I'm sorry it's just coming to take that one.
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Then, yeah, can you hear me?
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Oh you hear them?
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I heard just then.
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Okay. How does someone know whether they're getting guidance from
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a pendulum or influence to the movement themselves.
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I think it's fairly obvious when you're holding a pendulum,
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whether you're actually making the movements happen, or whether they're happening,
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whether they're happening, regardless of what you're doing, if you're
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holding it, is still as possible and asked me the
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question and the pendulum responds, then I know it's coming
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from some other source other than me. It might be
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coming from the higher self, it might be coming from
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something beyond that. I'm getting an answer.
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Okay, So, speaking of like spirit communication or whatnot, Like,
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is pendulum work more about intuition the sub conscious mind,
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or is it strictly kind of spirit communication or are
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the above?
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Maybe I think it's all of the above, because if
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you're looking for water, you're not necessarily wanting divine guidance,
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so you just want to find water. But if you're
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wanting to communicate with angels or your spirit guide, I
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think it's a lot of people just use it as
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a practical tool. When we had a break in our
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water line property we own some year yars ago, the
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guy who came to fix it used it, used water divining,
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used two metal rods, and when they when they crossed
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each other, I knew where the fault was. So he
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was just using it as a tool, and he had
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no interest in using it for any other purpose whatsoever,
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whereas I'm interested in using it for all sorts of
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different things.
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Well, it's interesting because I mean dowsing rods have been
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used for centuries as well, but it's fascinating that the
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pendulum can do the same thing.
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It can. Yes, and I used both, And it depends
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what I'm doing. If I if I'm walking, I was
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walking somewhere wanting to find water, I would I would
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use dowsing rods or a fault or a folk stick.
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But if I'm doing map dowsing, which is dowsing using
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a map, I would use a pendulum. And if I
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was wanting to determine whether a drink or certain food
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is good for me to have, I would just hold
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them pendulum over and ask that question. So it us
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pendulum in that case, and I often just use body
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dowsing as well, which is another way of doing it
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where you're just using your body. So if I'm in
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a bookshop and there are two books I want to buy,
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but have only got enough money on me to buy one,
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it can be embarrassing for my family, Not for me,
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but for my family if I produce a dowving. So
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I booked one book on each side, close my eyes
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and say which one should I buy, and I will
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tend to lean towards whichever one attaches. And some people
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do hand hand trembling. That's how Iri Gallo dowsers. They're
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known as some hand tremblers. And their their hands were
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shake more and more violently as they get open whatever
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it is their housing for a number of woids of
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doing it.
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That's pretty wild. Mm hmmm. Well, so for a beginner
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like first of all, a lot of pendulum work, at
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least the basics and pendulum work is the idea of yes,
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no and maybe responses. What's the best way for a
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beginner to establish their yes, no and maybe responses?
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There are there are two answers to that. Okay, I
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can give can I give both separately? Now? As the
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money the one I try and get people to do
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is to just suspend, suspend opinion thingsland and and ideally
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with an elbow on the table, their feet apart and
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holding this and there usually in their dominant hand at
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least to begin with. And then that they just say, well,
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which way indicates yes? And the pensulum well, hopefully move.
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It will move very very slightly if they've never used
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it before, but it will move. Then I asked them
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for no, and then I don't know, and I don't
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want to answer because it can go clockwise or counterclockwise
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as well. If that that doesn't work right away, I
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will hold hold it, just rest my arm. I have
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my hand on their shoulder off the hand which is
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holding the pendulum, and normally that gets it moving. If
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someone who can use a pendulum does that to someone
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who hasn't, that will normally get it then started. If
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that doesn't work after about five months of practice, a
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very very interesting way is to use an AA battery
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and ask them just to suspend the pair the pendulum
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over the positive end of the battery, and the pendulum
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will normally give what will be their positive answer response.
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Then they hold it to the bottom at the negative
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end and it'll gives the negative response, and that works
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every time. The only problem is it's not that's not
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one hundred percent. Normally it'll give the positive a negative response,
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but it may not be the correct one, but at
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least it will get the pensrum moving, which is all
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we want to have happen initially. Once they've got it moving,
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so good way is just to get to ask them
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to play with it, make it, make it go backwards
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and forwards, from side to side, round and round, you know,
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just so they get used to its movements, and then
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it's normally fairly eximple. I've yet to find someone who
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cannot use a pendiluine. Some people can do it right away,
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some people it might take a few five minute sessions.
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I used to have a psychic school and we used
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to teach the pendulum as one of the classes, and everyone,
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without exception was able to use a pendulum, usually very quickly.
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But of course at a psychic development score. I got
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people who are interested in the subject in the first place.
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When I'm out and about in the community and I'm
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offering to show it to someone, they may never have
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heard of it, have no interest really whatsoever, and then
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they'll be quite shocked when it suddenly responds to these requests.
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No, now, I mean the pendulum has been a speculative
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thing in paranormal investigations for quite a few years. Now,
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is there a way to say, like, would you use
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that as a piece of evidence in a paranormal investigation
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or is it more for like, uh, psychic readings and
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stuff like that.
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No, but I would think i'd use it as evidence.
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Okay.
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I mean if I was exploring a house, I was
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wanting to find the industries there or something like that. Yes,
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so we would use a pendulum for that.
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Now, yeah, do you even give me the number of
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entities from the room? If you using a pendulum more
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as much detail as you want.
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Would you be able to ask how many entities are
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in the room with the pendulum to get answers?
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Yes, I would say there are there are there lists
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and five and if it says so, if I get
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the no response with the yes response, I'll go on
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and on it get close and then get the exact
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number of you want it.
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Okay? It would it probably be just as easy to
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like if you were to, you know, have a sheet
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of paper and write a list of numbers and then
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hold the pendulum over in a circle.
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Right, different, definitely wild?
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So are sorry? Are there any questions that people should
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really consider avoiding asking the pendulum? Yeah?
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Yes, yes there are. Okay, if if the answer relates
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to you person personally, and you've got an involvement in
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the outcome, isn't better to have someone else to hold
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the pendulum and ask the question for you? For instance,
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if woman is pregnant and it's desperately hoping it'll be
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a boy's sake and that the pin will be a
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book the pin, and we'll give it the hair kip
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of the answer she wants, and the ret might be correct.
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It's not emotionally involved and more likely to get a
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correct answer.
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So it's very similar.
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Even in like tarot card reading, where a lot of
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people maybe shouldn't do their own reading is because their
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own intuition or personal feelings toward a certain subject matter
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might guide them to an answer that they're looking for
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versus what the truth is.
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Yes, yes, exactly, exactly, Okay, it doesn't stop me readingmand.
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Doesn't stop any of us. I do, I mean, I
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do that. We're like I'll read my own cards and
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then I'll take a photo of them and send them
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to Justin and then get his reading and see how
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they relate or how they differ.
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You're very foresa, that's great.
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And typically and I do the same with him, and
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typically the answers are completely for what we interpreted compared
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to what the other person does.
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Yes, the situational awareness is very It's intriguing when it
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comes to divination because like a lot of us are
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so involved in ourselves and things that we're doing on
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a daily basis. We want startin outcomes, and so yeah,
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would make sense that we naturally rather what we mean
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to or not gravitate toward information that would benefit us
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versus you know, Like for myself, I am one of
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the type of people who typically doesn't go to a psychic,
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who doesn't have someone else d by cards because I
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don't always want to know the answer. I get nervous
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about it. I get a little weary, like I don't
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I don't want to know these things. But I'll do
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like these weekly readings with you know, where I'll draw
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one card, movie two cards, like.
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Well where am I? What do I do?
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What's my next step in life?
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You know?
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Or this week or whatever.
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And sometimes it's just you know, it's like this card
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makes no sense, like I got the hanging mane. Why,
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Like I don't feel like I'm stuck in anything. I
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don't feel like you know, So I have to send
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it off to Justin or somebody else, and it's you
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when you get someone else to to to interpret these things,
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it's like, oh, it's eye opening, right, It's it's very
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therapeutic in a sense because it gives you situational awareness
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that you weren't yourself aware of in the time.
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I mean even house nicknig stuff, like people around you
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will see things completely different compared to what you're seeing.
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So it's it seems very much the same in our
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community as well.
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It is exactly exactly the same. I like the fact
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that three or four people can provide three or four
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different readings from the same gods. Yeah, and it'll work
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for everyone. Yeah, that's that's a fascinating thing about it.
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It woks.
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Your book talks about exercises for chakras, love pets, past lives,
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even future trends. What have you had readers say that
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they were surprised by a certain exercise compared to others.
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No, I haven't. Unfortunately, no, I haven't.
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I mean that's why. But uh, and again, like you
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had mentioned earlier, I mean a lot of people even
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reading the book would question like, first off, what is
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a pendulum? And secondly am I even getting answers from
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from the pendulum? So I mean it makes sense why
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people wouldn't necessarily be surprised by anything either.
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Yes, and find it's based of people ask questions and
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which I know the answers to and the pendulum gives
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the right response. But then they started asking that questions
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that they don't know the answer to, but they can
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easily check check afterwards, and the pension still gives some
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of the correct answers. I think that is a convincer
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as far as most people are concerned.
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Okay, I don't.
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I don't want people living their life for the pension. Though.
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I remember one class I gave. It was a daytime
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class in a community center, and at lunchtime I went
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across to the the shopping mall which was nearby, and
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half of my class were in the vegetable place holding
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their pendulums over over cucumbers and carrots and things. To
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see it, I think it's taking out a little bit
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too far.
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That's pretty interesting. I'm so, I mean, I don't. I don't.
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I haven't used a pendulum, and it's not in a
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long time. But on the type of the lake you
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were saying earlier, choosing between two books, you'd use your pendulum,
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whereas I'm the type is like okay, any meaning miney
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mo right? Which one is going to catch a tiger
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by the toe. It's like moving super fast back and
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forth because like it's predictable. Of course, you know if
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you start at any on one, you know you're gonna
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where you're gonna end. So it's like you got to
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move fast and you know your finger has some faster
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than your words in order to get that right into
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I don't know, it's weird. It's it's very funny that
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that people would use the pendulum to like pick up
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groceries are the right carrots?
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It's wild.
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On bookstores.
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I'll not do that with the pendulum, but I'll end
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up on buzz books anyway next time.
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Well, and you mentioned body pendulum work or predictive work,
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and I am very much that way, where I can
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hover my hand over something that prime example crystals and say, yes,
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this is the one I need or somebody else needs.
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And I'll go back and forth through a couple of
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different ones, and my mind is still saying, this particular
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one is the one we need.
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Yes, Yes, and you're proved, proved, right, I would imagine every.
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Time, Yeah, very much so. So with a pendulum, I mean,
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obviously it's just a tool, but basically it's an extension
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of your already UH given gifts.
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Correct it is, let's say, it's an extension of our
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central nervous system. Unfortunately, well it's just three inches too short,
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our central nervous systems of the tension for bolt, just
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a a few inches we need.
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You're muted, Eric, I see that.
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Thank you. I appreciate that. I do ask so many
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times through at the shows. It's crazy with Richard, how
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can pendulum work help someone sharpen their own intuition?
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Yes, that's insing question because the problem where a lot
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of people used to the pendulum is rather than trusting
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their own intuition, they just they trust the pendulum, so
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they're not using it to develop their own intuition. They're
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using it just to become better and better at the pendulum.
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I like people to just use their intuition rather than
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using anything else. A plan to develop that as well.
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So I would say that you could develop those similar
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together but as separate things, but do them at different
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times for different things. I think. I guess if you're
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trying to ensure it something, you could do it using
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straight intuition and then do it again, ask the same
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question again with the pendulum. But then then you've got
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then you've got the problem of having a vested interest
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in there what the pendulum says, well, say right, not
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necessarily be a good idea.
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Right, And that's that's that's going to be a follow
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up question is like if someone were say some where,
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we're using it to build their intuition, basically meaning they
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have an idea of what they what they want in
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an answer that they're looking for or not that they want.
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They just intuitively think, oh, this is going to be answer,
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and then they let the pendulum do the work, and
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it turns out the pendulum, you know, answers the question
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exactly that they thought it would, so their intuition is building.
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It would eventually be a point where someone could just
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entirely focus on their intuition and no longer need the
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pendulum as a resource, and then vice versa, people would
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not be in tuned to their own intuition. Instead would
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just focus on the tool and let it do all
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of the work, which maybe I don't know. I mean,
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we talk about vibrational frequencies on people who build intuition
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and rise right, and by focusing entirely on the tool,
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you kind of lower your vibrational frequency a little bit
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because you're not expanding your intuitive and spiritual abilities.
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That's true, you're using a pension as a crutch.
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But if you use the pendulum as like kind of
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a confirmation, that would be okay, right.
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Yes, And in fact, if I'm doing a terror card
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reading for some for someone, I will sometimes use it
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as a confirmation. I live a pendulum nearby and a
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car particularly card comes up, and I think that must
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indicate this, and I would just hold the pends of
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that pendulum up. Say, I don't even need to say
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it out loud to the so the client can hear it,
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but I probably would, but I could just think it
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and the pendulum will respond.
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Right. But I'm gonna come up with another side note here,
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because I mean, if you do that like totally understandable,
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like I would do that like crazy. But if you
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do that, you're still using it as a type of
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a crutch, because now you're putting allowing doubt into your
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own intuitive understanding of the cards, right, I mean, to
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an extent.
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Yes, but I'm doing it partly from press the client because.
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Fair enough, okay, fair enough, that makes sense. You got
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me there?
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Now, I do this all the time. I put something
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down and it's literally two seconds later, and I can't
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remember where I put it? Can you use a pendulum
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to locate objects that you you've misplaced?
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Most differently? In fact, when my children are growing up,
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they just be a real nuisance because they wouldn't look
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for them they lost.
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They will us be.
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So yes, yes, yes you can. And losing khakis is
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a very common one, for instance, and you can have
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to pinge on have the keys inside the house. And
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it's very helpful to know because then you've got a
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particular area to search from the room to room. But
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if it says no, then you've got to think for
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other things. You say, is it did you leave some
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of the car? And and uh, you can't find You
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can find lost lost objects, yes, And then the same
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when you're looking for water, or you're looking for oil
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or looking for gold, you are looking for something that
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is lost to you, you find where it is.
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That's fair.
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It's actually funny like that. Justin brought up that question
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because earlier talking about uh, who's the word where you're
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using your body kind of like a pendulum.
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Uh.
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When I was a kid and I didn't know what
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I was doing, I'll just I'll just goo for an
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off right, I would always do this in the shopping
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stores and the grocery stores or what. Whenever me and
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my sisters or myself would lose one of our parents
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and we go looking for them, I would do this
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silly thing where I put these little fingers on my
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head and pretend they're antennas, and I would be beatpatpep
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pep and try to find them and let my fingers
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dictate which way I go, And almost pretty much every
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single time, I'd end up finding my parents very quickly.
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And it's like it just clicked now, like I was
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doing that when I was a kid, and even realized
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that I was doing that using my own body to
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find Yeah, that's wild.
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That was a sided.
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I'm sorry, that's crazy.
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And as a kid, we're close to you, we're closer
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to the spirit world as a kid, and we don't
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have all of these adult problems that cloud our judgment too.
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Yeah. Yeah, it probably weird now as an adult to
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go around doing that, though, right, put little a tennis
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on my head and go be pepe if around words
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were you, let me find this object. People around the
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world are doing weirder things than using their fingers in
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his antenna.
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Yeo'm going down the throat, that crowded.
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Part right away from me. Well, so when it comes
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to dowsing, uh work, how or what role does intention
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play in the matter.
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Oh, it's very very important you. It's available tool and
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it shouldn't be played with. And lots of people, Oh,
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they asked flippant, stupid questions, and the pensulum will will
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actually I refuse to answer, will give them a silly response.
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And the pension can also make a sort of vibration
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which which freaks people out the first time it happens.
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And it always happens when they ask a flippant, flippant question.
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So the pendulum doesn't doesn't like that. Okay, I'm sorry
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that the amount, I'm not sure what the.
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Never never never provoke everybody, that's the guiding rule here.
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Don't provoke. Yes, Well, so.
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That's sorry, justin because I know your question might change
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the subject a little bit. But in that sense, like're
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talking about provoking or like if the pendulum doesn't like
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the answer, then we're talking about the pendulum having almost
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its own energy source that we're working with, right, It's
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I mean, we I know we here on parachiets we've
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talked about how the spirit whatever that is to anybody,
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you know, exists throughout anything and everything. And I think
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a lot of people think of this pencil as being
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just in uh, you know, a tool that has no
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spiritual manifestation whatsoever within it, no energy, nothing, is just
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an ananimate object.
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But it goes beyond that. Yes, well, a terra cat
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it's just an inanimate object as well. Right, it's right, right,
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that's what you put in good.
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But now we've talked about this quite a bit, especially
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this year, is you know, protecting yourself energetically? What do
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you do before your pendulum or even any type of
488
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readings to protect yourself energetically.
489
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I just surround myself with with white light. I feel
490
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I've filled myself up with white light and then it
491
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explodes and forms a big bubble around basically, And I
492
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.400
do that whenever i'm I mean with negative people, because
493
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:38.839
we pick up, well, we pick up things from everyone
494
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.720
everywhere we go. I wanted to get rid of negativity
495
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.119
as quickly as possible. I go, I go through an
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exercise of brushing, brushing myself off on with nega too
497
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:51.759
much negativity.
498
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.279
So I need to start doing that, I said, I
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00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.920
need to start doing that. Because I'm very much an
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and paths, so I pick up on people's stuff way
501
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too much than I should be.
502
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:10.279
Yes, yes, And if you're doing readings at the end
503
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of the day, you can be totally drained. Unlet you
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00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.440
release negativity, and you've got to do something between it,
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between each each one. For some years I used to
506
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do palm readings in shopping walls and at the end
507
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of the day I was drained because there was no
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way for me to do anything in between, because I
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00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:32.839
was sitting in the middle of the mall at the
510
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table and there was a line of people waiting to
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00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:36.160
have a reading.51200:30:36.200 --> 00:30:36.319
One.51300:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.319
It was fantastic. This is going back. This is the51400:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.599
nineteen eighties, and in New Zealand, fortune telling was illegal51500:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.319
and the only way I got around it was by51600:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.160
giving free palm readings to everyone who bought a little51700:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.880
book that I'd written, so people got a free reading.51800:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.799
And because people weren't able to get readings, well they're51900:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.880
obviously people doing readings. That it was all hush hash52000:31:03.960 --> 00:31:09.640
and very secret that I was hugely in demand, and52100:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.640
I read more than one hundred pounds every day, little52200:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.599
five minute readings. Well after doing that for a week,52300:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.440
in a shopping mall. After doing the first week, I thought, Oh,52400:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.200
I'm going to become a millionaire. This is going to52500:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.359
be I found that I just couldn't do a week52600:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.599
after week after week after week. It was just as52700:31:27.680 --> 00:31:28.880
to draining.52800:31:29.599 --> 00:31:36.079
Yeah, well, how does something like negative energy effect pendulum52900:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.640
or dosing readings.53000:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.480
If it does, you can't have any negativity around you.53100:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.359
But before you start, you've got to ask, may I53200:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.079
can I should I know? For the reading? You know?53300:31:51.319 --> 00:31:51.519
Sure?53400:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.319
May I? May I? May I dowse this particular question?53500:31:54.559 --> 00:31:59.519
Should I do this particular question? And if you get53600:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.440
a negative so there's a pingsion gives a nickeadive answer,53700:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.319
would pay not to do it? Gotcha?53800:32:08.200 --> 00:32:14.720
Now, all of this is fascinating me because I've I've53900:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.440
worked with the pendulum and I did not really get54000:32:18.079 --> 00:32:24.160
results like I was I was really wanting. And this54100:32:24.359 --> 00:32:31.519
was outside of paranormal investigations and stuff like that. What54200:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.400
would you say to skeptics who think pendulum movement is54300:32:35.519 --> 00:32:42.039
only the idometry effect, or even you know, just themselves.54400:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.559
Just like a Ouiji board, people always say, oh, you're54500:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.200
you're moving it, You're moving it. What would you say54600:32:47.200 --> 00:32:48.640
to the skeptics about that.54700:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.400
I prefer not to deal with the skeptics at all.54800:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.799
Actually I completely get.54900:32:57.400 --> 00:33:02.200
But but I I just asked him to suspend this belief.55000:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.839
And one way to do that is to give them55100:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.680
half a glass of whiskey and get them to drink55200:33:08.720 --> 00:33:13.039
that and then to try the punishment. And that seems55300:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.799
to soften everything up. I don't know whether it's a55400:33:14.799 --> 00:33:15.480
whiskey or.55500:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.599
I mean, it could be calming of the nerves where55600:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.519
you wouldn't be doing random shakes or anything that makes sense.55700:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.759
Yes, yes, yes. When I was doing readings, i'd often get,55800:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.720
particularly in shopping balls i'd offer. I'd often get the55900:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.680
woman wanted the reading and her husband or a partner56000:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.160
was there and was very skeptical about the whole the56100:33:40.160 --> 00:33:42.720
whole thing, and that that would sort of ruin it56200:33:42.799 --> 00:33:49.039
for every everyone, because the skepticisms would we're just inculcate56300:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.000
and get to get into everything. Yes, and they don't56400:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.519
like her, that is parasite. Yes, And they don't like56500:33:56.680 --> 00:34:01.319
being told to go away. Well, I get the wife56600:34:01.359 --> 00:34:01.920
to tell on that.56700:34:03.640 --> 00:34:03.839
Well.56800:34:03.839 --> 00:34:08.559
And there's nothing wrong with healthy, healthy skepticism, but pro56900:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.440
pooing everything, yeah.57000:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.519
Yes, yes, yes, I want people to be open minded.57100:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.840
I don't want them to wholeheartedly believe in absolutely everything, right,57200:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.119
got to make their own mind up and investigate that.57300:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.039
Skeptics generally are closed minded. They've just been they believe this,57400:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.440
and nothing's going to change.57500:34:27.639 --> 00:34:28.800
Right right.57600:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.000
I think that's the hardest part with with this community57700:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.800
in general, the paranormal the metaphysical community, is we do57800:34:36.880 --> 00:34:38.599
have people who come in who've already made up their57900:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.119
mind on every subject matter, and so you can't really58000:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.039
have a true conversation because just it's just a back58100:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.159
and forth butting heads. They're always wrong, you're always right58200:34:48.320 --> 00:34:52.679
this that. And within this particular community especially and I58300:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.039
think any any community for that matter, it's important to58400:34:56.079 --> 00:34:58.760
be over open minded because it's how we learn as58500:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.920
human beings and how we grow as individuals. It doesn't58600:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.760
mean you have to accept the belief. It doesn't mean58700:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.280
you have to trust the pendulum or believe that it58800:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.719
even works. But understanding how it works or why people58900:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.519
think it does, I think that's important too.59000:35:11.920 --> 00:35:17.679
Yes's agree with that, Yes, But fortunately meet too many59100:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.480
skeptical people nowadays. But of course I'm mainly making my59200:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.840
living as a writer and it's I'm not going out59300:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.159
there and kicking classes or doing a walking very much anymore.59400:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.840
So I don't know if times have changed that were59500:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.360
becoming more isolated.59600:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.199
Well these days, I mean there is a lot less59700:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.719
skepticism compared to years ago, where you didn't talk about59800:35:42.719 --> 00:35:43.639
this type of stuff.59900:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.519
So when I when I was growing up, I never60000:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.880
never spoke about it. Right, I'm not very interested in60100:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.639
psychic things. And my father was a doctor and it60200:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.079
would have been terrible for him and his his business.60300:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.960
The costing patience of people knew my mother was yeah,60400:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.079
even playing the terror cards and the pendulum. And at60500:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.199
school I went to a church church school, and all60600:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.360
of that was evil I saw. We used to go60700:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.079
to inst the chapel once that once a week, and60800:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.480
I always used to seat myself so I could see60900:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.440
the organist because when he was playing, to get lost61000:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.360
in the music, and the beautiful colors would come emanate61100:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.760
from him. And never saw them come out of the61200:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.480
minute of the chaplain. The minister never saw, but the61300:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.480
organist did it. And one day I was stupen up61400:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.360
to save to the boy next to me, look at61500:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.239
the beautiful colors. It made fun of me up to61600:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.719
its So I don't you don't talk about that. You61700:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.360
didn't talk about these things.61800:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.760
Right well, And I bring this up a couple of times.61900:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.239
I've brought a couple of times on the show. So Mom,62000:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.480
I'm sorry, I'm not thinking on you. But when I62100:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.039
was younger, I was going through a lot of depression62200:36:56.239 --> 00:37:00.840
and I was going through some suicidal thoughts and I62300:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.519
went to a psychiatrist and they gave us this, gave62400:37:03.559 --> 00:37:05.639
me this questionnaire to fill out, and one of them62500:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.519
was do you see people that aren't there? And I62600:37:09.559 --> 00:37:13.400
had seen a woman and this happened more than once,62700:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.440
but it was this memory in particular that I was remembering.62800:37:17.719 --> 00:37:23.639
I saw a woman that was in sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth62900:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.599
century garb just walking down the street and I remember that.63000:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.679
So I checked yes, and my mom was like, you63100:37:31.719 --> 00:37:36.559
can't say that. I'm like, but I did, and she's like, yes,63200:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.519
but they're gonna think you're crazy. You can't say that.63300:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.039
You can't put that on there. So of course I63400:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.639
erase it and put no. But even when I was younger,63500:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.360
it was one of those things you can't admit to63600:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.480
otherwise people are going to think you're dots.63700:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.320
Yes, yes, that's right. You'd have to be careful even63800:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.760
not as with that question of it. Oh yeah, loaded Christion,63900:37:58.440 --> 00:38:04.239
Right yeah, act question shouldn't be asked, should it? Because64000:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.880
it can be with different ways.64100:38:08.480 --> 00:38:10.719
Depending on who you're working with and who's asking it.64200:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.119
That could be all ways, especially when it comes back64300:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.519
to the whole closed mindedness and with one person's believes.64400:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.280
Argue was like, how many times we talked to you64500:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.320
to someone in psychology, you know, who think that a64600:38:24.360 --> 00:38:27.519
lot of this seeing dose or you're believing in the64700:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.360
paranormal is just all mental. We see it because there's64800:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.159
something happening within our minds and the physical aspect of64900:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.079
it is real. But then we talk to selone spiritual65000:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.400
who's like, yes, it is very much what you're seeing65100:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.239
is true when weal these ghosts to exist. And you've65200:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.719
got two very different sides of the perspective. What is65300:38:46.719 --> 00:38:48.599
the spectrum?65400:38:48.760 --> 00:38:49.079
Yeah?65500:38:49.880 --> 00:38:51.480
And it's like, okay, well, which do I believe?65600:38:51.559 --> 00:38:52.119
Is it?65700:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.800
The science behind the health writer who's saying like, what65800:38:55.840 --> 00:38:57.719
I'm seeing is just on my head or the one65900:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.440
who's saying, no, this is a real thing that exists,66000:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.920
and you're seeing something that is actually there, and it's like, okay,66100:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.320
well this is is crazy in today's world, the cost66200:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.039
be pulled in all these different directions, and I guess66300:39:11.039 --> 00:39:12.760
it makes sense why we all fall into these little66400:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.320
communities together right where we're like minded communities where people66500:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.760
believe similar things. Uh, maybe not everything, but there's a66600:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.119
lot of agreements or things that were like, you know,66700:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.159
we could talk about this stuff and not be like, oh,66800:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.760
bash bash bash. You know, it's like, Okay, I believe66900:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.920
what you I believe what you're what you're speaking of,67000:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.199
or what you're seeing or what you're doing. You know,67100:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.840
maybe it's not for me, but it makes sense.67200:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.840
Yes, yes, hopefully yes.67300:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.639
Now you you had mentioned, you know, like you had67400:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.639
mentioned the kind of as a joke because you're you've67500:39:46.679 --> 00:39:48.880
authored so many books and you're writing all the time,67600:39:48.920 --> 00:39:50.679
you don't really get out and see all these negative67700:39:50.719 --> 00:39:55.719
people who are the haters if you will. But with67800:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.480
was it one hundred and seventy some odd books that67900:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.760
you've written so far, is that correct? YEA work is68000:40:01.800 --> 00:40:06.000
pulling you back to this, to the ideas of like mind,68100:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.519
body or spirit topics.68200:40:12.480 --> 00:40:17.119
I've always been interested in those things. When I was68300:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.719
nine years old, we moved house and there was a68400:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.119
woman up the road from us who was a wonderful cook,68500:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.000
and I made friends with her and used to go68600:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.639
up to their place and eat her cakes and things.68700:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.920
And one day I was sitting in the they had68800:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.079
a library. I'd never been the house that had a library,68900:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.000
so that was that was exciting, and I noticed books69000:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.400
relating to palm mystery, and I asked what it was,69100:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.679
and her husband was doing palm reading secretly because it69200:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.119
was illegal, and he taught me a few things. And69300:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.599
I used to go to school and look at other69400:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.679
people's palms and it didn't mean anything much. It was69500:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.480
just a funny thing I did until puberty and I69600:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.719
discovered what girls were, and you know, as someone who69700:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.639
was very shy, I could mention palmistry and instant all69800:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.719
the girls in the room would be around me. So69900:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.679
they put arm humbers up and that's how I met70000:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.320
my wife, actually by reading it part and they put70100:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.760
a whole whole new stant on it, and I think70200:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.800
it sort of grew from there. Plus my mother was70300:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.719
always interested in the subject back back in those days70400:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.679
in New Zealand in the nineteen fifties and sixties, we70500:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.239
used to get a lot of English psychics visiting New70600:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.320
Zealand and that'd be hosted by different people around the country,70700:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.360
and my mother was one of them. So we had70800:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.000
the number of psychics coming through and my mother would70900:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.719
hold an evening and there'd be keen or twelve very excited,71000:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.360
very excited women waiting to get their reading. And I71100:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.400
was able to see some of those. So as I71200:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.599
sort of grew up with this this side of life71300:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.000
which I couldn't discuss or talk about with anyone, not71400:42:05.039 --> 00:42:10.159
even my friends. And in fact, when I left school71500:42:10.199 --> 00:42:16.599
I went into publishing. I worked with a man who71600:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.039
who I worked there for seven years. I worked with71700:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.320
him twenty years later. We met each other at a71800:42:24.840 --> 00:42:29.119
spiritual get together and we had no idea that either71900:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.400
of us were tall interested in any of these things72000:42:31.480 --> 00:42:33.880
because we couldn't talk about it. So there are a subject.72100:42:34.039 --> 00:42:39.480
Everything even occurred to us. Now there was something, But72200:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.000
I've always I've always been involved. I have tried to72300:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.280
get out of it. When I got got married, my72400:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.119
wife had this pleasant notion that I'd leave home at72500:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.119
eight thirty with a little briefcase and come back at72600:42:51.159 --> 00:42:57.679
five point thirty and be normal. But I've never been72700:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.239
normal and I could never been to do that. So72800:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.119
for a long time she told everyone was accompanied director72900:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.000
rather than Eric thumbs.73000:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.400
It's funny you say that, because Eric and I have73100:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.719
tried to get away from the paranormal at least multiple times,73200:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.000
and every time we're drawn straight back.73300:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.159
I have to yes. Once I set up an importing73400:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.840
business and one day I realized that I was importing73500:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.199
terror cats. We boards.73600:43:33.280 --> 00:43:40.079
You're looking for a sign news, It's it's it's crazy,73700:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.599
like how the paranormal, you know, it's like how it73800:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.760
gets a grasp on a lot of us, Like it73900:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.360
grabs hold and just hold on, doesn't let oh. And74000:43:48.760 --> 00:43:51.039
like Jessin said, we try to step away at least74100:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.599
three times, maybe four, and every time we find our74200:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.039
way right back. We've been podcasting about the paranormal for74300:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.960
eighteen years now, I don't know of on and off,74400:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.400
on and off, well, you know, and it's just like yeah,74500:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.599
and like early on like that, back in two thousand74600:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.920
and eight or so, when we started, nobody wanted to74700:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.400
talk about the paranormal, or they did, but they were were,74800:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.079
you know, nervous about it, and nobody knew what podcast74900:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.480
it was. I just had an interview today with the75000:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.000
with some producers from a TV show called Expedition Acts75100:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.840
on Discovery Channel, and I told them I've been produced75200:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.079
or doing a podcast for eighteen years. Like I didn't75300:44:28.079 --> 00:44:29.639
even know podcasts were around that long.75400:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.119
I was liked and we didn't know in two thousand75500:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.280
and eight, but it goes back to two thousand and six.75600:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.760
So yeah, it was like, oh, you know, it was75700:44:38.840 --> 00:44:39.599
very early on dying.75800:44:40.039 --> 00:44:44.880
Yeah, you know. So it's it's crazy to peak character.75900:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.280
Oh these years, like we look back on it, it's like, man,76000:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.840
I can't believe I spent eighteen years in my life76100:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.639
like in this kind of circle. Like I've always been interested.76200:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.599
It's never been you know, there there have been times76300:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.880
where gets a little boring here or there, and it's76400:44:56.960 --> 00:44:58.679
kind of the times we step away becaus like how76500:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.320
how much can we actually talk about before repeating the76600:45:02.360 --> 00:45:03.639
same thing over and over again.76700:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.400
Well, and the interest goes further back than the eighteen76800:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.039
years we've been podcasting.76900:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.199
For Well, we grew up with it for sure. Yeah,77000:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.360
you know, if there's a reason why we started podcasting,77100:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.920
But yeah, it's like every time we step away it's77200:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.679
like hold on, no, yeah, you're not done here, you77300:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.199
come back. We've got more to do, you know, more work.77400:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.960
So it's it's been a blast though, you know, and77500:45:25.039 --> 00:45:28.400
especially with this current modern iteration for the last year77600:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.679
and a half or so that we've been doing this show,77700:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.199
the amount of people that we met, you know, just77800:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.960
within Deer app it's just it's crazy, right, so many77900:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.519
individuals from so many walks of life, and there are78000:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.320
things more fascinating than we ever imagined just because of78100:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.400
the out branch that was handed out to us, you know,78200:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.960
it's like, oh, this is this is really cool.78300:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.400
And we've made very close friends in this community as well,78400:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.159
just doing just doing the podcasting alone, not mentioning the78500:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.679
paranoral investigations we've done and stuff like that too.78600:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.280
Wonderful.78700:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.079
So we've got a listener question. This is from our78800:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.039
parents with your group on Facebook. What is the most78900:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.119
revealing accurate pendum reading that has confirmed it's a tool79000:46:19.280 --> 00:46:24.880
you trust or has there been.79100:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.559
Any something Yes, it will have been a number, but79200:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.920
it's something I witnessed myself as that was up with79300:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.639
the questions. Yes, when I when I wrote my first79400:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.960
first book on dowsing. It was on dowsing rather than79500:46:40.000 --> 00:46:46.320
just a pnduin. I interviewed well known a well known79600:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.400
DAWs are in New Zealand and he took me out79700:46:51.480 --> 00:46:57.320
somewhere the countryside, somewhere and he's asked me what I79800:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.079
what I wanted to divine for and I saw I79900:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.920
said tin, because I thought that was a stupid thing80000:47:04.960 --> 00:47:10.119
to us, and he said, he said certainly, and he80100:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.199
put it. He was using rods. He put his rods80200:47:12.440 --> 00:47:16.079
rods off and he swung around in the circle. He said,80300:47:16.159 --> 00:47:18.679
Tin's over this way, and we went over over that80400:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.559
way and he got us the mat again and find80500:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.199
fine tuned it and we found tin. So so I80600:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.079
was very very impressed with that, because I didn't think80700:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.039
he'd find tin in the first place. I was going80800:47:33.079 --> 00:47:37.280
to ask for water, but mhm, you know, he made80900:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.360
his living as a water diviner. Other things I found impressive.81000:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.400
I lived in the UK for a couple of years81100:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.760
and I was living in Ornmore and there was a81200:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.920
man there who was a water diviner and he would81300:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.239
charge X number of X number of dollars or pounds81400:47:57.679 --> 00:48:02.360
to find water on people's farms, and he if he81500:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.960
failed failed to hit the right spot, he wouldn't get paid,81600:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.159
so and he had a nice I was a bodman81700:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.320
a town of about seven thousand people in those days,81800:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.039
and he had the grandest house in town. So he81900:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.400
was obviously getting paid, so he's obviously being successful in82000:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.320
doing it. So I think like that sort of sort82100:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.920
of interested for me. That's the fact that my mother82200:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.880
was normally right addicting the babies.82300:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.440
The women in our lives. That affect us, says Man.82400:48:34.159 --> 00:48:40.079
So absolutely, yes, that's posively the more the more psychic82500:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.719
the men. But I don't think that's necessarily the cape.82600:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.800
I think I said men and men have trained as82700:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.159
I grew up not to believe in these things.82800:48:48.760 --> 00:48:53.320
Oh yeah, and we're also made to think that we are,82900:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.400
you know, the priorate provider, the forager, stuff like that,83000:48:56.519 --> 00:49:01.639
and we are distracted compared to women who can hone83100:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.280
in on a little bit more. Yeah, absolute trying.83200:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.880
Yeah, yeah, I do find it's actually something that's come83300:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.480
up quite a few times now over the last few83400:49:11.480 --> 00:49:17.239
weeks where we've had interviews with various women and they83500:49:17.239 --> 00:49:19.480
tell us how great it is to see more men83600:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.280
out here talking about this kind of stuff, and you know,83700:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.719
not just the research, but actually doing the things too,83800:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.760
because we don't see that often in this community. It83900:49:28.920 --> 00:49:31.119
is very much women driven.84000:49:32.000 --> 00:49:32.199
You know.84100:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.960
I go to the local, you know, the stone shop,84200:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.760
gemstones and whatnot, you know, and there's you can say,84300:49:41.079 --> 00:49:47.079
it's okay, crystals, that's the word I was looking for, crystals, stones, crystals,84400:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.679
crystal shop. I mean they're technically all crystals. Yeah, they're84500:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.920
also all jumpstones, I think in my opinion, but.84600:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.719
I'm not good with words.84700:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.199
In case you didn't know that, Richard, if you haven't84800:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.679
figured that out. But yeah, you know, it's like a84900:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.599
lot of these businesses are run by women, and I85000:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.039
see it everywhere and here on the on the show.85100:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.639
You know, we've had so many people on, but probably85200:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.119
ninety percent or so of the people we have joined85300:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.519
us on the show are indeed women, which is this field.85400:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.119
So it's yeah, it's it's crazy. It's just that I85500:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.119
think women are just nationally more intuitive in general, you know,85600:50:24.159 --> 00:50:25.360
and they that's just.85700:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.559
How they're they're designed. Yeah, I would say, except for85800:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.719
like if you're talking cryptids and that side of things,85900:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.360
you're getting more men than what it or the other86000:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.760
side like psychics off Westcraft stuff like that. You're getting86100:50:39.199 --> 00:50:40.280
more more women.86200:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.400
Yeah. Yeah.86300:50:43.719 --> 00:50:48.920
So what do you hope Richard, that readers take away86400:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.480
from Llewellyn's Little Book of Pendulums?86500:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.440
Oh? I hope. I hope they take they learn a86600:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.800
skill that they can use. Oh if they are already86700:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.400
playing with the pendulum, because quite a few people are86800:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.519
given a pendulum and play with them for five minutes86900:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.679
and put it in a drawer, I would like them87000:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.800
to take it out and be able to make make87100:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.840
some use of it and hopefully then develop their psychic87200:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.119
skills on the tip. Whichever way is right is right87300:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.880
for them. You know, they might become mediums out there,87400:51:17.960 --> 00:51:19.760
they might come terra ca i'd readers. You know there87500:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.199
are all sorts of things you can do with it87600:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.400
or even use it and every day life.87700:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.800
Well you've inspired me because I do have a pendulum87800:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.679
here somewhere to start using it more. Because I've relied87900:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.199
on tarot cards. So if I can rely on tarot cards,88000:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.159
why can I not rely on a pendulum reading as well?88100:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.880
And so I absolutely appreciate you coming on today. Where88200:51:45.920 --> 00:51:50.960
can everybody find you? Find your work that makes all yours?88300:51:53.119 --> 00:51:56.239
I do have a website, but I'm afraid I'm a88400:51:56.239 --> 00:52:02.559
few yars. I ad they w I've written twenty or88500:52:02.559 --> 00:52:10.920
thirty books and signed, but I'm I'm on Facebook. On Facebook,88600:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.039
I've got a wiki Wikipedia page and I don't know88700:52:15.079 --> 00:52:16.679
who does it, but they know more about me than88800:52:16.719 --> 00:52:17.239
I do.88900:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.239
Because I wonder if we should be googling ourselves. Eric89000:52:23.079 --> 00:52:24.280
written written.89100:52:24.760 --> 00:52:31.199
Yeah, that's right. Well, sometimes a book is up on89200:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.239
Wikipedia before its actually appeared in the store. But I think, oh,89300:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.960
it's obviously someone in my publisher's office.89400:52:38.840 --> 00:52:41.480
Right you would develope yeah, right, But.89500:52:41.400 --> 00:52:46.119
Then another I write books on different subjects and a89600:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.519
different book will pop up. I wrote, I wrote a89700:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.400
book on my family history and that was not even89800:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.639
sold in shops and stores, and that that appeared on Wikipedia,89900:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.119
and I thought, well, how on else could anyone know that?90000:52:59.760 --> 00:53:04.800
So it's complete must free to me. But if I90100:53:04.840 --> 00:53:11.079
want to know anything about myself, I've probably gone Wikipedia.90200:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.199
All right, Richard, Well, thank you so much for being90300:53:14.360 --> 00:53:15.719
on Paratruth you be born.90400:53:16.679 --> 00:53:18.679
Thank you very much. I'm joined it very much. Thank90500:53:18.679 --> 00:53:20.039
you very much. That's makee.90600:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.280
All right good everybody, so as is our lately, our90700:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.840
kind of normal closing here is we have a poll90800:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.679
result up that we would like to share, So we90900:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.440
asked ot that we're getting results is awesome. So we91000:53:35.480 --> 00:53:39.360
asked our Paratruther, our community group, have you ever used91100:53:39.400 --> 00:53:43.519
a pendulum? Well, twenty five percent said yes and it works,91200:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.480
fifty percent said yes, but I'm sure if it works,91300:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.079
and another twenty five percent said no, they haven't, but91400:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.079
they are curious in learning how to use the bit91500:53:54.119 --> 00:53:56.599
whether or not they work. So I hope that this91600:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.239
show inspired you to maybe check it out, give it91700:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.280
a try, and learn something, and definitely obviously get the book,91800:54:02.280 --> 00:54:04.119
because how else are you gonna learn, right, You gotta91900:54:04.199 --> 00:54:05.440
you gotta read Richard's book.92000:54:05.880 --> 00:54:07.800
I will admit I was the one one of the92100:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.639
ones that said yes, but unsure if it works, but92200:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.760
after talking to Richard, I'm absolutely inspired to try it again.92300:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.239
So yeah, all right, so everybody, it is time to92400:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.519
round out the show here, So until next week, y'all,92500:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.559
where you'll find us on the same time, at the92600:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.679
same time, on the same channel. My name is Eric92700:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.039
and I'm justin peace.
