March 11, 2026

Saint, Sorcerer, or Symbol? The Hidden Mysticism of St. Patrick

St. Patrick’s Day isn’t just green beer and shamrocks. It’s a story of slavery, visions, druids, spiritual warfare, and the myth of driving the “snakes” from Ireland. But what really happened? In this special one-off episode, we explore the man...

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St. Patrick’s Day isn’t just green beer and shamrocks.

It’s a story of slavery, visions, druids, spiritual warfare, and the myth of driving the “snakes” from Ireland.

But what really happened?

In this special one-off episode, we explore the man behind the legend — separating fact from folklore — and examine whether St. Patrick was a missionary, mystic, political strategist… or something far more mysterious.

Were the snakes literal?
Did he confront pagan magicians?
Was Ireland’s conversion peaceful — or paranormal?

Let’s uncover the truth behind the shamrock.

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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn. We're talking about the men

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in history behind Saint Patrick. Welcome, Welcome, well do Paratruth Truth.

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What's up everybody, and welcome to Paratruth Reborn. Saint Patty's

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Day Special in particular, we're doing a little early here,

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one week early because we do have a guest next week.

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My name is Eric, and I'm Justin, and many of

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us celebrate Saint Patrick's Day around the world by going

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out to bars to have green beer and have corn

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beef then cabbage and all the wonderful fictions that come

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with celebrating Saint Patti's Day, whether you're into the big

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parties or if you're like Justin and I, you just

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got a chilling at home with the were you know,

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to each their own. But nonetheless, this has always been

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one of our favorite time of the year, and I

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think in part because it kind of ushers in spring,

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which means warm weathers around the corner and all the

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green is coming back.

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Well, and you know, with I don't know about everywhere,

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but in Ohio and in North Dakota the weather's been

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super weird, teasing us a little bit, and then it's

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hit with snow, tease a little bit and hit with snow,

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So this will be absolutely amazing if we're really that

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close to spring. But there's so much more to Saint

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Patrick's and Saint Patrick's state, you know, lore and myth

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and even history, so it's it's a lot more than

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what we're celebrating it for. Yeah, one hundred.

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But I think to really kick off this episode, it's

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probably best to really get into who exactly the real

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Saint Patrick is because there is a lot of myths

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surrounding his story, and in fact, there are some people,

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believe it or not, who claim he never even existed

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in the first place, that he's just a fictional character,

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which is kind of wild consistent considering that there is

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historical documentation. So with that said, most people think Saint

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Patrick himself was actually Irish, But is that true?

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Justin well, to go back to the whole saints thing

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real quick, I mean, there's the part of that is

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like there's so many saints, like Saint Valentine where there's

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a couple of different or even Saint Nicholas, where there's

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a couple of different guys that could have in it.

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But this was the only scene Patrick, of course, and there,

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like Eric said, there's documentation. He was not Irish, believe

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it or not. He was Roman British born around late

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fourth century. As a teenager, he was kidnapped by Irish

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raiders and enslaved in Ireland for about six years, which

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is just mind blowing to me. And if you look

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at you know how kidnappings happened today. You know they

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even go for much longer sometimes, So that was amazing

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that he was able to escape that. But during his

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captivity he claimed to experience intense religious visions. After escaping,

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he later returned to Ireland not as a slave, but

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as a missionary from the.

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Church, which is, you know, something that we kind of

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see over and over again within the Christian Church is

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these people who become enslaved and then you know, find

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their way to freedom and for some reason find a

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calling to go back to their original captors to preach

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the gospel itself. Now, there is some story that claimed

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that Patrick had had visions along with his teachings and

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his ministry.

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Is that true? According to his writings the Confessio, Yes,

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Patrick describes hearing the voice of God and dreams, experiencing

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guidance through visions. He believed divine messages instructed him to

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return to Ireland, which I mean again, you know, with

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a lot of the different saints and even in the Bible,

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you know, God leads people to these different areas, but

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you know, as saints or as missionaries, it was to

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bring the Word to the Pagans basically, and that kind

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of puts him. The fact that he had.

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These dreams and these callings here God's voice and would

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have these divine messages kind of puts some in this

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genre of mysticism as well, very similar to Mother Teresa,

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who also was considered a missicist, which you know when

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you dive into the definition, and I think a lot

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of people think, well, that doesn't make sense be a missicist,

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but you know this Christian person, you know, or who

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claimed to be a Christian person, Because they don't always.

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Go hand in hand.

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In modern descriptions of the two, a lot of people

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think misticism tends to be more new agy which it isn't. Actually,

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it's actually an ancient thing that accompanied a lot of

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God's people as well. But now one of the big

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stories when it comes to Saint Patrick was the story

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of how he drove all the snakes from Ireland.

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Did Saint Patrick.

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Literally banish snakes from Ireland or is there a little

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a little more to.

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The story or something we're missing? Absolutely not. He It's

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this drives me nuts because it's one of those things

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that you hear this, this legend, but Ireland never had

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snakes after that, the First or the Last Ice Age

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snakes that are widely interpreted as symbolic from the story. Uh,

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most scholars believe they represented pagan religion or Druidic practices.

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Even so, when the legend says he drove out the snakes,

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it's not literal. It is meant to be a symbolism

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of displacing Celtic paganism basically.

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I mean, and so you know, calling you know, in

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this case Celtic pagan snakes is is really just.

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Bashing Yeah, you know, and I mean the Church was

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kind of known for that back in the day, at

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least the legends and you know, the the symbolism behind

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these things.

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Yeah, you know, we we We've heard Christ or read

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Christ talk about snakes quite a few times throughout the

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New Testament, and he even talks to the Pharisees calling

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them a brute of vipers on multiple occasions. And these

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are people who you know, some could say, oh bottom dwellers,

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if you will. Or they slither on the ground and

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they eat dust on them, you know, because there's the

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thing on the belly, or they strike with fangs. You know,

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they're quick to just stick the venom in to somebody

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and let them rot.

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Leans that out. Well, it kind of goes back to

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the Bible though, to the snake in the garden and

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how it was somebody who not necessarily Lucifer. It could

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have been just somebody leading the the Adam and Eve

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away from God. So it could symbolize that as well

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them being satanic in the sense.

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And yeah, it could be satanic, could be I mean,

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it could be so many different things, you know, And

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I know there's been a lot of covers even you know,

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in the Christian now within I'm sorry, within the Christian Church,

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but also in particular within Christian education. You know, I

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got a associate's degree in religion and one of the

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things that we talked about was who exactly the serpent was.

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Because there's a number of different beliefs. Obviously, the most

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recognized belief is that it was indeed Satan, the angel

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of Heaven Lucifer, as he has mentioned in the Book

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of Isaiah, but also there is some suggestion that this

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was another angel or demonic like creature or entity form,

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just a straight up snake that had no spiritual connection whatsoever.

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There is historical evidence, archaeological records that proved that snakes

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did at one point have limbs and walked on feet.

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And so there's this story in the Old Testament right

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in the beginning of Genesis when after the serpent tricks

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adam an Ee into eating the fruit from the tree, uh,

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God basically curses him to slither on his belly takes away,

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and there's you know, there's a lot of controversy around

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that until we found this archological uh evidence, which is

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pretty crazy to think about. And yeah, it makes one.

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Right, And I mean, so it basically was kind of

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like a lizard, like a uh I can't even think

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of though, there's some really long lizards, but yeah, basically

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a lizard, and it got cursed to not have those

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legs anymore. Yeah.

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Well, and then on top of that, there's obviously a

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lot of discussion is too if this was just a

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regular snake, a regular serpent who is crafty. He apparently spoke,

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and so there was this I belief that animals at

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one point did speak in the early days before the fall.

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Whether or not. Adam and Eve just understood it just

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because they were at a direct just not to send it,

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but created straight from the Lord's breath. So well, now,

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when it.

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Comes to the Druids and Patrick driving them out, was

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there any real conflict with that or did take cod

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with peace?

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Yes, but not as bad as certain religion conflicts go

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early between Patrick and the Druids. Of course, some stories

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depict dramatic spiritual showdowns, curses, fire rituals, even contests of power,

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almost like a wizard battle. I guess you could say,

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not exactly, but that's what kind of visualization comes to me.

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But these stories read like less like peaceful conversation and

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more like a supernatural confrontation or a battle.

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Which again we you know, we we see a lot

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de scripture, So what it it would make sense that

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there would be this kind of belief behind it, Like

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it's it's interesting that there that that when it comes

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to Saint Patrick, there literally is a legend, you know,

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it's like a story upon story that formed itself into

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something that is just so out there and very movie like,

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when in reality doesn't work that way. But you know, a,

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I don't know, there were times maybe maybe I don't know,

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you had to be dick.

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Well, and that's that's the interesting thing.

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Is like.

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More like a supernatural confrontation. But a lot of the

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stories that you hear about stuff like this were like it,

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I'm just generically saying this, you know, a magical confrontation.

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You know, a lot of that stuff was dramatized, so

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this could absolutely have been the same thing.

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Well, and then on top of it, you know, it's like,

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I like to think of it this one. We don't

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we don't really know what happens in the spiritual world

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sure at any given time, and so when somebody using

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prayer or someone else is casting spells or whatever, like

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right on the surface, you know, it's like, oh, we

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just see people throwing hands back and forth, and it's

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like nothing's happening. But then if you were to go

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into the spiritual realm, maybe there's this whole light show

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happening for all we know, right, you know, and it

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is kind of what we see in the movies. At

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that case, we need carry pottery, right yet Baltimore and

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Harry Potter, who's blasting each other with bolts of electricity

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or magic and.

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Sometimes just force of of of magical force that you

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can't even see.

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So well, now, another big element to the Saint Patrick's story,

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of course, and to Saint Patty's day is the shamrock

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and the symbolism behind the shamrock. So how does the

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shamrock play into the story of Saint Patrick? And did

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he actually invent the shamrock as a symbol for the

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Holy Trinity.

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So there is no historical proof of this, but the

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legend says he used the three leaf clover to explain

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Christianity or I'm sorry, the Christian Trinity fathers on Holy

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spirit Interestingly, the number three was already a sacred number

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in Celtic spirituality, triple goddesses, triple spirals, triads. So was

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Patrick adapting Christian Christian theology to fit Celtic belief stems

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or strategically blending traditions. No real history there is to

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say for sure, but it has happened in multiple cultures

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where Christianity blends a lot of the other beliefs to

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help bring Pagans to Christianity.

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So right, and we do have some historical evidence that

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does support Saint Yeah, Saint Patrick combining the Christian cross

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with the Sun god of the Druige of Ireland and

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that's where you get the Celtic cross from, you know,

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the cross with the circle in the center of it. Yeah,

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so he did. There is evidence that he has used, uh,

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some of their original belief system and kind of meshed

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it with the Christian belief system to make at a

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patient easier for them to come to the Lord. Uh

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And like you said, you know, we do see that

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in our history a lot mm hmm.

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Well, now when it comes to back when it comes

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to converge, what the word converged converts? Yeah, but I

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was thinking of converting convert. Oh yeah, I'm thinking I'm

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like conversion conversion.

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That's not right. Eric's a little under the weather. So forgiven.

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When it could when it comes to converting Ireland, was

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it a peaceful conversion? How did uh and how did

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Patrick force conversion?

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to other areas of Europe, Ireland's conversion was relatively non violent.

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I mean, we we've talked about how he had supernatural

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con confrontations with the Druids, but uh, there's little archaeological

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evidence of wispread destruction of pay Insights in Ireland, which

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is why we probably still have like the the I

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lost what it is, the Stone che and there's plenty

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of other sites that were never destroyed. So instead of

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many sacred sites were actually repurposed in other words, churches

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being put on them or you know what have you.

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Now this suggests something fascinating. Christianity in Ireland may have

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merged with existing Celtic spirituality instead of completely erasing it altogether,

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which happened in other areas. Now, that blending is why

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Irish Christianity developed its own mystical flavor, as you mentioned

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the Celtic Cross. I do believe there's some magic involved

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with Irish Christianity, or at least not necessarily spells, but

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something along those lines.

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Well, now, when we talk about then like the idea

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of magical flavor, we got to start thinking a bit

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about the supernatural, and in this case, in particular, the

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supernatural claims behind Saint Patrick's story. Are there miracles first

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and foremost that had happened within Ireland during this time,

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and were those miracles directly attributed to Patrick himself.

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Yeah, there were a lot of them. Legends claim that

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he himself raised people from the dead, turned enemies to stone,

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lit a sacred fire that defied a pagan king. Now

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you do hear this from other saints or religious figures,

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but not as many as that were in the Bible,

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So now historically verifiable, No, of course not, because it

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could have been you know, fabricated, and he he just

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made up these stories to tell the Irish pagans so

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that it made him look more powerful, but culturally powerful. Absolutely,

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it made Patrick become less of us of a historical

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figure and kind of more of an archetype, which is

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probably why a lot of people believe that he might

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not have existed at all.

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And I would argue, like, I'm sure if these any

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of these are stories, that he didn't go out of

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his way to fabricate them himself, but instead of fabricated

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by the Druids who maybe witnessed something and either they

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didn't see it the way they thought they saw it,

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or I should say they saw it the way it

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didn't really happen that's really how legends are born, right,

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Like it's it's kind of like telephone. You tell a

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story and that story gets, you know, bigger and bigger

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when it comes to a legend, until it's a complete

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blatant lie. But like you said, there is no real

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historical factor and what exactly happened and what he was

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capable of doing. But we do know that there is

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some historical evidence about certain things throughout scripture that are

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defined as quote unquote miracles. So you know that alone

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kind of I find intriguing knowing that it is possible.

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We know that the Saints based on historical evidence and

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I don't say historical evidences and oh according to the

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Christian Church, but these are historical documentations by the Romans

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that are written in ancient books that basically cross with

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the Christian texts as being variable being true, Jesus turning

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water into wine, raising the dead, you know things like

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that that you know typically if it wasn't true, womans

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would have gone to the way to write it down.

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Did I will say that it would be really nice

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to have power to turn enemies, just don't don't do it.

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I mean, any powers would be fantastic in mind. I mean,

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I don't know how many times I fantasized about having

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a superpower. So yeah, oh for sure.

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So now was Patrick a saint, a strategist, or a

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spiritual warrior?

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Probably all three? You know. He was a you know,

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as we mentioned, former slave, a visionary mystic, a religious reformer.

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He brought a lot of reform to the church as

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well as to converting pagans. And a political operator in

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other words, a kind of sort of a politician in

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a sense back in those days. And whether you see

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him as divinely inspired or myth the mythologic, mythologized, wow hero,

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he reshaped an entire culture in Ireland.

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Which you know, we see time and time again throughout

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history and not just ancient history, even a modern history.

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We see this, you know, in terms of being becoming

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a mythical person, you know, in his sense, which is

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really kind of wild because it goes to show that

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if you have enough people who support you and raise

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you up, they can create the status for you that

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quite frankly you don't deserve, agree because how many of

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us are medical, right all right? But nonetheless, you know,

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when you look at the text that we do have

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about Saint Patrick.

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We do.

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No, or at least we have an idea that he

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must have been divinely inspired based on the success that

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he had in converting Ireland into the Christian faith, because

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that doesn't come easy in most cases.

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You know, people aren't typically just pushovers.

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Everyone wants to fight back with their own beliefs, in

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their own views, and so when you see somebody convert,

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there's a reason behind it. It's not because in most

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cases it's not because they're forced to do it, but

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it's because they see something or they hear something, or

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they learn something that's like straight up speaks to their

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core values, and the core being is like this seems right,

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you know right.

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And with the history the is out there, I don't

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know if it shows that. I mean, he obviously went

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with a ship, but I don't know if he went

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with other missionaries or took it upon himself to go

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and reach out to these tribes himself without without any escort,

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but that would have been really dangerous. So if he

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did it that way, Saint Patrick was a very brave

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guy because Ireland back then was very much a not

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savage but it was very much a chaotic and uh

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I talked about you know, Irish raiders coming to kidnap

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him when he was younger too, So it was very

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much chaotic. I guess, I guess is the correct term, Mary.

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It was not as civilized as it is today. Right.

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Well, I mean, we've we've learned a lot here about

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Saint Patrick, and you've really delved into his history based

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on what we know, whether it's through historical context or

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through what are potentially just stories fairy tales. But nonetheless

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we get this idea that this kind of rounded idea

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of who he was both the myth, the man, and

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the legend right, because he's he's a bit of all three.

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And obviously, historically speaking, it's true that he had one

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of the biggest impacts both for the Christian faith but

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also for a country in general. To convert virtually an

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entire country roughly by himself is pretty pretty big deed,

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especially for the time. Right. But now that we've covered

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a lot here on Saint Patrick, let's shift gears a

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little bit because there is this other character really involved

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in Saint Patti's day, and this is one of those

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characters that I think everybody kind of you know, I

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think well, I'm sure everybody knows and to some extent

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loves maybe in some cases apps we despises, depending on

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how you were raised and the movies you watched. But

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that is the story of the lepre Kaun, and then

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particularly the mystery behind the Leprechaun. Now, of course I

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grew up on the leprechaun horror films, so naturally I

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don't always like leprecauns. They're creepy, creepy critters when you

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look into the movies.

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But there's more behind it.

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It goes much deeper, and it's much more ancient, and

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it does have an origin, right, So where did the

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idea of the leprechaun comes from? All?

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Lepracauns were in Old Irish folklore long before Saint Patrick

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came around. They're believed to be a type of fay

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or fairy spirit, specifically a solitary trickster who worked as

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a shoemaker for the fairy world. The word leprechaun likely

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comes from the Irish blue I think is, which roughly

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translates to small bodied spirit and tradition stories traditional stories

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there weren't They weren't cute or friendly, They were mischievous,

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secretive and sometimes dangerous. Hence where the horror movie came from.

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It really really honed in on that, because from when

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we were younger at least, the leper Kahn was as

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a fun, friendly guy who was just trying to get

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back his lucky charms from kids.

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Right you see, And and that's how it all starts.

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And then you try to turn some something like this

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into a kid's avatar, and then next thing you know,

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you got kids went in the bed and being attacked

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by something that they didn't think was real.

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Those darn Disney movies, Man Disneys. What Now.

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Here's a straight up question. Were Leprecrons considered supernatural beings?

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Oh yeah, I mean it says it right there in

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the description of the folklore. They were of the fair fairy.

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You know, in Coltic Celtic folklore, Leprecauns were part of

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the IOC, the supernatural fairy race believed in inhabiting Ireland's hills,

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forests and ancient sites. You know, people believed these beings

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were guarding hidden treasure, played tricks on humans lived in

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another realm parallel to ours. Excuse me, kind of like

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the gin from Islam. They are are very much a

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spiritual or supernatural being. So in many ways they functioned

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like intermentional tricksters in folklore.

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So well, let's so, you know, and that makes a

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lot of sense, you know obviously that it would potentially

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be a supernatural being and even spiritual. But let's jump

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into modern times because we have a lot of these

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beings that we believe to be spiritual through ancient texts

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and ancient belief systems. But now people are starting to say, oh,

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interdimensional are we talking about extraterrestrials, you know, something beyond

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this world? And in this case, we're talking about something

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that potentially would come from outer space rather than an

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interdimensional being that exists around this earth. Like, is that

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a possibility or do you think that's more of a stress.

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That's just people who are not like, hey, you're an

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extra testureal, you're an extra testriale, you're an extra text

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or all extraterrestrials.

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Right. Well, I think that's the problem the paranormal is

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falling into, is that we're trying to slam all of

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these beings into one bubble. You know, a lot of

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people are now saying that aliens are not from another planet,

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but interdimensional aliens, if you will, coming in through another reality.

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I don't believe that all extrastrials are that way. Same

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thing with a lot of these cryptids, you know they're

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all being slammed into well, they must be interdimensional. We

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haven't seen a physical body or found a you know,

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a dead body. And that's where I think you and

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I both probably start to get a little annoyed with

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the paranormal. Is that we want to try and put

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a definition on things. And you know, back then when

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all this folklore came about, and I'm not saying these

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things aren't, because I do believe a lot of them are,

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but we always wanted to come up with a reason

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for something happening back then, whether these creatures are real

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or not, we were trying to place something outside of

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ourselves on For example, speaking of the Leprechaun, things going missing,

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you know, stuff like that, and we can't find them again.

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I do believe that spiritual beings can make that happen.

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You know, they'll take your things and put them somewhere else,

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and then years later later you find them. But as

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a culture, as a society, humans try to place blame

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on non physical beings.

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Why did this airplane crash? Why did that car stop working?

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As creublins? Right, that was one of the big things

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at one point.

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Oh, they call it an act of God, and that's

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not necessarily the case at all.

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Right, do you think, like, I know we've covered this

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so many times, but do you think that people are

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trying to keep everything in a single bubble because it's

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just easier to manage that way, you know, because you know,

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obviously within the paranormal world, within the supernatural world, there

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are so many branches that we could talk about, right,

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because we have various types of spirits, variou steps of

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entities and very you know, go over everything from you know,

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God himself and various angelic beings, demonic beings, subdemonic subspirits,

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you know, think et cetera, et cetera. You know, there's

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like this huge, huge, huge kind of pyramid of entities,

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and instead of trying to classify each and everyone, it's like, oh, well,

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let's just make them one big bubble and.

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Boom, they're all the same. I think we're trying to

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simplify it. Yeah, And like I mentioned about ancient humans

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trying to blame on something, it's because they were trying

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to simplify something too. So yes, in a sense, we're

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trying to amplify it, and really I feel there's a

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way more complex answer than we realize.

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I think my favorite part about all this is like

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we sit here every week with all this speculation, and

469
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a lot of us do here on epr N when

470
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.759
it comes to the paranormal, and it's fascinating because I

471
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.200
think many times you don't think about this, but as

472
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.319
we're talking about these things, we're having these kind of

473
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.240
like back and forth. I come to this sudden realization

474
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:33.160
that there is potentially, somewhere in an alternate reality, these

475
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.680
entities sitting at a computer of their own type doing

476
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:38.720
the exact same thing about humans, whether or not we

477
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.759
even exist, whether we're in true dimensional, whether we're physical beings,

478
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:43.720
you know.

479
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:44.400
And it's like.

480
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:47.839
I think a lot of us want to think everything

481
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.720
that's outside of this physical realm is higher than us.

482
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.839
You know, they're they're smarter and wiser, they're they're stronger.

483
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.799
We'll have any proof of that. It's very possible that

484
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.200
we are one of the strongest beings. We just don't

485
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.480
see it that way because we are limited based on

486
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:08.079
our dimension. That we know, whereas there are other dimensions

487
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:11.599
where maybe various sympities are much more limited than what

488
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.519
we are. And they're speculating and they're thinking, oh, well

489
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:18.000
we're and of course that's a shoss. It's just something

490
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.680
that like popped in my mind, like there is that possibility.

491
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.519
We're always going around the board trying to figure out

492
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.319
what these things are, but it's very possible they're trying

493
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:25.000
to do the same.

494
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.440
Thing, right well, and I mean how and it's all

495
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.759
been jokes, of course, but how many people have made

496
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.440
this little parody thing of aliens and they're like, oh,

497
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.480
did you see the new episode of Earth? Yeah it's

498
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.920
crazy man. So but you know, the one thing that

499
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:47.759
a lot of our guests have even said to us

500
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.920
is that, you know, humans, unlike a lot of these

501
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:56.599
other entities, are co creators, co creators of our reality? Now,

502
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.359
is that true in other realities? Like you already meant,

503
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.880
it'd be interesting to find out, because maybe there aren't

504
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:05.920
humans in some realities, right.

505
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.760
Well, yeah, you know, and it's like we talked about

506
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:17.480
we have talked about uh good, I can't think of

507
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.559
the word, but you know, we would would as an

508
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.239
individual or as like a mass group, we can create

509
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.000
an entity based on Yes, it's possible then that many

510
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.079
of these creatures or enthivies that do exist, or at

511
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:37.119
least some of them exist simply because we did create them,

512
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.519
you know. And since we're here talking about Saint Patrick

513
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.599
and you know him being a Christian band, of course,

514
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.719
you know, if then we were in regardless of whether

515
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.039
you're Christian faith or you just believe in a higher power,

516
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.760
we all have that God's spark, and the God's spark

517
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.000
beings that we are creators. And so if we all

518
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.440
have the spirit of God within us, we have that

519
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:03.039
God's park, then we, being creators, could potentially create these

520
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.119
things by simple thought without even recognizing it, without even

521
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.199
knowing it. And so how many times we tell these

522
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.079
stories and then all of a sudden we're seeing these

523
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.639
creatures you know, come about and people are seeing them

524
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.599
around the world. It's like, why did no one see

525
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.920
this prior why is it just now showing up?

526
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.960
You know? So I do find that very intriguing right well,

527
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.519
and with you know a lot of speculation about cern

528
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:32.800
them finding the God particle, them possibly creating the different things,

529
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.119
or not creating but creating riffs in reality so that

530
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.719
these things can come through too. There's been that whole

531
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:40.559
speculation to.

532
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:45.880
The Pandora's Box, the modern Or's box. Right, I missed

533
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.880
that game that we played. We subscribe in good times too.

534
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.440
I wonder if you could even play it anymore on

535
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.760
uh xbox or anything. All right, so we did. We

536
00:35:58.840 --> 00:35:59.880
repitraed a little bit here.

537
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:05.079
But going back to leprecauns, why are lepercauns specifically tied

538
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.440
to Saint Patrick's Day?

539
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.079
Now here's the thing about that. This is actually a

540
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:16.760
more modern connection Saint Patrick's Day. It began as a

541
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.639
you know, Saint Patrick Day began as a religion or

542
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:25.480
I'm sorry, religious feast day celebrating Ireland's patron saint. But

543
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.480
when Irish immigrants came to America in the eighteen hundreds,

544
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:33.039
the holidays slowly turned into a celebration of Irish identity

545
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:38.639
and culture and tradition. At that point, Irish folklore symbols

546
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:44.760
like leprechauns, shamrocks, pots of gold, sorry getting folded into

547
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.960
the holiday itself. So, in other words, leprecauns represent Irish mythology,

548
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:54.400
not Saint Patrick himself. It just got put into this

549
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.400
cauldron just like kind of an example of what us

550
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.639
is this as a cauldron of multiple cultures. And then,

551
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.519
like you said earlier, telephone it kind of gets muddled.

552
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.719
And you know, the people that were here, the English

553
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:16.400
people that were here before that are like, oh you don't.

554
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.719
One of our my Irish friends said that, Yeah, leprechauns

555
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:26.039
used to harass Saint Patrick all the time. Not necessarily true.

556
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:32.000
I'm just making that up, but it represents how the

557
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.719
game of telephone can really affect mythology and.

558
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:43.639
Legend like and in general, lepricns are also highly associated with,

559
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.599
at least in most modern times, with the wee leaf

560
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.960
and four leaf clovers, because they're also associated with luck

561
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:56.880
in general, which again probably goes back to this idea

562
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:05.159
of of them hoarding or protecting gold pots of gold,

563
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.199
if you will, or treasure, and how if they were

564
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.199
to lose any part of that treasure, then they potentially

565
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:15.280
lose their luck and therefore they get sloppy, and you know,

566
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.840
they're not as whimsical or quick witted as they maybe

567
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:19.639
once were prior.

568
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:20.559
Now.

569
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:24.920
Of course, that delves into a whole list of things, including.

570
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:26.920
Montimedia.

571
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:31.079
When we're talking about obviously movies, but also into various

572
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.440
books and fairy tales, poems, things like that that have

573
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.840
kind of branched this idea of a leprechaun and what

574
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.480
they actually are, who they are, and what they're capable of.

575
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.800
And again we don't know the exact origin. We don't

576
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.079
have a boom. This is the day of the lepertown

577
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.679
is created or can vout and this is what the

578
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.199
power was because a lot of these entities that we

579
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.440
do talk about on the show, they start pretty small

580
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.239
and then over the years they grow and grow and

581
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.320
grow until they kind of become this powerful being in themselves.

582
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.880
Right went now.

583
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:13.039
We're fairies and pagan beliefs actually still around it during

584
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.599
Patrick's time, Like we know that pagan beliefs were to

585
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.920
an extent, obviously that was the whole point if we're

586
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.119
going to begin with. But did he have to kind

587
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.960
of interact with fairies or his bleep of fairies? And

588
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.880
do we know how he interacted with them?

589
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.840
Yeah, and this is where things get interesting. Christianity arrived

590
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.559
in Ireland. It didn't erase older beliefs overnight, like we mentioned,

591
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.320
it actually didn't erase them at all. It converted them

592
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:48.000
in or absorbed them into Christianity that's practiced there today.

593
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:53.719
When Christianity arrived in Ireland, it didn't it was more

594
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.079
than just what it was in other parts of Europe.

595
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.840
Many people still believed in you know, fairy folk, sacred hills,

596
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:10.719
spirit realms, nature, spirits, all types of different spirits. Instead

597
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:17.880
of eliminating those ideas, Irish culture often blended them with Christianity.

598
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.840
That's why Irish spirituality has always had a mystical flavor,

599
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.159
like I mentioned earlier, compared to other parts of the world.

600
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.599
Yeah, and we see that with a number of different

601
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.480
belief systems. You know, we look at New Orleans video

602
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.880
and it's Haitian roots and how that is spliced with Christianity,

603
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.599
or the modern Christian witch who gets into witchcraft, but

604
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.639
yet holds on to some of those Christian beliefs in

605
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:48.119
those Christian characters and those icons that they grew up with,

606
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.840
especially within the Catholic Church. So this is something that

607
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.599
is widespread and happens from one book faith to another

608
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.880
over and over throughout history and throughout the world. So

609
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.400
it definitely would make sense that people back then would

610
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.039
still believe in the fairy, fog and the Sacred Hills

611
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.719
and you know, things like that, and somehow use them

612
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.920
to kind of like grow their belief within their new

613
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.960
Christian faith and adopt it in And it's always I

614
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.639
find I always find it intriguing to see how it's done,

615
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.280
because some of it is just just really fascinating.

616
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:33.559
Yeah, I mean, like every culture in general, when it

617
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:38.360
especially ones that were converted from Paganism to Christianity, it

618
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:44.039
always is fascinating to see what parts of that culture,

619
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.719
the previous culture, I should say, were kept in the

620
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:53.440
practices of Christianity. And we see that in the US

621
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.480
of course, with Santa Claus and you know, the Christmas

622
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.000
Tree and all that stuff. We talked about that during

623
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.199
our Christmas episode. So yeah, it's it's interesting. And at

624
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.519
the same time, there are those hardcore Christians with that

625
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.440
will not practice any of that because it is a

626
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:14.360
pagan connection.

627
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.519
Yeah, it's interesting to see how one adopts those things

628
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.880
and another completely disregard to them, you know. And then

629
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.400
again it comes all down to personal preference ultimately your

630
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.519
own convictions and belief systems, et cetera, et cetera. So right,

631
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.360
you know, you do have to wonder or at least

632
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.760
I have to order. Like, as we move, you know,

633
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.320
further into modern culture, we see a lot of our

634
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.000
old belief systems, a lot of what used to be

635
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.840
are current belief systems transforming. And like I said, you

636
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.440
know the Christian which for example, that's that's pretty new

637
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.960
and kind of way out there for old school Christian

638
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.639
Christian Church. I mean, in many cases, I would think

639
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.440
some of the founders are by rolling in their graves

640
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:13.400
like well, what what, what's happening? But it makes you

641
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.800
kind of wonder, like one hundred years from now, two

642
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.239
hundred years from now, when there.

643
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:25.079
Are if a world even exists by then, when you

644
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.760
have archaeologists in those times, you know, digging through America

645
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.960
or through Europe or you know, where have you, and

646
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:37.519
they start seeing this combination of belief systems so intricately

647
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.119
interwhy intricately intertwined?

648
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.159
What that kind of thought? It's right off the bat,

649
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:45.960
and they look at it like it's this looks like

650
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.119
a hot mess, just like a.

651
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:49.320
Giant ball of Mumbo Dumbo.

652
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.000
Or is it like, oh, this is very intricate and

653
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.360
delicate and really fascinating of how these things worked together,

654
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.400
you know, because could I think ass tam goes. You know,

655
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.679
we're going to see more and more splicing of various

656
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.400
blue systems and religions, and of course I think we

657
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:11.800
will also see much more just completely disregarding faith altogether,

658
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:18.480
regardless of the system that they people are following. We

659
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:24.119
are now so yeah it would yeah so now really

660
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.599
final question about the leprens. When it comes down to it,

661
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:35.920
are leprechauns actually just a myth or they particularly something deeper?

662
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:45.519
This goes with everything we talk about. Researchers are are

663
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.599
split across the board. Okay, you know, some reachers suggest

664
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:54.519
that fairy folklore might reflect ancient beliefs about other early

665
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:00.519
beings or spirits tied to sacred land. Others beliefs stories

666
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:08.079
are cultural memory preserving old pagan traditions. Either way, Lepicauns

667
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.360
are part of much a much larger mythological system that

668
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.159
predates Saint Patrick by centuries. And that again can be

669
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:22.039
said about a lot of things, and about how we

670
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:26.719
have become afraid of these creatures that may not exist

671
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:31.119
at all. We just saw something created an image in

672
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.599
our mind, and then that became a lot of the

673
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.679
like cryptids or even spiritual beings that we know now

674
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.079
and like you mentioned earlier, possibly created them into our

675
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.800
reality because so many people started fearing it.

676
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.840
Yeah, you know, and I think that's that's something that

677
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.679
we need to consider tooms like there is this kind

678
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:59.760
of fine line, semi fine line between fear and adoration

679
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.639
or respect, because many of these cultures, you know, they

680
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:08.719
have these entities and these beings that they genuinely respect,

681
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.679
right they whether or not they look up to them,

682
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:18.159
they at least lived with them alongside them. When we

683
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.000
think about the leprechauns, we think about the faith, many

684
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.239
people who just believe that you live alongside them are

685
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.280
two different types of individual people groups, if you will.

686
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.599
But then there are others that do genuinely fear those

687
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.199
same things, and a lot of that, of course comes

688
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:43.320
down to misunderstanding, right because again, especially modern times, we

689
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.960
have a lot of information at our disposal, and a

690
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.880
lot of that information isn't good information. It's just throwing

691
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.119
together by somebody who wants to create a story or

692
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.760
wants to get a lie out there, because why not, right,

693
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.239
And then we have a lot of individuals who are

694
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.119
quickly gullible and they will find the you know, click

695
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.119
that first link that pops up in the Google search.

696
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.440
Read it, take it for fact, shut it down, and boom.

697
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.639
They are set in their belief system and then their understanding.

698
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.400
But that's why it's important to constantly do research as well,

699
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.760
because many of those things that do pop up first

700
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.039
isn't typically the full story on Google, right, you got

701
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.199
to do a deep dive. You got to and AI

702
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.960
can only do so much. AI two can be tricked.

703
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:36.480
It will often tell you information that is most widely

704
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:40.960
accepted or mass produced, rather than getting down to the

705
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:45.159
absolute truth the ground level or the foundation of some

706
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.880
of these stories. And that goes as far back as

707
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.000
like even were wolves, the dog Man, vampires. You know what,

708
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.719
our very first episode on UPRN was about the vampire,

709
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.400
and you know, we delved into it's orches story, how

710
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.599
it began as just a spiritual entity that was just

711
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.360
a ghost. Basically, it didn't do anything, it didn't harm anybody,

712
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.960
but it grew over the years, over the centuries, and

713
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.719
as it grew, it took on newer tributes until we

714
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:22.079
got pretty much that we have of vampires today, which

715
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:27.199
is in most cases very dark entity or being that

716
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.039
goes out of its way to drink blood to kill

717
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.119
the harm to live life the way that it knows

718
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.840
at the height of food chain, right, But that's not

719
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.440
how it began, and so then you have to question that, Well,

720
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:46.840
if if the vampire started as just a ghost, then

721
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.559
the vampires that we have today do they even really exist? Right, Like,

722
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:52.480
how did that happen?

723
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.559
Well, I mean, and it's total affection, But you brought

724
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.920
me a book, a vampire hunting book back way back

725
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.039
when we were doing night Stalkers, and it talks about

726
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:12.039
that vampires were the original vampire. They was possessed by

727
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.280
a demon that or in this case, of spiritual entity.

728
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:22.519
So if there are vampires today that do suck blood,

729
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:32.480
and I mean we've talked about the energetic or spiritual vampires,

730
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:37.960
maybe it's a possession case, kind of like a symbiotic relationship.

731
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.400
Right In that book that you're talking about, if anyone's interested,

732
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:46.320
is actually called vampire. The Terrifying Lost Journal of Doctor

733
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.880
Cornelius Vanels.

734
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:50.559
Really fascinating.

735
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.239
It's a lot of fun to read, and it's it's

736
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.239
really interesting because it was like the first time I'd

737
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.199
heard about or learned about this idea, which which is

738
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:04.400
modern now it's like very well accepted in television and

739
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:09.559
in books, but the idea that vampires, well, the big

740
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.760
course like how do how does the vampire use things

741
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.320
by into victim but yet draw blood at the same time,

742
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.599
because if the fangs are plugging up the holes that

743
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.599
the blood comes from, and we can't really drink the blood.

744
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.360
And so in this book, which way way way back

745
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.679
in our early early years of podcasting, this was two

746
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:29.800
thousand and seven or so two thousand and eight, it

747
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:31.599
was the first time I heard about this idea that

748
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.760
the fans have tiny holes that yeah, the tooth is

749
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.000
hollowed out and draws back into the back of the

750
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.679
throat where it can then be.

751
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:42.559
Ingested or drink.

752
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:47.000
Which again, if you guys have not heard about you

753
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.039
guys haven't listened to our episode, I can to find

754
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:50.920
out what they actual maybe you know the name of it.

755
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.719
We do have an episode about vampires and the reality

756
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.400
of them drinking blood, and we go into a very

757
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.360
scientific aspect of whether or not a creature like a

758
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:07.920
vampire can actually drink blood and survive hundreds of years basically,

759
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.559
and it's it's one of my favorite episodes we've ever done.

760
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.880
It does use science to take a scientific approach. We

761
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:18.480
talk about vampire bats, how they drink blood according to

762
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.840
their weight, and how that transfers to what a modern

763
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.440
vampire would need to survive as well, and whether or

764
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.119
not it actually could survive while still remaining hit him

765
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.719
all these years.

766
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:33.639
Are you talking about the one that we first did

767
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.360
on like you just mentioned on upr N, I.

768
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:38.760
Don't it might have been. I don't know whether it's

769
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:39.239
that one or not.

770
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.840
It might have been. Yeah, I'm not sure if that

771
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:52.679
was the one or not. That's good in a while

772
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:56.960
to look for it. Yeah, but yeah, and you know

773
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:02.960
there's been so there's been quite a few people on

774
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.000
TikTok and I already hear you guys. It's not that

775
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.119
I believe it, but I would love to get them

776
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:14.480
on and have them tell their story if they are

777
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.920
claiming their vampires, you know, I would love to hear

778
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.679
what they have to say. Or Hey, if you're a vampire,

779
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.159
email us. I'm not going to say reach out because

780
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:27.400
I don't want you in my house. Email us at

781
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.000
Paratrude Radio, which email account we'd love to bring on

782
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:31.280
for to tell.

783
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.320
Your story, just because just to put out the just

784
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.719
for for feelers. Specifically, we're talking about vampires that actually

785
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:39.639
drew blood.

786
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.440
Right right and claim to have lived for a very

787
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.599
long time, not the human ones that put the things

788
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.840
in their mouths and drink people's blood at a blood

789
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:54.519
letting bar. Though, I would love to talk to you

790
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.519
too and find why you feel that this is a

791
00:52:57.559 --> 00:52:59.599
good way to go about it.

792
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:06.840
To So, when it comes down to Saint Patrick, Saint

793
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.679
Patti's day, in particular the Leprechaun, what are some of

794
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.920
your thoughts on the whole origin story here, some of

795
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.920
these characters and just the overall story, the overarching story

796
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.000
of these characters and what we celebrate today.

797
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.719
Well, I mean, Saint Patrick, without a doubt, is obviously

798
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.039
a historical figure. I mean, we've already talked about these

799
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:32.239
there's documentation to say that he was a real person.

800
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:43.199
Did he have these these spiritual battles with withdruids? In

801
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.480
his mind it was a spiritual battle, and in a

802
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:49.639
sense was a spiritual battle because he was trying to

803
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:57.480
convert these pagans to Christianity. Leprechauns. I mean, I've always

804
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:04.960
kind of believed that Ferrier Fayre are real, All spiritual

805
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:09.360
beings really something I kind of looked up as we

806
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.280
were discussing stuff. Is where you know, the green beer

807
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:18.599
and corn beef and cabbage came from. And I should

808
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:24.840
have known better. But obviously this is an American thing

809
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:31.840
that came about to kind of Greek Irish immigrants into

810
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.679
celebrating Saint Patty's Day the way that we do today.

811
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.599
It actually didn't come about till the nineteenth and twentieth

812
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.480
century because corn beef was actually a cheaper accessible substitute

813
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.559
for traditional Irish bacon, which apparently is what they would

814
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.880
eat in celebration of Saint Patrick. And the green beer

815
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:03.239
came about from man named Thomas A. Which Curtain, who

816
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.199
was a New York club owner in nineteen fourteen and

817
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:13.119
added green food dye to beer, and it was again

818
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.480
just a way to celebrate in the US, you know,

819
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.719
the Irish American adaptation of Saint Patty's Day. I had

820
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.400
never looked that up before. It was just a thing

821
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.000
you did, so I never really looked into the history

822
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:35.880
of it all. But yeah, it's one of those things,

823
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:40.760
as far as tradition goes, that sometimes gets lost. I'm

824
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.440
not talking about the corn beef and cabbage. I'm talking

825
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:49.880
about how we celebrate Saint Patrick's day today. But it's

826
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.519
fascinating to look at the history and the folklore and

827
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.920
the legends behind it all.

828
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:59.320
One hundred percent, I completely agree with you, And I

829
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:03.039
didn't know anything about the green bearder all that. You know,

830
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:05.800
what year was that that if it? They did the

831
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.039
Green die nineteen fourteen, nineteen fourteen, and I think they

832
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.000
still do go today, right.

833
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:17.519
And so in retrospect to history as a whole, that

834
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.800
practice is very much in its infancy compared to many

835
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.400
other practices that we have to right.

836
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:29.239
Well, you know, as if has really most anything, not everything,

837
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:32.920
but most everything in America for whatever reason, it all

838
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:34.239
has to be done bigger.

839
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.559
And boulder for some reasons. So I mean, you know,

840
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:38.400
I don't I don't know.

841
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.719
I don't have words to wear it.

842
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:43.880
It's it's insane, that's the word.

843
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:49.760
We'll go away, it's insane, anise, psychiatry, that's.

844
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:52.679
Uh.

845
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.039
But no, I agree with you.

846
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:59.000
You know, it is a literal fact that Patrick, Saint

847
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:00.800
Patrick did exist.

848
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:02.079
He was an actual.

849
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.840
Person who literally did convert Ireland to the Christian faith

850
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.400
and drove out some of the pagan teachings and the

851
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.960
druids because of it. And again, whether or not that

852
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.480
meant entirely, you know, pushing them out or simply pushing

853
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.280
out the bleach system that they held, is up in

854
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.519
the air. But at this point it doesn't really matter,

855
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.960
because the simple fact is what he did. You know,

856
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.400
it made history, and it took and it stuck, and

857
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:36.920
as in most cases, it does or has when it

858
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:41.320
comes to the Christian faith, right and you know, I

859
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.960
do find it off fascinating, and of course the Leprechaun

860
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:47.360
is one of the most fascinating creatures icon him creatures,

861
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:51.400
but you know, entities that we've come across, and we

862
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:52.679
don't talk about it enough.

863
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:53.159
Obviously.

864
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.599
This is something that we always keep for March, really

865
00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:59.119
because we have no other reason to bring up the

866
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:03.519
Leprechaun outside of March here in America.

867
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:08.440
And then finding a historian or philosopher or somebody who's

868
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.840
written a book about it is kind of rare too,

869
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.239
oh yeah, one hundred percent.

870
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.639
But nonetheless, you know, this is one of our favorite,

871
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.840
one of our favorite holidays. And we're not partygoers anymore,

872
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.519
you know, we just like the idea of it. And

873
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.039
we here in the US like to dress in green

874
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:30.840
drink things that are green, eat things that are actually

875
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.159
not green in most cases, unless the cupcakes.

876
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:34.679
I mean cabbage is before you cook it.

877
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:40.599
That's fair use that everything green. So and you know

878
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.880
the funny part is most people that go out party

879
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:47.199
and they eventually turn green too, So it's funny how

880
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:52.920
it all comes around. Anyway, this is the end of

881
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.079
today's episode. We do hope that you liked it, and

882
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:59.239
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883
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.880
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884
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.800
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885
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886
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.159
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887
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.639
until next week, well you'll find us, same time, same channel.

888
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