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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we'll be talking to Paul
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Blake Smith about his book The UFO Bombshell Before Roswell.
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Welcome, Well, do para Truth.
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How's it going Paratruthers, Welcome to another episode of Paratruth Reborn.
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My name is Justin and I'm Eric, and tonight I'm Paratruth.
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We are going back before Roswell. Yes, Roswell is not
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the only crashed UFO case. In nineteen forty one, there
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was a presumed airplane crash near Cape girardu, Missouri, allegedly
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turned into something much stranger, a UFO crash, alien bodies,
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government secrecy, the whole nine yards. You know, if you
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know Roswell, this case is going to sound very similar
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in those regards. But we are bringing on Paul Blake
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Smith to talk about this. Paul, Welcome to Paratrude three born.
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Well, thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure.
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Now before we dig deep into the book, for our listeners,
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tell us a little bit who you are, how you
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got interested in UFO cases and specifically this case.
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Well, I was born and raised in Cape Girardo, Missouri.
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It's a city of about thirty five to four thousand
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students and residents. We have a large university there. That's
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where I went to college. I was in the mass
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communications department, did a little radio work, and one of
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the fellow students was a burly fellow was on a
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football team. Name said from Saint Louis. You know him
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as Cedric the entertainer. Well, anyway, name dropping there. Yeah,
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I remember him quite well. He probably doesn't remember me.
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But over the years, I was interested in UFO stories
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only somewhat modly. I wasn't a big enthusiast. But I
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began to hear about the Cape Druro UFO crash outside
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of my own hometown. I thought, Wow, what's this. Where
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can I get a book about this? I'd love to
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read about this at length? And I waited more than
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a decade, and I got fed up, and I thought, well,
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I fancy myself a writer. Why do I piece together
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the story? And I did the best I could. My
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book had some flaws in it, but it came out
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in twenty sixteen, and I made one big mistake. I
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thought for sure the craft happened on April twelfth of
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nineteen forty one. I realized after the book came out
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that is not accurate, and if I had to pin
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it down, I would say it was twelve days later.
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And it fits the pattern and the clues that I
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lay out of my book. And one of those stories
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was a Cape Jarl newspaper article from the next day, Friday,
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April twenty fifth, in which it said a huge bomber
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airplane was circling over and over Cape Girardo between I
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think eight and nine o'clock in the morning, and people
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were getting really nervous and frightened. What's going on. A
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bomber is extremely expensive and pricey to run, and you
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didn't just take it out on a joy ride. So
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an article it feared about a week later in the
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paper and they said, well, we were sending it out
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from right Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. It was
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the Air Corps in those days, and we sent it
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out on a test flight and they just happened to
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go to Cape Girardo, Missouri. It's as if they were
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spircling around looking for something. And we'll get into what
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that could be. But there was a very fonn book
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by a woman named Linda L. Wallace who said around
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this time, she can't pin down the exact date. Two
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relatives told her there was an enormous plane that landed
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at the Sikeston, Missouri airfield and out came these armed,
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presumably armed guards who guarded the plane like it was
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there to pick up something. And so the two stories
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kind of hang together. And when we go to Roswell,
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part of that story is that a huge bomber plane
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in July nineteen forty seven was used to, according to
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eye witnesses, to pick up the crash remains of at
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least one disc possibly two, and dead alien bodies and
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fly them to write Patterson Air Force Base. So it
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makes you think that they possibly were following a template
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that was laid down in the Cape turn't crash. And
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it's like the most amazing bombshell story ever that you
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may never have heard of. And it's just so frustrating
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because it's the terrific story and yet Roswell gets all
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the headlines.
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Absolutely it does, and I we're going to get into
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all that. But I've been thinking about this all day,
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like if this case happened well before Roswell, like why
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was it not as much covered? But yeah, it's one
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of those things where I think that there's been so
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many cases that.
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No, something happened there. Yeah, we lost justin Yeah that
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was weird. It's a weird sound. But I can you
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hear me now, yeah, we hear you. It is weird
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that it, you know, it was a case that or
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something that just kind of slipped away. Roswell took presidents.
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But I do also wonder if there were less people
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who maybe had noted the forty one crash, whereas we
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have people like Jesse Marcel Junior who presented all of
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the evidence that he found on the farm when he
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showed up to forty seven Roswell incident and immediately got
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that information out to people before the government was able
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to retrack that info. Tell you tell people as a
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weather bloo and so on and so for you know,
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there's actually an eyewitness who came forward right away, which
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maybe we didn't have in forty one quite the same way. Now,
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was this something that was talked about openly in the
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area that you grew up in or was it more
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of like a whispered local legend.
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For some people? They did talk about it, And I
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spoke to a woman who was elderly at the time
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I talked to her, and she's now deceased. She says,
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I was eleven years old at the time of this incident,
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and I remember it quite clearly. She didn't claim to
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have seen the alienship or the bodies. She said, the
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adult stood around talking in my farm community just outside
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Cape Girardo about these little space men and how they
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crashed in their little spaceship. And she wanted me to know.
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We didn't have terms like flying saucer or UFO. We
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just call them little spacemen. And so that just gives
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you another little piece of corroboration that this really did happen.
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I read a couple of different accounts online of citizens
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that said, Oh, my grandparents used to talk about this
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spaceship crash. If only I had listened more intently or
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written some things down, they knew about it, and now
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they're passed away. And that's a huge problem for me
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today is that almost everyone, well certainly everyone from nineteen
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forty one is deceased lest you were like two years
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old at the time, and in many cases their children
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are deceased eighty five years ago. So you have to
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piece the clues together as best you can and I
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did that, I think in my book. But I often
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get asked, well, how did this just get covered up
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by the millit terry so quickly? And it's a simple
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answer for that. The sheriff of Cape Girardo County was
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said to be at the crash site by an eye witness,
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and the sheriff just happened to live in Sikeston, Missouri,
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where his brother was an executive in the aerial training program.
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The Air Corps was training pilots at the Sikeston Airfield
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and they had like citizens soldiers pilots really, and so
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all it took was one phone call that evening and said,
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you know, like you better get up here. You're not
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going to believe your eyes and bring a unit with you.
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I'll bet you want to get this scooped up and
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take a look at it. So the main eye witness
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is a Reverend William G. Huffman, who said, we were
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told originally it was an airplane crash. So we got
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into a car that was driven by this Cape Chardo
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resident who was affiliated with the Cape Giardo Police Department,
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and they were driven her out to this farm field
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where they saw a blaze going on and the fire
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department fighting this fire, and when they got out there,
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they walked about a quarter of a mile into this
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farm field and could not see any airplane at all.
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There was a circular silvery gray disc that had crashed
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and was cracked open, and there was metallic debris and
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shrapnel around in this field. And there were people poking
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through all of this, including the farm department, the police department,
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the sheriff, a newsman taking big flash photos with his
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news camera of the day with a big flash off
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from time to time. I'm sure there were men with flashlights,
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local farmers, maybe lanterns, and the sheriff again was there,
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and it could have been some doctors and nurses. Supposedly
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some nurses were notified and saw the alien bodies that
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were on the ground and their faces went white with
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they couldn't believe what they were seeing, and it had
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to have been a traumatic shock. On the ground, according
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to Reverend Huffman wore three small, gray, identical little creatures
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or beings, humanoids if you want to call them that,
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with big bulbous heads, big black glassy eyes, two little
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dots for nostrils, and a tiny little slit for a mouth,
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just barely perceptible and no visible ears, gray skin, no hair,
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no tattoos, and no jewelry. They may have had a
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flight suit, he said. It was all wrinkly skin like,
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wrinkly crinkly. Whether it was their skin or a flight suit,
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or the two had meshed together and reacted badly to
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our oxygen rich atmosphere, he didn't know. But he didn't
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see any injuries to the three creatures. Two of them
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were inert, obviously dead, and the third was barely breathing.
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When Rever Huffman, who was called in to say prayers
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and offer spiritual comfort, knelt down in the field and
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held it by the wrist and began to say a prayer.
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And when he was doing that, the creature just went lip.
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He died, He stopped respirating, and it was pretty obvious
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he was beyond saving. So he let go of the
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wrist and it just like flopped down like a dead doll.
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And as he was standing up, two local men picked
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up one of the dead aliens and propped him up
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under the arms and pose for a photograph. Now, the newsman,
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who normally had the big speed graphic camera, didn't use that.
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He pulled out a little Brownie box camera and snapped
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one photo. And so we'll get to how that is
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significant later. But Reverend Huffman said, he walked over to
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the disk and took a peek in there, and we
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all want to know what he saw, right, should we
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skip over that? I don't know? Well, okay, talk me
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into it. He saw like a control panel, almost like
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a flight deck of an airplane, only it was circular,
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and there were some gauges and dials, and a gyroscope
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type object in the center of the room, and one
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or two little tiny seats that you would assume like
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for human size, they would be that of a child,
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and it would fit these creatures that were on the ground.
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Reverend Huffman was apparently told some first responder reached the
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crash and pulled out the bodies and laid them flat
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on their backs, staring skyward if they were even alive,
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and that may have been the worst possible thing he
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could have done. He was trying to do the right thing.
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But the creatures obviously could not breathe our air outside
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their climate controlled spaceship, and they expired the nuts why
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and they did not have any visible injuries, but the
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ship sure did and Reverend Huffman said there was a
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strange silver band around the top of the interior, and
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it had odd pictograms or symbols in it, and he
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couldn't make out what those darn things were. And everyone's
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buzzing about the debris and the bodies and what's going on.
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It were probably almost like an impromptu city party for
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a while. And then an outside force arrived, and that
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was the pilot soldiers in uniform who encircled the site
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when they arrived and hemmed them all in and said,
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this never happened. You didn't see this. This is a
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matter of national security. You're never to speak of this again.
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And we'll have all of that debris you're holding on to,
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every bit of it, put it down or hand it over,
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and any notes you may have taken in any photos.
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So the newsman had that brownie box camera in his
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pocket and he did not turn that over happily, and
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he got away with it. And Reverend Hoffman said he
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was sworn to secrecy and eventually released, and he went
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home and he was so ashen faced and so disturbed
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by what he saw that his family gathered around late
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at night, said where have you been what's happened, and
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he said, I'm going to tell you this story once
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and then I'm never going to speak of it again.
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And happily he did kind of break his vow of
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silence when he told his family, and one of his
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family members spoke up about fifty years later in nineteen
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ninety one, and it began to be investigated by the
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like Ray Fowler, Leonard Stringfield, Ryan Wood, doctor Stanton Friedman,
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Linda molten Howe. I think almost all of them came
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to Cape Girarro and did some research to see if
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they can find some proof of this amazing story six
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years before Roswell and about eight months before our involvement
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in World War Two.
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You know, I find what if? I'd really fascinating about
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that story. I mean, all of it's very fascinating, but
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the one thing that I really find fascinating is the
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connection to the incident in forty seven because in his
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book and Jesse Marcel Junior's book, he shows photos of
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his father, Jesse Marcel, holding some of the things that
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he brought back from the air from the crash site
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before the government came or military came and took that
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stuff away, and one of it was a sheet of
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metal that had some strange pictograms on it. And the
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fact that that also showed up in the forty one incident,
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I think is really really intriguing connection. We're talking in
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six years apart, and yet this could very well be
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the same alien species and then for the same alien
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craft or type of craft that would have ultimately, you know,
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I guess crashed, right, craft that would have crashed and
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shared the same type of notes.
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That's correct. There's a story that I include in my book,
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and it's by a man who pull on an internet forum.
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He said, my grandparents owned and farmed the land where
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the crash occurred. He said, I couldn't get them to
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tell me much about it, but I thought it was
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of historic importance. So I flew to Cape Girarda, Missouri,
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and I went to the property and there was the
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old man. He was not as old obviously at the time.
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after World War two, and he was not told of
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any spaceship crash. But he did say I was digging
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a cistern, a big tank to hold rainwater out in
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the far reaches of his backyard near his crops, and
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he found these strange strips of metal embedded in the soil,
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like what is this? And there was odd imprints of
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like again hieroglyphics or pictograms or just symbols he couldn't
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make out. And he said that I could not bend
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permanently or crease it, and I could not how to
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it with the sharpest like wirecutters or scissors or knives
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that he had on the farm. It was just like
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unlike anything he had ever seen. So he apparently gathered
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them all up and hid them in his barn. And
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the guy who posted this information said, I couldn't get
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the old guy to tell me what he did with
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that eventually, so it could be floating around today or
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maybe stolen by goodness knows who, Maybe a government agent
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came in and took it. But I'd like to think
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maybe he puts some in a safety deposit box in
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a bank, and maybe we'll get a hold of that someday.
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But again, it sounds like the Roswell crash, the same
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report of the same kind of big headed gray aliens
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in the same kind of spaceship that had metal with
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the occasional odd imprintable a logo or a picture of something,
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or letter or number that Jesse Marcel said, I distinctly
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saw when my father brought in the debris one night
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in forty seven. But in nineteen forty one we had
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a big problem in getting out the truth. There was
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a lot of censorship in those days. You weren't even
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allowed to write or photograph. The fact that the President
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of the United States is confined to a wheelchair and
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cannot walk. He has to have help to stand and
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to barely move a few paces, and anyone who tries
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to take a photograph of President Roosevelt would have the
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camera knocked out of his hands or snatched away in
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the film removed. So that gives you a level of
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understanding that if you were told not to do something,
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not to write or to talk about something, you did
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your patriotic duty or you were in trouble. So that's
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another factor that helped to crush getting the truth out
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about the Cape Charles story. They were not to write
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about it in the papers, and they did not. I've
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scoured them thoroughly, can't find any evidence of the story,
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but or don't see any story of an airplane crashing either.
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Right.
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Well, and That's the thing about both of these cases,
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and probably even more than we even realize, is that,
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like Roswell, they originally printed that it was a UFO,
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meaning they just didn't know what it was, and then
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eventually it came out and said, well, this is a
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weather balloon, where you know, there's nothing to worry about,
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it's fine. In this case, they thought it was some
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type of airplane crash but then found out different.
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How did they.
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Originally come across this and think it was an airplane
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come to find out something else.
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I have a source that had a source. A lot
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of it is second hand, I realized, but when you
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have a story that's old and everyone's deceased. Apparently a
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farm hand was there the farm that night and saw
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the crash and saw a big fireball go up and thought,
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oh my gosh, an airplane must have overshot the runway.
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The area where I think it crashed. It was near
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two different airfields south of Cape in farm territory, So
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he rushed inside and called the operator and they got
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him in touch with the Cape Jardo Fire Department, which
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shared a building with the Cape Police Department downtown, So
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that's how they could come rushing out so quickly, and
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they apparently did, and we're fighting the fire. Many years later,
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the Huffman story made the news in even the Cape
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Jardo newspaper, and a Cape Tardo retired fireman said, I'm
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very ill with cancer and gathered his family around and said,
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I want you to know this story that Reverenduffman told
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is entirely true. I was there fighting the fire, doing
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my job as I was instructed, and I saw the craft,
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I saw the three bodies. The Huffman narrative is correct.
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And he said the military came in and caught him
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trying to sneak a piece of the debris into his pocket,
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and they chewed him out, forced him to hand it over,
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and then they booted him out of the crash site
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and sent him home. And he said, in the aftermath,
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I felt like I was being watched around town and
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my phone was tapped. So I looked into that. And
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in nineteen forty one, the director of the FBI was
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crazy about tapping people's phones. There was very little regulation
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against it, and he got away with doing almost anything
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he wanted. So there was an FBI office that was
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opened in Cape Girardo in about a month before the
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crash in March of forty one. And so it makes
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sense that Reverend Upman said I saw an FBI man
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who may have been the one who swore him to secrecy.
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So the story in every way hangs together from little
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bits and pieces. We can adjust to this. Just like
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a year or two ago, I was contacted on Twitter
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by a woman who said, my grandmother's sister lived on
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a farm not too far from the crash site, and
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they saw this thing flying overhead and it was pretty
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low and it was emitting sparks, and that it came
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down near another relatives farm and she knows the story
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is true. Now I wanted more information, give me more
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details than she climbed up. People may still be scared
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to talk about even old family lore to this day
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that you know the government can come knocking on your
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door and be very intimidating. I had a friend from
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high school who wanted to investigate this story around the
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year two thousand, two thousand and one, and he began
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checking out library books on UFOs and contacting UFO investigators
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coming to Cape Charto. One day he went to the
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Cape Charto Public Library and they said, oh, two men
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in suits were here asking questions about you, asking questions
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about what books you've been checking out and what you're like,
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and so even as of like twenty four or twenty
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five years ago, this may have been an attempt to
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either monitor the story or possibly to discredit it or
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destroy it. But there's so many UFO cases. I witnessed
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testimony of other stories and crashes and videos online, and
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people are putting things from their cell phones and getting
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footage and putting it on the internet, and it's making
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TV shows. I think the government's kind of given up
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on trying to crush these stories.
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Well, and I mean with the invention of AI, sometimes
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you can't even tell.
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Yeah, and you trust anyone right, Well, now, what would
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you consider is the strongest piece of evidence or testimony
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in this particular case.
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Well, FDR apparently dictated some Oval Office memos and I
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put him in the book and he refers to these
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celestial wonders that have come to us and a non
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Terrestrial Science and Technology committee that he formed in the
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aftermath of the crash. And there are other other references
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such as a Nathan Twining report on Roswell of September
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nineteen forty seven and In it, he said the recoveries
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from the New Mexico Desert floor were deemed extraterrestrial in
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nature when compared to the Missouri discovery of nineteen forty one.
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He says this twice in this report, and so you know,
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you've got to just do a double take again and again.
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There another little document was a typed up piece of
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paper that a UFO investigator got from an alleged former
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American Army Intelligence counter Intelligence Corps member who said, I'm
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dying of cancer in the late nineties, and he wanted
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to get this story out before he died, and he
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told some secrets. In the first secret, he told there
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was an lenticular arrowdyne that crashed in southern Missouri in
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nineteen forty one. And you know, again, it just can't
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be anything else but the Cape Gerrodo crash. And it
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was a very real event. And I was going through
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some other research, and in my book, there's a man
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named Fletcher Pratt. He's a New York City newspaper reporter
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who stood up at a nineteen forty nine science conference
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and said, my military contacts have told me an alien
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space spaceship crashed in this decade in the forties and
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little humanoid, strange creatures of at least three feet in
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height were pulled out of it, and that it was
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the air and the atmospheric pressure that killed him. So
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again that sounds like Cape Jurdle or possibly Roswell, or
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maybe emerging of the two. But again we hear this
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atmospheric pressure or the oxygen level was just a killer
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for these guys. They weren't used to getting out walking around.
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I suppose General George Marshall was approached in the early fifties,
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according to a scientist who attended a conference in Mexico City,
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and he said, I asked General Marshall, what's up with
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these UFOs, these flying saucers. And the General was very
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candid with him and said, we've had three crashes, and
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in each case the atmospheric pressure in the air, they
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couldn't breathe it and they incinerated it from within. That
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they looked all right on the outside. But you know,
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this sounds just like Abe Gerardo. So then we get
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to another story that sure seems to fit the Cape narrative,
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and that takes place in Washington, d C. If you've
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read the book, you know another member of Roosevelt's cabinet
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was involved in that story. It was very famous. Secretary
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of State Cordell Hull, according to his cousin, took him
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to the steps of the Capitol building one day, apparently
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in the early forties and swore him to secrecy about
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what you're about to see. That sounds familiar. So they
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went in the Capitol and went down below many levels,
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below the street level, and down this corridor and to
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a storeroom and they opened it up, and inside were
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three glass jars with three dead aliens with the big head,
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black eyes, tiny little dots and you know, slip from out,
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long thin arms and legs floating in what appeared to
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be from albo hide as a preservative. And across the
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room were these boxes of metallic debris that Cordel hall
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so it was from a ship that had crashed. And
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he said, we have to keep this a secret. We
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don't want to set off a panic. So it's an
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exact description. There were no visible injuries reported on these
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alien bodies. What else could it be? And I got
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a phone call a few years ago on New Year's
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Eve from an elderly gentleman. He said, I want to
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confirm that story under the Capitol. I know because I
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saw it as a little boy. It was the last
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day of school and my father, who worked for FDR
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in the Bureau of Statistics and was a good friend
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to Cordel Hall, took me under the Capitol. We had
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lunch at the Senate Office Building, and then we went
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under the Capitol and down the storeroom, down the corridor
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to his storeroom and opened it up and he said,
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my father just said, oh, this must be some kind
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of storeroom. And he let me look at these three
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bodies and this metallic crash debris. So I think it
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was pretty obvious that his father, Stuart Arthur Rice, knew
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exactly what was in this room. He didn't register any surprise,
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you know, he knew exactly where the room was without
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an escort, and he wanted to show his son this
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historic case, but not tell him anything because it was
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a staid secret and he was probably afraid his son
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would blab. And so the old man told me in
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this phone call some years ago he since passed away,
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that his dad did show him this, and he saw it,
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and the whole thing is true. So where would you
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take Cape Girardo fines. After you hustled them out of there,
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the military scooped it up, took it to Sikeston to
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their airfield, probably overnight, probably put it on that bomber
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plane the next morning, and flew at East. But there
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was no Pentagon, no CIA, no NSA, no DA Defense Intelligence.
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Where would you hide this stuff? And that's where we
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get into the Freemason connection. Was a hardcore Freemason and
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they revere the Capitol building. It's even on the cover
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of Masonic literature. So again, Fdr and Hull, who used
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to serve in the Congress, and Harry Truman who served
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in the Senate and in the Congress, were all hardcore Freemasons.
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And where would you put this down below in the
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Capitol until the heat dies down? You never know what's
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going to happen next. I'm sure they were all keeping
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their eyes and ears open. And Harry Truman was the
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Grand Master Freemason of the state of Missouri, so I'm
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sure he found out pretty soon from either his government
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contacts or his Masonic contacts. And he had been in
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Cape Gerardo a number of times and even lived there
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in the year nineteen oh six when he got some
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military training in the National Guard and FDR had been
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to Cape Girardo in nineteen twenty, so you would think
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my hometown's the most obscure nothing place in the country.
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When I was growing up, it was just a sleepy
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little town. But I found out there was a lot
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more going on there, and it's an eye opening saga
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that I just wish would go more mainstream today and
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kind of push roswell for attention, you know.
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Yeah, you know, it's always those sleepy little towns that
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hold the biggest secrets in my experience.
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Before the break, Eric mentioned you know small towns and51600:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.799
the secrets that they have. I mean, I live in51700:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.720
North Dakota. The majority of the state is nothing but51800:32:26.799 --> 00:32:31.519
small towns. And I sent Eric a video of this51900:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.279
that I saw on TikTok and there's I mean, I52000:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.039
knew this was well before I sent this to him,52100:32:37.079 --> 00:32:41.519
But Devil's Lake is supposedly the home of probably one52200:32:41.519 --> 00:32:45.720
of the biggest cryptic cases that there are, so yeah,52300:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.119
the biggest. The funniest thing too, though, is that, you know,52400:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.279
anything that's in a small town, it's kind of swept52500:32:53.319 --> 00:32:57.160
under the rug. And Paul, you can probably attest to52600:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.799
us that it's not necessarily talked about. It's kind of52700:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.359
like hush hush, especially back in the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties,52800:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.160
even a lot today, especially here in North Dakota. You52900:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.839
don't talk about that. We you know, we don't talk53000:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.839
about that. That's that's not brought up. Is that kind53100:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.839
of true for Cape Gerardo as well?53200:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.200
I think somewhat. And if you did talk about it,53300:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.160
I'm sure people will at least think you're crazy. If53400:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.319
they were not familiar with this alien in spaceship crush landing.53500:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.799
Or you mean you were sworn to secrecy and you're53600:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.759
breaking your patriotic oath and talking about it. You know53700:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.440
what's wrong with you? So you really want to shut53800:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.920
up now. Reverend Hoffman said, two or three weeks after53900:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.319
the crash, there was a real atmosphere of fearing cape54000:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.160
that you didn't want to get into trouble. And that54100:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.720
newsman who took the little photograph with the box camera54200:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.480
came up to him on his front porch and said,54300:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.559
I've got a copy of this. I want you to54400:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.480
have a copy. And he handed over a copy of54500:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.359
that picture of the alien propped up under the arm arms.54600:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.160
So Reverend Huffman really didn't want it, but he held54700:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.119
on to it and eventually gave it to his son54800:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.880
for safe keeping. And the son moved to a small54900:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.320
town in Kansas where he fathered two or three children,55000:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.159
and one of them was his daughter, who eventually brought55100:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.960
out the Hoffman family narrative in the nineties. She said,55200:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.239
I saw that photograph at family parties at least a55300:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.760
dozen times, and it always creeped her out. It was55400:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.159
again the big, bulbous headed alien with big black eyes,55500:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.559
and it just scared her. As a little girl. She55600:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.039
got glimpses of the picture, she wanted to know more55700:34:36.119 --> 00:34:40.400
than I fully would not tell her. So the photograph55800:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.719
disappeared one day when a neighbor came over and asked55900:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.119
to inspect it closely and said, I know something about photography.56000:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.079
I'll just take this picture and bring it back later56100:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.599
after I examine it. And instead he skipped on. He56200:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.320
moved away. Within days or about a week later, he56300:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.440
was gone, and so was the picture. It makes you56400:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.679
wonder if the newsman who used that brownie camera had56500:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.960
made a copy, how many other copies did he have56600:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.639
and did he offer them around to other people that56700:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.840
he recognized from the crash site. So far, nothing has56800:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.000
turned up, and if you google it on the internet56900:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.480
you might see a recreation for a sci fi documentary57000:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.280
of a couple of local men farmers holding up a dead,57100:35:22.320 --> 00:35:26.360
creepy Lookmalian. But there was another US president I found57200:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.599
out who came to Cape Girardo in the nineteen twenties,57300:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.800
in the seventies, and as president in the nineteen eighties,57400:35:32.800 --> 00:35:38.440
and that's Ronald Reagan. His mentor was Reverend Ben Hill Cleaver,57500:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.280
and he took over as the pastor of a church57600:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.719
in Cape Girardo in nineteen twenty eight. I think from57700:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.760
my own great grandfather, Reverend ol Smith, who got transferred57800:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.559
to Saint Louis so Reagan's mentor. He just loved the57900:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.599
guy and was engaged to the man's daughter for a while.58000:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.920
Eventually fell apart and he went on to be a58100:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.639
radio man. But he visited Cape Girardo and came back58200:36:03.639 --> 00:36:06.400
as president and did something in town. He did give58300:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.840
a speech and mentioned how he used to come to58400:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.360
Cape Girardo. And there's a letter that has surfaced from58500:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.280
doctor Edward Teller, who was a friend of Ronald Reagan's.58600:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.239
It's from the early nineteen eighties and there's a comment58700:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.159
to many comments about the new star Wars missile defense58800:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.559
program that doctor Teller wanted in on. But he mentioned, quote,58900:36:29.719 --> 00:36:33.679
a menace greater than the nuclear arms race exists. It59000:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.639
does not originate here on Earth, but comes from space itself.59100:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.719
A danger was perceived in nineteen thirty nine, only two59200:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.800
years before a UFO was captured. Now what could that59300:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.880
be again? And he doesn't explain to Reagan what was59400:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.320
this UFO that was captured two years after thirty nine59500:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.239
and forty one, because I think Reagan already knew, probably59600:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.519
found out from his good friend, Reverend Ben Hill Cleaver,59700:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.679
who lived in nineteen seventy five before he passed away,59800:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.440
and he was a really good man. So Reagan is59900:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.920
quoted as saying in one document, I used to hear60000:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.760
rumors about this sort of thing when I was in pictures,60100:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.480
so that would have been, you know, the forties and fifties,60200:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.079
and it was probably something that could have been discussed60300:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.519
in a letter or a phone call from this cape60400:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.480
Chardo pastor who replaced my great grandfather. So again we60500:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.400
have all kinds of presidential stuff going on in this60600:37:31.480 --> 00:37:36.559
small town that was very heavily Masonic. Rush Limbaugh the60700:37:36.599 --> 00:37:41.000
first was a leading freemason in town, and he may60800:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.440
have told his son, and on his radio program, I60900:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.119
think a near two thousand, they had live call ins,61000:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.440
and a caller asked Rush Limba the broadcaster, what's up61100:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.280
with this UFO crash in your hometown, Rush, And he said,61200:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.000
you know, there's more to this story than you might think,61300:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.599
and then he moved on to the next column. He61400:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.280
left it intriguing. He didn't say, what a bunch of chunk,61500:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.840
that rumor's not true, Get out of here with that garbage.61600:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.199
But he could have said anything like that, but he61700:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.599
did not dismiss the story and instead made you think61800:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.880
that this thing was quite real, but he couldn't discuss61900:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.000
it with a kind of conservative audience. I wrote to62000:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.760
Rush and I didn't get a response. But he used62100:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.199
to be my little league umpire when I played ball62200:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.599
as a skinny kid long ago in Cape Girardo. He62300:38:29.719 --> 00:38:34.519
was just an obscure radio DJ named Rusty Saw, and62400:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.719
he need he needed to augment his income by umpiring62500:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.119
baseball games in the park. So he didn't tell me62600:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.239
then and he didn't tell Meny later as an adult,62700:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.559
but I think he knew plenty.62800:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.159
Yeah, well, I do have a quick follow of it.62900:38:52.199 --> 00:38:58.079
So you mentioned Ronald Reagan and that his mentor kind63000:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.360
of maybe told him. I've seen, especially in the past63100:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.840
few years, that there are presidents that are asked this63200:39:06.920 --> 00:39:14.079
question that are there aliens? Barack Obama, Clinton, There's been63300:39:14.119 --> 00:39:18.000
a couple of others and they don't right out say no,63400:39:18.719 --> 00:39:24.360
but they'll say I can't talk about this. You know,63500:39:26.840 --> 00:39:34.239
I've seen the files and no comment. Now, do you63600:39:34.320 --> 00:39:43.480
feel that they are under strict law or or rules, saying,63700:39:43.960 --> 00:39:50.400
just like the people that came across this UFO, yeah.63800:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.519
I would thank you. As presidents are right just exactly63900:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.000
as you say, or they give a flippant answer. I64000:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.960
can't tell you. If I did, I'd have to kill64100:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.000
you haha. Or we might be visit. It is possible.64200:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.760
Reagan was somewhat of an exception in his second term64300:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.880
where he didn't come to Cape Chardo. As president on64400:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.920
Air Force One, he would talk openly about, well, what64500:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.760
if we were facing an alien threat from above? And64600:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.639
he said this over and over and it used to64700:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.280
kind of irritate some of his handlers. He didn't want64800:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.599
him to bring it up, but he felt very strongly.64900:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.360
I'm learning more about this in my research for President65000:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.480
Reagan's Close Encounter is my next book. But he was65100:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.800
a good man and I think a pretty good president,65200:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.119
and he was square with people. He would just tell65300:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.039
you things honestly. But I think at some point, like65400:40:38.079 --> 00:40:42.239
you say, they're told don't talk about this. This could65500:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.480
start a panic royal the stock market, possibly lead to65600:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.320
economic depression, and people might quit their jobs or quit65700:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.280
their faith and they just have this notion that we're65800:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.400
all children who can't handle the truth, and we'll panic65900:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.719
in the streets. Look at the.66000:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.199
Orson Wells radio broad christ and what happened with that.66100:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.840
I brought that up in my book. That had to66200:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.199
have been another factor, that there was a bit of66300:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.400
a panic, a mild panic, and it was overblown by66400:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.679
Orson Wells in the press afterwards. But it was his66500:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.159
radio play War of the Worlds by H. G. Wells66600:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.400
that he claimed he was related to that. Orson Wells66700:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.320
put on this play about an alien landing on a farm,66800:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.880
a bunch of aliens getting out shooting people, and this66900:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.159
caused people to really ask what's going on. They didn't67000:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.599
seem to realize this was just a radio production. They67100:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.719
made it sound so very realistic. The HG. Wells book67200:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.000
from the eighteen nineties was set in London and Orson67300:41:53.559 --> 00:41:58.480
transferred it to Grover's Mill, New Jersey. But I'm thinking67400:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.880
that had to have been a factor that very night,67500:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.440
that like, well, we don't want to repeat of that again,67600:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.840
you know, so let's keep the lid on this story67700:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.599
for reasons of national security and to avoid any kind67800:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.840
of messy panic. That might royal the market, and we67900:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.880
were just climbing out of the depression of nineteen forty one.68000:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.480
It had been like over ten years of economic misery.68100:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.559
It's like the worst period of American history, frankly, very bleak,68200:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.800
very dismal, and no one wanted to go back to that. Right.68300:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.880
Well, now, was there any indication as to what it68400:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.599
was that was seen in thirty nine, two years before68500:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.239
the forty one incident? I mean, I feel like it's68600:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.159
a weird claim to say, you know that there.68700:42:43.119 --> 00:42:47.599
Was some danger, a danger was perceived in nineteen thirty nine. Well,68800:42:47.719 --> 00:42:53.639
what was that? Exactly right, I'm wondering. Here we go68900:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.519
into the Magenta story and supposedly the Germans Nazis had69000:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.639
gotten hold of a spaceship crash on their soil in69100:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.360
thirty six, and the Italians in nineteen thirty three, and69200:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.199
that a source from the Vatican told President Roosevelt through69300:43:12.239 --> 00:43:16.599
an intermediary that they have these crashed spaceships that they've69400:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.840
cracked down on about and even jailed reporters who tried69500:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.639
to report it. And if that's true, that might have69600:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.880
been told to FDR in thirty nine, and they felt69700:43:26.920 --> 00:43:28.920
there was a danger, and this is one of the69800:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.719
reasons why he cracked down on the Cape Drave story.69900:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.639
Maybe from the very beginning. No one has to write70000:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.320
about this or talk about it. We've got our own70100:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.440
possible secret weapon. It's something we can weaponize. And it70200:43:43.639 --> 00:43:48.159
makes sense that if FDR had one of these, he70300:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.800
didn't want the Nazis and the Italians to know, because70400:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.679
FDR was sure we're going to be at war with70500:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.679
Nazi Germany, and eventually we were. But it was the70600:43:58.880 --> 00:44:00.800
Japan that, of course tacked America.70700:44:01.719 --> 00:44:11.360
Right well, now, something that has been speculated for quite70800:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.840
a while, Eric and I have kind of speculated this70900:44:14.119 --> 00:44:17.800
just talking back and forth and stuff, is that you71000:44:17.840 --> 00:44:23.719
know that over the past several years, especially after Roswell,71100:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.800
technology has jumped drastically, and I would say even in71200:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.760
the past twenty years with cell phones and stuff like that.71300:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.599
Is there any indication that you've seen that we are71400:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.320
reverse engineering technology that we've found from these ships?71500:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.199
I would wager we are from the little bits and71600:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.559
pieces that I read. And then we get into Bob71700:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.599
Lazar who said he worked on one ship and there71800:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.159
were like eight others in various states of damage or71900:44:57.559 --> 00:45:02.000
being intact. And that you know, we have this recovered72000:45:02.119 --> 00:45:06.639
arsenal that our scientists are looking into. And David Grush,72100:45:07.079 --> 00:45:11.079
the intelligence operative who's now speaking out, said all of72200:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.519
these stories from what he hears, are true. We have72300:45:14.679 --> 00:45:18.199
bodies or biologics as he called them. And he said72400:45:18.199 --> 00:45:22.599
the Magenta Italian story from nineteen thirty three is true,72500:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.519
and he said, quote, we scooped it when American forces72600:45:26.559 --> 00:45:29.119
went into Italy in nineteen forty four and forty five.72700:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.800
We stole it away from Mussolini and the Italians and72800:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.639
shipped it home. They're crashed spaceship. And that would add72900:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.559
to what FDR referred to as these celestial wonders that73000:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.239
have come to us. So it's exciting to contemplate. But73100:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.679
I'm sure at first it was way over our heads,73200:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.159
and I think we're probably making some progress. Philip Corso73300:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.639
wrote the day after Roswell and said that we seeded73400:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.920
various corporations with their research labs technology that we got73500:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.639
from this Roswell craft, which he said was being manned,73600:46:05.280 --> 00:46:09.400
if you can use that term, by bio robots, and73700:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.800
that may have been what Cape Gjerarda was all about.73800:46:11.840 --> 00:46:16.599
They're biological robots that were seemingly somewhat fleshy, with brains73900:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.519
and lungs for breathing and eyes for viewing, and they74000:46:20.559 --> 00:46:26.039
would follow the preconditioned programs that a higher race had74100:46:26.079 --> 00:46:30.079
sent them out to undertake. You know, there was war74200:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.519
going on the Pacific and in Europe, and Earth was74300:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.920
a very dangerous place, so you might send out some lackeys,74400:46:36.960 --> 00:46:42.800
some replaceable stooges, these aliens that crashed, and you would74500:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.599
just say, well, there's plenty more in the lab and74600:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.199
the factory that we can replace both. And the humans74700:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.559
seized upon the crash remained so quickly that aliens couldn't74800:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.079
possibly come back and get it without turning it into74900:46:58.159 --> 00:47:02.159
a huge event, so we were allowed to keep it75000:47:02.280 --> 00:47:09.039
and examine it. Whether or not other crash stories are real,75100:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.119
I feel like a few of them at least are,75200:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.559
including Roswell. The Aztech New Mexico crash of forty eight75300:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.239
is very interesting and very possibly real. But you don't75400:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.880
hear about too many lately, and so you have to75500:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.079
wonder if aliens are changing up their technology, or they're75600:47:28.119 --> 00:47:32.159
doing less exploring, or we have to get into their75700:47:32.199 --> 00:47:35.239
minds and think what they might be thinking of planet Earth.75800:47:35.639 --> 00:47:40.159
Are we anymore or less dangerous now or less fascinating?75900:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.119
We were on the verge of the atomic age in76000:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.559
forty one. I don't know what could have caused the crash,76100:47:46.599 --> 00:47:49.880
but I get asked a lot, well, how come aliens76200:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.239
are so smart with these big brains and yet they76300:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.440
crashed like dummies on a farm field in Missouri. And76400:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.079
all I can say is they're not perfect. They're from76500:47:59.079 --> 00:48:03.000
another world, and they're not familiar with our electromagnetic forces,76600:48:03.000 --> 00:48:07.199
our gravitational field, our weather, and how to deal with76700:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.440
human beings that are shooting at you, maybe missiles or something.76800:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.760
So there's all kinds of factors they would not have76900:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.760
been familiar with, and if they had a mechanical error77000:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.079
or pilot error, they sure could have crashed. We have77100:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.880
well trained American pilots that crash in their airplanes then77200:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.280
and even now, and they're familiar with our gravity and77300:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.840
our weather patterns, and you know, all our computerization. So77400:48:31.400 --> 00:48:32.280
no one's perfect.77500:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.280
Really, I would say that too, like we have people77600:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.559
that are trained to fly in our officer and they77700:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.880
can't even do it sometimes just because of mechanical failure.77800:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.239
So yeah, yeah, well I find what I found interesting too,77900:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.280
is this is going to more speculative environment here. You know,78000:48:51.320 --> 00:48:57.079
there's this conversation over the decades about ancient technology. We're78100:48:57.079 --> 00:49:01.400
talking about pre Egypt even, and the hieroglyphs that show78200:49:02.239 --> 00:49:09.639
what we would call extraterrestrial pictures or UFOs within those pictures,78300:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.000
and now there's this discourse or that these people who78400:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.639
claim that these aliens are actually human beings that pre existed.78500:49:17.840 --> 00:49:23.559
Modern technology was destroyed and now we're rebuilding. And so78600:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.840
when we're thinking about, like when you said these robots78700:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.400
that seem to have a fleshy outside and whatnot, we're78800:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.559
looking at artificial intelligence starting to pick up and these78900:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.400
robotic entities that they're starting to build and they're becoming79000:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.519
more realistic. Do you think there's a possibility that the79100:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.199
technology we once had was destroyed in some weird world79200:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.440
event or something, and now we're just recreating the things79300:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.800
that we're once already here because of past humans that79400:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.920
are now considered extraterrestrial and living in outer space.79500:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.679
It's a mind blowing thought and a certain possible most79600:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.760
any explanation could be. We could speculate. Another possibility is79700:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.000
they come from another dimension and we're just now our79800:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.599
scientists are learning that we may be in a multi79900:50:12.639 --> 00:50:16.760
dimensional world. Then there's the physical world, the vastness of80000:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.639
the cosmos. If you ever study the stars and the galaxies,80100:50:20.639 --> 00:50:25.639
and it's mind numbingly huge. There's almost no chance we're alone.80200:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.159
And even if you have a thousand other races, some80300:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.559
of them could be advanced enough to travel here and80400:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.519
look around. So it really opens your mind when you80500:50:35.559 --> 00:50:39.079
start studying this sort of thing, extraterrestrials and all the80600:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.159
possibilities and what's coming in the future. I don't know.80700:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.480
I hear things about next year twenty twenty seven, some80800:50:45.519 --> 00:50:49.559
sort of big event, more revelations coming, and I certainly80900:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.960
hope to live to see it, but I've been disappointed81000:50:52.039 --> 00:51:00.280
so many times the government closure files they're really seeing81100:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.199
right now or big nothing burger if you ask me.81200:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.239
But they may be starting slowly and building our way81300:51:06.320 --> 00:51:07.800
up the next year, so we'll.81400:51:07.639 --> 00:51:12.920
See, yeah, yeah, And you know that's the biggest thing81500:51:13.199 --> 00:51:17.280
is it could be a combination of all of those81600:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.840
things too. Like like you mentioned, I'm hoping in our81700:51:22.880 --> 00:51:26.599
lifetimes we get to see it, because you know, I81800:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.960
grew up on Star Trek, Star Wars, a bunch of81900:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.760
science fiction and from a from a very young age.82000:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.199
I'm like, I think all of us look up at82100:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.800
the stars and realize there's something more out there than82200:51:42.000 --> 00:51:48.320
just us humans. So it it's gonna be interesting. Yeah,82300:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.000
I've seen the same theories that twenty twenty seven there's82400:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.800
something big coming. I've even been told by a very82500:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.639
close friend who's a medium say the same thing.82600:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.920
We had a medium on.82700:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.119
The show that also said the same thing.82800:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.360
So yeah, but what what exactly?82900:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.440
It's interesting thing, right, it is that even psychics today83000:52:16.599 --> 00:52:19.519
who who claimed to something big happening can't pinpoint what83100:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.079
it is. And so the question is is this just83200:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.840
you know, is it just your your is it a theory?83300:52:26.000 --> 00:52:27.760
Is it just something that you're feeling inside?83400:52:27.800 --> 00:52:27.960
You know?83500:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.320
What exactly is it? No one can pinpoint it. It could83600:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.000
be anything. It could be something related to uh the83700:52:33.039 --> 00:52:36.480
extra trestricals. It could be something related to humanity, related83800:52:36.519 --> 00:52:40.159
to the earth itself. How many people happened, They know83900:52:40.199 --> 00:52:42.679
that COVID was gonna happen. When it did, you know,84000:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.840
It's like there's these big events, life altering events. Uh,84100:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.639
I mean they come around, They've been around for the84200:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.760
you know the entire existence of the human race. We've84300:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.599
seen these same repetitions and so yes, I think in84400:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.920
some point something big is going to happen. But what84500:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.960
it is that's the big question, and we won't know84600:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.800
until it actually happens.84700:53:03.199 --> 00:53:07.239
Right, It's like a mystery novel. You gotta keep reading too, really.84800:53:09.119 --> 00:53:14.239
But we're makes you wonder if extrarestuels are just watching84900:53:14.280 --> 00:53:17.159
your TV to be like, Okay, we got to step in.85000:53:18.519 --> 00:53:23.239
It's gotten ridiculous enough. We are getting close to the end.85100:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.559
The one question I wanted to ask you before we85200:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.159
let you go is what what is your hope that85300:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.639
people take away from from this book.85400:53:33.039 --> 00:53:36.559
Well, I hope you'll find it enlightening and yes, entertaining,85500:53:36.719 --> 00:53:41.360
but the open minds for people around the world hopefully85600:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.480
to understand that we're not alone. And it's part of85700:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.960
like the Disclosure product program, you know, we have to85800:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.679
start thinking along the lines of not only are we85900:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.599
being visited by this gray race, but there may be86000:53:54.679 --> 00:53:58.760
several others, and they may be coming from another galaxy86100:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.920
or from another dimension, and they're able to use like86200:54:03.199 --> 00:54:07.519
a wormhole or a portal or a dimensional rift, and86300:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.800
there's just all kinds of ways they could come and go,86400:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.920
and all kinds of forms they can take. A good86500:54:12.960 --> 00:54:14.559
man to head on if you can get him is86600:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.800
Preston Demmitt. He's got all kinds of stories that he's86700:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.079
collected and includes many eyewitnesses who have seen the bodies86800:54:22.119 --> 00:54:27.360
and the crash in American hands in airfields, especially right Patterson,86900:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.840
and so all these stories I've heard and read so many.87000:54:31.880 --> 00:54:36.599
Now it's pretty obvious we're being visited and by a87100:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.800
wide variety of different creatures with different abilities. I can87200:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.880
go out my hallway right behind me in my apartment87300:54:43.920 --> 00:54:48.159
building and meet people who are friendly, some hostile, some87400:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.920
secretive and don't say anything. And I think it could87500:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.159
be the same way with aliens coming here. There's a87600:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.960
wide variety of personalities and agendas, and we just have87700:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.800
to go about our business, you know, not panic and87800:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.920
give up on your job or your education or your religion,87900:55:03.320 --> 00:55:08.119
and just open your minds hopefully, hopefully with the help88000:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.480
of my book, which you can get at any online88100:55:11.519 --> 00:55:14.320
book retailer. Awesome.88200:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.760
All right, Well, last question that we ask everybody where88300:55:19.760 --> 00:55:21.719
can everybody find you and find your book?88400:55:23.079 --> 00:55:26.159
You can go to my publishers at Llewellyn dot com,88500:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.800
or you can go to Barnesandoble dot com, Amazon dot com,88600:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.480
most any bookstore if you walk in and ask about88700:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.119
it to look it up and order it for you,88800:55:34.559 --> 00:55:36.679
or you can look it up online and go to88900:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.800
these sites on your own. And I try to cram89000:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.400
in as much fact and information as I can, and89100:55:44.599 --> 00:55:48.119
citations and references and where I got my data, and89200:55:48.679 --> 00:55:52.079
keep speculation to a minimum, but make it reasonable. And89300:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.920
I hope people will appreciate that it's full of facts89400:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.519
and not just a bunch of flimsy theories thrown together.89500:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.880
We hope that as well. So Paul, thank you for89600:56:02.920 --> 00:56:04.519
being on Paratruth you're born.89700:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.239
Oh, thank you for having me, gentlemen. It was a pleasure.89800:56:09.559 --> 00:56:14.480
Likewise, all right, folks, I hope you've enjoyed this conversation.89900:56:15.119 --> 00:56:18.480
Definitely check out the book The UFO Bombshell Before Roswell.90000:56:20.679 --> 00:56:24.559
We have so many different stories from things that happened90100:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.480
before Roswell that just did not come to fruition in90200:56:28.519 --> 00:56:34.159
the news, so I can considered really doing the research90300:56:34.280 --> 00:56:41.440
and finding other crashes, other stories, stuff like that. Something90400:56:41.480 --> 00:56:47.159
we ask our Paratruthers community on Facebook do you think90500:56:47.400 --> 00:56:53.960
the UFO cover up started before Roswell? Sixty six percent90600:56:54.079 --> 00:56:59.559
said yes, Roswell wasn't the beginning, Seventeen percent said maybe,90700:56:59.639 --> 00:57:04.800
but I need stronger evidence, one percent said no, Roswell90800:57:05.000 --> 00:57:09.360
is still the key case, and sixteen percents I've never90900:57:09.440 --> 00:57:15.159
heard of Cape Girardo before after listening to this episode.91000:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.159
I would absolutely love to hear if your opinion has91100:57:19.280 --> 00:57:24.599
changed after listening to this, So shoot us a comment91200:57:24.719 --> 00:57:27.400
and let us know, or you can email us Paratruth91300:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.000
Radio at genmail dot com, or even better, get into91400:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.679
the Paras Ruther's Facebook group until next week folks, where91500:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.519
you'll find us the same time, same channel.91600:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.519
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