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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we will talk to Alex
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Pettacow about his documentary Bigfoot Beyond the Beyond the Trail,
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The Return to Area A.
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Welcome. Well, well do Para Truth Truth.
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How's it going, Paratruthers. Welcome to a brand new episode
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of Paratruth Reborn. My name is Justin and I'm Eric,
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And as I mentioned earlier, we are going to be
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talking to Alex Pettacov about his documentary Bigfoot Beyond the
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Trail The Return to Area a Al.
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Welcome to Paratruth be Born. How's it going guys, Thanks
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for having me on. It was going really really good
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to us. We all had the matching gray shirt thing
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going on. It was not planned. I swear we were
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all psychically linked for this attis it would appear that way. So, Alex,
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for the listeners who may be discovering your work for
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the first time, what led you into investigating Bigfoot and
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producing documentaries about it? Yeah, it's a good question, I guess,
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just always a kind of a curiosity for the unknown,
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you know. I got into kind of cryptosology stuff from
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a young age. It was interested in the yetti that
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led into Bigfoot and other mysterious topics as well, other
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creatures locked mass I was always interested in that, and
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then I've always been really big into the outdoors, hiking,
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backpacking all across North America at this point, but you know,
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especially when I was younger, mostly the Appalachian Mountains in
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the northeast up here. I live in New Hampshire. I
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grew up in the state, and you have a lot
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of beautiful mountains, and I kind of gain an appreciation
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for that. Did some naturalism training back in the day
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and survivalism, and that really kind of sparked my interest
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further into just enjoying the outdoors and exploration and adventure.
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And then you know, kind of combining that with a
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passion for filmmaking and invest you're looking for bigfoot in
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these kind of wilded in these wooded wilderness areas. So
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that's kind of one thing led to another, and they're
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kind of like a trinity of factors, I suppose you
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could call it, you know, the love for outdoors, of filmmaking,
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and the search for the unknown. I think they kind
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of go hand in hand. So that's what kind of
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led me down the path that I guess I'm on
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right now as we sit here talking about it.
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Okay, we've actually had talked with small Town Monsters a
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couple of times. How did your partnership begin with them?
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Yeah? I actually came in contact with Seth Breedlove who
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found in small Town Nscers almost ten years ago now.
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Believe I did a short documentary, which is very terrible
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because it's ten years old at this point and you know,
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it's come along with I'd like to say I did
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a documentary about the Locknest Monster and it was based
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off a trip I took to Locknast, Scotland, just a
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short twelve minute film, and I remember Seth actually had
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reached out to me and said, hey, I really liked
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your film. I'd love to show it at they were
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doing this Minerva Monster Day event in Ohio and he
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was like, I'd like to show it at our event
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and I was like, oh boy, someone wants to screen
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this thing. I guess he really liked it, and we
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kind of struck up a friendship after that, and then
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he approached me a year or two later after that
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asking if I'd be willing to do a series for
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small Town Monsters called on the Trail of champ which
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was a documentary series looking at the Lake Champlain mystery
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in the Northeast in Vermont and New York, which has
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this kind of America's lockness as it's called, with the
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Lake Champlain Monster. And yeah, became friends with Seth. From
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that point on, we started working collaborating every once in
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a while, and then you know, I was working on
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a bunch of his films. I would do crew stuff,
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travel around with him some of the on the Trail
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of Bigfoot type films, Momo, the Missouri Monster, just that
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sort of stuff. And then in twenty twenty one we
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started a kind of YouTube specific series called Bigfoot Beyond
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the Trail or just Beyond the Trail, which was an
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open ended, just investigative documentary series following myself on some
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of my personal investigations into Sasquatch and related mysteries, just
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sort of running gun gorilla filmmaking style, very raw and
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just kind of getting out their boots on the ground
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sort of thing. And we've been doing that now since
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twenty twenty one. Can't believe it's already been basically five
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years at this point, but through that period, you know,
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been all across the United States and Canada, really all
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over North America in search of this mystery. So it's
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taken me from many, many states. I have two states
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left that I have not been to in the US,
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you know, in general. So that's it's been quite a
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journey so far. So that's kind of how I got
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involved with small Town Monsters. And I've done a few
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other series over the years of small Town Monsters too,
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but that's kind of primarily what I've worked on in
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the duration. Okay, now, I mean there's there's tons of
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documentaries out there, docuseries about Bigfoot. What makes the big
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Foot Beyond the Traill series different from Yeah, it's I
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think what makes it different is it's just it's very
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I don't want to use the word raw, because it's
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you know, it's obviously edited, it's not unedited. You know,
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it's just not ten hours of meat standing in the woods, Like,
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no one's gonna watch that, right. I think it's just
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if you appreciate just an honest investigation, no sensationalism. I
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present it how it is, like whatever happens happens, we're
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not adding in any Oh my god, did you hear that?
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hear anything, like none of that kind of stuff. I
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hate those type ofies. But yeah, that that drives me
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up well. And I understand why that's done because a
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lot of these you know, like network shows and they
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they're they're being edited by people who aren't really interested
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in these topics. They're just in their editors, right, and
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that's the fact and whatnot. Whereas I actually have like
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a genuine interest in the subject matter. It's not just
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a job for me. It's not just oh, I'm editing
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a bigfoot documentary and the next week I'll be doing
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a documentary about you know, storage wars or whatever. You know.
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It's not like you know that sort of thing. So yeah,
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just what sets it apart is just it's it's very
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boots on the ground. It's you know, I go to
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a location. For example, I just got back from Oklahoma
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and I'm doing a whole bunch of videos for for
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my Beyond the Trail series of you know, we go
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to an area I pick like a mountain range. I'm like,
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all right, I want to talk to local investigators, local witnesses.
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We go to the ground, we we spend time in
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the woods, we go visit the local museums, we talk
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to people who are involved in the subject, try to
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get access to know specific cases, that sort of stuff.
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So yeah, i'd say it's just if you again, if
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you appreciate the kind of the nonsensationalized sort of stuff.
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I really strive to keep it absolutely authentic at all times,
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and I would never want to compromise you know, what
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that what that is, and what that entails.
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Yeah, sure, but I think and I think that's awesome because,
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like Justin said, that's the one thing that's so frustrating
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about the big network shows is they're like, oh, listen
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to what we just heard, but then they have music
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playing over it, and it's like, what did we hear?
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You know? And then of course the one thing that
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always bothers me the most is, especially with the ghost
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documentors right go to the general investigations, is they want
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you to listen to EVP, but before allowing you to
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decipher what it is on your own, they put the
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word up there, and it's like your mind naturally makes
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that connection. It's like, well, you just feeding us information
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and we don't know if it's even accurate. So it's
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nice to have something that's raw that people can like
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feel as if they're they're doing the investigation too, and
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are witnessing it in a way in real time as
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you are.
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Yeah, I can understand the frustrations with that sort of
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approach because you're priming the audience, right. Another thing I
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really strive to do is just make sure to present information.
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And I always say it, don't take my word for it,
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do your like, make your own conclusion. You don't have
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to agree with anything I say. You know, I try
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to keep my documentaries interesting and educational, so we focus
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a lot on and this is something people have actually
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told me that have watched for years now. We get
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a lot of emails and messages people saying, you know,
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why they like the particular series is you know, I
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talk about like a specific mountain range or a specific
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area we're going to, and I really try to talk
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about some of the factors at play. You know, what's
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the geology like there, what's the habitat likes other species.
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Focus on those interesting elements and explain what And this
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is something actually I get quite a few times from
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people that live over in the UK. We have a
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lot of people from the United Kingdom that watch, and
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I get messages from them all the time where they're like,
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I never had any idea that Florida had wilderness areas
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like this right, or oh my god, I didn't know
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their New Jersey had millions of acres of forest land
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and New York State has huge amounts of forests. Because
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we go to these places that you know, people hear
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about New York or Florida and they think, oh, New
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York's all city, it's all urban. Florida, it's just Miami
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and Orlando. They don't understand it, you know, especially if
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they're not familiar with it, that these areas have these
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kind of habitats. And that's something that's been really cool
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for people that just aren't familiar with some of these
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spots that kind of like I've had one person tell
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me they've learned more about the geography of the US
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through watching my series than they ever knew of before.
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really cool. Again someone else from the UK, but that's
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been really fun. Just kind of when we do get
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you know, alleged evidence, whether it's audio or anything like that,
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I always stress like I, especially if it's audio, I
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didn't see what made it right, so I cannot say
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one hundred percent what it is. And I always try
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to get people outside parties to examine my audio. I'll
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give an example now. I I was on a trip
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in Texas and I got some kind of weird audio,
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and one of my first things I do is I
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send that to people I trust. I'm like, hey, what
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do you think about this? You know what is? You
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know what could this be? Because I'm not just gonna
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put I could easily just take that audio and slap
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it on screen and be like, could it be a bigfoot? Right?
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If it's if it's some other animal, I want to
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be able to determine that and talk about it. We've
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had hair samples in the past in some of my
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videos that we found and we send them in for
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like a microscopic analysis, and they come back as you know,
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we've gotten links before, We've gotten raccoon bear, that kind
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of stuff. So I always like to explain at the
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end you'll see us collect the mystery hair sample in
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the video, and then you know, I actually send that
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to somebody that does microscopic analysis and they come back
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to me with an answer, and then I actually can
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present like the screenshots from the microscope they have and say, hey,
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this actually turned out to be a links. You know,
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this is the importance of reaching out to people who
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have these specialized skills, whether they're in the scientific world
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or academic you know, that have these abilities that you
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might not. I mean, I'm not a scientist, right, I'm
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just a filmmaker and outdoor enthusiast. So I don't claim
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to be a scientist or anything like that. But I
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have no problem with reaching out to folks with those
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skill sets to try to get some of my evidence
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analyzed and looked at. And it would be so much
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easier to just say all this mystery stuff we get is,
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you know, it's very likely bigfoot, right, I don't think
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that's that's not the truth, though. I want to present
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people with the absolute accuracy of what I'm experiencing, what
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I'm finding out there, So right.
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shows that are on network TV, why do you think
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it is that they tend to lead people on into
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believing that what they're finding is truly bigfoot, even when
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they don't have significant evidence for it.
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Well, I think you know, those networks are not interested
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in the truth. They are interested in selling ad revenue,
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right or advertising space. That's kind of how they operate.
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involved in network television. You know, I studied film and communications,
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so I know people actually work in the industry too.
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researchers who do a lot of TV stuff, so they
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kind of first hand experience. So I hear from both perspectives,
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and it's it's just a job for them, right, Like
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a lot of these people, like a production company does
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a series on Bigfoot, the crew involved, you know, nine
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times out of ten, they don't actually care about the
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subject matter. As soon as hey, it's nine PM, our
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union hours dictate we can't work past this time, even
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though they could be in the woods and having activity
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going on right on the rare occasions, a giant crew
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with lights in the woods maybe having stuff happen. As
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soon as there are clock runs out for their union
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mandated time, I'm going to go back to the hotel.
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Whereas you know, that's when you know, if it's something
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I'm experiencing I'm going to be documenting it. But anyway,
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back to the the networks, I just think they are
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the intentionally mislead people, most of them. Unfortunately, a lot
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of these programs are like that. I'm not trying to
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slight anyone personally or anything. I'm just saying, be careful
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what you believe. I mean, there's been you know, like
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those mockumentaries right about Mermaids and other stuff that have
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come out over the years that are totally like misleading.
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But Pete and it's almost like a kind of the
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Orson Wells thing from back in the day with the
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War of the World's Right and reading it and you know,
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there was a disclaimer at the end, very very quick one,
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but everyone's already freaking out thinking, oh my god, this
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is real. Then I think, you know, again, most of
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these most of these networks are not really interested in
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the truth. They're interested in, you know, selling, selling ad space.
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That's kind of the motivating factor. So if they can
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keep people tuning in, yeah, and then obviously that model works.
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You know, there's plenty of successful television shows and that
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sort of thing, But now there's this independent media space
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where people we're kind of sick of that are able
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to do it themselves. And I think we had small
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town monsors have demonstrated that, you know, because we're all
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very interested in the subject matter. We're not just you know,
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it's an assignment, right, Like, we are actually interested and
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this is you know, I put a lot of effort
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in you know, personal blood, sweat and tears kind of
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thing into my series. So and then I always tell people,
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you know, make up your own mind. You don't have
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to believe me, you don't not to accept it, like
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do your own research. I would love to inspire people
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to get out there and do their own thing. And
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that's been really cool too, seeing over the years, I'll
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get people that will message me like it's an area
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six miles into the mountains of Utah and they'll send
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me a picture you remember this location from your video,
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like your video inspired me to come out here, and
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I'm like, oh my god, that's that's so cool. Right. Yeah.
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like I have buddies that they have like a local
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business that has some Bigfoot stuff, or they'll have a
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museum like Cliff Barrickman in Oregon. He's got the big
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the Bigfoot Museum. My buddy Robert App in Alaska has
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a Bigfoot Art Gallery, which is like a framing and
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matting business he does, but he's got like a Bigfoot
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art gallery section. He tells me almost weekly he's like, man,
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somebody came in and said they heard about this place
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from one of one of your videos, because we featured
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him quite a bit in there. And that's really cool too,
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that people get inspired to go support other you know,
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local and small businesses in that way based off of
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just like a common passion. So that that kind of
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it is, that part of it, I should say, is
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really rewarding and and really cool. So that's been I
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think that's a you know, not to get on a
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high horse or anything, but that's the difference kind of
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between like the indie stuff and what you maybe see
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on the on the TV, the really popular programs. For sure.
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That's why we love small town ouncers to mention. It's
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in our home state of Ohio too. So I think
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it's great that you guys are doing this work. And
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I've loved the documentaries that I've seen so far from
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you guys, so I'm glad that you're continuing on, especially
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after you know, the harsh things of twenty twenty and
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everything leading up to today. So the radiations for you
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guys keeping it up, thank you.
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Yeah, it's been you know, it's been a strange, strange
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decades so far. But you know a lot of times too,
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I'll get people that will tell me, you know, watching
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when my videos come out or any of the small
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Town Monsers videos, because we have videos that come out
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on YouTube, and we also have films that we run
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through annual Kickstarter of year that come out on like
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different platforms as well, or Kickstarter backers get the films,
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they'll say, you know, these are like the highlights. This
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is kind of like my distraction from all the craziness
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and just you know, life stuff in general. So that's
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really cool too to know that people they kind of
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really live vicariously through some of the adventures and they
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enjoy it in that way too, in like a meaningful
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way and not just and like an arbitrary I'm just
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watching this in the background kind of thing.
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Right, So what exactly is Area A and why has
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it become such a focal point for bigfoot research?
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Yeah? Area A is one of those places that's just
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I think about it almost daily, so I'll kind of
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give a little quick backstory. Area is a sort of
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code name given to a location up in Alaska on
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the Kenai Peninsula, which is this large peninsula in kind
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of South Alaska, south of Anchorage, and the kind of
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the populated area, it's about the size of the state
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of Maine, give or take the peninsula itself, and it
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has so many different habitats and interesting areas. They kind
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of call it like mini Mini Alaska or Alaska's playground.
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A lot of people go there and kind of do
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all kinds of recreation outdoor stuff as very interesting habitats
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all across, like I said, but what most interesting is
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the coastal rainforest found along the mountains there in the
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coastal areas, and it goes hundreds thousands of miles I
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don't know. I mean, it's all these giant bays that
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jut in and there's just mountains that rise out of sea,
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and you have these temper rainforests that are akin to
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what you find in British Columbia, Washington State, and all
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the way to the Redwoods in northern California. It's part
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of that kind of Pacific coastal temper rainforest chain. So
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for many years, areas like that have conjured up stories
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of what they call the hairy Man up there. But
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with these sass clutch like beings mysterious occurrences all up
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and down the Keen Eye Peninsula. You've got the famous
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incident Port Chatham Port Lock, which is the very tip
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of the Keen Eye Peninsula. A lot of debate about
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what happened there, but that is obviously one of these
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kind of famous incidents. But Area A is just again
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it's a code name for one specific area. A friend
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of mine he had built a remote property out there,
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basically just had built a cabin to go hunt and
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fish at. And it's over an hour to get there
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by boat in a very remote area, so just getting
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there is difficult in itself. And he'd built a cabin
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out there and basically started having strange things happen from
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getting to the location after buying the initial property and
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then building a cabin. They had kind of the typical
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stuff you hear with a lot of the sasquatch reports
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you had. They witnessed rocks being thrown at them. They
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would see rock like one of the stories was a
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horizontal or a rock flying out of the woods horizontally.
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They'd hear knocks, whistles, strange roaring type sounds, rocks kind
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of landing near them. And then subsequently, as they built
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this cabin, they'd bring other people out to help work
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on the cabin and everyone kind of experienced little things,
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and eventually the place was kind of named Area A.
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American Wood Ape Conservancy. They got involved. I believe they're
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the ones that named it Area A, but it kind
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of stuck. People thought, oh, Area Alaska, Area Ape. There
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was different kind of ideas of why, you know, why
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why why they should call it that, and that kind
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of just stuck. So I'm not the one that originated
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the name, but I've certainly continued to use it because
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it just sounds cool, you know, right if you love
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the good company. Now, like the North American Wood Ape guys,
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they have an area and in southeast Oklahoma called Area X,
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and that obviously has very kind of connotations to it,
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Area X, even though I think it was just because
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they had an X, Y and a Z for the
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research areas, and X happened to be the one that
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was the most productive. You know, it sounds like X files,
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but I was recently near there or two down in
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that area. But anyway, back to Area A, I've been
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now three times, and I've had some interesting things happen there,
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and I've just heard the stories from a variety of
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people that have gone over the years and friends of mine,
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and you know, my my friend who's the property owner
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is had a lot of strange stuff happen.
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Okay, what a like of all the places around the
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US have been What made you decide that it was
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actually worth turning back to Area A for the documentary.
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Well, it was just the first trip out. We took
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a trip out there in twenty twenty two, and I
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had known the proper room for about a year. Until then,
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we'd communicated about some of the stuff that he had happened,
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and it just so happened, you know, able to wind
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up to go in twenty twenty two, that's when I
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ended up going. And we went out that first week
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and we had quite a few interesting things happen, and
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of course I thought, man, I want to come back
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out here. You know, this is a lot of times
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you go to these places and nothing happens right is
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very quiet, but out here our first week, we had
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a bunch of interesting things happen. Now I can't say
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any of it was definitively Sasquatch. It all kind of
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fits the purported behavior, if we want to call it that.
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But you know, we had like an instance where we
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were up sitting around this fire pit that's up on
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this kind of like ledge area in the woods up
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from this cabin. And you know, it's about three four
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in the morning. It's in May, so it's that time
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of year where it's starting to get between extreme darkness
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and then extreme light. So it never really got fully dark.
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It would kind of be like this dusk, it would
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get dark there in the trees because you're in these
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really thick undergrowth with you know, all kinds of Devil's
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Club and different temperate rainforest plants there. And we're just
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sitting there making jokes, you know, sitting there for hours
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doing a fire and we start hearing these kind of
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these kind of wood knock sounds, and that kind of
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catches our attention, and then we start hearing what sounds
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like rocks being thrown into the water. But it would
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kind of hit debris along the way and then smack
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against the rock shore and then KerPlunk into the water.
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So it wasn't like it was just a water splash,
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because that could be a seal or something else kind
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of having fun in the water. It was like hold.
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It was like a series of events. And this happened
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for a little bit, and there were these wood knocks interspersed,
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kind of wood knocking type sound. Is it communicative thing?
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Class A sasquatch sightings where people either hear wood knocking
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or rock clacking before the sighting or after the sighting.
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During the sighting. There's a I've document at least like
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twenty six reports that involve that. You know, so where
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there's many encounters where people allege where they just hear
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wood knock kind of things. I've heard that too. But
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you know, unless you actually see it, you can't be
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one hundred percent certain what was producing it. So that's
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why I say, even what we encountered, I don't know
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what it was. But that was very interesting because you know,
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it's just you're just sitting there in the dark, and
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then all of a sudden, this just happens for a
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few minutes and it just dies down, and we're scanning
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with thermal units looking around. We don't see anything, but
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of course it's very tricky terrain. There's a bit of
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a hill above us, so we thought, okay, man, one
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of the chances that something was rolling down the hill,
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and maybe there's a rock roll down the hill. But
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the problem is that entire habitat is covered with this
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spongy layer of moss. You can literally lay in the moss.
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just lay back in the moss and it kind of
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like absorbs your body weight. And we would and the
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only rocks you have are down by the shore, by
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the ocean, and we're kind of up a little bit,
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you know, maybe forty fifty feet from that shore, and
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then there's a ridge above us, and there's not any
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rocks or anything. You can't you have to really dig
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under the moss to even finding rocks. The only ones
477
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.319
in large piles are down by the by the shore.
478
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So we try, Okay, let's take one of the fire
479
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pit rocks and try to like throw it or roll
480
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it down the hill and see we start. We did
481
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.319
a couple of times there some experiments. We throw the
482
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.880
rock and it just kind of rolls down silently and
483
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.359
it just gets snabbed on anything, and there's no obvious sound.
484
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:56.880
The only thing we really got to match it was
485
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.559
like trying to overhand throw it and get it to
486
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.960
hit the the rock shore before it then smashed into
487
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.440
the water and makes that kind of cerplunk sound. Now
488
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.519
on overnight audio we had to happen on quite a
489
00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:10.559
few occasions, but that was a kind of an interesting
490
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.119
incident of that first trip. And then the night after
491
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.319
that we camped on the ridge where that happened, or
492
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.599
we flopped maybe the sounds were coming from, because it
493
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:21.680
sounded like it was a little to our right and
494
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.759
that's kind of hugs the water, and then you've got
495
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.960
this ridge. So he said, all right, let's camp on
496
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.400
that ridge. And that night was like the only night
497
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.119
it rained during that first week out there. We were
498
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.079
getting a little bit of a like pitter patter of
499
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.839
rain and then it would subside. It was it was
500
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.839
not like torrentially, it was just a sprinkling and then
501
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:39.920
it would stop. But that night a couple of us,
502
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.599
there was three of us actually there. I waken a
503
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.559
time with another guy and there was another guy right
504
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.160
wells we were hearing it sounded like something moving around
505
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.960
and swomping, and you hear you knock, and you hear
506
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.480
that same kind of locked sound, and I was kind
507
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:56.599
of trying to position myself to get my formal out
508
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.000
to be able to peep over the seep there's anything
509
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.640
going on, But the where where we had our can
510
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.640
set up, it was like they's just moss kind of
511
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.119
embankment right above me. So I couldn't the review of much.51200:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.119
And this went on for a bit, but there'd be51300:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.039
also rain in the teams would be kind of drifting off.51400:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.240
I have to see if nothing's happened full there when51500:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.200
we hear another kind of the knock and the distance51600:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.920
and then the rain starts and can't hear anything. And51700:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.200
that happened, and then the next night after that we51800:26:27.279 --> 00:26:31.359
can't win that same lidge didn't hear anything about story.51900:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.640
All we heard were sea lions hanging in the bay.52000:26:35.440 --> 00:26:36.759
There have a lot of sea lions out there, and52100:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.799
they can make people work kind of crazy sound, so52200:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.640
they will here one work a sploor Balloyd's and then52300:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.759
five respond in the other bay, and like, you know52400:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.279
that we hadn't heard that at all the night before52500:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.839
that or any other nights, but freaking curtsia. Once you52600:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.759
kind of feel like where it is, it makes sense,52700:26:54.839 --> 00:26:58.960
but no other mysterious sounds that second night. And and52800:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.279
it's this you're looking hand frint pressed up against the52900:27:02.279 --> 00:27:07.319
slide of the metal fabin, an unusual place for it53000:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.079
to be a look a little bit large, and it53100:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.440
definitely had dermal ridges kind of climates and humans have53200:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.839
sure that wasn't a moose or a ver multener. It53300:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.319
was either a human or something human like a lot.53400:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.279
So we had somebody with on the police skills. You know,53500:27:24.279 --> 00:27:28.440
I'll be able to watch mample from that, and you know, all53600:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.160
sent it off for pssing with a project called Legendique53700:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.680
Science Foo And you're still awaiting any calm. This dissult53800:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.799
on all that's been before years. And also I don't53900:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.000
know the status on that, but now a lot kind54000:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.599
of happened that first week, but we thought was interesting54100:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.400
enough that I'll definitely want to return again. So I54200:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.640
went back the next year after that, which is twenty54300:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.839
twenty three with the impension of stain for two weeks.54400:27:53.319 --> 00:28:00.000
The in the wroll and prettymature. Nothing completely totally different,54500:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.680
also rained most of the common you had very head54600:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.640
and rained that entire trip. You know, we found some54700:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.799
kind of interest open footprints and did some three scans54800:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.720
of those with a you know, it was greedy apps54900:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.480
and the phones really had not much happened in the55000:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.400
regard of mysterious thing because if it goes to rain55100:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.880
or not, but it just goes to show you can55200:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.359
go to a location and it's not like every time55300:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.960
we go somewhere there's something that happened. Two weeks like55400:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.279
that was a long time out there and he barely55500:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.759
heard anything. We pried our bats to exports into the55600:28:35.799 --> 00:28:41.000
areas and really get out there, but nothing really unusual55700:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.720
to apport from that second stuff. And then my third55800:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.279
trick of this plastunnel and went out for a week again.55900:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.640
First day we heard some strange kind of rock sound56000:28:52.880 --> 00:28:54.480
and then the rest of the trip was pretty quiet56100:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.200
again and it rained a lot there where it's a56200:28:58.319 --> 00:29:03.680
rainforest in Alaska, till weather usually doesn't floperate, but you know,56300:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.160
being in contact with the property owner. They can't get56400:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.920
out there a year round as well. It's only with56500:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.440
the spring of the fall for the winter months the56600:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.559
water walk it's a milder and that part of the56700:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.759
Alaskan coast, and it would be say inland where they56800:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.039
get that really kind of deep cold. It stays a56900:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.839
little bit more mild and less snow on these coastal areas.57000:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.880
So but the weather, you know, in terms of waves,57100:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.759
can be really rough, so it's very tough to get57200:29:31.759 --> 00:29:33.960
out there. But you know, just being in touch with57300:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.440
the property owner every time he has something interesting happened,57400:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.799
he would let me know, like, hey, we we heard57500:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.519
another one of those mystery gunshots sounds, or you know,57600:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.559
we we saw something kind of like duck down and57700:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.599
run off really quick. Like there's been a couple of57800:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.759
possible sightings of strange stuff there. But yeah, it's just57900:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.200
kind of a whole whole host of stuff. I mean,58000:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.839
that's kind of the summation I suppose of why we58100:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.000
find it interesting out there. A lot of these stuff58200:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.799
that's reported that's happened is kind of documented taking place58300:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.160
elsewhere with alleged sasquatch kind of activity over the years,58400:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.160
So it just seemed like, for whatever reason there was this,58500:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.000
they weren't a fan of the cabin. I don't know.58600:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.720
I'm assuming you know, kind of when it was first built,58700:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.359
there was a bunch of stuff that happened in subsequent years,58800:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.519
But then it'll be one summer where very little happens,58900:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.759
and then next summer it'll kind of start up again.59000:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.839
There doesn't really seem to any rhyme or reason to59100:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.400
kind of the pattern that goes on out there. I mean,59200:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.359
some of the more recent stuff from last the past59300:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.160
two summers were because he was building a couple more59400:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.440
smaller cabins out there, and that seemed to reignite a59500:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.839
little bit of the activity. I don't know if you59600:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.680
know that has obviously some kind of correlation, which it59700:30:46.759 --> 00:30:51.000
might not theorize it does, but I can't be certain.59800:30:51.039 --> 00:30:52.200
Of course, that.59900:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.000
Would be very interesting considering like when you think of60000:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.799
paranormal investigations in paranormal or huntings in general, like how60100:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.880
often we tend to come across people who've found paranormal60200:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.480
activity ignite because of renovations.60300:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.759
Being done in a house sort of add ons and60400:31:08.799 --> 00:31:09.400
things like that.60500:31:10.519 --> 00:31:15.279
So the thought of like possibly you know, him building60600:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.480
more cabins. Igniting more activity would be really intriguing in60700:31:19.480 --> 00:31:21.720
that sense, especially when there are people out there who60800:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.519
think that Bigfoot isn't necessarily even a physical being anymore.60900:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.559
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's hard to say, of course, right,61000:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.799
there's different theories of well, what what could be going on?61100:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.119
People think doesn't even exist, right, there's a lot of61200:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.000
there's a lot of speculation. I mean, if we're going61300:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.839
to approach it from kind of let's say hypothetically it61400:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.400
is some sort of relic, hominid, kind of flesh and61500:31:46.440 --> 00:31:51.240
blood creature, maybe you're encroaching on its terrain, so it61600:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.240
has to show some kind of aggressive display. Some of61700:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.759
the first things they had happen out there were, you know,61800:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.759
these rocks being thrown. You know, we interviewed one guy61900:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.160
who was like a kind of like a contractor that62000:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.359
the property owner brought out there, and you know, the62100:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.319
idea was, oh, you come out with me for the weekend,62200:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.079
help me work on the cabin. You get a fishing62300:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.079
trip and a camping trip and like a beautiful Alaska62400:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.440
wilderness trip out of it. Right, we wouldn't do that,62500:32:14.359 --> 00:32:15.640
you know, just do a little bit of work and62600:32:15.640 --> 00:32:17.440
one of the guys, I think he was an electrician.62700:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.400
He was doing some work and we actually interviewed him62800:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.920
in the first Alaskan Coastal Sasquash documentary which came out62900:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.319
in twenty twenty two. He talked about, you know, they're63000:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.519
all sitting there kind of hanging out at the fire,63100:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.200
and then like rocks just come kind of flying, like63200:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.839
small pebble kind of things come flying and land near them,63300:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.240
and they're like, I mean, where is this coming from?63400:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.359
Kind of thing. They would find I'm going to see63500:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.240
if I can get off my desk here without knocking everything over.63600:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.880
They would find these strange netted rocks actually in their boat,63700:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.079
so they would before they'd built a cabin, they would63800:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.079
moor the boat out in the bay because of or63900:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.000
not wanting to sleep, just intense exposed with brown bears,64000:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.680
you know, very dangerous on the shore, so they would64100:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.519
put their boat out in the bay. They would then64200:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.599
come in on a like a dinghy little zodiac type64300:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.720
thing raft, come out, do work clear the land, and64400:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.519
then go back and spend the night in the cabin64500:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.440
or not in the cabin and the boat. Excuse me.64600:33:13.839 --> 00:33:15.759
There were a couple occasions where I guess they found64700:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.079
where they were on the shore and they thought they64800:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.640
heard the door of the boat slamming by itself, so64900:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.160
they're like, oh, that's kind of strange. And upon returning65000:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.599
to harbor later hosing off the boat, they would find65100:33:26.640 --> 00:33:31.440
one of these stones inside the boat a couple hundred65200:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.839
yards out from shore, and they would find this in there,65300:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.000
like who put that in there? And these are rocks65400:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.039
that are actually found all over the place on the65500:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.240
shore there. This is one that I dug out from.65600:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.319
They're buried in the moss. What it is is these65700:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.880
were used by fishermen back in the day. It's just65800:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.480
a little stone in a plastic net, and you'll find65900:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.880
piles of them all along the beach. I mean, they're66000:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.640
actually they've been there for so long they're actually buried66100:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.039
under the moss. We've had to dig some of them66200:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.240
out even the summer. You know. We bring them long66300:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.440
as souvenirs. I brought a whole bunch of them. I66400:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.240
give them to friends as kind of like a Alaskan66500:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.720
squash rock something as we kind of call them. It's66600:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.320
sort of funny, but yeah, these were just because they66700:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.000
didn't want to use leather metal stones were cheap. They're66800:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.679
all over the place. Take one of those and then66900:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.199
use them for their fishing nets to kind of weigh67000:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.440
them down. At least that's what we think. And you'll67100:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.400
find them all along coast of Alaska. And maybe there67200:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.599
was an old community there as well. That's one of67300:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.280
the ideas, you know, maybe just randomly fishermen pulling off67400:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.679
and saying, yeah, this is where I'm going to build67500:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.599
some of these rocks. And they left a pile there67600:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.679
and it's now buried under the moss. And then they again,67700:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.079
these are the kind of rocks that they used to67800:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.320
find in their boat that they believe were actually thrown67900:34:39.360 --> 00:34:44.079
in there. And yeah, so that's why I have that68000:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.679
as kind of a souvenir. But yeah, again, just kind68100:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.920
of some of the reported behavior, the hearing these knocks,68200:34:50.960 --> 00:34:56.280
these mystery gunshots, sounding noises, whistles, whoops, vocalizations. One of68300:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.800
the strangest ones was this baby crying sound, which I've68400:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.159
heard before with a with alleged bigfoot cases. I've heard68500:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.760
it for other paranormal things too, but I don't really68600:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.960
investigate a lot of that myself. So what's really interesting68700:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.800
is there's been a couple occasions where this baby crying68800:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.159
sound has been heard. One of the first ones was68900:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.480
there was women on the president on the property, and69000:35:18.559 --> 00:35:20.119
I believe it was one of the first years, and69100:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.320
the property owner kept a journal of strange events, and69200:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.719
he made a note, you know, women had he brought69300:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.559
out there, said hey, you know, we heard this baby69400:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.519
crying sound and they had never really heard that before,69500:35:31.519 --> 00:35:33.559
and he made a note of it. And then I69600:35:33.559 --> 00:35:35.519
guess on another occasion, I think it was a year69700:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.920
or two after that, women there and also that were69800:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.440
brought you know, wives and friends that kind of thing,69900:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.400
were blueberry picking independently and they both heard some kind70000:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.119
of baby crying sound. Eventually kind of reported to each70100:35:50.119 --> 00:35:51.920
other and then told the property owner and he said, well,70200:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.119
I have an audio recorder out there. You guys reported it.70300:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.519
We have it on audio, and they have this audio70400:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.400
clip of this baby crying sound, which is very weird.70500:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.639
I don't know what it is. I mean, I for70600:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.360
all kinds of theories. Oh it's a fox, it's a porcupine.70700:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.400
It's one of these, because animals can make strange noises,70800:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.239
right that, you can't discount that. But of all the70900:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.760
times they've been out there, it's mostly men because it's71000:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.639
guys going fishing and you know, kind of getting away71100:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.440
from from responsibilities in their lives, just sort of going71200:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.840
out for the weekend having fun. And they've really never71300:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.039
heard that kind of sound. It's only happened on the71400:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.320
few occasions women have been taken out there. And the71500:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.360
Alaska Natives, the Clinkets, they have folklore of what's called71600:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.400
the Kushtaka or the land otter man. I mean that71700:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.000
sounds kind of the imagery there sounds very weird, but71800:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.840
it's described from what I understand what I've been told71900:36:43.960 --> 00:36:48.480
as a this hairy manlike creature that's seen swimming between72000:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.559
islands and bays and that sort of thing. And if72100:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.960
you know anything about coastal parts of Alaska and British Columbia,72200:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.559
and I've heard this from folks in these areas, they72300:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.519
you know, they'll be out in the middle of nowhere,72400:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.280
going between the mainland and an island chain, and there's72500:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.639
a lot of these islands all over the place, Southeast72600:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.320
Alaska Peninsula, all these areas, British Columbia, and they'll come72700:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.599
across Elk swimming between mountain lions, black bears, they'll come.72800:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.719
They'll be swimming from the mainland to these islands sometimes72900:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.800
miles apart, really kind of surprising. And there's stories supposedly73000:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.840
that this that sasquatches have been seen doing the same thing,73100:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.639
swimming between islands and different areas. And so that's where73200:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.400
I guess this lore of this kushtaka thing comes from73300:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.559
the land otterman because it's a hairy manlike creature that73400:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.079
seems swimming, but it also produces a sound of a73500:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.800
baby crying to lure women in so so is the73600:37:42.840 --> 00:37:47.639
lore right, So, I don't know, kind of a very73700:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.199
intriguing sort of precedent. You know. We try to disprove73800:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.039
that by we had a female researcher with us on73900:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.039
one of the trips, on the second trip out there,74000:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.800
and again that was the trip where we don't really74100:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.800
hear much at all, and we had her singing and74200:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.480
all kinds of stuff, just to see like, hey, is74300:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.519
there any anything this might conjure, you know, because four74400:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.519
guys sitting in the woods with guns, you know what,74500:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.679
that's probably gonna put off a very different vibe than74600:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.880
you know, woman singing or doing something, you know, just74700:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.880
a sound of voice, you pheromones, all kinds of stuff.74800:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.400
So we try and we never really experienced anything of74900:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.400
note with that. But again, that baby crying sound has75000:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.679
really only been heard on a couple occasions when when75100:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.119
were there. I just think statistically it's a little weird.75200:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.400
You would imagine if it's just some random animal that like,75300:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.800
you'd at least hear it another occasion of all the75400:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.079
times those guys go out there, But it's not the case.75500:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.719
So that's probably one of the more intriguing and bizarre75600:38:44.400 --> 00:38:48.360
parts of of the whole area A kind of story. Now,75700:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.800
I gotta say, of course, as I always say, you know,75800:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.360
I don't we don't have a proof of what's doing75900:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.920
this or whether it is SaaS question or now this76000:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.000
is obviously all just kind of theorizing and you know,76100:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.760
basing it off of previous profiles of behavior. But whatever's76200:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.480
going on, there's something mysterious. I don't know what it is,76300:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.960
or if it's some physical entity or something, but something76400:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.000
unusual is happening. And what's really interesting is, you know,76500:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.320
a lot of these really credible reports in my opinion,76600:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.639
of sasquatch encounter, some of the ones that come to76700:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.760
mind my top ten. None of these people really looking76800:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.199
for it. It's just they happen to be in rural76900:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.199
or wilderness areas, whether they were working as a park77000:39:29.280 --> 00:39:34.960
ranger or just camping, hiking, hunting that sort of thing, fishing,77100:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.760
and they had an encounter there was they weren't actually77200:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.840
seeking it. You know, there's been people who have claimed77300:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.760
to have had encounters while looking for bigfoot, sure, but77400:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.599
I'm talking about just the kind of the most most77500:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.119
interesting eyewitnesses to me are the ones that don't that77600:39:48.199 --> 00:39:49.639
We're just I don't know if it's the right place,77700:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.719
right time, or whatever the case may be. And this77800:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.159
is certainly the case of the area a you know,77900:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.960
I know the property owner very well. He just wanted78000:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.559
to build a cabin and have fun and you know,78100:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.360
have a play to kind of spend time with friends78200:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.400
and family, and this all this stuff started happening. Like78300:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.960
he never wanted any of this stuff, and he really78400:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.920
doesn't like a lot of attention from it as well.78500:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.920
So he's been gracious enough over the years to allow78600:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.400
us access to go out there and research and you know,78700:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.360
do our filming and see what's going on. But you know,78800:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.920
this is not something like he's he's trying to turn78900:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.519
this into some kind of, you know, a thing. It's79000:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.880
just it is what it is right right right now.79100:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.000
There's been huge debate over whether Bigfoot is biological or79200:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.159
something more mysterious altogether.79300:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.599
Where do you fall on that spectrum? You know, I79400:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.920
never fully commit. I mean, I am definitely I would79500:40:42.920 --> 00:40:48.079
say more on the kind of relic hominid, which I79600:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.079
guess would be sort of flesh and blood. I mean,79700:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.880
I don't know, I think because there is allegedly, you know,79800:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.199
there's all these alleged footprints and hair samples and rocks79900:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.559
being thrown, that sort of stuff. That's like a physical80000:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.960
man festation of some kind of phenomena. So that's what80100:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.000
I lean towards. And if you look at there's a80200:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.039
precedent for hominids existing, like we are an upright, somewhat80300:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.079
hairy some of us more than others, a species of80400:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.960
upright hominids, right like, that is a established fact given80500:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.719
by us. Whereas you have other non bipedal primates chimps, gorillas,80600:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.960
rank tanks, that sort of thing, A lot of the80700:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.719
lesser primates too, So there's a precedent for that sort80800:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.639
of thing. I don't know. A lot of people talk80900:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.960
about some of the more paranormal aspects of alleged Bigfoot sightings.81000:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.320
I don't know. I don't really look into that a81100:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.519
whole lot, because majority of the sightings, in my opinion,81200:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.079
are pretty mundane, like people. A very common type of81300:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.639
sighting is people saw across the road, like, oh, I81400:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.159
saw something across the road. There's nothing inherently paranormal. I81500:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.679
guess about that in terms of just what they're witnessing,81600:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.360
like there's no other weird details. I think a lot81700:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.960
of the paranormal details nowadays stick out because in a81800:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.360
world where we're inundated with podcasts, tons of shows about81900:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.880
these sorts of things, everyone's looking for the next crazy,82000:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.000
big story. And if you've just got ten witnesses that82100:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.440
just say, yeah, across the road or we saw it82200:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.119
near our camp in itself, you know, that may not82300:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.280
be a very interesting sighting as opposed to somebody claiming82400:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.400
there was UFO was involved, and all this other kind82500:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.559
of stuff that's unverifiable just sort of happening going on.82600:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.280
That makes for more compelling and interesting story. So I82700:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.320
think that's why a lot of those stories get more82800:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.079
prominence than maybe like the mundane stories that just kind82900:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.920
of fit the data set. But I don't know. I83000:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.079
can't say one hundred percent. I don't there's really no experts.83100:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.360
I'm surely not an expert. I really just try to83200:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.119
go off of my experiences and the people I've talked83300:42:42.119 --> 00:42:43.960
to and come to trust.83400:42:43.719 --> 00:42:43.960
And.83500:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.360
I don't know, the debate will probably rage until you83600:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.440
know there is some sort of physical specimen or there's83700:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.239
some other way to substantiate it. I really don't know.83800:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.840
I just again, I really try to stick to my83900:42:57.039 --> 00:43:01.559
experiences and my investigations. And you know, an area, there84000:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.480
haven't really been any other strange things reported from what84100:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.880
I understand. People haven't seen orbs or any other weird84200:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.039
lights that sometimes gets associated with other areas that have84300:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.199
a history of activity. And it's all been pretty standard84400:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.880
rock rocks being thrown, and we heard some knocks, you know,84500:43:18.920 --> 00:43:21.079
we heard a tree crash, and then we looked up84600:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.079
in that area and we possibly saw something duck, you know,84700:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.320
and like that that sort of stuff. It's it's and84800:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.440
that's true to what I've experienced out there too. It's84900:43:29.559 --> 00:43:33.000
it's very that is. I don't know if it seems85000:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.480
physical or it just sounds that way. That's kind of85100:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.280
my interpretation at least. Okay, but now.85200:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.800
We're in the stage of what we consider modern technology. Yeah,85300:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.639
and despite that modern technology, we yet to see any85400:43:48.639 --> 00:43:55.360
definitive proof over years decades of searching for this elusive creature.85500:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.199
Two questions, Sarah, I guess, First.85600:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.039
Why do you think people still hold on to the85700:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.559
belief that it does exist despite not having any definitive proofs?85800:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.679
And also, do you think with modern technology we are85900:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.079
actually getting closer to finding that definitive proof.86000:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.599
Yeah, that's a good question, one that comes up a lot.86100:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.480
And I mean the long and short of it is,86200:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.800
I don't really know, but I can give my kind86300:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.039
of theories about possibly why. I think overall there's still86400:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.480
are you know, even in this day and age, there's86500:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.239
all this technology we have, there's still so much wilderness86600:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.679
and space out there in North America. I've been to86700:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.679
quite a few of these places, and it's frightening how86800:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.360
much territory there is. I mean, driving from into parts86900:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.159
of Canada up to Alaska on the Alaska Highway, there's87000:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.239
areas that you could just hike off a couple miles87100:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.000
off the road and never be seen again with the87200:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.480
amount of space that's out there. And I think that's87300:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.639
one factory. The other factor is there really isn't that87400:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.440
many people that are truly in a kind of scientific87500:44:54.679 --> 00:44:59.360
or very rigorous fashion looking for evidence of sasquatch. I mean,87600:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.480
there's not very very many biologists or scientists. There's a87700:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.000
handful of groups that approach it very seriously. There's a87800:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.480
lot of weekend warriors and enthusiasts, so people that oh,87900:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.360
we're going to go look for bigfoot in this national88000:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.440
forest this weekend, and they spend a couple of nights88100:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.320
out there that sort of thing. So if you look88200:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.239
at how much space there is and how many people88300:45:18.280 --> 00:45:23.199
are actually looking and examining these areas, it's it's very minuscule.88400:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.880
And then among you know, if you judge how people88500:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.880
are doing things amongst that, there's very few people doing88600:45:28.880 --> 00:45:33.079
it in a very kind of meticulous and scientific way88700:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.440
like that we would need for data like, Okay, we88800:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.800
observed this night we had a rock thron here, and88900:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.440
they have full detailed notes of it. It's usually just like, oh,89000:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.840
we heard we had something happen, and you know, there's89100:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.480
really no paper trail or way to verify kind of89200:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.840
or not necessarily paper trail, but like verification documentation sort89300:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.639
of thing of what took place. So I don't think89400:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.079
there's truly a lot of people. I think there's a89500:45:55.079 --> 00:45:56.800
lot of enthusiasts and a lot of people who go89600:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.800
out there. And then of course you got to worry89700:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.199
about confirmation by and not every twig snap you hear89800:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.000
in the woods is a big foot sort of thing.89900:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.119
I think a lot of times it happens you got90000:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.360
a big group of people together and are primed they90100:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.400
want this activity to happen, so any sound they hear,90200:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.880
oh my god. You know, you have to really strive90300:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.119
and be very critical and skeptical of everything you're experiencing90400:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.079
and try to explain it away before you jump to90500:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.599
the conclusion that, oh it's it definitely had to be90600:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.280
a sasquatch, right, like that should be the last thing.90700:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.960
And then, as I mentioned earlier, with some of the90800:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.519
more credible stories, it seems like a lot of those90900:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.880
encounters are not necessarily people who are looking. They're just91000:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.440
out in the woods, out in the wilderness, doing all91100:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.199
sorts of things, like mundane sort of things. So I91200:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.800
don't know if that has anything to do with it,91300:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.440
just if that's whether that's coincidental. You know, if these91400:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.519
things are as intelligent as they are, they probably know91500:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.559
if people are going in the woods and banging on91600:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.480
trees and making these loop sounds, they're probably going to91700:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.639
figure out, Yeah, they might be mimicking us, you know,91800:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.239
So I don't think we should go towards them. Whereas91900:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.360
someone's out chainsawing a piece of forest that has been92000:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.280
unpuched for decades on your turf and you might go92100:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.280
check it out, like, hey, let me throw some rocks92200:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.440
this guy, get them out of here. That's just me,92300:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.280
you know, kind of making an assumption, but I would assume.92400:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.400
But you know, that kind of pattern has been reported92500:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.880
over the years, and yeah, I don't know. I think92600:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.119
the debate is going to rage until you know there's92700:47:24.159 --> 00:47:28.400
more evidence. There's there's a lot of alleged evidence, so footprints,92800:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.920
hair samples, pieces of video. But a problem is a92900:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.039
lot of that evidence is subjective. It's not proof, right,93000:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.239
like you have evidence improof proving something. You can have93100:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.760
evidence all kinds of things, but you know, even in93200:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.079
like a legal trial, think about how much evidence they93300:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.400
gather and how long it takes them to make the93400:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.800
case to definitively prove hey, this guy did this. You know,93500:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.440
they can have all sorts of great evidence, but you know,93600:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.639
on on its individual merits, it may not be worth much,93700:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.519
you know, as opposed to like the larger case. You know,93800:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.800
I'm certainly not a legal scholar. That's just kind of93900:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.840
my interpretation. But but yeah, I don't know. I mean,94000:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.400
the bottom line is there is something going on. In94100:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.880
my opinion, you know, I've experienced enough and talked to94200:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.559
enough people that there is there's some mystery phenomena going94300:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.480
on out there, and I don't know if we're any94400:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.920
closer or any further. Certainly there's a lot of modern tech,94500:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.400
but even now, it's so hard to get a really94600:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.599
good picture of you know, wildlife that runs in front94700:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.320
of your car. I've had giant moose run in front94800:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.840
of me and by the time I had my phone out,94900:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.159
it's already gone in the bush and it has you know,95000:48:31.199 --> 00:48:34.280
it's six feet wide with its antlers. It's like, where95100:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.840
did they go? I mean, so, I don't know, it's95200:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.880
a there. There's again, I don't think there's enough people95300:48:41.920 --> 00:48:46.119
seriously looking in a very meticulous fashion. I mean, you know,95400:48:46.119 --> 00:48:50.800
in a place like Alaska, there's basically nobody looking you know,95500:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.519
weakend warriors. But there's no there's not a scientific team95600:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.119
in a place like Area A that's there six months95700:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.880
out of the year doing rotations that have thermal camera everywhere, right,95800:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.000
Like that is just not happening anywhere. And most of95900:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.039
the stories are coming from people just randomly in these environments.96000:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.400
And then then you've got the weekend Warrior kind of96100:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.480
stuff all over the place, and I'm a lot of enthusiasts,96200:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.400
but you know, we have to sift through some of96300:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.639
that to kind of see if it's valid or not.96400:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.519
So yeah, that doesn't really paint a really good picture96500:49:22.559 --> 00:49:26.079
because it's like there's really there's nobody really truly kind96600:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.119
of engaged in this kind of surgeon of way that96700:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.199
we would need. And it's difficult, like, you know, people96800:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.119
people have their own lives, like you know, I wish96900:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.119
I could spend a year on location in a place97000:49:35.199 --> 00:49:36.719
like that and just try to learn as much as97100:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.519
I could, but that's so logistically tough to do, right, right,97200:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.320
So I don't know. I'd like to say we are97300:49:44.360 --> 00:49:48.159
hopefully closer, But I don't know at this point. I'm97400:49:48.199 --> 00:49:50.800
just kind of, you know, speaking from my personal experiences,97500:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.480
just happy to be out in some of these environments97600:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.880
and see if there's anything viable or if anything happens97700:49:56.960 --> 00:49:57.440
sort of thing.97800:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.360
Yeah, And I remember when I was like speaking on97900:50:01.599 --> 00:50:05.480
just the elusivity of animals in general, and when I98000:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.679
was about eight years old, I was riding my big98100:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.639
wheel at the time through the metro parks my parents98200:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.280
and here in Cleveland. Much of the metro parks line98300:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.039
the Cayhaga Valley National Park, and I was ahead of98400:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.280
them quite a bit, and I remember like looking off98500:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.760
to the left and at the time, like all I98600:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.039
saw was a glimpse and it looked like a giant98700:50:25.159 --> 00:50:28.199
be bear on its hind legs like rubbing up or98800:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.159
scratch uplicates a tree, and like, I mean, the guys,98900:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.960
I'm scared of that. So I turned around to feedback right,99000:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.559
and maybe no more than two minutes between when I99100:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.480
turned around, I went back to my parents and ended99200:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.880
up right back where we were. That thing was completely gone.99300:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.760
There was nothing, no trace, no idea what it like,99400:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.480
what it really was like. In my mind, it was99500:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.199
a bear and like, thinking back now, I was like,99600:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.920
what it could it have been Bigfoot? You know, could99700:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.159
it been something else? But it's crazy to think of99800:50:53.199 --> 00:50:57.000
like how large many animals within the forest are and99900:50:57.039 --> 00:51:01.760
how quickly they do disappear. It's their superpower really, and100000:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.920
so with big it's kind of it's very much the100100:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.960
same way. It's like how he just pops up in100200:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.840
many places seemingly and it just vanishes. And a lot100300:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.280
of people, I think nowadays, are tracing that to like, oh,100400:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.840
it must not be a physical being, it must be spiritual,100500:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.360
it must be ethereal or something like that. But it's like, no,100600:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.360
when you look at the history of just animals in general,100700:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.960
and those that are wild animals, they are fully capable100800:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.639
and fully tuned to disappear on when that's kind of100900:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.760
like what they do, and it's how they start. Yeah,101000:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.920
you know, so it's yeah, I agree, I think it's101100:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.159
very possible. It's still a physical being, and the fact101200:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.639
that we're not seeing it has nothing to do with,101300:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.199
you know, the technology. It's just that animals and instincts101400:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.119
tend to work better and more efficiently than where technology can,101500:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.760
and it's it's just is how it is.101600:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.760
Well, yeah, I mean, it's like you mentioned with wildlife,101700:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.559
it's incredible. You know, I've been in the woods and101800:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.880
had no idea moose was very close to me until101900:52:02.920 --> 00:52:04.960
it started move. You know. I sat for a little102000:52:05.000 --> 00:52:06.639
bit and just listened and realized, oh my god, there's102100:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.880
been a moose there the whole time. And we're talking102200:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.119
about an animal that can be almost one thousand pounds.102300:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.599
And you know, if it doesn't want to be stealthy,102400:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.000
it doesn't want to be stealthy. I've had moose run102500:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.800
past my tent in northern Maine at six in the102600:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.400
morning and it's like a stampede running past your tent.102700:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.800
And then other times you won't even hear it moving.102800:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.920
I mean, it's incredible, right, I mean, here in northern102900:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.840
New England, we've got god. I mean, I think the103000:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.960
numbers are between fifty to seventy thousand moose. I know,103100:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.960
the numbers kind of ebb and flow, but they're the103200:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.280
most amount of moose anywhere in the United States outside103300:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.880
of Alaska, which obviously has many. I mean they're everywhere.103400:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.639
You see them all over the place, even in suburban Anchorage.103500:52:45.679 --> 00:52:51.360
That's how close the wilds are to nature now to103600:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.280
cities and civilization and places like Alaska. About it here.103700:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.719
You know, I live in the woods and we have103800:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.199
moose around here regularly, and I'm only ever, I've never103900:52:59.239 --> 00:53:01.599
even seen one of my property. I've gone it on104000:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.800
trail camera a few times. That's it, Like, I've never104100:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.679
seen one out here. I've seen plenty of moose in104200:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.079
other areas and run into them over the years. But104300:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.440
knowing that there's that number of moose around you and104400:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.280
most of the time you go out you never see104500:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.599
one at all, it's very intriguing, kind of like where104600:53:19.639 --> 00:53:24.360
are they there? There's somewhere out hunkered down, And let's104700:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.400
say there's only twenty sasquatch and like one large area104800:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.760
of northern Maine, that's nothing compared to the fact that104900:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.679
there's thousands upon thousands of more moose and there's thirty105000:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.559
thousand black bear. So biologically speaking, the habitat there is105100:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.280
rich enough to support humongous, large mammals that weigh thousands105200:53:43.320 --> 00:53:48.039
of pounds and you know, consume many many calories daily105300:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.519
and also are active year round. In the case of105400:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.239
moose and deer, that sort of thing. Obviously, bear hibernate105500:53:54.599 --> 00:53:57.320
for most of the winter, but there is a precedent105600:53:57.440 --> 00:54:01.320
for large animals surviving on the iron. But again, to105700:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.119
go back to the debate, I mean, I don't know105800:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.599
what exactly these things are. What they are obviously people105900:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.039
still wonder, oh, they probably don't even exist. I don't106000:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.760
know what is going on, Like something he's going on,106100:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.840
people were having some encounters with something. Not every single106200:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.719
person is lying. I've too many people that I trust106300:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.960
that really I don't know why they would make up106400:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.079
a story like this. And then the other interesting factor106500:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.679
is a lot of the on my travels I've run106600:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.880
into people who and you know, over the years of106700:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.599
researching people who have had an encounter but they don't106800:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.199
want to tell it publicly. They don't want to be106900:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.280
a podcasts, they don't want any attention, but they have107000:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.039
this story and a lot of times they have PTSD.107100:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.960
I mean, I've got a friend who gets who claims107200:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.760
to have had a sighting of a creature while driving107300:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.079
and looked at it. And whenever we go out camping107400:54:46.119 --> 00:54:50.360
with him, he has like he's he's scared, he doesn't107500:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.559
want to stay out at night. He gets these kind107600:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.000
of very uneasy feelings like I don't want to say trauma. Yeah,107700:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.559
I guess trauma would be some like a PTSD kind107800:54:58.599 --> 00:55:03.039
of thing. And it's like if there's something real causing that,107900:55:03.519 --> 00:55:05.280
I don't think it's all just kind of in his head.108000:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.760
And that's something that with other witnesses too that have108100:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.960
had you know, scarier kind of encounters where they felt108200:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.400
like their life was threatened. I've heard this from hunters108300:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.159
people that I have interviewed over the years. One gentleman108400:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.480
in particular who talked about, you know, he was an108500:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.159
avid turkey hunter and he had kind of face to108600:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.440
face one of these things and you know, he didn't108700:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.400
want to hunt for years after that. He could not108800:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.559
get himself to go back into the woods and that108900:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.719
was like his number one thing that he liked to do.109000:55:31.480 --> 00:55:34.480
I've heard that story time and time again. So it's109100:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.719
people like that that don't want any attention. And a109200:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.519
lot of times, especially here in New England, some of109300:55:39.519 --> 00:55:41.280
the stories like in New Hampshire that I've taken over109400:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.199
the years, like it's almost like pulling teeth to get109500:55:43.239 --> 00:55:45.920
the person to trust you and they finally let their109600:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.239
guard down to tell you their story, but they're like,109700:55:48.239 --> 00:55:49.800
you're not going to put this out anywhere, Like, I109800:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.039
don't want this, you know, my job is too important.109900:55:52.039 --> 00:55:53.599
I don't want to be a crazy big foot person.110000:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.039
I think that attitude is changing a little bit now110100:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.519
because of the prevalence of a lot of shows in110200:55:58.559 --> 00:56:03.880
the podcast, and it's like, are culturally ubiquitous. But I110300:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.119
don't know it's some of these people, man, Like I've110400:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.760
talked to people who are very educated. We're talking PhDs,110500:56:10.920 --> 00:56:16.519
to former Secret Service members, all sorts of educated folks,110600:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.920
to folks that are not educated but know the woods110700:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.199
but like the back of their hand, every kind of110800:56:21.239 --> 00:56:26.360
spectrum law enforcement, military, all sorts of backgrounds that all110900:56:26.400 --> 00:56:30.800
have consistent reports and stories, and many of them either111000:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.679
don't want to share publicly or you know, will only111100:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.039
under very specific circumstances kind of share their story with you.111200:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.880
So it's perplexing when you kind of think about it.111300:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.480
I don't think every single one of them is lying111400:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.480
or misinterpreting or misidentifying. Like, yes, there may be a111500:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.639
portion of that, certainly. You know, there's a lot of111600:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.360
people that do make stories up and if it gets111700:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.519
me on podcast or oh, I can make some money111800:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.440
off this. But there's red flags. And then there's the111900:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.800
guy that you know, he's leasing a hunting cabin in112000:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.239
the woods, and all this stuff happened over the course112100:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.480
of a decade and never would have known his story112200:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.119
had he not told somebody who was interested in that112300:57:12.199 --> 00:57:12.800
kind of stuff.112400:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.760
I don't right, you know, And I think it's like112500:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.920
for those who are like seem to be deathly afraid,112600:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.320
you know, like your friends who are too afraid to112700:57:22.320 --> 00:57:22.719
be outside.112800:57:22.760 --> 00:57:23.880
They don't want to be dark.112900:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.119
You know, even if they didn't see They put it113000:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.960
this way, if they thought they saw something but they113100:57:29.960 --> 00:57:33.199
were unsure, they wouldn't be so afraid. But humans have113200:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.519
a natural instinct, a prival instinct where it's like, even113300:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.400
if you don't connect the dots, there's a familiarity and113400:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.360
a fear that clicks in. And so even if you're113500:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.760
unsure of what you saw, a fear is there because113600:57:45.760 --> 00:57:48.599
you know what you saw, right, even if you can't113700:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.760
quite point it out.113800:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.400
Yeah. Yeah, I think there's something to be said about113900:57:54.440 --> 00:57:58.320
the people that they claim to have had a sighting114000:57:58.440 --> 00:58:04.639
and they have some sort of traumatic response to being114100:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.119
in the location where it happened, or being out after dark.114200:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.119
That sort of thing I mean, I've witnessed that firsthand,114300:58:10.119 --> 00:58:13.800
and I don't know, it's it's a little perplexing. I'm114400:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.440
not I'm not a psychologist. I don't you know, a114500:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.760
sociologist anything like that. I don't know how to diagnose114600:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.039
that stuff professionally. But when you when you get to114700:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.920
know somebody and you know they're they're all fun and jolly,114800:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.519
and then when it gets dark, you know, they're like114900:58:29.559 --> 00:58:34.079
a nervous nelly, and it's like they're a different person115000:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.920
at that point. Right, It's just kind of unusual. It's115100:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.280
something that I kind of grapple with a lot trying115200:58:40.320 --> 00:58:44.519
to try to rationalize and and understand and any like115300:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.360
what what's the motivation behind a story like that?115400:58:48.400 --> 00:58:48.599
Right?115500:58:49.239 --> 00:58:51.480
And I'm some of the again, some of the people115600:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.400
I'm thinking of just people that I've become friends with now,115700:58:54.400 --> 00:58:57.079
and I know, like they're not trying to make a115800:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.159
million dollars on these stories. They're not trying to get115900:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.840
on every podcast, TV show and all that kind of stuff.116000:59:02.280 --> 00:59:04.639
A lot of them that have become researchers now is116100:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.239
because they had an experience and they have this kind116200:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.800
of desire to want to know what it was they116300:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.960
want to know more. I've got a friend of mine116400:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.760
that he had this kind of weird tent encounter where116500:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.800
he saw this strange hand and a brushing up against116600:59:17.840 --> 00:59:19.719
his tent up in the White Mountains in New Hampshire,116700:59:20.280 --> 00:59:21.920
and you know, he's thinking, oh my god, is this116800:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.199
person messing with me? And then he heard this kind116900:59:24.199 --> 00:59:29.320
of guttural vocalization, weird vocal that went through his chest117000:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.559
and vibrated into the like it just vibrated through the117100:59:31.639 --> 00:59:35.079
chest very loud, and it freaked him out and he117200:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.320
didn't know what it was. He never thought bigfoot for117300:59:37.400 --> 00:59:42.239
years until he saw a documentary featuring a biologist named117400:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.159
John Mainzinski talking about an encounter similar encounter he had117500:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.639
in the tent where you know, something was kind of117600:59:47.679 --> 00:59:49.199
messing with his camp while he was up in a117700:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.800
remote area in Wyoming in the mountains surveying sheep. I believe,117800:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.119
as you know, as a biologist and you know, had117900:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.800
this kind of serious of sasquatch encounters. And my friend118000:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.039
saw that show years after his encounter, It's like, is118101:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.800
that what I experienced? You know, because he did. And118201:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.000
then you hear that a lot. Actually, you know, two118301:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.639
of some of my top witnesses in my kind of book,118401:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.079
my mental book of encounters, they talk about hearing a vocalization.118501:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.760
They feel the vocalization now whether or not that's because118601:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.960
it's like immense power or some people talk about frequencies.118701:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.880
You know, animals can produce these these infrasonic or low frequencies.118801:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.440
A friend of mine head encounter with an alligator and118901:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.199
I believe he's Texas or Louisiana. It was, like he said,119001:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.239
I was twelve fifteen feet away from it and it119101:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.840
did this low grumbling sound and I got this instant119201:00:36.840 --> 01:00:42.199
wave of fear that came over me. Intimidating predator. I119301:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.559
don't know, you know why our bodies responding like that,119401:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.920
but you hear that with these sasquatch encounters too. Again,119501:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.719
my friend he saw that hand brushing up against his119601:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.800
tent as he's in the tent with his with his119701:00:55.159 --> 01:00:57.360
young son and mother of the son at the time,119801:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.280
and he's thinking fight or flight, like op, this is119901:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.639
some guy gotta go mess with him, and then he120001:01:01.639 --> 01:01:05.440
hears this sound that kind of freaks him out. And120101:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.320
based off of that encounter, that kind of led him120201:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.719
into wanting to find out more. And he's like I120301:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.000
want to see one of these things. You know, I120401:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.159
don't know if that's what I encountered, but that's what120501:01:14.199 --> 01:01:16.440
he wants to He wants to find out more. And120601:01:16.480 --> 01:01:18.320
so that's really interesting the folks that get into the120701:01:18.400 --> 01:01:21.559
research or the investigation side of things because they had120801:01:22.280 --> 01:01:27.840
a defining encounter or an experience. Yeah, so there's certainly120901:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.000
a lot to ponder, certainly a lot to ponder.121001:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.280
Yeah, Well, we could probably talk to you for the121101:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.599
rest of the night, but it is time to let121201:01:36.639 --> 01:01:38.400
you go. So I wanted to give you a chance121301:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.400
to tell everybody where they can find you find your work.121401:01:41.679 --> 01:01:45.480
The MIC's all yours absolutely, Yeah, So, I mean most121501:01:45.480 --> 01:01:47.800
of my work is found on small Town Monsters. So121601:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.920
we are an independent production company. As I was talking121701:01:49.920 --> 01:01:55.760
about earlier. We do a lot of different documentaries, bigfoot, UFOs, cryptids,121801:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.719
other sort of strange topics as well. Is called Beyond121901:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.320
the Trail. You can find a lot of the stuff122001:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.880
I've specifically talked about tonight linked on my website, Pettakov Media.122101:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.920
It's p E T A k o Vmedia dot com.122201:02:10.960 --> 01:02:12.679
You know, that's got links to all my social media122301:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.599
and all the other kind of stuff. Too, but I122401:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.119
also have links on my film and video page which122501:02:17.719 --> 01:02:19.639
has links to all the series and things that I122601:02:19.800 --> 01:02:23.760
mentioned over the course of tonight. So yeah, that's kind122701:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.039
of the best place to find me in my work.122801:02:26.079 --> 01:02:28.280
And you know, if I could just end on the122901:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.880
note saying, you know, people keep an open mind. We123001:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.159
really don't have the answers. We don't know the truth.123101:02:34.599 --> 01:02:38.199
There's a lot of strange things out there, and I123201:02:38.239 --> 01:02:40.480
hope we'll get to the bottom of it. If not,123301:02:41.199 --> 01:02:43.400
then I mean, I'm just enjoying the journey as it123401:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.440
goes along, and you know, getting experience some of these123501:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.480
beautiful locations and hopefully other people will be inspired to123601:02:50.480 --> 01:02:54.639
do the same. Awesome, all right, Alex, thank you so123701:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.320
much for being on Paratruth be Born sounds good. Thanks guys.123801:02:58.639 --> 01:03:01.280
All Right, folks, a lot of great stuff coming up123901:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.880
for you, so tune in every week until next week124001:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.159
where you'll find this same time, same channel.124101:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.599
My name is Justin and I'm Eric Pace.
