March 18, 2026

Sasquatch Territory: What Happened In Area A? w/Aleks Petakov

What happens when years of Bigfoot investigation lead you back to the same mysterious location? On this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, we welcome filmmaker and researcher Aleks Petakov, creator of Bigfoot Beyond the Trail: The Return to Area A. Aleks...

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What happens when years of Bigfoot investigation lead you back to the same mysterious location?

On this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, we welcome filmmaker and researcher Aleks Petakov, creator of Bigfoot Beyond the Trail: The Return to Area A. Aleks takes us deep into the forests where repeated encounters, strange sounds, and unexplained activity have drawn investigators back again and again.

We explore what makes Area A so unique, why researchers keep returning to it, and what Aleks has personally experienced while documenting the search for Sasquatch.

Is Bigfoot a flesh-and-blood creature hiding in remote wilderness… or something far stranger?

Join us as we go Beyond the Trail.

Guest Bio: Aleksandar is a documentary filmmaker, outdoorsman and avid adventurer constantly searching for the unknown. Traveling across North America and the world, Aleksandar has looked into various mysteries including Cryptozoological creatures like Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Lake Champlain Monster, Mystery Big Cats and bizarre phenomenon and mysterious places like the Bridgewater Triangle. He is a Small Town Monsters crew member and has created various documentaries, and docu-series about these mystery topics, most notably of which is “Bigfoot: Beyond the Trail”, which has amassed over 23 million collective views on YouTube.


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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we will talk to Alex

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Pettacow about his documentary Bigfoot Beyond the Beyond the Trail,

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The Return to Area A.

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Welcome. Well, well do Para Truth Truth.

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How's it going, Paratruthers. Welcome to a brand new episode

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of Paratruth Reborn. My name is Justin and I'm Eric,

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And as I mentioned earlier, we are going to be

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talking to Alex Pettacov about his documentary Bigfoot Beyond the

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Trail The Return to Area a Al.

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Welcome to Paratruth be Born. How's it going guys, Thanks

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for having me on. It was going really really good

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to us. We all had the matching gray shirt thing

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going on. It was not planned. I swear we were

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all psychically linked for this attis it would appear that way. So, Alex,

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for the listeners who may be discovering your work for

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the first time, what led you into investigating Bigfoot and

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producing documentaries about it? Yeah, it's a good question, I guess,

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just always a kind of a curiosity for the unknown,

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you know. I got into kind of cryptosology stuff from

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a young age. It was interested in the yetti that

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led into Bigfoot and other mysterious topics as well, other

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creatures locked mass I was always interested in that, and

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then I've always been really big into the outdoors, hiking,

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backpacking all across North America at this point, but you know,

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especially when I was younger, mostly the Appalachian Mountains in

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the northeast up here. I live in New Hampshire. I

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grew up in the state, and you have a lot

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of beautiful mountains, and I kind of gain an appreciation

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for that. Did some naturalism training back in the day

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and survivalism, and that really kind of sparked my interest

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further into just enjoying the outdoors and exploration and adventure.

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And then you know, kind of combining that with a

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passion for filmmaking and invest you're looking for bigfoot in

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these kind of wilded in these wooded wilderness areas. So

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that's kind of one thing led to another, and they're

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kind of like a trinity of factors, I suppose you

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could call it, you know, the love for outdoors, of filmmaking,

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and the search for the unknown. I think they kind

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of go hand in hand. So that's what kind of

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led me down the path that I guess I'm on

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right now as we sit here talking about it.

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Okay, we've actually had talked with small Town Monsters a

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couple of times. How did your partnership begin with them?

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Yeah? I actually came in contact with Seth Breedlove who

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found in small Town Nscers almost ten years ago now.

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Believe I did a short documentary, which is very terrible

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because it's ten years old at this point and you know,

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it's come along with I'd like to say I did

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a documentary about the Locknest Monster and it was based

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off a trip I took to Locknast, Scotland, just a

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short twelve minute film, and I remember Seth actually had

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reached out to me and said, hey, I really liked

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your film. I'd love to show it at they were

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doing this Minerva Monster Day event in Ohio and he

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was like, I'd like to show it at our event

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and I was like, oh boy, someone wants to screen

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this thing. I guess he really liked it, and we

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kind of struck up a friendship after that, and then

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he approached me a year or two later after that

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asking if I'd be willing to do a series for

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small Town Monsters called on the Trail of champ which

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was a documentary series looking at the Lake Champlain mystery

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in the Northeast in Vermont and New York, which has

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this kind of America's lockness as it's called, with the

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Lake Champlain Monster. And yeah, became friends with Seth. From

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that point on, we started working collaborating every once in

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a while, and then you know, I was working on

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a bunch of his films. I would do crew stuff,

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travel around with him some of the on the Trail

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of Bigfoot type films, Momo, the Missouri Monster, just that

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sort of stuff. And then in twenty twenty one we

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started a kind of YouTube specific series called Bigfoot Beyond

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the Trail or just Beyond the Trail, which was an

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open ended, just investigative documentary series following myself on some

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of my personal investigations into Sasquatch and related mysteries, just

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sort of running gun gorilla filmmaking style, very raw and

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just kind of getting out their boots on the ground

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sort of thing. And we've been doing that now since

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twenty twenty one. Can't believe it's already been basically five

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years at this point, but through that period, you know,

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been all across the United States and Canada, really all

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over North America in search of this mystery. So it's

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taken me from many, many states. I have two states

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left that I have not been to in the US,

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you know, in general. So that's it's been quite a

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journey so far. So that's kind of how I got

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involved with small Town Monsters. And I've done a few

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other series over the years of small Town Monsters too,

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but that's kind of primarily what I've worked on in

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the duration. Okay, now, I mean there's there's tons of

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documentaries out there, docuseries about Bigfoot. What makes the big

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Foot Beyond the Traill series different from Yeah, it's I

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think what makes it different is it's just it's very

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I don't want to use the word raw, because it's

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you know, it's obviously edited, it's not unedited. You know,

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it's just not ten hours of meat standing in the woods, Like,

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no one's gonna watch that, right. I think it's just

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if you appreciate just an honest investigation, no sensationalism. I

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present it how it is, like whatever happens happens, we're

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not adding in any Oh my god, did you hear that?

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hear anything, like none of that kind of stuff. I

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hate those type ofies. But yeah, that that drives me

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up well. And I understand why that's done because a

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lot of these you know, like network shows and they

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they're they're being edited by people who aren't really interested

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in these topics. They're just in their editors, right, and

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that's the fact and whatnot. Whereas I actually have like

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a genuine interest in the subject matter. It's not just

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a job for me. It's not just oh, I'm editing

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a bigfoot documentary and the next week I'll be doing

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a documentary about you know, storage wars or whatever. You know.

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It's not like you know that sort of thing. So yeah,

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just what sets it apart is just it's it's very

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boots on the ground. It's you know, I go to

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a location. For example, I just got back from Oklahoma

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and I'm doing a whole bunch of videos for for

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my Beyond the Trail series of you know, we go

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to an area I pick like a mountain range. I'm like,

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all right, I want to talk to local investigators, local witnesses.

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We go to the ground, we we spend time in

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the woods, we go visit the local museums, we talk

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to people who are involved in the subject, try to

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get access to know specific cases, that sort of stuff.

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you appreciate the kind of the nonsensationalized sort of stuff.

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I really strive to keep it absolutely authentic at all times,

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and I would never want to compromise you know, what

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that what that is, and what that entails.

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like Justin said, that's the one thing that's so frustrating

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about the big network shows is they're like, oh, listen

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to what we just heard, but then they have music

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playing over it, and it's like, what did we hear?

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always bothers me the most is, especially with the ghost

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documentors right go to the general investigations, is they want

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you to listen to EVP, but before allowing you to

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decipher what it is on your own, they put the

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word up there, and it's like your mind naturally makes

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that connection. It's like, well, you just feeding us information

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and we don't know if it's even accurate. So it's

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nice to have something that's raw that people can like

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feel as if they're they're doing the investigation too, and

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are witnessing it in a way in real time as

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you are.

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approach because you're priming the audience, right. Another thing I

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really strive to do is just make sure to present information.

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do your like, make your own conclusion. You don't have

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to agree with anything I say. You know, I try

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to keep my documentaries interesting and educational, so we focus

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a lot on and this is something people have actually

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told me that have watched for years now. We get

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a lot of emails and messages people saying, you know,

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why they like the particular series is you know, I

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talk about like a specific mountain range or a specific

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area we're going to, and I really try to talk

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about some of the factors at play. You know, what's

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the geology like there, what's the habitat likes other species.

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Focus on those interesting elements and explain what And this

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is something actually I get quite a few times from

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people that live over in the UK. We have a

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lot of people from the United Kingdom that watch, and

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I get messages from them all the time where they're like,

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I never had any idea that Florida had wilderness areas

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like this right, or oh my god, I didn't know

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their New Jersey had millions of acres of forest land

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and New York State has huge amounts of forests. Because

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we go to these places that you know, people hear

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about New York or Florida and they think, oh, New

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York's all city, it's all urban. Florida, it's just Miami

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and Orlando. They don't understand it, you know, especially if

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they're not familiar with it, that these areas have these

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kind of habitats. And that's something that's been really cool

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for people that just aren't familiar with some of these

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spots that kind of like I've had one person tell

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me they've learned more about the geography of the US

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through watching my series than they ever knew of before.

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really cool. Again someone else from the UK, but that's

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been really fun. Just kind of when we do get

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you know, alleged evidence, whether it's audio or anything like that,

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I always stress like I, especially if it's audio, I

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didn't see what made it right, so I cannot say

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one hundred percent what it is. And I always try

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to get people outside parties to examine my audio. I'll

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give an example now. I I was on a trip

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in Texas and I got some kind of weird audio,

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and one of my first things I do is I

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send that to people I trust. I'm like, hey, what

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do you think about this? You know what is? You

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know what could this be? Because I'm not just gonna

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put I could easily just take that audio and slap

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it on screen and be like, could it be a bigfoot? Right?

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If it's if it's some other animal, I want to

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be able to determine that and talk about it. We've

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had hair samples in the past in some of my

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videos that we found and we send them in for

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like a microscopic analysis, and they come back as you know,

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we've gotten links before, We've gotten raccoon bear, that kind

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of stuff. So I always like to explain at the

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end you'll see us collect the mystery hair sample in

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the video, and then you know, I actually send that

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to somebody that does microscopic analysis and they come back

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to me with an answer, and then I actually can

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present like the screenshots from the microscope they have and say, hey,

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this actually turned out to be a links. You know,

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this is the importance of reaching out to people who

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have these specialized skills, whether they're in the scientific world

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or academic you know, that have these abilities that you

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might not. I mean, I'm not a scientist, right, I'm

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just a filmmaker and outdoor enthusiast. So I don't claim

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to be a scientist or anything like that. But I

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have no problem with reaching out to folks with those

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skill sets to try to get some of my evidence

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analyzed and looked at. And it would be so much

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easier to just say all this mystery stuff we get is,

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you know, it's very likely bigfoot, right, I don't think

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that's that's not the truth, though. I want to present

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people with the absolute accuracy of what I'm experiencing, what

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I'm finding out there, So right.

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Yeah, why do you think, like for some those other

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shows that are on network TV, why do you think

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it is that they tend to lead people on into

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believing that what they're finding is truly bigfoot, even when

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they don't have significant evidence for it.

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in the truth. They are interested in selling ad revenue,

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right or advertising space. That's kind of how they operate.

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involved in network television. You know, I studied film and communications,

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so I know people actually work in the industry too.

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And I also know people now that are paranormal cryptology

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researchers who do a lot of TV stuff, so they

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kind of first hand experience. So I hear from both perspectives,

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and it's it's just a job for them, right, Like

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a lot of these people, like a production company does

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a series on Bigfoot, the crew involved, you know, nine

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times out of ten, they don't actually care about the

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subject matter. As soon as hey, it's nine PM, our

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union hours dictate we can't work past this time, even

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though they could be in the woods and having activity

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going on right on the rare occasions, a giant crew

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with lights in the woods maybe having stuff happen. As

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soon as there are clock runs out for their union

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mandated time, I'm going to go back to the hotel.

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Whereas you know, that's when you know, if it's something

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I'm experiencing I'm going to be documenting it. But anyway,

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back to the the networks, I just think they are

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the intentionally mislead people, most of them. Unfortunately, a lot

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of these programs are like that. I'm not trying to

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slight anyone personally or anything. I'm just saying, be careful

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what you believe. I mean, there's been you know, like

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those mockumentaries right about Mermaids and other stuff that have

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come out over the years that are totally like misleading.

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But Pete and it's almost like a kind of the

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Orson Wells thing from back in the day with the

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War of the World's Right and reading it and you know,

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there was a disclaimer at the end, very very quick one,

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but everyone's already freaking out thinking, oh my god, this

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is real. Then I think, you know, again, most of

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these most of these networks are not really interested in

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the truth. They're interested in, you know, selling, selling ad space.

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That's kind of the motivating factor. So if they can

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keep people tuning in, yeah, and then obviously that model works.

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You know, there's plenty of successful television shows and that

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sort of thing, But now there's this independent media space

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where people we're kind of sick of that are able

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to do it themselves. And I think we had small

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town monsors have demonstrated that, you know, because we're all

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very interested in the subject matter. We're not just you know,

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it's an assignment, right, Like, we are actually interested and

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this is you know, I put a lot of effort

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in you know, personal blood, sweat and tears kind of

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thing into my series. So and then I always tell people,

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you know, make up your own mind. You don't have

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to believe me, you don't not to accept it, like

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do your own research. I would love to inspire people

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to get out there and do their own thing. And

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that's been really cool too, seeing over the years, I'll

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get people that will message me like it's an area

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six miles into the mountains of Utah and they'll send

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me a picture you remember this location from your video,

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like your video inspired me to come out here, and

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I'm like, oh my god, that's that's so cool. Right. Yeah.

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like I have buddies that they have like a local

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business that has some Bigfoot stuff, or they'll have a

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museum like Cliff Barrickman in Oregon. He's got the big

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the Bigfoot Museum. My buddy Robert App in Alaska has

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a Bigfoot Art Gallery, which is like a framing and

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matting business he does, but he's got like a Bigfoot

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art gallery section. He tells me almost weekly he's like, man,

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somebody came in and said they heard about this place

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from one of one of your videos, because we featured

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him quite a bit in there. And that's really cool too,

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that people get inspired to go support other you know,

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local and small businesses in that way based off of

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just like a common passion. So that that kind of

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it is, that part of it, I should say, is

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really rewarding and and really cool. So that's been I

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think that's a you know, not to get on a

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high horse or anything, but that's the difference kind of

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between like the indie stuff and what you maybe see

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on the on the TV, the really popular programs. For sure.

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That's why we love small town ouncers to mention. It's

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in our home state of Ohio too. So I think

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it's great that you guys are doing this work. And

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I've loved the documentaries that I've seen so far from

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you guys, so I'm glad that you're continuing on, especially

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after you know, the harsh things of twenty twenty and

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everything leading up to today. So the radiations for you

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guys keeping it up, thank you.

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Yeah, it's been you know, it's been a strange, strange

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decades so far. But you know a lot of times too,

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I'll get people that will tell me, you know, watching

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when my videos come out or any of the small

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Town Monsers videos, because we have videos that come out

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on YouTube, and we also have films that we run

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through annual Kickstarter of year that come out on like

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different platforms as well, or Kickstarter backers get the films,

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they'll say, you know, these are like the highlights. This

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is kind of like my distraction from all the craziness

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and just you know, life stuff in general. So that's

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really cool too to know that people they kind of

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really live vicariously through some of the adventures and they

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enjoy it in that way too, in like a meaningful

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way and not just and like an arbitrary I'm just

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watching this in the background kind of thing.

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Right, So what exactly is Area A and why has

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it become such a focal point for bigfoot research?

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Yeah? Area A is one of those places that's just

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I think about it almost daily, so I'll kind of

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give a little quick backstory. Area is a sort of

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code name given to a location up in Alaska on

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the Kenai Peninsula, which is this large peninsula in kind

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of South Alaska, south of Anchorage, and the kind of

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the populated area, it's about the size of the state

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of Maine, give or take the peninsula itself, and it

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has so many different habitats and interesting areas. They kind

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of call it like mini Mini Alaska or Alaska's playground.

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A lot of people go there and kind of do

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all kinds of recreation outdoor stuff as very interesting habitats

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all across, like I said, but what most interesting is

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the coastal rainforest found along the mountains there in the

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coastal areas, and it goes hundreds thousands of miles I

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don't know. I mean, it's all these giant bays that

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jut in and there's just mountains that rise out of sea,

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and you have these temper rainforests that are akin to

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what you find in British Columbia, Washington State, and all

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the way to the Redwoods in northern California. It's part

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of that kind of Pacific coastal temper rainforest chain. So

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for many years, areas like that have conjured up stories

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of what they call the hairy Man up there. But

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with these sass clutch like beings mysterious occurrences all up

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and down the Keen Eye Peninsula. You've got the famous

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incident Port Chatham Port Lock, which is the very tip

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of the Keen Eye Peninsula. A lot of debate about

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what happened there, but that is obviously one of these

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kind of famous incidents. But Area A is just again

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it's a code name for one specific area. A friend

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of mine he had built a remote property out there,

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basically just had built a cabin to go hunt and

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fish at. And it's over an hour to get there

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by boat in a very remote area, so just getting

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there is difficult in itself. And he'd built a cabin

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out there and basically started having strange things happen from

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getting to the location after buying the initial property and

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then building a cabin. They had kind of the typical

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stuff you hear with a lot of the sasquatch reports

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you had. They witnessed rocks being thrown at them. They

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would see rock like one of the stories was a

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horizontal or a rock flying out of the woods horizontally.

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They'd hear knocks, whistles, strange roaring type sounds, rocks kind

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of landing near them. And then subsequently, as they built

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this cabin, they'd bring other people out to help work

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on the cabin and everyone kind of experienced little things,

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and eventually the place was kind of named Area A.

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There was a group known as a new from North

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American Wood Ape Conservancy. They got involved. I believe they're

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the ones that named it Area A, but it kind

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of stuck. People thought, oh, Area Alaska, Area Ape. There

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was different kind of ideas of why, you know, why

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why why they should call it that, and that kind

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of just stuck. So I'm not the one that originated

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the name, but I've certainly continued to use it because

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it just sounds cool, you know, right if you love

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the good company. Now, like the North American Wood Ape guys,

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they have an area and in southeast Oklahoma called Area X,

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and that obviously has very kind of connotations to it,

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Area X, even though I think it was just because

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they had an X, Y and a Z for the

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research areas, and X happened to be the one that

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was the most productive. You know, it sounds like X files,

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but I was recently near there or two down in

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that area. But anyway, back to Area A, I've been

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now three times, and I've had some interesting things happen there,

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and I've just heard the stories from a variety of

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people that have gone over the years and friends of mine,

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and you know, my my friend who's the property owner

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is had a lot of strange stuff happen.

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Okay, what a like of all the places around the

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US have been What made you decide that it was

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actually worth turning back to Area A for the documentary.

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Well, it was just the first trip out. We took

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a trip out there in twenty twenty two, and I

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had known the proper room for about a year. Until then,

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we'd communicated about some of the stuff that he had happened,

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and it just so happened, you know, able to wind

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up to go in twenty twenty two, that's when I

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ended up going. And we went out that first week

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and we had quite a few interesting things happen, and

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of course I thought, man, I want to come back

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out here. You know, this is a lot of times

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you go to these places and nothing happens right is

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very quiet, but out here our first week, we had

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a bunch of interesting things happen. Now I can't say

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any of it was definitively Sasquatch. It all kind of

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fits the purported behavior, if we want to call it that.

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But you know, we had like an instance where we

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were up sitting around this fire pit that's up on

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this kind of like ledge area in the woods up

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from this cabin. And you know, it's about three four

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in the morning. It's in May, so it's that time

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of year where it's starting to get between extreme darkness

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and then extreme light. So it never really got fully dark.

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It would kind of be like this dusk, it would

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get dark there in the trees because you're in these

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really thick undergrowth with you know, all kinds of Devil's

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Club and different temperate rainforest plants there. And we're just

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sitting there making jokes, you know, sitting there for hours

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doing a fire and we start hearing these kind of

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these kind of wood knock sounds, and that kind of

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catches our attention, and then we start hearing what sounds

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like rocks being thrown into the water. But it would

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kind of hit debris along the way and then smack

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against the rock shore and then KerPlunk into the water.

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So it wasn't like it was just a water splash,

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because that could be a seal or something else kind

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of having fun in the water. It was like hold.

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It was like a series of events. And this happened

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for a little bit, and there were these wood knocks interspersed,

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And the theory is that these creatures maybe do some

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kind of wood knocking type sound. Is it communicative thing?

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There's a lot of different theories. There's quite a few

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Class A sasquatch sightings where people either hear wood knocking

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or rock clacking before the sighting or after the sighting.

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During the sighting. There's a I've document at least like

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twenty six reports that involve that. You know, so where

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there's many encounters where people allege where they just hear

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wood knock kind of things. I've heard that too. But

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you know, unless you actually see it, you can't be

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one hundred percent certain what was producing it. So that's

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why I say, even what we encountered, I don't know

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what it was. But that was very interesting because you know,

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it's just you're just sitting there in the dark, and

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then all of a sudden, this just happens for a

460
00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.720
few minutes and it just dies down, and we're scanning

461
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.799
with thermal units looking around. We don't see anything, but

462
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.839
of course it's very tricky terrain. There's a bit of

463
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.319
a hill above us, so we thought, okay, man, one

464
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.000
of the chances that something was rolling down the hill,

465
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.000
and maybe there's a rock roll down the hill. But

466
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.200
the problem is that entire habitat is covered with this

467
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.640
spongy layer of moss. You can literally lay in the moss.

468
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.480
I mean, I've done it. I've taken naps just without anything,

469
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.680
just lay back in the moss and it kind of

470
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.440
like absorbs your body weight. And we would and the

471
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.599
only rocks you have are down by the shore, by

472
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.000
the ocean, and we're kind of up a little bit,

473
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.880
you know, maybe forty fifty feet from that shore, and

474
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.519
then there's a ridge above us, and there's not any

475
00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:33.680
rocks or anything. You can't you have to really dig

476
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.279
under the moss to even finding rocks. The only ones

477
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.319
in large piles are down by the by the shore.

478
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.079
So we try, Okay, let's take one of the fire

479
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.240
pit rocks and try to like throw it or roll

480
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:47.160
it down the hill and see we start. We did

481
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.319
a couple of times there some experiments. We throw the

482
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.880
rock and it just kind of rolls down silently and

483
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.359
it just gets snabbed on anything, and there's no obvious sound.

484
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:56.880
The only thing we really got to match it was

485
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.559
like trying to overhand throw it and get it to

486
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.960
hit the the rock shore before it then smashed into

487
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.440
the water and makes that kind of cerplunk sound. Now

488
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.519
on overnight audio we had to happen on quite a

489
00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:10.559
few occasions, but that was a kind of an interesting

490
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.119
incident of that first trip. And then the night after

491
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.319
that we camped on the ridge where that happened, or

492
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.599
we flopped maybe the sounds were coming from, because it

493
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:21.680
sounded like it was a little to our right and

494
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.759
that's kind of hugs the water, and then you've got

495
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.960
this ridge. So he said, all right, let's camp on

496
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.400
that ridge. And that night was like the only night

497
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.119
it rained during that first week out there. We were

498
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.079
getting a little bit of a like pitter patter of

499
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.839
rain and then it would subside. It was it was

500
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.839
not like torrentially, it was just a sprinkling and then

501
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:39.920
it would stop. But that night a couple of us,

502
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.599
there was three of us actually there. I waken a

503
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.559
time with another guy and there was another guy right

504
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.160
wells we were hearing it sounded like something moving around

505
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.960
and swomping, and you hear you knock, and you hear

506
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.480
that same kind of locked sound, and I was kind

507
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:56.599
of trying to position myself to get my formal out

508
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.000
to be able to peep over the seep there's anything

509
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.640
going on, But the where where we had our can

510
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.640
set up, it was like they's just moss kind of

511
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.119
embankment right above me. So I couldn't the review of much.

512
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.119
And this went on for a bit, but there'd be

513
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.039
also rain in the teams would be kind of drifting off.

514
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.240
I have to see if nothing's happened full there when

515
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.200
we hear another kind of the knock and the distance

516
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.920
and then the rain starts and can't hear anything. And

517
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.200
that happened, and then the next night after that we

518
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:31.359
can't win that same lidge didn't hear anything about story.

519
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.640
All we heard were sea lions hanging in the bay.

520
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:36.759
There have a lot of sea lions out there, and

521
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.799
they can make people work kind of crazy sound, so

522
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.640
they will here one work a sploor Balloyd's and then

523
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.759
five respond in the other bay, and like, you know

524
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.279
that we hadn't heard that at all the night before

525
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.839
that or any other nights, but freaking curtsia. Once you

526
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.759
kind of feel like where it is, it makes sense,

527
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:58.960
but no other mysterious sounds that second night. And and

528
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.279
it's this you're looking hand frint pressed up against the

529
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:07.319
slide of the metal fabin, an unusual place for it

530
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.079
to be a look a little bit large, and it

531
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.440
definitely had dermal ridges kind of climates and humans have

532
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.839
sure that wasn't a moose or a ver multener. It

533
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.319
was either a human or something human like a lot.

534
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.279
So we had somebody with on the police skills. You know,

535
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:28.440
I'll be able to watch mample from that, and you know, all

536
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.160
sent it off for pssing with a project called Legendique

537
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.680
Science Foo And you're still awaiting any calm. This dissult

538
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.799
on all that's been before years. And also I don't

539
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.000
know the status on that, but now a lot kind

540
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.599
of happened that first week, but we thought was interesting

541
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.400
enough that I'll definitely want to return again. So I

542
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.640
went back the next year after that, which is twenty

543
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.839
twenty three with the impension of stain for two weeks.

544
00:27:53.319 --> 00:28:00.000
The in the wroll and prettymature. Nothing completely totally different,

545
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.680
also rained most of the common you had very head

546
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.640
and rained that entire trip. You know, we found some

547
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.799
kind of interest open footprints and did some three scans

548
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.720
of those with a you know, it was greedy apps

549
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.480
and the phones really had not much happened in the

550
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.400
regard of mysterious thing because if it goes to rain

551
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.880
or not, but it just goes to show you can

552
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.359
go to a location and it's not like every time

553
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.960
we go somewhere there's something that happened. Two weeks like

554
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.279
that was a long time out there and he barely

555
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.759
heard anything. We pried our bats to exports into the

556
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:41.000
areas and really get out there, but nothing really unusual

557
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.720
to apport from that second stuff. And then my third

558
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.279
trick of this plastunnel and went out for a week again.

559
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.640
First day we heard some strange kind of rock sound

560
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:54.480
and then the rest of the trip was pretty quiet

561
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.200
again and it rained a lot there where it's a

562
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:03.680
rainforest in Alaska, till weather usually doesn't floperate, but you know,

563
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.160
being in contact with the property owner. They can't get

564
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.920
out there a year round as well. It's only with

565
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.440
the spring of the fall for the winter months the

566
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.559
water walk it's a milder and that part of the

567
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.759
Alaskan coast, and it would be say inland where they

568
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.039
get that really kind of deep cold. It stays a

569
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.839
little bit more mild and less snow on these coastal areas.

570
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.880
So but the weather, you know, in terms of waves,

571
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.759
can be really rough, so it's very tough to get

572
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:33.960
out there. But you know, just being in touch with

573
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.440
the property owner every time he has something interesting happened,

574
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.799
he would let me know, like, hey, we we heard

575
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.519
another one of those mystery gunshots sounds, or you know,

576
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.559
we we saw something kind of like duck down and

577
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.599
run off really quick. Like there's been a couple of

578
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.759
possible sightings of strange stuff there. But yeah, it's just

579
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.200
kind of a whole whole host of stuff. I mean,

580
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.839
that's kind of the summation I suppose of why we

581
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.000
find it interesting out there. A lot of these stuff

582
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.799
that's reported that's happened is kind of documented taking place

583
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.160
elsewhere with alleged sasquatch kind of activity over the years,

584
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.160
So it just seemed like, for whatever reason there was this,

585
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.000
they weren't a fan of the cabin. I don't know.

586
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.720
I'm assuming you know, kind of when it was first built,

587
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.359
there was a bunch of stuff that happened in subsequent years,

588
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.519
But then it'll be one summer where very little happens,

589
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.759
and then next summer it'll kind of start up again.

590
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.839
There doesn't really seem to any rhyme or reason to

591
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.400
kind of the pattern that goes on out there. I mean,

592
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.359
some of the more recent stuff from last the past

593
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.160
two summers were because he was building a couple more

594
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.440
smaller cabins out there, and that seemed to reignite a

595
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.839
little bit of the activity. I don't know if you

596
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.680
know that has obviously some kind of correlation, which it

597
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:51.000
might not theorize it does, but I can't be certain.

598
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:52.200
Of course, that.

599
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.000
Would be very interesting considering like when you think of

600
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.799
paranormal investigations in paranormal or huntings in general, like how

601
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.880
often we tend to come across people who've found paranormal

602
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.480
activity ignite because of renovations.

603
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.759
Being done in a house sort of add ons and

604
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:09.400
things like that.

605
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:15.279
So the thought of like possibly you know, him building

606
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.480
more cabins. Igniting more activity would be really intriguing in

607
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:21.720
that sense, especially when there are people out there who

608
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.519
think that Bigfoot isn't necessarily even a physical being anymore.

609
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.559
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's hard to say, of course, right,

610
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.799
there's different theories of well, what what could be going on?

611
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.119
People think doesn't even exist, right, there's a lot of

612
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.000
there's a lot of speculation. I mean, if we're going

613
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.839
to approach it from kind of let's say hypothetically it

614
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.400
is some sort of relic, hominid, kind of flesh and

615
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:51.240
blood creature, maybe you're encroaching on its terrain, so it

616
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.240
has to show some kind of aggressive display. Some of

617
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.759
the first things they had happen out there were, you know,

618
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.759
these rocks being thrown. You know, we interviewed one guy

619
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.160
who was like a kind of like a contractor that

620
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.359
the property owner brought out there, and you know, the

621
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.319
idea was, oh, you come out with me for the weekend,

622
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.079
help me work on the cabin. You get a fishing

623
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.079
trip and a camping trip and like a beautiful Alaska

624
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.440
wilderness trip out of it. Right, we wouldn't do that,

625
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:15.640
you know, just do a little bit of work and

626
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:17.440
one of the guys, I think he was an electrician.

627
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.400
He was doing some work and we actually interviewed him

628
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.920
in the first Alaskan Coastal Sasquash documentary which came out

629
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.319
in twenty twenty two. He talked about, you know, they're

630
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.519
all sitting there kind of hanging out at the fire,

631
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.200
and then like rocks just come kind of flying, like

632
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.839
small pebble kind of things come flying and land near them,

633
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.240
and they're like, I mean, where is this coming from?

634
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.359
Kind of thing. They would find I'm going to see

635
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.240
if I can get off my desk here without knocking everything over.

636
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.880
They would find these strange netted rocks actually in their boat,

637
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.079
so they would before they'd built a cabin, they would

638
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.079
moor the boat out in the bay because of or

639
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.000
not wanting to sleep, just intense exposed with brown bears,

640
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.680
you know, very dangerous on the shore, so they would

641
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.519
put their boat out in the bay. They would then

642
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.599
come in on a like a dinghy little zodiac type

643
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.720
thing raft, come out, do work clear the land, and

644
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.519
then go back and spend the night in the cabin

645
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.440
or not in the cabin and the boat. Excuse me.

646
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:15.759
There were a couple occasions where I guess they found

647
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.079
where they were on the shore and they thought they

648
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.640
heard the door of the boat slamming by itself, so

649
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.160
they're like, oh, that's kind of strange. And upon returning

650
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.599
to harbor later hosing off the boat, they would find

651
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:31.440
one of these stones inside the boat a couple hundred

652
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.839
yards out from shore, and they would find this in there,

653
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.000
like who put that in there? And these are rocks

654
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.039
that are actually found all over the place on the

655
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.240
shore there. This is one that I dug out from.

656
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.319
They're buried in the moss. What it is is these

657
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.880
were used by fishermen back in the day. It's just

658
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.480
a little stone in a plastic net, and you'll find

659
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.880
piles of them all along the beach. I mean, they're

660
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.640
actually they've been there for so long they're actually buried

661
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.039
under the moss. We've had to dig some of them

662
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.240
out even the summer. You know. We bring them long

663
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.440
as souvenirs. I brought a whole bunch of them. I

664
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.240
give them to friends as kind of like a Alaskan

665
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.720
squash rock something as we kind of call them. It's

666
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.320
sort of funny, but yeah, these were just because they

667
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.000
didn't want to use leather metal stones were cheap. They're

668
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.679
all over the place. Take one of those and then

669
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.199
use them for their fishing nets to kind of weigh

670
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.440
them down. At least that's what we think. And you'll

671
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.400
find them all along coast of Alaska. And maybe there

672
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.599
was an old community there as well. That's one of

673
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.280
the ideas, you know, maybe just randomly fishermen pulling off

674
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.679
and saying, yeah, this is where I'm going to build

675
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.599
some of these rocks. And they left a pile there

676
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.679
and it's now buried under the moss. And then they again,

677
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.079
these are the kind of rocks that they used to

678
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.320
find in their boat that they believe were actually thrown

679
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:44.079
in there. And yeah, so that's why I have that

680
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.679
as kind of a souvenir. But yeah, again, just kind

681
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.920
of some of the reported behavior, the hearing these knocks,

682
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:56.280
these mystery gunshots, sounding noises, whistles, whoops, vocalizations. One of

683
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.800
the strangest ones was this baby crying sound, which I've

684
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.159
heard before with a with alleged bigfoot cases. I've heard

685
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.760
it for other paranormal things too, but I don't really

686
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.960
investigate a lot of that myself. So what's really interesting

687
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.800
is there's been a couple occasions where this baby crying

688
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.159
sound has been heard. One of the first ones was

689
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.480
there was women on the president on the property, and

690
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:20.119
I believe it was one of the first years, and

691
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.320
the property owner kept a journal of strange events, and

692
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.719
he made a note, you know, women had he brought

693
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.559
out there, said hey, you know, we heard this baby

694
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.519
crying sound and they had never really heard that before,

695
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:33.559
and he made a note of it. And then I

696
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:35.519
guess on another occasion, I think it was a year

697
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.920
or two after that, women there and also that were

698
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.440
brought you know, wives and friends that kind of thing,

699
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.400
were blueberry picking independently and they both heard some kind

700
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.119
of baby crying sound. Eventually kind of reported to each

701
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:51.920
other and then told the property owner and he said, well,

702
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.119
I have an audio recorder out there. You guys reported it.

703
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.519
We have it on audio, and they have this audio

704
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.400
clip of this baby crying sound, which is very weird.

705
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.639
I don't know what it is. I mean, I for

706
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.360
all kinds of theories. Oh it's a fox, it's a porcupine.

707
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.400
It's one of these, because animals can make strange noises,

708
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.239
right that, you can't discount that. But of all the

709
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.760
times they've been out there, it's mostly men because it's

710
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.639
guys going fishing and you know, kind of getting away

711
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.440
from from responsibilities in their lives, just sort of going

712
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.840
out for the weekend having fun. And they've really never

713
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.039
heard that kind of sound. It's only happened on the

714
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.320
few occasions women have been taken out there. And the

715
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.360
Alaska Natives, the Clinkets, they have folklore of what's called

716
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.400
the Kushtaka or the land otter man. I mean that

717
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.000
sounds kind of the imagery there sounds very weird, but

718
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.840
it's described from what I understand what I've been told

719
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:48.480
as a this hairy manlike creature that's seen swimming between

720
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.559
islands and bays and that sort of thing. And if

721
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.960
you know anything about coastal parts of Alaska and British Columbia,

722
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.559
and I've heard this from folks in these areas, they

723
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.519
you know, they'll be out in the middle of nowhere,

724
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.280
going between the mainland and an island chain, and there's

725
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.639
a lot of these islands all over the place, Southeast

726
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.320
Alaska Peninsula, all these areas, British Columbia, and they'll come

727
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.599
across Elk swimming between mountain lions, black bears, they'll come.

728
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.719
They'll be swimming from the mainland to these islands sometimes

729
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.800
miles apart, really kind of surprising. And there's stories supposedly

730
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.840
that this that sasquatches have been seen doing the same thing,

731
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.639
swimming between islands and different areas. And so that's where

732
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.400
I guess this lore of this kushtaka thing comes from

733
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.559
the land otterman because it's a hairy manlike creature that

734
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.079
seems swimming, but it also produces a sound of a

735
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.800
baby crying to lure women in so so is the

736
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:47.639
lore right, So, I don't know, kind of a very

737
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.199
intriguing sort of precedent. You know. We try to disprove

738
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.039
that by we had a female researcher with us on

739
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.039
one of the trips, on the second trip out there,

740
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.800
and again that was the trip where we don't really

741
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.800
hear much at all, and we had her singing and

742
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.480
all kinds of stuff, just to see like, hey, is

743
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.519
there any anything this might conjure, you know, because four

744
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.519
guys sitting in the woods with guns, you know what,

745
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.679
that's probably gonna put off a very different vibe than

746
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.880
you know, woman singing or doing something, you know, just

747
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.880
a sound of voice, you pheromones, all kinds of stuff.

748
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.400
So we try and we never really experienced anything of

749
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.400
note with that. But again, that baby crying sound has

750
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.679
really only been heard on a couple occasions when when

751
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.119
were there. I just think statistically it's a little weird.

752
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.400
You would imagine if it's just some random animal that like,

753
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.800
you'd at least hear it another occasion of all the

754
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.079
times those guys go out there, But it's not the case.

755
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.719
So that's probably one of the more intriguing and bizarre

756
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:48.360
parts of of the whole area A kind of story. Now,

757
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.800
I gotta say, of course, as I always say, you know,

758
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.360
I don't we don't have a proof of what's doing

759
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.920
this or whether it is SaaS question or now this

760
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.000
is obviously all just kind of theorizing and you know,

761
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.760
basing it off of previous profiles of behavior. But whatever's

762
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.480
going on, there's something mysterious. I don't know what it is,

763
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.960
or if it's some physical entity or something, but something

764
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.000
unusual is happening. And what's really interesting is, you know,

765
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.320
a lot of these really credible reports in my opinion,

766
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.639
of sasquatch encounter, some of the ones that come to

767
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.760
mind my top ten. None of these people really looking

768
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.199
for it. It's just they happen to be in rural

769
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.199
or wilderness areas, whether they were working as a park

770
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:34.960
ranger or just camping, hiking, hunting that sort of thing, fishing,

771
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.760
and they had an encounter there was they weren't actually

772
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.840
seeking it. You know, there's been people who have claimed

773
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.760
to have had encounters while looking for bigfoot, sure, but

774
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.599
I'm talking about just the kind of the most most

775
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.119
interesting eyewitnesses to me are the ones that don't that

776
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:49.639
We're just I don't know if it's the right place,

777
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.719
right time, or whatever the case may be. And this

778
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.159
is certainly the case of the area a you know,

779
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.960
I know the property owner very well. He just wanted

780
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.559
to build a cabin and have fun and you know,

781
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.360
have a play to kind of spend time with friends

782
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.400
and family, and this all this stuff started happening. Like

783
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.960
he never wanted any of this stuff, and he really

784
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.920
doesn't like a lot of attention from it as well.

785
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.920
So he's been gracious enough over the years to allow

786
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.400
us access to go out there and research and you know,

787
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.360
do our filming and see what's going on. But you know,

788
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.920
this is not something like he's he's trying to turn

789
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.519
this into some kind of, you know, a thing. It's

790
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.880
just it is what it is right right right now.

791
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.000
There's been huge debate over whether Bigfoot is biological or

792
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.159
something more mysterious altogether.

793
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.599
Where do you fall on that spectrum? You know, I

794
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.920
never fully commit. I mean, I am definitely I would

795
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:48.079
say more on the kind of relic hominid, which I

796
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.079
guess would be sort of flesh and blood. I mean,

797
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.880
I don't know, I think because there is allegedly, you know,

798
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.199
there's all these alleged footprints and hair samples and rocks

799
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.559
being thrown, that sort of stuff. That's like a physical

800
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.960
man festation of some kind of phenomena. So that's what

801
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.000
I lean towards. And if you look at there's a

802
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.039
precedent for hominids existing, like we are an upright, somewhat

803
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.079
hairy some of us more than others, a species of

804
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.960
upright hominids, right like, that is a established fact given

805
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.719
by us. Whereas you have other non bipedal primates chimps, gorillas,

806
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.960
rank tanks, that sort of thing, A lot of the

807
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.719
lesser primates too, So there's a precedent for that sort

808
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.639
of thing. I don't know. A lot of people talk

809
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.960
about some of the more paranormal aspects of alleged Bigfoot sightings.

810
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.320
I don't know. I don't really look into that a

811
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.519
whole lot, because majority of the sightings, in my opinion,

812
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.079
are pretty mundane, like people. A very common type of

813
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.639
sighting is people saw across the road, like, oh, I

814
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.159
saw something across the road. There's nothing inherently paranormal. I

815
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.679
guess about that in terms of just what they're witnessing,

816
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.360
like there's no other weird details. I think a lot

817
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.960
of the paranormal details nowadays stick out because in a

818
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.360
world where we're inundated with podcasts, tons of shows about

819
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.880
these sorts of things, everyone's looking for the next crazy,

820
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.000
big story. And if you've just got ten witnesses that

821
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.440
just say, yeah, across the road or we saw it

822
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.119
near our camp in itself, you know, that may not

823
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.280
be a very interesting sighting as opposed to somebody claiming

824
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.400
there was UFO was involved, and all this other kind

825
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.559
of stuff that's unverifiable just sort of happening going on.

826
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.280
That makes for more compelling and interesting story. So I

827
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.320
think that's why a lot of those stories get more

828
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.079
prominence than maybe like the mundane stories that just kind

829
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.920
of fit the data set. But I don't know. I

830
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.079
can't say one hundred percent. I don't there's really no experts.

831
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.360
I'm surely not an expert. I really just try to

832
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.119
go off of my experiences and the people I've talked

833
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:43.960
to and come to trust.

834
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:43.960
And.

835
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.360
I don't know, the debate will probably rage until you

836
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.440
know there is some sort of physical specimen or there's

837
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.239
some other way to substantiate it. I really don't know.

838
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.840
I just again, I really try to stick to my

839
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:01.559
experiences and my investigations. And you know, an area, there

840
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.480
haven't really been any other strange things reported from what

841
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.880
I understand. People haven't seen orbs or any other weird

842
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.039
lights that sometimes gets associated with other areas that have

843
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.199
a history of activity. And it's all been pretty standard

844
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.880
rock rocks being thrown, and we heard some knocks, you know,

845
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:21.079
we heard a tree crash, and then we looked up

846
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.079
in that area and we possibly saw something duck, you know,

847
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.320
and like that that sort of stuff. It's it's and

848
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.440
that's true to what I've experienced out there too. It's

849
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:33.000
it's very that is. I don't know if it seems

850
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.480
physical or it just sounds that way. That's kind of

851
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.280
my interpretation at least. Okay, but now.

852
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.800
We're in the stage of what we consider modern technology. Yeah,

853
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.639
and despite that modern technology, we yet to see any

854
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:55.360
definitive proof over years decades of searching for this elusive creature.

855
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.199
Two questions, Sarah, I guess, First.

856
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.039
Why do you think people still hold on to the

857
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.559
belief that it does exist despite not having any definitive proofs?

858
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.679
And also, do you think with modern technology we are

859
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.079
actually getting closer to finding that definitive proof.

860
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.599
Yeah, that's a good question, one that comes up a lot.

861
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.480
And I mean the long and short of it is,

862
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.800
I don't really know, but I can give my kind

863
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:23.039
of theories about possibly why. I think overall there's still

864
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.480
are you know, even in this day and age, there's

865
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.239
all this technology we have, there's still so much wilderness

866
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.679
and space out there in North America. I've been to

867
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.679
quite a few of these places, and it's frightening how

868
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.360
much territory there is. I mean, driving from into parts

869
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.159
of Canada up to Alaska on the Alaska Highway, there's

870
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.239
areas that you could just hike off a couple miles

871
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.000
off the road and never be seen again with the

872
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.480
amount of space that's out there. And I think that's

873
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.639
one factory. The other factor is there really isn't that

874
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.440
many people that are truly in a kind of scientific

875
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:59.360
or very rigorous fashion looking for evidence of sasquatch. I mean,

876
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.480
there's not very very many biologists or scientists. There's a

877
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.000
handful of groups that approach it very seriously. There's a

878
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.480
lot of weekend warriors and enthusiasts, so people that oh,

879
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.360
we're going to go look for bigfoot in this national

880
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.440
forest this weekend, and they spend a couple of nights

881
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.320
out there that sort of thing. So if you look

882
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.239
at how much space there is and how many people

883
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:23.199
are actually looking and examining these areas, it's it's very minuscule.

884
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.880
And then among you know, if you judge how people

885
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.880
are doing things amongst that, there's very few people doing

886
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:33.079
it in a very kind of meticulous and scientific way

887
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.440
like that we would need for data like, Okay, we

888
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.800
observed this night we had a rock thron here, and

889
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.440
they have full detailed notes of it. It's usually just like, oh,

890
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.840
we heard we had something happen, and you know, there's

891
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.480
really no paper trail or way to verify kind of

892
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.840
or not necessarily paper trail, but like verification documentation sort

893
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.639
of thing of what took place. So I don't think

894
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.079
there's truly a lot of people. I think there's a

895
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:56.800
lot of enthusiasts and a lot of people who go

896
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.800
out there. And then of course you got to worry

897
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.199
about confirmation by and not every twig snap you hear

898
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.000
in the woods is a big foot sort of thing.

899
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.119
I think a lot of times it happens you got

900
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.360
a big group of people together and are primed they

901
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.400
want this activity to happen, so any sound they hear,

902
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.880
oh my god. You know, you have to really strive

903
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.119
and be very critical and skeptical of everything you're experiencing

904
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.079
and try to explain it away before you jump to

905
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.599
the conclusion that, oh it's it definitely had to be

906
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.280
a sasquatch, right, like that should be the last thing.

907
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.960
And then, as I mentioned earlier, with some of the

908
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.519
more credible stories, it seems like a lot of those

909
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.880
encounters are not necessarily people who are looking. They're just

910
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.440
out in the woods, out in the wilderness, doing all

911
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.199
sorts of things, like mundane sort of things. So I

912
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.800
don't know if that has anything to do with it,

913
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.440
just if that's whether that's coincidental. You know, if these

914
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.519
things are as intelligent as they are, they probably know

915
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.559
if people are going in the woods and banging on

916
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.480
trees and making these loop sounds, they're probably going to

917
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.639
figure out, Yeah, they might be mimicking us, you know,

918
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.239
So I don't think we should go towards them. Whereas

919
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.360
someone's out chainsawing a piece of forest that has been

920
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.280
unpuched for decades on your turf and you might go

921
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.280
check it out, like, hey, let me throw some rocks

922
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.440
this guy, get them out of here. That's just me,

923
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.280
you know, kind of making an assumption, but I would assume.

924
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.400
But you know, that kind of pattern has been reported

925
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.880
over the years, and yeah, I don't know. I think

926
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.119
the debate is going to rage until you know there's

927
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:28.400
more evidence. There's there's a lot of alleged evidence, so footprints,

928
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.920
hair samples, pieces of video. But a problem is a

929
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.039
lot of that evidence is subjective. It's not proof, right,

930
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.239
like you have evidence improof proving something. You can have

931
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.760
evidence all kinds of things, but you know, even in

932
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.079
like a legal trial, think about how much evidence they

933
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.400
gather and how long it takes them to make the

934
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.800
case to definitively prove hey, this guy did this. You know,

935
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.440
they can have all sorts of great evidence, but you know,

936
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.639
on on its individual merits, it may not be worth much,

937
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.519
you know, as opposed to like the larger case. You know,

938
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.800
I'm certainly not a legal scholar. That's just kind of

939
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.840
my interpretation. But but yeah, I don't know. I mean,

940
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.400
the bottom line is there is something going on. In

941
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.880
my opinion, you know, I've experienced enough and talked to

942
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.559
enough people that there is there's some mystery phenomena going

943
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.480
on out there, and I don't know if we're any

944
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.920
closer or any further. Certainly there's a lot of modern tech,

945
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.400
but even now, it's so hard to get a really

946
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.599
good picture of you know, wildlife that runs in front

947
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.320
of your car. I've had giant moose run in front

948
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.840
of me and by the time I had my phone out,

949
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.159
it's already gone in the bush and it has you know,

950
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:34.280
it's six feet wide with its antlers. It's like, where

951
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.840
did they go? I mean, so, I don't know, it's

952
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.880
a there. There's again, I don't think there's enough people

953
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:46.119
seriously looking in a very meticulous fashion. I mean, you know,

954
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:50.800
in a place like Alaska, there's basically nobody looking you know,

955
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.519
weakend warriors. But there's no there's not a scientific team

956
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.119
in a place like Area A that's there six months

957
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.880
out of the year doing rotations that have thermal camera everywhere, right,

958
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.000
Like that is just not happening anywhere. And most of

959
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.039
the stories are coming from people just randomly in these environments.

960
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.400
And then then you've got the weekend Warrior kind of

961
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.480
stuff all over the place, and I'm a lot of enthusiasts,

962
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.400
but you know, we have to sift through some of

963
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.639
that to kind of see if it's valid or not.

964
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.519
So yeah, that doesn't really paint a really good picture

965
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:26.079
because it's like there's really there's nobody really truly kind

966
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.119
of engaged in this kind of surgeon of way that

967
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.199
we would need. And it's difficult, like, you know, people

968
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.119
people have their own lives, like you know, I wish

969
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.119
I could spend a year on location in a place

970
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:36.719
like that and just try to learn as much as

971
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.519
I could, but that's so logistically tough to do, right, right,

972
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.320
So I don't know. I'd like to say we are

973
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:48.159
hopefully closer, But I don't know at this point. I'm

974
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:50.800
just kind of, you know, speaking from my personal experiences,

975
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.480
just happy to be out in some of these environments

976
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.880
and see if there's anything viable or if anything happens

977
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:57.440
sort of thing.

978
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.360
Yeah, And I remember when I was like speaking on

979
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:05.480
just the elusivity of animals in general, and when I

980
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.679
was about eight years old, I was riding my big

981
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.639
wheel at the time through the metro parks my parents

982
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.280
and here in Cleveland. Much of the metro parks line

983
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.039
the Cayhaga Valley National Park, and I was ahead of

984
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.280
them quite a bit, and I remember like looking off

985
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.760
to the left and at the time, like all I

986
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.039
saw was a glimpse and it looked like a giant

987
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:28.199
be bear on its hind legs like rubbing up or

988
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.159
scratch uplicates a tree, and like, I mean, the guys,

989
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.960
I'm scared of that. So I turned around to feedback right,

990
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.559
and maybe no more than two minutes between when I

991
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.480
turned around, I went back to my parents and ended

992
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.880
up right back where we were. That thing was completely gone.

993
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.760
There was nothing, no trace, no idea what it like,

994
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.480
what it really was like. In my mind, it was

995
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.199
a bear and like, thinking back now, I was like,

996
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.920
what it could it have been Bigfoot? You know, could

997
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.159
it been something else? But it's crazy to think of

998
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:57.000
like how large many animals within the forest are and

999
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:01.760
how quickly they do disappear. It's their superpower really, and

1000
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.920
so with big it's kind of it's very much the

1001
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.960
same way. It's like how he just pops up in

1002
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.840
many places seemingly and it just vanishes. And a lot

1003
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.280
of people, I think nowadays, are tracing that to like, oh,

1004
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.840
it must not be a physical being, it must be spiritual,

1005
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.360
it must be ethereal or something like that. But it's like, no,

1006
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.360
when you look at the history of just animals in general,

1007
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.960
and those that are wild animals, they are fully capable

1008
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.639
and fully tuned to disappear on when that's kind of

1009
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.760
like what they do, and it's how they start. Yeah,

1010
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.920
you know, so it's yeah, I agree, I think it's

1011
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.159
very possible. It's still a physical being, and the fact

1012
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.639
that we're not seeing it has nothing to do with,

1013
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.199
you know, the technology. It's just that animals and instincts

1014
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.119
tend to work better and more efficiently than where technology can,

1015
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.760
and it's it's just is how it is.

1016
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.760
Well, yeah, I mean, it's like you mentioned with wildlife,

1017
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.559
it's incredible. You know, I've been in the woods and

1018
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.880
had no idea moose was very close to me until

1019
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:04.960
it started move. You know. I sat for a little

1020
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:06.639
bit and just listened and realized, oh my god, there's

1021
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.880
been a moose there the whole time. And we're talking

1022
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.119
about an animal that can be almost one thousand pounds.

1023
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.599
And you know, if it doesn't want to be stealthy,

1024
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.000
it doesn't want to be stealthy. I've had moose run

1025
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.800
past my tent in northern Maine at six in the

1026
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.400
morning and it's like a stampede running past your tent.

1027
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.800
And then other times you won't even hear it moving.

1028
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.920
I mean, it's incredible, right, I mean, here in northern

1029
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.840
New England, we've got god. I mean, I think the

1030
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.960
numbers are between fifty to seventy thousand moose. I know,

1031
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.960
the numbers kind of ebb and flow, but they're the

1032
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.280
most amount of moose anywhere in the United States outside

1033
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.880
of Alaska, which obviously has many. I mean they're everywhere.

1034
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.639
You see them all over the place, even in suburban Anchorage.

1035
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:51.360
That's how close the wilds are to nature now to

1036
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.280
cities and civilization and places like Alaska. About it here.

1037
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.719
You know, I live in the woods and we have

1038
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.199
moose around here regularly, and I'm only ever, I've never

1039
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:01.599
even seen one of my property. I've gone it on

1040
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.800
trail camera a few times. That's it, Like, I've never

1041
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.679
seen one out here. I've seen plenty of moose in

1042
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.079
other areas and run into them over the years. But

1043
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.440
knowing that there's that number of moose around you and

1044
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.280
most of the time you go out you never see

1045
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.599
one at all, it's very intriguing, kind of like where

1046
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:24.360
are they there? There's somewhere out hunkered down, And let's

1047
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.400
say there's only twenty sasquatch and like one large area

1048
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.760
of northern Maine, that's nothing compared to the fact that

1049
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.679
there's thousands upon thousands of more moose and there's thirty

1050
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.559
thousand black bear. So biologically speaking, the habitat there is

1051
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.280
rich enough to support humongous, large mammals that weigh thousands

1052
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:48.039
of pounds and you know, consume many many calories daily

1053
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.519
and also are active year round. In the case of

1054
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.239
moose and deer, that sort of thing. Obviously, bear hibernate

1055
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:57.320
for most of the winter, but there is a precedent

1056
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:01.320
for large animals surviving on the iron. But again, to

1057
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.119
go back to the debate, I mean, I don't know

1058
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.599
what exactly these things are. What they are obviously people

1059
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.039
still wonder, oh, they probably don't even exist. I don't

1060
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.760
know what is going on, Like something he's going on,

1061
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.840
people were having some encounters with something. Not every single

1062
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.719
person is lying. I've too many people that I trust

1063
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.960
that really I don't know why they would make up

1064
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.079
a story like this. And then the other interesting factor

1065
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.679
is a lot of the on my travels I've run

1066
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.880
into people who and you know, over the years of

1067
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.599
researching people who have had an encounter but they don't

1068
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.199
want to tell it publicly. They don't want to be

1069
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.280
a podcasts, they don't want any attention, but they have

1070
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.039
this story and a lot of times they have PTSD.

1071
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.960
I mean, I've got a friend who gets who claims

1072
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.760
to have had a sighting of a creature while driving

1073
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.079
and looked at it. And whenever we go out camping

1074
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:50.360
with him, he has like he's he's scared, he doesn't

1075
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.559
want to stay out at night. He gets these kind

1076
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.000
of very uneasy feelings like I don't want to say trauma. Yeah,

1077
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.559
I guess trauma would be some like a PTSD kind

1078
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:03.039
of thing. And it's like if there's something real causing that,

1079
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:05.280
I don't think it's all just kind of in his head.

1080
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.760
And that's something that with other witnesses too that have

1081
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.960
had you know, scarier kind of encounters where they felt

1082
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.400
like their life was threatened. I've heard this from hunters

1083
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.159
people that I have interviewed over the years. One gentleman

1084
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.480
in particular who talked about, you know, he was an

1085
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.159
avid turkey hunter and he had kind of face to

1086
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.440
face one of these things and you know, he didn't

1087
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.400
want to hunt for years after that. He could not

1088
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.559
get himself to go back into the woods and that

1089
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.719
was like his number one thing that he liked to do.

1090
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:34.480
I've heard that story time and time again. So it's

1091
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.719
people like that that don't want any attention. And a

1092
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.519
lot of times, especially here in New England, some of

1093
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:41.280
the stories like in New Hampshire that I've taken over

1094
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.199
the years, like it's almost like pulling teeth to get

1095
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:45.920
the person to trust you and they finally let their

1096
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.239
guard down to tell you their story, but they're like,

1097
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:49.800
you're not going to put this out anywhere, Like, I

1098
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.039
don't want this, you know, my job is too important.

1099
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:53.599
I don't want to be a crazy big foot person.

1100
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.039
I think that attitude is changing a little bit now

1101
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.519
because of the prevalence of a lot of shows in

1102
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:03.880
the podcast, and it's like, are culturally ubiquitous. But I

1103
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.119
don't know it's some of these people, man, Like I've

1104
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.760
talked to people who are very educated. We're talking PhDs,

1105
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:16.519
to former Secret Service members, all sorts of educated folks,

1106
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.920
to folks that are not educated but know the woods

1107
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.199
but like the back of their hand, every kind of

1108
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:26.360
spectrum law enforcement, military, all sorts of backgrounds that all

1109
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:30.800
have consistent reports and stories, and many of them either

1110
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.679
don't want to share publicly or you know, will only

1111
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.039
under very specific circumstances kind of share their story with you.

1112
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.880
So it's perplexing when you kind of think about it.

1113
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.480
I don't think every single one of them is lying

1114
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.480
or misinterpreting or misidentifying. Like, yes, there may be a

1115
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.639
portion of that, certainly. You know, there's a lot of

1116
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.360
people that do make stories up and if it gets

1117
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.519
me on podcast or oh, I can make some money

1118
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.440
off this. But there's red flags. And then there's the

1119
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.800
guy that you know, he's leasing a hunting cabin in

1120
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.239
the woods, and all this stuff happened over the course

1121
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.480
of a decade and never would have known his story

1122
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.119
had he not told somebody who was interested in that

1123
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:12.800
kind of stuff.

1124
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.760
I don't right, you know, And I think it's like

1125
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.920
for those who are like seem to be deathly afraid,

1126
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.320
you know, like your friends who are too afraid to

1127
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:22.719
be outside.

1128
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:23.880
They don't want to be dark.

1129
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.119
You know, even if they didn't see They put it

1130
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.960
this way, if they thought they saw something but they

1131
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:33.199
were unsure, they wouldn't be so afraid. But humans have

1132
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.519
a natural instinct, a prival instinct where it's like, even

1133
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.400
if you don't connect the dots, there's a familiarity and

1134
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.360
a fear that clicks in. And so even if you're

1135
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.760
unsure of what you saw, a fear is there because

1136
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:48.599
you know what you saw, right, even if you can't

1137
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.760
quite point it out.

1138
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.400
Yeah. Yeah, I think there's something to be said about

1139
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:58.320
the people that they claim to have had a sighting

1140
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:04.639
and they have some sort of traumatic response to being

1141
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.119
in the location where it happened, or being out after dark.

1142
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.119
That sort of thing I mean, I've witnessed that firsthand,

1143
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:13.800
and I don't know, it's it's a little perplexing. I'm

1144
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.440
not I'm not a psychologist. I don't you know, a

1145
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.760
sociologist anything like that. I don't know how to diagnose

1146
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.039
that stuff professionally. But when you when you get to

1147
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.920
know somebody and you know they're they're all fun and jolly,

1148
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.519
and then when it gets dark, you know, they're like

1149
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:34.079
a nervous nelly, and it's like they're a different person

1150
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.920
at that point. Right, It's just kind of unusual. It's

1151
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.280
something that I kind of grapple with a lot trying

1152
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:44.519
to try to rationalize and and understand and any like

1153
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.360
what what's the motivation behind a story like that?

1154
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:48.599
Right?

1155
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:51.480
And I'm some of the again, some of the people

1156
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.400
I'm thinking of just people that I've become friends with now,

1157
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:57.079
and I know, like they're not trying to make a

1158
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.159
million dollars on these stories. They're not trying to get

1159
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.840
on every podcast, TV show and all that kind of stuff.

1160
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:04.639
A lot of them that have become researchers now is

1161
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.239
because they had an experience and they have this kind

1162
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.800
of desire to want to know what it was they

1163
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.960
want to know more. I've got a friend of mine

1164
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.760
that he had this kind of weird tent encounter where

1165
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he saw this strange hand and a brushing up against

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his tent up in the White Mountains in New Hampshire,

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and you know, he's thinking, oh my god, is this

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person messing with me? And then he heard this kind

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of guttural vocalization, weird vocal that went through his chest

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and vibrated into the like it just vibrated through the

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chest very loud, and it freaked him out and he

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didn't know what it was. He never thought bigfoot for

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years until he saw a documentary featuring a biologist named

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John Mainzinski talking about an encounter similar encounter he had

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in the tent where you know, something was kind of

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messing with his camp while he was up in a

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remote area in Wyoming in the mountains surveying sheep. I believe,

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as you know, as a biologist and you know, had

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this kind of serious of sasquatch encounters. And my friend

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saw that show years after his encounter, It's like, is

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that what I experienced? You know, because he did. And

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then you hear that a lot. Actually, you know, two

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of some of my top witnesses in my kind of book,

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my mental book of encounters, they talk about hearing a vocalization.

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They feel the vocalization now whether or not that's because

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it's like immense power or some people talk about frequencies.

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You know, animals can produce these these infrasonic or low frequencies.

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A friend of mine head encounter with an alligator and

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I believe he's Texas or Louisiana. It was, like he said,

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I was twelve fifteen feet away from it and it

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did this low grumbling sound and I got this instant

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wave of fear that came over me. Intimidating predator. I

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don't know, you know why our bodies responding like that,

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but you hear that with these sasquatch encounters too. Again,

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my friend he saw that hand brushing up against his

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tent as he's in the tent with his with his

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young son and mother of the son at the time,

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and he's thinking fight or flight, like op, this is

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some guy gotta go mess with him, and then he

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hears this sound that kind of freaks him out. And

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based off of that encounter, that kind of led him

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into wanting to find out more. And he's like I

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want to see one of these things. You know, I

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don't know if that's what I encountered, but that's what

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he wants to He wants to find out more. And

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so that's really interesting the folks that get into the

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research or the investigation side of things because they had

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a defining encounter or an experience. Yeah, so there's certainly

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a lot to ponder, certainly a lot to ponder.

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Yeah, Well, we could probably talk to you for the

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rest of the night, but it is time to let

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you go. So I wanted to give you a chance

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to tell everybody where they can find you find your work.

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The MIC's all yours absolutely, Yeah, So, I mean most

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of my work is found on small Town Monsters. So

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we are an independent production company. As I was talking

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about earlier. We do a lot of different documentaries, bigfoot, UFOs, cryptids,

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other sort of strange topics as well. Is called Beyond

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the Trail. You can find a lot of the stuff

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I've specifically talked about tonight linked on my website, Pettakov Media.

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It's p E T A k o Vmedia dot com.

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You know, that's got links to all my social media

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and all the other kind of stuff. Too, but I

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also have links on my film and video page which

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has links to all the series and things that I

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mentioned over the course of tonight. So yeah, that's kind

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of the best place to find me in my work.

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And you know, if I could just end on the

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note saying, you know, people keep an open mind. We

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really don't have the answers. We don't know the truth.

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There's a lot of strange things out there, and I

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hope we'll get to the bottom of it. If not,

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then I mean, I'm just enjoying the journey as it

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goes along, and you know, getting experience some of these

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beautiful locations and hopefully other people will be inspired to

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do the same. Awesome, all right, Alex, thank you so

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much for being on Paratruth be Born sounds good. Thanks guys.

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All Right, folks, a lot of great stuff coming up

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for you, so tune in every week until next week

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where you'll find this same time, same channel.

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My name is Justin and I'm Eric Pace.
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Aleksandar Petakov

Filmmaker, Outdoorsman & Adventurer

Aleksandar is a documentary filmmaker, outdoorsman and avid adventurer constantly searching for the unknown. Traveling across North America and the world, Aleksandar has looked into various mysteries including Cryptozoological creatures like Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Lake Champlain Monster, Mystery Big Cats and bizarre phenomenon and mysterious places like the Bridgewater Triangle. He is a Small Town Monsters crew member and has created various documentaries, and docu-series about these mystery topics, most notably of which is “Bigfoot: Beyond the Trail”, which has amassed over 23 million collective views on YouTube.