Savannah Ghosts: Conversations With The Spirits of Americas Most Haunted City w/Brian Byers

0:00 Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we talked to Brian Byers about his conversations with ghosts in Savannah. Welcome, Welcome, Well do Parah Truth Truth? How's it going Paratruthers. Welcome to another episode of Paratruth Reborn.

0:44 My name is Justin and I'm Eric. And today, as the beginning stated, we're talking to Brian Byers about his new book in their own words, Spirits of Savannah. Brian, welcome back to Pair True three Born. Thank you guys. It's good to see you guys again. Hopefully you guys are doing well. We are doing great. Mm hmm. I like that. Well, great is great is probably the better side of what you can be. So that's one hundred percent. So I think the biggest question, and we asked you know. Everybody, is why write this type of book or right this book period?

1:27 Well I have a really great answer because now at. The publisher made me do it. We hear that. This is definitely self published. Well, there's a million Savannah ghost books, you know, and Jen and I we own you know, we own the Mystic Apothecary in Savannah, Georgia, and we also own Savannah Psychics we also own Savannah Ghost Tours, which those are the three businesses we have. And as we learned the tour You're ago, I developed it and maybe be what we wanted to be. We started hearing all of these stories from other ghost to our companies coming through and going is that. I, Oh, that's odd. I can't find that they're saying things and I can't find the information. And I'm a medium. So one day I'm in Right Square and I'm like hanging out and I can feel different energy in there, and I'm picking up on one of the spirits and I'm like, okay, I understand who this is. This is Richard Weist. So I'm like, let me just talk to him. Hey, did you guys get really hung from this tree? Matt? You know, I'm asking, like straight for it, like the punchline to the story. He says no, and I'm like, wow, that's wild because that's not what we've heard. Found out later it was a gallows. They actually we're hung from a gallows, not a tree. So the trees in Savannah they're really

2:58 big and beautiful, and everyone says there's just one tree. They call it hanging tree. And everyone says they were hung there. Sure a lot of people were hung in that square, but they were hung by gallows. And Richard was one of the first, if not the first, And yeah, he said no, it was a gallows. How he didn't like to really talk about it much, but we got a little conversation going. I started thinking, we're going to have to change some of the things we've learned. And it took me years, you know, just sort of wandering around so that, you know, can I choot someone to talk to me, kind of get a voice, and I just started writing them down. And obviously when a medium gets words, we're not getting you know, we're not getting a written document that would be wonderful, that'd be amazing.

3:46 So I had to discern what was being said and try to put it in their words the best they could. But that's why the book started. And I didn't realize it was going to be a book. I was really working on it for our tour guides and up being the book. So that's that's why I'm like, it's probably the It is the only ghost book I know where a medium is interpreting for the spirits, you know, in a city. So so it's their stories just trying to get it straight. Yeah, now, what led you into spirit communication? In general? You know a lot of people get led.

4:26 I woke up when I was born and oddly have always spoken with different, different spiritual beings. And my mom figured it out early, you know, when I'm like, you know, a little kid. And it wasn't that I was led into it. It just I didn't know what was wrong. You know, no one ever said, oh, it's just your imagination, go back to bed. My mom was always well, tell me more, what are they saying? And I would just reveal more and more, and I think people started realizing and yeah, that's that, can't you know, that's that's not just like a make believe friend. They're actually really talking to someone and getting information. So you know, and Jen is like that too, my wife the same. We almost have the same story. We just were born a little different.

5:18 I think everyone kind of is, but some of us are. Yeah. I always used a baseball analogy. You know, you can start a baseball team. You can be born a picture, but not everyone's born a picture. Sometimes you have to train to learn how to be a picture, you know. But Jen and I were born pictures, and that's just we've sort of done in our old life, and no one's ever told this not to, so it wasn't really led. But I think we were just not told not to, so we just do it. And I mean, Justin, I've known you for twenty five thirty years. I don't know, man, it's been a long time.

6:00 It's been at least twenty close to when we started podcasting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, back before there was no podcast and we were the first man we were the pioneers. But yeah, Justin evenknew back then. I was a little weird, you know, and I just knew things, you know. Well, that's the nice thing about getting to know you is not only have you become a very good friend, a brother, but also one of my best mentors. And you know, going through the spiritual awakening that I have gone through in the past ten years, fifteen years in two months, well yeah that too. You know. It's been one of those things where I need somebody to talk to because I can talk to my wife Shelly about it, but she has no clue about it. She doesn't understand it.

6:58 I feel she is sensed, but she doesn't want to open that door. And I'm like, that's fair. Enough because if I wouldn't have opened that door, I probably would not want to either. So you know, some people they don't embrace it. You know, they go, oh my god, that freaks me out, or it's a little weird, or is my life going to change if I if I step through the doorway And the answer is yes, you're like, but it's not so bad once you get over here, you. Know, right, Yeah, you just gotta get used to it. Well. I think also a lot of people, at least as of the last you know, ten fifteen years, kind of base this idea of spirit communication and just mediumship, often like Hollywood, off of movies, and they think, oh, it's just going to blow up and my life's going to be like a mess and ruin and not be able to turn it off. You know, It's like, it's not quite that way. It's not how it winks.

7:53 You're right, You're right, I mean, Eric, you actually hit on something there. Hollywood has really destroyed the whole idea of what really is happening. You know. I love listen. I'm a I used to be a movie director and a TV producer. I love Hollywood, I love movies, I love stuff like that. But man, they they take little kidbits that are good and then they ruin it. I think one of the better movies ever that shows a little bit of that is The Others. I think they did a great job in that movie. That's closer to reality, though it is a little dramatic. They're seance scene. That's legit, man, that is how that stuff flies and it is. We've had a lot of those experiences here in Savannah.

8:41 So now what makes Savannah different spiritually compared to other places? It's just more better than other place. I'm not joking. Savannah is one of the only cities in the United States that is all here. I go, Yeah, a necropolis. It's like there's been so many battles, so many deaths, and no place to put the body. So they just build this city on top of dead folks. Like they were digging up the road two years ago on Broughton Street found six bodies. Man, they just there's thousands and thousands and thousands of people that have died here that never got a burial. Now do I believe that when we die we come back and haunt our gravesite? No? No, But I do believe there's a lot of unrest because of that. A lot of spirits that are they're not like whoo, They're more like, hey man, that sucks, you know, And I really I didn't see that coming. And battles are traumas. When people die from trauma, suicides and murders, they stick longer. I've noticed. They come through just as easy as anyone else, but they are little more amped, you know, they're a little more upset in going. That's not what I wanted, Undo, Undo, you know. So we had a lot of that here. We have the Pawnee,

10:12 we have the Yamacros that were here first, the Spanish, they came in, fought the Pawnee, pushed them away. Then we had, of course, you know, the English Oglethorpe came over here to found Savannah in seventeen thirty three and brought a whole court of Highlanders with them and Darien just south of Savannah, thinking we were going to go to battle, and all these Scots came over with hammers and you know, swords, ready ready to fight, and everyone was peaceful. So they just drank and ate and had kids. Man, they just settled in. That's where our scott Irish come from.

10:53 Our blood comes from that area. That's why Savannah has such a huge Saint Patrick's Day a big huge and a lot of the Irish here are their first slaves. People don't understand that we had they're the first ones that that came here. So Savannah has a lot of history. Uh so does Europe They've had even older history. The Savannah has a lot of history that they just decided to build a city on pop off and not like bury anyone. So we have a lot of burial grounds underneath McDonald's, you know what I mean, It's like, it's weird. Why are my fries moving by themselves? Who stole the nuggets? They're plugging in the numbers.

11:36 So if you think Ghostbusters, you think Savannah. Oh one hundred percent. Man, you know they should have filmed it here, not New York. I'm just that would make way more sense, and it would have been a longer movie, maybe a trilogy. All that happened, you know, back to back. Well, now when it comes back to the book, like when did you realize that the spirits weren't just present in Savannah and around at this time, but we're actually building to talk and did you have to nudge anyone in order to get gaffstation starting. Yes, I had to nudge a lot, and I actually utilized my guide, my spirit guide, and I call him Rabbit. A lot of people don't know about him, and I know that's a weird thing to say, but very spiritual, angelic, high high order angel with a nickname. It looks nothing like a rabbit. Everyone wants to know, Oh, rabbit, how is he doing that? He's not that he's slightly intimidated and I'm kind of yeah. Times, but I had to utilize him to get words sometimes, so I had to do some things that are out of the ordinary. Most spirits love the talk. They want to come through, not men but women. But the one I thought i'd get them the highest was one of our loudest stories and Samannah about Alice Riley, one of the very first UH slaves that was hung. I thought I was going to get a lot of information from her. She hardly came through at all for me, probably because I'm a dude,

13:09 and you got to be honest. People don't change a lot. You have to understand, you know, men hung her. She was you know, raped by men. She was treated horrible by men, beaten by men, and so why would you want to talk to this dude with a beer who's saying, no, I'm a good guy. Of course, that that's not going to work. So I had to use her her lover who came through, who was Richard, and so I got him to tell her story. So I had to do some tricks here to get this to get the book written, but I did get what I think is closest to the story. There's even one of the Keiko house where there's these young twins that there's no historical evidence that they ever existed. People are saying that's a myth. Well, the twins are there, so I don't know whose they belong to, but they seem to think they did die, and I think they did die in a fireplace that collapsed on them. It sounds horrible, but that myth came from somewhere, and I think there is truth to it, though there's no historical evidence, which you know, I can't say this is a history book. I can say, according to the voices I heard, it's a history book. So now I tried my best to get the story out, but I hate that I can't find some of this as historical evidence, any documents or anything about the twins.

14:32 But there are certain stories that I go, oh, I thought that was a myth. Nope, it's true, but most of it is that's not true at all. That was a myth. But here's the truth, right. So I wanted to start out with the conversations that you've had with just the showman right here. Oh, so that's Herman Myers. He is He's a name that you won't hear in Savannah. Nobody really knows who he is anymore. Back you know, back in the early eighteen hundreds, everyone knew people who he was. And so the story is weird. How this is the reason why I even thought this was going to turn into a book.

15:17 It's because of him. I had a local historian income through and she wanted to get a medium reading. I think she wanted to talk to her grandmother, I really do. And a lot of times when you get a media reading, you can't you know, pick up a phone and call the number of the person you want to talk to. It doesn't work like that. You can't conjure them. So there's always a lot of hope. I hope someone so comes through. I hope, you know, and basically you get who you get and you don't throw a fit. That's the way it works. Like i'll tell you in a minute. Justin So, she came in and we got interrupted by him, this guy, and I said, he's got an h name.

15:58 It's like Harry or Hermann or something. And her face was just she went crazy with it. She was really She says, I don't know any Herman or Harry, and I said, he knows you, and you've got something of his, and he's excited for the world to see it. And she figured out she had this giant painting that she was having restored because somebody back in the early eighteen hundreds had taken a knife to it and slit the faceilken, and she was having her restored, and she kind of forgot that she was doing that, and she's like, oh my god. That's Herman Myers. He's the old mayor of Savannah back in the early eighteen hundreds. He's the guy that after the Civil War rebuilt Savannah and made it prosperous.

16:48 He built the city hall downtown with a big gold dome. This painting is hanging in the city Hall in his old office, which the current mayor actually uses to hold council meetings and stuff, so it's crazy that he came through, and it was excited about the painting being restored so people could see his face again, as he's a narcissist and she didn't want her reading to be about him, but it really was a lot about him for the first fifteen minutes, and then I had to tell him to kind of back off. But I thought that was so wild that he came through. It wasn't even related to her. So later she had me come to city Hall and she showed me his big portrait how it was fixed. You can still see the line where it was slit. So while I was in there, I got more information about who did it, and everyone thought it was a political thing. And it's in my book. It's the last chapter. It's the Hermann Meyers chapter. It was a lover and she was angry at him. You know, he had a couple of people on the side. He was married, but he was also seeing a couple of other ladies and this one got really angry lit his painting.

18:01 So that's the person that did it, and he was just glad to have it back because well, he loved himself. Yeah, he did a lot for commerce here in Savannah, built Bowl Street, made it what it is today, helped everyone get off their feet and get you know, tobacco stores and cigar stores going. He was a cigar connoisseur and a whiskey distiller, so he did a lot of that and made money off of that as well. But he's really the reason why I went this has got to be a book. You know. It's so once I got that down a little bit, I said, you know what, I'm just going to put it all together and let's just get it out there. You know, if people want to read what they're saying about Savannah, you get to hear their story. It's pretty cool.

18:48 It's pretty cool. It's like you're hearing history directly from the source of his mind. It makes me want to go to Jerusalem. Man, right, I'm like, let's go talk to some of the That would. Be awesome, you know, that'd be super awesome. Yea. Now when it comes to because I know you just mentioned that you're you're kind of struggling with exactly who this guy was by name. You mentioned a couple of names. She's like, oh is it so, how do you actually have these conversations like do you hear these. People audibly intuitively? Tools? And how do you discern what it is they're saying? If you're on share love It, You're right? A wonderful question.

19:30 And I've been trying to work on how to describe this to people, and I think I've gotten it down now. I can even use Justin as an example right now because there's a guy with him. Uh So, I've been talking with this guy behind Justin the whole time, this old guy all right related to Justin. Uh. I know he starts with an m. Let me do it like this. He's letting me know he's an in a short word, so one syllable he'll go buy a one syllable name. That's as far as I've gotten with him so far. But I know he's probably from Justin's dad's side of the family, so he's related. He's my grandfather. There you go, there, I go. I don't have his name yet, I just know it's him. So the way it works, I wish I could hear, I wish I could see them, but I know they're around and I go, oh, there's someone over there. So while I'm talking to you, guys, believe it or not. I have gotten pretty good at talking to them at the same time and trying to get two conversations going. Ned there's O, K. Sure it's a nick. You've got a nick or Nick that's it.

20:41 And my my dad's name is Junior Nicholas. Oh wow, that's cool. That's cool. Did your grandfather go by nick, the one, the one the short yep? Usually yeah, because he's comfortable with that. Yeah, he's fine with saying that to me, to you, so you're not. But I don't know what he looks like. I know that he's got age on him. I know that he looks younger. He doesn't like the way he looked uh, so he's probably looking like he's in his fifties or sixties. He doesn't like the whole old look. So he's picky about the way he looks. Man. So some people are. He's one of those I want to look good, you know. I don't you ever meet him? Did you know him? He seems to know you, so yeah, I mean, oh yeah, Well.

21:23 We were close to our grandpa cancel Area. He was the type who always wore a button down shirt with the slacks or something nice. Shapens he just wants to look good and he doesn't want to look he doesn't want to look old, but he doesn't want to look sloppy, you know what I mean. So he's like, I look good. I like the way I look. Just let him know I look good now. So yeah, he uh. Yeah, that were grandpa. Wow. Well hanging out with you guys, and so that's how that works. Do I get to hear them or see them? Know? But I'm asking him. You ever played a game where people right on your back, you know, yeah, and you try to guess what they're saying. It's a lot like that, but it's over here and not on your back. I wish it was on the back. It would be a lot easier. Some people will try to write in cursive and that's horrible. I'm just like, oh, okay, lots of lead sports. Right, we're doing automatic writing where you let them move the pencil in general. Note she can read their sloppy scribble and make sense of it.

22:26 So she's over my shoulder as I'm just letting it roll. And when they moved that pencil around, which is really weird. It's a really weird experience. If it's not print we're screwed. But luckily Jen can go that looks like cursive. Help help say that looks like this. And there's normally someone at the table in the salance that goes, I know who that is, you know, or they'll draw a picture. You know, that's actually cool, but it is. That's the only time you ever get to see it as like an automatic writing. Other than that, I'm doing it out here and just trying to get the right sound. I will mix up g's and j's, and I will mix if they're jazz, and I'll mix up thhs and s.

23:11 I've noticed so someone might say thissh and they're trying to say fish, and I'm like, is it a tch or F I can't tell they feel the same. And I don't know how to explain how I hear it because I'm not hearing it. So but it's a great question, Eric, I mean, that is a happy really, it's just an odd thing. You get used to doing it over time. It's like throwing a baseball, and you get used to pitching a fastball over a crew ball. You just know the feeling and the way it tastes. I don't know that sounds weird. But I know what the words tastes like a bus, so I. Mean it makes complete sense. I can't tell you how many kinds have been asked how I do something that I try to explain it and you can't.

23:56 It's like I just I just do Yah. You know that sense. It's hard to crib it if you can't describe it, so they have kind of feel it out. Yeah, he's definitely hangs out with you guys quite a bit. He must like the show. He's always one of our biggest supporters for sure, Like in Mineral in Life, he. Listens, he thinks it's great. So that's pretty cool. Man. You guys are lucky. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's from his line that we both have gotten our sensitivity from. So it doesn't surprise me that he's around. He actually came to me years ago when I was having difficulties with my ex girlfriend and he can't. I was just distraught and he's like, it's gonna be okay, kiddo. When he said kiddo, I knew who it was.

25:01 That's wild. That's wonderful. That's when you know everything's fine. Now doing this book, were there any messages out or stories that surprised you or even unsettled you at all. Oh that's a good question. Unsettled, no, I had. I have explored Savanna quite a bit, got to connect with a lot of spirits, some of them I still don't know their names. We even have some upstairs and are apothecary that I even write about on there's a chapter on the Mystic Pathecary. Three eleven West Brotton Street. We had a fire up there, and there's some gentlemen that were sleeping up there and did not get out. The only way out, because we're on the third floor is a ladder in the middle, which the fire blocked them off from the ladder and they suffocated, you know, and then they burned. I don't think that they had to experience the the burn part. They seem fine with the whole thing. But it's cool to get more information. One of the guys we know, he came through in a silence.

26:11 His name is Moses, and very cool, very cool guy, very nice. He just sort of hangs out with Jen in the back on which is pretty funny. But our friends Chris and Megan, they owned the Savanna Paranormal Museum down the street. When we first met them. We were just talking and I told Chris that, you know, we've got a guy that used to deliver grain and cotton from River Street, which is only three blocks away from us up to mister Kypothecary. His name is Moses. And Chris was like what because he had an experience at Moon River the brewery with a guy named Moses that overwhelmed them, saying the same design. He said, he looks just like the guy I was describing. He was freaked out because he's like, you must be real because I experienced that also. So our Moses guy has been in and out of buildings all over Savannah downtown in that little block three or four block area delivering goods. So he feels very comfortable in our area. But it's cool to get that information from Chris, going, Wow, you had the same guy. And even Megan, his wife, was like, I can't believe it because she was with Chris during that and actually helped him because Chris started to black out.

27:36 Was not used to having that type of spiritual encounter, and so she helped him. But you know, we had just met him. It was like the first day we met, so they were a little freaked out that. I'm like, you're you're Moses lives upstairs from us man, So you know, he's like, well, that'd be cool to meet him again, you know. So I think he's cool now with wanting to do that. But yeah, So when you talk to so many different spirits, like, do you find a lot of reoccurring personalities or types of spirits even in the Sapana area. You know, in the Savannah area there's not as many old spirits anymore. So you know, I can say the personalities don't change much. Like I can tell you men don't like to talk much. You know, if we get a guy that comes into a reading, I'm always going, oh great, that's a guy. You know. Even if the person wants a guy to come through, they're like, oh, guy's coming through. I'm like, yes, there's a male energy here.

28:41 I can feel them. They're excited, and I'm feeling disappointed because men are like, they don't change a lot when they cross over. People don't change a lot when you cross If you're if you're like I don't like to share my feelings or I don't like to talk much. I just like to pay attention and listen, which a lot of men, like sixty percent of men are like them, so I know there's a high chance that they're not going to say a lot and my client might be disappointed. However, women like to talk a lot more and they like to share their details, and I get excited, Oh we've got a woman. This is great. So those styles of personalities all throughout Savannah don't change much. But I've noticed the older spirits don't come through as often as you know.

29:29 And this is going to sound crazy like celebrities that don't even live in Savannah that No, I'm a medium show up. And we've had some weird moments guys, like the same day O. J. Simpson died, he came through in a seance where we didn't know he died. That day. We had the same thing with the drummer from Food Fighters. I mean, Jen and I are just trying to do our thing for a group of people that want to talk to their relatives in a seance setting and a sayan setting. You're opening up for everyone. So that's what I do when I'm just walking down the street, I just try to open up and feel what can I feel. We get a lot of new folk that aren't even from here that you know, Oh you're a medium. I wanted to deliver a message or and they do. They come through very loud and clear. But there's some people that just were in car accidents, you know, I like in the seventies and eighties that come through there. It's just regular folk, you know. But that's not a book people want to read about. It is a guy named Jeff Taylor, you know, that used to work at Walgreens. Well, we don't care about that as much as the history of Savannah. So that's why I knew that was a good point. If I could get enough spiritual interaction, I could build a book. There's still like four chapters I didn't add because I never got enough information. You know, I got enough to say, there's a guy there in the cemetery. I don't know who it is.

30:52 You know. That's not a good chapter. But now is that something though that you might continue to work on and then the book? Yeah, do a second edition. If I can get some more information, I will totally feed it into that and we'll do a second edition, definitely. But I'm not going to do a whole other book. I don't like to have volume two it's the same book, same concept. But yeah, if I get more information, that'd be great. And there's still a couple I'm hoping I can get more info on. Yeah, now do spirits express unfinished business or something else entirely, because you know, the common thread that people think of is and again this is because of pop culture that spirits are here because of unfinished business.

31:43 Quote unquote, no, no, misnomer, that's not true. However, like today had a medium reading. I know we don't divulge too much information, but a mail did come through Brazen with a lot of push for this one lady and they were all three sisters sitting there today and said, you need to tell him to get off his ass, stop wasting time, and stop being hypnotized by that junk and move forward and just get out and be something. And the lady's laughing and she goes, that is my dad, and that is I know, that's for my brother. I has to tell him because he is he's not doing anything with his life. And my dad hated that he played video games, so I'm like he was and that's all he said. And then it was like check please he was out Like that was it was like Irish goodbye if I've ever seen. And there was like not a lot of hey, I love you, but now it was like tell them to get off his butt and change.

32:50 And you know, I'm like, she's like, oh my god, I know who that is. And I'm like, good because that's the message. So is that unfinished business. No, that's just them being adeducated that their family line is not being what they could be. Right and oh and he did throw in there this thing is real and I think he was talking about judgment. So like, dude, that's a big statement. Yeah, I don't know. So I don't they know. They don't stick around for that. They stick around, you know, like uh some spirits. Imagine. Imagine you're a farmer. Okay, you work every day of your life on this farm, raising chickens and and uh you know, cattle and all that stuff. Then you go to sleep one night and you don't wake up. Well, that's your farm and those of your family that are still there and they're struggling to run it. And so you're not going to go well, tough luck. I'll see. I'm on the other side. A lot of people go, well, what can I do? What can I do? And this is my farm man. I don't want to see it fall apart. I really worked hard.

34:05 I like this place. I love my family. I feel bad that I am not here to actually physically do so they'll stick around thinking they're trying to help, and there's not a lot they can do. But you ever feel like you don't want to get out of bed? I know you guys, know, both of you know exactly what I'm talking about. I know I know Eric justin. I know you do. But I can tell you Eric, some days getting out of bed. Yeah, I listen, brother, I feel it, man, when you are laying there going I don't feel like it. I'm just not going to. I think I'm gonna call him sick. And all of a sudden, you get this push. It's almost like there's a weird whisper that says, look, just get up, get up.

34:48 I know you don't want to. I know you're not looking forward to it. Get in the shower, brush your tease, do this. And then the next thing you're out and you're going what got me up? What changed my mind? You got folk yelling at you, going, no, sir, I'm not going to let you just lay around and feel bad, get off your ass, get out there. And that's that's why they're here. And that's that's what you're hearing. Are people that have crossed over, pushing you out, making sure that you're the best you you can be. They know that you're looking for fulfillment anyway. Your family knows. They're not omnipotent. They don't know everything about you, but they know enough that they can. You ever see you know, Christmas Carol, the ghost of Christmas Present. They're in your house, you know, they see what you're doing right now. They're going, like mister Nick over here watching, going, I love this, this is great. He loves this stuff. I think it's awesome.

35:47 They will not let you feel depressed. They will not feel let you feel melancholy. They don't want you to. And you'll fight it. I know, Eric does. You don't fight it, going. No, leave me alone. I don't want to get but you do. And when you do, you're like, you're glad you did, you know? And that makes them smile. So that's not necessarily unfinished business. They just feel like they're helping and they will encourage you and push you and uh, it's pretty it's pretty awesome. You, now, there are all there are also there are other spiritual beings that do the opposite, but I don't want to get into that pretty much. That's kind of the weird whole other ballgame, because there are a lot of different beings that we don't even understand. Some of them are just not very cool.

36:35 Yeah, right, Well, now, so with all of the stories that you've heard and you've talked to the spirits about, was there any particular story that was just like emotionally affected you heapily? Oh, well, that's a heavy duty one. There might be one that's not even in my book. There's been quite a few that I feel bad about, and I will tell you there's one. Actually the story doesn't get told the right way, but it is definitely a younger girl that was enslaved here, that was treated really, really bad.

37:17 And I know you hear all the stories and we all think, oh, they're all treated bad. Well they are, they are. I mean, for the most part, you know, there's like ten percent that actually got very lucky, and we're in a good family that cared. But a servent try is abuse, and there's a lot of abuse that happens, and there's some things where girls have given birth after being raped, where the child is dead and they have to watch that, they have to experience that child being taken away and being killed, and it makes them want to commit suicide, but they can't because no one lets them. So they have to live with this, and then they get pregnant again and they're not what they're doing, and then they have to know that child while she's pregnant is going to be murdered because they don't want they don't want that in their family. So there's stories like that, and they're all over, man, it's not just Savannah. They're all over. But when I get a story like that, it's moving. I've even had some very recent stories just from locals that come in that it's just not it's unfair.

38:28 It's just unfair, and so that does I'm a very sensitive person, and I just I try to I have to separate myself when I'm doing reading that. My eyes will get all watery and I'll try not to be. But there's a lot of stories here that are just rough, and I don't think they ever are No one will really ever understand unless you were in that person's shoes, understanding how bad that is, but we can say the story like the girl that just kept watching her children die, knowing that they're in her belly and they're going to die. You know, it's like horrible and horrible, but saying it is one thing. Experiencing it and feeling their feelings, which is another thing that happens when you're doing when you're communicating with them, I'm just starting their feelings about things, so I can pick up on that. And a lot of times it's pretty emotional, and I can get a little thrown up in ruin my day pretty much. But yep, I never imagine. Yeah, there's a lot of that. But I think a lot of really good meeting rooms would tell you the same thing. It's hard, and you got to separate. Do you got to separate? Yeah?

39:42 I mean, I mean I'm very empathic, so a lot of times it's very hard to understand what emotions are my own and what are somebody else's or spirits. Yeah, it's hard, man, it's hard. Yeah. The last guest we had it was about Taro and we were talking about you know, I always keep myself open, and that's not necessarily healthy, but I'm worried about missing something, so I don't want to turn it off, but then my sleep is disrupted because I don't. So yeah, yeah, that'll that'll mess with you right there. Yeah, yeah, being empathic. My wife is so empathic that if someone isn't feeling well, she feels sick, it's just like and they don't even have to tell her. She'll say, wow, my throat is hurting, and someone will go, well, I've got to sore throat. That's weird or you know, it happens all and then they leave, and then she feels better.

40:46 She's like, oh, that wasn't even me. I was feeling one of my kids. Yeah, pretty wild. Now there's always gonna be those skeptics out there. How do you friends respond to skeptics who say that this is like imagine subconscious, you know, it's it's all in your head, compared to those that are true believers. Right. So, for me, my favorite people for readings are newbies and skeptics. I love boff. I build a database of things I can say, well, I'm sitting there with them and I'm really trying to go for the impressive.

41:28 So and I'll tell you why, and let's just be honest. Even Eric and justin, both of you guys, even though Justin I know you're you're tied in. Man, I know you are. You're a skeptic. We're all skeptics. We all were born this way. I think when it comes to the paranormal we kind of have to be to a next time. Well, you should be. You should be. You should read into everything, you should question everything. The Bible says to do this. I mean it's if you don't, then you're missing a lot of really wild stuff. So skeptics are great. We should be. I think that's beautiful close minded. That's a whole of the ball game. And so if you're going to be close minded, first off, a whyle are You're getting a reading with me? You know, so you're gonna test me? Well, that happens a lot. I've even had some people go, there's no way you know that, Like it's impossible for you to know that. You must have googled me and or you must try to look me up. And I'm like, Quinn, you know, just you know my schedule, I'm blocked out from nine to nine.

42:37 I just got done doing my last reading at nine o'clock and we came home and here I am so, I got no time to memory. I can't memories. I mean, and justin you know this, I have a bad memory. There's just no way I forget, you know, my keys, I forget things. I'm old now, and that's even worse. But I love skeptics because what I try to do when I'm doing a reading with him is build the database while we're connecting, Like even with you guys, I'm mister Nick here. I got another thing of information from him earlier, and I'm just in case I need it, in case someone goes, how do you know that's Nick? You just said am well, and you said ned you know, so I'm guessing one syllable name is trying to make it go faster. And you know, he's born born in the first year of the of the of the of the year, which would be January. He's been either born in January or he died in January. It's one of the two, but that's his birth year. And we we were born into the world over here and then we crossed over, which is another birthday, so they could be both.

43:47 But I know I got January out of them, which is the first first year or first month of the year. So so I'm constantly trying to build things. So if someone wants a little more information, I can say, well, their favorite color is this, or whatever information I can get from them, that would be evidential. But really what it comes down to for me and skeptics, I love them. I think they're my favorite people because I like watching a skeptic go damn, all right, that's wild coincidence. I love that. A lot of coincidence. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of coincidences. You know. I think if we have too many coincidences, it's not a coincidence, right, you know, how many does it take to not be odd and coincidental?

44:34 But I like him because they do push me to be sharper and to try and be a lot sharper. It's hard, Like Eric's a little harder to read, you know. It's not that he's closed. He's private. He's very open, but he's very private. So I would know if you and I were to actually sit down and do a reading, I would do better job one on one with you wanting to be read, you know, But I do you know, I got the privacy fences on him, justin you're an open book. You always have Ben since day one. You're just like, here's me, you know, you know, here's my heart. You can hurt me, and people do You're just like out that hurts? Why do I keep doing that? But I do like skeptics. I don't really have a you know, any kind of a rebuttal for them. I just I enjoy them. I like trying to cone me better for them.

45:29 So I would say, bring it on, you know, let's let's have a little skepticism and let's see if I can't get you something that would blow your mind. You know. I did that just yesterday without reading, which was really just I didn't even know. Actually it was even before they even did the reading. They had just come up and I had said five things really quick to this guy before he went to the bathroom, and he went, how do you know that? And I didn't know what he was talking about. After the reading, he said, let me tell you what you said before we even did the eating, because it's this whole new thing, and uh, it's pretty wild because I was like, I didn't I wasn't even trying. I'm just staying stuff.

46:11 My favorite like, yeah, no, skeptic. I love being skeptic, and it's like a lot of my friends right into the paranormal like or even newbies into the paraglem you know, they're they're always mentioning stuff to me and bringing up questions that they're saying, oh, I witness this and that, and then I just keep questioning them, questioning them, questioning them, and they get to a point and they're like, I thought we believed this stuff. It's like, all I do you did to me? Well, you're telling it. But it's good to get all the information. And it's like did you check this? Did you look at this? Where was the camera? Really? You know, and then you know, justin knows back in the day, the ghost Hunters team, they would send me stuff to try and because I was in the After Effects, Oh my battery slow wew uh, they would try and have me bunket. So I would try to recreate it in After Effects and some other programs to see if I could mimic what that looks like.

47:08 And uh, yeah, I think it's healthy, very health healthy to be a skeptic. Yeah. But now, so what would you say to someone who is afraid to believe but wants to believe. Who's afraid to believe but wants to believe. That's weird, that's a very interesting person. They would be afraid. I would need to know why they're fearful, Like, what are they afraid of? Is that they're life changing? I mean I would get that. I think so in my experience or even people that we've talked to, uh, just you know, throughout this whole podcast life of ours, I know we both encounter people who are interested, who who like they want to believe, they're afraid that if they do believe, then they open this door. In that door, could we do something very negative?

48:01 You can need to something, But again it's back to you. I would tell them negative is relative. I mean we have You could walk out the door and get hit by a car, or you could get stabbed by somebody, or ice might show up and throw you into some weird alligator prison. I don't know. Yeah, there's negativity everywhere. The spiritual world is also like that. There, Sure there is that, but is it everywhere? No. Now, the majority of what happens here is not negative at all. And when it is negative, you can kind of feel it and see it and go, oh, I don't want to do that. So, I mean we've had readings where we've had an unwonted spiritual being come through and start writing square words and we go, oh, we got to close the circle and start again, get them out of here, clean it and say we don't want that, we don't want foul language. We on the one good folk. So but you can kick them out, you know.

48:55 Yeah, Now what message or message jizz do spirits motes want living to hear? Like? In general, first thing always I'm okay. That's like almost every time tell them I'm okay, I'm fine because they're worried about them, because they're sad because they're gone. So that's the first thing. And then the second thing I noticed a lot of is it's either I had no idea, but this is real. We're actually over here, We're actually okay, we keep going. You know, it's the excitement you know of this is a real thing. You know people that were atheists that cross that were going, holy crap, here we are. This is cool. It's normally very positive. The you know, the big one, The big one I get a lot of, especially if it's someone younger that crosses, is not to feel guilty, don't feel bad, knows let go of that because I don't care. It's fine, and I don't care about my stuff, and it doesn't matter who has it. I don't care. I don't care about the farm, I don't care about the house. It's okay, do whatever you want. I don't care. I don't I'm not there anymore. It's not mine. You can do whatever you want. A lot of that is the general upfront messages I get over and over and over, and they're out.

50:21 They're almost like to me, it's like, well, yeah, of course you're going to say I'm okay, you know, but that's what they want to say. They're really excited to say that. So I have to be understanding of the spirit that's wanting to relate the message because they're very sincere and excited. And I'm bored because I've done this for so long, so I might come across as very nonchalant by the way. They're okay and my client's crying and the spirit's excited. Tell them I'm really fine, not to cry. I don't want to see you crash. And I'm saying these things and they're like wow, really, and I'm like, yeah, well, you're not acting all. I hear it every day you hear it every day, so I have to remember, I've got to look I gotta I have to act surprised sometimes too, and I would sometimes I'll pretend to go, oh my god, they're fine, you know, and it.

51:11 Makes them feel better. I know that sounds terrible, but you do it every day, and every day it's the same story. So that's the messages. I'm okay, don't feel guilty, and I don't need my stuff. Yeah, you know, we took a break from the paranormal. It's the same stuff. Every week. It is it is, And you go, how do I make this different and exciting? Well, there are exciting elements happen every day, but a lot of it is repeat, you know, and go, yeah, everyone's pretty much the same. Every person is pretty much the same. Even when we crossed. We don't change a lot. I like the guy that came through today. He was really cold and directed, and they were like, well, he was a colonel in the army, and I'm like, oh, well, okay, tell him this, just get off his ass. And I'm like, okay, it's funny. You could feel it, and I like that because I go, well, that's a different message. That's a little.

52:06 That's a little abrasive. Okay, there's no love in that, but there is love. It's tough love. Right. So now you've been open as spiritually since you were a kid, you'd always had these voices, these people talking to you, coming to you spiritually. Right, How has your view on death shaped over your lifespan so far? There's no death? I mean, yeah, you know, even when I was younger, I'm cool with it. You know, it's like I know that this is fine. So but how do you tell everyone else that you know? You can't?

52:49 So everyone's scared when they die. And I've you know, I've kind of been with people as they cross over, and it's amazing what they experience. You know, a lot of times they go, oh my god, he's selling cells here, and I'm like, there we go. You see them, wonderful, I feel them, this is great, we're doing this together. And then three hours later they stop breathing and they're happy. Thanks. Huh. Yeah, well, well. He's switching over, so we'll give him a minute.

53:38 Yah. Well, don't need to give dead air here, I suppose. Sorry, guys, what are what are some of your thoughts so far on this? No? I mean it makes sense, and again it lines up with a lot of what we you know, what we've learned over the years talking to various individuals who are psychonic videos uh, we speak to spirits in general, but it's also a lot of what you've been talking about on your own spiritual journey as well. Just how especially like the way that Brian describes how he receives messages, I think was actually very very well done, because that's something that a lot of people can't do. And I think he kind of hit the nail on the head in his explanation, because at least it made sense to me, you know, and I kind of get it too, like it.

54:26 There's always those things that we do or that we you know, I guess that we do that that just makes sense to us, or things that we understand that just makes sense to us, but when we try to explain it to somebody else, you know, it just doesn't work. There he is, Okay, so my battery died? So nice, right, isn't that just Actually I should have said something even cooler. Yeah, maybe he's not real, Maybe he's as well.

55:09 It's a glitch. You'll be talking to someone else the whole time. He's just now calling it. He forgot it was at eleven or at ten eleven? Okay, so uh yeah, battery died. I should have said something cooler, like, yeah, you know, the spirits were angry with me and they so where were we? I don't I don't remember. Yeah. Oh has the word changed? How you feel about that? Basically? Oh yeah? So no, uh death, I'm okay with it. I know that this actually is better. On the other side, my wife and Eric kind of excited about what happens next. So yeah, I know that sounds weird to tell people, but that is that's real, that's authentic, you know.

55:55 Yeah, I mean, I think it's better in my opinions. But to have something like that to look forward to rather than fear it, you know, like so many people do. Everyone nowadays is like I get this done, got to do this, gotta do that, gotta you know, have all these things aligned before that day happens. And in reality, it's like there's so much more that happens beyond your life here in the physical real. And I'll tell you, you know, if I didn't have so many weird experiences, I might feel a little different. But either I'm either I'm crazy and accurate, or or there's life after death, you know what I mean. You know, it's like that's the option. So it maybe both. Maybe I am crazy, but it's it's funny. You can't really convince other people though, that you know there is an afterlife.

56:54 They they have their beliefs, they have their reasons why they believe what they believe. A lot of people were damaged in church. Church has ruined a lot of people. But you know, I think beyond that, everyone wants to believe. So I do my best to let them know, Hey, you don't have to really sweat anymore about all that crab after this. You know, we don't have to do that anymore. Right, And if you're crazy, all three of us are crazy. Right, I know we're insane. You know. You have a whole radio show dedicated to the insane. Right.

57:37 Eric No. I was just going to say, like the whole idea of like I want to believe. It always makes me think of that poster from the xpiles. I think, to this day, for the last twenty years, I want to believe every single day of my life. That's why we keep doing this too. It's like, even though we do believe you want to know more. No, mhm, you know, And that whole poster sparked something from me a long time ago, because I know that those spiritual beings do exist, people call them aliens or whatever, and I know that they're about to show there. They're about to show off here in about a year or so. So we're gonna that whole poster will mean a lot of stuff to a lot of people. It'll say, I believe it'll change. I believe now you know it.

58:20 We'll be seen it everywhere. Yes, we will. Yeah, we had or I had, Eric had to be gone, but Vincent jenna On, Oh wow, he had the same exact description of what you're saying of what these aliens are. They they are. Extraterrestrial in a sense, but have turned themselves into light beings that are coming back to show us. And really really they're here right now, right that's the way we're seeing it as a comeback. They're not traveling through space. They're here. They're just they're going to show off here shortly, and we're gonna go, wow, that's wild.

59:04 Yeah, Well it is about that time to let you go. So I want to give you a chance to tell everybody where they can find you and find your work. Well, I tell everyone to find us on social media Savannah Psychics. That's the easiest way to find this. TikTok, Instagram, sub stack, Facebook, always Facebook, you know, and people say it's for old folk. I don't know. We got a lot of young folks still on Facebook, so I don't know. But you know, TikTok's I think the go to. I would say, hit us there, come to Savannah. We're three eleven West Broughton Street on the third floor. We're above Kindri Scott. It's kind of a really unique shop. Jen makes a lot of wild folk magic type products, herbal remedies, a lot of other stuff, blue lotus oil. We sell herbs, tons of herbs, the really cool stuff that you can't find anywhere. As well as we do our readings Samanna Psychics.

1:00:12 That's where if you want to book a reading with me, I do zoom reading, So Savannah Psychics dot com you can book your reading with me. If you see me on this show, tell me or put it in the notes, because I'd love to know you know where where you heard and my book in their own words. We're going to have that in the shop. I think that might be the only place we sell it to start with. We'll probably have a link online that you can purchase it as well. I will autograph a copy if you buy it. You got to let me know ahead of time that you want me to do that, or I will forget. But yeah, come to Savannah, come to see me in person, and yeah, that's that's how we're doing that.

1:00:52 I think I think I gave you all the information Savannah Psychics everywhere, Samana Psychics, dot Com, Samana Psychics, TikTok, Instagram, the whole thing, all right, and a Mystic Apothecary. That's the apothecary side, so that would be dot com and all the all the social media as well. So all right, Brian, thank you so much for coming back on Paratruth to be Born. I'm sure we'll probably have you on throughout the show, but I'm gonna put you in limbo real quick and we'll close out the show and we'll get back with you perfect all right, folks. That is Brian Buyer's make sure you check out his book in their own words, Spirits of Savannah until next week, folks, where you will find us same time same channel. My name is Justin.

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