Feb. 25, 2026

Become an Exceptional Tarot Reader: Skill, Intuition, & Ethical Practice w/Ethony Dawn

Tarot isn’t just about pulling cards—it’s about responsibility, intuition, and deep self-awareness. This week on ParaTruth: Reborn, we’re joined by Ethony Dawn, tarot educator, mentor, and author of Become an Exceptional Tarot Reader. Together, we...

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TarotTarot Reading

Tarot isn’t just about pulling cards—it’s about responsibility, intuition, and deep self-awareness.

This week on ParaTruth: Reborn, we’re joined by Ethony Dawn, tarot educator, mentor, and author of Become an Exceptional Tarot Reader. Together, we explore what separates casual readers from truly exceptional ones—mastery of skill, ethical responsibility, intuition development, and the emotional intelligence required to read for others.

Whether you’re new to tarot or a seasoned practitioner, this live conversation challenges how you approach the cards—and the people sitting across from you.

Guest Bio: Ethony Dawn is a globally respected Tarot reader, spiritual teacher, and author with over 25 years of experience reading for clients worldwide. She blends Tarot, psychic insights, and mediumship to help people find clarity, connection, and direction in their lives.
Ethony is the author of Your Tarot Court (Llewellyn, 2019), Tarot Grimoire (2024), and Become an Exceptional Tarot Reader (2025). She is also the creator of six Tarot decks and seven Oracle decks, including the beloved Awakened Soul Oracle and Money Magic Manifestation Cards.

As founder of the Tarot Readers Academy, she has taught more than 20,000 students to read Tarot with confidence and intuition. Based in Vancouver, BC, Ethony is a lifelong Spirit connector, passionate creator, and sacred mischief-maker who believes life becomes magical when we live with purpose and intuition.

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Thanks for listening!

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Parrot is often treated like guesswork or a party trick,

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But what if it's actually a discipline The demand's skill, intuition,

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and responsibility. Tonight we're digging into what truly makes a

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tarot reader exceptional and why ethics matter just as much

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as intuition. Welcome, well, well do Paratrue?

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What's up everybody? And welcome to Paratrue Reborn. My name

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is Eric and I'm justin and tonight we are talking

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to Ethony Dawn about her book Become I'm an Exceptional

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Tarot Reader. Ethany is an internationally respected tarot educator, author,

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and deck creator with over twenty five years of experience.

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She's the founder of the Tarot Readers Academy and author

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of Become an Exceptional Tarroo Reader, where she teaches readers

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how to develop skill, intuition, and ethical responsibility. Ethny is

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also the creator of several popular tarot and oracle decks

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and is known for elevating taro as a thoughtful professional practice. Now,

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we are currently still awaiting her arrival, so we're hoping

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she will be showing up soon here and if not,

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you know, on with the show. But nonetheless, so taro

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is something that Justin and I. Justin and I have

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touched on here and there. I think throughout the course

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of this reradition of the show, we've had a few

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people on to talk about Taro, and of course we've

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commented on it muthtful times. We talk about psychonic mediumship

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and intuition and things like that and how you can

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kind of better, in my case, better learn about yourself

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through Taro. Taro is one of those things, a type

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of if you will divination that can be used in

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multiple ways. Some claim that it can help predict the future,

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Others say that it's more so a guide to help

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you make life choices, and still others say that it's

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really a means to help interpret and better understand your

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inner self. So Justin run off the bat, like, what

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is your familiarity with Taro?

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Well, I mean, I've been doing Taro since I was

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a teen. I have never had the capacity to actually

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learn all the definitions. But over time, and you know this,

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We've talked to numerous people where they say, like a

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lot of times you can just tell what the reading

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is is saying just by the imagery on the cards.

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Don't worry about the definition. The definition is not always

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one hundred percent accurate anyways, and something that you and

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I have discussed over time, and even within the last

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week or so, you had done a reading and so

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I'd asked you, you know, what does that mean to you?

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So a lot of times that is where I'm going, now, hey, Heidi,

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where I'm I'm not even paying attention to the definition.

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I try and interpret the cards myself over I mean,

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if I need to, I'll take a glance just to

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make sure I'm in the ballpark somewhere.

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But yeah, for sure, I think it's like I mean,

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it's obviously difficult for the beginners getting in. You look,

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some of these cards are so intricate in how they're built,

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especially when you look at the major ar Kada. I

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have multiple decks that have been gifted to me over

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the last five years or so, and each one is

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vastly different and could give you different meanings based on

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what's pretty much drawn on it, because each card is

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basically built with the interpretation in mind, and they're not

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all created equally, you know. So if I were to

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pick up the oh, I don't know, let's say, like

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the Hangman. Hangman is pretty straightforward I think for the

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most part, but there are sometimes other elements thrown into

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the artwork as well with each individual card, and sometimes

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those elements are different from one card to the next,

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or one deck to the next, and so interpretation is

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certainly be off. But I think it's important to always

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kind of recognize some of these pictures and just think about,

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like how they feel to you, what do they represent

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to you? You know, forget which one is one of

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the ones that I sent you is weak, I let

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us go to our text messages. It was the hermit

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and ther maid Hermit, so you know, the hermit in

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this case. One deck that I really like is a

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deck that was created by the Gulish carb and I

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just love the artistry on it, and I just love

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the art in general, which is why I actually look

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at a lot of these tarot cards, but I end

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up drawing the hermit. And one thing right off the

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bat is like, in this case, the hermit is kind

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of like a cloaked figure with a with a lantern

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in one hand, a staff and another on a boat

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on a river. Stars in the background, and there's roughly

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five hands or arms reaching up out of the water,

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and so you kind of have to figure out, you know,

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how do you interpret that? And you know, for me,

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there were all kinds of different I guess ideas that

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came to mind, right, some of that For me, it

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was like for the hands, I'll give a primary example

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here for the hands, I like that, and I thought, oh,

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these are things that are holding me back. These are

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that are constantly reaching out or try to pull me

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off of my path, the path that I should be on,

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you know, the spiritual path, the higher path, et cetera.

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But then when you look into the book and the

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definition the guide that comes with it, that is not

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the representation at all. But that doesn't mean that my

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representation was wrong or my interpretation was wrong. It's just

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that in this moment, that interpretation was the one that

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I felt most connected with, because I do feel like

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there are things that are kind of trying to pull

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me back, you know, things that are trying to keep

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me off the spiritual road and taken that next step

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into a higher spirit, higher self. And I think like

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it's got to be something that I'm sure you deal

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with on the regular. I know when I gave you

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yes to what I thought about these that I gave

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you my interpretation, you felt they were pretty spot on,

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but you could have easily just say I feel completely opposite.

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I feel like, is this this and this.

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Well, I mean what I was first getting was that

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you know, you're you're you, You're already this way, that

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you're a very solitude type person, lone wolf type of person,

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and that, but you are also a guide much as

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I am essentially what we're doing here on the show,

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and that with the sun, you are the guiding light

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that are is going to help people. So your interpretation

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kind of matched mine, uh, just worded a little bit differently.

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So that's why I was like, I think that's I'm

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getting kind of the same thing. So yeah, but that's

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that's the thing with Taro, and we kind of talked

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about this. I believe last week that the problem with

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Taro and I'm not saying this to be derogatory tour

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because I do use it as a tool, but it

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is the interpretation of the person that's reading them.

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Granted, you know a lot of people say that you're

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being guided by spirit and you know, stuff like that,

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but again, we don't know for sure are.

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We being guided by spirit?

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Is it just circumstance that you find these cards.

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Well, and that's another thing I think all together, because

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you know, I mean, I personally don't think that the

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cards themselves are indued by any sort of spiritual power, right,

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or energy because a lot of these cards are mass

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produced and something that's creating dozens of different types of

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books or cards or what have you. Like, It's not

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like an individual person is creating these and then putting

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energy into them and it's sending them out. That's typically

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not how that works, especially the mass produced ones. But

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on the flip side, it also is dependent on how

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you how you most people say, energize the card. When

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people say, you want to energize them by shuffling them,

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or you want to, you know, kind of hold the

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cards in one hand, put your other hand over top,

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and kind of put energy into them, whatever energy you're feeling,

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and try to energize them and get them to respond

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to you.

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Well, that's the other thing though, too. I've heard people say,

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and this was years ago, things have kind of changed

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a little bit here and there. But when I first

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started reading Tarot, the way that the book taught you

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to do it was to have the person you're reading

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for put their energy into the deck. But the problem

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is then you're mixing your energy and their energy because

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you are holding the deck, so it is getting your

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energy as well.

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Yeah. Well, and again of course it all so it's

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depending on whether or not you're actually reading for somebody

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else or yourself. I don't read for if I read,

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and you know, in the past, when I have read,

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it's always been for myself, but I've also used it

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not I've also used it more as like a guide

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or like a view into inner workings, you know, because

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it's kind of been a way a type of therapy,

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I guess, you know. It helps me kind of like

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look at the pictures, think about my life currently and

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helps me break down the things that maybe I've been ignoring.

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And it goes back to the hermit, you know again,

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thinking about those hands, the things that are dragging you

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down or trying to hold you back. That is something

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I've been dealing with over the last couple of months now,

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but nothing that I've really taken the time to focus

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any energy out. I've never bothered to waste my time

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thinking about it because it hasn't been on the forefront

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of my mind. But seeing that card and seeing these hands,

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it kind of like took that and through it at

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the forefront and suddenly I was like, oh, like epiphany, right,

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even though it was there in front of my eyes

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entire time. But yeah, you know, I guess it really

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just depends, you know, And I have the type like

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if I were to shove, but I usually would shuffle

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until something falls out or until I come across the

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card that just feels like I just it just feels right,

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you know. It's like maybe it sticks out slightly, maybe

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you touch it and it's like that's the one. I

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think that, Yeah, yeah, you know. And I know in

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this case, like if when I sent you the one

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I sent, I drew two cards, that's very rare. I

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usually to stroll one card and base you know, everything

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off of that, and if I need further interpretation, we

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try a couple more. But in this case, I had

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two cards pop up at the same time, and I

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didn't feel right choosing one over the other. So I

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was like, that means both that we had it the

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Hermit and the Sun, and that happens as well. And

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I think it's important to acknowledge that because sometimes you

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you know, choose one over the other, but that other

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might be significant, you know, especially in relation to the.

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First one pulled right well. And I've seen this on

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people doing like generalized readings on like TikTok or even

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on YouTube, and they'll have a card fallout or a

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couple of cards fall out even and they, yeah, they

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don't discriminate. They pick up all the cards that have

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fallen out and add it to the reading. They keep

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shuffling to see if there's anything that feels So it's

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kind of like a mixture of what you're saying, where

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they have stuff fall out, but they're drawing multiple cards,

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not just a single card. But and you know, I've

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not done a Tarot reading for myself or anybody else

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for a very long time. I really do want to

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do it just because of the message I got from

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doing my meditation cleansing the other day that I shared

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with you, and maybe do a cleansing and then do

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the Tarot reading or something like that, just so that

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I'm grounded, because again, you know, it's one of those

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things where it's it is a tool, and not only

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should you be cleansing the deck, but you should be

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cleansing yourself to before you do a reading right well, now.

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So tu is often dismissed as I guesswork or superstition.

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Why do you think that is, because that's something that's

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the kind of I feel like I spent there's been

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happening Stulls. Okay, a lot of people are like, oh,

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that's just it's fake, it's not real, it's you know,

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they're just cards nothing more.

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it is it's up to interpretation. So people see that

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as kind of a woo wu answer or a well,

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then you can be interpreting it any way you want,

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not necessarily what exactly the card means or what the

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entire reading means as a whole. And I mean, it's

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good to be skeptical about it. It's good to be

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skeptical about going to a psychic medium, whether they're spot

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on or not. Be skeptical because you are trying to

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get a message whatever that is. So and we've talked

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about this just doing paranormal investigation though, to be skeptical

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because it is one of those things that it's we

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don't know for sure.

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and this is a very rare instance, but there are

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people out there who who don't have the answers, who'll

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read these cards and they just use a type of

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manipulation to help trick you into thinking they know something

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about your life and make you believe it too, and

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then you're sent on a path that maybe you weren't

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meant to be walking down, you know. It kind of

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shifts gears when maybe you should have stayed on that

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first path to begin with. And of course that's if

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you're looking forward or a path change or uh like,

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I guess kind of guidance on the path that you're

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currently on, you know, because I think sometimes people are like, oh, well,

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where I'm going, it's just really difficult, it's not working out.

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It's not working out. It's working out, and they think, oh, well,

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but the obvious choices, I'm on the wrong path. And

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that's not the case in many cases. If you're struggling,

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it's because you're on the right one. But there's a

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lot of hurdles. I think if you're on the right one,

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there's a lot of things happening in the background that

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want to keep you from that, especially on a spiritual plane,

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you know, And that's something you need to be aware of.

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Not every bad thing is telling you like, this is wrong,

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this is the right choice, instead of saying, oh, no,

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this path is going to take you exactly where we

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don't want you to go. It's going to make you bigger,

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it's going to make you brighter, it's going to make

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you happier. But no, we don't want that. We want

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we want to turn you this way instead for whatever reason. Right,

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And I'm not even talking you know, normally I'll be

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like it's the demons and this and that, but it's

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like it's just generally there's people sometimes, you know, can

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hear about individuals who who spikee us and they they

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kind of create a bad uh juju toward us. Uh

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maybe not even on purpose. Maybe they don't do it

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specifically to us, but there are certain thoughts or certain

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energies that they put out that do try to shape

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or remove us from certain paths. I don't think I

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can see for any likes Box, there's a shadow behind you,

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But if only it was a shadow. It is a shadow.

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It's a void. It's darker than a shadow. I am

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talking about you. He's like looking at me, like, excuse

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you but yeah, there's.

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Charlatan's through and through. I mean that that goes for

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any walk of life. But even so, even a lot

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of mediums or what they call themselves is psychic mediums

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or not, they're just doing a what most people call

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it cold reading or reading the room if you will.

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for those of you listening, you probably have been. If

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you're roughly our age maybe a little older, you probably

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kind of experienced this. But growing up, you and I

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we kind of grew up in an era where Taro

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Luigi all these things are very bad. They were dangerous,

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they are scary, you know, nothing but evil comes from it.

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And of course a lot of this comes from our upbringing.

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It comes from the media that we were consuming at

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the time, the movies, the television shows, things like that.

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But there's been a change in the world as of

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relatively recent Why do you think that is?

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What is it the younger generations that are coming in

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and saying, you know what, I want to kind of

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take my life into my own hands a bit and

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kind of step away from you know what, you know,

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my parents telling me to do or what other you know,

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the paintings people are telling me to do or what

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you know, I don't want to rely on God for

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something like what do you think happened? Or do you

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think it's just like people aren't as scared anymore. It's

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just like, oh, it's all silly and so let's have

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fun with this.

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Well, I mean during our childhood is when the Satanic

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panic happened. As time has gone on, religion has kind

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of changed as well, not in the sense of, you know,

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the teachings, but what message they're they're bringing out, depending

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on the church you go to, has changed quite significantly.

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On top of that, it has been uh, you know,

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within the information age coming to fruition in our lifetime.

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There's a lot of information. Not all of us is great,

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I'll say that right off the bat, but the information

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is readily available where before you'd have to go to

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a library check out a book, you know. So the

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information age is opening people's minds and hearts to different

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types of phenomenon, whether that's paranormal even like nature. The

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different phenomenons that we see in nature that a lot

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of people used to attribute to paranormal are people are

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starting to realize, okay, well you know, our world has

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a lot more stuff going on than we realize, and

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sadly we have kind of gotten away from enjoying nature

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as much as we have. Right, but it looks like.

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We have our guest here, Ethny.

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Welcome to Paratruth.

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Hello, Hi, bye, Sorry I am I'm like cutting a

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ride at seven thirty. I was just getting the dogs

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and the kid and everything situated before I got around.

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Not a problem. So how's it going.

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It's going good. It's going good. We've been very busy

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and it's been but we had a lovely day here

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in Vancouver. We actually got some sun shot it horror.

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Usually it just pisces down with rain. So you know.

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So first question we've got for you is what got

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you interested in doing taro?

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Great questions, Fir's all. I just look say you, thank

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you for having me, and I super appreciate it. Yeah,

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So what got me into taro? So I I bought

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my first Tara deck when I was fifteen, and I

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purchased it as a part of my year in a

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Day study. For I was introduced to like reconstructed Wicka

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in the late nineties and as a part of my

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Year in a Day sort of journal. I had to

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also have a divination portion, you know, to show self

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reflection and to help with my intuition being growing, and

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so I chose to Taro. And ever since then it

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has been been a love story. I guess I have.

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I have a lot of backins.

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Well so to just when we're actually just chatting a

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little bit about it, but when Taro or Taro is

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often dismissed as either like guest worker superstition in many cases.

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But what do people most misunderstand about Taro.

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It's a tool, And just like a tool, it really

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is at the intention and the skill level and the

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I guess the heart of the user. You know, you

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can pick up a hammer and use it. You mean,

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you could really just mount a hammer on your wall

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and decide art, you know, like so you can use

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that tool in any way shape that you want. It

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can be seen as just seventy eight pieces of art.

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It can be seen as a divination system, or it

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can be a companion to look at self reflection. But

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it really depends on the user behind it. So it

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is really such a broad tool. And every time we

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look at the tarot or a new generation finds it

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and a new generation adapts the tarot to something else.

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We are ayeing to this rich tapestry where it has

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evolved from you know, a playing card game to this incredible,

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multifaceted tool that we get to use hundreds and hundreds

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of years later. So yeah, I think that's one of

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the biggest misconceptions is that it's really what you make it.

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Okay, Now, the book is called become an exceptional Tarot reader.

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When you say exceptional tarot reader, what separates that from

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someone who is you know, just knows card meetings.

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Yeah, really, really great question. So an exceptional tarero reader

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is someone who can take the what can be seen

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as something that is still a little bit mysterious and

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might even have some titles or some imagery that makes

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absolutely no sense in the modern world, like we don't

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have in many places kings, Queen's pages and nights unless

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in your books and on TV, and make these archetypes

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and these enduring symbols and this enduring symbolic language makes

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sense for today. An exceptional taro reader is not just

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someone who knows the core of the meanings of the cards,

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and that will also depend on this system that the

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person is choosing. You know, that could be because there

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are definitely different ways looking at things depending on whether

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you're a Marseille, a foth or talk depending on how

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you pronounce it, or a right away smith person is

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going to kind of color a little bit of how

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you interact with those meaning. But an exceptional tarer reader

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is able to build on top of that, is able

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to make it something where it is empowering and impactful

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for someone right now, in twenty in twenty six and beyond.

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You know, so there's no I've never been the type

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of reader, even though I learned the tarot as a

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divination tool and came to it with my teachers that

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I got after I read every book that I get

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my hand on from a divination practice. I've always wanted

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to empower everyone I've ever had a session with, or

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anyone that I've ever introduced to the tarot and how

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it can be a partner in helping you co create

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the life that you want, even if that's just learning

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to know yourself better and why you're making certain decisions

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or identifying patterns and things like that, all the way

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to possibly looking at the potentials of what may happen

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should you choose to do something or should you choose

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not to?

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Okay, we well, so when it comes to social media,

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especially because we see a lot of Tarot card readers

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on social media tech talks, big han it. Do you

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think that Taro has kind of been harmed in some

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way by maybe seeming over simplified on social media or yeah?

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Go ahead, yeah really good? Yeah, I don't think so.

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I think it adds a level of curiosity for people.

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I like, in this look, I'm about to age myself. Everyone,

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hold on to your horses. Imagine age with cel here.

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But do you remember I don't know if you all

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remember this. I don't know how much experience you guys

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have had with like Taro and the world of like

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Tara and oracle decks and all that kind of stuff.

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But there was a time back in the day when

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miss doing Virtue was like what many people would say,

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is like the gateway to a lot of people finding cardimancy,

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and a lot of people had very strong opinions. They

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still do. I don't necessarily want to get into her

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because I think she's an absolute dumpster fire, but a

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lot of people were like really but hurt about the

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fact that she had these like angel things and unicorns

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or fluffy and blah blah blah. But I used to

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say to people yes and right like yes, and it's

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not for you. We're not always everyone's target audience. But

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if this person allows someone in a society or in

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a little city that's not necessarily very witchy or whatever

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friendly to go and find this tool and allows them

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to start asking questions about knowing themselves better or learning

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about themselves and listening to their their inner voice, or

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listening to divine guidance, or however you want to, however

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you want to say, whatever, how they're working with it,

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they may lead on to it might lead on to

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something completely different, This might change their entire worldview because

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at some point those entry points, no matter if it's

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a video game or learning a language or learning how

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to cook, once you get beyond the basics, if it's

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something you're genuinely interested in, you're going to for better, bigger,

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more in depth things. Right, we always most people will

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look beyond, you know, just the basics. So TikTok and

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and social media readers who might seem to water it

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down or I mean, I'm I don't really spend a

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lot of time on TikTok for a lot of reasons.

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But you know, forget someone to like get into it

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and be like, oh how they get there, then that's great.

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But there's always going to be an audience for people

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who want to find someone, whether it's a taro reader,

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parmestry person, astrologer, whatever, they just want to be told,

461
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:39.640
like they want to hear specific things, and they're just

462
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.799
going to look for everyone until they're you know, they're

463
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.920
told that. There's always going to be those people out there,

464
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.160
and there's always going to be people who are going

465
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.359
to take advantage of people in crisis or are really

466
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.000
looking for help. But if it can even like bring

467
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.559
it to a bigger audience, then I mean, I think

468
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.200
that's great because we all are exposed to different things

469
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:05.720
like taro in different ways, and so yeah, I guess

470
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.720
I only just say to people who come across these

471
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.440
readers on TikTok or whatever, any reader or anyone on

472
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.880
social media is do some freaking research, right especially now

473
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.400
when these people may not even be freaking real, like

474
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.079
it's crazy, Like, do some research to see if this

475
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.160
person is actually a living, breathing person or if it's

476
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.839
just some bot or ai junk and then look at

477
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.599
their digital footprint, because that's when you're really going to

478
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.359
be able to see whether this person knows what the

479
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.039
fuck they're talking about, or whether this person just tears

480
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.279
about their views and all power to all you give

481
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.839
stuff about is your views. But like on on social media,

482
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.000
but I mean, a little discernment goes a long, bloody way.

483
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.599
It's just it seems like not a lot of people.

484
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.920
There seems to be sometimes a little bit of lacking

485
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.839
of the common sense. But if it does bring taro

486
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.599
to the forefront, I think that's great.

487
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:01.279
It's like given public is still publicity, and it gets

488
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.440
people to an extent.

489
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.559
Interesting, it starts a conversation.

490
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:13.279
No, there's a lot of talk about ethics and responsibility

491
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.240
when it comes to the paranoral in general, but when

492
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.880
it comes to mediums and psychics and even terial readers.

493
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.880
Why are ethics so critical in terror, especially when reading

494
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:23.519
for others.

495
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.240
Because the power of suggestion, especially the power of suggestion

496
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.200
when someone is at a crossroads, or they've suffered a loss,

497
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:38.759
or their entire worldview is completely been upended, is cannot

498
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:46.680
be understated. I am obsessed with I love psychology. I've

499
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.160
done a lot of reading and research on the psychology

500
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.960
of how people get into cults, especially, and how people

501
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.119
get influenced, or people who seem to be very very

502
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.880
intelligent seem to get scammed and things like that, as

503
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.880
well as like reading about relationships and bettering my communication

504
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.839
skills and everything else. But I find it fascinating because

505
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.119
creditors and there are predators out there in every field,

506
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:18.359
in everything everyone does, there are going to be crappy

507
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.680
car salesmen, bad plumbers, you know, all that kind of stuff.

508
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.799
It doesn't matter. These just shitty people on the planet, unfortunately,

509
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.000
but they wait for that intersection of opportunity and crisis,

510
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.839
and then that's when there can be some really unfortunate

511
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.680
exchanges happening. And that's like on the most extreme where

512
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.400
you see people get scammed for a lot of money.

513
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.799
But ethics is so important because I have I've been

514
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.440
very fortunate over it for thousands of people over the years,

515
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.160
and I have heard everything. Guys like I have heard everything,

516
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.640
and I'm really glad and I'm really happy that My

517
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.039
professional background before I started reading the Cards was in

518
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.480
HR was in human resources operations and recruitment for very

519
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.119
very intense industries like the oil and gas and mining industry,

520
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.160
because that really helped gain a lot of really good,

521
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.759
bloody training on how to have very very difficult conversations mediations,

522
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.200
how to be professional and ethical about what you're talking about,

523
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.839
and learning the power of your words and the power

524
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.720
of suggestion. But not everyone is going to have that.

525
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.119
There is no board of certification when it comes to readers,

526
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.200
So having somewhere where people can get to know who

527
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.519
you are and what you stand for is really really important.

528
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.640
But if someone comes to you when, for example, they've

529
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.640
just found out that the father that has passed away

530
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:54.759
had an illegitimate family with someone else. Right, this happens.

531
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.079
We've all watched TV, we all probably might even know

532
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.759
someone where that has happened to them. And they go

533
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.839
to someone who's had no hasn't really done any development,

534
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.960
because they can anyone can slap up a website and

535
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:13.000
say there are seventh generation reincarnation of cleopatritwer reader, you know,

536
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.599
and then they say to them, well, this is all

537
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.680
your fault, and they completely bypass all that stuff for

538
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:24.880
or they they somehow turn this into a more traumatic

539
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.119
experience for that person that can take so much more

540
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.920
like therapy but just so damaging, right. Or you see

541
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.039
this a lot with the say, for example, of the

542
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:39.759
three of swords, a lot of people will say, well,

543
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.039
that's the carda someone who's cheating, and it's like, okay,

544
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.480
well that can be someone who is being unfaithful. But

545
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.839
a lot of things have to be lining up, and

546
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:54.559
you have to be bloody sure that you are, you know,

547
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.480
delivering that message to someone who is a in a

548
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.400
space who can hear it, because a lot of people

549
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.559
may not be and be just be aware of what

550
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.440
you could be potentially blowing up if you are wrong, right,

551
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.559
And also we don't know the person our client. Oftentimes

552
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.360
you can get an idea, but we don't know the

553
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.480
inner workings and how that person is going to be

554
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:25.320
to deal with stressful information or information that could be

555
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:31.400
really upsetting, you know. So being ethical is really really important,

556
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.239
and just even being like completely aware of just going

557
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.280
like there's a time and a place for everything. I've

558
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:41.280
seen everything from death, like actual physical death of someone

559
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.360
happens very rarely, by the way, to people who've been

560
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.719
cheated on. Two people who've had their you know, their

561
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:52.840
business partners and pezel money to loss of pregnancies that

562
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.000
people haven't spoken about. I think of everything, but those

563
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:02.360
are never taken. I mean, I take this so seriously,

564
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.679
and again thankfully my training has been and all of

565
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:11.639
the continuous professional development I've done over the years of

566
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.960
the decades of doing this have helped me form the

567
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.400
ability to hold space for people in that and then go, Okay,

568
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.000
well this is probably something where offline, outside of the reading,

569
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.880
I can refer you to a very good lawyer or

570
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.199
a good financial advisor, or a really good therapist or

571
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.280
you know, and take action on that behalf too. So yeah,

572
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.239
we can deal with them really intense stuff and then

573
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.880
sometimes we can just deal with really fun things. So

574
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.719
humans are a full spectrum experience, and that's what's going

575
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.599
to happen when you read the cards for other people.

576
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.440
Well, now, so I mean with ethics out there, like

577
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:51.760
when it comes to being a terror reader, like what

578
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.079
are sort of boundaries that maybe terror readers should have

579
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:58.159
but some times of maybe they don't even bother taking

580
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:58.679
the batteries.

581
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.679
Boundarys are going to be something that every Taro reader

582
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.719
has to think about themselves. When I'm teaching Taro from

583
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.519
my Tarrits Academy, and I.

584
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:10.920
Do have.

585
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.079
Classes and courses where I teach teach people how to

586
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.760
read for other people. And ethics is a big is

587
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:20.519
a big part of it. And I actually ask all

588
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.719
of my students to write their own code of ethics,

589
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.679
and I give them some examples and I give them

590
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.920
some hypothetical like questions that people might come to them,

591
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:32.920
and I say, well, how would you go about this?

592
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.280
There's someone that in front of you and said this,

593
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.119
but knowing your limit, Like, I know, I'm not a doctor.

594
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.480
I'm not a medical professional. I'm not gonna be like,

595
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.239
I'm not gonna have someone showing me some weird spot

596
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.280
on their on their on their hand and be like,

597
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.480
I'm gonna throw some cards and tell you that the

598
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.639
melanoma like that is so out of my own a

599
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.679
that's just flat out wrong. But it be go to

600
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.400
a doctor. Everyone with the bloody cards, just go make

601
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.840
a doctor's appointment. I'm not a financial planner. I'm not

602
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.239
an accountant. Good Lord help anyone who thinks so I'm

603
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.880
an accountant. I am good with my own money, but

604
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.199
I mean, like tax time comes, and that's why I've

605
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.159
got a bookkeeper and an accountant, you know what I mean, Like,

606
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.599
forget that noise. I am not a lawyer. Law is

607
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:25.079
so unbelievably nuanced because every state, every province, every country

608
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.199
has got different laws, by laws and all sorts of

609
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:34.159
business laws, insurance laws, like, I'm not that. So getting

610
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.760
a bit of being a bit aware and being humble

611
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.000
as well as knowing like, look, mate, this is not

612
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.119
my wheelhouse, and I can help you with like what

613
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.920
you can get prepared for and how you can react

614
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.400
in this situation, or what you may need to know.

615
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.800
But it gets to the point of going like, you know,

616
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.199
if you're asking me what is the likelihood of you

617
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.320
winning in court? Sure I can look at that, but

618
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.679
don't ask me how you're going to win in court.

619
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.079
Out of bloody no, I'm not your lawyer. So sometimes

620
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:07.480
it comes to getting really clear on the question coming in,

621
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.199
and that is a huge part about being an exceptional

622
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.480
reader is helping your queerance or your client get very

623
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.039
clear on the reason why they've come and sat with you.

624
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.400
Because some people will come in and they will know

625
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.800
and they know exactly what they want to know and

626
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.519
they've done this before, or they're you know, a little

627
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.360
self aware, and other people will just be like, my

628
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.840
life is this shit show? Help me? And being able

629
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.039
to help that person through getting some clarity as to

630
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.840
really what's at the core of that also makes you

631
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.960
a really exceptional entire reader and then knowing where your

632
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.119
boundaries are. Because if someone wants me to tell them

633
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:47.239
how they're going to win a court, you know, a

634
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.800
court proceeding, I am fund them and given their money

635
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.400
back if that's what they want from me. But if

636
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.519
they want to know whether they the likelihood of them

637
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.920
being successful in court or the likelihood of them getting

638
00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.880
into the university they want to get into, I can

639
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.119
definitely build something out from there, but it's really understanding,

640
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.039
I where are you professionally qualified to put your two

641
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.719
cents in and be how are you going to be

642
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.199
able to look at yourself in the mirror? You know,

643
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.639
can you look at yourself in the mirror? And then

644
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.360
really knowing that for yourself, so that if those lines

645
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.039
do if someone does come up to that line, you've

646
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.079
got something to respond, not in the heat of the moment,

647
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.280
but to say, hey, look, I'm not a financial advisor.

648
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.719
I don't know if I can tell you to buy

649
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.920
this stock. Because that's not my profession, and your money

650
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.119
would be better off talking to somebody else, and I

651
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:41.039
can issue you a refund. So yeah, hopefully I answered

652
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:41.480
the question.

653
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:43.000
It does.

654
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.039
So something that a lot of people, I think think

655
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.239
of when they think of Tarot is going to somebody

656
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.719
to get a reading. But a lot of people do

657
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.800
do a terror reading for themselves. How can Terrell be

658
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.039
used as a tool for self reflection rather than prediction?

659
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.960
I do this all the time. I read for myself.

660
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.880
I have journals full of Taro spreads that I do

661
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.519
for myself, and often I will use a Taro deck

662
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.800
that is not something I know well. So I've got

663
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.199
a lot of right Away Smith clone decks or right

664
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:25.119
Away Smith based decks that I know very very well

665
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.719
that I work with my clients all the time. But

666
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.360
I have some Boro decks that are a little different,

667
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.159
that are a little maybe the majors will called something

668
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.960
different or they have a different theme where it's completely

669
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:45.119
out of the blue. Changes in some of them I've

670
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.079
got where this is not my favorite, but the order

671
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:49.960
is changed in some stuff that really that doesn't My

672
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.840
verger rising is really struggles with that one. But I

673
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.000
will usually find a deck that might be a little

674
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.280
bit different because it will force me to remove myself

675
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:04.920
from my bias, and I'll also look at the way

676
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.360
in which I'm questioning the taro, the way in which

677
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.960
I'm forming the question, and the way in which I'm

678
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.760
creating my two spray when I'm reading for myself, because

679
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:22.039
I also will likely not likely get into a divination pace,

680
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.960
like I won't necessarily be looking at what is the

681
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.960
most likely outcome for this. If it's for myself, it'll

682
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.960
be more of a self reflective practice and it helps

683
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.920
me get out of my head a little bit. And

684
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.000
then sometimes I will also do that and read with

685
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.920
the best friend and so you know, she'll be sitting

686
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:42.880
with me and be like, oh, I see this a

687
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.039
little bit differently, and then like, okay, oh that's really

688
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.719
interesting because I can see it through my lens, but

689
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.679
having somebody else who knows me enough to kind of

690
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.840
be like, oh, well, remember when that happens. You know,

691
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.760
maybe this is really referring to this or you know,

692
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.320
you might not think that you've said this or think

693
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.599
that you look at things this way, but actually, boo,

694
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.639
you do, because you know the other day you said

695
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.159
this to me, it's like, oh shit, yeah, you know,

696
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.960
I totally do. Sometimes, so I will work with a

697
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.480
deck that I'm not one hundred percent familiar with, especially

698
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.559
one that I want to get to learn, or that

699
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.519
might be have the same structure as the right away

700
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.679
but have very different imagery. So like the True Black

701
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:26.880
Tarot is an example where that's very very different from

702
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:32.559
many years I worked with the Medicine Woman Tarot from

703
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.280
US Game Systems, because that was very different and was

704
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.360
very out of the box to me and had it

705
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:45.159
was much more spiritual, much more really looking at the

706
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.440
impact of your inner world versus the outer world. And

707
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:54.840
then I won't necessarily be looking at those divination things.

708
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:56.960
And then I also know that sometimes I've got to

709
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.519
go and book myself in to go get a reading

710
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.320
from somebody else. I've got readers that I'm very lucky,

711
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:06.119
you know, I know quite a few people in this industry,

712
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.800
and so I can book in with them or give

713
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:11.199
them a call and be like, I need somebody else

714
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.760
to read me, please, because I'm way too close to

715
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.719
you for sure.

716
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.599
Well, now, obviously you have quite a few Tarot decks,

717
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.920
and I imagine many terror readers out there do do

718
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.960
you typically work with one Taro deck for a season

719
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.639
or do you kind of discern what Tearo deck do

720
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.719
you use depending on your client.

721
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.719
I have got lots of deck I'm probably around four

722
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.079
hundred to five hundred mark right now, and a lot

723
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.480
of that is because, like I'm constantly creating decks as well,

724
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.000
but that I'm sent decks from people. I also back

725
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.639
lots of decks on Kickstarter, and I purchased a crap

726
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.159
out of all the tecks, Like it is just maybe

727
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.119
like a little bit of an obsession. But I have

728
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:03.559
got specific Taro decks that I work with for specific readings.

729
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:07.840
So I have my Aristoma Taro, for example, that I

730
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.960
will only ever use for Aristoma readings, and that's always

731
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.199
out on my desk. But I have these little drawers

732
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:18.679
next to my screen, and there's fifteen of them, and

733
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.480
I will cycle out decks, so I will usually always

734
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.199
have my Cosmicquits and Taro deck, which is a deck

735
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:30.000
that I've created. I'll usually have my dru Craft Taro,

736
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.360
which is a deck that I've had since the early

737
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.800
two thousands, and I love, love love, and I've read

738
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.400
for thousands of people. But then it's often seasonal, but

739
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.679
I tend to have a more shadowy or a more

740
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.920
I guess like black and white or a shadow themed

741
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.599
deck that I like to have out because sometimes we've

742
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.719
got to go there. But then usually it's a season.

743
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.119
So right now I'm starting to get out a more

744
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.519
of the decks that am in line to spring, that

745
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.480
are bringing in that fresh energy, that are kind of

746
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:07.840
aligned with the natural world. And I think that's a

747
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.679
throwback to my like wishy roots that I tend to

748
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:16.239
do that. But then I will also have a deck

749
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.559
that speaks to mediumship and working and speaking the spirit

750
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.440
and spirits. So there are seasonal ones, and then there

751
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.159
are reason ones, and then there are lifetime and then

752
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.000
just to make sure that I'm kind of getting through

753
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.199
and really working with my decks because I want to

754
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.719
work with them. There are very few decks that I

755
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.280
purchase and just park, you know, like they're meant to

756
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.440
be used. There are some that are like rare collectus

757
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.960
ones that I'm like, this is because I'm a nerd

758
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.599
and I want to have this nerd thing and it's

759
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.800
nerd box. Do not break the deal. But for often,

760
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.239
you know, I do actually want to get to use

761
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.920
it and have that as a part of my collection

762
00:45:59.119 --> 00:45:59.760
that is in use.

763
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:01.880
Okay, So.

764
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:07.480
Something that a lot of people think when they're thinking

765
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.519
about taro is oh, yeah, you know I can do this,

766
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.440
I can read. Tell what's the biggest mistake asparing professional

767
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:16.079
readers make.

768
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:22.599
Oh, I think there's many mistakes that aspiring professional readers

769
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.639
can make. I'm very aware of anyone who tries to

770
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.639
tell you that you can make six figures out of

771
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.119
this that after three months of learning, or that you're

772
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.800
not going to although you're not going to have to

773
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.280
do lots of admin and it's going to be a

774
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.000
lot of work behind the scenes. Like it's that very

775
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.599
much like eighty percent behind the scenes twenty percent, like

776
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.760
you're actually getting to do fun stuff like this or

777
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:54.000
getting to do that interface stuff. Is it is hard work.

778
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:59.079
I mean I've been I've been running my tarot business

779
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:05.920
doing this full time for eleven years now, since I

780
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.840
moved everything online. And you know, the world changes, things change,

781
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:17.320
You're gonna have to adjust quickly. But yeah, I guess

782
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.159
it's it. Maybe I'm a bit of an old dinosaur.

783
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.440
Maybe I should be on TikTok and streaming twelve hours

784
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:30.239
a day maybe that's the way to go. But anything

785
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.119
that you want to do as a profession I actually

786
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.440
really hate that saying love what you're doing you never

787
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.280
work a day in your life. It's like, I love

788
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.239
what I do and I've never worked fucking harder in

789
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:45.840
my entire life. Because the butt stops with me. I

790
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.960
need to be doing the thing, you know, Like I

791
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:53.639
can't just go well, I've clocked out, that's someone else's problem.

792
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.880
It's like, no, actually, this is this is my thing,

793
00:47:56.960 --> 00:48:04.239
and I'm the face of my business. So yeah, but

794
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.639
the whole like oh you can make six figures in

795
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.960
three months, or that kind of predatory behavior of people

796
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.320
who want to sell stuff. That kind of grind for

797
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.199
my gears a little bit, get my goat. But yeah,

798
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.199
you'll be doing admin and you'll be dealing with a

799
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.960
lot of different people, so be prepared to get thrown

800
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:23.239
every cove ball in the book.

801
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:29.039
Well you don't want sharing cut along those lines like

802
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.159
how important is structure, pricing and even boundaries and professional

803
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:35.360
terror work.

804
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.719
Yeah, it is really important to have all of those things.

805
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.880
I didn't at the beginning have like I guess, like

806
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.320
office hours because I was working and building my business

807
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.039
while I was on attorney leave, and I worked really

808
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.960
hard all the time for the first couple of years

809
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.440
to get everything up and running. But having those boundaries

810
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:05.400
is really important, so ensuring that you've got that level

811
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.960
of separation. So most people, most of my clients don't

812
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.199
have my mobile phone, and for example, you know, if

813
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:13.440
they want to get a hold of me, they have

814
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:18.119
to email me because you know, I'm a single mother.

815
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:19.960
I've got things I've got to get done to and

816
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.719
a personal in my personal life and my family is

817
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.440
going to come first. So having those boundaries is going

818
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.679
to be very very important. But also having office hours

819
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.960
and showing up and giving a shit is really important too.

820
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.440
I've seen a lot of very talented spiritual people, whether

821
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:44.480
it be healing modalities or mediumship or tower reading. They're

822
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.760
so talented, but there's no business acumen behind it. So

823
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.039
it fails because there's so much of this Like, well,

824
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.679
I guess the raw talent will carry you. It's like yes,

825
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.719
and we live in a world where we need to

826
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.800
be able to, you know, show up for work every

827
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.840
day unless you're sick or whatever it may be, do

828
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.199
your things that need to be doing, even if you

829
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:07.920
don't want to do them well or not very fun

830
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.719
and be consistent and not just want to be like, oh,

831
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.920
when the moon is I'll only work three hours when

832
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.480
the moon is in aquarius and it's in a waxing

833
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.519
blah blah blah. It's like, well, good luck with that,

834
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.280
honey buns. Like I'm sure like that. That's fabulous, But

835
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.480
you're shooting your you know, you're shooting yourself on the

836
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:31.960
foot there. So having boundaries and really also being aware

837
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:36.639
of what your capacity is, because if your capacity is

838
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.000
you just want to show up and do the job

839
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:44.239
and go home, go work for a shop, or go

840
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.760
do events where you show up, you do your job

841
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.920
when you go home. Being someone who is their own

842
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:52.880
I guess, like I hate this word, but it's someone

843
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.039
who is their own brand or runs their own everything

844
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.639
that's not for everybody. So knowing where your best and

845
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.760
where your talent can really shine instead of trying to

846
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.320
be everything for everybody to everybody, including doing everything yourself,

847
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.480
so that you can actually bring your gift to the

848
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:15.159
world and reach people in a way that is going

849
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:20.239
to feel good for everyone involved.

850
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.119
Now, if someone wants to truly improve their reading ability,

851
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.760
where where should they really start read.

852
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.880
For people you don't know, but honestly get like you

853
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.679
were going to be shaken in your boot probably. I

854
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.440
mean I remember the first few times I ever well,

855
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:40.280
I've got to say it was like the first few

856
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.440
years of reading for people I didn't know, And that's

857
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:48.119
really earning your stripes. Nothing like experience is going to

858
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.239
give you the ability to know whether this is something

859
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.719
you really want to do professionally because doing it is

860
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.599
a side thing or just doing a few like fun

861
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.960
events or you know, with your girlfriend on a weekend.

862
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.039
There's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to turn

863
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.280
everything you love into a freaking side hustle or or

864
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:11.400
a job like you just don't. But I really was

865
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.800
like the first time I did a psychic fair, I

866
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.960
was crapping myself, right, But like you have to at

867
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.559
some point the band aid off and read for people

868
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.960
you don't know, because there was a comfortness in like

869
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.880
a comfort ability of reading your friends and your family.

870
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.480
But it's also a handicap because those people aren't gonna

871
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.960
really want to hear it from you anyway, like they're

872
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.159
not gonna want you. We all know when we've given

873
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.840
people advice in our friends and family, and then they

874
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.880
don't listen, don't listen, and then some asshole comes in

875
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.559
that they don't really notice is exactly the same bloody thing,

876
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.679
and they listen to them, and you're just like why,

877
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.599
you know, Like that happens from a terror perspective too,

878
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:55.360
Like go find people you don't know, Go ask united

879
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.519
you know, the universal churches, like I can't remember, you

880
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.840
can't remember? Remember they called United churches or the ones

881
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.639
that are open to all modalities. Go to look and

882
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.199
see where your local psychic bears are. They believe me,

883
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.639
they're somewhere in your town. Go sign up for it.

884
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.599
Even if you just say I'm a student reader. No

885
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:17.719
one cares if you're a student reader and you're doing

886
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.679
it for five bucks or a tips or ten dollars.

887
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.480
That is the best way to get hit the ground

888
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.159
running and learn is from people you don't know and

889
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.840
that don't have a vested interest in their life. I

890
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.000
think that's the best way of learning and practice, practice practice.

891
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:42.079
I still read books on tarot, Yes, I love especially

892
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:46.800
going into second hand bookstores and finding like old antique

893
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.639
books from the sixties and fifties. Oh my favorite I read.

894
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:52.559
I love that stuff. Like you can lose me in

895
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:56.960
those places. I still love reading about Taro and about

896
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.639
the spiritual world and about parapsychology and about psychology, and

897
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.960
I mean, I'm just very Gemini, but yeah, I'd never

898
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.559
stop learning, because even if you know the fiber cups

899
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.000
means grief and it means lost, and it means sometimes crying,

900
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.000
it was filt milk. It's like you never know when

901
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:22.440
really there's that aha moment, or an author says it

902
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.280
in a way that really hits you and you're like,

903
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.480
and it opens up a whole new doorway to you.

904
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.000
And get readings from other people. I've been really lucky

905
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:33.800
to go to a lot of conferences, a lot of

906
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:37.599
Terrort conferences, and usually in those terrost conferences, you'll do

907
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.840
readings for each other. And I've had incredible transformational moments

908
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:48.440
on the cards because another reader has said something and

909
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:52.599
I'm like, I've completely missed that about this card, or

910
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.559
I've never seen it that way, or because I didn't

911
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.800
study the Golden Dawn to the level of this person.

912
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.760
I don't have that lens, but hearing it from somebody

913
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.159
else has been like so great. And when the other

914
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:10.199
thing about getting readings from other people. Is I've also

915
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:13.679
learned how not to be a reader and not and

916
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.920
what not to do from getting readings from people and

917
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.760
going like whoa this person? Like I can't believe they

918
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.719
said that, or they're charging for this, or like wow,

919
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.519
I'm really over delivering. So get a bit of perspective

920
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.679
on everything, I think is a good way to go.

921
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:35.199
Okay, Well, now, so if listeners were to remember only

922
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:39.000
one thing about taro after this conversation, what do you

923
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:39.599
hope it is?

924
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.719
Don't let anyone tell you what the taro is to you.

925
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.920
What the taro is for me is what it is

926
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:54.159
for me. Datekeeping in anything is a little bit nonsensical,

927
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.280
especially in the world of where we can just google anything.

928
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.519
But yeah, I don't know anyone say what you can

929
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.239
you can't do. I still get emails to this day

930
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.800
where people say to me, my family and friends told

931
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.719
me the taro is evil and you know they don't

932
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.800
want me doing this, or I've heard that you have

933
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:16.880
to do X, Y and Z. And I get why

934
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:21.599
people can sometimes have those experience with those biases because

935
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:23.599
the taro a has been around for a long time

936
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.800
and and maybe you think there are some traditions that

937
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:27.679
come across you know, come along with that and you

938
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.480
have to do it right. Or you have your religious

939
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.599
backgrounds of people who are going to color their perspective

940
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of the taro moving forward and how they see it.

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But don't want anyone tell you that you can't work

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with the cards and how what taro is to you.

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I will die on the hill that if you are

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going to be a taro reader, you have to learn

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the system of taro. You can be an intuitive card

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reader and read with any taro oracle play card. I

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don't give us stuff Pokemon cards you want, so absolutely

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go for a pique. You're going to tell you that

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you are going to have a fantastic day and get

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you the job that you've applied for. Fill your boots,

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honeylet's amazing. But you are not a taro reader if

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you do not know and learn and understand the structure

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of the tarot deck. You are a card reader who

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happens to read with the tarot deck. But don't let

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anyone say that you can't be in into it or

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reader who uses the tarot. I know that seems a

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little bit hypocritical, like of what I was saying, but

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you get to use the tool however you want. I

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differentiate that from the person who understands and reads the

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cards as the tarot, as the thing that has been

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handed down by the people who designed the decks, especially

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from the nineteen hundreds onwards. Well, I mean a little

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earlier than that. But let's just say when the major

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right away Smith and the Thoth started in the early

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nineteen hundreds. The mass day you know, the urt do,

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I say, is a little bit further back. But even

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that is rooted in numerology and also has a system.

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It was handed down, so you learn that for God's

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sake if you want to call yourself reader, but you

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can also use it as an intuitive tool as well.

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But I mean, who, I'm not the grand poobiotara. If

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you don't agree with wise, they will then do whatever

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you want, Like no one decided that I'm the one

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to speak on behalf of all of our our incredible community.

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But if it's a tool you love, if there's something

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that is you're drawn to, then give yourself permission to

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be curious and to see where that leads you. Because

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curiosity and joy and passion will lead you infinitely in

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more fun places than being worried about doing it wrong,

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you know.

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All right, yeah, well, we are at that time where

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we have to let you go, so I want to

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give you a chance to tell everybody where they can

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find you, find your word. The MIC's all yours.

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So I am over at ethny dot com. You can

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find me there, and Tarrides Academy dot com as well,

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and all of my books are at Llewellyn. I'm papas

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through them.

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And yeah, all right, well, thank you for joining us.

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We're gonna just put you in limbo while we close

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out the show, so you don't mind hanging on with

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us for a little bit. We'll talk to you after

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we close out. Thanks, all right, So until next week

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when you find us, same time, same channel. My name

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is Eric and I'm justin Bace.
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Ethony Dawn

Author / Tarot Goddess

Ethony Dawn is a globally respected Tarot reader, spiritual teacher, and author with over 25 years of experience reading for clients worldwide. She blends Tarot, psychic insights, and mediumship to help people find clarity, connection, and direction in their lives.
Ethony is the author of Your Tarot Court (Llewellyn, 2019), Tarot Grimoire (2024), and Become an Exceptional Tarot Reader (2025). She is also the creator of six Tarot decks and seven Oracle decks, including the beloved Awakened Soul Oracle and Money Magic Manifestation Cards.
As founder of the Tarot Readers Academy, she has taught more than 20,000 students to read Tarot with confidence and intuition. Based in Vancouver, BC, Ethony is a lifelong Spirit connector, passionate creator, and sacred mischief-maker who believes life becomes magical when we live with purpose and intuition.