Feb. 11, 2026

Talking To The Other Side: Spirit Communication In The Modern World w/Sterling Moon

What if spirit communication isn’t rare—but misunderstood? In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, we explore how spirits may communicate through signs, symbols, dreams, and intuition. We break down common misconceptions, discuss ethical and safe...

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What if spirit communication isn’t rare—but misunderstood?

In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, we explore how spirits may communicate through signs, symbols, dreams, and intuition. We break down common misconceptions, discuss ethical and safe practices, and examine how everyday people can recognize spiritual signals without fear or sensationalism.

Join us as we pull back the veil and ask what’s really reaching out from the other side.

Guest bio: Sterling Moon (she/her) is a full-time, heels-on-the-ground, tarot reader, psychic medium, folk magician, animal communicator, published author, podcaster, and educator on the mystical and strange. She is the author of Talking to Spirits: A Modern Medium’s Practical Advice for Spirit Communication (2023) and Llewellyn’s Little Book of Spirit Communication (2025), published by Llewellyn Books. She has several self-published works and more formal titles on the way. Sterling has been working with clients and teaching professionally since 2013. She started a school called the Sterling Moon Divination Academy in 2021 and offers classes around the country. Sterling also spent 20 years as a professional advocate for victims and survivors of crime in Wyoming, Minnesota, and Colorado, and holds a Master's Degree in Advocacy and Political Leadership.


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What if spirit communication isn't rare but misunderstood? Tonight we're

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asking the questions most people are afraid to ask. Are

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signs from the other side real? Can anyone communicate with spirits?

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And how do you explore this safely without inviting fear

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or chaos into your life? Welcome we well do para Truth.

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What's up everybody? And welcome to Paratruth Reborn. My name

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is Eric and I'm Justin and today we are talking

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to Sterling Moon about her book Llewellyn's Little Book a

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Spirit Communication. Now. Sterling Moon is a full time heals

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on the ground, tarot reader, second medium, folk magician, animal communicator,

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published author, podcaster and educator on the mystical and the strange.

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She's the author of Talking to Spirits, a Modern Medium's

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practical advice for Spirit Communication, which came out in twenty

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twenty three, and of course Llewellyn's Little Book a Spirit

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Communication which came out just this past year in twenty

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twenty five, which was of course published by Llewellyn Books,

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and you guys all know lluwell In Books. She has

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several self published works as well, and more formal titles

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on the way. Sterling has been working with clients and

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teaching professionally since twenty thirteen. She started a school called

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the Sterling Moon at Divination Academy in twenty twenty one.

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It offers classes around the country. Sterling also spent twenty

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years as a professional advocate for victims and survivors of

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crime in Wyoming, Minnesota, and Colorado, and she holds a

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master's degree in advocacy and political leadership. Sterling, Welcome to

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Paratruth Radio, or so glad to have you.

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Reborn to be bornety born.

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I always we always make that mistake. We will forget

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about that.

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Transition we made of a year and about I think

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it almost threw the one.

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Yeah, we're excited to have you on, and we we've

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been Uh, I've had this in our calendar for quite

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a while, so I'm always looking for Okay, this one's

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gonna be an interesting one. But before we get started,

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kind of want to just give you the opportunity to

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kind of tell people beyond what I already shared, the

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just who you are and kind of what you do

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on a daily basis.

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Well, I mean that's kind of you. You got the

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highlights of what I do professionally. But you know, I

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live in Colorado, I'm a I'm a mom. I you know,

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I'm a partner. I I don't know. I'm just kind

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of like, I'm a professional weirdo, professional weirdo. And I

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always say that even if I weren't doing this as

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a job, which this was never the plan. I mean

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I kind of always joke that I thought I was

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going to be running a nonprofit by now, and it

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just this work just kept getting bigger and bigger and

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kept getting more and more of my heart. But even

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if it's there comes a point where it's not my job,

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I'm still just going to be really passionate about spirit

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communication and magic and wandering around haunted places with my

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friends and oh, thank goodness, there's a cat here. I'm

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assuming that was a mat I'm not digging of that,

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or we have some really spooky stuff already happening.

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I mean, Eric has a lot of spooky stuff in

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his house too, So.

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Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. I'm very grateful.

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I have a little black kiddy named Poe. She is

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a kitten still, and she's an absolute menace. But she

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tired herself out and so she's sleeping, which I'm really

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grateful for. Otherwise we would have a whole other set

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of problems here. But yeah, I don't know that. Probably

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that pretty much.

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Covers it all, right, Well, it's always awesome to like,

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you know, have a passion and be able to make

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a living off of that.

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That's pretty cool. So congrats on that.

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Hey, thank you. It's grateful every day.

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Yeah, and you do a lot, like more than a

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lot of people do.

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So the what I put I corruct I attribute that

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to is I want to have a lot of energy.

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And you know, I will say my parents growing up

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I were silversmiths. They were hence the name Starling. But

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so I you know, watched my parents. They were professional artists,

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and you know you kind of just having that as

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a model of like watching them do all the things

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until my dad passed away in two thousand and one.

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But it definitely kind of like gave me an idea

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of like, oh, that's what running your own business is like.

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But also I spent so long, like getting up at

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like thirty in the morning to practice magic or practice

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spirit communication and you know, or take classes with you know,

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teachers from around the world, and by the time I

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got had the privilege of being able to do this

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as a job. I was like, I don't want to

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waste any more time, Like I just want to hit

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the I want to do all the things I want

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to do as much as I can while I can.

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So well, I'm a huge fan of the show Archer,

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So when Sterling came up, and Sterling Archer, I'm like,

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oh my god, I get this woman.

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Yeah, so yeah, Sterling Archer was the best character. Love that.

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M So, what made you want to write this book?

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Well, this one, I will say, was kind of this

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opportunity was handed to me. I which that's like not

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the fanciest of explanations, but uwell and asked me if

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I would write the Little Book of Spirit Communication for

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their Wonderful Little Book series. I think there's twenty or

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twenty one books in the in the series so far,

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and had I wrote Talking to Spirits like I love

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to write, Like this is like being able to be

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a published author is like my fulfilling a childhood dream.

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And Talking to Spirits was like that that book that

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I was like, if this is the only one I

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get to write, I will be happy. And I've heard

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other published authors say that your first book is kind

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of like the first pancake. You know, when you're making pancakes,

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they're kind of like the first one is always a

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little too buttery, and it's a never quite perfect, but

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you love it anyway. That's kind of how I feel

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about talking to spirits, and so I was really excited to,

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you know, have I was really excited at the idea

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of writing a concise introduction to spirit communication until I

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sat down to write it. Thirty five thousand words is

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pretty short for a book, and because it literally is

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a very little book, and it turns out being concise

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is hard, especially because I wanted it to be something

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that would be a good fit for somebody if this

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was the first book on spirit communication they ever picked

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up on. And I talked about this in there that

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I often see that there's kind of four doors that

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people come through when they are interested in talking to spirits.

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And so you have people that they had their survivors

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of grief and lost, you know, they they've lost someone

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and they want to try to talk with them. You

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have like, you know, magical folks you have call it,

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I call us natural mediums. Where you couldn't avoid the

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presence of spirits if you tried, and then you have

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the paranormal folks. And I really do think that all

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of us can benefit from a pretty like a good

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well rounded baseline of information. So that was the tactic

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that I took with little book, and I'm pretty happy

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with it.

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Cool. So, so this book really is for across the

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spectrum of beginner, experienced practitioners and just those sort of curious.

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It's really for anybody, right, I mean, that's the that's

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the goal. I mean.

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One of the things that I really enjoyed was getting

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into like some of the history, like telling a lot

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of my favorite stories, getting into some of the lore

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and some of the terms that we all use, and

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kind of discovering maybe some of the ways that things

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have gotten misconstrued or little mixed up over time. Like

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one of the examples that I gave was like this

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the stone tape theory, which I had always grown up

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hearing that you know, oh, that's like the idea that

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brick or limestone or quartz can really you know, soak

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in and amplify energies, right, and so, but then to

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find out that it actually was the name of a

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BBC special in the seventies that came out on Christmas Day,

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and uh yeah, just to find out that and and

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to see that this is like something that kind of

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it is morphed into something different, and so little little

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stories like that have been kind of fun to bring

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up to.

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Now for those that don't know what is spirit communications, Corey,

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you know, beyond of you know, the fictional movies and

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TV shows and stories and stuff like that.

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I mean, that's a good I mean, that's kind of

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like a hard one to put in. It's like such

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a simple question and it's also kind of hard to

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like say succinctly. I mean, it's the idea of first

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you have to talk about what is a spirit? So

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first of all, you have to talk about what is

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a spirit? Right? I think most of us, like when

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I first, you know, started getting curious about these weird

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experiences I was having. I I really started thinking about

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you know, it was like for me, it was like guides,

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like spiritual guides, gods and ghosts like those I was

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I say, the three g's were like the only things

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that I was really interested in. And as I started

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getting deeper into this, I'm like, wait, it seems like

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there are you know, there's all this folklore and these

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different types of experiences that people are having out in nature.

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You know, there's there's also the darker spirits. I mean,

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not everything is. I am of the belief that much

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like much like everyone that is out in the in

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the world, most folks are pretty good, some aren't, and

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that includes the spirit world. So there are those darker energies.

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There's also I think that there's room within this like

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spirit communication bucket for you know, cryptids and you know,

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incidents of high strangeness and extraterrestrials and things like that,

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those types of visitations and so kind of like first

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of all, it's like thinking about what is a spirit

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and then really it's just figuring out how to talk

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to those spirits. And most of the time it's not

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going to be through our five primary senses. It's also

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going to be involving our psychic senses, which are also

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sometimes called the Claire's.

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There's this for decades, people who believe that cryptids and

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primarily we'll talk about Bigfoot in this case was it

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physical or is a physical being? But it almost seems

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like because we have yet to find any true hard evidence,

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people are starting to shift to this, well, maybe it's

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spiritual or maybe it's extraterrestrial. Do you think that that

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is a legitimate belief or possibility or do you think

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that people who have been so strong hung on the

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physical aspect because of not getting it, they have no

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choice but to be like, oh well maybe in that

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case it's this, even if they don't really believe it themselves.

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So I'm going to apologize first to the flesh and

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blood community out there, Like, I know that probably what

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I'm gonna say is going to really tick you off.

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But I here's the thing. I don't know if it's

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I just think it's all really fun, Like it's so

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fun to think about the possibilities and my favorite So

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I will also back up and say, so my mom

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and my stepdad. My stepdad is a hoot. So he

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worked and he did like financial consulting, and he lived

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and worked in something like seventy two different countries over

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the course of his career. And one of the things

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that he was really interested in was the monster of

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the world. And so he would you know, he's in

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Africa and you know, learning about a nanci and you know,

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like this the spider god and you know, he's getting

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to be in Nepaul and getting to learn about the

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Yetti and so anyway he ends up he and my

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mother end up getting together in like the mid two thousands,

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and my mom is also my parents were silversmiths until

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my dad passed away, but my mom is also a

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visual artist. So they get together and they start like

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doing illustrations of all kinds of like monsters. So that's

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also like another and as a family, we really love

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to go to like you know, we love to go

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to haunted places and stuff like that, and so I

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kind of came up with just uh, cryptids were always

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a part of my life for the past, like you know,

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twenty years. And my favorite like just to use uh,

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just to use Bigfoot as an example. My favorite story

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or theory with Bigfoot is that he they're realm walkers

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in a very similar way that the Fay are realm

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walkers or you know Tommy Knockers or which you know

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those are. We have a lot of lore of those

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in Colorado out in our minds, and so I just,

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I don't know, I think that's a very and I

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also love the theory that what if Bigfoot is like

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these are just ghosts of like really really old beings.

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Like that's again, who knows. It's very fun to think about.

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Though again I'm very sorry to your flesh and blood

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community out there who is possibly seething.

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So Tommy Knockers did something more than just a Stephen

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King book, then oh.

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Yeah, oh my god, I would love to tell you

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about the time. So so yeah, out here in Colorado,

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you know, in our gold and in our gold mines,

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which you know, Colorado has a very bloody, hard history,

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like a lot of like I mean really our country

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has a pretty for We have a very interesting history

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in this country. And so you know the mines. We

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had the gold rush in the late eighteen hundreds, and

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we have these towns that were like nothing and then

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they you know, blew up to you know, tens of

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thousands of people and then it was this boom and

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bust type of thing. But we had a lot of

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immigrants that came over from Cornwall and from Ireland, and

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so one of the things that you know, the first

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incidents that I've heard of of Tommy Knockers being referenced

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in the United States were Cornish miners in the Pennsylvania

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Coal mines, and by the time, you know, they start

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coming out to Colorado, you start hearing about these stories

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of these beings in the minds and if you're nice

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to them, they'll be helpful. They you know, there's stories

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of the miners that they would give like a little

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bit of their food as an offering, and you know,

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stories of getting tipped off when something was wrong in

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the mines. But if you were a jerk, sometimes the

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Tommy Knockers were not so nice. And you know, it's

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kind of that interesting theory too, of like, you know,

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worthy spirits that were here that are just similar to

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maybe what the you know, these immigrants from Cornwall were

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experiencing in their homeland, and you know, you just bring

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a familiar name over to like these, you know, to

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what you're finding in your new country. Or do we

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bring our spirits with us as we travel? You know,

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that's another fun thing to think about. But yes, much

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more than a Stephen King novel. And there's also a

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brewery called Tommy Knockers in one of our towns. Well, now,

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shifting back to the book, I will say that was

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then both of those are in there, so I technically

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didn't take it's off too far.

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Well, now we have, like just in the people that

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we've talked to, you know, there tends to be a

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grand number of people who tend to experience signs of

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the spiritual, and yet they continue to doubt themselves on

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what they're seeing or what is actually out there. Why

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do you think that so many people who experience with

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these signs do continue to doubt themselves despite those signs

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being so prominent.

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Well, I mean, especially if it's like I mean, it

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sometimes depends on who the sign is coming from. One

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of the examples I gave in the book was from

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a friend of mine named Mandy, and Mandy and I

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worked together for god like twelve years. She always toad.

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She'll still introduce my meetings be like she was my supervisor,

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and I'm like, no, babe, you were unsupervisable. She's like,

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absolutely unsupers. But I knew her kids from the time

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that they were little, and heartbreakingly, her son Jaden and

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his best friend Ryan died in a car crash. God

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it'll be four years I think this coming October. And

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one of the examples that I put in the book

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was for Bandy, you know, was coming up with kind

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of a language of when she because I mean her

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those boys are strong like they are, they are loud,

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but it took her a really long time to believe

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because you know, she went through the I mean, there's

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few griefs, there's few kinds of grief out there that

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are deeper than that a parent that loses a child.

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And the the thing that she will often experience is

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a heads up dime. And she she started to give

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it like a I'm doubting that you can hear me.

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I want to find a heads up dime within like

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a certain timeframe. I can't say that there's ever been

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a time that he's left or hanging. And it's pretty

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funny because when I ask permission to include that example

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in the book within like I think it was like

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fifteen minutes I found a heads up dime, like and

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like on the floor of a hotel lobby. She was

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was really strange experience. But so I think sometimes it's

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just that deep grief and that you know, worry of

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like and also two people start to worry like am

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I going to turn into that person that see signs

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in everything? Because that's a different kind of problem, you know,

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like not every song that comes on the radio, is

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maybe a sign from your loved one. I think that

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signs sometimes, like you know, from guides or people that

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work with like deities. You know, sometimes I work with

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a lot of students who sometimes it feels like a

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deity or a more divine spirit is trying to like,

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you know, get their attention, and that can be also

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a true So I don't know, it's I think sometimes

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it's like that. Also, it's hard to open yourself up

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to that life might be more magical and mystical than

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we want to believe, because it's hard out here, you know,

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it's hard out here in the day to day.

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So I don't know.

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That's a really good question, and I don't have a

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simple answer.

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Yeah.

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So we've asked people, a lot of people about this,

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and the majority of the time we get the same answer.

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But I do feel that it has to do with

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your belief system and whatnot too. But you know, can

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anybody communicate with spirits or do you have to be like,

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as an example, a medium or a psychic.

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I'm probably going to tell you something you've heard before.

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I think some of I think there are some of

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us that we just we come into this world with

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those senses dialed up. I also, I do. I've met

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a lot of other people who do what I do,

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who also have been through some stuff, you know. I

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it's an interesting thing, like the number of people who

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have these You know, it takes a while sometimes before

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you can think of them as gifts. Sometimes it just

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seems like a lot a liability. Oftentimes, you know, we're

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a crew of people where we've been through some things,

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and sometimes these gifts are fairly hard one. But what

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you probably have heard the most is that yes, anyone

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can train, you know, right, like it's a it's like

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going to the gym, and like, you know, do you

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build up strength over time? Anyone can start with psychic

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development work, and I think everybody should start with psychic

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development work because number one, it's can be really fun.

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And also those are the skills that you need to

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have strong in order to be able to have spirit

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communication is really nuanced, and so you really do want

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to be able to like perceive those subtle cues. But

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so I think psychic development is the thing that anyone

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can start with. And then of course you can always

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try mediumship, and you know, for some people it's tougher.

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It's a tougher road, and for some people it's a

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lot easier and I don't And that just seems to

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be in the same way that some people have just

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a knack for playing the violin or for athletics, and

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we all come in with, you know, some level of

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baseline talent. But that's that's what I that's what I think.

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Okay, fair enough, and yeah, that's typically the answer we get.

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But a lot of people don't believe in this stuff,

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so they think that it's oh, you know, a medium

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or a psychic. They've been training for years or they

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were born that way, and I can't do that. I can't,

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I can't go in, or I don't want to, And

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that is more of a common one is I don't

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want to. I don't want that, and fair enough to

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a lot of those people, I.

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Don't want to open that door. That's that's the thing

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that I probably hear the hear the most, and it

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always cracks me up to when like my like some

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of my tarot students or you know, people who they

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read tarot cards and maybe they have their ancestor altar

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in their house and do a little candle magic here

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and there. But when it comes to talking with spirits,

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I don't want to open that door. And I always saying,

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I'm like, I need to tell you, but the doors,

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you're already already doing it.

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A lot of people believe those tools are are nothing

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more than just that, and in reality is yes, they

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are tools, but there's more to it.

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What's you're thinking, Yeah, absolutely? Do you find some when

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it comes to your students. Do you find that they

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don't want to open those doors because it's like a

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burden or because it's out of fear that they want

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to try to keep those things closed.

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So a lot of people come to me because they

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had a lot of like spooky experiences when they were younger,

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or they've had experiences over the course of their life.

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And it's funny, I have like a few different camps

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of people that often find me. So I have a

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lot of students who will come to me that will

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say I was really really open when I was younger,

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and then usually it's either something happened or it got

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too much, and so I actively worked to shut it down.

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And now I feel like there's something missing in my

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life and I want to try to open that back up.

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So that's kind of one group of folks. I often

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have a lot of people who are, you know, getting

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over some spiritual wounding. I have a lot of people

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that you know, grew up in really haunted houses when

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they were children, but they also lived in a deeply

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like monotheistically religious home, and we're told that's not real

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or it's all demon like, it's demonic, even though you're

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telling me that you saw Grandma and it was really

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nice and you know, so it was a confusing experience.

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So sometimes people come to kind of like re establish

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what they believe spiritually, which I think that's pretty cool

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to be able to kind of make your own way

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and kind of figure out what you believe as an adult.

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I think that's a pretty neat thing. And then sometimes

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I have people who come to me where they're like,

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this stuff is happening all the time, and I just

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I feel like I can't get any peace, and I

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need boundaries and I need like I need to be

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able to figure out what to do with this. So

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those are like the three kind of main groups of

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folks that I get as my students.

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Okay, it's always interesting, like to meet different people and

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see how they react, especially to past circumstances. So then

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you have like me and Justin who've experienced some pretty

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scary things where you're kids, and instead of being afraid,

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we're like, dive deeper, let's go far, Like what's happening.

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We've done some or had some scary things as adults too.

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I yeah, I'd love to hear about it, like what's

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your like, what's your favorite? Like what got you guys

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into this?

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Well? I I got started, and me and Eric kind

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of have a similar situation where, you know, I always

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had a a interest in this stuff. I got into

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Ouiji board at the very I shouldn't say very young age.

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I was a teenager tarot cards, and then you know,

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I was doing Ouiji board sessions with different people in

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my family, and we eventually got some really dark answers.

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So we're like, nope, nope, nope, we're putting that away.

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We're not doing that anymore. And then, uh, later on

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in life, Eric and I started talking about this stuff regularly.

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You know, we'd have a beer on the campfire and

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just start talking about this stuff. And we were watching

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shows like Supernatural, ghost Hunters stuff like that, so we're like,

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you know, what maybe we should start a paranormal investigation team.

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And on top of that, there's got to be somewhere

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where you could do like an online radio show. We

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had never heard the word podcast ever at that point

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in our lives. So we started Night Soccer's Paranormal Society

465
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and Nice Soccer's Paranormal Radio and it eventually turned into this.

466
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:20.599
But in the meantime, I opened myself up to psychico mediumship.

467
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.480
And you know, over the years, I've kind of felt

468
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:27.480
certain family members were that way. They just didn't realize

469
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:29.119
it or didn't talk about it.

470
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:34.400
Yes, yeah, oh that's so awesome. I've heard Okay, that's

471
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:36.279
I love it, love to hear it.

472
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.240
Yeah. And then on my side, like very similar to

473
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.480
j Justin grew up with Wiji board and you know,

474
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.319
playing around mostly you know, not knowing where Wigi board

475
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.720
really was. But I also grew up in a haunted house.

476
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.079
The houstin I'm currently living in is a family home.

477
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.279
I grew up here. My mom grew up here, so

478
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.519
my grandparents owned it. It's sixty years old and when

479
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:59.599
my mom was growing up here and we didn't I

480
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.119
didn't know this until I was already about sixteen years

481
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:05.440
old before her and my uncle finally spilled the beans,

482
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.240
if you will, Because you know, growing up, me and

483
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.480
my sisters had always witnessings. We'd hear footsteps, you know,

484
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.599
someone walking upstairs in the middle of the night, or

485
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.680
would see shadows, light, flickering, doors being opened and shut

486
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:19.319
by themselves, and my mom was always no, no, it's nothing.

487
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:23.559
It's not really to welcome parents, there's nothing there. And

488
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.640
then when we were sixteen, it was like in the

489
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:28.680
year's eve and my mom and my uncle were talking.

490
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:32.000
They started talking about dose encounters in this house when

491
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.880
they were children, and like my me and my sister's overheard.

492
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.480
We what And I was like, oh, yeah, like everything

493
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.079
you've been seeing the same thing. We've seen weird kids

494
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.759
growing up. So I grew up in a notoriously haunted house.

495
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.680
And then when I moved, we moved out of here

496
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.079
in two thousand and four, went to another city and

497
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.680
we had a little haunting there when my family had

498
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.559
always see this blue orb floating around the house. We

499
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:57.480
never knew where it was or who it was, but

500
00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.640
we would all witness it at the sand exact time

501
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.000
or at different times, and so that was kind of

502
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.400
like the introduction to like this is interesting. But then

503
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.440
right before, right around the time we started the podcast,

504
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.000
I dimped into a little book known as the Lesser

505
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:12.759
Key of Solomon.

506
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:19.160
Just that just a little, just a little something, a

507
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.440
little night tall and you were wanting to be a

508
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:22.839
demonologist at that point too.

509
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:24.960
I was, but I didn't know what I was getting into.

510
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:30.000
I opened some doors that got fit, just burst wide open,

511
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.000
and I fell into three months into modical pressure. I

512
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.720
started off with some just typical visions, like just not

513
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.880
typical but hoopy visions as I'm falling asleep, and then

514
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.680
that turned into nightmares, then shifted in the night terrors

515
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.559
and like I remember seeing these giant, like seven foot

516
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.480
shadows that would walk around my house midday and they

517
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.119
would just stand in the hall and stare at me.

518
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.359
Or I'd wake up and they're at the bottom of

519
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.640
the you know, the end of my bed. And one night,

520
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.400
like I it cost so vividly. My parents had a

521
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.519
dog who was she's like a like a black lab

522
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.720
and they have wood floors and you would always hear

523
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.599
her walking because you could hear the nails clicking on

524
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.400
own wood floor. So I was laying in bed and

525
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.240
there's like, my door is always shut, and there's a

526
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.640
little night light on the wall outside of my door

527
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.240
in this hallway, and so I hear the clipping, the

528
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.519
clicking on the door on the floor, and I'm like,

529
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.079
I lean over to see her shadow pass by, but

530
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.240
it stops at my door, and I'm waiting, and I'm waiting,

531
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.960
a wait, she doesn't pass And then all of a sudden,

532
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.880
there's just this deep guttural growl in my face at

533
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.440
the side of my bed, and it was like from there,

534
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.160
thing's just escalated real fast. But yeah, it kind of

535
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.839
got moved deeper into this whole understanding of the dark

536
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.400
side of the paranormal and the spiritual world. Yea. And

537
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:52.880
it took, you know, some overcoming. It took some intervening

538
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.480
of the Lord to step in and help me out

539
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.799
with some things. Yeah, you know, but it opened my eyes.

540
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.319
It helped me realize that there are people who've gone

541
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.200
through things. I've met some more people since then who've

542
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.960
gone through very similar things, who can't explain, who don't

543
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.400
understand that Easter, were fearful of it. But I've been

544
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.759
able to use my story to help them overcome their

545
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.279
own You know. Yeah, so then that's where I kind

546
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.960
of step in on this show. It's like I kind

547
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.759
of have this whole not a whole different, but slightly

548
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.480
different viewpoint where it's like I very much believe and

549
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.079
have witnessed the good. Yeah, but I think some people, unfortunately,

550
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:29.799
some people focus so much on the good that they

551
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.960
kind of let the guard down the.

552
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.160
Love and light. You can't let love and light just

553
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.160
kind of like, you know, make you stupid, is the

554
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.799
way that I often think about it, and you know,

555
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:44.480
and that's man, I always like, I think that's one

556
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.759
of the things that I do caution people with is that,

557
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.720
like I do think that you know, keeping the more

558
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.079
joy you can bring into this type of practice, I

559
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.400
do think there is an element of that that does

560
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.160
keep you safe, you know, because if like the way

561
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.000
that I often will go in to like at Haunted Space,

562
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.119
like I have a retreat that I will hold for

563
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.440
people that have studied mediumship with me for at least

564
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.359
seven weeks, so you know, we have like a shared

565
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.799
foundation of of you know, knowledge and kind of like

566
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.799
a shared language. That program is called Modern Mediums, but

567
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.200
then usually annually so far I'll rent a Haunted Space

568
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.680
I'll rent like a haunted hotel or you know, something

569
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.319
like that. Like this past year we were at the

570
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.680
Oliver House in Bisbee, Arizona. The year before that we

571
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:29.960
were at the Stanley and their their lodge. But you know,

572
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.880
it's it's one of those things where I kind of

573
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.559
will go into these spaces, whether it with you know,

574
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.359
I want to make friends, but I also have good boundaries,

575
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.400
like in the same way that if I'm going out

576
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.559
with my friends for the night, I'm not going to

577
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.359
just be like, you know, telling everybody that I meet

578
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.720
where I live. You know, this is like here's here's

579
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.519
how you find me. Here's like, oh my god, let's

580
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.359
keep in touch. And so you know, there is like

581
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.839
you do have to like have some street smarts and

582
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.599
some common sense and also like intervening quickly, you know,

583
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.400
because that stuff can get That's one of the things

584
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.519
that I if there's probably one bit of pro bono

585
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.680
work that I do the most, it's people that will

586
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.240
they have those types of attachment issues. And the number

587
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.000
of people that I've met who are walking around with

588
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.400
things that have been going on for ten years, fifteen years,

589
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.599
and it just breaks my heart, you know, because it's

590
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.799
like it doesn't have to There are remedies, So I

591
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.880
thank you for sharing that, both of you. Those are

592
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:23.119
I love hearing your stories.

593
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:28.039
Yeah, I mean there's so much more, but yeah, obviously

594
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:32.319
we have limited time. So I mean, yeah, I've had

595
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.400
those different encounters of seeing what I thought was my

596
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:41.359
dad in the doorway and to give him a hug Banish.

597
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.200
We've told this story multiple times. We have the opportunity

598
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:51.359
to do a investigation at Jeffrey Dahmer's home in Bath, Ohio.

599
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:59.160
It's where he grew up. Had some interesting experiences there

600
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.920
which where I was touched, somebody saw a floating torso

601
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:07.000
not on our team, another team. So there's been I

602
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.880
mean tons and tons since we've started this journey.

603
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.559
It's never your life is never boring. When this is

604
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.519
your hobby or your job, you know, whatever, it is

605
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.519
like never you will never be bored. That's actually one

606
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.960
of the things that I did put in Little in

607
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.160
the Little Book is like you get into this like

608
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.960
you have something to do anywhere you go.

609
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.319
Well, and I'll tell you what it's like Justin and I.

610
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.200
Over the years, so we've been doing this what like

611
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.880
twenty some odd years total, two thousand and six, Yes,

612
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.119
two thousand and six, one of years. Right. So, but

613
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.839
it's like we've at times have walked away, we shut

614
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.480
down the podcast, like we're done, we don't want to

615
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.039
do it anymore. And it doesn't take long, a couple

616
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.359
of months a year at tops, and then some somehow

617
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.640
we get drag right back in and we have a

618
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.400
new podcast about it. And said, every time we walk away,

619
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.480
there's something that pulls us back and say, you know,

620
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:56.200
let's just stay this time.

621
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.400
Say your work is not done with you. Right. Well.

622
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.359
I think the big issue though, too, is when you're

623
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.920
doing something like this, especially just a podcast, you're not

624
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:11.000
in the field, the the topics start to get stale

625
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:15.279
and stagnant, where it's kind of the same thing over

626
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.519
and over again. It's answers over and over again. So

627
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.799
it our ultimate goal with coming back was to try

628
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.319
and not let that happen again.

629
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.799
Yeah, and there are and I mean the good news

630
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.920
is there's a lot of there's a lot of weird

631
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.960
stuff and weird people doing cool things, and so I

632
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.039
hope you find all of them. I'm grateful that I

633
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:38.839
get to be one of them.

634
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:44.759
So well, you appreciate you Yeah, So getting back to

635
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:50.160
to the the stuff in the book again, probably heard

636
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.440
the same thing from everybody, but I'd love to have

637
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.000
your take on it. What is like the common or

638
00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:00.359
most common mistake people make when trying to communicate, even

639
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.359
more so when they open themselves up.

640
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.119
I think a lot of it is like it starts

641
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.839
with a like you've got to know what you're bringing

642
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.519
to the table. So I I think that, like and

643
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.760
I see this like, I'm gonna also draw some parallels

644
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.039
with like divination. You know, I always like joke that

645
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.480
like taro was like the gateway, it's like the gateway drug,

646
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.679
like the gateway drug for all the spooky stuff. But

647
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.800
you know, I will and I've been guilty of this too,

648
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.599
Like when you sit down to do a taroor reading

649
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.960
when you're like hyped up or you're you know, you're mad,

650
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.119
you're you're upset, or you're excited, you often just get

651
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.360
reflected back like what you're feeling, and then sometimes what

652
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.599
you see it doesn't come to pass. And one of

653
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.159
the things that I like have found really helpful with

654
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.199
divination that I think translates really well to spirit communication

655
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.920
is like taking like it like taking stock of what

656
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.639
is going on around me, what is like, how is that?

657
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:53.960
How?

658
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:55.880
What's going on in my body? What's going on in

659
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.360
my mind and in my emotions, and then doing something

660
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.039
consciously to release that. So I'm like a new It's

661
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.239
like I want to be like beige, you know, I

662
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.679
want to be like neutral canvas. And because I think

663
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.280
that with spirit communication that gives you the ability to

664
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.039
like be really, you're gonna notice, like if I really

665
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.280
take stock of how my body is feeling, and then

666
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.559
I notice that, Like for me, one of my tells

667
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:21.400
is that my head starts buzzing, like I get like

668
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.679
an itchy feeling in the top of my head, and

669
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.239
then I notice that like my back is hurting or

670
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.639
my throat is tight, and it what And I can

671
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.239
tell it wasn't like that before. That tells me something.

672
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.079
And so I think one of the things that I

673
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:39.239
see most common is folks just like not noticing themselves

674
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.079
before they start. I also think sometimes like not being

675
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.280
specific about what you are looking at, Like I see

676
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.039
so many people that will get together for like a

677
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.360
saying I love hosting seances. I think seances are so fun.

678
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.239
And also you want to make sure that you like

679
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.719
have a conversation before you start the seance. If somebody's

680
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.360
wanting to talk with like a murder victim that they've

681
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.000
never met, and somebody else is like I want to

682
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.079
talk to my grandma. You know, there might be some

683
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.679
I think sometimes being thoughtful about what you are looking

684
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.400
for and what you want to happen. But probably more

685
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.599
to your point, the thing that I think is most

686
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.159
common is folks will just throw open the doors and

687
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.440
then they forget to close them, and it's like you

688
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.400
just like, you know, just opening your doors to like

689
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.000
anyone that's coming in, and then you just walk away

690
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:36.039
and don't bother, like purposefully shutting things down. Those are

691
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:37.519
probably the things that I see the most.

692
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.000
I still make that mistake. I'm constantly open, and I

693
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.519
tend to leave it that way just because I feel

694
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.559
like I'm gonna miss something if I don't, huh, But

695
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.639
I like, as an example, I've lost a lot of

696
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.119
sleep at times where I feel something's trying to communicate

697
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.719
with me. I'll get the flashing light like bright light

698
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.280
in my eyes, which I've heard is a common one

699
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.519
for communication, and it's like leave me alone. I'm trying

700
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.800
to sleep, and then it all stops. So I just

701
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.119
have to kind of set that in rule when I

702
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.280
go to bed. Look, if you want to community come

703
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.519
with me in my dreams, that's fine. Let's not do

704
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.760
the flashing lights in my eyes so it wakes me

705
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:22.599
up type of thing.

706
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:24.599
I like to think of it as like it's like

707
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.440
I have office hours. There's a so there's a root worker.

708
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.199
He's this old he's this old time conjure man named

709
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:33.280
Professor Charles Porterfield, and he lives down in Denton, Texas,

710
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.800
and he is that man knows so much stuff. And

711
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.599
he was like the first person that I like, the

712
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.440
first like really bad ass, Sorry if I don't know

713
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.800
if I can swear, really awesome magical practitioner who also

714
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.960
would talk about like being sensitive to spirits, and he

715
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.440
gave this an example of he puts a chair out

716
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.079
by his front door and so and he will go

717
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.599
and like he'll just kind of, you know, make a

718
00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.880
point of spirits or welcome to come and rest, like

719
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.239
it's a it's a designated spirit chair. And he wants

720
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.079
to want a day he'll go out and check and

721
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.880
like if anyone's sitting there, he'll have a conversation with him.

722
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.320
But uh, but yeah, I I A would like to

723
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.599
think of it as like turn a volume control knob

724
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.000
that you I just I try to turn it down

725
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.519
so I can live my life. And but then I,

726
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:18.960
you know, you want to be able to turn it

727
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.239
up pretty pretty easily. But I understand what you're saying

728
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.719
for sure.

729
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.679
Yeah, I'll say like, also when it comes to a

730
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.079
terror reading, for example, how important if the ease were

731
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:33.519
like neutral you want to remain beage. I think sometimes

732
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.480
people don't realize how much energy plays into a reading,

733
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.679
because I know personal from personal experience. If if I'm

734
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.239
in a stressed state, if I'm angry something, that I

735
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.800
will read something in a negative way rather than in

736
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.480
a positive way or the right way, if you will.

737
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.280
And it's interesting how much of a difference it makes

738
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.840
when you take the time to meditate prior to doing

739
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.480
a reading, or even just to clear your aura or

740
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.119
the energy you know in your space. And so when

741
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.400
it comes to that though, like, what are some other

742
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.480
ways that maybe someone can ground themselves or create boundaries

743
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.239
or intention Like is there a you know, like one

744
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.000
specific way or we have all the ways that we can.

745
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.760
Get Oh my god, I mean there's so many ways.

746
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.159
I'll tell you the ones that are in the book,

747
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.400
and that'll or you know, and kind of like they're

748
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.599
they're a riff on very closely like what I do

749
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.519
for myself, what I teach my students, what I do

750
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.679
with my clients. You know, some people are like deep,

751
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.239
slow breath people and like you know, meditative, you know,

752
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:40.320
they enjoying like those meditative breaths. Other people hate that stuff,

753
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.840
like I have. I know some clients that they're like

754
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.079
trying to you know, calm down and take four deep

755
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.920
breaths is like anxiety inducing to be so for those folks,

756
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.440
you know, maybe like shaking out your limbs might be

757
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.079
a more effective way. But I always like to start with,

758
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.559
you know, taking a few breaths, do doing a little

759
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.360
bit of that body if you're just doing this on

760
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.719
your own, doing that body scan, you know, checking in

761
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.280
with like literally what's around you, what's going on within you,

762
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.360
checking in with your thoughts, checking in with your emotions,

763
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.400
and then you know, maybe taking three big breaths, big

764
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.480
wooshing breaths where you're shaking your arms or big steady,

765
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.880
long breaths and just imagine that all of that energy

766
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.559
is just like dumping out into the ground, like any

767
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.639
excess energy that you don't need is just dumping out

768
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.800
into the ground. I really love the I'm a big visualizer.

769
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.880
I love to imagine that I have roots growing from

770
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.039
the lower half of my body down through the soles

771
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.000
of my feet. I often like to think that I

772
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.239
have like a little tether from the top of my head,

773
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.800
you know, bringing you know, connecting all the way up

774
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:44.000
with the heavens or whatever lies beyond. And then I'll

775
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.400
end with a big, big inhale and then I envision

776
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.679
that I'm held in a bubble of protection and that

777
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.760
everything that I need can reach me with these but

778
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:56.960
anything else that's unhelpful just bounces away. I also, like,

779
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.119
you know, if I'm sitting down to do a tarror reading,

780
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:03.119
I am very very specific about like who I'm asking

781
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.440
for that insight to come from, because you know, you

782
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.360
could get a terror reading where you're using it as

783
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.840
like a spirit communication tool, like I want to, you know,

784
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:16.840
talk with my my most venerated ancestor, or if I

785
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.599
want to talk with my highest spiritual guide, I want

786
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.760
advice for my highest spiritual guide, or I want advice

787
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.119
for my highest self. But those are some things that

788
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.079
you can take to just study yourself, and I do

789
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.079
that with all of my clients. Before a session, we'll

790
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.239
just do a really quick grounding and that really does

791
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.119
help to bring down the energy even if people come

792
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.280
in very heightened, and it always seems to help almost always. Yeah,

793
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.559
I think it always seems to help many a single

794
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:43.719
time that it made things worse.

795
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:52.960
So, now, again we've probably heard this quite a bit,

796
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.440
but everybody's.

797
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.760
Kind of got something different. What are the most common

798
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.840
ways spirits communicate to living or is there a common way?

799
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.320
Well, so I'll tell you what is most common for me.

800
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.880
I'm a big like the I get the mental images.

801
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.119
It's like a movie playing on the inside of your minds,

802
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.559
like you're replaying a you know, replaying a movie, or

803
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.480
you know, thinking of how like a novel feels when

804
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.800
you're reading it. I get Claire audience messages pretty frequently,

805
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.360
and so like it's that's the similar feeling that you

806
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.519
get like an earworm, like you get a song stuck

807
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:30.480
in your head. I will tell you some of the ones.

808
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.880
You can also if you are like somebody who you

809
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.360
want to like cultivate your psychic senses and you realize

810
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.239
there's some like, you know, we have Claire sentience, which

811
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.639
is the feelings and the you know, the images and

812
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.239
the sounds and things like that, but there's also smell

813
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:48.280
and taste Claire Ghostin's and Claire aliens. I had never

814
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.199
had those experiences, and so for a whole year I

815
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.400
would I would do my own personal spirit communication practice,

816
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.440
and I say, send me a message through a smell

817
00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:01.000
or a taste. Worst decision ever, because that can disgusting.

818
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.239
So I think it's really interesting when I meet people

819
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.119
that they're like, I can smell ghosts, and I'm like,

820
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.440
that is sound awful. But also every week, you know,

821
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.039
I mean, I feel like everyone is a little different.

822
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.920
I think a lot of people will come in and say, well,

823
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.280
I don't know what my Claire is, And I'm like,

824
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.719
you've got a whole You've got like eleven different senses.

825
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.719
You have your primary senses, you've got your like it's

826
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:28.280
all a big mish mash. Don't think you just have

827
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.039
to have one. But I think a lot of people,

828
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.679
you know, you get we all know, like the crawling

829
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.719
out of your skin feeling, Oh yeah, oh god, that

830
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.280
that feeling when you're like everything in you is telling

831
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.800
to telling you to like run, but you're like, I'm

832
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:46.239
here for this. Here's the fun one. So those are

833
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.320
some of how things work for me. And I think

834
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.320
I feel like I've heard everything under the sun. I

835
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.559
don't know, that's just yeah, that's what I got.

836
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.199
I experienced a lot of the Clays myself, So it

837
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.239
mean i've I think it's more so like for the

838
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.599
common person that doesn't necessarily think that they have that

839
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.000
communication or whatever.

840
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.679
Oh okay, I mean I think a lot of people

841
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.559
are very I think most people have had the experience

842
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:14.639
of because I will ask this of people like kind

843
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.519
of your your average your average person out there, Like

844
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.599
have you ever heard the voice, like you know, the

845
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.519
voice that comes in and it's like get the heck

846
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:25.480
out of here, or oh my god, you should go

847
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.480
do this thing. I think a lot of people get

848
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.599
that kind of really powerful Claire audience sometimes. So I

849
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:35.119
think that sometimes is something that I see. I think

850
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.440
the goosebumps, like the creepy crawley on the flesh is

851
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.159
something a lot of people are familiar with. I think

852
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:46.199
most people are pretty empathic if they allowed themselves to be,

853
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.119
And so that's an aspect of Claire sentience, like feeling

854
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.159
what others are feeling, feeling, what has like soaked into

855
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.880
a space? What's that classic example of like walking into

856
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.400
a room where somebody's just had to fight and you

857
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.280
feel like uncomfortable. So I would probably say most people

858
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.679
have had that I have met, have had Claire audience.

859
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.480
And then different kinds of Clare sentience, whether it's emotional

860
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:16.159
feelings or like creepy crawley like skin crawling, goosebump feeling.

861
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.519
I also wonder too if a lot of us are

862
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.920
seeing like apparitions more frequently, but we think that they're people,

863
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.480
you know. I wonder that all the time.

864
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.360
It's I find it really interesting because like it's like

865
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.280
I'm one of those and this has been the way,

866
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.440
this way for many, many years now. But it's like

867
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.440
I can't always just discern when there's a good spirit around,

868
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.039
Like I can't walk into a house like, oh, this

869
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.360
is good energy or a good spirit. But as soon

870
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.000
as I'm near or somewhere close to the facility of

871
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.480
something dark, whether it's a dark spirit, dark energy, it's

872
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.719
like everything shits. Uh, you know, I get that head,

873
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.480
like this heavy headache right in my third eye. You

874
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.360
get this tingling, this almost instinct that's like you know,

875
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.039
you stip into a room and instinct says, oh, nope, nope,

876
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.719
we're going back, and this is this is too heavy,

877
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.280
you know, and it's it's weird because like I've tried

878
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.199
to focus in on that good energy. Not that I

879
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.000
can't feel good energy per se, but most times it's like,

880
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.079
can I discern the difference? It's like, oh, I know

881
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:17.800
when it's dark. I know when there's something dark. I

882
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.800
wrap buy a house and look at it like there's

883
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.440
something there and it's not a happy spirit, that's for sure,

884
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.440
you know, and it's it's really interesting, and I don't

885
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.400
know if that's like if it's something that I can

886
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.280
kind of change, or if that's part of like my story,

887
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.559
like when it comes all the way back to opening

888
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.199
that original door and like once they're coming back and

889
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.639
meeting these people who kind of experience those same things

890
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.119
as dark things, it's like, maybe that's just my track,

891
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:45.639
that's my pasth.

892
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.840
I mean, you went through a really intense experience and

893
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.880
so that like that does seem like you would be

894
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.360
really poised to recognize danger, you know, Like I mean

895
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:56.920
because it's like a form in the sorry. This is

896
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.960
like some of my old victim avicants speak coming in

897
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.760
but like that hypervit lens. You know that a lot

898
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.119
of people who've experienced a trauma, and I think that's

899
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.039
something that people sometimes forget, is that even though I

900
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.039
have a pretty like I'm a pretty light hearted person,

901
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.599
which I'm proud of, you know, I'm like, you don't.

902
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:14.760
You don't fall into twenty years of being a victim

903
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.719
advocate without a story that gets you there, you know.

904
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.519
And so I, even though I come into this stuff

905
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.119
with a lot of joy in my heart, I'm not

906
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.159
a dummy like and you know, I know a lot

907
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.440
of people who have had wildly traumatic experiences with spirits

908
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.840
and we I think that's something that also has to

909
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.400
be like acknowledged. But my suggestion for people, and this

910
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:36.760
is something that I will tell because I have a

911
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.039
lot of people who've had really bad experiences and then

912
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.599
they come in trying to find that joy. Going to

913
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:47.599
places that have like really lighthearted haunts can sometimes be fun.

914
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.639
Like I man, I it's I know it's expensive, but

915
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.400
I really I can't say enough good things about the

916
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.239
Stanley Hotel out Nesta's part in Colorado, where you know,

917
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.280
Stephen King famously wrote or came up with the idea

918
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.840
of the Shining But it's so much more. I mean,

919
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.079
it's like that place is so special and it really

920
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.440
I don't know. I just can't even tell you what's

921
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.000
going on there. There are so many it just delivers.

922
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.960
Like it's almost like a place that's like it's showtime

923
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.880
and it will deliver what you're looking for. And uh

924
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.320
and it's loud too, where it's you're not just like, oh,

925
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.639
maybe this is just me thinking that I'm having an experience.

926
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.599
It's like, oh no, this is so I don't know.

927
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.800
Sometimes going to places that have like fun haunts, I know,

928
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.880
I feel like those are harder to find though, because

929
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:40.280
not everybody wants like a fun haunt. I don't know, right, So.

930
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.280
I feel that a lot of people wonder this. You know,

931
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.199
is there a responsible or ethical line that people just

932
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.559
should not cross when it comes to spiritual menfation?

933
00:48:54.440 --> 00:49:00.360
You know, I guess everybody would have a difference. I

934
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.880
think for me personally, and this is kind of where

935
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:06.880
I get into I have real mixed feelings about some

936
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:11.800
true crime type stuff out there. I do I do

937
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.280
think folks should examine like when they're going to, like,

938
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.559
you know, connect with a murdered person. I just think

939
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.920
that there's like a responsibility to think about like just

940
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.440
to like maybe put your put yourself in the ghost shoes,

941
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.199
you know, and just think about, you know, what's your outcome,

942
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.679
and also like, you know, how could you maybe offer

943
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.440
some kindness to those spirits. I think you see that

944
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.760
a lot with like Southern plantations, where I'm like, really, like,

945
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:39.880
are we are we like, are we really not going

946
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.840
to like talk about like what this really was here?

947
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.079
Because that's a huge part of like those hauntings, right,

948
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.079
And so I do just think maybe, like I don't know,

949
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.119
historical context and like sensitivity is sometimes like a thing

950
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.199
that should be considered. I don't know if it's a

951
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.199
bright line of you should or shouldn't do it? You know,

952
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.440
I you ask the wrong person this question because I

953
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.800
will play Devil's advocate with you, and so we are

954
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.719
completely out of time because I'm like I wouldn't do this,

955
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.239
but then sometimes I would, you know. I Mean, it's

956
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.360
just it's a tricky thing. I do think that you

957
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.559
do need to just think about the consequences of your

958
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.719
actions and also just like think about you know, like

959
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.039
again just like thinking of like a lot of homicides.

960
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.679
Like there's a lot of like hauntings that are linked

961
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.719
to homicides. There's a lot of like violence against women

962
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.519
and kids that is linked to you know, hauntings, and

963
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.239
you know, I think it's also just kind of think

964
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.679
about not just those spirits, but also like if you're

965
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.559
someone that you're an investigator and you're like, you know,

966
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.440
putting out videos of your investigations out there, maybe also

967
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.400
just think of, like does this person still have living

968
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.199
descendants that maybe still kind of like following their names

969
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.480
and like have like a little Google alert on their names,

970
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.199
and maybe just think about it that way. You know.

971
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.480
So there's that I to say this for you, Eric,

972
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.079
because I'm like, oh man, you learned the hard way.

973
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.760
Be thoughtful. Like if you there's I made a lot

974
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.360
of like little like newer witches who are like I

975
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.880
want to work with the infernals, and I'm like, Okay,

976
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.679
let's think about this. So it's like you can do

977
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.400
whatever you want, but who are you gonna call if

978
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:23.039
things get out of hand? Yeah? I know, It's like

979
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.360
I don't think ghost musters would know what the heck

980
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.400
to do with that, But you know so I think too.

981
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.719
It's also just like if you're going to mess around,

982
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.639
make sure that you know what to do if you

983
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.079
find out, you know, Yeah, I.

984
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.280
Think it's important also to like just being a person,

985
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.159
Like if you're going to talk to another person, whether

986
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:46.239
you know, living or deceased, consider your own triggers, Like

987
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.880
what are some of the things that you've been through

988
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.639
that is similar to ask you a very similar question,

989
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.480
How would you respond? How would you react to that?

990
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.320
Because like if it would make you angry OR'd make

991
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:58.519
you upset in some way, maybe you shouldn't ask that question,

992
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.079
you know. But of course still it comes down to

993
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.519
one's a stream. And I'll be honest, there are some

994
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.760
people out there that are just either they don't care

995
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.880
or they're honestly just idiots and they do things without.

996
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.639
Yeah, and some folks just don't kind of you know,

997
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.760
it's they they're wanting to go in to be like

998
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.840
provocative or something like that. I will say, like a

999
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:23.320
question that I always get really good reactions to. Number one,

1000
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.639
asking for song recommendations, like what was your favorite music?

1001
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:29.920
Or can I play you a song. That's something that

1002
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.440
we'll sometimes do the Stanley Hotel. That was so fun.

1003
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.440
We got more like there is there is a spirit

1004
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.239
in the Lodge Library at the Stanley Hotel that loves

1005
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.800
Carly Simon, You're so ain. And also and there were

1006
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.400
these and three Little Birds by Bob Marley. It was

1007
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.480
really it was real cute dream. A little Dream of

1008
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.079
Me was one that just kept coming up and everywhere

1009
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.320
by Fleetwood Mac was one that kept coming up at

1010
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.880
the Oliver Hotel and Bisbee. But another question I love

1011
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.679
to ask to you is what advice would you have,

1012
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.679
you know, if you're if you're a spirit that is

1013
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.639
like keeping tabs on what we're all doing here, What

1014
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:06.280
advice would you have based on what you lived through

1015
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.119
or have seen and what maybe you are perceiving us

1016
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.719
go through. And that's always really interesting too.

1017
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:15.000
Yeah, for sure.

1018
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.440
Now, what's one thing that you hope that everybody takes

1019
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.960
away from the book or even this conversation today?

1020
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.239
Oh my gosh. So I think that one of the

1021
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:30.760
things that I get I find remarkably stupid in kind

1022
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.559
of like spiritual circles, is all the silos that everybody

1023
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.000
is is in, like the paranormal people, Like I get

1024
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.480
nervous every time, like anytime a paranormal show wants to

1025
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.280
talk to me, because I've had some tap terrible experiences

1026
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:48.079
with investigators that will treat me like I'm stupid because

1027
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.599
I identify first and foremost as a see er in

1028
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:55.920
a spiritist aka psychic medium, right, and so, but I

1029
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.639
also see like the witches think that the don't like

1030
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.599
the paranormal investigator or don't think there's value there, and

1031
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.880
the mediumship Like there's like the side the mediumship silo

1032
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.199
and the paranormal investigation side the silo and the witchcraft silo,

1033
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.159
and then the like the cryptos who the crypt you know,

1034
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.199
the cryptid people and the upologists, And I just think

1035
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.239
it's so dumb and we miss out on so many

1036
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.920
opportunities to like learn, because what if we're just all

1037
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.960
looking at different pieces of one gigantic puzzle. You know, Yeah,

1038
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.360
for sure that's a big part. That's a big theme

1039
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:34.360
throughout little Book of Spirit Community Communication, as is track

1040
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:39.280
down source text, look at history and look at context,

1041
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:46.000
and everybody should practice psychic development. Those are those are

1042
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:47.679
those are like the five things there?

1043
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.800
Well, I think like overall those things, especially to beginning

1044
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.159
there really works well with our show because that's what

1045
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.440
we came in here with the Paratroop, but we're born

1046
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.119
to do that. We have so many different people from

1047
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:03.920
various difficulty of life, regardless of their the belief systems

1048
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.079
and religions, you know, et cetera. It's like we all

1049
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.719
come here, we talk, we share, uh, we build this

1050
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.840
little community, you know, and it's I think it's important

1051
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.360
to the best know yourself. It's important to know others

1052
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.760
and what they go through, what they be right, because

1053
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:18.159
you can't work with people if you don't know what

1054
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:21.320
they're like, Like, you can't know I've had a very

1055
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.159
there was a time where I had a very uh,

1056
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:30.559
I guess negative view on the quote unquote Satanist, all right,

1057
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.039
but there are certain things that some of them believe

1058
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.199
that they think about and they consider that. It's like,

1059
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.159
oh that's interesting, you know. It's like it helps build

1060
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.480
a different foundation, I think for us in our own

1061
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.360
belief system, even if we don't agree with them, you know.

1062
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.360
And I think that's important and not have to call

1063
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:51.800
them on you know, satan this specifically. But in this case,

1064
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.360
we've got some interesting stories.

1065
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:58.480
We get this in the past, who who called themselves

1066
00:55:58.519 --> 00:55:59.800
Satanists will put it that way.

1067
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.519
Yeah, well, I I mean, y'all have really interesting backstories too,

1068
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.519
and so I love that there's so much variety and

1069
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.360
like what you what you bring to the table, and

1070
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.800
that that definitely I appreciated hearing. I appreciated hearing that.

1071
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:16.280
But yeah, I just everybody just be curious and be

1072
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:18.440
open minded and learn as much as you can and

1073
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.280
practice as much as you can. And because I don't know,

1074
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.519
I just figure, like what do we have to lose,

1075
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.800
you know, just half fun for sure.

1076
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.679
Well, we're gonna go ahead and let you go here

1077
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.320
from now, so to stay on the line with us

1078
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.199
while we close. Go, But just thank you again so

1079
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.119
much for joining us. It's been a blast.

1080
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:38.880
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It was

1081
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:39.800
lovely to chat with you.

1082
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:42.840
Well, and real quick, where can everybody find y'all?

1083
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.800
Oh that that old thing. So my website is sterlingmoon

1084
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:53.159
Taro dot com and just go to Sterling Moontaro dot

1085
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.679
com and you'll find all my social social media links

1086
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:57.840
and all the all everything is housed there.

1087
00:56:58.639 --> 00:56:59.119
Sounds good.

1088
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:00.960
All right, thank you so much.

1089
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.679
All right, everybody, Well, now that we're here at the

1090
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.760
end of the show. I think we're warding Willie out

1091
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.960
of time there, so so until next week you'll find us,

1092
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:13.599
same time, same channel.

1093
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.840
My name is Eric and I'm justin peace.
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Sterling Moon

Sterling Moon (she/her) is a full-time, heels-on-the-ground, tarot reader, psychic medium, folk magician, animal communicator, published author, podcaster, and an educator on the mystical and strange.

She is the author of Talking to Spirits: A Modern Medium’s Practical Advice for Spirit Communication (2023) and Llewellyn’s Little Book of Spirit Communication (2025), published by Llewelyn Books. She has several self-published works and more formal titles on the way.

Sterling has been working with clients and teaching professionally since 2013. She started a school called the Sterling Moon Divination Academy in 2021 and offers classes around the country.

Sterling also spent 20 years as a professional advocate for victims and survivors of crime in Wyoming, Minnesota, and Colorado, and holds a Masters Degree in Advocacy and Political Leadership.