Aug. 31, 2025

The Truth About Trauma w/Lisa Collins

The Truth About Trauma w/Lisa Collins
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In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Erik & Justin sit down with author, coach, and trauma practitioner Lisa Y. Collins to discuss her book, The Truth About Trauma: Break Patterns, Build Resilience, and Restore Joy. Lisa shares her insights on what trauma really is, how it impacts our lives in unexpected ways, and the simple steps we can take to begin healing. From breaking free of old patterns to restoring a sense of peace and joy, this conversation offers guidance and hope for anyone seeking resilience and renewal.

Bio: Lisa Y. Collins is a respected healing leader, life coach, STAR Trauma Practitioner, author, and assistant professor. Her studies focus on healing through a personal analysis of trauma.

Lisa’s consulting spans nonprofit and for-profit organizations, including local educational systems, the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology, The Shift Network, and the Center for Justice and Peace Building. 
Her first book, Love of Light: A Guide to Peace and Oneness, guides consciousness, boosts self-awareness and provides tools for living in peace, and her podcast, Love and Light Living Every Day in Peace, focuses on positive examples of healing practices in the world.
As a playwright, she has had works produced in New York and Portland, and her acclaimed short film, Be Careful What You Ask For, serves as a platform for racial healing discussions and has been accepted into several film festivals. Her engaging TEDx Talk, “Healing From Racial Trauma,” also chronicles the healing modalities that resulted for herself and others from her research.

Lisa uses her spiritual gifts as an intuitive, spiritual writer and playwright to provide healing and openness that acknowledges the intersectionality of humankind. In addition, she uses her life coach and spirituality skills to give acceptance and space for connectedness and oneness in a world that needs it so much.

Find out more about Lisa's work at: https://www.lisaycollins.com/

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/paratruth-reborn--6273542/support.

Thanks for listening!

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Welcome, well, well do para Truth Truth, What's up everybody,

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and welcome back to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn.

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This is a pre recorded show on WINNO seven point

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actually got this dipo either way, it's on a coast,

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and of course the United Public Radio Network.

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My name is there and I'm Justin. And look who's

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trying to give Justin crap for the script when he's

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just now coming back to the show.

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Just saying I'm just saying that. That threw me for

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a moment reading that, like, wait a minute, I didn't

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All right.

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I'll change it right now. I am mister scribac.

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Man.

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I leave for just a few weeks and everything goes

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to hell. Anyway, folks, I am glad to be back.

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I've been missing you guys, so I'm happy to be here.

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But today we do have a guest. We are going

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to be talking with Lisa Collins about her book, The

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Truth About Trauma. Lisa is a trauma practitioner, life coach,

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and author whose work centers on healing and resilience. She

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also hosts the Love and Light podcast and has shared

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her insights through theater, film and her ted ex talk

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Healing from Bradock from racial trauma.

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Do not Disturb, Lisa, Welcome to Para Truth, We Reborn.

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How's it going tonight?

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Pretty good? Pretty good? Nice and calm?

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Yeah, awesome, So we got you on. Our show is

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absolutely one hundred percent of paranormal show, but we kind

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of tie this into you can have trauma from hauntings

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and stuff like that, but also the way the world

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is right now, so we wanted to have you on.

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Eric and I have gone through some major trauma this year,

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and we can maybe get into that a little bit.

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But what inspired you to write this book?

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Great question, Justin I wrote this book because I was actively,

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actively healing from trauma myself, and I didn't believe in

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any of the modalities that are in the book. I

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just thought that's a bunch of hogwash. And I'm that

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kind of person, and everything in there I have used

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to heal my own trauma, generational trauma, psychic trauma, family systems.

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So yeah, I wrote it to share with other people.

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Okay, Well that was there. You just said there are

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a couple of different reasons why you wrote it, But

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is there anything particular, particularly personal in terms of your

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experiences that really just kind of hit the head of

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the nail that you said, this is the reason why

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I have to do this specifically.

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Yeah, what floored me and kind of took my feet

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from under me is experiencing discrimination at work. And my

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grandfather was a sharecropper who worked until he had his

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own land, and I in you know, I was born

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in sixty five. I kind of thought I'm over it,

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and I thought that I wouldn't have to experience some

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of the extreme things I experienced. And what I end

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up doing is I end up studying those things for

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my doctorate and wrote a healing modality for that. And

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what I found in my work is that to heal

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any kind of other trauma, racial trauma, gender trauma, any

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kind of other thing, I needed to go and heal

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the foundation of all of it.

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Yeah.

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So, how does your work differ from like other trauma

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and healing workers or even other books that have been written.

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Yeah, I know. My book is written from things I've done,

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and many experts out there that talk about trauma from

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a psychological point of view or mental health point of

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view are stating things that are best practice. And you know,

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even the Oprah and Bruce Perry book or they have

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stories this is like, this is what I've experienced, this

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is how I thought it wasn't real, this is how

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I actually healed it.

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Okay, we know what that said. Like, who did you

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really write the book for? Is it for survivors, clinicians,

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family members, a mixed number of people, and how is

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it supposed to I guess is it supposed to help

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them through are their various techniques to help them through

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the trauma or is it more of like showing people

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that they're not alone?

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Great question. This book is for anyone like myself who

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feels like whether you've experienced something extreme because of what

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the trauma is, is your body telling you that there's

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a danger and that could be from watching the news, honestly,

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and so if your body is feeling like it needs

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to protect you from a danger or seemingly a danger,

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that's a trauma response. And a person like me who

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felt like, well, I don't think I have enough things

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to go to therapy or to do rapid eye movement.

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I just like it's Okay, just shrug it off like

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it's not a big deal. Right, Those people, which I

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think is just everyone and our society has something that

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if you asked them about it today, it would needle

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them a little bit. And that's what the book. That's

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who the book is for.

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Okay, it's pretty fair. Like the one thing I noticed

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is a lot of people, myself included, you experience something

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something that's hurtful, and instead of just letting it go

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and releasing it and learning to work with it, you

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push it down. And the more you push this thing down,

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the more it develops, and eventually it becomes a trauma

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that you don't you're not even aware of until it's

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too late, and then you're spiraling. So I think it's

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pretty pretty fantastic that you have a book to help

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people like that.

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Thanks, you know, who doesn't want to just stay in it?

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And our bodies, what interpersonal neurobiology tells us about our

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body is that our bodies are magnificent. They protect us.

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They kind of hide these things into a neuronet and

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the protector kind of stands outside of it. If something

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comes close to it. That's that knee jerk reaction like

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get your hands off me, and like I told someone like,

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don't ever touch me. I'm like, well they were they

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weren't harming me, but I don't remember anything, but my

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body sure does my body remember someone touching me like

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that when I couldn't answer back, And now I'm like,

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I'm going to answer back. And so for us to

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understand that, I don't think it's normalized anywhere that we

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talk about things like that.

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Oh yeah, I mean even in like the paranormal community.

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The paranormal has was taboo when we were younger. It's

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a little more open now, but it's still a taboo

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topic that most don't talk about because it's you don't

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talk about that stuff quote unquote. So it's fascinating that

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trauma is kind of the same.

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Way absolutely like the paranormal. Like you know when people,

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you know, when I talk to people, I say, you know,

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there's only one world. There's not like the spirit world,

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and in this world, it's all one world. Then you

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could accept it or not accept it. But I would

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think that you can acknowledge what's there, like our minds

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have been crusted over not to and if we think

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about you know, the Martin Luther time why did those

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things happen. They happened because they said, that's not part

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of the church anymore, Like you know, that's wrong. And

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then you know, here we are today with a show

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like yours that's saying, hey, we want to know more,

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we want to know the history, we want to explore,

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we want to talk about something that could actually be

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a help to us or harm to us.

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And you consider, like how much division there is just

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in the world in general, But then you bring things

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like this to you know, justin I being in this

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field trying to talk about trauma or helping people. Majority

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of people don't relate to us because we do come

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from a more supernatural background, in many cases a spiritual background,

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whereas people who are very spiritual, they tend to connect

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with us better and they able to help them in

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ways that maybe those who are not spiritual cannot. You know,

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we see this constant kind of a wall up between individuals,

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and I think what's really important is just as science

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and the paranormal were once one and the same and

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work together or both say science and religion, for example,

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that's something we need to come back to. We need

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to find a common ground and start to work with

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people on people level, on human.

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Levels, absolutely, I absolutely agree. My first book was Love

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and Light, a Guide to Peace and Oneness, and it

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was about like spirituality, like people seeking and how do

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you seek? And humanity is is like that is the thing?

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I mean, you're naming the thing and what are the

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things that stand between us and each other and stand

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between us and all there is? And I think that's

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where we're at in our society today. And some people

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don't want to hear that, but I always ask people,

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do you want to be free?

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Yeah?

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Now we all react to things differently, medication, emotions, even trauma.

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In your words, what is trauma and what is like

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how might one person from next look different when when

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they're traumatized?

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Yeah? Absolutely. Trauma is our body's response to protect us

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and from seemingly something that's a threat or not a threat.

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It could be a sound, it could be a gesture,

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it could be it could It can respond in laughter,

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it can respond in fear. And what we talk about

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in the field is like flock, fond, freeze and flock

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and fight. Of course flight, So you either run away,

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you know, I've experienced all of them. Either you want

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to fight, like Okay, I'm not standing for this. We're

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going to fight about it. Either you try to curry

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favor fawning with whatever you think the threat is, or

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I need to be in a group or a number

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of people flock like there's just power and numbers. And

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then it could also manifest itself in other ways that

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are seemingly under the surface, like deep belief systems, like

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when people talk about there's lots of coaching and stuff

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out there now, but the deep belief system, where did

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that come from? That you know I'm worthless or I'm nothing.

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Right well, now, knowing what trauma is and how you

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define it, what are some common or maybe the largest

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misconceptions that people have about trauma.

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Yeah, I think one of the largest misconceptions is that

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it has to be something big. That was one of

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my misconceptions. It has to be a house fire, it

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has to be a loss of a kid or a parent,

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has to be a bad accident. But actually it could

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be spilling coffee on yourself on your way, or it

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could be something very small. And something small can can

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fall into a trauma response if something bigger, if your

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body is still remembering it years later, if you still

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have that gut punch or that twinge, you get that

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email from that person you don't want to hear from, like, oh,

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that's a traumal response.

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Okay.

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Now, something you mentioned a little bit earlier was generational trauma,

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racial trauma. How does one go about recognizing that's what

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you're going on through other than like physical or emotional trauma?

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And how do you fix those things?

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Right? Well, we had a long road ahead of us,

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don't we just.

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Wow?

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Well, I can you know, share my own experience is

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that you know, these traumas show up, you know. I

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what I talk about in the book is like Grandma

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hides money everywhere. You know, Grandma lived in the Great Depression.

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So now I think that I need to hide money

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or I need to you know, hoard money. So sometimes

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that I talk about in the book is how do

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things show up to you that are not right sized? Right?

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So one thing, for example is in my family all

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have deep freezers. And when I'm married, I said, we

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need a deep freezer, and my spell said, why we

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have two refrigerators. I don't know why we need a

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deep freezer, And I said, because we need to put

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food in it. We cannot eat that much food, and

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a deep freezer? And then I realized everyone in my

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family had a deep freezer on my mom's side and

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they grew up on a farm with ten kids. And

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can put that.

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no type of thing. There's plenty of things that I

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still do that, but you know, I grew up with that.

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My parents said, and I'm the same way, like I

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should have this, and you have that. And then I realized, wait,

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but that's not me. I wouldn't normally have that particular

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item or you know whatever, but because everyone else had it,

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I should have it too. It should keep it like

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a tradition, even though it's not necessary.

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bit of like why is this? Is this? Why is

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this in my body? So when we talk about generational

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trauma and we talk about epigenetics and stuff like that,

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there's things in our bodies how we think and how

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we look at things that may have been passed down.

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of you know, the Indigenous people being in the United

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States first all actually all over the world. It's not

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a United States problem. I mean, there's colorism, there's casts

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and so. And for me as a black woman in

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the United States, like sometimes I find myself bristling over

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things that I've just been indoctrinated by the media. And

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for me to just like be curious is what I

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say in the book. Be curious about things that seem

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a little off and be willing and the universe kind

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of opens those things up for you to heal them.

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Okay, And you know, you bring up racism racial trauma,

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And I have been saying this for a very long time.

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We're all one race. We're the human race. We just

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all come from different ethnic backgrounds. So for that word

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to even still be around is the most ridiculous thing

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I've ever heard, just because I grew up accepting everybody.

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Our grandfather taught us to accept everybody. It doesn't matter

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what color skin you have, what color hair you have,

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if your eyes are blue or brown like. So, I mean, yes,

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we have to heal from all this trauma that has

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been done prior to us existing, but we need to

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eliminate that word completely out of our vocabulary. To even

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come close to healing that trauma too.

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I would like that very very much. And one of

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the you know things that happened when I did write

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my dissertation is I wrote a healing a healing model,

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and the healing model is about like when you're not okay, Eric,

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I'm not okay, like when I you know, like that

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is who I am. And the more that we are

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all like that, then I think that humanity can show up.

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But we're not right because we have institutions in place,

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and we have oppressive practices in place that separate us.

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my brother suffers, I suffer, then we are so much

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closer to the to the ball absolutely.

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And you know, I feel like people just with our

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modern civilization, you know, we have phones that we're just

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constantly staring into, around computer, social media, everything else, people

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become so disregarded to the space around them and the

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people around them. They put up these walls that maybe

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they don't even mean to. You know, we should all

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be empathetic towards them one another, be sympathetic toward one

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another as well. But time and time, and I'll admit

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I'm guilty of this at times where someone's having a

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bad day and I'm like, oh, I don't want to

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deal with that, Like I've already had my own troubles,

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and that's not always a good thing. Like they might

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need our help, and likewise we may need them, you know, someday,

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you know. And it's just one of those things where

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I think it isn't easy. Obviously it isn't easy, you know,

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never be easy, but everyone has to take the opportunities

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to bring down their walls, open their minds and their

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hearts to the individuals around them. Because helping someone else,

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in my own personal experience, this is a very much,

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very much similar way to helping myself. Like I help someone,

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I kind of help myself. I lose my own you know,

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morale if you will feel better, And it's like I'm

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not just going out helping people to make myself feel better.

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But it's like that that common ground. It's like you

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lower yourself a little bit and suddenly you're standing on

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the same ground as somebody else and they're lifted, you're lifted,

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and you move on together, you know. But it's sad

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that we have so many people with so many walls

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up and who are just so disengaged with civilization and

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the societies that you know, this has to be a conversation.

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Right, And I think that we're probably doing better than

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we think we are, but we're so isolated, Like, I

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don't know you, gentlemen, I'm just meeting you. I'm grateful

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for the opportunity to meet you. And there's probably lots

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of people who are isolated from people, from like people.

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city that we have a community of support where people

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can come and be with other people and be accepted

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and be heard. And we really need that.

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Right one hundred percent.

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Yeah, Now, in your own words, you've kind of touched

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on it a little bit, But in your own words,

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why is it important to normalize conversations about trauma?

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I think, you know, we I'm like myself. I thought

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it was just my experience. So when I went to

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learn about you know, I accidentally learned about it. I

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don't think it was an accident. And I learned that

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my body is responding and that my breathing gets shallow.

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I just said, that's not true. Until my breathing was shallow,

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and I had to tell myself to breathe. I think

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right now, especially right now, that we all need to

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like center and ground and know who we are. And

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part of who are not is whatever trauma we've experienced

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either generationally in our community. We're not that. And I

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think right now we're really spinning and thinking that we

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are that.

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I would love if we could as a people just

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put some of these backpacks down and lean in together.

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So I think it's like vital in any healing to

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like get to the core and said, hey, that thing

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that happened to me when I was five, I'm going

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to heal that. I'm gonna, you know, work through it.

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I may even do forgiveness. I'm going to work on

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my energy. I'm going to make sure my boundaries are clear.

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And I would love to just like lean in and

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maybe pull somebody else up and struggling.

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Right, Okay, Well, you know, and like one of my

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favorite things to do is a little something known as

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shadow work, and it's basically, you know, finding questions or

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asking questions about your past and answering them very honestly

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just to yourself in a journal. And I've learned so

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much about myself and my own personal traumas that do

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get triggered on a regular basis. You know, somethings I

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didn't even know about until the question arose and I

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was like, oh, I remember this time, you know, And

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it's It's something that I was trying to encourage people

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to do because I think it's very important, especially if

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you know, I get it, and everyone is interested in

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going to a therapist and sharing their lives of somebody else.

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You know that. I understand that I'm one of those.

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I don't like it. I've done it many many years

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and it doesn't work for me very well. But when

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I'm writing in the journal and I'm teaching myself and

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showing myself the truth, well, now I'm able to take

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steps to better myself and to fix those traumatic you know,

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those traumatic things that happened. So yeah, I'm a huge

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advocate of journaling. I think that's really for any of

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you listening, everyone listening. If you don't already do shadow

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work or journal, you should definitely do that because I

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think it's highly beneficial for your growth.

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I agree with you, Eric one hundred percent. And actually

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the book is kind of set up as a journal

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where in shadow work is in it I learned that

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in conscious Freedom life coaching I'm a life coach as well,

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is that I was shocked at what was in the shadow.

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And there's actually an exercise in there called the thinking

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Map that just gives you, step by step, something that's

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bothering you today, and you can just go through the

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there's throwly three steps to get to the shadow. And

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go through those three steps, you know what's going on,

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How do you feel and how what is the deep

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belief about yourself right? And then is there anything that

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happened in your past that you can remember that would

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have you to believe that? And that I can't tell

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you what that did to me, Like I was shocked, Like, oh,

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it's about that.

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You know. It's crazy because you learn these things and

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sometimes it's not easy, like sometimes there's only these things

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and it's hard to get through and it takes It's

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not like you write this journal and then boom, you're

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done in an hour session Like this is things that

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you have to unpack sometimes days, weeks, months, years, depending

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on how deep it goes. But every step is a

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step forward, or at least it should be. And I

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think that's one of the things I like most about it,

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because you can't fix something unless you know about it first,

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and even though it might hurt to know, it is

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very beneficial.

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In forward, Yes, I felt like I wasn't alone, and

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I feel like I'm not alone period because I have

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guides that'd work with me. But that The Truth about

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Trauma book is like a journal that you just tag

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ear mark highlight, just kind of like go through it,

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and you know in the back or the tools behind

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every chapter self care tools, affirmations, meditations, and then in

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the back of the book you can see like where

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is that thing, where is that shop or healing? Where

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is that root work? And so I feel like it's

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made for a person like me who doesn't believe in

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anything and who questions everything.

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Okay, Yeah, now I mentioned earlier that Eric and I

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have both gone through some pretty bad trauma this year,

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one of which being we both lost pets very dramatically,

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eric more recently than I have of But what are

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some of the first steps someone can take to start

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realizing that they're experiencing trauma?

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Yeah, I'm so sorry to hear. Like pets have been

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a theme this week, and as a spiritual medium, I

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can you say the names of the pets that you've.

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Lost, Foxy and Salem.

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Okay, yeah, okay, those are the two names.

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Sorry, Fox his dog, Salem is my cat.

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Well, thank you so much for sharing that with me.

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I'm really sorry for your loss. I think the first

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thing when people or animals cross over, they're not gone.

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They're still there. Like I don't know if you've heard

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them or if you've felt them, but I I know

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that that part with you two will be a little

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easier to talk about, is that they're not in this realm,

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but they're still present, right, And the other part is

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to continue to have contact with them, like I'm talking now,

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not as a trauma practitioner, but as a spiritual medium

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to you know, still talk to them, still write to them,

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you know, and eventually you will be getting messages from them,

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you know. I know that, you know, we had a

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beloved cat who I can fill jump on the bed sometimes,

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like all of a sudden, there's like that very distinctive

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cat jump on the bed and nothing else is there

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that you can see. And I think those things are

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part of it. And then the other part of it

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is to allowing yourself to actually grieve but not fall

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into the grief and then to work on some kind

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of healing or moralization. And you'll see that in the

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book too, like memoralization of your pets, Like how do

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you want to memorialize them? Because that's a big part

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of the grief process and the trauma healing process. And

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then you move into that acceptance later. But I think

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when you have contact with the spirit world, then you

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have like the beautiful chance of uh you know, having

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a reading and talking to them or feeling them in

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your house or feeling next to your leg. I came

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in this room the other day and heard the biggest MEU.

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It was so loud, and I thought that I said,

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there is a cat app here, and my spouse was like, no, no,

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and I said, well, someone was here. I mean it

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was loud, very very loud. And I was like, okay, okay,

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someone is here, and so you know, don't discount those things.

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Okay, thank you, You're welcome.

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I hope they come. If they come, I'll tell you

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they may.

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Sorry, I kind of lost my spot here. We have

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like a list of notes that we follow to help

467
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.200
guide us. We used to be really bad at keeping

468
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.359
our heads straight in the middle of conversations. Wait, where

469
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.039
were we going with this? I had another question? I

470
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:34.039
can't remember it, but uh, oh goodness, I'm sorry.

471
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.599
Apologize number twelve If that helps her?

472
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:45.640
Oh that does help? Thank you? H So how would

473
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you how or asould you say? What role? I guess

474
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.960
does community, therapy and self care really play in the

475
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.519
healing process? Because I know, like myself, when I become depressed,

476
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.480
when I'm especially like with my cat passing away last week,

477
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.839
it wasn't unexpected, but it was way sooner than I

478
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.160
did expect it. And when I'm depressed, I can't eat,

479
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.440
I can't sleep, I can't I really can't do anything.

480
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.559
I can't bring myself to do anything. But I know

481
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.480
it's important to take care of ourselves, to take the

482
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.240
time to get outside, to get in the sun. But

483
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.359
what are some other ways? In what roles do these

484
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.759
type of things? Is self care or therapy or community

485
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.359
really play in healing overall?

486
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.920
Yeah? I you know, what I believe is that there

487
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.440
is a time and place for everything, and part of

488
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.839
it is like allowing yourself to like listening to your

489
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.440
body of what your body is saying it needs. And

490
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.400
we know what I know is when grief happens for me,

491
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.160
or when I am turning, I call it turning the

492
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.599
screws inward, where I'm just like really shutting down and

493
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.200
getting into that into that hovel, into that cave that

494
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.880
I can't stay in there. And one thing that always

495
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:00.920
reboots me as there's a couple of things that I

496
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.319
keep in mind. I call it my toolkit. So find

497
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.079
out what's in your toolkit. One of mine is music.

498
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.000
Music brings a lot of joy and can just change

499
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:16.880
your attitude and your feelings right away. Not sad music

500
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:23.119
that time, but listening to music that kind of brings

501
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.960
you joy. The other thing is going outside, putting your

502
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.200
feet on the earth is a good way to kind

503
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:36.119
of ground and make sure to you know, ask the

504
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.920
earth to take away the things that you no longer

505
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.160
need and fill you with the energy that you do need.

506
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.279
You'll fill that energy just come right up through your crown.

507
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And another thing being in nature of course. And another

508
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.000
thing is like to make sure that your bound your

509
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.839
energetic boundaries are really really clear and tight and you know,

510
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:04.039
and shockwra clear. Working on those chakras if this root

511
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.440
chakra or whatever chakra's blocked. And in the book we

512
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.480
talk about I talk about that like looking at those

513
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.519
chakra those are energy centers to make sure they're clear.

514
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.680
Is another way to just to help breathe in a

515
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.079
little light, just to catch your breath a little bit.

516
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:29.079
And then of course breath work is really really just

517
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:34.200
it just sues and just takes care of you. Those

518
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:34.680
are a few.

519
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:43.720
Now we do this all the time just because we're

520
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.640
taught to deal with trauma a certain way. But how

521
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.319
can friends and family best support a loved one going

522
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:50.160
through trauma?

523
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:57.200
Yeah, you know, recognizing that it's trauma. That's another reason

524
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.559
for like Eric had mentioned, community and is like is

525
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.640
recognizing when someone is in a trauma field, right, And

526
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.759
when someone falls into a trauma field, they typically may

527
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.759
be saying the same thing over and over again. They

528
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.440
may tell you the same story over and over again.

529
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.359
I call it scripts, and that means that they're in

530
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.759
a trauma field. So trying to explain to them at

531
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.279
that time or trying to reason with them to know

532
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.119
this is what's really happening, is not really helpful. To

533
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.440
recognize when someone's in trauma field and to co regulate

534
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.000
with them, So that's being in the space with them

535
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.200
that's being close to their body but not necessarily touching

536
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.839
their body. And one thing you could do is attunement

537
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.480
is ask them, you know what's happening for them, and

538
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.519
where do they feel it in their body, having them

539
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.039
put their hands on that place that they feel that,

540
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.359
and then you mirror and also put your hand in

541
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.799
that same place. And this particular activity, I did not

542
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.319
believe it was going to work, and it did one

543
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:09.400
more time I was proven wrong. And that attainment is

544
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:15.039
a really it's a soft gaze. It's nodding. It's not dismissing.

545
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.079
Even if they're saying something that doesn't make sense, it

546
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.920
does not to dismiss it. We do that a lot.

547
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.119
Is we dismiss just not and be there and you

548
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:29.640
will watch the shift with them.

549
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.119
Well now is also going off of that, like in

550
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.640
your research and experience, what approaches the healing tend to

551
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.599
be most effective long term?

552
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.680
Yeah? I think long term is is actually for people

553
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.559
to like not do the like band aid thing, like

554
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.160
you know, put a band aid on, I feel so

555
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.799
much better. I'm done. And like you had said, Eric,

556
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:59.279
it's like it is a depending on what you're experiencing

557
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.960
or what you're doing dealing with It's not like a

558
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.599
one time like I'm going to do it and I'm

559
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.319
going to be free and it's going to be over.

560
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.119
It's that maintenance step of In the book, I talk

561
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.840
about the body, the mind, the spirit. So paying attention

562
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.400
to your body, getting to know your body really well,

563
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.679
having a relationship with your body, and then looking at

564
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.679
your mind patterns, what are you thinking, what is your

565
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.039
garbage coming in that you're paying attention to negative thoughts

566
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:31.400
that you're romancing, and then how to change those thought

567
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.480
patterns to be more healthy thought patterns. I used to think, Oh,

568
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.239
everybody thinks like this, this is like this running diatribe

569
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.880
that's in my head. Is that's what everyone's having? But no,

570
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.199
not really no, And now my head is peaceful, it

571
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.159
is quiet. And then your spirit, then your joy, like

572
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.199
what are the things that bring you joy? And those

573
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:56.440
three things are the cycle of longevity in my experience.

574
00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:02.480
Okay talked about how writing this book has impacted your

575
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.039
own life and your own healing journey. But did you

576
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:10.159
learn anything surprising about yourself while writing the book?

577
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:12.280
Uh?

578
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.159
I think the hardest part for me was writing the

579
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.400
family systems. Like in the back of the book. I

580
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:25.760
touch on a few things in the last chapter family systems, gender, race,

581
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:31.679
sexual identity, and the family systems part. I just remember,

582
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:33.880
just as I was starting to write it, I just

583
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.880
start and during throughout the book, I share experiences from

584
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.800
my family, and it was just hard. It's hard. It's

585
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:47.719
hard to acknowledge the truth. It's not like you're going

586
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.119
over to mom, dad or grandma and saying, hey, remember

587
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.760
we did this thing that was horrible. It's me acknowledging

588
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:59.320
the truth and me healing it within myself. And I

589
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.519
just want to pull the blinds down of unfortunate experiences

590
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.559
or things that I did not like or enjoy that

591
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.920
harm me, and me being honest with myself and saying okay,

592
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.840
and me being honest with myself for you the reader,

593
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:19.159
so that you can say it's okay to say this

594
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.360
stuff happened. It's just about healing it for yourself and

595
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.960
moving on, not about going back and you know, holding

596
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.760
court with other people. I think that part, that part

597
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.559
made me pause for a minute, and I and I

598
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:34.880
got the nudge like, yeah, you're gonna write it. You're

599
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.639
gonna write this down. It's gonna help people.

600
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.639
Yeah, Well, I think that that's it's really hard because

601
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.280
as people, we we want to hear the apologies from

602
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.599
individuals who've heard us. And so often it's in my

603
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.199
own experience, I want to say often, but in my

604
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.400
experience I've had there's been things that happen where I

605
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.159
try to bring it up to someone who's hurt me

606
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.800
and try to show them where they wronged me, and

607
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.960
they never see it. They can't see it, they don't

608
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.599
think they did anything wrong, and in that case, you

609
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:05.000
never get the apology, and so it's hard to find

610
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.239
the closure and the healing. But yeah, as you said,

611
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.800
you know, it is something which I'm still learning that

612
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.840
you have to do is just like internalize it, understand

613
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:19.039
it yourself, and then forgive it without hearing the apology,

614
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.079
because you simply come, you know, you just can't move

615
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:23.320
on Otherwise.

616
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.360
Yeah, it just lives with you. And I didn't want

617
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:29.079
it to live with me, so I had to humble

618
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.599
myself too, you know. I talk about it in the

619
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.400
book also like a forgiveness protocol, and the forgiveness was

620
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.159
for me to be free, and so I looked at what,

621
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.440
you know, what they did, and then I also looked

622
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.079
at how I was holding a resentment against them and

623
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.400
I and you know I did all of this in

624
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.559
writing as a writer. I may on my journal right here.

625
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.199
I mean I asked myself, I asked for forgiveness for myself,

626
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.880
and then I said, and I forgive you for these things.

627
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.800
And I'm asking forgiveness for me with these things because

628
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.480
I want to be free. I want to be free

629
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.719
and I can help other people if I'm holding on

630
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:17.960
this stuff, so I'm a conduit for healing. I have

631
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.559
to let it go.

632
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.360
And I will say, I want to add for our listeners.

633
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.199
Sometimes it's not easy to just let something go mentally.

634
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.519
Sometimes you need a physical thing to let go of,

635
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.519
something you can see. And so that's where like cord

636
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.639
cutting or burning of paper comes. If you write these

637
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.159
things down, you forgive and you forget. You like that

638
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:42.199
little sheet of paper on fire and let it burn away.

639
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.599
And that's just the manifestation in your own, you know,

640
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.320
your own life, of that disappearing and letting it go.

641
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.320
And I think that's for me that works really well.

642
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:54.840
I'm a very visual person, you know, sometimes internally, especially

643
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.119
since I so I have obsessive compulsive disorder, and so

644
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.760
I constantly have an onslaught intrusive negative thoughts, and it's

645
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.519
hard for me to get past those at times. So

646
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.400
whenever I try to think something positive, something negative is

647
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.559
like nope, get out of here, you know. So having

648
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.840
those physical elements to try to help me navigate and

649
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:22.920
help me to really imagine and see myself letting go

650
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:25.719
something is important. And so for those of you out

651
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.199
there listening, I think if you struggle like I do,

652
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.840
that is those are two very strong options. There's a

653
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.480
number of ways to do it. But does it always

654
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:33.920
worked for me?

655
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.119
Absolutely? And I have done both both of those actually,

656
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.199
and so yeah, I totally agree with you Eric. If

657
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.440
you're out there and there's no like, you do it.

658
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.440
It's not like school. You do it and oh you

659
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.360
got an a. It's like, really, the heart of the

660
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:56.360
work is your intention and walking and do what feels

661
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.000
good to you. Like any of these things are suggestions,

662
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.440
but whatever feels right for you, do it. And you know,

663
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.000
I've also worked on the intrusive thoughts, Like I worked

664
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.559
with a healer and it was like lifetimes and lifetimes

665
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.880
ago of working through you know, I was like, but

666
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:16.920
I was so grateful there was someone that you know,

667
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.199
was was could hear me and help me?

668
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:30.039
Now, what societal changes do we have to do in

669
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.599
your opinion to better support trauma survivors.

670
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.880
I think we're all trauma survivors, So I think the

671
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.079
better support all of us is that we need to

672
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.079
we if we could have places like your podcast, I'm

673
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.199
going to start a podcasting the Truth about Trauma, places

674
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.519
where people can get information and then eventually start to gather,

675
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:00.239
like either we're gathering online, and I think for us

676
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.039
to be able to recognize when someone is acting in,

677
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:09.840
that's depression workholism, that's the shock that happens when a

678
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.639
trauma happens. You're either acting in or acting out. And

679
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:20.280
seeing how people can go from one recognizing trauma responses

680
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:23.760
is the second one is how are we as a

681
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.280
community going to gather to support each other? How are

682
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.039
we going to bring our nervous systems together, whether that's

683
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.920
online or in a space. You know, people used to

684
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.119
go to church. They don't really go to church anymore.

685
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.119
Love and Light talks about that we really need to

686
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.559
gather in our homes or however we need to do it,

687
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.000
like people to gather. This is a call to action

688
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.039
for us that are isolated out there to come together.

689
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.000
I think that's one big one. And then to have

690
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.199
a relationship with your body. When your body is telling

691
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.239
you something is too much to soon just stop and

692
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.159
pause for a second. And we have this go go

693
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.480
go society that makes us take on a million different

694
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.000
things as we're doing media posts as we're and I

695
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:12.800
just like I have to say to myself, like, this

696
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.559
is great abundance, but I need to slow down. My

697
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.119
body is saying slow down. This relationship with our body

698
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.880
is vital, and then our mind and our spirit will connect.

699
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.000
And so I would love, like it is my intention

700
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.119
to see places like that in every city and to

701
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.719
have people gathering to practice being together so that we

702
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.880
as a community and society can heald Well.

703
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:41.400
I kind of want to spin off of that and

704
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:46.840
ask you for those people or anybody who maybe doesn't

705
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.079
understand or doesn't know how to have a relationship with

706
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.119
the body to understand where it's trying to tell them,

707
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.559
what are some uh, some things that you can do

708
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.719
to help yourself to help you better understand what you're

709
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.719
by you.

710
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.079
No, absolutely that would be me, the person who did

711
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.440
not know on an a a relationship with their body

712
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.199
I think the first thing I started was trying to

713
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.199
quiet my body, trying to quiet my mind. I did

714
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.000
like a walking meditation. So people's like, oh, just meditate,

715
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.000
and I'm like, the first thing I did was I

716
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.880
would walk and I would either listen to a book

717
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.079
or listen to something, and I would try to just

718
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.320
clear my mind. I would just so that the thoughts

719
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.599
were not just running, running, running through my head, either

720
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.760
listening to music or listening to a book on tape,

721
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.599
and finding a way to bring that body piece and

722
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.559
to ask parts of your body to relax, ask the

723
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.760
top of your head to relax, like to sit quiet,

724
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.079
even for a minute. And you know, the back of

725
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.400
the book, every chapter has a meditation. Meditations could be

726
00:43:53.679 --> 00:44:00.000
anything that feeds you, anything that feeds you and quiets you.

727
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.599
And after a while you will start to get body

728
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.159
sensations like you like sometimes, like when I talk about

729
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:10.480
the email, the body sensation of like oh it's Joe again.

730
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.840
Like those body sensations you want to start to pay

731
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.119
attention to. I learned to ignore them, Like when you're

732
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:19.800
hungry or you got to pee, You're like, oh, I

733
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.880
don't want to go right now, Like those are body sensations.

734
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.800
So start paying attention to body sensations and pausing with that, Oh,

735
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.679
I'm hungry right now. And I've even got to the

736
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.960
point where I got it from the dinner table when

737
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.000
I was hungry and I was like, oh, why is

738
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:39.079
my stomach growling right now? That's when I realized, Oh,

739
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.599
my body has learned to eat food for comfort. So

740
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.920
I was having a hard time and my body wanted

741
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.360
something to eat, I just ate. So I taught my

742
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:50.719
body how not to do that. Like, we're not going

743
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:55.000
to eat again. But listening to those body sensations is

744
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.360
the first first step. Okay, I'm quieting the mind. It's

745
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:01.199
your body.

746
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.679
Now. If there's anything that someone can take from reading

747
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.920
the truth about trauma, in your opinion, what would you

748
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:11.840
want them to take from it?

749
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.119
I would want them to take that everyone can live

750
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.960
in peace, so you don't have to struggle and you

751
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.679
don't have to suffer, regardless of what has happened to you.

752
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:26.760
Like you may need additional help, but all of us

753
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:31.960
who are have lived with childhood trauma, who have lived

754
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:39.039
with losing people or animals, you can live at peace.

755
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.400
You can have a peaceful life, You can heal.

756
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.960
Is that would you say that? That is kind of like,

757
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.039
if you have the opportunity, that's the message you would

758
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:59.280
want someone who's currently suffering listening to this show right

759
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.920
now to take away, or there's something more you'd maybe

760
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:03.559
add to that.

761
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.320
I would want them to take away that there is hope,

762
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:14.639
and then I'm an example of hope. I've lived through

763
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:18.559
a lot of stuff and I have a good life today.

764
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.800
I feel free. I want them to think that the

765
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:27.800
people care about them and love them, and that there's hope.

766
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:36.239
Now, that's something we're lacking these days, is hope, Not

767
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:41.360
that there isn't any just feeling that hope. So I,

768
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:47.079
as someone who is working through a lot of things myself,

769
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:55.440
it's something to definitely grasp for sure. Now, there's obviously

770
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.719
your book as a resource for people going through this

771
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:07.400
healing journey. Is there any other resources you would recommend? Books, practices, communities, podcasts, even.

772
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.480
Yeah. I think one of the kind of the primer

773
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.559
books that I mentioned in my book is There Is

774
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:18.400
Nothing Wrong with You by Sherry Hubert, and it is

775
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:22.320
a good book to start with because it works on

776
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:26.119
the thinking in the mind of you know. She starts

777
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:30.199
with there has to be something wrong with me or

778
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.000
else people wouldn't treat me this way. And it's an easy,

779
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.960
easy read as kind of written like a comic book,

780
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.639
and I think that is an excellent place to start.

781
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.079
The other place that I got my beginning is with

782
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.400
the Center for Justice and Peace Building and the Strategies

783
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:57.559
for Trauma Awareness and Resilience, which was founded after nine

784
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.239
to eleven as a way of healing. And that model

785
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:04.119
is the model that I that I put my racial

786
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.800
experience on top. And it's very very clear. You can

787
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.400
go to Eastern Minnonit University Center for Justice and Peace

788
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.400
Building and the models are right there. They're free. There's

789
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:21.079
a free download. There's a free download on my website

790
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.719
of Love and Light. I mean, those are touch points

791
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.880
to start, all.

792
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:32.679
Right, Well, thank you for sharing those. So you had

793
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.559
mentioned that you are starting the podcast soon. But what

794
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.719
else is next for you after this book? Are you

795
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.639
working on any other future projects or continuing the conversation

796
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.800
in any new ways?

797
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.400
Yeah, I was. What I'm percolating on is I'm also

798
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:53.599
a playwright and I have one film, and I've used

799
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:59.599
writing and playwriting and as a way of healing. And

800
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.599
what I have in My craw is that I would

801
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.760
love to take a few of my one act plays

802
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:11.679
and put them into films for talking points about different topics.

803
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:16.760
One of them is sexual trauma sexual abuse for kids.

804
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.480
That sounds kind of heavy, but it's a very lightly

805
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:27.119
written and it rewrites the narrative for family member that

806
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:31.719
has passed. I've used that vehicle for that. So I'm

807
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.039
also thinking about doing, of course, the podcast, but I'm

808
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.440
also thinking about maybe doing another play, kind of like

809
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.800
taking some of these themes and putting them on stage

810
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.440
and having some talkbacks. So those are a couple of

811
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:48.400
things I'm thinking about.

812
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:50.199
Cool. That's really cool.

813
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:56.239
Yeah, that's awesome because Eric is a cinematographer I wouldn't

814
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.960
even say just a screen writer, but also he is

815
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:03.280
has filmed some of his own movies. He's worked on

816
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.360
tons of things this year alone, let alone in the West.

817
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:12.440
I'm a self published author, so it like, do you

818
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.800
feel that being a creative helps with dealing with those things?

819
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.199
Absolutely that, you know. The one that I wrote for

820
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:26.639
my aunt, it just for me. It helped break the

821
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:31.039
cycle in my family of this like invisibilized thing that

822
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.280
no one was talking about. And I rewrote the narrative

823
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.679
where she was empowered and spoke up and made it

824
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.480
different for her. So to me, that helped heal. Like

825
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:44.800
generations of trauma and no one ever said, hey, we

826
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.039
have generations of sexual trauma in our family. But I

827
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.800
get it. I've experienced it, and I'm like, the book

828
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.360
stops here. I We're gonna stop the book and I

829
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.119
want the energy to go in another direction.

830
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.719
Well, so we are actually running pretty close to the

831
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.880
end of the show here. But what we'd really like

832
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.760
to offer you is the opportunity to just tell everybody

833
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.480
where they can find you, where they could pick up

834
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.800
your book, and of course sure any other information you'd

835
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:15.239
like to share.

836
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.719
Yeah, thank you, thank you for having me on the show,

837
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.960
Justin and Eric, it's been a really nice talking to you.

838
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.840
You can find me at Lisa Wycollins dot com. You

839
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:29.519
can find me at Lisa Yavetta Collins on Instagram. I'm

840
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:33.320
even trying some TikTok nowadays. I have a YouTube from

841
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.679
my other podcast, Love and Light. But I'll be starting

842
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:40.679
another podcast, the Truth About Trauma podcast, coming up probably

843
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.400
next month. And you can find my book, The Truth

844
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:48.000
About Trauma wherever books are sold. Llewellen is the publisher,

845
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:52.559
and yeah, I think that you can find my work

846
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.079
is out there. My website's a good place to connect

847
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:59.639
with me. And please write, Please write if you have questions. Right,

848
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:01.840
I'm here to help.

849
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:03.519
That's awesome.

850
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.159
All right, Well you hang in just for a minute.

851
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.480
I'm gonna put you in limbo. We truly appreciate you

852
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.440
coming on, but we're gonna give you some more information

853
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:20.119
once we close out the show. So hang tight, all right, folks,

854
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.119
make sure you check out Lisa collins book The Truth

855
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:31.800
About Trauma. Absolutely a great resource. Obviously, not only can

856
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.719
you read about the different modalities that she talks about

857
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.119
and how to deal with it, but also journal through it.

858
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.000
Any last thoughts.

859
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.239
No, you know I always say no and then I

860
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.199
say which means there's something, there's something. Why I do

861
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.480
that every week? I think I'm just still used to

862
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:55.360
saying no. So you know, no, you know, whatever you're

863
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:00.679
going through, you know, whether emotional, spiritual, et cetera, we're here,

864
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:03.360
you know. We always actually guys to email us, reach

865
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:06.559
out on social media, talk to us some way. We're

866
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.840
here where we're really interested in listening and learning and

867
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.280
helping you go through whatever it is you're going through.

868
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:14.800
And also if you want to reach out to Lisa

869
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:18.440
Collins and you can't forever reason you can't find her,

870
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.440
you don't know how to go about it, feel free

871
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.280
to reach out to us. We're very accessible and we

872
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.519
will get everything you would like to her and be

873
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:30.880
that kind of mediator in between if needed. But other

874
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.119
than that, you know, man, it's getting like permit August,

875
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.719
getting to the end of August, like it's almost.

876
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.480
Halloween, almost spooky season.

877
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:41.519
No, it's our favorite time of year, y'all.

878
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:48.400
Yeah, And I've got two great shows for the end

879
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.039
of October, so definitely check those out as soon as

880
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:52.840
they come out. We got a lot of other great

881
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:59.719
stuff coming up as well. We've got Factor fiction about

882
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:05.880
both the Permuter Triangle and a couple other things. We've

883
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.519
got a lot of great guests coming up, so check

884
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.320
out everything we got going on. Make sure you like, share,

885
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.119
subscribe wherever you listen or watch. You can find us

886
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:21.800
on YouTube on our channel or the UPRN channel, Spotify, iHeartRadio,

887
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.880
you name it. All you do is type I Paratruth

888
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.239
and you're gonna find us. But again, this has been

889
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:32.599
a pre recorded show on one oh seven point seven

890
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.800
FM New Orleans, one oh five point three FM on

891
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:40.480
the Gulf Coast, and the United Public Radio Network. Make

892
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.480
sure you're checking out all the rat shows that are

893
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:48.000
on UPRN. There's tons of them, but until next week

894
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.960
where you'll find us, same time, same channel. My name

895
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.199
is Justin and I'm Eric Base.

896
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.159
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