Jan. 14, 2026

The Lalaurie Mansion: The House That Refused To Forget

Some houses are remembered for who lived there. Others are remembered for what should never have happened inside them. The LaLaurie Mansion in New Orleans is known as one of the most haunted locations in America—but the true horror doesn’t begin with...

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Some houses are remembered for who lived there.
Others are remembered for what should never have happened inside them.

The LaLaurie Mansion in New Orleans is known as one of the most haunted locations in America—but the true horror doesn’t begin with ghosts. It begins with Madame Delphine LaLaurie, a respected socialite whose private cruelty shocked even 19th-century New Orleans.

In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik uncover the real history behind the mansion—what was discovered after the infamous fire, how the story spread, and why the building still carries an unsettling reputation centuries later.

Is the LaLaurie Mansion haunted because of restless spirits…
or because some places are forever stained by human evil?

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What if the most haunted house in Louisiana isn't haunted

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by ghosts, but by historical trauma. In eighteen thirty four,

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firefighters broke into a burning New Orleans mansion and uncovered

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something so disturbing it horrified an entire city. The woman

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responsible vanished in the middle of the night, but the

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house itself never let go. Tonight was stepping inside the

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Laloie Mansion, and the truth behind the legend itself is

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worse than the haunting we do bury true. What's up, everybody,

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and welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth rebornn My.

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Name is Eric and I'm Justin.

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Now. There are plenty of locations throughout America that battle

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for the top spot of most Haunted, but two of

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those locations reside in Louisiana, and to this day, it's

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a toss up between which is most haunted within the state.

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The first, of course, is the Myrtle's Plantation in Saint Francisville,

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which we will certainly be covering the future episode. But

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the second, which were discussion today, is the infamous the

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Lorie Mansion in New Orleans. Now, Justin and I have

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had the opportunity to travel to New Orleans and visit

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this mansion and hear the ghost tales behind it. It

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was a fun, relative spooky, and spectacular night in learning

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about its history. But I will tell you that even

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on the ghost tours, the history they give you isn't

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nearly as deep as a truth itself. But justin before

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we kind of get into the show, like, what were

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some of your experiences when we visited this location.

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I mean, to be fair, it was a ghost tour.

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We were all just a little bit intoxicated, but I

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think I really didn't feel anything until we walked up

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got the opportunity to walk up to it and touch it.

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Not any like.

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Feelings of dread or anything like that. A little bit

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of heaviness. But we also didn't get a chance to

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actually go inside. It was limited to just the outside,

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and we did take some photos to try and see

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capture anything. The one thing that we caught we had

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debunked right away because there was security cameras there and

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there was like this orb that we saw, but then

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it's like, no, there's a camera there, So that's just

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the ar are infrared ir light from that. So I

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would love, love, love to do an investigation there. But

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had you ever heard of the Lollery Mansion before we

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went there?

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Oh? Yeah, I mean it's truly both infamous and famous

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in its own right, both in the historical context through

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Spanish colonial Louisiana, but also just with the years upon

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years of storytelling regarding the mansion and the hauntings there within.

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So it's definitely come up. And of course, you know,

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many of you know that I've been to New Orleans

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three or four times now. You know, I was down

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there on missions for after Katrina, doing a lot of

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clean up and work down there, demolition things like that,

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but then going back down again last year. It was

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October twenty twenty four that you and I went with

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your wife and that that would play two years now?

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Has there been two years now? Today?

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Is twenty twenty six?

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By twenty twenty six? Yeah, yeah, some think it's twenty

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twenty five. Well yeah, but yes, but you know, back

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in October twenty twenty four, it is my first time

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really getting a chance to explore the area, just go

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out and relax and enjoy it, you know, take it

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all in. It's a little easier to do that. Obviously,

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we're not working. Yeah, but nonetheless, you know, there's been

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a lot of experiences down there, and of course some

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of the most interesting and fun things to do is

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explore the ghost side of it, the paragarmal right, the ghosts,

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the band players, swat and so forth. Now, Justin and

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I we kind of split this up a little bit.

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We we did research in a different way this this week.

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So I'm want to kind of throw some questions over

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to you, Justin, because you've kind of you kind of

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do it, dove into this a little a little differently.

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But why is the Lollery Mansion that considered one of

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the most haunted homes in Louisiana?

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Well, I mean, Andy, see, my knowledge of the Lollery

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Mansion came originally from American horror story.

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Uh that's where I I might have heard it well

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before then, but it didn't like bringing a bellow on fault.

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So to see what.

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A lot of research was showing through pretty disturbing.

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But it considered one of the most haunted places.

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Moving on to the ripat Slaves, Oh all right, Now,

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Mullery was culminated in a fire which was set to

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the culminating pretty four and revealing a gruesome discovery in

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the attic.

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It's since then been before that the.

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Home the book The Spirit of Whom with missiles saying

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you've been on occasion fear screamed as well.

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Ah.

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It has also been required that there have been numerous

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setting apparitions and August taken them home.

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As well as reports of a dark and personnenty four

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by Ayant who was living aw in the buried apartments

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then department, who was early the the The tenant, prior

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to his death, had shared with a friend that he

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had believed he was being haunted by a team that

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wouldn't rest until at.

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Ye.

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Now we've talked about a similar situation that you had

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had with the client, right but tormented by something, So

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this one is kind of really near and dear to

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my heart because it is there's very similarity in many

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just the fact that Weed, you know, someone.

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You had mentioned justin at the beginning here a little

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bit about uh, your real first introduction to the lo

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Lor Mansion, and that was through American horror story. So

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you know, one thing that we notice within the paranormal.

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We talk about this type of thing here and there

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throughout the life span of our show, but the media

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tends to stretch things a bit in terms of the truth.

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So when we think of media, we think of pop culture.

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And so my question is how has pop culture shaped

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the modern myth of the Low Lower you I magine.

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Well, the one first and foremost. The first thing I

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really have to say about them stretching the truth is,

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although they do that, it does get people interested in it.

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So and that's what really interested me in the Lollery Mansion.

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But pop culture, I mean shape the Lower Mansion haunting

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in significant proportions. Not only have the hauntings been perpetuated

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by ghost tours in general tourism, but it has been

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established as a focal point of supernatural storytelling since eighteen eighties.

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I do believe there was even a video game made

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about Madame Malvarry. Many of those stories, however, became exaggerary

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over time, you know, predominantly extending the fact of finding

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seven mutilated salay you've got I cannot talk tonight within

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the home to pop culture narrative claiming hundreds of victims

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or very specific, gruesome and unverified acts which transferred the

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lore of the home. On top of that, the home,

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like I mentioned, was a central character in the show

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American Horror Story Season was coven in twenty thirteen and

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cemented the attic torture Chamber and popularized the fiction fictional

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between Lotry and Marie Leveow.

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We've kind of.

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Mentioned Marie Levo before, just to give just a very

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brief if you're in Louisiana, I apologize. I know you

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you already know a lot of this. But Marie Leveau

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was a voodoo priestess, some color of the voodoo queen

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of New Orleans, and there's a lot of history to it.

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But they thought she lived for over hundreds of years,

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but it was actually Marie LeVaux, and then her daughter

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took over the role afterwards, still calling herself Marie Levo

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to give the illusion that she was immortal.

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Interesting, But you know, that's like just a little bit

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of hoocus pocus, if you will. It makes people think

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something isibally true. Yeah, we see that a lot throughout

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history too, people who take the name of their respected parent,

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maybe not necessarily to make that person seem to live

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longer than a normal person would. But you know, these

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stories of individuals who share the same name one generation

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after the next kind of expand to this almost immortality

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like nature within the stories of these individuals, especially those

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who are famous. Yeah for sure. Now, so this was

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basically how pop culture more or less influenced the modern myth.

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But what do people tend to think happened at the

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mansion itself? Like, if you were to ask or just

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a random person on the street, what is most likely

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something they would consider we're talking about the mansion.

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over the years, leading many to believe the tales that

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are told. For example, some people believe that during the fire,

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the slaves were falling from the third floor of the home. However,

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the third floor didn't exist in eighteen thirty four. Instead,

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the mansion was a two story home with a peaked roof.

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It was also believed that upon further investigation after the fire,

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the theories found a buried burial ground on the property

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where they found numerous bodies, including the body of a child. However,

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in reality, there was no burial ground found, not any

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bodies found, and the property on the property. In fact,

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the closest cemetery was across the street from the Lotalerry

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mansion and was owned by ursuline nuns. Now today there

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is no cemetery by the house there. It's been populated

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and built over.

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But I think, you know, a lot of people tend

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to get that tend to be mistaken when it comes

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to those certain things, because you know, they think of

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the original context of the area, of the original layout,

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and these are the cemetery across the street, and so

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people naturally think, oh, cemetery, mansion, horrific events. They bound

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this cemetery on the mansion in the courtyard in particular,

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which just was never the case. And I think that's

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a lot of what I think it's important when it

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comes to these stories. It's fun to enjoy the idea

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of the fabrications, but the more we kind of dive

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into the fabrications that accept them, the further away from

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the truth we get of the original story and the

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full context of the haunting, which I think, at least

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in my opinion, I think it discredits a lot of

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the lives lost there during the years that matching was

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you know, I'll say, in its heyday, you know, back

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in its prime.

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Right well, and like you mentioned earlier, there was only

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seven slaves that were killed there. Now that's still a

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lot for back then and in this particular day and age,

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that would make her a serial killer. But you know,

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if there was a cemetery across the street and and

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people found out about this story, that's where the rumors fly,

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and just the fact that was it was next to

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a cemetery would have perpetually perpetuated the rumor that there

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was actually burials on the property itself, because back then

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it was a huge property. It wasn't this small thing

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that it is today. And my small thing, I mean

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more more property there than what is the house of

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sitting on now. You know, we're talking about Madame Lallery.

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This is her home. But who was she socially compared

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to privately?

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Yeah, so, in public she was described as a gracious

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and even captivating woman. In fact, people often mentioned how

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she was very polite, both in general to strangers but

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also to the slaves in her care. Privately, however, if

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you guys told a lot of the story already from

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what we've already shared, she was quite the opposite. She

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was cruel and secretly engaged in sadistic torture and even

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murder of the enslaved people that were in her care. Yeah, And.

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I mean slavery was bad in and of itself, but

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to add that torture to just made it even more

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dehumanizing to the slaves. Now, what was her public reputation

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and wealth?

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So yeah, So Madam Little Ree was born into a

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wealthy and well connected family. She was brought into this

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life as Marie Delphine McCarty on March nineteenth of seventeen

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eighty seven in New Orleans, which was then a Spanish

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colonial Louisiana. A quick little interesting note I would like

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to add here is that her cousin, Augustin Dee McCarty

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or Day McCarty, was actually mayor of New Orleans from

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September eighteen fifty to May of nineteen twenty. I think

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I unless I might have mixed those two number zem

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to the eighteen fifty, I believe mateen fifty Eslexia, you

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know how well.

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And that's one thing that they didn't put in pop culture,

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especially the American horror stories, is it was just she

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was a wealthy, well known person.

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Right well, and a lot of that wolf, I mean,

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just despite being born into the family. She also married

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three times just kind of added to her well connectedness.

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So the first marriage that she had was to Don

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Rumone de Lopez Elangelo in eighteen hundred, and the second

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time was to Jean Blanc I believe it, how with

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the last name was pronounced and Inspye. That's the last

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name that she's typically known by, by the way, that's

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her primary name. Is most people know her by Eden today.

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Lalory was her third marriage, and that was to doctor

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Leonard Louise Nicholas do Douay in eighteen twenty five, with

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each of these marriages increasing her status and wealth. It's

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also I'm going to add here that her two first marriages,

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she ended up as a widow in both of them

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as both her husbands passed away relatively young, which is,

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you know, in my opinion, a little questionable considering we

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know what her history ended up, you know.

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Being like so, and that would have added to her

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wealth as well at that time.

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Right absolutely, And so you know, with those three marriages

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and the way that her status kind of increased with

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each one, the simple fact was that she was a

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fixture of the upper class and was known even for

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hosting lavish parties. Despite the rumors of her cruelty, which

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there were. You know a lot of people think nobody

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knew of her cryptie, but they were rumors ready.

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Yeah, well, and I mean in high society, that is

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the big thing is rumors and gossip. So nothing has

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changed in almost two or over two hundred years, almost

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two hundred right now, What were the early warning signs

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that neighbors ignored?

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Well, so some of the warning signs early on were

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actually pretty numerous, according to historian Carolyn Morrow Long. Dotri

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was actually investigated in eighteen twenty eight for quote toward

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some of her slaved people, the result of which actually

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led to her forcibly selling several of those people while

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also paying for legal services. And then neighbors and residents

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also reportedly witnessed that some of her enslaved workers were

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appearingly all nourished and even frail. Then, of course, there

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was an incident in which a young slave girl felter

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her death, supposedly from the roof of the house in

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an attempt to escape from the mansion. Affred la la

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Ree became enraged toward her. There's a few different beliefs

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as to how or why she was enraged towards this

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slave girl, but one of the most leading beliefs is

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that this slave girl was dubbing Delphine's hair and whatever happened,

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she became enraged and was trying to harm her. So

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this poor girl fell from the roof suplosure way. And

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then in eighteen thirty three there was another neighbor who

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witnessed Delphine's cruelty, which again led to yet another investigation,

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which in this case forced her to forfeit nine enslaved

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people who are under her care, whom, by way of

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cheating the system, she had actually sold to a relative

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and then eventually bought back from said relative.

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Well, and the in spoiler alert, if you haven't seen

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American horror story Coven, cover your ears in In American

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horror story, the girl that fell from the balcony was

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actually per perpetuated as a suicide. The story was that

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the slave was gave birth to a boy who was

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actually fathered by her husband, and Lollary supposedly kills the

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baby for his blood. And we'll kind of get into

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that a little bit, because it's what's in Coven is

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kind of a mixture of two historical characters, I believe.

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Well, and speaking of the idea of suicide. We can't

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really put it past some individuals who actually choose suicide

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over the constant torture and abuse that oh for f

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in particular, people were suffering on a regular basis of

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the mentioned and that kind of leads us up to

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the fire of eighteen thirty four where things kind of accumulated.

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So what exactly, if you can tell us, Jesson, what

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exactly caused the fire itself.

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Well, the fire was actually deliberate. It was set on

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April tenth, eighteen thirty four by a seven year old

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slave cook who was desperately trying to escape the extreme

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torture and abuse that lolery and other or that she started.

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A slave and other enslaved people of the home were

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constantly you know, victims of lollery. Supposedly rescuers who entered

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the home. However, after quenching the fire, found the cook

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chained to the stove. Now I could not foresee someone

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setting a fire and chaining themselves to a stove to

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escape torture. I feel you would set the fire and

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flee so that the you know, the person that was

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doing the torturing was killed, not yourself. But again I

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have never been through that so, like you mentioned, Plill

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would have been desperate to get away from that torture,

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no matter the costs.

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Yeah. Well, so the big thing about Delphine is that

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there is plenty of lore that claims that she had

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actually chained her or slaved people to the areas in

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which they were working. So in this clase, in this case,

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she chained the seventy year old cook to the stove

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in order to get the work done and make sure

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she didn't flee, and that's why she's she was found

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in chains. He'd rather set the fire and hoped break

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for you maybe didn't or Diage chose, you know, a

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different way out altogether. But that's something else that we

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actually learned about a little bit later on, because eventually

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rescuers do discover something very very scary that kind of

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adds to this whole idea of losing chains and whatnot.

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So what exactly did the rescuers find once they kind

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of walked into this house upon quenching the flames.

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Well, other than the cook, you know, who was chained

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to the stove, of course, they also found a torture

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chamber in the attic of the home, which was technically

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on the second floor of the home because they didn't

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add the third floor till later, and they found at

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least seven more enslaved people chained to the walls or

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the floors, who had been brutally tortured and mutilated.

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And so one thing that that I I'd like to know, Eric,

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because the stories are maturry, particular in the brutality and

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the gruesomeness here. But there have been claims that the

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first responders at the time, and mind you, like most

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people you know nowadays, we think of first responders, there

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are many of them, especially when you think of the

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game case stuff, are accustomed to seeing some pretty grotesque things,

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things that shouldn't bother them too much because they technically

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become desensitized to it. Most of them do, I should say,

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But in this particular instance, the first responders were pretty shaken,

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and it had to do with a little more than

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just finding some people who happened became to the walls,

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floors and appear to be tortured. There's more details. So

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what exactly happened or what did they find that actually

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shook these people so much? All right?

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Well, and this is just kind of a disclaimer're alert,

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trigger warning if this stuff does not sit right with

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you or you don't like hearing it, please just you know,

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mute for now and or close your ears and I'll

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give you guys a second. Do that, okay. According to

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the legend, when they stepped foot into the attic, rescuers

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found what was supposedly stated to be a scene beyond

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their darkest nightmares. Now take that in for a second.

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We can imagine a lot of stuff in this day

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and age. Back then, things were a little bit more

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sensitive and when you came across something that was so

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horrific a lot of times, and this is going back

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to when you know, many more people were much more

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religious than we are today. So just just take that

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into effect. The legend details seven or more enslaved individuals

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who were either chained to the floor, the wall, or

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within dog cage like structures. And this is kind of

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done in Coven, so it's interesting to see that the

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history is not far off from the fiction there. The

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individuals were covered in scars or open wounds, some of

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which were disfigured beyond recognition, and wearing spiked iron collars.

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Now we know from even further in the past devices

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like that were used for torture devices throughout history. They

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had broken bones reset at extreme or unnatural angles, giving

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some victims a crab like appearance, which is just disturbing,

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and several victims were severely emaciated in star and even

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had been had their mouths sown shut. However, it is

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important to note that despite the historical fact that rescuers

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uncovered a torture chamber in lotteries attic and the exact

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detail of the victims may be exaggerated a little bit,

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yeah in the retellings right.

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And beyond all of that, that there were at least

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one or two people that were supposedly already deceased by

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the time they had wopped in the first responders. And

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we'll get a little bit into some of these later recollings,

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not the retellings themselves, about why that is. But it's just,

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you know, wild to me to think, like, by far,

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one of the most disturbing things here is the fact

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that they had these people in dog cage like structures

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and would purposely break their bones and we set them.

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It weird that basically had these poor individuals looking like

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crabs in a way that I just, I mean, I'm

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a very imagined person as I'm sure many of you

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are as well, and you can you can just probably

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think about walking into it something like this, not expecting

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it and seeing it, you know.

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Well, and again this, you know, these are just kind

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of tails or legends. It's not what actually happened. I

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don't know, right, but I mean, if just an example,

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if someone's arm was broke so severely, it would have

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not you know, if they wouldn't have set it, it

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would have set itself in the fashion in what she

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was broken. So if she would have never treated them

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for their wounds, it could have been that. But in

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the retellings, she was so sadistic that she set them

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in a certain way. Now there was a lot of

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a math aftermath in this, and she did eventually escape. Yeah,

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Now what was the public outrage and mob reaction to all.

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Of us well, So the public outrage was profound actually,

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despite the situation the times in which many people had

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enslaved people in yeah, enslaved people or individuals, most of

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them didn't take a liking to the extreme abuse. So

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for starters, the rescue that tortured the slaves, when found

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were taken to a local jail where they were put

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on display for the public to witness the injuries and

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sufferings of the individuals. Then there was the public condemnation

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by the media, specifically the New Orleans b which stated

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that the atrocities were both barbarous and fiendish. As for

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the mob itself, basically, an enraged crowd, after learning of

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the chained and utilated slaves in the attic, stormed at

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the mansion, demolishing everything that they could, including windows, furniture,

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and doors. And it was actually stated by a number

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of individuals that the damaged by the mob was so

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severe that barely anything remained aside from the walls themselves.

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All right, so now the question is what happened to

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Madame Laura Lee.

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Yeah, and that's a fabulous question. Right, Hopefully we get justice,

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but sadly that is not the case. So of course,

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because of this outrage and subsequent destructive mob, Delphine and

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her family were forced to flee their home and they

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escaped to France. Now again, I'm n Fortunately she was

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never charged, she never had charges fouled against her, No

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one came knocking on her door. However, at least one

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semi good thing that came out of it was that

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her reputation in the upper class society was completely destroyed,

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just basically non existent. Now, there have been some discrepancies

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around her death because she did eventually value and it

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was as far as we know of noble causes. It's

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common to be believed that she died on December seventh

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of eighteen forty two, based on a gravestone that was

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found by Eugene Becks or bakes exactly sure how you

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pronounced that last name, but it was found by Eugene

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in the late nineteen thirties, which supposedly read Madame Laree

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Loloi born Marie Delphine McCarthy died in Paris on December

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seventh of eighteen forty two at the age of six.

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And then that second number was legible. No one knew

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that he didn't know how old she actually was. However,

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according to French archives of Paris, she supposedly died December seventh,

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which is accurate, but in eighteen forty nine, so quite

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a few years later. And this was about fifteen years

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after initially cleaned to France upon the findings in her

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New Orleans home. Yeah, yeah, so it's unfortunate that she,

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you know, in a sense, got away, and there was

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some some some stories that she had actually tried to

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come back to New Orleans. She wanted to move her

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family back, or at least go back herself at some point,

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but her children, a couple of her children who she

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had fled to France with, actually protested it and supposedly

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had changed her mind and kept her in France until

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her time had come, when she had passed away. It's

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only sorry, it's really curious to know if she had

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come back to New Orleans, what would have happened when

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people have recognized her. Would charges have been fought against her,

469
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would she have been held accountable for her crimes, or

470
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.320
would she have kind of gotten through scottsfully Regardless, obviously

471
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:25.199
that is something we'll never go but nonetheless, what we

472
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.960
can hope is that there was eventually justice served, if

473
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.480
not here in the living world, then hopefully in the

474
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:38.559
after life. Right now, that brings us up, of course,

475
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.760
to the one thing that we touched on at the

476
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.599
very beginning of the show, and I'm sure what a

477
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.559
lot of you are probably have been really waiting for

478
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.840
even more so, but we always like to give the

479
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.679
context of these historical locations before going into the hauntings themselves,

480
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.800
because it helps, in my opinion, it helps us understand

481
00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:00.119
the hauntings and helps us to separate the fact and

482
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.239
fiction of the hauntings themselves. So when it comes to

483
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:10.280
the haunting, justin what have been the paranormal reports over

484
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.039
the years.

485
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.440
Well, the one thing I really wanted to say, you know,

486
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.840
real quick is we do this with any paranormal investigation

487
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.519
that we do. We want the history, whether that's of

488
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:28.639
the house you know, of the paranormal activity itself, all

489
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:35.760
three mental health history of either the current occupants or

490
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.119
previous or the ones that.

491
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.079
Have passed away. So I mean that.

492
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.679
Kind of solidisfies why we do this the way we

493
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:48.719
do it is we are true paranormal investigations investigators. We

494
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.199
just don't do as much investigation now on you know,

495
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:58.840
boots on the ground. But the several of the reports

496
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:06.599
here are of somebody voices or screams, even footsteps and

497
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:12.639
even the sound of a donkey brain. People see apparitions

498
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:18.239
walking about the building, including a large man in chains

499
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:23.440
and a little girl. Poltergeist like activity in which objects

500
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.159
move on their own, TVs turn on and off, and

501
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:33.679
photos falling off of the walls, cold spots, the feeling

502
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:37.599
of dread, which I mentioned, not really dread for me,

503
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.800
just heaviness, but we did not get inside, so I

504
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.960
might have felt that dread when I got in there.

505
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.559
And even the smell of decay, which is kind of

506
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.320
disgusting and gross.

507
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:53.480
Right, I mean, it's I always find like these things

508
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.320
which claim a smell of decay, and I think for

509
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.760
the most part, we all kind of recognize what that means.

510
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:03.280
But there's a number of different types of organic matter

511
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.159
that decays. So it's like, are you talking about decaying bodies?

512
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.360
The King would decay? You know, there are so many

513
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.440
different distinct smells here. But in this case, I would

514
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.440
imagine since Mackay they're talking.

515
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.079
About, Yeah, that's what I would get from that.

516
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.280
Yeah. So a lot of this haunting is actually pretty

517
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:29.239
common to pretty big hauntings, very popular famous hauntings, and

518
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.480
considering the type of history that this mansion has, it

519
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.599
would make sense that many of these things would be

520
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.360
would be noticed by individuals, both paramal investigators but also

521
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:48.239
just workers and individuals who happen to stop in and

522
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.719
you know, walk through or stay the night or whatever.

523
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.079
But With that said, as with any location, there are

524
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.760
always kind of two views or two interpretations of the

525
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.760
haunting itself. So what are the skeptic versus the believer

526
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.480
interpretations of this particular haunting.

527
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:16.639
Well, you know, this is the question to any haunting really,

528
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.679
but in terms of believers, it's often recognized that, you know,

529
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:25.239
the torture conducted by Lollery likely left to psychic wound

530
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.880
or residual energy that continually powers the haunting itself. We

531
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.039
talk about it all the time. Many of the claimed

532
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:44.400
phenomenon seem to be repeating a time in history rather

533
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:54.760
than intelligently reacting to modern day tourists and investigators. However,

534
00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:01.480
because there have been claims of tourists and workers being scratched,

535
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.320
it is argued that the haunting is kind of a

536
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.039
split case of both, you know, residual and intelligent hauntings.

537
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.920
And again we see this from time to time in

538
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.119
a haunting where you'll kind of have both. You'll have

539
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.440
a screaming at midnight every night, and then you'll have

540
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.280
just random words being said or your name being called

541
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:27.119
and stuff like that.

542
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.719
On top of like the earlier we had mentioned that

543
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.480
there was supposedly a dark entity or a quote unquote

544
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.119
demon in the eighteen nineties that appeared, which, as we know,

545
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.880
in many of these darker hauntings, some of these dark

546
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.519
entities or these quote unquote evil entities, whatever they may be,

547
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.800
dermonic or otherwise, they tend to latch onto these particular

548
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.400
locations because of the amount of depression and oppression with it,

549
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.679
and already they kind of feed off of it, and

550
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.400
so they grow more powerful and people start seeing these

551
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.239
shadow like things, right and I'm not going to call

552
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.920
them shadow people per se in this case, this is

553
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:13.599
something much different, much heavier, much darker. But nonetheless, there

554
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.679
have been stories of this dark thing, with this dark

555
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.119
entity that has existed within this mankind since the eighteen nineties.

556
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.840
There haven't been any recent recent reports, but there have

557
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.079
been claims of people seeing shadow like figures within the

558
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.800
home on occasion to this day.

559
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:40.599
Right now, With that said, the skeptics, despite maintaining that

560
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:46.039
you know, abuse certainly did happen, often cite that many

561
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:52.400
of the grotesque stories of mutilation, severed limbs, and medical

562
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:58.679
experimentation on the slaves were either invented or highly exaggerated

563
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:03.119
by the nineteenth and twentieth century newspapers and books. Of course,

564
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.559
On top of that, it is believed that many of

565
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:14.639
the reported hauntings, I'm sorry, haunted, sounds or feelings are

566
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.360
likely misterfected by individuals due to the building's infamous reputation,

567
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:25.639
and that many sounds such as disembodied footsteps or thumping,

568
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:31.280
is due to settling wood, shifting beams, or the intense

569
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.920
humidity of the French Quarter causing the structural movement on

570
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.599
a two hundred year old building. On top of that,

571
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:46.159
the original story of the home has been distorted by

572
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.239
pop culture like we mentioned, including American horror story and

573
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.800
ghost tours, which tend to prioritize a good story over

574
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:03.000
historical accuracy. Then there's the belief of a smear campaign,

575
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:08.679
in which some research suggests that the initial horrific reports

576
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:13.840
were heavily influenced by individuals, primarily neighbors. Of course, like

577
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.280
we mentioned, she was in high society, they love rumors,

578
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:24.000
and who had a strong dislike of Lellery. Now you know,

579
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.880
we see this a lot in hauntings that you know

580
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.639
we have to debunk, debunk, dubunk, So you know, I

581
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.199
have not seen if a paranormal investigative team has ever

582
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:41.960
gone in there. I'm sure there probably has with these

583
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:49.599
types of recounts, but I haven't seen any of the

584
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:50.920
TV shows that have done it.

585
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.960
Anyways, Well, there all kinds of leads us. All kind

586
00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:01.079
of leads us up to one big question here, because

587
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.840
despite things that had happened in the house, and despite

588
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:10.400
what weavers believe, despite what skeptics believe, the main question

589
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:16.159
now that's left is, let's just say, if there are

590
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:20.960
no actual spirits boothingering around, like you know, it's not

591
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.880
haunted by ghosts, and yet this place still kind of

592
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.599
seems haunted. Things are still happening, People are still witnessing,

593
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:33.639
seeing things, hearing things, et cetera, feeling things. The question

594
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:42.639
being can a place be haunted quote unquote by trauma alone?

595
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:48.000
I mean, I think we've kind of already answered that. Yeah,

596
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.480
it absolutely can in my personal opinion. You see it

597
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.599
in a lot of different places, not just the Dollery Mansion,

598
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:03.480
but if you look at the Civil War battle uh Areas.

599
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:11.519
You know, people talk about hearing soldiers rushing gunshots, stuff

600
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:16.880
like that. A lot of a lot of war sights

601
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:24.199
have these different sounds that are happening that you Obviously

602
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.039
I couldn't hear in the distance, like I highly doubt

603
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.960
that there's people just firing off in the middle of

604
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:41.360
the night at the Civil War battle battles. So yes,

605
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.159
and again this is just personal opinion. Of course, we

606
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.039
cannot prove this, but in my opinion, yes, I can,

607
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.119
and we see that with residual hauntings and homes as well.

608
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:56.480
I you know, when I when I think of the

609
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.880
spirit of God, I often think and believe that the

610
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.480
world and everything in it is endowed by the spirit.

611
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.840
So everything has a spirit or a part of the spirit,

612
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.000
including the materials that we use to build things, because

613
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.960
that was created by God. It was spoken into existence.

614
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.199
And as such, this building in and of itself kind

615
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.199
of has a spirit, not like we do. You know,

616
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:20.719
I'm not saying this is a living thing. It's an

617
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:25.239
inanimate object, but I think there is a spiritual aura

618
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.039
to it. And when you think of trauma, I like

619
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.679
to liken that to trauma of individuals, And I'm not

620
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.079
talking about the people who suffered in this case, but

621
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.920
I'm thinking about people like us. You need our listeners.

622
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.320
We all have trauma, we all have triggers right, somebody

623
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.440
says something, boom, You're triggered. You know, you get defensive,

624
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.519
you get argumented, you get you know, sad or depressed, fearful, whatever, Right.

625
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.639
And I think that just as we as human beings

626
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.079
deal with trauma and working through that trauma and we

627
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.480
have these triggers, so too that does that same type

628
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.039
of trauma and triggers exist in these objects that are

629
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:09.039
built around us. These buildings kind of absorb this energy

630
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.079
of the brutality and the torture that had happened in

631
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.039
this home, and it's become traumatized. It's like, you know,

632
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:21.719
you hear kind of this poetic saying every now and

633
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.079
then where it's like if only the walls could speak, right,

634
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.719
And then I think there's some sort of truth to that,

635
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.880
because I think the walls, due in an essence, absorb

636
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.360
this energy and then it replays it and it's traumatized

637
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.880
by what it experienced. And I know that sounds kind

638
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.920
of far fetched, just sounds kind of wacky and out

639
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.000
there even for some of you, But you know, when

640
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.760
you take the time to actually consider it and take

641
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.400
a moment to even consider that, yeah, it's possible that

642
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.360
everything has a spirit and of course there is the

643
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.559
possibility that everything reacts just as our own spirits do.

644
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.280
We know what they're bad energy? You know when it's

645
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.760
bad mojo, right, we react to it. And I think

646
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.679
the same thing here. So yeah, I think I do

647
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.239
agree with you. I think that a haunting could be

648
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.519
trigger batrolama, although and this is a different type of

649
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.159
trauma but nonetheless very similar to human drama.

650
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.000
Well, and just to add to that, I mean super quick.

651
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:21.079
I mean we talk about crystals all the time and

652
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:26.440
that they have a residence or a frequency or an

653
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:30.239
energy to themselves, but they are, in of themselves, are

654
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.760
what most people would consider inanimate objects. You know, houses

655
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.320
are made out of wood which was once alive, and

656
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.079
a lot of people even talk about how petrified wood

657
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:43.159
has an energy or a signature to it. Right, So

658
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:49.719
absolutely a house can absorb energy as much as what

659
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.719
you would call have a spirit quote unquote. So maybe

660
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.079
it's not so much having a spirit or having a haunting,

661
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.360
but absorbing energy, and that is what a lot of

662
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:06.760
these residual hauntings are could be could be. So some

663
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.719
final questions here to really consider, and Eric, you can

664
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.679
absolutely give your opinion on this. You know, at what

665
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:24.000
point does history cross into you know, rumors or horrors.

666
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.519
I think that history kind of crosses over into horror

667
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:32.199
or in this case, rumor of the horrors when it

668
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.239
becomes starts to become exaggerated. People start to hang on

669
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.840
to these stories, start to share them from one generation

670
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.079
to another, and you start to see these things grow,

671
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.559
which is often the case many of these stories, especially

672
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.800
from early on. One of the two things happen. They

673
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.639
grow or they with their away and die. And when

674
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.679
they grow in this case, they become more horrific. H

675
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:56.960
And they kind of become these horror stories for us,

676
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.440
and that's what we you know, we come back and

677
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.000
obviously like we enjoy it, like people going to ghost

678
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.639
tours helping us see this MATCHI and come across it,

679
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.199
hear what happened, what kind of d draw into it

680
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:09.800
in a way.

681
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.320
And yeah, I agree with that one hund percent. Especially

682
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:20.119
when you start when people start writing stories and it

683
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.119
crosses into pop culture and TV shows and movies and

684
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.920
video games and stuff like that, the history gets distorted drastically.

685
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.039
So yeah, I agree with that.

686
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:32.800
Now, we.

687
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:39.000
Have talked about this numerous times about doing the investigation

688
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:45.440
at Jeffrey Dahmer's family home. But you know, just like that,

689
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.679
is the Lottery Mansion haunted or is you know, just

690
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:54.719
the story itself is what unsettles us or even causes

691
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.800
people to have these haunting like effects.

692
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.760
Yeah, I think I think it's a combination of both.

693
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.400
You know. I wish I could I think it can

694
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.840
agree with me on this, and I wish I could

695
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.039
come up with something that would like kind of put

696
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.199
some differentiation between you and I. But the truth is,

697
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.880
I think that it's a little of both. I think

698
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:21.039
that the love little we mentioned is indeed haunted by

699
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.920
what and by who? I can't say, but based on

700
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.800
the stories and the amount of evidence from those stories,

701
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.559
I could assume pretty accurately that they probably that is

702
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:37.760
probably haunted at least ritual residually by various individuals who

703
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.360
had passed away there, or at least by the torture

704
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.920
and horrific energy that was manifested during the time in

705
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.239
the eighteen hundreds. But I also think that the story

706
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.000
does really unsettle us, especially the modern stories, because some

707
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.559
of these things are so grotesque, as you guys heard earlier.

708
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:58.599
You know, people hold on to this and that energy

709
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:03.280
is then, you know, pushed into the mansion, especially as

710
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.679
we have ghost tour after ghost tour after ghost tour

711
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.880
passed through this you're telling these stories, people are pushing

712
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.800
their energy onto this location, and it's just growing and

713
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.639
it's becoming stronger. So yeah, I think it's a little

714
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.280
of both, and it's what keeps us up at night, honestly.

715
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.599
Yeah. And I think you know, when we did the

716
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:33.280
investigation there, you know, we went into it knowing the

717
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.039
history of Jeffrey Dahmer and that will freak you out

718
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.159
for sure. And know what happened there.

719
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.920
Yeah, I mean, we're like going underneath the house where

720
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.519
I knew he chopped up and separated the bones in

721
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:50.880
the flesh of Stephen Hicks. It's a completely different feeling

722
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.440
from going under a house and not knowing what happens.

723
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:56.719
You know, it's terrifying. It's rare.

724
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:04.039
Now, why do places tied to real cruelty feel more

725
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:09.519
disturbing than fictional hauntings or even just fiction in general,

726
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:11.760
fictional cruelty.

727
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.519
I think because it's just it's straightforward as a question.

728
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.960
Let's say it's real. It's just real, Like, you know,

729
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.159
how the amount of Stephen King books I've read over

730
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:26.360
the past couple of years have rarely affected me the

731
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.639
way that reality does, and mind like, some things in

732
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:33.039
reality aren't nearly as grotesque or disturbing as the things

733
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.400
that Stephen keywhites. But fiction is separated from it. And

734
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.880
I'm not saying that fiction can't be scary, right, I mean,

735
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.320
I have. I had a nightmare about Pennywise, a clown

736
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.320
chasing me down two nights a gut. So I woke

737
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.159
up terrified and I had to shut and lock my

738
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:55.239
door to feel better and fall asleep. So but with

739
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.519
that said, you know, I think the fact that real

740
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:03.559
cruelty does exist. It's this idea that we can, as

741
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:08.559
people who didn't go through such circumstances as some viasless

742
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:13.760
they people did in eighteen hundreds, we being human, can

743
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:19.159
at the very least sympathize with what they have gone through.

744
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:23.159
We can, we can, we can, we can kind of

745
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.880
imagine the pain and the suffering that they must have endured.

746
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.440
And that's what becomes disturbing. It's knowing that this could

747
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.800
happen to anybody at any time, depending on obviously the situation.

748
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.679
And when it's fiction again, you're just looking at a story,

749
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.159
you're looking at characters that don't really exist, and so

750
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:47.400
it's easier to bypass some of those tellings versus the

751
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.800
reality of our history, especially like around the world. I

752
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:55.199
was especially here in this case in America with sort

753
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.360
of things that happened Louisiana and the South in general,

754
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.800
but just around the world, right, it's this is a

755
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.239
terrible place we live in sometimes.

756
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:05.840
Well, and to kind of add to that, I think

757
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:12.440
the majority of the population want to believe that regular

758
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.519
human beings are not capable of the cruelty and horrors

759
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.800
that happened in this particular case at the Loller you mentioned,

760
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.800
but even more so, like you know, that's why a

761
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.639
lot of monster stories or monsters that we know today

762
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:29.800
have kind of come about, is because people don't want

763
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.960
to believe that humans are capable of tearing somebody apart

764
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:40.440
or you know, completely mauling a person. That's not to

765
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.559
say that I don't believe that some of these monsters

766
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:47.400
do exist, because I do. But yeah, that's kind of

767
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.800
my take on it too, is some humans become monsters

768
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.800
just from the retellings of it all, right.

769
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.679
Well, ond percent when you think of lad being Paler.

770
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.559
You think of Elizabeth Elizabeth Bathroom, you know, these are

771
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.559
people who would put one person, you know, Vlad would

772
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:08.119
put people on spikes while alive, you know, in very

773
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.519
disturbing and horrifying ways. And these people would survive or

774
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:13.360
days on end, and he would eat in front of

775
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.280
them and have meals while these people's blood were falling

776
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.920
into the ground. And Elizabeth Bathory, she was a serial

777
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.639
killer who killed the multitude of young women and young

778
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.000
girls and bathed in their blood, you know. And in

779
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:30.679
both cases they have grown into this vampiric type creatures

780
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.760
in lower people often claim that the vampires, but in reality,

781
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.960
both Lad and Elizabeth Bathory were just humans who did

782
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.440
the unthinkable, did something so horrifying that the only way

783
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.639
to really wrap our minds around it was it turned

784
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:50.880
them into literal monsters that we would read in fictional books.

785
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:56.320
Well, and I mentioned this earlier, that you know Covin, uh,

786
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:02.159
I'm pretty sure mixed to historical carecters together because in Covin,

787
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.320
Lollery bathes in the blood of the slaves that she

788
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.840
is torturing or even killing, where I don't believe in

789
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:17.440
history it was actually the case, so that I was

790
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:21.360
a little upset about that part of it, but it

791
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.400
is fiction, so they didn't stick to all of the facts.

792
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:29.400
Of course, not to mention lollery was not immortal either.

793
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:40.199
So biggest question, Yeah, should some buildings be preserved or erased?

794
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.119
So many historical sites have been saved, but should they

795
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:44.440
have just been torn down?

796
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:50.960
I think it's completely dependent on the situation of the property.

797
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:58.280
I think in a case like this, it's important to

798
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:03.440
preserve the little in order to in order to preserve

799
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:08.199
the historical context of the times and help tell the

800
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:11.159
stories of the individuals who are harmed and who have

801
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.239
lost their lives in it. It's a way to keep

802
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.119
modern people aware of our past so that we don't

803
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:24.039
make those same mistakes going forward as humans. With that said,

804
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:28.360
if a location is in this case regarding all haunting,

805
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:34.280
is so dark, it's so dare I say evil that

806
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:38.119
it's actually causing harm to the people who work there,

807
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:43.079
live there, who visit there. Like I'm talking physical harm, mental,

808
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.559
hard and emotional harm, spiritual harm. If it's that bad,

809
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.599
then yes, I think those buildings should be raised or

810
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.719
at the very least have very strong precautions from keeping

811
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.719
people from entering the property if indeed, then still keep

812
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:02.079
it as a historical preserved Otherwise, yeah, I think it

813
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.440
should be destroyed if people are actually being harmed because

814
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.639
of the manifestation of energy and spirits that are currently

815
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:09.679
existing there.

816
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:15.360
But I mean, couldn't that even couldn't even be said that,

817
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.960
you know, destroying the property wouldn't necessarily destroy the spirits

818
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.239
or entities that are there.

819
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.000
I mean, that's that's that's we can't prove that. We

820
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:29.719
cannot prove that right completely. Yeah, I mean, and some

821
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:31.880
in one case you can say, yes, there's there's an

822
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.480
argument that if we destroy you know, you dig up

823
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.320
a grave site, you know, an old burial ground that

824
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.199
had a haunting, and then we put a house there,

825
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.719
that that house will still be haunted by whatever it

826
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.000
used to exist there. And yes, that is very possible.

827
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.199
There have been instances in which that is the case.

828
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.199
But there are also instances in which there were houses

829
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:54.519
built on burial grounds around cemeteries that don't have those hauntings,

830
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:59.280
nothing's happening. So I think it does depend on the situation.

831
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.320
You know, in some cases, get rid of the physical

832
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.920
aspect of it and the spiritual disappears. As well, there's

833
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:11.840
no place for those entities to haunt, then there's no

834
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.559
place for the entity to haunt. You know, it's like

835
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:18.159
keep raising the home of an entity or of a spirit.

836
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.320
But I will say that that's different from age residual haunting,

837
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.159
which would never know the building existed there in the

838
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:31.199
first place, whether it was physical or not. Right, So, anyway,

839
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:32.880
with all I said, we are kind of kind of

840
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.440
not kind of, we're very much at the end of

841
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:43.239
this episode regarding everything we talked about here. Do you

842
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:47.280
have any kind of final thoughts on the Lallery mention

843
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:53.840
and the history behind it, really, just.

844
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.000
Especially with the current state we're in in the world

845
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:02.920
right now, learning from history, don't let history repeat itself.

846
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.199
And when it comes to like hauntings and stuff like that,

847
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.800
obviously know the history of the location that you're at,

848
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:18.480
but do not let it influence your your findings or

849
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:24.599
even trying to debunk something, because you can know the history,

850
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.920
start hearing these things going on and get wrapped up

851
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:37.400
in the moment and kind of taint the investigation by

852
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:37.880
doing that.

853
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:43.679
So I couldn't say it better myself. So with that said, folks,

854
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.840
we are going to wrap up here. Next week we

855
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.599
have with us a special guest, Vincent Gana. We're going

856
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.320
to be talking about the truth behind extraterrestrials. You know

857
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.239
how much we love talking about extraterrestrials so and we

858
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:58.960
know how much you guys love hearing about it, so

859
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.840
definitely tune in for that show. With that said, we

860
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:03.519
are going to wrap out of here. I hope you

861
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:06.599
guys enjoyed the show. Please be sure to like, follow,

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864
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:21.039
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865
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:24.079
I'm not the same journal. My name is Eric. Yeah,

866
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:25.679
I'm justin peace.