Tracking the Wendigo: In Search of a Hungry Spirit w/Jason Hewlett

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There are legends that warn against whistling in the woods

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at night, not to follow voices that sound like someone

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you love, because some things don't hunt to survive, They

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hunt with unquenchable hunger for human flesh. Tonight on Paratruth Reborn,

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we're going deep into the frozen wilderness of Canada with

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investigator and filmmaker Jason Hewlett, the creator of Tracking a windogo,

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a documentary inspired by a modern witness who swears she

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encountered something that shouldn't exist. Was it a legend, a spirit,

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or a treature of sorts that still walks the forest today?

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Buckle up, because tonight we're Tracking the Wind to go Well,

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Go Well, do Para True True? What's up everybody? And

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welcome to Parachute Reborn. My name is Eric and I'm

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Justin and today we are joined by Jason Hewlett, who

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is a paranormal investigator, researcher, author and filmmaker from British Columbia, Canada.

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He's the co founder of the Canadian Paranormal Society, the

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co creator, writer and director of the award winning web

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series We Want to Believe, and appears in the Small

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Tongue Monsters documentaries, Cursed Waters, Creature of Lake Okay, ok oh,

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my goodness, I'm sorry, guys, fuckin Agen right? Is that

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how it said?

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Not?

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Uh? And on the Trail of Bigfoot The Origin. His

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latest book Heart of Ice, Tracking the Wind to Go,

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released on October sixth, published by Small Tom Small Time

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Monsters Publishing. It accompanied the documentary Tracking the Wind to Go,

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which debuted October twenty sixth. His latest documentary, Sashquatch Legacy,

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released on December seventh. He's also the host of Paranormal Theories,

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a weekly radio show on Sandy Castle Radio out of Florida. Jason,

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Welcome to Parachute Reborn. How's it going good?

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Good? Thanks so much for having me on at Okanagan

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is a tough word for people who aren't from the area.

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It really is.

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Sorry for messing that up. I even looked it up

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to you to make sure that's pronouncing it right earlier.

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It gets everybody if you're not from BC or Canada. Man,

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it's just to everybody. So it's cool.

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Lake Oga Pogo too. It's one of those is just

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not in our informal language.

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No, No, it's it's its own thing. It's it's all

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based on the indigenous languages up here, right. So well,

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now we have you on of course to talk about some.

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Wind of goldlore and documentaring the book in particular, But

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before we really dive into the need of this, what

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really first drew you specifically to Wind to Goldbore out

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of all the other entities and legends out there in

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all world.

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It started as a kid. Actually, I was a comic

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book nerd and I read like a lot of Marvel

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comics and one of my favorites as a kid growing

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up was The Incredible Hulk. And there was an issue

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of The Incredible Hulk from the early seventies, so obviously

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I found it second hand, but where the Hulk fought

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a creature called the Wendigo in Canada, and that was

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also the same issue that introduced Wolverine to the Marvel comics,

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and I just thought it was a cool comic book character,

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and so I would draw the wnd to go myself

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and my own comics as a kid, and it was

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portrayed there as just sort of this very white, hairy

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bigfoot with a tail, and the cannibalistic aspects where we're

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downplayed a bit, just sort of mentioned, but I thought

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it was a comic book, fella, until much later in

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life when I realized it was actually a very real

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indigenous story up here in Canada, and that there are

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people who believe there are these creatures who are currently

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wandering the forests hungry for human flesh. That's really where

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my interests started.

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That's awesome that I saw it in the documentary and

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then you're bringing up now because I read that EPI

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or that comic as well.

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Oh cool.

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I was a huge fan of Wolverine growing up, and

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when I saw that, yeah, i'd kind of known the

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one to go legend, but again not nearly as in

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depth as I do now. So it's kind of fascinating

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that kind of sparked your interest in it.

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I think you've got a lot of people if you're

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a kid reading comics around that era, you know, or

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even a little bit later right because its been republished

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in trade paced for back. But it was just I

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think it shows how the character is almost character, the

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Cryptid is so much more well known. I think in

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pop culture that amongst maybe cryptid lore r.

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And as someone I don't know you see behind me,

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I got lay all these statues of DC comic characters.

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I'm a collector, and I and among many groups of collectors,

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they're often posting stuff where pre regularly about how they

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would love to see a statue of the Hawk versus

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the Wind to Go and they want this high and

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collectible of that. So it's something that is very very

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much popular in pop culture and is still gaining trash

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even today.

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Well I think that's why, you know, I'd say in

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the end, why the movie and the book exist from

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small town Monsters, Because it is well known enough and

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it's become more popular in the last twenty years. I

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think that when it was featured in the first season

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of the TV show Supernatural, that really pushed it into

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the modern modern lexicon, you know. And then the movie

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came out a few years ago called Antler's which is

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very much about the Weendigo. There's the video game Until

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Dawn which features When to Goes in it, and even

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a character named Jack Fiddler who was a very real

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When to Go hunter here in Canada. So I think

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it's just it's out there more and more and gaining

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this traction that it kind of just spoke to me,

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you know, Time to do a documentary about it that

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tackled the subject matter seriously and have a book to

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go along with it, because previously, I think the only

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real book was but Chad Lewis wrote called When to

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Go Law, which came out a few years ago, and

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his was I think the first really serious deep dive

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into the law surrounding it. And then so mine was

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sort of the next evolution of that.

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Now, what was the original report that landed on your

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desk and made you say, Okay, we have to follow this,

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we have to we have to document this.

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Well, I was kind of already researching it at the

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time the book. I didn't know if there's going to

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be a film or anything. But while I was researching it,

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I had heard from someone locally like they're someone that

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kind of knew, you know, casually kind of thing. We

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were talking. He's like, what are you working on? And

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I'm like, I'm working on a book about the Wendigo

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and he's like, my wife thinks she saw one actually

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just this past January, so this is going back to

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twenty twenty four, and basically, yeah, she was dry. They

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live in the community a half hour out of the

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town where I live, called Pintan, and she was driving

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home from work here in Kamloops where I live, and

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on the side of the road that she's getting into

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the community and it's rural and it's dark and it's

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not well lit, she saw something on the side of

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the road that was tall, wearing like a cloak and

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had kind of a deerest shaped head with antlers sticking up.

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And it's like literally one of those like you catch it.

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catches your eye and then it's gone. And she'd driven

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past it. But there had been issues the house where

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they were living, where there's some other paranormal activity, and

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her brother had been living there and struggling with addiction,

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which he had just kind of succumbed to. And her husband,

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who was a gentleman I was speaking to, kind of

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when he heard her description of it, looked it up

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and said, it sounds like you saw a wind to go,

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and of course the wind that goes like a consumptive spirit.

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So he kind of hypothesize it because of what had

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been going on with the brother and the other paranormal activity,

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this could be potentially what she saw, and that kind

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of kicked off an investigation that became part of the

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book and also the wrap around sequence in the actual

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documentary itself.

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Kay, one detail you actually just mentioned there about the

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Wind to Go is that she thinks she saw something

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with antlers. Antlers or horns is not something that's originally

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associated with the Wind to Go as far as I understand,

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ridging their aboad or had like.

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Patches of fur or something like that.

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So if that were the case, I mean, how does

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the Wind to Go end up going from this bald

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headed creature to something with antlers? Is that something that's

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just more of the mind that's kind of developing this

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or does the spirit kind of manifests itself per you

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know the legends.

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It's interesting because when the Wenda Goes started, it wasn't

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even a creature. It was a state of mind. You

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thought you were being taken over by something that was

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making you want to eat your loved ones. You started

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seeing people as game, animals as food. So it's morely

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a psychological, more possessive state. And it wasn't until Elgernon

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Blackwood wrote his novella The Wend to Go that it

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was even portrayed as a creature, any kind of physical being.

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And yes, initially it was portrayed as a bald, almost

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rakelike creature, skeletal, very thin in the wood, sometimes the

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little patches of hair. And somehow, over like the last

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hundred years, these antlers have started showing up up on them.

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And I guess there's some indigenous tribes that would say

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it had antlers, and then woe said it didn't. But

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it's just one of those things that as this story

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has kind of gone on through time, it's been added

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to which was interesting. I mentioned the video game Until

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Dawn earlier, and in the video game they are when

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to Go are portrayed without ant okay, so you know,

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but the bar and even in that Supernatural episode it

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didn't have antlers either, right, right, But you know, no

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reason now it's it does. And that's just people think

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they see something that looks like it's got antlers in

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the woods. They're automatically saying, oh, that's a wender Go, right,

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or it could be anything. You could be misinterpreting something

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you're seeing, you know.

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Yeah, oh for sure. I mean I miss interpreted a

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pine tree once for a big pot, so I kind

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of understand it. It happens, right, But me and Justin

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and I we always mention this because there's sometimes like

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a mass influence that people have this idea of what

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certain entity or creature should look like, and then suddenly

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that creature starts taking on those attributes. And so I

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was wondering if maybe that could be the possible or

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a possibility at least for the Wind to Go suddenly

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developing these antlers because there are normal people who I'm

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assuming they find it more spooky that he has antlers

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or would have antlers, And because of so many people

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kind of the mind's melding together, it create this kind

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of you know, new entity or a new attribute to

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the entity that it takes on.

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I think. So I even kind of talk about that

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a bit in the book that I think, like I,

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you know, because of the wend to Go and how

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it's changed over time, and there's so many different interpretations

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of it, it feels like that, you know, did we

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did belief cretic a tulpa effect? Did the belief create

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suddenly this physical creature that's out there, you know, roaming

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the woods? And that to me and I hate explaining

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an unknown with another unknown, but I could see that

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happening that you just you know, and that you know,

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and it's changed over time and we're seeing it this way.

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So yeah, that that could be possible, right, And that's

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why now people are, you know, seeing these horned creatures

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roaming in the woods. I mean, I think people are.

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They get very excited, you know, something becomes more popular,

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They start seeing things, they misinterpreting other things. I had

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someone mentioned to me after, you know, you know, before

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the movie came out, that there's a barn near here

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that was possessed by a Wenda go And I'm kind

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of like, well, Wendo goes don't possess barns. You know,

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they kind of take over people, you know, if they're

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real at all. So I think you're right. The human

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mind in society and culture likes to kind of just

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shape things as it goes along.

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Now you've kind of gone over like what the what

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the origins of the Wind to Go are and kind

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of what made you really realize that this was something

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more than just a story. But one thing that I

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found really fascinating in the documentary is the story about

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swift Runners. So can you tell us a little bit

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about who swift Runner was and what your thoughts were

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on the on this story.

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Well, swift Runner was a cree hunter trapper guide for

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the Hudson's Bay Company, and you know, and worked with

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the Northwest Mounted Police, which are now of course are rocky,

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you know, our roal Canadian Mounted Police. And he was someone.

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He's where the story went from being sort of this

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indigenous myth and crossed over and to Canadian criminal law

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because he showed up in Saint Albert, Alberta seeing his

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family was dead and you know, they consumed in this

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died in this really harsh winter and there was no

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food and everything. But he was looking really fit. You know,

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he was a big guy anyways, but he's looking fitlye

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and starved at all. And at night he would start

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screaming in his sleep that a wendigo was trying to

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make its way into his room and take him over.

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And so what basically happened, To make a long story short,

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he eventually took people and the police to the Twattna

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Valley where his family had died, and it turned out

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that he had basically eaten them. He'd killed and eaten them,

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and they saw the remains of the family and bones

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and everything like that, and it basically came out that

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he had been he said, he was possessed by a

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wendigo and he ate his family one at a time,

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the last victim being one of his sons. And so

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he was taken to Fort Saskatchewan where he's basically tried

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and the first person legally hung in Western Canada. And

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even at Fort Saskatchewan when he was in these tiny

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jail cells, he was going on about that the wendago

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was still trying to get into his cell and eat him,

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not eat him, possess him, which would that of course

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make him to continue to eat people basically until he

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was stopped. So when he was finally hung, which was

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in a december, cold December day, he was he was ready.

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He was like, it took a long time, and he

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was really upset it was taking so long because he

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was just ready to die because he was so afraid

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that he would be possessed by this being.

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Sure, yeah, I the one thing that you mentioned on

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the documentary was or maybe with somebody else that you know,

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can you imagine that last son realizing, you know, that

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his dad ate all of the rest of his family,

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and then he was going to be the last one

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or the next one. And I can't even imagine, like

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even thinking back to like Jeffrey Dahmer's Victims and stuff

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like that. It's one of those things that it's like,

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it's frightening. And also the psychology that you had to

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have gone through to do those atrocities is something to

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be believed or understood. Because I couldn't eat my family,

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let alone another person period.

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So well, and that's where the psychosis comes into play, right,

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Like is this person is either really being possessed by

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something that's making them do this, or they believe it

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so strongly within their culture that when they suddenly they

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start having these urges or you know, or he could

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have just decided to kill and eat his family and

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he blamed it on the Wend to Go story, you

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know what I mean. And there's a whole bunch of possibilities,

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but regardless, it's yeah shot. There's Chad Lewis who relayed

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that because he was in the Twattna Valley in the

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middle of winter researching his book. I was there in May,

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so it was like nowhere near as cold and there's

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no snow, but it's a remote place. There's nothing around.

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Couldn't imagine back in late eighteen hundreds just being there

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and having this crime happen, and yeah, you're right, being

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the victims of this person doing that.

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Yeah, well, like like anthropic disorder too, yeah for were wolves.

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Yeah, it's it's that. There's actually a really good movie

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about that called where they sort of talked about that

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in the in the film and it was like, yeah,

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it's a rough topic, but yeah, there's these these parallels though,

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to these other stories around the world, which kind of

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makes you really wonder, like it's a chicken and egg kind.

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Of thing, right real. Yeah.

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Well, now, in regard to the actual legend of the

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Wind to Go, do we know exactly where it originated

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and what tribe it originated from?

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We just know it's it's primarily Algonquin Cree, Okay, the

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origins of it. Like like we say in the in

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the film, no one really knows where exactly the story started.

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We just know how it's supposed to work. You know

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what I mean. You you behave in a certain way

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that is selfish and detrimental to others, and the When

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to Go will come and take you over, make you

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eat your loved ones and then basically just keep committing

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these acts of murderous cannibalism until you're stopped. And it

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sounds really hard to stop a person when they become

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a wend to go. You either have to melt the heart,

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which turns to ice by pouring hot fluids down the

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throat to do that, which you got to think that's

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going to do incredible damage anyways, and then or you

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dismember the body and either burn it or sort of

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scatter the remains on like consecrated grounds. You kind of

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even can see parallels to the vampire story there as well,

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and even in some stories that we research, silver is needed.

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It needs to be a silver weapon, which doesn't, like

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you said, entropy and werewolves. So it's a really fascinating thing.

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And then obviously then at some point you once you

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were also and over you you became this monster curse

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to roam the woods, even eating yourself because you're so hungry.

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And this apparently you just keep going until you consume

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so much of your body that you're done.

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And that's where that whole idea of the whin they

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would have lips comes in too, where it would eat

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its own lips off and it's so hungry.

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Yeah, that's crazy, crazy story, right.

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That was another part of the legend. I had never

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heard before that the creature or person whatever starts eating themselves,

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not just other people.

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Yeah, that was new to me too, so as when

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Chad Lewis was kind of talking about that and Morgan

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knuds and I was like, holy cow, this is hardcore.

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Now. Was there a moment during the investigation where you're

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personally like, there's something to this, that this is real,

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there's something that makes this a genuine legend or a

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genuine story.

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Yeah, No, it was I kind of going up to

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Alberta to do my research, which is like the first

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thing I did, Like once I kind of knew that

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something was happening with this project, I went up to

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Alberta and I connected with Morgan Knudsen and Alicia Pearl

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Warner and Michael Brown and we spent several days kind

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of like tracking the whend to Go story starting with

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swift Runner and then all these other stories in the

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area and even some personal encounters that they'd had, and

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just the fact that people up there really believe this,

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like they still this is a serious, serious part of

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Alberta history and there are people who still believe that

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Wendegoes are out there and that you know, if you

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behave in a certain way, the WHND to Go can

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come and take you over, especially when you go into

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the smaller rural towns and people don't like talking about

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it and they don't even want you to mention the name.

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And I'm like, wow, like this is I've been investigating

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the paranormal for more than twenty years, but this is

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the first time where it's like it really seemed to

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scare people. Uh, these stories and this legend and and yeah,

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that they're having sightings to this day really struck me.

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So even there's kind of modern area of like high science,

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this is of this story rings true for a lot

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of people. And as I talked to more people and

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interviewed Chad Lewis, like he would say, that's the same thing.

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And you know, he's down in the States, and there's

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people that still believe, tribes down there of the Algonquincrete

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that still really believe the wind that goes a real thing,

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and it's really bad luck to talk about it. So,

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even though I can't say for sure, what I think

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the win to go is that there's something to it,

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and people believe in it very very strongly.

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Okay, yeah, now what is like So we aren't talked

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a little bit about pop culture, but what are some

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of the biggest misconceptions that you see in pop patry

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regarding the wind to Go that maybe people should be

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a little more hesitant about.

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Ooh, misconceptions. That's a tough one. I mean, it's it

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is primarily a cold weather thing. So if you're seeing

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like you know, people seem to think they're seeing them

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at all times of the year, but it's primarily a

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cold weather thing. It is related, you know, to cannibalism.

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It's not a skin walker. They're two completely different things.

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I seem to get mixed up a lot. Skin Walker

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is a person who can kind of change themselves into

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these other things. If you're a wend to Go is

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just like you are a wend to Go, and if

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you become a creature, you go from person to monster.

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That's kind of a really big one. I think a

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lot of stuff gets muddied, you know where I can't

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really pull one apart from the other. But you're not

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going to see Wendygo in Florida. I really doubt like

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that people we've had I've heard reports from Vancouver, Canada,

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and I don't know if I really believe that. I

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think people might be seeing something else and just distributing

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it to The Wend to Go. So that's a really

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hard question to answer because I think the story itself

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has been changed with time, and it would even change

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if based on different parts of Gonklin Creel. Yeah, that's

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a good one.

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Now, did you consult with any Indigenous elders or storytellers

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or anything like that on this project and how did

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their their perspective kind of shape your approach.

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The primary one that I got to talk to me

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I was really thankful for it was Alicia pro Werner,

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who's of the Cree tribe up in Edmonton and Northern Alberta.

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I did talk to a podcaster, and I really apologize.

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I can't remember her name off the top of my head,

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but she had an indigenous podcast. They did an episode

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on The Wend to Go and I couldn't interview her

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for the film, but I interviewed her for the book.

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And same with Amanda Quill, who's a paranormal investigator out

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of Vancouver. Again not for the film. But I interviewed

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here for the book, and that was really important to

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me to include that because here in Canada, all these

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stories are Indigenous stories, and as much as I can,

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I want them to be telling them. The hardest part

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is getting them to talk about them. I think one

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part they're very protective of their stories too. They take

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something like the When to Go really seriously and they

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don't see it as a good thing. You shouldn't be

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talking about it. And then the third part is that

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like white people like me have come in and taken

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their stories and kind of just run with them without

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bothering to consult them. So I think there's a fear

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that these stories are going to be misinterpreted or made

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to be more nightmarish than they are. Facts will be

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changed around, and I think that's already happened. We just

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sort of discussed that it's already happened with The When

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to Go anyways. But yeah, so it was really hard

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to find someone to talk about it. So I'm really

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thankful that I could find those three people, and that

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I could get Alicia like on camera talking about it

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and talking about her experience. I think that really added

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a lot to the documentary. And I could have recounted

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a lot of those things or got other people too,

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but I really thought it was important. I try to

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do this with every documentary I make, to get Indigenous

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people to tell their stories as much as they can

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or they want to.

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Well, something I've kind of heard a lot of is

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and it's kind of mentioned in the documentary to a

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lot of the evil entities. They don't want that legend

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spread because they believe talking about it will bring it

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to life or into reality.

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I could see that, like, you know, it's just like

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and I know, yeah, that was something when I was

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sort of even sort of in Alberta. You know, you

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want to talk to people about it, and they just

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kind of look at you funny, like why do you

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want to do that? Like you could just bring it

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upon yourself. I mean, I've said when to go so

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many times in the last year and a half. I

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haven't started hitting people yet. I know that's not something

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I'm too worried about, but I know that people take

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it seriously. You got to respect that at the same time,

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and at the same time, these someone is going to

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tell this story, and so I think if you're going

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to tell it.

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It needs to be told right right, Well, I think

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also like again this creatures taken or spirit is taken,

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taking up so much real real estate within pop culture world,

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but also just within the paranormal community people who are

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interested in knowing more, especially younger generations. Because back in

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two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, when Justin

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and I first started doing podcasting, we didn't say the

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Wind to Go at all, We didn't use the name,

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we didn't say it out loud. People were too afraid

481
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of it. They didn't want to hear it, and if

482
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.440
they did, they would turn the readio off. Nowadays, yeah,

483
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.079
it's just throwing about like it's just any other creature,

484
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.839
any other story. And there's yet to be any harm

485
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.839
that I've noticed coming from right now. I'm not saying

486
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.759
that there won't be harm at some point for somebody

487
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.000
who knows. You know that situational I guess. Or it's

488
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:35.880
very dependent on the belief systems too, even you know,

489
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.920
it's like, if you don't believe in the Wind to Go,

490
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.039
can it really come to hurt you? Right as you

491
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.960
can think with any of these creatures that exist today,

492
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.039
whether it be big but we're you know, dog man

493
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.279
et cetera. But I always find that really interesting, just

494
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:56.039
how much time changes people's perspective and understanding on some

495
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.799
of these creatures and what they are willing to talk about,

496
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:00.920
you know nowadays.

497
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.319
No, I agree, Like I think I mentioned before going on,

498
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.160
like I was a journalist as a crime reporter for

499
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.559
ten years from two thousand and three to twenty fourteen,

500
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.920
and if I had mentioned that I was interested in

501
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.559
the paranormal and like to hunt ghosts, I would have

502
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.559
had zero credibility as a journalist, like none. I probably

503
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:23.279
would have lost my job. And now I'm making documentaries

504
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:24.920
about it, and I have a weekly radio show and

505
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:26.839
I write these books and I talk about it freely,

506
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.559
and everyone's like, cool, man, that's awesome. That shows how

507
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.599
much things have changed in twenty years. But you also

508
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.480
got to look over that time frame, like shows like

509
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.519
ghost Hunters came along, you know, in paranormal State, and

510
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.359
then Expedition Bigfoot and Expedition X and all this other stuff.

511
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:44.599
And as much as I think a lot of those51200:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.319



shows do the field harm because of the way that51300:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.759



they're portrayed, and that's a whole other conversation, it has51400:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.839



made it an acceptable thing to talk about right at51500:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.640



the same time and to get these conversations going. And51600:26:57.920 --> 00:27:02.319



I think that's great because I think there's something to51700:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.279



all this, and I think it's a natural part of51800:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.160



our human experience and an experience on planet Earth and51900:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.319



a natural phenomenon. And I think once we understand it,52000:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.799



I think we'll understand ourselves and our planet a lot.52100:27:13.720 --> 00:27:21.079



Better for sure. I Mean, I've believed in dragons for years,52200:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.960



and there's a dragon legend in almost every culture around52300:27:25.000 --> 00:27:31.559



the world. So do I want dragons to come around?52400:27:32.119 --> 00:27:35.400



Probably not. I've seen rain of Fire and the possible52500:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.920



future that might have, so yeah, No, I don't want52600:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.839



that future at all. But I would love to know52700:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.640



a lot of the where these legends come from, and52800:27:47.720 --> 00:27:51.119



if they are real, why are we not finding them yet?52900:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.119



Yeah, And then that's the number one question, And that's53000:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.480



I think when you do get more into supernatural explanations, right,53100:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.960



And I mean the indigenous people with all these stories53200:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.000



every they were like, you know, Sasquatch is a spiritual being.53300:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.079



You know, o go Poco is a spiritual being. Hence53400:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.279



they're not always in our world and can move back53500:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.839



and forth. But the when to go whereas although like53600:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.720



where's something like a sea monster or a sasquatch could53700:28:15.839 --> 00:28:20.200



potentially also have this cryptozoological like a zoological explanation. The53800:28:20.279 --> 00:28:23.400



when that goes something else entirely, like it doesn't fit53900:28:23.720 --> 00:28:29.079



into total cryptid and it's not exactly a possession story, right,54000:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.359



and it's kind of also a mental healthish do you know?54100:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.759



You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't fit into54200:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.920



this neat box. And I think that's what what to54300:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.200



me makes it so interesting.54400:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.480



I think that's what we're realizing with a lot of54500:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.759



these creatures. Now, Yeah, you can't just put them in54600:28:43.799 --> 00:28:44.680



a single box.54700:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.119



No, they're marketing channel, you know, it's it's hard to54800:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.720



hard to pinpoint exactly who they are what they are.54900:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.240



You know, one question I do have for you to55000:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.880



reguarding this while we're on this topic, do you think55100:28:57.920 --> 00:29:02.400



like that considering Bigfoot might be spiritual? You know, various55200:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.519



other cryptids spiritual.55300:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.240



This when to go possibly spiritual.55400:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.480



It was a time where none of these creatures, at55500:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.200



least in in the bad sense, weren't spiritual. They're supposed55600:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.559



to be physical beings, physical cryptids. Do you think people55700:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.440



considering them to be spiritual now is because they really55800:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.279



believe it to be spiritual or do you think it's55900:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.200



their way and investigative way of being able to say, oh,56000:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.920



I haven't been able to find a physical thing because56100:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.039



it isn't physical. Therefore, you know, it is just a56200:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.920



way to kind of save their pride even a way.56300:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.079



You think you know that that's really interesting because I56400:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.200



just had a documentary come out called Sasquatch Legacy, and56500:29:40.240 --> 00:29:45.279



I met with like some veteran Sasquatch researchers like Thomas Steinberg,56600:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.200



Jerry Matthews, Bill Reid, and Brad Trent, who all worked56700:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.400



with like you know, Renee Dehinden and John Green and56800:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.079



all these like legends in the field. And they believe56900:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.160



if and they still talk about it this way after57000:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.599



like decades of research, if sasquatch is real, it's a57100:30:01.640 --> 00:30:06.119



real being. If it's not real, that's why you haven't57200:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.599



found it yet, you know what I mean. And they57300:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.400



figure that we'll know just with the way technology is57400:30:11.480 --> 00:30:13.599



going now, and you know the way that even large57500:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.039



tunnels under highways or if like cameras in it, that57600:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.640



in about five years we'll know for sure if a57700:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.720



Sasquatch is real or not. And they are very big57800:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.799



on the fact that they think people who go to57900:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.279



the paranormal realm for explanations are just like you're saying,58000:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.279



they're trying to keep the story alive. They can't figure58100:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.480



out a logical explanation, so it's just a way to58200:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.519



kind of push like a faith almost more so than58300:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.480



anything else. And I you know, I've investigated ghosts for58400:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.359



twenty five years, you know, and had experiences all my life.58500:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.160



I'm confident there's something to it. I can't tell you58600:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.880



if it's the spirit of the dead or whatnot, but58700:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.799



there's something to it. And so that's why, you know.58800:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.119



So it's like, could Bigfoot be something spiritual? I don't58900:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.680



think the indigenous people are wrong, but they attribute spiritual59000:30:59.680 --> 00:31:04.240



explot to everything. Sure, right, And I've had experiences with59100:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.519



something in the woods. It's definitely seems a far more59200:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.960



physical than than than spiritual. So yeah, I think it's59300:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.960



I think that is. It's it's an excuse. Like I say,59400:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.119



I don't think it's good to explain it unknown with59500:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.640



another unknown. I think you have to approach some these things,59600:31:18.720 --> 00:31:24.000



especially with good hardcore skepticism, and be okay with the59700:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.039



fact like, what would be so wrong if we prove59800:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.119



that Bigfoot isn't real? Right?59900:31:29.559 --> 00:31:30.279



Right?60000:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.960



Right there you go. You solve the mystery, you know60100:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.240



what I mean. And it's cool that people believe in it.60200:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.839



I think it's a great story. But if you prove60300:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.920



that there's no such thing as sasquatch, then okay, that's60400:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.880



the problem solved. Next next subject.60500:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.920



Yeah, I think and I think that works best for60600:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.680



people who are open minded about sasquatch.60700:31:45.119 --> 00:31:45.160



No.60800:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.839



On the on the flip side of there's people and60900:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.640



I was one of these people at one point where61000:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.359



you're just so so like committed to the fact that61100:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.759



this creature does exist, and everything you do is about61200:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.599



this creature existing, and then all of a sudden you61300:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.720



want doesn't that causes big kind of collapse on your foundation,61400:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.079



right because you're building yourself up on this foundation. So61500:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.400



for those that the people, it might be very very61600:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.359



difficult and very harsh for them. But yeah, I think61700:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.759



if we're open mind data in this especially in this world,61800:32:16.640 --> 00:32:18.720



the paranormal world, the spiritual world.61900:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.759



Then we have nothing to really lose, just more to gain.62000:32:24.079 --> 00:32:25.880



I agree, and I I've met a lot of the62100:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.480



people who I hate to use the term fanatical, but62200:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.400



who are just so want these things to be real,62300:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.519



Like you know what I mean, And it's just like, yeah,62400:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.240



you're right. It would literally kill the fiber of their62500:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.720



being to prod it once. But I mean that's I62600:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.720



think that's the risk of having too strong a belief62700:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.200



in anything, Like I think, you know, if you're going62800:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.200



to get into this line quote unquote line of work,62900:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.279



you need to be as skeptical as possible. And that's63000:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.440



how you can kind of I've been to places where63100:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.759



there's been stories about hauntings and we've had stuff happen63200:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.759



that we've been able to debunk, and we're not upset63300:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.359



that we debunked. It's like cool, because we've also had63400:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.119



things happen that we can't debunk and we have no63500:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.160



idea what it was that happened. So that's just part63600:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.799



of doing this. And just because you have one thing63700:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.599



happened that you can debunk doesn't mean that everything else63800:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.279



is bs same as if you have something that you63900:33:15.279 --> 00:33:16.920



can debunk, doesn't mean that everything else that goes on64000:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.680



in that house or property is haunted. So everything's trying64100:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.200



to coach on our case by case basis.64200:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.160



Yeah, and we do the same thing when it comes64300:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.839



to like paranormal investigations dost in particular, and it's like64400:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.759



we can tell people, yeah, we believe that ghosts exists,64500:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.400



and this is the reason why it was the evidence.64600:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.039



But I can't replicate any of this evidence that we've captured,64700:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.319



so I can't actually tell you or Prudy that they64800:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.240



do exist. It's just what I've experienced, what I think64900:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.839



is true. Well, you know if it's not, if I'm wrong, hey,65000:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.599



it's a fun time.65100:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.960



Well and we'll still have those clients though, too that65200:33:48.839 --> 00:33:54.519



you've you've done the investigation and you're like, we're not65300:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.359



getting anything. We don't think there's a haunting here. And65400:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.759



they're like, no, no, you guys are wrong. There's so65500:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.920



much stuff that's unexplained. You know there's there's ghosts here.65600:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.320



Yeah. I've had those people too. Man, let's spend hours65700:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.199



at a house and then nothing happened. None of the65800:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.840



things they ever explained came even fromtally close to happened, Like,65900:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.360



nothing happened. And when you looked at their their shelves,66000:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.760



they had like every ghost book and every episode of66100:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.000



like ghost Hunters, and it's like I think some people66200:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.880



just want to have to be a part of this66300:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.280



phenomena in whatever way, shape or form that they can.66400:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.840



I mean, there's people that say that they've sat with66500:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.199



tribes of Sasquatch, you know what I mean, and that66600:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.679



there's tribes of them and they have their whole culture.66700:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.119



And then the ones that are just roaming the woods66800:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.639



attacking people are like the outcasts and blah blah blah66900:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.519



blah blah. And it's like, where are you getting this from? Like, right,67000:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.760



how how have you believe this? And do you really67100:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.960



believe that it? Are you just selling a line because67200:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.760



you want to make some bucks? Like it just really,67300:34:52.760 --> 00:34:59.480



you gotta no no right now.67400:35:00.519 --> 00:35:07.360



One part of the documentary, you guys mentioned, you know,67500:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.559



let's hope that none of us get possessed by by67600:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.639



the wind to Go spirit because we're calling it. Was67700:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.360



there really that fear? Was it like a joke? Kind67800:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.480



of a nervous joke. What was that about?67900:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.719



It was just kind of a little bit of both.68000:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.440



Because you can't, in my mind, you can't consider yourself68100:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.400



a researcher investigator and cover your topic like the when68200:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.719



to go, especially at a place where there's been a68300:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.519



report of a sighting of one without conducting an investigation.68400:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.400



So that's what we did. So, you know, all Olivia68500:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.719



Aslin and I were the two people doing the investigation,68600:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.800



and we would decide that one part of that was68700:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.880



going to be using the SDS method, And for people68800:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.599



who don't know what that is, one person plugs their68900:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.360



earphones into a spirit box, which is an AMFM receiver69000:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.159



that spirit's supposed to communicate with, and was wearing the69100:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.599



headphones so he couldn't hear what I was saying. So69200:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.679



I would ask questions and then he would answer, I'm69300:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.159



not hearing the question that I asked. And I kind69400:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.360



of joked that because when the gooes are supposed to69500:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.280



possess people asked, Alli, if he's okay with that, that's69600:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.920



you know, there's a chance that that could happen, even69700:36:18.920 --> 00:36:22.199



though I didn't really believe that it would. But what69800:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.599



do I know have happened?69900:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.840



Well, it's like calling a demon's name and expecting it70000:36:28.000 --> 00:36:28.800



not to come around.70100:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.320



Yeah, exactly, So you just but so it was kind70200:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.880



of one part. I was pretty confident we would be okay,70300:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.840



but after having spent at that point about a year70400:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.159



researching it, and you know, filming parts of the documentary,70500:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.039



it's like, well, you got to kind of, you know,70600:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.840



also be half serious at the same time, and all70700:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.199



he was okay with it, and Sean had the rifle70800:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.719



and no one got shot, so everything was about no70900:36:53.760 --> 00:36:54.400



one ate anyone.71000:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.480



So we're good, all good for all else.71100:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.920



But people called us both very brave and complete idiots.71200:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.400



Yeah for doing.71300:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.679



Fine line being genius and idiocy is yeah.71400:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.320



Yeah. I really liked how that turned the whole sequence71500:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.039



turned out in the documentary. It was a nice way71600:37:15.079 --> 00:37:16.039



to kind of cap things off.71700:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.920



Well, now while you're actually in the field, like how71800:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.800



do you especially with the documentary, it's like, how do71900:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.960



you balance being a storyteller an investigator, but also being72000:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.039



a human being who can still be scared and frightened72100:37:30.079 --> 00:37:30.519



by things.72200:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.599



You just film what happened. That's how I've I approached this.72300:37:37.239 --> 00:37:38.760



I don't know what's going to happen, And when you72400:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.800



do an investigation for a documentary like this, you have72500:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.960



no idea what's going to happen, and so you're going72600:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.559



completely open minded. You conduct your investigation and you film72700:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.480



it and then kind of whatever happens happens. All I72800:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.800



knew with Tracking the Wind to Go with that investigation72900:37:53.880 --> 00:37:55.679



that we shot that it was going to be the73000:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.320



wrap around segment for the documentary. That's the only thing73100:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.480



I really knew. I wanted it to be, so whatever happened,73200:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.440



good or bad, it would be kind of the beginning73300:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.639



and end with sort of the beginning of the investigation,73400:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.119



the setup, and then I really wanted kind of the73500:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.320



last act of the documentary, after we've done all this73600:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.119



other stuff, to kind of be the culmination in this investigation.73700:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.800



I think one part, because people enjoy watching that kind73800:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.159



of thing, especially when you get the night vision out73900:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.000



and all that, and if something happens, it can be74000:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.800



dramatic and it can be very memorable. And you know,74100:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.400



I always believe that the one thing people remember most74200:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.760



about any book or story is how it ends. You74300:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.519



can have like the best movie in the world, and74400:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.639



if the ending sucks, that's what you remember. Ever remembers74500:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.440



the ending of The Sopranos and hates it, but they74600:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.840



forget there's like eight great seasons of TV before that.74700:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.679



So however the investigation went, would definitely be how people74800:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.199



left Tracking the WHND to Go feeling.74900:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.840



That's how I felt about Supernatural when it ended, they75000:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.519



couldn't have ended it any other way, but it was75100:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.760



still a stupid ending, but just because I loved the75200:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.320



show that much. But yeah, you always have to end75300:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.920



the story, and not everybody's always gonna agree with it, unfortunately.75400:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.800



No, I felt at least people who like watching investigations75500:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.880



would enjoy the investigation, and once it was shot, I75600:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.519



knew that we had some stuff happen that would at75700:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.239



least be compelling enough for people to watch and enjoy it.75800:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.159



Even though we basically spoiler alert people haven't seen it.75900:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.639



We were inconclusive as to what we experienced in the76000:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.639



woods that night, but I thought it was just it76100:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.280



was interesting, it was fun to do those Those are76200:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.239



like the fun parts of the shoot, really.76300:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.519



Right, But now so it was inconclusive. How does that like?76400:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.079



Do you stay awake at nights sometimes think like what76500:39:37.400 --> 00:39:37.559



was that?76600:39:37.719 --> 00:39:38.480



What really was that?76700:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.079



Or is it just you know not how to say?76800:39:41.079 --> 00:39:41.559



Out of mind?76900:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.159



It's it was conclusive and that's it, you know, Like.77000:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.360



That's a good one. Like I've I've had stuff happen77100:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.960



maybe that I haven't filmed, but that you have been investigating.77200:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.320



It makes you think, like for a long. You still77300:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.679



ponder what that was with the when to go shoot?77400:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.719



Like what I'm really curious about what off that UFO77500:40:00.760 --> 00:40:05.280



trigger object because it's you know, it's was behind me77600:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.639



the sensor face and the other way, and it was77700:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.840



a change in temperature that's supposed to set it off,77800:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.480



and it went off, and you know, all he was77900:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.400



looking at it. I had my back to it, but78000:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.199



it just went off on its own. We've been walking78100:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.000



around it for like, you know, an hour, nothing set78200:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.480



it off. So what was that? That kind of puzzle78300:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.800



about that for a bit. But I had begun post78400:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.559



production on the Sex Squash Legacy documentary at the same time,78500:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.199



so I was kind of filming two things, almost wrapping78600:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.880



one up and starting another, so I didn't have time78700:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.880



to dwell too much on it, unfortunately. I mean, I78800:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.760



go back on when we were doing editing and I'm78900:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.119



kind of like, I wonder what did Ali when we79000:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.880



were doing the SDS method, because I asked the question,79100:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.000



you know, are you hungry? And it responded, there's you79200:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.119



got he said, we are. It's like, what was that?79300:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.400



You was like, was that a Wendigo spirit? Did we79400:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.159



like just narrowly missed the whole the worst case scenario.79500:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.920



On that or what well, and only that it didn't79600:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.079



say I it's sh it said we yeah, so that's79700:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.079



multiple you get it.79800:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.400



That's demonic lore. Oh yeah, we are legion?79900:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.840



Yeah right that.80000:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.719



Yeah, who knows? Man? Like that was just to me80100:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.840



that that was almost the big stumper. You know, they80200:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.360



keep talking, So that's the question about are you hungry?80300:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.239



And we are? But then that that was it? Right? No, Now.80400:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.440



I have a problem with this as well. But how80500:41:31.480 --> 00:41:34.880



do you how do you separate it? It could be80600:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.199



in general, but even specific to this case, what might80700:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.719



be paranormal from what could be trauma, stress, or suggestion80800:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.519



in a witness experience, or even mental illness or mental state.80900:41:47.920 --> 00:41:53.119



Oh that's that's one. Yeah, that's a that's a tough one, man.81000:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.840



It's because I understand how much all of that can81100:41:56.960 --> 00:42:02.039



influence someone's experience. I find it really interesting that a81200:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.639



lot of people who experience paranormal phenomena or trauma survivors81300:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.360



in some way, shape or form. Is it the mind81400:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.960



trying to make sense of things? It could be, But81500:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.800



you also have experiences where multiple people are experiencing the81600:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.199



same thing at the same time, and not everybody. There81700:42:23.280 --> 00:42:27.280



could be you know, have gone through the similar trauma81800:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.599



or something. So I think there's a correlation for sure.81900:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.119



Does trauma make you more susceptible to the paranormal? Does82000:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.239



open your mind up more to it? Does being a82100:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.960



victim of trauma draw the paranormal to you? I think82200:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000



those are big possibilities, But I think you got to82300:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.199



also take into account mental health. I mean by my82400:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.559



colleague Pete is an investigator for an ordained exorcist out82500:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.960



of Washington State, and a big part of the process82600:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.280



is if someone thinks they're possessed, they got to go82700:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.039



through a proper psychological, psychological evaluation and check for mental health.82800:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.039



I've been in people's home that say their places are haunted,82900:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.280



and usually the homeowner leaves and one of the first83000:43:05.320 --> 00:43:06.960



things I do is look going to the bathroom and83100:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.039



look for medication that could suggest things. Right, Sorry, folks,83200:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.679



but it's just fibing that out now. But you got83300:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.679



to take that into consideration. You have to.83400:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.559



I think most you know, paranormal investigators and even clients83500:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.559



now realize that, you know, a paranormal investigator has to83600:43:26.679 --> 00:43:32.280



eliminate mental illness out and a lot of times, you know,83700:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.440



us as investigators will ask is there any mental illness involved?83800:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.000



And some people are truthful saying oh yeah, you know,83900:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.360



I take this or that for schizophrenia or you know whatever,84000:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.000



and then like you're saying, there's plenty more that don't84100:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.679



and you still have to investigate to see if it84200:43:50.800 --> 00:43:51.480



was a lie.84300:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.320



Oh yeah, and even like are you are you abuser84400:43:55.360 --> 00:43:56.159



of drugs and alcohol?84500:43:56.760 --> 00:43:56.920



Right?84600:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.559



Have you been drinking or taking drugs when these experiences84700:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.239



have happened, Like, it's all got to be taken into consideration,84800:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.679



right when you're doing these things, don't don't drink and investigate.84900:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.199



This is also a good rule.85000:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.280



Of well, it's like and we've told people, you know,85100:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.800



it's better that you just tell us the truth up85200:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.760



front rather than us finding out about it during the investigation.85300:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.960



That's going to screw up credibility big time, huge.85400:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.800



And if they're honest and forthright about it. And then85500:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.159



then you're doing an investigation and you experience something you85600:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.440



can't explain and there you.85700:44:28.519 --> 00:44:34.119



Go, right right, yeah, Well, now, so with this film,85800:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.840



do you feel or did you feel a responsibility to85900:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.639



the witness at the heart of this case, and if so,86000:44:41.039 --> 00:44:43.199



how did that guide the way you told the story?86100:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.480



Yeah? I think I think with anything, like any any interviewee,86200:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.920



you've you've you owe them, you know, doing the best86300:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.920



possible job you can to relay their experience. I think86400:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.679



that was something that was drilled into me as a journalist,86500:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.960



like you're telling people stories, so you've got to be86600:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.119



respectful and do the best possible job you can, even86700:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.519



if you don't necessarily believe it, like that's your job.86800:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.679



There's a documentary filmmaker, I think it's the exact same thing,86900:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.239



so you know, I mean it was cool, like, oh wow,87000:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.800



there's like an alleged wend Togo signing like a half87100:45:13.840 --> 00:45:15.199



hour from where I live, and I'm working on a87200:45:15.199 --> 00:45:16.960



book about it, and I'm going to make a documentary.87300:45:17.039 --> 00:45:21.559



Great because that is great material, but you don't exploit it.87400:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.559



They didn't want to be on cameras, so that's fine.87500:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.960



They're okay with using the audio from the interview for87600:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.960



the book. That was great, So figure out a way87700:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.239



to incorporate that into the film in a respectful manner.87800:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.239



Left out certain details that didn't need to be in87900:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.440



there in terms of just talking about, you know, how88000:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.400



much her brother's dying was like you know what I mean, like,88100:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.000



you don't glorify it. And then there's the siding. We88200:45:42.079 --> 00:45:43.840



find a location as close as we can to where88300:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.800



it was, and it's good to work. Now.88400:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.800



Have you had any pushback or strong reactions, both positive88500:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.920



or negative from people who have seen the film or88600:45:55.920 --> 00:45:56.639



even read the book?88700:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.840



Yeah, most largely positive. You know, I don't like to88800:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.079



read YouTube comments too much. The negative ones are the88900:46:05.159 --> 00:46:10.199



typical what you'd expect what I'm yeah, yeah, the usual kind.89000:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.880



But most people have been really good about it.89100:46:12.039 --> 00:46:12.199



I know.89200:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.679



I used in order to sort of thread things together89300:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.039



because just the nature of the project and timeline, I89400:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.599



had to use you know, some AI to kind of89500:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.760



just more to thread scenes together, like nothing that was89600:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.360



actually part of the actual story, but just like some89700:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.719



graphics and stuff that I didn't really just more out89800:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.559



of necessity. People didn't like that, I get it. The89900:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.440



next film, Sasquash Legacy, had like almost none and the90000:46:33.519 --> 00:46:36.920



project I'm working on now has zero. But that was90100:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.119



more done just because you've got to thread things together,90200:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.800



and I needed just images to lock stories together. I90300:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.960



couldn't I couldn't afford to hire create a whnd to90400:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.280



go suit or to hire actors to reenact the swift Runner,90500:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.880



you know what I mean, like in period clothing and90600:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.599



a fort like you just there's certain things you just90700:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.000



can't do right. But that was really yet largely people90800:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.320



really like it. The fact is the views continue to climb.90900:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.159



People are still watching it and still discovery it and91000:47:01.239 --> 00:47:02.000



still buying the book.91100:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.480



And I think that just speaks where it's alf that's awesome.91200:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.280



So I we are coming up to the end of91300:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.480



the show here, But what's next for you? Any forthcoming investigations,91400:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.400



films or other books we should keep an eye out for.91500:47:14.440 --> 00:47:19.800



I just last week last Sunday released Sasquatch Legacy, which91600:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.840



I've mentioned a few times, and it's about Sasquatch and91700:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.559



British Columbia, and we touched on the indigenous story, storytelling91800:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.960



and legends that became you know, where it started. And91900:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.800



then like I mentioned, we also went to Harrison Hot Springs,92000:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.400



which is like the Sasquatch capital of Canada, and worked92100:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.039



alongside Thomas Steinberg and Jerry Matthews to kind of hear92200:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.880



like the history of the Sasquatch research and these sightings92300:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.400



of Harrison Hot Springs investigated some locations like the Ruby92400:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.239



Creek sighting with Thomas, and then we also had an92500:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.920



investigation of sighting in the interior British Columbia that we92600:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.920



again I made kind of a wrap Aroundish story because92700:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.760



it was fairly recent and we've investigated that location where92800:48:00.800 --> 00:48:06.400



the sighting occurred and had some interesting things happen once again.92900:48:07.239 --> 00:48:08.559



So that was a really good and I learned a93000:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.519



lot from between Whend to Go and working on Sasquatch Legacy,93100:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.599



even though they really overlapped in filming, but as filming93200:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.519



of Sasquatch Legacy went along, I think I just became93300:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.599



a better filmmaker, more confident filmmaker, and just it was93400:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.440



great to work with these guys who are like legends93500:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.079



in the Sasquatch community. So if people are in distress93600:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.639



interested in Sasquatch from a Canadian perspective, I really hope93700:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.440



people check it out. And it's currently playing on Small93800:48:30.480 --> 00:48:36.760



Town Monsters YouTube channel. Next year, myself and Alexander Pettakoff,93900:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.119



who does a series for them called Bigfoot Beyond the94000:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.079



Trail and I are going to collaborate on a project94100:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.599



on Vancouver Island. So it's like We're going to Ape94200:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.480



Island here in Canada and tackling the Sasquatch stories on94300:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.079



Vancouver Island, and he's going to have a film out94400:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.760



of it. I'm going to have a YouTube special, and94500:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.000



I'm writing a book about the entire experience that we have.94600:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.960



Now for Sasquatch legacy.94700:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.320



Not that that's what this episode is about, but was94800:49:04.360 --> 00:49:09.320



there anything in that investigation or documentary that really caught94900:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.880



your attention evidence wise or even story wise that you're like, Yeah,95000:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.519



this tells more of the Sasquatch story than what I,95100:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.000



you know, previously knew.95200:49:21.840 --> 00:49:26.280



I thought it was interesting depending on who you talk to.95300:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.400



Some indigenous people are really open to talking about Sasquatch95400:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.559



and some just don't want to talk about Sasquatch because95500:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.880



they see it as a very it almost depending on95600:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.519



which tribe they have different belief systems. In some tribes95700:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.880



it's good, some tribes is evil. So that took me95800:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.400



by surprise. We came across a couple princes I thought95900:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.679



was really interesting that could have been potential prints. BC96000:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.800



is really bad for prince just by the nature of96100:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.440



the terrain. And then like when we were kind of96200:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.000



doing this investigation, at Kene. This gentleman Ken J. Moore experience.96300:49:59.159 --> 00:50:00.960



Right around the week we were getting there, he had96400:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.519



activity on his farm. It something went in to the96500:50:03.639 --> 00:50:07.320



kitchen the chicken coop, which was locked, went in and96600:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.039



just tore apart a whole bunch of their chickens and96700:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.679



dragged the remains out into the yard. Around the same96800:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.119



time that one night, their dogs went nuts and chased96900:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.480



something up a ridge behind their property and came back97000:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.320



twenty minutes later, like just terrified. The dogs were just terrified,97100:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.079



And literally you could draw a straight line from his97200:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.440



property to where the experience happened, like about fifteen minutes97300:50:29.480 --> 00:50:33.280



down the road. So, and we had something in the97400:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.079



woods with us there that you could smell it and97500:50:36.239 --> 00:50:37.079



it wasn't pleasant.97600:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.639



So been a lot of the gummends dominate denominator for sasquatch.97700:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.280



Yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting. So I97800:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.800



just I can't say it was a sasquatch. We didn't97900:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.480



see anything, you know what I mean. But you put98000:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.599



all these pieces together and something was there that was98100:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.199



predatory to me. The chicken coop was fascinating. That wasn't98200:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.239



just like a bear smashing in or a kaya well,98300:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.119



something had to open the door to get in to98400:51:02.199 --> 00:51:03.039



get to the chickens.98500:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.760



Okay, right, yeah, it's so that was pretty fusty. That's98600:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.000



definitely something that best stands out. You know, it's significant.98700:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.320



I think, you know, and I've said that has chickens98800:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.039



and she's not had any coyotes, her her cars are,98900:51:17.920 --> 00:51:20.760



her house and yard are fenced in, but she's seen99000:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.440



hawks dive, like dive bomb onto this fence. You know,99100:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.280



you try to get in, and it's clear that you know,99200:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.719



animals will do anything they can to get into these99300:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.199



chicken coops, and most of it is not always the99400:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.599



most brilliant ways. They trying to just break their way99500:51:36.639 --> 00:51:41.280



into metal. So when you see something that's unlocked the99600:51:41.320 --> 00:51:45.079



gate was able to walk in potentially and walk back out.99700:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.679



That's that's significant.99800:51:47.119 --> 00:51:50.880



That was that was really telling to us there's something99900:51:51.159 --> 00:51:55.039



something more going on there right now.100000:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.440



For everybody watching listening who want to dig deeper in100100:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.360



your work, where's the best place to find you and100200:52:03.480 --> 00:52:09.000



support your work and where can they find the upcoming projects?100300:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.039



I guess you know small Town Monsters small town monsters100400:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.519



dot com. You can find like Cursed Waters and Legend100500:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.719



of Og Pogo there, plus the book Heart of Ice,100600:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.719



Tracking the Wind to Go. Their YouTube channel currently has100700:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.760



Tracking the Whend to Go and Sasquatch Legacy, and that's100800:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.000



where the other projects will debut. They usually premiere on100900:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.519



their YouTube and then expand out onto different platforms from there.101000:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.280



You can find me on Instagram Jason Hewlett Official. That's101100:52:31.360 --> 00:52:32.920



usually a really good place to keep up with me.101200:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.719



And I'm on Facebook as well, Jason Hewlett. There's a101300:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.840



bunch of Jason Hewlett's on Facebook. So I'm a guy101400:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.079



that literally has the Sasquatch Legacy logo on as his101500:52:40.159 --> 00:52:43.000



cover photo at the time.101600:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.159



Well, that's why I was glad you shared the show101700:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.920



because I looked for you on Facebook. I'm like, I101800:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.920



can't find this guy and.101900:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.159



It's nothing that it right. So we get mixed up102000:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.440



a lot. But he writes like, you know, like inspirational,102100:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.400



It goes, does it. He's an inspirational and faith speaker. Okay,102200:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.519



we get confused, but once you start talking to this102300:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.440



rain like the time you realize this is a big difference.102400:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.079



Well, Jason, thank you so much for being on Pearatruth102500:53:07.159 --> 00:53:11.519



Reborn and we will definitely get you on it. Again102600:53:11.599 --> 00:53:15.679



to talk sasquatch as well, because again we love talking cryptids.102700:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.920



So I'm gonna put you into limbo for a second102800:53:19.960 --> 00:53:21.000



so we can close out the show.102900:53:21.360 --> 00:53:26.119



Just hold on for me, okay, you bet you? All right?103000:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.360



Any final thoughts on when to go?103100:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.800



I mean, they have always been in stand to be103200:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.440



creepy creatures, spirits. You know, here's the reason why we103300:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.199



talk about them as often as we do. You know103400:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.159



why people tend to never seem to get enough with them?103500:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.199



Right well, And the one thing I'll say is, you know,103600:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.480



if you're talking to somebody who's from indigenous culture or103700:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.920



indigenous background, be respectful. If they don't want you to103800:53:55.039 --> 00:53:59.480



talk about something, obviously, don't. It's it's not very nice103900:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.559



to talking about something that people don't.104000:54:03.360 --> 00:54:03.760



Want you to.104100:54:05.599 --> 00:54:12.679



So, believe it or not, Next week is not just Christmas,104200:54:14.280 --> 00:54:20.039



but the Paratruth Christmas episode as well. We're also going104300:54:20.119 --> 00:54:24.840



to be on Paranormal Hearts Christmas episode, so stay tuned104400:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.440



for that as well, which I believe, if I remember right,104500:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.280



comes out Tuesday as well. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah,104600:54:32.360 --> 00:54:38.519



we'll be on twice that right. So, and that's something104700:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.320



we've got to discuss is what do we cover because104800:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.519



we've covered so much for Christmas, and unless we just104900:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.920



make like an amalgam of all the stuff we've talked about.105000:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.239



But all right, folks, that's all we've got for this105100:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.159



week until next week, where you'll find us, same time,105200:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.880



same channel. My name is Justin and I'm Eric.105300:54:59.440 --> 00:55:08.599



He's bet