Dec. 17, 2025

Tracking the Wendigo: In Search of a Hungry Spirit w/Jason Hewlett

Did someone really see a Wendigo in the Canadian wilderness? In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik talk with author, investigator, and filmmaker Jason Hewlett about his new documentary Tracking the Wendigo and his companion book Heart...

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Did someone really see a Wendigo in the Canadian wilderness?

In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik talk with author, investigator, and filmmaker Jason Hewlett about his new documentary Tracking the Wendigo and his companion book Heart of Ice: Tracking the Wendigo. Together, they dig into the chilling witness report that sparked the investigation, the remote locations they explored, and what it means to chase a legend born from hunger, isolation, and taboo.

You’ll discover:
- The real story behind the reported Wendigo encounter
- How Jason approaches investigating a being rooted in Indigenous lore
- The emotional and spiritual weight of working with a “cannibal spirit” legend
- Why modern-day Wendigo reports might say more about us than we think
If you’ve ever felt the pull of the deep woods, this episode will make you think twice about what’s watching from the tree line.

Guest Bio:
Jason Hewlett is a paranormal investigator, researcher. author and filmmaker from British Columbia, Canada. He is the co-founder of the Canadian Paranormal Society, the co-creator, writer and director of the award-winning web series We Want to Believe, and the author of four books, the most recent being The Legend of Ogopogo: Canada's Loch Ness Monster from @SmallTownMonsters Publishing. He also appears in the Small Town Monsters documentaries Cursed Waters: Creature of Lake Okanagan and On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Origin. His latest book, Heart of Ice: Tracking the Wendigo, came out Oct. 6 from Small Town Monsters Publishing. It accompanied the documentary Tracking the Wendigo, which debuted Oct. 26. His latest documentary, Sasquatch Legacy, came out Dec. 7 from Small Town Monsters as well. He's also the host of Paranormal Theories, a weekly radio show on Sandcastle Radio out of Florida.


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There are legends that warn against whistling in the woods

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at night, not to follow voices that sound like someone

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you love, because some things don't hunt to survive, They

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hunt with unquenchable hunger for human flesh. Tonight on Paratruth Reborn,

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we're going deep into the frozen wilderness of Canada with

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investigator and filmmaker Jason Hewlett, the creator of Tracking a windogo,

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a documentary inspired by a modern witness who swears she

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encountered something that shouldn't exist. Was it a legend, a spirit,

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or a treature of sorts that still walks the forest today?

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Buckle up, because tonight we're Tracking the Wind to go Well,

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Go Well, do Para True True? What's up everybody? And

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welcome to Parachute Reborn. My name is Eric and I'm

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Justin and today we are joined by Jason Hewlett, who

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is a paranormal investigator, researcher, author and filmmaker from British Columbia, Canada.

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He's the co founder of the Canadian Paranormal Society, the

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co creator, writer and director of the award winning web

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series We Want to Believe, and appears in the Small

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Tongue Monsters documentaries, Cursed Waters, Creature of Lake Okay, ok oh,

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my goodness, I'm sorry, guys, fuckin Agen right? Is that

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how it said?

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Not?

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Uh? And on the Trail of Bigfoot The Origin. His

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latest book Heart of Ice, Tracking the Wind to Go,

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released on October sixth, published by Small Tom Small Time

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Monsters Publishing. It accompanied the documentary Tracking the Wind to Go,

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which debuted October twenty sixth. His latest documentary, Sashquatch Legacy,

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released on December seventh. He's also the host of Paranormal Theories,

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a weekly radio show on Sandy Castle Radio out of Florida. Jason,

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Welcome to Parachute Reborn. How's it going good?

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Good? Thanks so much for having me on at Okanagan

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is a tough word for people who aren't from the area.

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It really is.

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Sorry for messing that up. I even looked it up

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to you to make sure that's pronouncing it right earlier.

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It gets everybody if you're not from BC or Canada. Man,

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it's just to everybody. So it's cool.

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Lake Oga Pogo too. It's one of those is just

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not in our informal language.

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No, No, it's it's its own thing. It's it's all

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based on the indigenous languages up here, right. So well,

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now we have you on of course to talk about some.

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Wind of goldlore and documentaring the book in particular, But

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before we really dive into the need of this, what

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really first drew you specifically to Wind to Goldbore out

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of all the other entities and legends out there in

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all world.

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It started as a kid. Actually, I was a comic

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book nerd and I read like a lot of Marvel

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comics and one of my favorites as a kid growing

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up was The Incredible Hulk. And there was an issue

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of The Incredible Hulk from the early seventies, so obviously

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I found it second hand, but where the Hulk fought

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a creature called the Wendigo in Canada, and that was

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also the same issue that introduced Wolverine to the Marvel comics,

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and I just thought it was a cool comic book character,

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and so I would draw the wnd to go myself

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and my own comics as a kid, and it was

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portrayed there as just sort of this very white, hairy

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bigfoot with a tail, and the cannibalistic aspects where we're

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downplayed a bit, just sort of mentioned, but I thought

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it was a comic book, fella, until much later in

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life when I realized it was actually a very real

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indigenous story up here in Canada, and that there are

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people who believe there are these creatures who are currently

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wandering the forests hungry for human flesh. That's really where

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my interests started.

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That's awesome that I saw it in the documentary and

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then you're bringing up now because I read that EPI

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or that comic as well.

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Oh cool.

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I was a huge fan of Wolverine growing up, and

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when I saw that, yeah, i'd kind of known the

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one to go legend, but again not nearly as in

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depth as I do now. So it's kind of fascinating

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that kind of sparked your interest in it.

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I think you've got a lot of people if you're

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a kid reading comics around that era, you know, or

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even a little bit later right because its been republished

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in trade paced for back. But it was just I

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think it shows how the character is almost character, the

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Cryptid is so much more well known. I think in

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pop culture that amongst maybe cryptid lore r.

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One hundred percent.

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And as someone I don't know you see behind me,

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I got lay all these statues of DC comic characters.

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I'm a collector, and I and among many groups of collectors,

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they're often posting stuff where pre regularly about how they

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would love to see a statue of the Hawk versus

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the Wind to Go and they want this high and

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collectible of that. So it's something that is very very

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much popular in pop culture and is still gaining trash

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even today.

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Well I think that's why, you know, I'd say in

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the end, why the movie and the book exist from

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small town Monsters, Because it is well known enough and

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it's become more popular in the last twenty years. I

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think that when it was featured in the first season

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of the TV show Supernatural, that really pushed it into

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the modern modern lexicon, you know. And then the movie

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came out a few years ago called Antler's which is

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very much about the Weendigo. There's the video game Until

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Dawn which features When to Goes in it, and even

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a character named Jack Fiddler who was a very real

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When to Go hunter here in Canada. So I think

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it's just it's out there more and more and gaining

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this traction that it kind of just spoke to me,

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you know, Time to do a documentary about it that

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tackled the subject matter seriously and have a book to

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go along with it, because previously, I think the only

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real book was but Chad Lewis wrote called When to

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Go Law, which came out a few years ago, and

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his was I think the first really serious deep dive

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into the law surrounding it. And then so mine was

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sort of the next evolution of that.

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Now, what was the original report that landed on your

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desk and made you say, Okay, we have to follow this,

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we have to we have to document this.

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Well, I was kind of already researching it at the

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time the book. I didn't know if there's going to

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be a film or anything. But while I was researching it,

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I had heard from someone locally like they're someone that

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kind of knew, you know, casually kind of thing. We

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were talking. He's like, what are you working on? And

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I'm like, I'm working on a book about the Wendigo

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and he's like, my wife thinks she saw one actually

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just this past January, so this is going back to

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twenty twenty four, and basically, yeah, she was dry. They

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live in the community a half hour out of the

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town where I live, called Pintan, and she was driving

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home from work here in Kamloops where I live, and

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on the side of the road that she's getting into

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the community and it's rural and it's dark and it's

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not well lit, she saw something on the side of

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the road that was tall, wearing like a cloak and

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had kind of a deerest shaped head with antlers sticking up.

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And it's like literally one of those like you catch it.

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You kind of just register what you're seeing and it

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catches your eye and then it's gone. And she'd driven

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past it. But there had been issues the house where

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they were living, where there's some other paranormal activity, and

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her brother had been living there and struggling with addiction,

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which he had just kind of succumbed to. And her husband,

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who was a gentleman I was speaking to, kind of

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when he heard her description of it, looked it up

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and said, it sounds like you saw a wind to go,

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and of course the wind that goes like a consumptive spirit.

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So he kind of hypothesize it because of what had

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been going on with the brother and the other paranormal activity,

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this could be potentially what she saw, and that kind

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of kicked off an investigation that became part of the

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book and also the wrap around sequence in the actual

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documentary itself.

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Kay, one detail you actually just mentioned there about the

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Wind to Go is that she thinks she saw something

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with antlers. Antlers or horns is not something that's originally

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associated with the Wind to Go as far as I understand,

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ridging their aboad or had like.

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Patches of fur or something like that.

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the Wind to Go end up going from this bald

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headed creature to something with antlers? Is that something that's

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just more of the mind that's kind of developing this

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or does the spirit kind of manifests itself per you

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know the legends.

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It's interesting because when the Wenda Goes started, it wasn't

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even a creature. It was a state of mind. You

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thought you were being taken over by something that was

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making you want to eat your loved ones. You started

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seeing people as game, animals as food. So it's morely

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a psychological, more possessive state. And it wasn't until Elgernon

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Blackwood wrote his novella The Wend to Go that it

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was even portrayed as a creature, any kind of physical being.

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And yes, initially it was portrayed as a bald, almost

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rakelike creature, skeletal, very thin in the wood, sometimes the

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little patches of hair. And somehow, over like the last

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hundred years, these antlers have started showing up up on them.

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And I guess there's some indigenous tribes that would say

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it had antlers, and then woe said it didn't. But

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it's just one of those things that as this story

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has kind of gone on through time, it's been added

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to which was interesting. I mentioned the video game Until

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Dawn earlier, and in the video game they are when

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to Go are portrayed without ant okay, so you know,

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but the bar and even in that Supernatural episode it

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didn't have antlers either, right, right, But you know, no

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reason now it's it does. And that's just people think

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they see something that looks like it's got antlers in

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the woods. They're automatically saying, oh, that's a wender Go, right,

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or it could be anything. You could be misinterpreting something

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you're seeing, you know.

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Yeah, oh for sure. I mean I miss interpreted a

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pine tree once for a big pot, so I kind

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of understand it. It happens, right, But me and Justin

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and I we always mention this because there's sometimes like

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a mass influence that people have this idea of what

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certain entity or creature should look like, and then suddenly

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that creature starts taking on those attributes. And so I

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was wondering if maybe that could be the possible or

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a possibility at least for the Wind to Go suddenly

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developing these antlers because there are normal people who I'm

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assuming they find it more spooky that he has antlers

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or would have antlers, And because of so many people

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kind of the mind's melding together, it create this kind

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of you know, new entity or a new attribute to

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the entity that it takes on.

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I think. So I even kind of talk about that

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a bit in the book that I think, like I,

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you know, because of the wend to Go and how

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it's changed over time, and there's so many different interpretations

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of it, it feels like that, you know, did we

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did belief cretic a tulpa effect? Did the belief create

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suddenly this physical creature that's out there, you know, roaming

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the woods? And that to me and I hate explaining

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an unknown with another unknown, but I could see that

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happening that you just you know, and that you know,

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and it's changed over time and we're seeing it this way.

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So yeah, that that could be possible, right, And that's

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why now people are, you know, seeing these horned creatures

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roaming in the woods. I mean, I think people are.

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They get very excited, you know, something becomes more popular,

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They start seeing things, they misinterpreting other things. I had

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someone mentioned to me after, you know, you know, before

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the movie came out, that there's a barn near here

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that was possessed by a Wenda go And I'm kind

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of like, well, Wendo goes don't possess barns. You know,

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they kind of take over people, you know, if they're

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real at all. So I think you're right. The human

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mind in society and culture likes to kind of just

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shape things as it goes along.

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Now you've kind of gone over like what the what

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the origins of the Wind to Go are and kind

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of what made you really realize that this was something

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more than just a story. But one thing that I

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found really fascinating in the documentary is the story about

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swift Runners. So can you tell us a little bit

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about who swift Runner was and what your thoughts were

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on the on this story.

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Well, swift Runner was a cree hunter trapper guide for

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the Hudson's Bay Company, and you know, and worked with

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the Northwest Mounted Police, which are now of course are rocky,

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you know, our roal Canadian Mounted Police. And he was someone.

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He's where the story went from being sort of this

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indigenous myth and crossed over and to Canadian criminal law

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because he showed up in Saint Albert, Alberta seeing his

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family was dead and you know, they consumed in this

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died in this really harsh winter and there was no

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food and everything. But he was looking really fit. You know,

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he was a big guy anyways, but he's looking fitlye

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and starved at all. And at night he would start

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screaming in his sleep that a wendigo was trying to

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make its way into his room and take him over.

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And so what basically happened, To make a long story short,

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he eventually took people and the police to the Twattna

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Valley where his family had died, and it turned out

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that he had basically eaten them. He'd killed and eaten them,

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and they saw the remains of the family and bones

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and everything like that, and it basically came out that

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he had been he said, he was possessed by a

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wendigo and he ate his family one at a time,

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the last victim being one of his sons. And so

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he was taken to Fort Saskatchewan where he's basically tried

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and the first person legally hung in Western Canada. And

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even at Fort Saskatchewan when he was in these tiny

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jail cells, he was going on about that the wendago

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was still trying to get into his cell and eat him,

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not eat him, possess him, which would that of course

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make him to continue to eat people basically until he

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was stopped. So when he was finally hung, which was

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in a december, cold December day, he was he was ready.

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He was like, it took a long time, and he

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was really upset it was taking so long because he

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was just ready to die because he was so afraid

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that he would be possessed by this being.

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Sure, yeah, I the one thing that you mentioned on

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the documentary was or maybe with somebody else that you know,

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can you imagine that last son realizing, you know, that

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his dad ate all of the rest of his family,

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and then he was going to be the last one

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or the next one. And I can't even imagine, like

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even thinking back to like Jeffrey Dahmer's Victims and stuff

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like that. It's one of those things that it's like,

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it's frightening. And also the psychology that you had to

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have gone through to do those atrocities is something to

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be believed or understood. Because I couldn't eat my family,

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let alone another person period.

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So well, and that's where the psychosis comes into play, right,

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Like is this person is either really being possessed by

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something that's making them do this, or they believe it

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so strongly within their culture that when they suddenly they

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start having these urges or you know, or he could

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have just decided to kill and eat his family and

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he blamed it on the Wend to Go story, you

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know what I mean. And there's a whole bunch of possibilities,

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but regardless, it's yeah shot. There's Chad Lewis who relayed

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that because he was in the Twattna Valley in the

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middle of winter researching his book. I was there in May,

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so it was like nowhere near as cold and there's

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no snow, but it's a remote place. There's nothing around.

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Couldn't imagine back in late eighteen hundreds just being there

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and having this crime happen, and yeah, you're right, being

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the victims of this person doing that.

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Yeah, well, like like anthropic disorder too, yeah for were wolves.

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Yeah, it's it's that. There's actually a really good movie

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about that called where they sort of talked about that

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in the in the film and it was like, yeah,

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it's a rough topic, but yeah, there's these these parallels though,

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to these other stories around the world, which kind of

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makes you really wonder, like it's a chicken and egg kind.

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Of thing, right real. Yeah.

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Well, now, in regard to the actual legend of the

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Wind to Go, do we know exactly where it originated

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and what tribe it originated from?

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We just know it's it's primarily Algonquin Cree, Okay, the

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origins of it. Like like we say in the in

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the film, no one really knows where exactly the story started.

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We just know how it's supposed to work. You know

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what I mean. You you behave in a certain way

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that is selfish and detrimental to others, and the When

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to Go will come and take you over, make you

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eat your loved ones and then basically just keep committing

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these acts of murderous cannibalism until you're stopped. And it

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sounds really hard to stop a person when they become

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a wend to go. You either have to melt the heart,

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which turns to ice by pouring hot fluids down the

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throat to do that, which you got to think that's

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going to do incredible damage anyways, and then or you

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dismember the body and either burn it or sort of

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scatter the remains on like consecrated grounds. You kind of

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even can see parallels to the vampire story there as well,

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and even in some stories that we research, silver is needed.

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It needs to be a silver weapon, which doesn't, like

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you said, entropy and werewolves. So it's a really fascinating thing.

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And then obviously then at some point you once you

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were also and over you you became this monster curse

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to roam the woods, even eating yourself because you're so hungry.

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And this apparently you just keep going until you consume

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so much of your body that you're done.

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And that's where that whole idea of the whin they

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would have lips comes in too, where it would eat

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its own lips off and it's so hungry.

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Yeah, that's crazy, crazy story, right.

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That was another part of the legend. I had never

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heard before that the creature or person whatever starts eating themselves,

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not just other people.

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Yeah, that was new to me too, so as when

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Chad Lewis was kind of talking about that and Morgan

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knuds and I was like, holy cow, this is hardcore.

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Now. Was there a moment during the investigation where you're

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personally like, there's something to this, that this is real,

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there's something that makes this a genuine legend or a

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genuine story.

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Yeah, No, it was I kind of going up to

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Alberta to do my research, which is like the first

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thing I did, Like once I kind of knew that

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something was happening with this project, I went up to

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Alberta and I connected with Morgan Knudsen and Alicia Pearl

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Warner and Michael Brown and we spent several days kind

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of like tracking the whend to Go story starting with

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swift Runner and then all these other stories in the

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area and even some personal encounters that they'd had, and

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just the fact that people up there really believe this,

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like they still this is a serious, serious part of

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Alberta history and there are people who still believe that

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Wendegoes are out there and that you know, if you

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behave in a certain way, the WHND to Go can

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come and take you over, especially when you go into

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the smaller rural towns and people don't like talking about

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it and they don't even want you to mention the name.

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And I'm like, wow, like this is I've been investigating

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the paranormal for more than twenty years, but this is

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the first time where it's like it really seemed to

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scare people. Uh, these stories and this legend and and yeah,

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that they're having sightings to this day really struck me.

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So even there's kind of modern area of like high science,

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this is of this story rings true for a lot

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of people. And as I talked to more people and

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interviewed Chad Lewis, like he would say, that's the same thing.

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And you know, he's down in the States, and there's

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people that still believe, tribes down there of the Algonquincrete

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that still really believe the wind that goes a real thing,

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and it's really bad luck to talk about it. So,

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even though I can't say for sure, what I think

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the win to go is that there's something to it,

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and people believe in it very very strongly.

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Okay, yeah, now what is like So we aren't talked

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a little bit about pop culture, but what are some

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of the biggest misconceptions that you see in pop patry

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regarding the wind to Go that maybe people should be

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a little more hesitant about.

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Ooh, misconceptions. That's a tough one. I mean, it's it

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is primarily a cold weather thing. So if you're seeing

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like you know, people seem to think they're seeing them

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at all times of the year, but it's primarily a

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cold weather thing. It is related, you know, to cannibalism.

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It's not a skin walker. They're two completely different things.

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I seem to get mixed up a lot. Skin Walker

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is a person who can kind of change themselves into

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these other things. If you're a wend to Go is

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just like you are a wend to Go, and if

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you become a creature, you go from person to monster.

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That's kind of a really big one. I think a

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lot of stuff gets muddied, you know where I can't

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really pull one apart from the other. But you're not

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going to see Wendygo in Florida. I really doubt like

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that people we've had I've heard reports from Vancouver, Canada,

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and I don't know if I really believe that. I

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think people might be seeing something else and just distributing

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it to The Wend to Go. So that's a really

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hard question to answer because I think the story itself

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has been changed with time, and it would even change

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if based on different parts of Gonklin Creel. Yeah, that's

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a good one.

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Now, did you consult with any Indigenous elders or storytellers

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or anything like that on this project and how did

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their their perspective kind of shape your approach.

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The primary one that I got to talk to me

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I was really thankful for it was Alicia pro Werner,

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who's of the Cree tribe up in Edmonton and Northern Alberta.

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I did talk to a podcaster, and I really apologize.

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I can't remember her name off the top of my head,

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but she had an indigenous podcast. They did an episode

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on The Wend to Go and I couldn't interview her

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for the film, but I interviewed her for the book.

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And same with Amanda Quill, who's a paranormal investigator out

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of Vancouver. Again not for the film. But I interviewed

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here for the book, and that was really important to

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me to include that because here in Canada, all these

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stories are Indigenous stories, and as much as I can,

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I want them to be telling them. The hardest part

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is getting them to talk about them. I think one

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part they're very protective of their stories too. They take

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something like the When to Go really seriously and they

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don't see it as a good thing. You shouldn't be

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talking about it. And then the third part is that

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like white people like me have come in and taken

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their stories and kind of just run with them without

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bothering to consult them. So I think there's a fear

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that these stories are going to be misinterpreted or made

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to be more nightmarish than they are. Facts will be

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changed around, and I think that's already happened. We just

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sort of discussed that it's already happened with The When

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to Go anyways. But yeah, so it was really hard

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to find someone to talk about it. So I'm really

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thankful that I could find those three people, and that

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I could get Alicia like on camera talking about it

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and talking about her experience. I think that really added

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a lot to the documentary. And I could have recounted

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a lot of those things or got other people too,

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but I really thought it was important. I try to

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do this with every documentary I make, to get Indigenous

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people to tell their stories as much as they can

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or they want to.

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Well, something I've kind of heard a lot of is

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and it's kind of mentioned in the documentary to a

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lot of the evil entities. They don't want that legend

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spread because they believe talking about it will bring it

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to life or into reality.

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I could see that, like, you know, it's just like

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and I know, yeah, that was something when I was

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sort of even sort of in Alberta. You know, you

461
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.079
want to talk to people about it, and they just

462
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.519
kind of look at you funny, like why do you

463
00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.079
want to do that? Like you could just bring it

464
00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:29.039
upon yourself. I mean, I've said when to go so

465
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.240
many times in the last year and a half. I

466
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:33.559
haven't started hitting people yet. I know that's not something

467
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.000
I'm too worried about, but I know that people take

468
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.480
it seriously. You got to respect that at the same time,

469
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.759
and at the same time, these someone is going to

470
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.079
tell this story, and so I think if you're going

471
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:45.519
to tell it.

472
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.079
It needs to be told right right, Well, I think

473
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.920
also like again this creatures taken or spirit is taken,

474
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.680
taking up so much real real estate within pop culture world,

475
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.839
but also just within the paranormal community people who are

476
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.599
interested in knowing more, especially younger generations. Because back in

477
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.319
two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, when Justin

478
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.079
and I first started doing podcasting, we didn't say the

479
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:10.400
Wind to Go at all, We didn't use the name,

480
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.240
we didn't say it out loud. People were too afraid

481
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:13.359
of it. They didn't want to hear it, and if

482
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.440
they did, they would turn the readio off. Nowadays, yeah,

483
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.079
it's just throwing about like it's just any other creature,

484
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.839
any other story. And there's yet to be any harm

485
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.839
that I've noticed coming from right now. I'm not saying

486
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.759
that there won't be harm at some point for somebody

487
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.000
who knows. You know that situational I guess. Or it's

488
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:35.880
very dependent on the belief systems too, even you know,

489
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.920
it's like, if you don't believe in the Wind to Go,

490
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.039
can it really come to hurt you? Right as you

491
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.960
can think with any of these creatures that exist today,

492
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.039
whether it be big but we're you know, dog man

493
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.279
et cetera. But I always find that really interesting, just

494
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:56.039
how much time changes people's perspective and understanding on some

495
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.799
of these creatures and what they are willing to talk about,

496
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:00.920
you know nowadays.

497
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.319
No, I agree, Like I think I mentioned before going on,

498
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.160
like I was a journalist as a crime reporter for

499
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.559
ten years from two thousand and three to twenty fourteen,

500
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.920
and if I had mentioned that I was interested in

501
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.559
the paranormal and like to hunt ghosts, I would have

502
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.559
had zero credibility as a journalist, like none. I probably

503
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:23.279
would have lost my job. And now I'm making documentaries

504
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:24.920
about it, and I have a weekly radio show and

505
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:26.839
I write these books and I talk about it freely,

506
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.559
and everyone's like, cool, man, that's awesome. That shows how

507
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.599
much things have changed in twenty years. But you also

508
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.480
got to look over that time frame, like shows like

509
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.519
ghost Hunters came along, you know, in paranormal State, and

510
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.359
then Expedition Bigfoot and Expedition X and all this other stuff.

511
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:44.599
And as much as I think a lot of those

512
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.319
shows do the field harm because of the way that

513
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.759
they're portrayed, and that's a whole other conversation, it has

514
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.839
made it an acceptable thing to talk about right at

515
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.640
the same time and to get these conversations going. And

516
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:02.319
I think that's great because I think there's something to

517
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.279
all this, and I think it's a natural part of

518
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.160
our human experience and an experience on planet Earth and

519
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.319
a natural phenomenon. And I think once we understand it,

520
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.799
I think we'll understand ourselves and our planet a lot.

521
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:21.079
Better for sure. I Mean, I've believed in dragons for years,

522
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.960
and there's a dragon legend in almost every culture around

523
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:31.559
the world. So do I want dragons to come around?

524
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:35.400
Probably not. I've seen rain of Fire and the possible

525
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.920
future that might have, so yeah, No, I don't want

526
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.839
that future at all. But I would love to know

527
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.640
a lot of the where these legends come from, and

528
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:51.119
if they are real, why are we not finding them yet?

529
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.119
Yeah, And then that's the number one question, And that's

530
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.480
I think when you do get more into supernatural explanations, right,

531
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.960
And I mean the indigenous people with all these stories

532
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.000
every they were like, you know, Sasquatch is a spiritual being.

533
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.079
You know, o go Poco is a spiritual being. Hence

534
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.279
they're not always in our world and can move back

535
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.839
and forth. But the when to go whereas although like

536
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.720
where's something like a sea monster or a sasquatch could

537
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:20.200
potentially also have this cryptozoological like a zoological explanation. The

538
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:23.400
when that goes something else entirely, like it doesn't fit

539
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:29.079
into total cryptid and it's not exactly a possession story, right,

540
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.359
and it's kind of also a mental healthish do you know?

541
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.759
You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't fit into

542
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.920
this neat box. And I think that's what what to

543
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.200
me makes it so interesting.

544
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.480
I think that's what we're realizing with a lot of

545
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.759
these creatures. Now, Yeah, you can't just put them in

546
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:44.680
a single box.

547
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.119
No, they're marketing channel, you know, it's it's hard to

548
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.720
hard to pinpoint exactly who they are what they are.

549
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.240
You know, one question I do have for you to

550
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.880
reguarding this while we're on this topic, do you think

551
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:02.400
like that considering Bigfoot might be spiritual? You know, various

552
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.519
other cryptids spiritual.

553
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.240
This when to go possibly spiritual.

554
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.480
It was a time where none of these creatures, at

555
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.200
least in in the bad sense, weren't spiritual. They're supposed

556
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.559
to be physical beings, physical cryptids. Do you think people

557
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.440
considering them to be spiritual now is because they really

558
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.279
believe it to be spiritual or do you think it's

559
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.200
their way and investigative way of being able to say, oh,

560
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.920
I haven't been able to find a physical thing because

561
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.039
it isn't physical. Therefore, you know, it is just a

562
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.920
way to kind of save their pride even a way.

563
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.079
You think you know that that's really interesting because I

564
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.200
just had a documentary come out called Sasquatch Legacy, and

565
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:45.279
I met with like some veteran Sasquatch researchers like Thomas Steinberg,

566
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.200
Jerry Matthews, Bill Reid, and Brad Trent, who all worked

567
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.400
with like you know, Renee Dehinden and John Green and

568
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.079
all these like legends in the field. And they believe

569
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.160
if and they still talk about it this way after

570
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.599
like decades of research, if sasquatch is real, it's a

571
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:06.119
real being. If it's not real, that's why you haven't

572
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.599
found it yet, you know what I mean. And they

573
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.400
figure that we'll know just with the way technology is

574
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:13.599
going now, and you know the way that even large

575
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.039
tunnels under highways or if like cameras in it, that

576
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.640
in about five years we'll know for sure if a

577
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.720
Sasquatch is real or not. And they are very big

578
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.799
on the fact that they think people who go to

579
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.279
the paranormal realm for explanations are just like you're saying,

580
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.279
they're trying to keep the story alive. They can't figure

581
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.480
out a logical explanation, so it's just a way to

582
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.519
kind of push like a faith almost more so than

583
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.480
anything else. And I you know, I've investigated ghosts for

584
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.359
twenty five years, you know, and had experiences all my life.

585
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.160
I'm confident there's something to it. I can't tell you

586
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.880
if it's the spirit of the dead or whatnot, but

587
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.799
there's something to it. And so that's why, you know.

588
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.119
So it's like, could Bigfoot be something spiritual? I don't

589
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.680
think the indigenous people are wrong, but they attribute spiritual

590
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:04.240
explot to everything. Sure, right, And I've had experiences with

591
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.519
something in the woods. It's definitely seems a far more

592
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.960
physical than than than spiritual. So yeah, I think it's

593
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.960
I think that is. It's it's an excuse. Like I say,

594
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.119
I don't think it's good to explain it unknown with

595
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.640
another unknown. I think you have to approach some these things,

596
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:24.000
especially with good hardcore skepticism, and be okay with the

597
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.039
fact like, what would be so wrong if we prove

598
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.119
that Bigfoot isn't real? Right?

599
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:30.279
Right?

600
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.960
Right there you go. You solve the mystery, you know

601
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.240
what I mean. And it's cool that people believe in it.

602
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.839
I think it's a great story. But if you prove

603
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.920
that there's no such thing as sasquatch, then okay, that's

604
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:39.880
the problem solved. Next next subject.

605
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.920
Yeah, I think and I think that works best for

606
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.680
people who are open minded about sasquatch.

607
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:45.160
No.

608
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.839
On the on the flip side of there's people and

609
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.640
I was one of these people at one point where

610
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.359
you're just so so like committed to the fact that

611
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.759
this creature does exist, and everything you do is about

612
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.599
this creature existing, and then all of a sudden you

613
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.720
want doesn't that causes big kind of collapse on your foundation,

614
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.079
right because you're building yourself up on this foundation. So

615
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.400
for those that the people, it might be very very

616
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.359
difficult and very harsh for them. But yeah, I think

617
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.759
if we're open mind data in this especially in this world,

618
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:18.720
the paranormal world, the spiritual world.

619
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.759
Then we have nothing to really lose, just more to gain.

620
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:25.880
I agree, and I I've met a lot of the

621
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.480
people who I hate to use the term fanatical, but

622
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.400
who are just so want these things to be real,

623
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.519
Like you know what I mean, And it's just like, yeah,

624
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.240
you're right. It would literally kill the fiber of their

625
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.720
being to prod it once. But I mean that's I

626
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.720
think that's the risk of having too strong a belief

627
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.200
in anything, Like I think, you know, if you're going

628
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.200
to get into this line quote unquote line of work,

629
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.279
you need to be as skeptical as possible. And that's

630
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.440
how you can kind of I've been to places where

631
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.759
there's been stories about hauntings and we've had stuff happen

632
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.759
that we've been able to debunk, and we're not upset

633
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.359
that we debunked. It's like cool, because we've also had

634
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.119
things happen that we can't debunk and we have no

635
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.160
idea what it was that happened. So that's just part

636
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.799
of doing this. And just because you have one thing

637
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.599
happened that you can debunk doesn't mean that everything else

638
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.279
is bs same as if you have something that you

639
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:16.920
can debunk, doesn't mean that everything else that goes on

640
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.680
in that house or property is haunted. So everything's trying

641
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.200
to coach on our case by case basis.

642
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.160
Yeah, and we do the same thing when it comes

643
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.839
to like paranormal investigations dost in particular, and it's like

644
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.759
we can tell people, yeah, we believe that ghosts exists,

645
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.400
and this is the reason why it was the evidence.

646
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.039
But I can't replicate any of this evidence that we've captured,

647
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.319
so I can't actually tell you or Prudy that they

648
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.240
do exist. It's just what I've experienced, what I think

649
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.839
is true. Well, you know if it's not, if I'm wrong, hey,

650
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.599
it's a fun time.

651
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.960
Well and we'll still have those clients though, too that

652
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:54.519
you've you've done the investigation and you're like, we're not

653
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.359
getting anything. We don't think there's a haunting here. And

654
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.759
they're like, no, no, you guys are wrong. There's so

655
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.920
much stuff that's unexplained. You know there's there's ghosts here.

656
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.320
Yeah. I've had those people too. Man, let's spend hours

657
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.199
at a house and then nothing happened. None of the

658
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.840
things they ever explained came even fromtally close to happened, Like,

659
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.360
nothing happened. And when you looked at their their shelves,

660
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.760
they had like every ghost book and every episode of

661
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.000
like ghost Hunters, and it's like I think some people

662
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.880
just want to have to be a part of this

663
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.280
phenomena in whatever way, shape or form that they can.

664
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.840
I mean, there's people that say that they've sat with

665
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.199
tribes of Sasquatch, you know what I mean, and that

666
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.679
there's tribes of them and they have their whole culture.

667
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.119
And then the ones that are just roaming the woods

668
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.639
attacking people are like the outcasts and blah blah blah

669
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.519
blah blah. And it's like, where are you getting this from? Like, right,

670
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.760
how how have you believe this? And do you really

671
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.960
believe that it? Are you just selling a line because

672
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.760
you want to make some bucks? Like it just really,

673
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:59.480
you gotta no no right now.

674
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:07.360
One part of the documentary, you guys mentioned, you know,

675
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.559
let's hope that none of us get possessed by by

676
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.639
the wind to Go spirit because we're calling it. Was

677
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.360
there really that fear? Was it like a joke? Kind

678
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.480
of a nervous joke. What was that about?

679
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.719
It was just kind of a little bit of both.

680
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.440
Because you can't, in my mind, you can't consider yourself

681
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.400
a researcher investigator and cover your topic like the when

682
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.719
to go, especially at a place where there's been a

683
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.519
report of a sighting of one without conducting an investigation.

684
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.400
So that's what we did. So, you know, all Olivia

685
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.719
Aslin and I were the two people doing the investigation,

686
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.800
and we would decide that one part of that was

687
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.880
going to be using the SDS method, And for people

688
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.599
who don't know what that is, one person plugs their

689
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.360
earphones into a spirit box, which is an AMFM receiver

690
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.159
that spirit's supposed to communicate with, and was wearing the

691
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.599
headphones so he couldn't hear what I was saying. So

692
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.679
I would ask questions and then he would answer, I'm

693
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.159
not hearing the question that I asked. And I kind

694
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.360
of joked that because when the gooes are supposed to

695
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.280
possess people asked, Alli, if he's okay with that, that's

696
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.920
you know, there's a chance that that could happen, even

697
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:22.199
though I didn't really believe that it would. But what

698
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.599
do I know have happened?

699
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.840
Well, it's like calling a demon's name and expecting it

700
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:28.800
not to come around.

701
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.320
Yeah, exactly, So you just but so it was kind

702
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.880
of one part. I was pretty confident we would be okay,

703
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.840
but after having spent at that point about a year

704
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.159
researching it, and you know, filming parts of the documentary,

705
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.039
it's like, well, you got to kind of, you know,

706
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.840
also be half serious at the same time, and all

707
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.199
he was okay with it, and Sean had the rifle

708
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.719
and no one got shot, so everything was about no

709
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:54.400
one ate anyone.

710
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.480
So we're good, all good for all else.

711
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.920
But people called us both very brave and complete idiots.

712
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.400
Yeah for doing.

713
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.679
Fine line being genius and idiocy is yeah.

714
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.320
Yeah. I really liked how that turned the whole sequence

715
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.039
turned out in the documentary. It was a nice way

716
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:16.039
to kind of cap things off.

717
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.920
Well, now while you're actually in the field, like how

718
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.800
do you especially with the documentary, it's like, how do

719
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.960
you balance being a storyteller an investigator, but also being

720
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.039
a human being who can still be scared and frightened

721
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:30.519
by things.

722
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.599
You just film what happened. That's how I've I approached this.

723
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:38.760
I don't know what's going to happen, And when you

724
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.800
do an investigation for a documentary like this, you have

725
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.960
no idea what's going to happen, and so you're going

726
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.559
completely open minded. You conduct your investigation and you film

727
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.480
it and then kind of whatever happens happens. All I

728
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.800
knew with Tracking the Wind to Go with that investigation

729
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:55.679
that we shot that it was going to be the

730
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.320
wrap around segment for the documentary. That's the only thing

731
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.480
I really knew. I wanted it to be, so whatever happened,

732
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.440
good or bad, it would be kind of the beginning

733
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.639
and end with sort of the beginning of the investigation,

734
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.119
the setup, and then I really wanted kind of the

735
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.320
last act of the documentary, after we've done all this

736
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.119
other stuff, to kind of be the culmination in this investigation.

737
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.800
I think one part, because people enjoy watching that kind

738
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.159
of thing, especially when you get the night vision out

739
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.000
and all that, and if something happens, it can be

740
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.800
dramatic and it can be very memorable. And you know,

741
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.400
I always believe that the one thing people remember most

742
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.760
about any book or story is how it ends. You

743
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.519
can have like the best movie in the world, and

744
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.639
if the ending sucks, that's what you remember. Ever remembers

745
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.440
the ending of The Sopranos and hates it, but they

746
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.840
forget there's like eight great seasons of TV before that.

747
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.679
So however the investigation went, would definitely be how people

748
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.199
left Tracking the WHND to Go feeling.

749
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.840
That's how I felt about Supernatural when it ended, they

750
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.519
couldn't have ended it any other way, but it was

751
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.760
still a stupid ending, but just because I loved the

752
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.320
show that much. But yeah, you always have to end

753
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.920
the story, and not everybody's always gonna agree with it, unfortunately.

754
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.800
No, I felt at least people who like watching investigations

755
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.880
would enjoy the investigation, and once it was shot, I

756
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.519
knew that we had some stuff happen that would at

757
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.239
least be compelling enough for people to watch and enjoy it.

758
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.159
Even though we basically spoiler alert people haven't seen it.

759
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.639
We were inconclusive as to what we experienced in the

760
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.639
woods that night, but I thought it was just it

761
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.280
was interesting, it was fun to do those Those are

762
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.239
like the fun parts of the shoot, really.

763
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.519
Right, But now so it was inconclusive. How does that like?

764
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.079
Do you stay awake at nights sometimes think like what

765
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:37.559
was that?

766
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:38.480
What really was that?

767
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.079
Or is it just you know not how to say?

768
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:41.559
Out of mind?

769
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.159
It's it was conclusive and that's it, you know, Like.

770
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.360
That's a good one. Like I've I've had stuff happen

771
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.960
maybe that I haven't filmed, but that you have been investigating.

772
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.320
It makes you think, like for a long. You still

773
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.679
ponder what that was with the when to go shoot?

774
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.719
Like what I'm really curious about what off that UFO

775
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:05.280
trigger object because it's you know, it's was behind me

776
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.639
the sensor face and the other way, and it was

777
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.840
a change in temperature that's supposed to set it off,

778
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.480
and it went off, and you know, all he was

779
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.400
looking at it. I had my back to it, but

780
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.199
it just went off on its own. We've been walking

781
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.000
around it for like, you know, an hour, nothing set

782
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.480
it off. So what was that? That kind of puzzle

783
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.800
about that for a bit. But I had begun post

784
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.559
production on the Sex Squash Legacy documentary at the same time,

785
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.199
so I was kind of filming two things, almost wrapping

786
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.880
one up and starting another, so I didn't have time

787
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.880
to dwell too much on it, unfortunately. I mean, I

788
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.760
go back on when we were doing editing and I'm

789
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.119
kind of like, I wonder what did Ali when we

790
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.880
were doing the SDS method, because I asked the question,

791
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.000
you know, are you hungry? And it responded, there's you

792
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.119
got he said, we are. It's like, what was that?

793
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.400
You was like, was that a Wendigo spirit? Did we

794
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.159
like just narrowly missed the whole the worst case scenario.

795
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.920
On that or what well, and only that it didn't

796
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.079
say I it's sh it said we yeah, so that's

797
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.079
multiple you get it.

798
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.400
That's demonic lore. Oh yeah, we are legion?

799
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.840
Yeah right that.

800
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.719
Yeah, who knows? Man? Like that was just to me

801
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.840
that that was almost the big stumper. You know, they

802
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.360
keep talking, So that's the question about are you hungry?

803
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.239
And we are? But then that that was it? Right? No, Now.

804
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.440
I have a problem with this as well. But how

805
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:34.880
do you how do you separate it? It could be

806
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.199
in general, but even specific to this case, what might

807
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.719
be paranormal from what could be trauma, stress, or suggestion

808
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.519
in a witness experience, or even mental illness or mental state.

809
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:53.119
Oh that's that's one. Yeah, that's a that's a tough one, man.

810
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.840
It's because I understand how much all of that can

811
00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:02.039
influence someone's experience. I find it really interesting that a

812
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.639
lot of people who experience paranormal phenomena or trauma survivors

813
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.360
in some way, shape or form. Is it the mind

814
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.960
trying to make sense of things? It could be, But

815
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.800
you also have experiences where multiple people are experiencing the

816
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.199
same thing at the same time, and not everybody. There

817
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:27.280
could be you know, have gone through the similar trauma

818
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.599
or something. So I think there's a correlation for sure.

819
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.119
Does trauma make you more susceptible to the paranormal? Does

820
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.239
open your mind up more to it? Does being a

821
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.960
victim of trauma draw the paranormal to you? I think

822
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000
those are big possibilities, But I think you got to

823
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.199
also take into account mental health. I mean by my

824
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.559
colleague Pete is an investigator for an ordained exorcist out

825
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.960
of Washington State, and a big part of the process

826
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.280
is if someone thinks they're possessed, they got to go

827
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.039
through a proper psychological, psychological evaluation and check for mental health.

828
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.039
I've been in people's home that say their places are haunted,

829
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.280
and usually the homeowner leaves and one of the first

830
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:06.960
things I do is look going to the bathroom and

831
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.039
look for medication that could suggest things. Right, Sorry, folks,

832
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.679
but it's just fibing that out now. But you got

833
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.679
to take that into consideration. You have to.

834
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.559
I think most you know, paranormal investigators and even clients

835
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.559
now realize that, you know, a paranormal investigator has to

836
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:32.280
eliminate mental illness out and a lot of times, you know,

837
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.440
us as investigators will ask is there any mental illness involved?

838
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.000
And some people are truthful saying oh yeah, you know,

839
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.360
I take this or that for schizophrenia or you know whatever,

840
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.000
and then like you're saying, there's plenty more that don't

841
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.679
and you still have to investigate to see if it

842
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:51.480
was a lie.

843
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.320
Oh yeah, and even like are you are you abuser

844
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:56.159
of drugs and alcohol?

845
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:56.920
Right?

846
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.559
Have you been drinking or taking drugs when these experiences

847
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.239
have happened, Like, it's all got to be taken into consideration,

848
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.679
right when you're doing these things, don't don't drink and investigate.

849
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.199
This is also a good rule.

850
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.280
Of well, it's like and we've told people, you know,

851
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.800
it's better that you just tell us the truth up

852
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.760
front rather than us finding out about it during the investigation.

853
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.960
That's going to screw up credibility big time, huge.

854
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.800
And if they're honest and forthright about it. And then

855
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.159
then you're doing an investigation and you experience something you

856
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.440
can't explain and there you.

857
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:34.119
Go, right right, yeah, Well, now, so with this film,

858
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.840
do you feel or did you feel a responsibility to

859
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.639
the witness at the heart of this case, and if so,

860
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:43.199
how did that guide the way you told the story?

861
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.480
Yeah? I think I think with anything, like any any interviewee,

862
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.920
you've you've you owe them, you know, doing the best

863
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.920
possible job you can to relay their experience. I think

864
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.679
that was something that was drilled into me as a journalist,

865
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.960
like you're telling people stories, so you've got to be

866
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.119
respectful and do the best possible job you can, even

867
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:05.519
if you don't necessarily believe it, like that's your job.

868
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.679
There's a documentary filmmaker, I think it's the exact same thing,

869
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.239
so you know, I mean it was cool, like, oh wow,

870
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.800
there's like an alleged wend Togo signing like a half

871
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:15.199
hour from where I live, and I'm working on a

872
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:16.960
book about it, and I'm going to make a documentary.

873
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:21.559
Great because that is great material, but you don't exploit it.

874
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.559
They didn't want to be on cameras, so that's fine.

875
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.960
They're okay with using the audio from the interview for

876
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.960
the book. That was great, So figure out a way

877
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.239
to incorporate that into the film in a respectful manner.

878
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.239
Left out certain details that didn't need to be in

879
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.440
there in terms of just talking about, you know, how

880
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.400
much her brother's dying was like you know what I mean, like,

881
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.000
you don't glorify it. And then there's the siding. We

882
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:43.840
find a location as close as we can to where

883
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.800
it was, and it's good to work. Now.

884
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.800
Have you had any pushback or strong reactions, both positive

885
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.920
or negative from people who have seen the film or

886
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:56.639
even read the book?

887
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.840
Yeah, most largely positive. You know, I don't like to

888
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.079
read YouTube comments too much. The negative ones are the

889
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:10.199
typical what you'd expect what I'm yeah, yeah, the usual kind.

890
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:11.880
But most people have been really good about it.

891
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:12.199
I know.

892
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.679
I used in order to sort of thread things together

893
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.039
because just the nature of the project and timeline, I

894
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.599
had to use you know, some AI to kind of

895
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.760
just more to thread scenes together, like nothing that was

896
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.360
actually part of the actual story, but just like some

897
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.719
graphics and stuff that I didn't really just more out

898
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.559
of necessity. People didn't like that, I get it. The

899
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.440
next film, Sasquash Legacy, had like almost none and the

900
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:36.920
project I'm working on now has zero. But that was

901
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.119
more done just because you've got to thread things together,

902
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.800
and I needed just images to lock stories together. I

903
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.960
couldn't I couldn't afford to hire create a whnd to

904
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.280
go suit or to hire actors to reenact the swift Runner,

905
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.880
you know what I mean, like in period clothing and

906
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.599
a fort like you just there's certain things you just

907
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.000
can't do right. But that was really yet largely people

908
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.320
really like it. The fact is the views continue to climb.

909
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.159
People are still watching it and still discovery it and

910
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:02.000
still buying the book.

911
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.480
And I think that just speaks where it's alf that's awesome.

912
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.280
So I we are coming up to the end of

913
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.480
the show here, But what's next for you? Any forthcoming investigations,

914
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.400
films or other books we should keep an eye out for.

915
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:19.800
I just last week last Sunday released Sasquatch Legacy, which

916
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.840
I've mentioned a few times, and it's about Sasquatch and

917
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.559
British Columbia, and we touched on the indigenous story, storytelling

918
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.960
and legends that became you know, where it started. And

919
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.800
then like I mentioned, we also went to Harrison Hot Springs,

920
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.400
which is like the Sasquatch capital of Canada, and worked

921
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.039
alongside Thomas Steinberg and Jerry Matthews to kind of hear

922
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.880
like the history of the Sasquatch research and these sightings

923
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.400
of Harrison Hot Springs investigated some locations like the Ruby

924
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.239
Creek sighting with Thomas, and then we also had an

925
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.920
investigation of sighting in the interior British Columbia that we

926
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.920
again I made kind of a wrap Aroundish story because

927
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.760
it was fairly recent and we've investigated that location where

928
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:06.400
the sighting occurred and had some interesting things happen once again.

929
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:08.559
So that was a really good and I learned a

930
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.519
lot from between Whend to Go and working on Sasquatch Legacy,

931
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.599
even though they really overlapped in filming, but as filming

932
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.519
of Sasquatch Legacy went along, I think I just became

933
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.599
a better filmmaker, more confident filmmaker, and just it was

934
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.440
great to work with these guys who are like legends

935
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.079
in the Sasquatch community. So if people are in distress

936
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.639
interested in Sasquatch from a Canadian perspective, I really hope

937
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.440
people check it out. And it's currently playing on Small

938
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:36.760
Town Monsters YouTube channel. Next year, myself and Alexander Pettakoff,

939
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who does a series for them called Bigfoot Beyond the

940
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Trail and I are going to collaborate on a project

941
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on Vancouver Island. So it's like We're going to Ape

942
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Island here in Canada and tackling the Sasquatch stories on

943
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Vancouver Island, and he's going to have a film out

944
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of it. I'm going to have a YouTube special, and

945
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I'm writing a book about the entire experience that we have.

946
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Now for Sasquatch legacy.

947
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Not that that's what this episode is about, but was

948
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there anything in that investigation or documentary that really caught

949
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.880
your attention evidence wise or even story wise that you're like, Yeah,

950
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this tells more of the Sasquatch story than what I,

951
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you know, previously knew.

952
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:26.280
I thought it was interesting depending on who you talk to.

953
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Some indigenous people are really open to talking about Sasquatch

954
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.559
and some just don't want to talk about Sasquatch because

955
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they see it as a very it almost depending on

956
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.519
which tribe they have different belief systems. In some tribes

957
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.880
it's good, some tribes is evil. So that took me

958
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by surprise. We came across a couple princes I thought

959
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.679
was really interesting that could have been potential prints. BC

960
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.800
is really bad for prince just by the nature of

961
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.440
the terrain. And then like when we were kind of

962
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.000
doing this investigation, at Kene. This gentleman Ken J. Moore experience.

963
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:00.960
Right around the week we were getting there, he had

964
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activity on his farm. It something went in to the

965
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kitchen the chicken coop, which was locked, went in and

966
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just tore apart a whole bunch of their chickens and

967
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dragged the remains out into the yard. Around the same

968
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.119
time that one night, their dogs went nuts and chased

969
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.480
something up a ridge behind their property and came back

970
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.320
twenty minutes later, like just terrified. The dogs were just terrified,

971
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.079
And literally you could draw a straight line from his

972
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property to where the experience happened, like about fifteen minutes

973
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:33.280
down the road. So, and we had something in the

974
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.079
woods with us there that you could smell it and

975
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:37.079
it wasn't pleasant.

976
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.639
So been a lot of the gummends dominate denominator for sasquatch.

977
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.280
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting. So I

978
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.800
just I can't say it was a sasquatch. We didn't

979
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see anything, you know what I mean. But you put

980
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.599
all these pieces together and something was there that was

981
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.199
predatory to me. The chicken coop was fascinating. That wasn't

982
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.239
just like a bear smashing in or a kaya well,

983
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.119
something had to open the door to get in to

984
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:03.039
get to the chickens.

985
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.760
Okay, right, yeah, it's so that was pretty fusty. That's

986
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.000
definitely something that best stands out. You know, it's significant.

987
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.320
I think, you know, and I've said that has chickens

988
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and she's not had any coyotes, her her cars are,

989
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:20.760
her house and yard are fenced in, but she's seen

990
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.440
hawks dive, like dive bomb onto this fence. You know,

991
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.280
you try to get in, and it's clear that you know,

992
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.719
animals will do anything they can to get into these

993
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.199
chicken coops, and most of it is not always the

994
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.599
most brilliant ways. They trying to just break their way

995
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:41.280
into metal. So when you see something that's unlocked the

996
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:45.079
gate was able to walk in potentially and walk back out.

997
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.679
That's that's significant.

998
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:50.880
That was that was really telling to us there's something

999
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something more going on there right now.

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For everybody watching listening who want to dig deeper in

1001
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.360
your work, where's the best place to find you and

1002
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:09.000
support your work and where can they find the upcoming projects?

1003
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.039
I guess you know small Town Monsters small town monsters

1004
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.519
dot com. You can find like Cursed Waters and Legend

1005
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.719
of Og Pogo there, plus the book Heart of Ice,

1006
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.719
Tracking the Wind to Go. Their YouTube channel currently has

1007
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.760
Tracking the Whend to Go and Sasquatch Legacy, and that's

1008
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.000
where the other projects will debut. They usually premiere on

1009
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.519
their YouTube and then expand out onto different platforms from there.

1010
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.280
You can find me on Instagram Jason Hewlett Official. That's

1011
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:32.920
usually a really good place to keep up with me.

1012
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.719
And I'm on Facebook as well, Jason Hewlett. There's a

1013
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.840
bunch of Jason Hewlett's on Facebook. So I'm a guy

1014
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.079
that literally has the Sasquatch Legacy logo on as his

1015
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cover photo at the time.

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00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.159
Well, that's why I was glad you shared the show

1017
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.920
because I looked for you on Facebook. I'm like, I

1018
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.920
can't find this guy and.

1019
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.159
It's nothing that it right. So we get mixed up

1020
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.440
a lot. But he writes like, you know, like inspirational,

1021
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.400
It goes, does it. He's an inspirational and faith speaker. Okay,

1022
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.519
we get confused, but once you start talking to this

1023
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.440
rain like the time you realize this is a big difference.

1024
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.079
Well, Jason, thank you so much for being on Pearatruth

1025
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Reborn and we will definitely get you on it. Again

1026
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to talk sasquatch as well, because again we love talking cryptids.

1027
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So I'm gonna put you into limbo for a second

1028
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so we can close out the show.

1029
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Just hold on for me, okay, you bet you? All right?

1030
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.360
Any final thoughts on when to go?

1031
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.800
I mean, they have always been in stand to be

1032
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.440
creepy creatures, spirits. You know, here's the reason why we

1033
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.199
talk about them as often as we do. You know

1034
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.159
why people tend to never seem to get enough with them?

1035
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.199
Right well, And the one thing I'll say is, you know,

1036
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.480
if you're talking to somebody who's from indigenous culture or

1037
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.920
indigenous background, be respectful. If they don't want you to

1038
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:59.480
talk about something, obviously, don't. It's it's not very nice

1039
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.559
to talking about something that people don't.

1040
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Want you to.

1041
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:12.679
So, believe it or not, Next week is not just Christmas,

1042
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:20.039
but the Paratruth Christmas episode as well. We're also going

1043
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:24.840
to be on Paranormal Hearts Christmas episode, so stay tuned

1044
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.440
for that as well, which I believe, if I remember right,

1045
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.280
comes out Tuesday as well. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah,

1046
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:38.519
we'll be on twice that right. So, and that's something

1047
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.320
we've got to discuss is what do we cover because

1048
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.519
we've covered so much for Christmas, and unless we just

1049
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.920
make like an amalgam of all the stuff we've talked about.

1050
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.239
But all right, folks, that's all we've got for this

1051
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.159
week until next week, where you'll find us, same time,

1052
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.880
same channel. My name is Justin and I'm Eric.

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He's bet
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Jason Hewlett

Jason Hewlett is a paranormal investigator, researcher. author and filmmaker from British Columbia, Canada. He is the co-founder of the Canadian Paranormal Society, the co-creator, writer and director of the award-winning web series We Want to Believe, and the author of four books, the most recent being The Legend of Ogopogo: Canada's Loch Ness Monster from Small Town Monsters Publishing. He also appears in the Small Town Monsters documentaries Cursed Waters: Creature of Lake Okanagan and On the Trail of Bigfoot: The Origin. His latest book, Heart of Ice: Tracking the Wendigo, came out Oct. 6 from Small Town Monsters Publishing. It accompanied the documentary Tracking the Wendigo, which debuted Oct. 26. His latest documentary, Sasquatch Legacy, came out Dec. 7 from Small Town Monsters as well. He's also the host of Paranormal Theories, a weekly radio show on Sandcastle Radio out of Florida.