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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we will be talking to J.
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Allen Daniluk about his.
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Book, Ghosts Explained. Welcome to Paratruth.
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What's going on, Paratroothers? Welcome to another episode of Paratrooth Reborn.
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My name is Justin. And I'm Eric.
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And tonight, we're tackling probably one of the biggest subjects
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in the paranormal world. You guessed it.
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Ghosts.
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People report it. encounters with apparitions and spirits for thousands
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of years. And here's the question we don't ask nearly enough.
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What exactly do we mean when we say.
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Something is a ghost?
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Our guest tonight will help us answer that very question. Jeff,
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welcome to Paratroop Reborn.
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Well, thank you guys. Appreciate being here.
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Appreciate you being here as well. So before we get
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into the book itself, Ghosts Explained, How did you start
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your journey in the paranormal?
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Well, I was one of those weird kids growing up
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that liked the Bermuda Triangle and UFOs and Bigfoot and
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all that stuff. And I just always was fascinated by
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the subject. And I went on and had my life.
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And then when I hit my 40s, I thought, you know,
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I should turn this interest into something more useful. So
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I began writing about it, doing my research, putting it
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into book form. And I was lucky enough to get
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Llewellyn Publishing to pick up my first books. And so
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I've put out about, I don't know, eight or nine,
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10 books since then on different paranormal subjects and have
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enjoyed it immensely every minute of it.
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Awesome.
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Nice.
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Well, you know, one of the things that had Justin
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and I really gravitate toward you and your publications is
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that your book occupies this kind of interesting middle ground
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that we both respect and follow as well. And that
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is kind of a middle ground between hardcore paranormal belief
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and skepticism. Why was that kind of perspective particularly important
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to you in writing this book?
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I think I have always been kind of a skeptic
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at heart. When people tell me stories, I'm always trying
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to figure out, is this real? Is this something I
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can investigate? Is it something I can explain away? So
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I've always approached those subjects from that perspective. That's not
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to say I don't have my own beliefs, and I
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do try to express them. But as I said earlier,
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my beliefs are really not dyed in the wool. My
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whole identity is not built around them. So I just
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try to look at both sides if I can, and
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I find that that is really the only way that
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you're going to find out anything of value is just
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by looking at both sides of it.
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Yeah.
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Now, in this society, in this day and age, we
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use the word ghost constantly. But what exactly are we
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talking about here when we use the word ghost? Or
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in your opinion, what does that word mean?
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Well, in my book, I define a ghost very specifically
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as a conscious energy from a once living human being.
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So in other words, it's not an angel. It's not
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a demon. It's not a spirit guide. It's not an
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extraterrestrial or anything like that. It's an actual human being
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who has since passed, whose consciousness continues to exist in
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some degree within the physical realm and can be, under
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the right circumstances, can manifest itself and be contacted with.
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Okay.
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Well, now, when you say ghosts, it's literally... just people's spirits,
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not necessarily anything other than that. Um, but in your opinion, like,
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are there other things that can be contacting us?
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Yeah, absolutely. I believe that the spiritual realm is filled
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with all kinds of different entities. Some of them have
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been in human form or physical form before. Others have
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never been in physical form. These are, you would call ghosts,
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I suppose. And, Some of these entities are on a
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very high vibrational frequency, and some of them are very
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low vibrational frequency. Those are what you would call, I guess,
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your demons or your malevolent spirits. But I do believe
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that the spiritual realm is filled with a lot of
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different entities that we can sometimes get in contact with
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under the right circumstances.
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And belief in ghosts actually appears... In cultures around the world,
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we have been hearing about ghosts since ancient times. We've
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seen writings about it. We've heard stories about it. How
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significant do you find that universality? Why does it seem
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so popular and so prominent within culture?
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I always thought that whenever something has a historical roots
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to it, it tends to give it a bit more validity.
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I kind of look at the same thing with Bigfoot.
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this creature has been around for generations, to me, that
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takes it out of the modern context and puts it
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back into a more, it gives it a substantial foundation
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is what I'm trying to say. So when something exists
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in a lot of different cultures and it crosses different
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cultural barriers, different cultures that have never contacted each other,
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You have to look at that as not as proof, obviously,
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but as evidence that there's something going on on a
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pretty basic level.
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So before we talk, like get into the deep talk
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about ghosts, we should probably address what consciousness is. What
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do we actually understand about consciousness right now?
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Oh, that's a big question. Consciousness, there's a big debate, obviously.
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It's been around for a long time. What is the
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source of consciousness? Is it something that's generated by the
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brain itself? And then once we die, that consciousness vanishes?
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Or is it something that exists outside of ourselves? And
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the brain acts not as a transmitter, but as a receiver.
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One of the theories that I work with that I
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think is very valid is, is that consciousness is a field.
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It's the primary cause field behind everything that exists. And
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when we are born, our brain acts like a receiver
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and actually pulls in that consciousness like a radio signal.
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as a unique personality. And this is basically, to me,
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what actually survives our physical death is this collection of thoughts, experiences,
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beliefs that continues to exist in that form even after
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the brain is no longer active. So that's kind of
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the short answer.
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Yeah. So, I mean, with that said, if we are
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considering that the consciousness can exist independently of the physical
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body and that these are thoughts and emotions that exist,
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how do we, and I don't know if you actually
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had the answer to this or if you have a
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theory maybe, but how do we discern or can we
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figure that like why some ghosts may be intelligent while
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others tend to be more residual and just in a
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repetitive state of time rather than, you know, able to
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talk to us.
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Yeah. When you're talking about ghosts, you're talking about not
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just intelligent honkings. You're also talking about residuals and a residual,
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as I understand it, is where the, uh, an experience
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or an event is imprinted upon the environment itself and
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replays itself under certain circumstances. This is where you might
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see a battle being played out that happened 100 years
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ago because it has kind of a residual effect. Or
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you might have an individual who once occupied a particular
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location who, for whatever reason, they got imprinted into the environment.
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So even after they're gone, you still might see them
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moving about their home or whatever. And the idea here
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is that this is not truly a ghost. This is
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more of an afterimage of a ghost, sort of like
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a videotape being replayed. The person in the videotape no
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longer exists, but you can still watch it over and
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over again. As opposed to an intelligent haunting where you
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have an entity which is not residual, but is actually
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capable of speaking with you or understanding you or following instructions.
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This is something like a ghost ship or an airplane
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or something like that that's not a physical thing, but
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actually exists as an element of the spirit itself. So,
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for example, a pilot who was killed in World War II,
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let's say, might manifest inside his airplane. So you would
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actually see the airplane itself as part of the manifestation.
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an interesting idea that you are creating these elements around
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yourself as a disembodied energy. So it's something to think
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about when you think about do pets, are there such
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a thing as ghost pets? And I believe that some
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people can actually manifest these creatures that were close to
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them in life and actually appear with their pet. So,
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I mean, the idea, this is why I like to
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write the book is because there's so much complexity to it.
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You have to kind of really work your way through
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it and find out all these different theories.
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You know, I've never actually thought about the idea of,
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I mean, obviously it makes sense. Like why would a
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ship have a spirit? Why would it have a ghost
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that's floating on the sea, you know, or a plane
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in the air, unless it is somehow tied to the
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consciousness of those who had perished on that particular vessel?
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You know, and that's, it's funny how many years you've
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been doing this and there's still enlightenment out there. Like
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never thought about it. Never even crossed my mind. That's
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kind of wild to think about.
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It'll blow in there. Whoa, wait a second. Okay. Cool.
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I got your thinking there. Yeah.
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Well, like Eric mentioned, I mean, we've been doing this
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for 18 years, technically probably 19 years doing the paranormal
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investigations because we started that before we started doing podcasting.
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In your opinion, like, rare example maybe, but, um, a, a,
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how can you tell the difference like for a intelligent
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versus residual? If you're asking questions or, or you're asking
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for something and that residual is doing something and it
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seems like it's an answer and it's not.
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Well, I'm not quite clear if I completely understand your question,
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but I will say that how you can tell if
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you're dealing with residual is is often it'll just ignore you.
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It'll just go about its business doing its thing. And
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if it interacts with you in any way, it's probably
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not a residual. It just may be a spirit which
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has a routine that it goes through quite frequently, and
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it just happens to appear to you at one point.
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So that's kind of the biggest difference, is a residual
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obviously doesn't know you're there and just continues on as
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though you don't exist.
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I'm going to follow up with a question regarding that.
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So if we're considering a residual haunting, this is a timestamp, right?
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In a preexistent point of time where this spirit may
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have had a lot of energy stored, it could have
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been any reason whatsoever that this spirit or this energy
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is there. But I tend to think of residuals similar
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to a ripple in a lake. And when it first happens,
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when the first death happens or the first time it shows,
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it's strong. But then throughout time, it slowly starts to
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dissipate over a.
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Course of time.
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But one thing that I've heard constantly from a number
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of people that we've had on is that spirits, whether
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residual or otherwise, can feed off the energy that we
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bring into a home or an area. So in regards
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to Justin's question and your answer, definitely. Do you find
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or have you found that when it comes to residual haunting,
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depending on someone's own energy and what they bring to it,
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that that residual haunting may heighten and become more hyperactive
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in its ability to project and display itself? Or does
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it still tend to just ignore and not even notice
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that we're there regardless?
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Well, why a residual is activated is a source of
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some debate. Really, there's no clear idea of what causes
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a residual to suddenly manifest itself. However, your point about
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these entities using energy is valid. And this has to
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do more with the intelligent hominids. It seems that they
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can pull energy off of not only electronic equipment, but
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out of people itself. So if you go into a
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situation and you're frightened, for example, there are certain energies
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that can pull that energy out of you and feed
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off of it. This is the case of where you
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start talking about demons and things like that are very
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negative entities. Most ghosts are not evil. They're not trying
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to hurt you. They're not even really trying to scare you.
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The reason you get scared of them is because it's
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something unknown. And we have a tendency to be frightened
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of that which we don't understand. But your point about
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the energy is valid. I think this is how they manifest.
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But it also depends upon the degree of understanding that
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the spirit itself possesses. So I believe that some spirits
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are more capable of manifesting than others are. Because they
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have a better, maybe they're more focused on what they
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want to do. rather than a lot of spirits are
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just observing us and not really sure how to get
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our attention. And some of them have an idea of
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how to get to our attention and we'll actually, uh, go,
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go ahead and proceed with it.
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Well, here we go. Sorry, Justin, take it over the microphone.
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Um, another followup to that then is when you think
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about that, just for a moment, let's focus just shortly
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on this aspect of demons or negative spirits or energies. Um, Now,
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you mentioned that some spirits know how to get our
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attention and why people may fear something is because they
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don't understand it. So with that in mind, do you
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think it's more so that when it comes to demonic
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hauntings or people who claim to have demonic hauntings or
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negative hauntings, it's more so their own personal, like their
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own body or energy interacting with an energy that.
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low that the vibrational pool, uh, push and pull is different.
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it's really not the entity trying to do anything.
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all the time, whether it's up or down the grass
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or they're very, uh, you know, very friendly or happy.
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off is, uh, is appealing to certain entities. So if
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you are talking about a lower level, a lower vibrational entity,
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and it meets somebody who is putting off a lot
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of anger or fear, they're going to be attracted to
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that in the same way that a dog is attracted
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to a piece of steak. And they're going to zoom
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in on that. And by the same token, if you
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don't want these entities around you, if you could raise
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your vibrational level a little bit and think more positively
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and more lovingly, they generally will be repelled by that
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and will leave you alone. I have never really had
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to deal with negative energies because I try to keep
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a very positive, upbeat attitude when I go into these situations.
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And I think that only positive energies are going to
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be attracted to me. So I don't ever really worry
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about the negative. Okay.
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Thank you.
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So I have a question on the residual hauntings. I've
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come across this. I don't know if you have, but
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I've come across at least two times now where there's
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a residual haunting. We get like a name or something
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like that. And then come to find out the person
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that is named or we think is saying the name
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is actually still alive. So do you think that residual
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haunches can still be caused by people that are still
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living as well?
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Oh, okay. That's the living ghost theory. This is the
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idea that when someone is in great distress, emotional distress,
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that they may in fact be able to inadvertently manifest
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themselves in another place, a place that they feel safe.
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For example, you might have a pilot who's flying through
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a storm and he's terrified that he's going to get killed.
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front of his family, in front of his home, in
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his home. And they see him quite clearly. And then
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he disappears. And then the pilot does survive his adventure.
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And he calls him and says, you know, I got
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through that. And he said, we saw you here. And
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there's been cases of this happening. They're very hard to
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document because, you know, nobody's ever expected anything like that.
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But there are cases of people who have actually witnessed
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people who were in distress, even though they weren't dead.
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So I don't know what's going on in the spiritual world,
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but I would love to find out.
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That kind of gets my mind going on the interstellar storyline,
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the movie Interstellar, and this whole idea of various dimensions
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and time slips. I mean, it is possible, though, then,
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despite this person being in distress, that this other version
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of him or this original thing that appears to family
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members may be slipping through another timeline in which we'll
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be he did pass away. And now we're, I don't know,
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we were treading tight ropes here, but you know, it's,
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it's an interesting thing. Cause I, you know, I think
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back to like, and I know it's a movie, but
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interstellar where it's in the beginning of the film, the
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middle of the film, there's this clock that's, ticking a watch.
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It's just ticking, ticking, ticking. It's Ashley Temple Moore's code.
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And we find out later in the film that Matthew
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McConaughey's character, he's in the fifth dimension and he's pulling
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little lines, little, what would seem to be like strings
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that are causing this thing to tick in a weird fashion,
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which is giving the past answers, both that he's alive,
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but also how to create this new world to save themselves.
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So with that idea and just this whole conversation about
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time and dimensions, is there, do you think, a possibility,
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just in your own opinion, that this could be a
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time slip of some sort and this is some other
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completely different version of him from another timeline or from
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a person who's coming through at these moments, despite the
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fact that they're alive?
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Well, there's a belief out there in the multiverse that
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where there is an infinite number of possibilities that can
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happen to you at any given moment. And each one
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is played out. So the one idea is that you
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are actually moving into one of these alternate timelines, at
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least briefly, and just playing out a role in that
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timeline that won't exist in the other timeline. The other
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thing to remember is that when you get on the
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other side, I don't believe time is an element. I
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think that time, it's basically, it's not that it's timeless
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or eternal. It's just that there's no time at all.
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There's no clock on the wall, so to speak. So
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you can move just as easily into the past or
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into the future as into the present. And so that's
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just the way I look at it. And some physicists
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will come on here and tell you I'm full of it.
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The wonder of opinions, huh? Yeah.
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Everybody has at least three, right, for every question.
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Yeah. Have you ever been, like, thoroughly, like....
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What's the term I'm trying to come up with?
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Pushed to your limits as far as somebody coming back
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at you and, like, questioning everything that you're giving answers to?
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Well, no, I really don't interact with people who are just...
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pure debunkers. You know, if they, if they don't want
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to believe that's fine, I have no problem with that.
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So someone says, I don't believe in ghosts. I don't
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try to convince them otherwise. So I don't really get
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a lot of pushback because most of the people I
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talk to about this stuff are very open to it.
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You tell somebody you write books on the paranormal, they'll
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either change the subject or they think you're crazy and
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then they'll change the subject or they'll want to know more.
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They have their own stories. They want to know why
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they saw their grandma or Yeah. So, so I don't
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really get a lot of pushback from people. I think
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most people who don't believe in the paranormal are just
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to basically ignore it. To me, if someone is fighting
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it tooth and nail, that tells me that they're looking
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for answers. They're not really, you know, they're not really
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not believing it. They just want to have it proven
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to them.
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Right.
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So now has there ever been a paranormal theory, that
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you initially dismissed, but then eventually became more open to
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and maybe even accepted into your own doctrine of beliefs?
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Well, actually, yeah. The whole concept of spirit guides. For
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quite a while, I just thought spirit guides were really
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just your own imagination. Maybe you're subconscious working with you.
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But as I've worked with people who talk about having
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spirit guides, and as I look into it in my
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own life, I do get the sense that there are
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external entities out there that will help us if we
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are open to them. And it got to the point
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where I went from not believing in spirit guides to
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actually teaching a class on how to contact your spirit guides.
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So I can change my mind any time.
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It's a big 180 there.
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Oh, that's not the least of them.
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Has doing this research.
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Made you question any religious beliefs that you've had?
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Oh, absolutely. I came out of an evangelical Christian background many,
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many years ago. And about 25 years ago, I started
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exploring other avenues. So as a result, I don't really
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believe in a heaven or a hell or a final
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judgment or any of these things. I believe that when
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we go to the other side, we kind of experience
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the energy that we died in. So if you died
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in heaven, surrounded by your family and in a lot
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of love and light, that's what you're going to experience.
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And I think if you die in anger and rage,
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then that's the energy you're going to find yourself stuck in.
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So I guess what I'm saying is I don't really
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believe there's an external entity out there that's judging us
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and sending us to heaven or hell based on these things,
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but that we create our own, uh, our own reality
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on the other side. And that, uh, And that can
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be just as bad because some people can create a
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hell for themselves if they're not careful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, I was about to say on that note, but
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that kind of was a weird segment.
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All right, folks. Welcome back to Paratroop Reborn. Something that
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we were discussing before the break is religious beliefs. But
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I think one thing that we haven't really touched base
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on is We've touched base on it, but we haven't
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gone deep into it, is the skepticism of other people.
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What's something commonly accepted in paranormal circles that you're much
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more skeptical about yourself?
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I don't really understand how tarot works or crystals, these
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sort of external elements. I've watched tarot readers, and I
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really am not impressed necessarily. with most of what they
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tell me. A lot of it's common sense. Some of
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it is, it just seems to really have no bearing
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on anything. Crystals, again, now I'm open to the possibility
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that we need these things to focus our spiritual energy.
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So I can understand that perspective, but I'm not really
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certain how these different elements really work together. Again, horoscopes too, numerology,
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all of these things to me sound a little bit,
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too random to make sense. But again, if someone can
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show me how they work and that it works, I'm
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open to it.
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I think that's the one problem with tarot. I should
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say multiple things in that kind of field is unfortunately
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part of it is up to interpretation by whoever's reading it.
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I've never... questioned the answer i'm getting most of the
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time but um there are times where you'll get the
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same answer from multiple people and there will be times
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that you get different answers for the same question um
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but the same can be said about listening to evps
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unless you have this class a that everybody hears the
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clearest day um but then you're, you're listening to these
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lower grade ones and five people have five different things
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that they heard.
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The, the, you know, you remember everything that you look at,
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all the evidence you're looking at is going to be
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interpreted through your filter. So you already have, you come
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into it already with some preconceived notions of what's going on.
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So if you don't believe in EVPs, you're probably not
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going to hear it say, I'm going to murder you.
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You know, it's not going to, it's not going to
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make it out. However, Um, that's why it's, you gotta
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be so careful with this stuff because there is such
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a thing as matrixing where someone says, Hey, it said,
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get out. You hear it. And then all of a
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sudden you hear it because they told you that's what
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you're supposed to hear.
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Right.
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So you have to be really careful about that. Same
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thing with photographs. You can get, some kind of strange
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shape in the patterns, grays and blacks, and say, hey, look,
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that's the face of my grandma. And once they point
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it out to you, that's all you can see. So
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you always have to approach anything like that very carefully,
486
00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:53.710
making sure that you understand that I'm looking at this
487
00:29:53.809 --> 00:29:58.059
through my lens, and my lens may not agree with
488
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.599
your lens. The only problem with that is that people
489
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.180
can get very upset if you don't agree with their interpretation.
490
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Oh, yeah.
491
00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:09.119
So you've got to be very careful when you tell them,
492
00:30:09.819 --> 00:30:13.140
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing Grandma in the tree. Because
493
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they go, oh, yeah, she's there.
494
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Eric was telling you a story before we got on,
495
00:30:18.549 --> 00:30:22.630
and he didn't get to the part where he had
496
00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:26.369
a similar thing where people were lashing back at him
497
00:30:26.390 --> 00:30:26.849
about it.
498
00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:29.579
Oh, yeah. About the... Oh, oh, oh.
499
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:29.779
Yeah.
500
00:30:30.339 --> 00:30:34.259
I had to think about it. Yeah. That's me, you know?
501
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I'm trying to.
502
00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:35.420
I go to.
503
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:37.220
So I had a point to the whole Beast of
504
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Gravedown story before the show, for those of you who don't.
505
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.039
Know, I was telling him about... You guys know what
506
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:46.039
the Beast of Gravedown is.
507
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.349
And there was a point to that story, by the way,
508
00:30:51.869 --> 00:30:53.849
and I just got off track telling the story.
509
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And ran out of time.
510
00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:55.970
And ran out of time.
511
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But.51200:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.759
Based on that story that I was telling you earlier51300:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.460
before the show, it was that I had mentioned about51400:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.299
this documentary that it was just a hyena and I51500:31:06.339 --> 00:31:10.680
got backlash for it. People were upset that I had51600:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.509
spoiled some sort of information or had a different opinion51700:31:15.369 --> 00:31:18.789
based on research from what they had. And it's common51800:31:18.809 --> 00:31:21.970
to see that in the paranormal. When someone's so invested51900:31:22.009 --> 00:31:25.250
in a werewolf or so invested in a Bigfoot case52000:31:25.329 --> 00:31:27.880
or in a a haunting of some sort, as soon52100:31:27.900 --> 00:31:33.240
as you provide evidence that opposes that, it's like the52200:31:33.299 --> 00:31:37.660
world freezes over. It's like, wait, no, no, you're wrong.52300:31:37.740 --> 00:31:39.210
This is the reason and blah, blah, blah. It's like52400:31:39.230 --> 00:31:43.769
despite all the facts. Some people are so focused in52500:31:43.809 --> 00:31:47.029
holding onto their belief that they refuse to acknowledge the52600:31:47.109 --> 00:31:49.609
facts that oppose those things or at least even consider52700:31:49.650 --> 00:31:53.089
them before just throwing them under the rug and walking away.52800:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.059
One thing you got to remember when you're dealing with52900:31:55.099 --> 00:32:00.049
ghosts is often you're dealing with someone's loved one that53000:32:00.089 --> 00:32:03.150
has passed. So if they're convinced that their grandma was53100:32:03.210 --> 00:32:07.390
in the picture, you say, no, it's not. It's just matrixing.53200:32:08.029 --> 00:32:11.089
That's really kind of taking away some of their hope.53300:32:11.410 --> 00:32:11.690
Yeah.53400:32:12.430 --> 00:32:14.410
They want to believe the grandma's on the other side53500:32:14.450 --> 00:32:17.190
and she's okay and everything's fine and she showed up53600:32:17.230 --> 00:32:21.940
for him. And it can be really devastating sometimes. Have53700:32:22.019 --> 00:32:25.480
somebody come who's a purported expert and say, no, it's53800:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.000
not anything you think it is. Because it's a joy53900:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.279
back to ground zero and you have to start all54000:32:31.299 --> 00:32:32.460
over again.54100:32:33.269 --> 00:32:36.029
Well, I think that's something.54200:32:37.109 --> 00:32:38.650
That's a struggle for some people.54300:32:38.670 --> 00:32:40.829
They come in as this expert and they want to54400:32:40.849 --> 00:32:44.349
immediately just share their opinion and what they believe without54500:32:44.430 --> 00:32:48.589
taking the time to be human and realizing what that54600:32:48.650 --> 00:32:51.960
person may be experiencing too. You know, it's like, yeah,54700:32:51.980 --> 00:32:53.460
it's a tight rope because you have to wonder, like,54800:32:53.539 --> 00:32:56.059
are they worried? Are they concerned that their grandma in54900:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.940
that picture means they're not in heaven or she's not55000:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.369
in heaven? Or does it mean that she's just there visiting?55100:33:01.509 --> 00:33:03.269
Or does it mean, you know, what does it mean?55200:33:03.730 --> 00:33:04.849
And those are a lot of things I think as55300:33:04.910 --> 00:33:08.369
paranormal investigators, when you're working with somebody, you have to55400:33:08.390 --> 00:33:12.569
really consider those things and tread lightly, even if you55500:33:12.589 --> 00:33:15.150
have to lie a little bit. You know, depending on,55600:33:15.710 --> 00:33:17.930
at least that's my belief. Like sometimes there's, there's a55700:33:17.930 --> 00:33:19.910
thing about a white lie. If you don't fully believe55800:33:19.950 --> 00:33:22.359
that that person is there, but you could see it55900:33:22.430 --> 00:33:23.740
in their eyes and you will see it in their56000:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.119
eyes if they want, if they want them to be there.56100:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.140
There's no harm in saying, you know what? I think56200:33:29.160 --> 00:33:30.299
that is your grandma in that picture.56300:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.940
I usually just tell them, you know, I'm not saying56400:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.990
it's not your grandma. I'm just saying my opinions just56500:33:37.009 --> 00:33:38.710
looks like matrixing, but it could be.56600:33:38.730 --> 00:33:40.529
I mean, that's, and that's valid.56700:33:40.849 --> 00:33:40.990
Yeah.56800:33:41.029 --> 00:33:41.849
That's completely valid.56900:33:42.150 --> 00:33:43.849
You also can remember the other side of the story57000:33:44.069 --> 00:33:48.230
is that you can also bring comfort to a person57100:33:48.269 --> 00:33:52.069
by disallowing what they've shown you. In other words, they're scared.57200:33:52.349 --> 00:33:55.549
They think there's a ghost in their house. You say, no,57300:33:55.609 --> 00:33:57.539
I think this is what this is. It's just a57400:33:57.579 --> 00:34:00.980
camera anomaly or whatever. And they can actually be very relieved.57500:34:01.660 --> 00:34:01.920
Right.57600:34:02.059 --> 00:34:04.279
Now, all of a sudden, they thought they were being haunted.57700:34:04.339 --> 00:34:06.259
And now they're like, oh, my God, I thought it57800:34:06.279 --> 00:34:06.779
was a ghost.57900:34:07.140 --> 00:34:07.319
Right.58000:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.820
Most people are really afraid of ghosts.58100:34:09.840 --> 00:34:10.460
Mm-hmm.58200:34:11.550 --> 00:34:15.090
Yeah. Even where they're terrified of them. Hollywood and the58300:34:15.150 --> 00:34:19.860
way they portrayed the paranormal as this very dangerous sort58400:34:19.880 --> 00:34:20.400
of world.58500:34:20.599 --> 00:34:20.800
Yeah.58600:34:21.159 --> 00:34:21.719
Right.58700:34:21.780 --> 00:34:24.500
So, and Halloween doesn't help, you know, with scale.58800:34:24.519 --> 00:34:25.849
Oh, yeah. Definitely.58900:34:26.030 --> 00:34:31.059
That's... I mean, we definitely see a big jump in59000:34:31.460 --> 00:34:35.460
both viewership, but also in people's opinions right around Halloween time.59100:34:35.739 --> 00:34:37.300
People do start getting scared.59200:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.440
They worry about.59300:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.409
Even just the word Samhain. They're like, what does that mean?59400:34:41.530 --> 00:34:44.489
It's just Halloween, guys. That's all. Are you sure? You59500:34:44.630 --> 00:34:45.710
didn't just cast a spell?59600:34:46.429 --> 00:34:46.630
No.59700:34:48.110 --> 00:34:51.380
But also, going off of what you just said, it's59800:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.300
identical to what you said at the beginning of the show,59900:34:54.500 --> 00:35:01.469
where you personally don't encounter many or any darker entities60000:35:01.630 --> 00:35:05.389
or negative entities because you keep yourself.60100:35:05.050 --> 00:35:06.690
In high spirits, in a good place.60200:35:07.269 --> 00:35:10.420
And these people who you give comfort to, if they're scared,60300:35:10.539 --> 00:35:12.880
and then all of a sudden you say, oh, that's60400:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.440
not a ghost. And suddenly their energy changes. Even if60500:35:17.460 --> 00:35:19.659
there is a ghost, they no longer empower it through60600:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.239
their own energy and thought forms.60700:35:22.449 --> 00:35:25.210
It loses traction. It loses power.60800:35:25.860 --> 00:35:28.780
And suddenly their mind shifts and that thing just disappears.60900:35:29.659 --> 00:35:32.469
The other thing that sometimes happens, which is interesting, is61000:35:32.550 --> 00:35:35.389
that it will confirm to somebody what they've already known,61100:35:35.610 --> 00:35:39.650
that there's a key, and it emboldens them to try61200:35:39.690 --> 00:35:43.590
to contact it. Once you confirm that, yeah, you have61300:35:43.650 --> 00:35:47.889
something going on here, that sometimes they will suck it61400:35:47.969 --> 00:35:49.949
up and say, I think I'm going to see if61500:35:50.030 --> 00:35:52.210
I can contact this thing.61600:35:52.429 --> 00:35:52.630
Yeah.61700:35:53.099 --> 00:35:55.519
And those people are actually, they're kind of my heroes61800:35:55.619 --> 00:35:58.980
because it takes a lot of courage to do that.61900:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.739
And sometimes they get remarkable results. Sometimes nothing much happens.62000:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.449
But I still think it's kind of interesting the different62100:36:06.489 --> 00:36:12.309
reactions you get to doing some objective observations.62200:36:12.730 --> 00:36:12.969
Yeah.62300:36:13.210 --> 00:36:13.849
No, for sure.62400:36:13.909 --> 00:36:16.550
You know, I had someone in, there's another Facebook group62500:36:17.730 --> 00:36:22.030
that I'm in, aside from our show, in which somebody had.62600:36:21.659 --> 00:36:22.300
Posed the questions.62700:36:24.320 --> 00:36:29.099
She was interested in Pilates, but heard so much about62800:36:29.219 --> 00:36:30.920
opening doors, doing Pilates.62900:36:31.099 --> 00:36:33.380
And that's, that's the term that she used open doors.63000:36:34.059 --> 00:36:34.619
What that means.63100:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.800
I'm, you know, I have my thoughts of what that63200:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.369
probably means. But anyway, opening doors. So she was thinking63300:36:42.409 --> 00:36:46.829
maybe she'll do, I'm sorry, yoga. So she'll do Pilates63400:36:47.030 --> 00:36:49.110
instead of yoga. It was yoga that would open doors.63500:36:49.630 --> 00:36:52.530
should do Pilates maybe, unless anyone thinks that would open63600:36:52.550 --> 00:36:55.409
doors too. And it's just, you know, and obviously there63700:36:55.429 --> 00:36:57.739
are all these people chiming in, like, you know, there63800:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.260
are Christians saying, oh, it's of the devil. And yeah,63900:37:00.300 --> 00:37:03.250
you can't do Pilates. You can't do any of it.64000:37:03.260 --> 00:37:06.000
You know, you can't do yoga. You can't do any64100:37:06.019 --> 00:37:08.320
sort of meditation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then64200:37:08.340 --> 00:37:10.639
you have the others who come in and say, oh,64300:37:10.699 --> 00:37:16.320
there's absolutely zero harm whatsoever. But then it's kind of like,64400:37:17.690 --> 00:37:19.449
where do you leave this person? You know, cause they're64500:37:19.469 --> 00:37:21.469
still stuck in the middle here. Cause they're like, okay,64600:37:21.489 --> 00:37:23.329
well half of the people are saying it's okay. The64700:37:23.369 --> 00:37:25.949
other half are saying it's not, I'm still in the64800:37:25.969 --> 00:37:29.340
same place, you know? And it still comes back to you.64900:37:29.349 --> 00:37:31.539
Like I, you know, I was, I am a born65000:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.119
again Christian and I still do Pilates.65100:37:34.219 --> 00:37:35.039
I still do yoga.65200:37:35.059 --> 00:37:39.059
I don't follow the whole semantics of it all, you know?65300:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.139
But it's a good workout. It's good for your body.65400:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.050
It's good for your mind. And I think that's where65500:37:44.070 --> 00:37:46.610
a lot of people start to, to differentiate these and say,65600:37:46.630 --> 00:37:48.849
they think, Oh, I want to exercise, but what if65700:37:48.869 --> 00:37:50.889
it opens the door to the spiritual realm because I'm65800:37:50.929 --> 00:37:54.510
exercising and it's like, well, it's all dependent on how65900:37:54.610 --> 00:37:57.010
your beliefs, you know, and the energy you put into that.66000:37:57.449 --> 00:38:00.340
Well, I've always believed that if, if something doesn't feel66100:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.219
right to you, just don't do it. If you start66200:38:03.260 --> 00:38:06.639
meditating and you start feeling like this is something's going66300:38:06.719 --> 00:38:11.559
on here, maybe stop it. You know, uh, I don't66400:38:11.579 --> 00:38:14.639
think there's any inherent danger in any of those things, honestly.66500:38:15.380 --> 00:38:18.539
But I do believe that you can easily work yourself66600:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.840
into a frame of mind where you are suddenly thinking, hey,66700:38:22.969 --> 00:38:27.409
I'm being watched. There's something out here. Have you ever66800:38:27.489 --> 00:38:28.849
walked through the woods at night?66900:38:30.090 --> 00:38:30.369
Oh, yeah.67000:38:30.929 --> 00:38:33.969
You know Bigfoot's out there. I mean, you're sure of67100:38:34.030 --> 00:38:35.699
it until you get back in your house. Now all67200:38:35.719 --> 00:38:36.920
of a sudden Bigfoot went away.67300:38:37.360 --> 00:38:38.639
Yeah, right. Suffering.67400:38:40.179 --> 00:38:41.750
So that's kind of the same way it is with67500:38:41.789 --> 00:38:45.170
the spiritual realm. It's like with the Ouija boards. We'll67600:38:45.190 --> 00:38:47.369
say don't mess with the Ouija board because you might67700:38:47.409 --> 00:38:51.909
bring something in. And I mean, that's always a possibility,67800:38:52.150 --> 00:38:56.969
I suppose. But generally, I think that that's more rare67900:38:57.730 --> 00:39:00.349
than it is common. It has to be the right68000:39:00.409 --> 00:39:04.510
kind of mindset. You can use a Ouija board if68100:39:04.550 --> 00:39:06.679
you have a positive mindset and you really want to68200:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.510
try to contact something in a positive manner. I think68300:39:09.530 --> 00:39:11.820
the Ouija board will work. I also think if you're68400:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.159
just fooling around with it and you're usually frightened, you68500:39:15.179 --> 00:39:18.860
could invite something in. So, you know, let the buyer beware.68600:39:18.900 --> 00:39:20.469
If you're going to use these things, just make sure68700:39:20.489 --> 00:39:22.000
you know what you're doing and why you're doing it.68800:39:22.570 --> 00:39:22.809
Right.68900:39:23.630 --> 00:39:23.989
For sure.69000:39:24.010 --> 00:39:27.969
Well, so here's my question to you, and you might69100:39:27.989 --> 00:39:32.090
have already answered this. you you mentioned you know a69200:39:32.139 --> 00:39:35.400
lot of what information people get is from fiction um69300:39:36.340 --> 00:39:40.460
and that they think the paranormal is inherently dangerous is69400:39:40.500 --> 00:39:44.099
there anything in your mind that is dangerous to do69500:39:44.199 --> 00:39:48.320
when it comes to the paranormal i do believe that people.69600:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.789
Can get obsessed with it And there is such a thing,69700:39:51.829 --> 00:39:56.050
I think, as spirits will attach sometimes to people. They69800:39:56.090 --> 00:39:58.710
like their energy, and they might follow them around, things69900:39:58.750 --> 00:40:02.610
like that. So you do have to be careful. The70000:40:02.809 --> 00:40:05.809
danger really is not physical as much as it is70100:40:05.929 --> 00:40:11.349
maybe psychological or emotional. If you believe you're being constantly70200:40:12.230 --> 00:40:16.070
pursued by demons, that is going to affect your life70300:40:16.150 --> 00:40:20.829
in very negative ways, whether it's true or not. So70400:40:20.929 --> 00:40:24.550
your attitude about these things is very important in terms70500:40:24.590 --> 00:40:27.289
of living your life in a reasonable manner without having70600:40:27.309 --> 00:40:29.489
to worry about all these energies out there trying to70700:40:29.530 --> 00:40:29.889
get you.70800:40:30.570 --> 00:40:30.809
Right.70900:40:32.710 --> 00:40:36.199
I feel like we see that a lot, especially with71000:40:36.219 --> 00:40:40.760
the music. I think of Robert Johnson, who wrote a71100:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.800
lot of his music based on making a deal with71200:40:43.820 --> 00:40:47.460
the devil. And he eventually got a young age, at71300:40:47.500 --> 00:40:51.320
a young age, I don't know if you're familiar with71400:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.099
Robert Johnson, but he was a blues player who supposedly71500:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.099
sold his soul to the devil to become a very71600:40:57.280 --> 00:41:02.039
good guitarist and blues musician. And eventually started writing about71700:41:02.059 --> 00:41:05.300
Hellhound on my Trail or Devil at the Crossroads and71800:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.010
things like that. And eventually he passed away. And a71900:41:08.050 --> 00:41:10.289
lot of people speculate that it was the devil coming72000:41:10.329 --> 00:41:12.510
for his soul when his time was up. He was72100:41:12.570 --> 00:41:16.230
offered a certain amount of time to get famous. And72200:41:16.269 --> 00:41:20.010
then once time was up, that was it. And it's72300:41:20.050 --> 00:41:23.349
interesting because I see and I've heard stories of people72400:41:23.429 --> 00:41:25.010
who say, oh, I feel like I'm going to die72500:41:25.030 --> 00:41:27.030
at a young age or I feel like this is72600:41:27.050 --> 00:41:28.530
going to happen or that's going to happen. And it's72700:41:28.550 --> 00:41:32.860
almost as if they speak it into existence in many cases.72800:41:33.880 --> 00:41:38.199
Do you think, whether it's energy projection or just speaking,72900:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.739
like what are your thoughts on the idea of speaking73000:41:40.780 --> 00:41:45.019
things into existence, maybe outside of the spiritual realm a73100:41:45.039 --> 00:41:45.539
little bit here?73200:41:45.559 --> 00:41:46.820
Yeah.73300:41:47.619 --> 00:41:50.210
I have kind of mixed feelings about, it's called manifestation.73400:41:50.269 --> 00:41:50.449
Yeah.73500:41:50.610 --> 00:41:54.590
You're basically manifesting things in your life. I do think73600:41:54.650 --> 00:41:59.510
that manifestation is very close to intention. So if your73700:41:59.550 --> 00:42:03.409
intention is to become an author and you pursue that,73800:42:04.409 --> 00:42:09.429
have you manifested success or did you just simply do73900:42:09.449 --> 00:42:12.360
the work and success came as a result of it?74000:42:12.949 --> 00:42:14.829
So when you're talking about manifestation, you got to be74100:42:14.909 --> 00:42:18.480
kind of clear that I don't believe I could make74200:42:18.500 --> 00:42:23.900
a Corvette appear in my driveway tomorrow morning through manifestation.74300:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.230
I just don't believe that happens. But I do believe74400:42:27.250 --> 00:42:30.289
you can manifest kind of the direction of your life.74500:42:31.570 --> 00:42:34.389
If you set a goal for yourself and you pursue it,74600:42:34.590 --> 00:42:36.969
or if you're, let's say you want to make friends74700:42:37.989 --> 00:42:40.449
and you go out there and with that intention in mind,74800:42:40.510 --> 00:42:42.909
and you just be friendly to people, you're going to74900:42:42.949 --> 00:42:47.460
manifest friends. I don't think there's anything necessarily spooky about that,75000:42:48.099 --> 00:42:51.119
but I think it's helpful if you believe in manifestation75100:42:51.699 --> 00:42:55.059
that you have the confidence to go out and try75200:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.139
these things because you're believing you're manifesting something and now75300:42:59.179 --> 00:43:03.690
you're actually going out and experiencing it. So it's kind75400:43:03.710 --> 00:43:06.130
of like one hand washes the other. The more you believe,75500:43:06.650 --> 00:43:09.250
the more likely it is to be. Yeah.75600:43:09.730 --> 00:43:13.070
We see that a lot in spiritualism, whether it's prayer75700:43:13.409 --> 00:43:19.750
or if it's... casting spells or whatever. It's putting intentions75800:43:20.090 --> 00:43:23.170
into the space. People always say that if you're going75900:43:23.210 --> 00:43:25.690
to pray about something, if you're going to set an intention,76000:43:26.289 --> 00:43:27.670
you can't just set it and let it go. You76100:43:28.030 --> 00:43:32.360
actually have to work toward that intention. There's more work76200:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.019
to do. And I've always questioned that too. It's like, well,76300:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.260
then what's the point of the intention other than the76400:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.559
fact that it's kind of a grounding place? It's more76500:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.880
of like, I'm setting this intention and this is my,76600:43:44.059 --> 00:43:46.019
you know, this is me making a deal, making a76700:43:46.039 --> 00:43:50.900
pact with myself to go and make this happen. Because76800:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.539
outside of that, it doesn't really make sense. You know,76900:43:53.900 --> 00:43:57.500
the simple thought of like, you know, oh, I'm going77000:43:57.519 --> 00:44:02.420
to stub my foot, you know, my toe tomorrow. Putting77100:44:02.440 --> 00:44:03.920
that thought out there doesn't mean it's going to happen.77200:44:04.360 --> 00:44:05.260
It likely won't.77300:44:05.780 --> 00:44:08.139
And if it does, it's like, what does that mean?77400:44:08.380 --> 00:44:10.829
You know, is it just coincidence? for some people it's like,77500:44:10.909 --> 00:44:13.170
Oh my God, I manifested it. And now they're kind77600:44:13.210 --> 00:44:16.460
of going crazy thinking they can manifest all kinds of stuff.77700:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.300
But it's, it's always, I find, I.77800:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.460
Find the whole idea of intention very interesting and manifestation.77900:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.730
I think it's also related a little bit to superstition. Okay.78000:44:29.110 --> 00:44:31.909
For example, I always think of the baseball player who78100:44:31.949 --> 00:44:34.809
has a lucky half dollar that he, he takes with78200:44:34.869 --> 00:44:38.329
him and every time. And, it gives him the confidence78300:44:38.570 --> 00:44:40.570
that he thinks I can now, you know, I can78400:44:40.610 --> 00:44:44.010
hit the ball because if he suddenly loses that half dollar,78500:44:44.750 --> 00:44:46.289
he's going to go out there thinking, I don't have78600:44:46.349 --> 00:44:48.800
my lucky charm. I can't do anything. I can't play78700:44:48.840 --> 00:44:49.300
ball now.78800:44:49.679 --> 00:44:49.840
Right.78900:44:50.420 --> 00:44:52.179
And I think it happens the same way in our life.79000:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.000
If you go out there thinking that, you know, I'm79100:44:54.019 --> 00:44:55.619
going to go to this party, but nobody's going to79200:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.360
want to talk to me, then probably no one's going79300:44:58.380 --> 00:45:00.769
to talk to you. I mean, did you manifest that79400:45:00.849 --> 00:45:03.130
or did you just put off that energy to like79500:45:03.190 --> 00:45:07.280
stay away? Cause you know, I'm not going to be sociable. And,79600:45:07.420 --> 00:45:09.409
you know, so you never can really tell what part79700:45:09.469 --> 00:45:11.670
you're doing and what part is just nature.79800:45:12.150 --> 00:45:12.409
Right.79900:45:13.489 --> 00:45:13.750
Sure.80000:45:15.989 --> 00:45:19.750
So here's a question for you. In all of your80100:45:19.989 --> 00:45:24.000
years of doing this, in your opinion, what's one thing80200:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.099
people get wrong when it comes to ghosts or even80300:45:28.619 --> 00:45:30.000
the paranormal in general?80400:45:31.849 --> 00:45:35.230
I think the biggest problem I see is the belief80500:45:35.570 --> 00:45:40.429
in evil, that the paranormal is largely dark and full80600:45:40.469 --> 00:45:44.170
of nasty little things. These things I do think exist,80700:45:44.210 --> 00:45:48.429
but I think mostly it's a place of light. And80800:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.260
when we are thinking about these things, it's real easy80900:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.360
to kind of dwell on the darker side of it.81000:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.400
But I try to tell people, you know, this stuff81100:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.639
is not designed to scare you. It's just, uh, it's81200:46:01.699 --> 00:46:03.900
just on the other side of, uh, of another coin.81300:46:03.940 --> 00:46:07.349
You know, one side of the coin is, uh, living81400:46:07.409 --> 00:46:09.510
in a, in a, in a reality that we live in.81500:46:09.610 --> 00:46:11.809
And the other side of the coin is another reality81600:46:12.090 --> 00:46:15.389
that we haven't experienced yet from the site. And there's,81700:46:15.409 --> 00:46:18.929
there's really nothing scary about either side of the coin. Um,81800:46:19.090 --> 00:46:21.929
so if I could do one thing, I would try81900:46:21.969 --> 00:46:26.880
to convince people to explore these ideas with, without the82000:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.989
fear of, Because if you can do that, then you're82100:46:30.030 --> 00:46:32.329
probably going to have a lot more success and a82200:46:32.349 --> 00:46:36.570
lot more appreciation, not only for what's out there, but82300:46:36.710 --> 00:46:38.250
for your own life as it is now.82400:46:40.929 --> 00:46:43.860
I couldn't agree more. I've kind of walked.82500:46:45.530 --> 00:46:50.719
This whole path, this whole paranormal and occult and religion.82600:46:50.739 --> 00:46:54.099
I've walked all the different sides. And there were times82700:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.380
where I was so focused in on religion that everything82800:46:56.420 --> 00:46:59.010
else was evil. And there was a time where I82900:46:59.010 --> 00:47:01.150
was so focused in on the occult that, you know,83000:47:01.869 --> 00:47:05.070
religion was evil. God wasn't that good, you know? And,83100:47:05.829 --> 00:47:09.179
and it's like after spending so many years and I'm83200:47:09.179 --> 00:47:12.139
40 years old now. And so after spending the years83300:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.880
that I have walking this, the, this path, you know,83400:47:15.900 --> 00:47:20.000
I come to realize like the evil really does only83500:47:20.059 --> 00:47:24.539
exist within, for the most part within humanity. I mean, yes,83600:47:25.099 --> 00:47:26.340
there are dark entities.83700:47:26.420 --> 00:47:26.969
I believe it.83800:47:27.360 --> 00:47:32.289
I've, experienced them i've interacted with them um but i83900:47:32.329 --> 00:47:35.300
also think that like what we get out of life84000:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.800
is what we put into it and i see time84100:47:37.820 --> 00:47:41.579
and time again people just being not good people even84200:47:41.619 --> 00:47:45.860
if they are you know religiously good uh you know84300:47:45.940 --> 00:47:49.059
spiritually good they may not go out there and like84400:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.360
you know be nice you know It's just, it's like84500:47:53.579 --> 00:47:56.760
you have to, there is, from someone like myself who's84600:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.159
experienced it all, or at least most, I wouldn't say84700:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.880
experienced it all, but I experienced a lot. I could84800:48:03.179 --> 00:48:07.030
profoundly say that there is so much more in life84900:48:07.130 --> 00:48:10.670
in general outside of our own physical existence and outside85000:48:10.690 --> 00:48:14.550
of our own mind and understanding. And once we realize that,85100:48:15.369 --> 00:48:18.650
we kind of tune in and realize like, hey, nothing's85200:48:18.670 --> 00:48:21.469
really that scary if you take the time to understand it.85300:48:22.110 --> 00:48:24.769
And I think it's the misunderstanding that really sets people85400:48:24.789 --> 00:48:26.449
off or astray.85500:48:27.610 --> 00:48:33.039
Oh, absolutely. The misconceptions about the spiritual realm really can85600:48:33.300 --> 00:48:39.699
affect people in very negative ways. But to me, once85700:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.110
you understand how the spiritual realm interacts with the physical realm,85800:48:44.829 --> 00:48:48.289
it makes me more conscious of the fact of our oneness.85900:48:49.940 --> 00:48:54.679
with everything, each other and nature itself. And once you86000:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.320
have that realization, you're not going to be stealing and86100:48:58.380 --> 00:49:02.139
lying and cheating and killing people because to do that86200:49:02.179 --> 00:49:06.119
would be to hurt yourself. And I think that that's86300:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.019
what I have gotten out of this sort of journey86400:49:09.059 --> 00:49:12.590
into the paranormal is that there's a really big world86500:49:12.699 --> 00:49:16.510
out there. It's a good world, but we just need86600:49:16.530 --> 00:49:18.469
to appreciate it. And then once we can do that,86700:49:18.510 --> 00:49:20.980
we can appreciate each other And I think we can86800:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.980
get along a lot better.86900:49:23.260 --> 00:49:23.820
Yeah.87000:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.159
That's your, that's your equal philosophy for the.87100:49:31.880 --> 00:49:36.179
So in your opinion, has that, Does that kind of87200:49:36.219 --> 00:49:39.139
explain this question of, you know, doing all this research87300:49:39.179 --> 00:49:44.940
and everything, something you've learned about being alive from studying87400:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.139
ghosts and the paranormal?87500:49:48.250 --> 00:49:50.969
What I've learned is that there is no such thing87600:49:50.989 --> 00:49:54.889
really as death. There's a transition. You move into different realms.87700:49:55.590 --> 00:49:59.710
You come back. I also believe in reincarnation. So I87800:49:59.769 --> 00:50:02.289
think that each of all the experiences that we have87900:50:02.329 --> 00:50:05.210
in this lifetime are going to go into like a template.88000:50:06.059 --> 00:50:09.840
that's going to determine our next experience on this side.88100:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.519
So if you can just keep adding good things to88200:50:13.539 --> 00:50:15.829
the savings account, you'll have a lot more money on88300:50:15.869 --> 00:50:18.329
the other end, if you know what I mean. So88400:50:18.769 --> 00:50:21.269
what I have learned is that, I mean, I don't88500:50:21.349 --> 00:50:25.210
fear death. I really don't. I think that I'm going88600:50:25.230 --> 00:50:29.300
to someday transition, and I'm actually thinking it's going to88700:50:29.320 --> 00:50:33.059
be kind of a cool day, actually. I think there's88800:50:33.099 --> 00:50:35.780
going to be a lot of neat things happening but88900:50:35.849 --> 00:50:38.190
I'm also looking forward to what happens after that and89000:50:38.250 --> 00:50:40.050
what I've learned from it and where I can go89100:50:40.070 --> 00:50:40.429
from there.89200:50:40.449 --> 00:50:41.610
Okay.89300:50:41.889 --> 00:50:42.110
Yeah.89400:50:43.010 --> 00:50:45.829
We had a guy on who had a near death89500:50:45.869 --> 00:50:48.260
experience and talked about what he saw on the other89600:50:48.280 --> 00:50:52.139
side and that, you know, we, we always select what89700:50:52.179 --> 00:50:57.019
we want to do when we incarnate here. And that89800:50:57.099 --> 00:51:00.300
when we go back, we're still, we're still learning on89900:51:00.340 --> 00:51:03.869
the other side. We're still doing jobs on the other side.90000:51:03.889 --> 00:51:07.289
It's just not like, Here, where you literally have to90100:51:07.349 --> 00:51:11.929
do a job to live, there you're doing it because90200:51:11.949 --> 00:51:15.420
you enjoy doing it. And that's something, if that's really90300:51:15.460 --> 00:51:18.059
what's happening on the other side, I'm looking forward to90400:51:18.099 --> 00:51:20.900
that because I'm kind of tired of working to live90500:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.320
instead of the other way around.90600:51:22.659 --> 00:51:23.360
Living to work.90700:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.739
Yeah, I mean, I do believe that a life review90800:51:28.030 --> 00:51:30.150
that you go through your entire life and you see90900:51:31.070 --> 00:51:33.840
both the positives and the negatives, what areas, you know,91000:51:33.889 --> 00:51:36.820
why you did this, why you made the decision, why91100:51:36.840 --> 00:51:40.039
you failed to make that decision. And you can take91200:51:40.099 --> 00:51:43.579
all this kind of learning and put it back into91300:51:43.619 --> 00:51:47.860
your next incarnation. One thing I do question, though, is91400:51:48.889 --> 00:51:52.889
how completely we pick our next life. The big thing91500:51:52.949 --> 00:51:55.309
in New Age Movement is that you choose everything. You91600:51:55.329 --> 00:51:57.869
choose your mate, you choose your job, you choose your career.91700:51:57.949 --> 00:52:00.389
Everything is all laid out before you ever come into91800:52:00.409 --> 00:52:04.679
the flesh. And I think, you know, even if everything91900:52:04.760 --> 00:52:09.039
is just random, you can still learn from that. Well,92000:52:09.199 --> 00:52:13.789
you have to have everything perfectly planned out to still92100:52:14.070 --> 00:52:17.750
learn the lessons from life, make the mistakes, learn from them,92200:52:18.250 --> 00:52:20.630
put that into your, into your, your bank account and92300:52:20.650 --> 00:52:21.610
try it again next time.92400:52:22.170 --> 00:52:22.389
Right.92500:52:22.849 --> 00:52:25.219
Well, I'm a little leery about this whole idea that92600:52:25.460 --> 00:52:27.659
we plan out our whole next lifetime.92700:52:27.679 --> 00:52:27.900
Yeah.92800:52:28.179 --> 00:52:30.500
Well, on top of that, it's like if you're going92900:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.400
and planning to that extent, what are you then learning?93000:52:34.980 --> 00:52:38.039
You have to know what you're getting out of it93100:52:38.860 --> 00:52:41.099
if you're going to marry this particular person, right?93200:52:41.199 --> 00:52:42.619
Or if you're going to take this particular job.93300:52:43.239 --> 00:52:44.639
And what's the point of doing that if you already93400:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.099
know what you're going to get out of it or93500:52:46.139 --> 00:52:47.179
what you're expecting out of it?93600:52:47.719 --> 00:52:50.619
Exactly. And how do you know that that person who93700:52:50.659 --> 00:52:53.769
has their own free will is going to be interested93800:52:53.809 --> 00:52:56.650
in you? You can say, oh, I'm supposed to marry93900:52:56.690 --> 00:53:00.400
this particular person. when I'm 25, but she married someone94000:53:00.420 --> 00:53:03.900
else when she was 21. So, so what do you94100:53:03.940 --> 00:53:05.800
do in that case? Does that mean that the whole94200:53:05.860 --> 00:53:09.300
plan is, is gone? It's all blown up.94300:53:09.320 --> 00:53:09.840
All right.94400:53:09.880 --> 00:53:11.420
Here you start over again. What are you going to do?94500:53:12.760 --> 00:53:13.099
I don't know.94600:53:13.639 --> 00:53:15.239
I think I'm going to write, my next book is94700:53:15.260 --> 00:53:17.400
going to be on some of these issues having to94800:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.159
do with new age philosophy.94900:53:19.500 --> 00:53:19.699
Yeah.95000:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.099
Just kind of looking at some of these ideas in95100:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.300
more detail and then just see where they go.95200:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.139
Yeah. That would be a good conversation. It would be.95300:53:27.530 --> 00:53:31.010
It's very interesting, you know, like from when we started95400:53:31.989 --> 00:53:36.730
roughly 20 years ago in podcasting and really dipping our95500:53:36.889 --> 00:53:39.250
toes at the time into the paranormal. I mean, we've95600:53:39.429 --> 00:53:44.070
been fully submerged and drowning ever since. But to see95700:53:44.139 --> 00:53:44.719
how much.95800:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.599
And that's why we're here right now.95900:53:47.619 --> 00:53:48.400
Well, yeah.96000:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.280
But it's like, you know, over all these years growing up,96100:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.420
you know... we've seen so many shifts within the.96200:53:54.380 --> 00:53:57.400
Spiritual belief systems.96300:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.809
And more and more, we're starting to realize that people96400:54:01.829 --> 00:54:08.429
are shifting them to benefit themselves rather than just believing96500:54:08.449 --> 00:54:13.130
and understanding that there is a world beyond us that96600:54:13.150 --> 00:54:15.369
maybe doesn't fully revolve around us.96700:54:16.409 --> 00:54:19.119
There are other elements, you know, Absolutely.96800:54:19.340 --> 00:54:23.059
Remember, we're basically all playing a role. We're all actors96900:54:23.099 --> 00:54:26.070
who are playing a role. And in this lifetime, I'm97000:54:26.110 --> 00:54:29.769
playing the role of Jeff Danilick. Next lifetime, I'll play97100:54:29.789 --> 00:54:31.630
a different role, but I'll still be the same actor97200:54:31.650 --> 00:54:35.349
in each role. And once you look at life that way,97300:54:35.429 --> 00:54:39.500
it's hard to get too upset about things when they97400:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.860
go wrong. Because you think, okay, that was just part97500:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.980
of the role. That was part of the movie. And97600:54:46.099 --> 00:54:47.880
we'll just go on and see what we can learn97700:54:47.920 --> 00:54:51.179
from it and try it again next time.97800:54:53.119 --> 00:54:56.320
So we are getting close to the end. But one97900:54:56.380 --> 00:54:58.679
question I really wanted to make sure we asked before98000:54:58.699 --> 00:55:02.920
we let you go is what's one thing or maybe98100:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.179
more than one thing you hope people take away from98200:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.260
the book or our conversation tonight?98300:55:10.010 --> 00:55:12.250
I think that what I want people to recognize is98400:55:12.289 --> 00:55:16.760
the fact that there are things that can exist beyond98500:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.440
our ability to perceive them. Science works in the perception98600:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.239
that things have to be proven. And I believe that98700:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.269
there is things that exist that we can't prove. We98800:55:28.309 --> 00:55:30.570
just have to experience them and make of it what98900:55:30.610 --> 00:55:33.130
we can. And if people can look at this book99000:55:33.170 --> 00:55:38.300
and say, okay, I think I understand the psychology behind99100:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.469
being a ghost and what makes one become one. So99200:55:41.610 --> 00:55:45.949
I can at least avoid those pitfalls and move on99300:55:46.630 --> 00:55:49.389
with my life, not worried about what happens to me99400:55:49.409 --> 00:55:51.239
when I die. Yeah.99500:55:53.090 --> 00:55:53.440
All right.99600:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.980
Yeah. So final question of the night.99700:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.320
We'd like to share. We'd like to get you to share.99800:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.460
We'd like to ask everybody this question, of course, and99900:56:02.500 --> 00:56:04.780
it is a very important one. And it is, where100000:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.460
can people find you, Jeff? Where can they find your work?100100:56:07.599 --> 00:56:08.659
Where can they get in touch?100200:56:09.780 --> 00:56:10.420
Okay. Do the mic.100300:56:11.119 --> 00:56:17.469
Well, I do have a website. It's ourcuriousworld.com. You can100400:56:17.489 --> 00:56:20.670
go there. There's a link there to get the book.100500:56:20.750 --> 00:56:23.309
It'll take you over to Llewellyn. You can also find100600:56:23.789 --> 00:56:27.650
the book and my other books over on Amazon or100700:56:27.690 --> 00:56:30.250
Barnes & Noble, places like that. I also, like I said,100800:56:30.269 --> 00:56:32.909
I have a YouTube channel. I have a link on100900:56:32.929 --> 00:56:35.909
that and my website, so you can go and listen101000:56:35.929 --> 00:56:39.860
to me drone on about stuff. So, Yeah, I'm all101100:56:39.940 --> 00:56:42.000
over the place. I'm out of Denver, Colorado. So if101200:56:42.019 --> 00:56:44.559
you're ever in Denver, come on by and you can101300:56:44.579 --> 00:56:45.420
buy me a hot chocolate.101400:56:46.099 --> 00:56:48.820
There you go. All right, Steph.101500:56:48.940 --> 00:56:52.750
Thank you for being on Paratroop Reborn. It's been a blast.101600:56:53.170 --> 00:56:53.590
All right.101700:56:53.949 --> 00:56:55.449
Thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate it.101800:56:56.090 --> 00:56:56.869
All right, folks.101900:56:57.690 --> 00:57:01.570
As always, we're going to go over the poll that102000:57:01.590 --> 00:57:05.039
we did with our Paratrooper community. And we asked everybody,102100:57:05.300 --> 00:57:10.260
what do you think most ghost encounters actually are. Now102200:57:10.420 --> 00:57:13.369
we had four different answers, but it was a 50,102300:57:13.369 --> 00:57:18.800
50 split. Uh, 50% said spirits of deceased people and102400:57:18.800 --> 00:57:24.119
50% said residual energy or recorded events. If this conversation102500:57:24.360 --> 00:57:29.960
has absolutely changed your mind about what a ghost is,102600:57:30.940 --> 00:57:35.369
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