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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we'll talk with Sean Wilde
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about his book, Living Vampires, Modern Tradition, Magic, and Practice.
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Welcome to Paratruth.
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Hello and welcome everyone to Paratroop Reborn.
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My name is Eric. And I'm Justin.
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And tonight we're talking on a word carrying centuries of baggage.
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That word is vampire. Now most of us were introduced
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to vampires through mythology... horror movies, novels, or television. But
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our guest tonight uses the term in a completely different way. Sean,
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welcome to Paratree 3 Born.
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Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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Thank you for joining us. Now, before we get into
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the practices or philosophy of a living vampire, when you
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use the word vampire, what exactly do you mean?
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Yeah, so I like to kind of give three different
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definitions in terms of differentiating vampirism versus the practice of vampirism.
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And then somebody or something that is vampiric. So vampiric
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people and beings. Vampiric people and beings are babies. Babies
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need a lot of our energy and attention, which is understandable.
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People that are really, really sick. Sometimes narcissists are vampiric
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as well. is you have a wide gamut of people
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that are vampiric. And these are people that are temporarily
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taking our energy, depleting our energy for whatever reason. Sometimes
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for negative reasons, sometimes just because that's what they are.
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You know, babies obviously are negative, it's just what they are.
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Then there's vampirism as a practice. And that's where you
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actually do some sort of magic or occult practice that
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involves vampirism. In both of these cases, neither one of them,
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in my opinion, are actual vampires. One is vampiric, the
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other one is a vampire practitioner. The third category, which
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is what I identify as a vampire or a living vampire,
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sometimes people will say other adjectives before it, like psi
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vampire or sanguinarian vampire. I usually just say vampire. That
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is somebody who has the permanent fundamental need to exchange
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vital energy. So there's four things there. It's a permanent thing.
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It's supposed to temporary. So it's not just somebody who's
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sick temporarily. So it's permanent. It's a fundamental need in
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that if we don't do it, we will get ill,
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something we will deteriorate if we don't do it. To
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exchange energy, because a lot of people think that we
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just take, it's actually an exchange of energy. And then
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the last item is that it's vital energy. So all
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living things exchange universal energy on a pretty constant basis,
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but vampires require specifically vital energy. So it's those four
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criteria that to me defines an actual vampire. Okay, good.
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Well, then that brings up a very interesting question because,
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you know, in vampire folklore, the ones that drink blood
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at least, they're turned as a living vampire or energy vampire.
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Are you kind of born that way or is it
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something you learn to start doing over time?
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How does that work? Yeah, so it's really interesting. So
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most vampires that you talk to will say that you
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can't be turned and that you have to be born one.
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They're not correct. I think some of them just don't
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know any better. And in other cases, they've been taught
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to keep what I'm about to say secret, but I'm
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allowed to talk about it. I've been given permission to
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talk about it. You can be turned into a vampire.
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It's a metasurgical magical technique that involves somebody with the knowledge.
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Usually a vampire doesn't have to be somebody who wants
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the change to happen. and then both people's higher selves.
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So you actually can be turned into one, both on
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a temporary and then on a permanent basis. But most vampires,
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the vast majority that you're going to run into, are
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born that way. They've been vampires for multiple, multiple lifetimes. Okay.
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Right. And why would someone choose to maybe become a vampire,
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let alone, I mean, it's one thing obviously being born,
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into one, but why would someone choose to be one?
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Is it like maybe they notice the health concerns that
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they have and they think vampirism will help them or
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is there something else?
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Yeah, so it can be lots of different reasons. And
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the health concerns, it's interesting. You're the first interviewer to
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ever bring that up. However, it's a really valid point.
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I had a student many, many years ago where I
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taught her to be vampiric. She wasn't a vampire, but
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I taught her to be vampiric. She had an iron
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deficiency and by feeding on energy, she was able to
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offset some of the symptoms, not cure it, not cure
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it in any way, shape or form, but she was
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able to offset the symptoms and live a much more
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fuller life for, for decades, uh, with a really severe
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iron deficiency. So, um, becoming a vampire can offset other
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medical issues for sure, for sure, uh, in certain medical issues. Um,
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It gives you increased magical power, increased energetic power. So
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vampire practitioners, their main goal is to avoid what they
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call the second death. And the second death is this
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whole idea that when you die, you don't remember your
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past lives or you kind of get put in this
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spiritual vat and you're no longer you. You're kind of
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mixed in with other people before you reincarnate again. And
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they want to avoid that. They want to avoid this
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second death. Well, with vampirism as a state of being
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or being turned into one, You start that way. That
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isn't the end goal. That's the starting point. The very
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nature of actual vampirism is a form of spiritual immortality
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where you will remember your past lives. That's not going
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to be a perfect record. It's not going to be
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a hundred percent recall or anything like that. But you'll
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remember more of them than the typical person. You'll remember
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them more quickly. So, yeah. So, actual vampires actually avoid
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the second death. So, there's a number of reasons. And,
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of course, there's the whole mystique too, right? The whole
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you're alert and everything else. Right. Of course.
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Yes.
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Oh, and that's fascinating that this woman had an iron
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deficiency and went to energetic vampirism because there are a
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lot of people, I forget the disease, where their gums
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start receding from their teeth and they have to have
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a infusion of, what is it, plasma or something. You
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would think with that low of an iron deficiency, like
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blood would be a more, readily available thing to get
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that iron back.
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I'm not promoting that, of course, by the way, folks.
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By the way. Yeah, so the disease you're talking about,
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I'm going to butcher the pronunciation, I think, but it's porphyria? Yes. Yeah, right.
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I know what you're talking about. I can see it
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in my head, but I don't know how to pronounce
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it perfectly. Yeah, you'd think so. I mean, iron pills,
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of course, or blood. It would make sense. It kind
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of segues nicely into something I talk about in my book,
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where I talk about how it's my belief that these
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vampires that do consume blood, because there are some vampires
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that do that. They're called sanguinarian vampires or sanguins. I
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believe they're getting the energy in the blood and that
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there's actually the energetic component that they're missing. And I
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talk about that. I talk about, you know, cultural references
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where the soul or the spirits and the blood and
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that sort of thing. But so I think I think
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there must be something to that. even with the iron
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deficiency where there's an energetic component to the iron, obviously
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there's a hard medical scientific, Hey, you need iron, but
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there's a letter behind that as well that the person's requiring,
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which is why she couldn't cure herself, but she could
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offset the symptoms is what I think.
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Well, um, something that I've kind of speculated too is
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like in all the folklore, you know, it's always sucking blood, um,
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you know, what not. And I've always wondered if it
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was just a metaphor for the energetic or psychic vampires feeding. And,
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you know, when you think of life force back in
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the 15, 16.
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17 hundreds, people thought blood.
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They didn't think, oh, we have this energy field around
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us or these energies inside of us. Blood was the
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life essence, the energy.
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That.
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So I've always wondered if it was just a misconceived
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notion that vampires sucked blood. It was just, there was
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a bunch of these things that scared people like the
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plague or porphyria, um, where they would see these people
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with their teeth starting to come out a little bit
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more because their gut gums were receding and stuff like that. So,
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it's fascinating that you said something similar where they're drinking
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the blood to get the energy out of it.
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Yeah.
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It's hard to say like in Europe, certainly there wasn't
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necessarily as widespread knowledge of energy work. You know, we,
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we see people talking about the aura and the chakras
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back into the 1700s. Like one guy is writing about it,
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but yes, it doesn't seem to be widespread. Whereas, you know,
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magic was, but not necessarily energy work, at least in Europe. Um,
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Other parts of the world, yes. But in other parts
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of the world, you actually have vampires that are the
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mythology and the folklore is where they're actually taking in
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energy quite specifically. So it would lend credibility to what
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you're saying. um it's hard to say i think it's
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a mixture of things you know it could be that
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you know some corpses where they thought they were vampires
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when they would dig them up there'd be a little
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bit of blood coming out of the mouth it was
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just a natural decomposition right thing but they're like oh
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look at they're drinking the blood you know and then
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what comes recede as you die so then they look
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like they got fangs like there's all these things going
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on right so i think i think there's multifold for
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sure yeah yeah.
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Well, now, you, of course, have mentioned and Justin had
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mentioned the idea of spirituality when it comes to vampirism.
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In your own path to vampire spirituality, when did you
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realize this was more than simply an interest in vampire
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mythology and that you actually wanted to explore vampirism as
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a path of life?
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So it's interesting. So my first esoteric experiences started happening,
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or more accurately, paranormal, started happening when I was four
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years old. My house was extremely haunted. For those people
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who are a little bit older or have used technology,
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I guess at this point in history, if you remember
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the old roller blinds, where if you looked at them wrong,
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they would just roll up really quickly. Well, in my house,
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when I was four, they would roll down. Of course,
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that's not a chance thing, like that's something that's moving them.
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And And this ghost would talk to me every night.
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And it was soon after that that I kind of
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became involved in the paranormal and then started reading and
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then reading about spooky things at a four-year-old level, of course.
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So I was always interested in things that were different.
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I knew that there seemed to be something different with me,
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but I just thought I was like that weird, weirdy kid. And,
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you know, there's nothing else really to it, you know,
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that sort of thing. But until I was around 17
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years old and I read a book by Rosemary Ellen Giley,
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what was called Vampires Among Us. And I read it
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and I thought, And before this, like I knew about vampires,
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but like I was goth. So I was like, I
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was as into vampires as I was into goth clothing.
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Like I didn't really care one way or the other,
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like in terms of like, like I liked it, but
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it wasn't like, it wasn't everything. I didn't want to
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be a vampire or anything like that. I just, you know,
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vampirism was part of the goth aesthetic sometimes. And reading
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that book though, I thought these are my people, but
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not exactly my people. Like I think, I think it
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might be a vampire, but not the kind of vampires
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that she's talking about in her book. She talks about
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all these different types. And then I thought I was crazy.
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I mean, how can I be a vampire? That's a
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little bit wonky. And I struggled with it for about
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three years, trying to figure out what was going on.
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And I would have outside comments about certain things that
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were odd about me. And I was still trying to
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figure it out. And then I met somebody else in
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university who identified as a vampire as well. So we
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started talking, started comparing notes. We had all these overlapping things.
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I'm like, okay, this is somebody who's closer to what
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I seem to be. And it just kind of grew
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from there. So for me, it wasn't like, Oh, I
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want to be a vampire. I want to be on
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this path. It was a process of discovery of just
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realizing who and what I am. Um, that's more of
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what it was more than anything.
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Okay. That's why it is. It's awesome that you, uh,
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were able to, well, one, except that you felt different
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and were different, but then to eventually find someone who
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kind of like, uh, it was kind of like the
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aha moment. Like, oh, there is other people out there
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or are other people out there like me, you know?
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And it's like, I'm in the same boat, very similar.
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You know, obviously it's not my period, but when it
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comes to like my work, you know, it's like, I've
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worked a number of different jobs throughout my life. And
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over the last five years, I've been working in the
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movie industry. And it's like, when I step on set,
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I mean, there's a lot of weird people in the
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movie industry, but it's like, you know what? I relate.
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Like we can just, you know, talk and have fun
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and not care what anybody else thinks because we're all
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kind of weird. Uh, and it's really great, you know?
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So it's, it's awesome. That's a great story.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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And you've had like multiple people quiz you on philosophy
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about paranormal and stuff while you're on the job.
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Oh yeah. It's great. It's fantastic.
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So, Sean, something that is in your bio and you
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bring it up in the book, too, is that you
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are a figure in the Keprian order. What is Keprian tradition?
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Yeah, so you will get different answers depending on which
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Keprian you talk to, but most of us are pretty similar.
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So the Keprian tradition, until my book, publicly we traced
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it back to Kemet or ancient Egypt. In my book,
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I take the origins back further than that, and I
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talk about that. Again, with permission, I want to stress
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everything in the book that I wrote about the Capriian Order.
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I got the powers that be, people above me and
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people that are purists and people that are newer to
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look at it and give the okay the okay. The
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Capriian Order is essentially a vampire order. It's one of
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the oldest on the planet, as far as we're aware,
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and We've been around a pretty long time and we
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reincarnate together in what's called a soul group. So we
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reincarnate together over and over and over again. And everybody
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in the Caprian order is a vampire. So it's, yeah,
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I don't know where to go from there. It kind
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of depends what else you want to know.
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Well, do you happen to know approximately like how far
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back the organization does go?
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So bear in mind that this is our cosmology and
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our mythology. So I want to be really clear about that.
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That's like, you know, we can talk about energy work
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and that's not going to hopefully get too weird for
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most people. And then we can talk about fair in
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prison and stuff. Hopefully we can get too, too weird
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for people. We can talk about the origins of the
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Keparin order and that might be where it gets weird
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for people and that's okay. So I want to stress that,
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that like, um, this is our cosmology. We believe it.
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And if other people don't, that's fine. I was, I
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encourage people not to reject fan prison outright just because that,
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so on that note, We trace it back to Adelan,
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what we call Adelan, or what modern people, New Agers
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might call Atlantis. So it depends on what you put
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in terms of that timeline. Our estimated timeline is well
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over 20,000 years, potentially longer. We don't really know. It's
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not really a good solid timeline for that. But yeah,
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it's tens of thousands. It's tens of thousands. It's been
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a while. Yeah.
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If you don't mind me also asking, so.
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In your history then, for the Order, in the Order's history,
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do you have, if you're allowed to share, do you
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have any specific, like, origin, at that point, well, I guess,
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origin point, or origin, like, person, was there a spirit
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that maybe started this or something, like, was able to?
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So we differ a little bit here, depending on the
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Keparin that you talk to. So, in a physical body
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on this planet, We have this one priest who claims
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that he was the progenitor, that he created all the
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other Caprians. And the other older Caprians are kind of like, well,
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you know, there's kind of somebody before you and it's
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more of a group effort. But memories are hazy. So
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there is either a singular or a small group of
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people that create the Caprian order and here, basically, and
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create the alteration. So there's three main alterations. There's priest, counselor,
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and warrior. And this one person or group of people
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creates it. I'm one of the people, and I'm with
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the majority, that it was likely a collaborative effort, and
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our original rituals required a group of people to do
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the alteration. So You know, you could say one person
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had the lightbulb moment and then they all collaborated, you know,
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and it gets into, like, who has the lightbulb moment, right?
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But it's a small group of people in a temple
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in Adeland that basically come up with this idea. And
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then they start the alterations. They started with the priest alteration,
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which is the most disconnected from physical reality. And then
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they did the warrior alteration because they wanted people to
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protect them. I'm not around at this point. I was
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initiated in the second string. I'm not the original group.
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No problem. And very early, but not the original, original group.
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And then they created the counselors. So the original Caprians,
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when they kind of like finished their initial creations, if
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you will, the initial Caprians were 72 in number. So
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there were 72 of us. So they started with a
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dozen priests, 30 warriors, and then 30 counselors. So it's
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kind of like, but all in quick succession, like over
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a matter of, I don't know, days, weeks, no one's
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over that three members group. for sure. It's over overly
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course of however long, but in a pretty quick period
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of time, they create this 72. And then at some point,
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some people say years, some people say months, um, uh,
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there's the second string and that's me. I, I, I'm the,
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one of the first people in the second string. So,
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so that's when I come in. So that's also why I, Chris,
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they can't speak with authority as to what happened originally.
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I only can get it related to me by the
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original people that were there.
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Okay.
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And what could they remember of what they claim? So
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we have that in our, in our mythology, uh, Like
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a lot of mythologies, we believe that some of these teachings,
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some of this magic and some of this technology, we
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call magic technology, came from the fallen vultures. So the
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fallen angels that were the vultures. So Book of Binnok
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type stuff, that sort of thing. So that's kind of
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our mythology and our cosmology in a nutshell.
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Okay.
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Now you mentioned earlier that you've been given permission to
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share these secrets. Is that through the Caprian order or
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is that like through vampiric, uh, uh, culture?
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Uh, so, so the Caprian order doesn't answer to any
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other vampire group organization or individual. So it's definitely not that, uh,
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it's within the Keprian order. So there is, um, I
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was going to write a book on vampires. So that
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was a given. And originally I was just going to
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write a little bit about the Keprian order. And then
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I got feedback from other people and they said, no,
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you should write more. It's time. It's time to kind
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of bring some of this stuff to light that, you know, that,
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you know, that, that we can do. So, um, Um,
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we also developed some new technology to introduce into the
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book as well, to kind of introduce it to the
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world that non-Kepreans could do. So we talked about like
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actually summoning Keprean spirits. Cause not all of us are
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in a body. Some of us are, are in spirit
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form right now. Um, we're not incarnated. Um, when I
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say we, other Kepreans, of course I have, of course.
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Yeah.
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So, so I got permission and then I had, I had, uh, um,
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The new people look at the new stuff to make
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sure it made sense. And then anything historical, anything that
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was about our philosophy and stuff like that, I had
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older Caprians. So Caprians basically my age or the original
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ones review it, make sure that I didn't go too far,
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you know, that it was accurate, that sort of thing.
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So yeah, it was a collective effort of people in authority.
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So basically other leaders of other temples, larger leadership than
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that as well. And then other just kind of go-to
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people that have the knowledge and experience. Yeah. Okay.
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Well, I've got so many questions. Um, but one thing
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I do want to want, want to, I guess, get
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some clarification on, um, you talk about the being a
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hierarchy and that you, that there are people above you
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that you basically, you can't overstep. Um, And you have
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to trust their word on certain things. So I guess
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my question is, if you have to trust their word
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is true, which means it may not be, how do
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you know or remember exactly what the hierarchy is? Obviously,
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I can imagine that there's a written book that goes
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way back. This is all just part of the life experience,
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the life-death experience, and reincarnation and all. Um, so how
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do you figure that out? How do you discern that?
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Is that just like a feeling, like a gut feeling
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or intuition, or is there something more behind that?
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Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's so many different places to
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go to that. So first of all, not, not all
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kept brains get along, not all kept brains. So you've
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got some people that are doing their own thing. They're
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running their own temples or just off on their own. Um,
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you got some kept brains that don't believe the cosmology,
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you know, there's a minority of kept brains that are
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like that. So we're definitely not a model. I want to,
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I want to stress that. Um, so that's one thing. Um,
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People can also be fooled and people can also be delusional,
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Caprian or not, obviously. And so there's a huge amount
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of like, how do you ensure things are accurate? And
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some of us are better at it than others. So
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for me, if there's somebody that I think is Caprian,
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I don't start saying, hey. I think you're this, and
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here's all these memories. Do you have one too? I
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don't do anything like that. I'll kind of ask like
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a leading question. So I might say, so what do
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you think about, and then I'll drop some of these
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names from a couple thousand years ago and see what
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kind of reaction they have. Or we'll actually do that.
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We'll have like 50 names, some of which mean nothing
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at all. The red herrings, places, people, things, red herrings,
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and then see what they react to. And if they
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get enough hits, then there's something going on there. for
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those of us who are more experienced and older, there's
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just a certain knowing that, ah, this is right. I
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know it's, it's personal and verified gnosis for sure. Like
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let's get real. That's what it is. But there's a
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certain knowing where it's just like, yes, this makes sense. Um,
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but we don't always all disagree or all agree. You know, there, um,
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of the original 12 priests, there's one in particular where
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that we don't all agree if he's necessarily one of
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the original 12. Um, You know, there's currently some discussion
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about one of the original 30 counselors and whether or
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not that person is actually one of the original 30
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counselors or not. So we don't always necessarily agree. You know,
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my own test for somebody being Caprian is I kind
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of have a threefold level. The first level is I
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have a sense there's a certain mark. I can find
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them on our network, connected to our egregore, if you will.
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My second one is that another Caprian that I trust
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the word of remembers them. And then the third level
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for me is kind of like Caprian 1, 2, and 3,
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I guess, is I actually remember them. So there's some
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Caprians I don't remember. I can look. I'm like, okay,
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you got what you're supposed to have or not have
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what you're not supposed to have. This makes sense. And
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this person I trust says that they remember you from
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this time. I don't remember you. So there's a number
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of Caprians that fall into that boat for me where
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I don't remember them. I remember most of them. The
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ones that I've met this lifetime, I remember almost.
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All of them. Okay. All right.
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So you mentioned initiates and people that have started temples
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and stuff like that. You've helped establish temples and train initiates.
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What does someone actually learn while progressing through this process?
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Yeah, so it depends on the temple.
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So some temples just initiate and then they train. Uh,
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some just initiate and they're like, okay, now you're basically
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on your own and then others do a lead up.
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So I've done all three. Over the course of, of
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since regaining the alteration in terms of being able to
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do it this lifetime. So currently my preferred method is
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to have somebody be trained for almost a year, make
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sure that for their lower self, you know, that that's
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what we would be right now. We're, we're talking amongst
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our lower selves, you know, so, so Justin, Eric, and Sean. really,
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really wants it, and they get some basic training. So
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generally speaking, though, and again, we're not a monolith, but
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generally speaking, people are trained in how to feed, so
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how to take in energy ambiently, surface level, direct, deep.
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They're trained in the ethics of feeding or energy exchange
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and the different implications, the ramifications of feeding, the things
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that are good, the things that are bad. with regards
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to feeding and things to watch out for, both for
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them and for the people that they're taking the energy
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from or exchanging the energy with. They're taught in combat,
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so energetic combat. They're taught in energetic healing, taught in
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energetic defense. So most of us are a firm believer
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that people should learn all three. So we do teach
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all three. They're taught the basics of metasurgery. They're taught
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a reincarnation cycle, spiritual immortality, a spiritual hierarchy, and then
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the core concepts of the subtle body. So what most
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people would call chakras and energy meridians and how that
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works and how it all interplays with their prism. So
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that's kind of the bare bones of what people are
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usually taught. Okay.
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Well, now, you said a little while ago that you
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had had permission to write this book and that it
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was time to kind of let people know who you
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are and who the community is. So this is kind
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of a two-part question. First of all, why was it
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important for this information to come forth? And assuming that
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part of that is maybe to bring on a new
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generation of individuals, how do you preserve the tradition of
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your culture while still evolving to new generations that may
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not see things quite the same?
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Oh my goodness. Well, we're still figuring that last part out. So,
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so there's a couple of things that, so, This lifetime,
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it was really important to me personally to start putting
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out Easter eggs for myself and for other Caprians for
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future lifetimes. So, you know, normal people think about what
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am I doing tomorrow and next week and a year
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from now, the five-year plan, the 10-year plan, and maybe retirement, right?
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Things like that. Caprians do that too. We also think
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lifetimes ahead. So I think about 100 years from now.
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I think about 1,000 years from now. I think about
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many 1,000 years from now. So I'm planning that too,
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as well as my retirement and, you know, a year
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from now and tomorrow and things like that. So, you know,51200:28:06.259 --> 00:28:07.599
one of the reasons I wrote the book, one of51300:28:07.619 --> 00:28:08.980
the reasons why I write all the books that I51400:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.700
do is that I'm writing it for myself so that51500:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.859
when I read it a hundred years from now, I51600:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.829
awaken again. I remember what I am. I don't have51700:28:18.849 --> 00:28:20.829
to rely on Rosemary Ellen Guiley to help me along.51800:28:21.289 --> 00:28:21.450
Right.51900:28:21.670 --> 00:28:26.190
I'll help myself along. But also help. other vampires along,52000:28:26.230 --> 00:28:28.559
not just cap rings, but other vampires or people that52100:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.839
are just different and awakening to magic. So I wrote52200:28:31.859 --> 00:28:35.180
it for myself, my future self. I wrote it for52300:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.539
people now to help them awaken. And I wrote it52400:28:40.160 --> 00:28:41.900
for people in the future to help them awaken to.52500:28:41.920 --> 00:28:43.740
So that was one of the core reasons why I52600:28:43.819 --> 00:28:46.140
really felt the book was needed now. I don't think52700:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.200
there's a lot of books like that out there that52800:28:48.220 --> 00:28:51.579
are designed specifically to help awaken people. They make them aware,52900:28:51.619 --> 00:28:54.099
of course, any magic book, it's going to make you53000:28:54.140 --> 00:28:56.480
more aware of things for sure. But, uh, the, the53100:28:56.500 --> 00:28:58.740
books that I do, they're all spells as well. The53200:28:58.759 --> 00:29:00.920
book itself is a spell to help awaken people. It's53300:29:00.940 --> 00:29:04.089
specifically designed that way. So, and I can't speak to53400:29:04.109 --> 00:29:06.009
other authors, whether or not they're doing that or not. I,53500:29:06.450 --> 00:29:08.630
there's one that I think is for sure. Uh, I53600:29:08.650 --> 00:29:11.170
don't know about other ones, but I'm sure it's not53700:29:11.190 --> 00:29:14.069
the majority of us that are doing that. Um, so,53800:29:15.220 --> 00:29:17.400
Spells in the books, yes. The book itself being a spell,53900:29:17.420 --> 00:29:19.759
I think, is a little bit more rare. So that54000:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.640
was one of the main reasons. The other reason was54100:29:23.769 --> 00:29:26.250
just to get more information about the Caprian order out there.54200:29:26.490 --> 00:29:28.789
We've got some information from other authors. We've got other54300:29:28.829 --> 00:29:30.910
people that are Caprians, but they're hiding it. They're being54400:29:30.950 --> 00:29:32.970
secretive about it. They're writing books about all kinds of54500:29:32.990 --> 00:29:34.880
different things, but they don't want people to know they're Caprian,54600:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.259
which is, of course, their choice. And that's one of54700:29:37.299 --> 00:29:39.000
the rules. We don't expose Caprians unless they want to54800:29:39.019 --> 00:29:42.490
be exposed. But it was just time to kind of54900:29:42.579 --> 00:29:45.660
show more stuff about what was going on in the order.55000:29:45.700 --> 00:29:49.200
We just decided it was time. And again, some of55100:29:49.220 --> 00:29:50.799
that's a little bit internal that I can't talk about,55200:29:50.819 --> 00:29:53.759
but most of it was just like to show what's55300:29:53.779 --> 00:29:55.539
going on and what we do. In terms of the55400:29:55.599 --> 00:29:59.809
new people, there was discussion about whether or not how55500:29:59.849 --> 00:30:02.309
much to open up membership. And because we have access55600:30:02.329 --> 00:30:05.630
to the alteration again, so this is something I should clarify.55700:30:05.990 --> 00:30:10.079
The last people that were altered in the Keplerian order,55800:30:10.380 --> 00:30:12.819
there was a group of them that were altered around 2,00055900:30:12.819 --> 00:30:17.140
years ago. And before that group of people, there was56000:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.900
one person altered around 4,000 years ago. There weren't really56100:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.170
any other alterations except all the way back to what56200:30:24.190 --> 00:30:27.839
we call Adelaine. So Adelaine, we haven't altered people to56300:30:27.859 --> 00:30:29.920
our knowledge. There might be somebody running around who was56400:30:29.980 --> 00:30:32.119
able to, but to our knowledge, you know, nobody was56500:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.859
getting altered again and so formally initiated into the Keplerian56600:30:35.900 --> 00:30:43.670
order until the early 2000s of this lifetime for 2000 years. So,56700:30:44.069 --> 00:30:46.589
you know, part of it's like an excitement that, hey,56800:30:46.630 --> 00:30:49.250
we've got access to the alteration again. Let's start altering56900:30:49.289 --> 00:30:51.430
people again and, you know, kind of growing the ranks57000:30:51.470 --> 00:30:53.970
and getting in some new blood and new ideas. We57100:30:54.009 --> 00:30:57.099
want the new ideas. We want We want to change57200:30:57.140 --> 00:30:59.900
with the times and have more modern ways of thinking.57300:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.420
And to do that, even though, you know, I'm a57400:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.019
modern person, you know, you're boring. It was just a57500:31:06.019 --> 00:31:09.720
few decades ago. The reality is the Keplerian way of thinking,57600:31:09.740 --> 00:31:13.430
you know, the multiple lifetimes to remember, it influences you greatly,57700:31:13.509 --> 00:31:16.549
both positively and negatively. And so having people that don't57800:31:16.589 --> 00:31:20.829
necessarily remember their past lives yet, influencing the order now,57900:31:20.849 --> 00:31:23.690
I think it's critical to help us grow and modernize58000:31:24.410 --> 00:31:25.670
and adapt and evolve.58100:31:26.059 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah.58200:31:27.440 --> 00:31:27.819
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Alright folks, welcome back to Paratroop Reborn. We've been talking59500:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.869
to Sean Wilde about his book Living Vampires. Now, for59600:32:35.930 --> 00:32:40.529
somebody who is like, yeah, I want to become a vampire,59700:32:40.970 --> 00:32:43.769
you know, I believe that it's one of the things59800:32:43.829 --> 00:32:47.750
I want to choose to do. What, and only if59900:32:47.769 --> 00:32:51.819
you can share, what is the process in becoming a vampire?60000:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.160
Yeah. So one thing I want to stress in terms60100:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.789
of the book, the book has a lot of some60200:32:57.089 --> 00:32:59.630
foundational stuff about energy work. So even if you're not60300:32:59.670 --> 00:33:03.380
even interested in vampirism, the book as an energy workbook60400:33:03.390 --> 00:33:05.869
will be really valuable to people. And if people want60500:33:05.910 --> 00:33:08.819
to learn how to practice vampirism or be vampiric, the60600:33:08.859 --> 00:33:10.440
book will help them do that too. So the book60700:33:10.500 --> 00:33:13.200
isn't necessarily for people that want to be vampires, although60800:33:13.220 --> 00:33:16.440
obviously it's definitely part of the audience. And it's also60900:33:16.460 --> 00:33:18.960
not necessarily just for people that already know that they're61000:33:18.980 --> 00:33:21.720
a vampire. That's also part of the audience, of course.61100:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.170
I just wanted to mention that as an aside. You know,61200:33:24.250 --> 00:33:26.609
just the spirit working with the Keprian spirits, for anybody61300:33:26.630 --> 00:33:29.630
who's familiar with the Goetia, you've got that too, where61400:33:29.650 --> 00:33:31.769
it's kind of like a Goetic type thing going on61500:33:31.789 --> 00:33:34.230
where you can work with the Keprian spirits because most61600:33:34.369 --> 00:33:37.029
of most of our brothers and sisters in the order61700:33:37.710 --> 00:33:40.980
are very willing to, to work with, with the embodied61800:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.680
or people that are incarnated. So having said that, having61900:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.640
said that in terms of the process of becoming a vampire.62000:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.019
So if it's more of like awakening, the book will62100:33:50.059 --> 00:33:53.160
hopefully help do that. If it's actually becoming one being altered,62200:33:54.259 --> 00:33:58.069
you know, they need to find somebody who first is62300:33:58.170 --> 00:34:02.450
willing to alter them, has the ability to alter them and,62400:34:03.130 --> 00:34:06.180
really ideally has the permission to talk to them as well, right?62500:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.699
So it's the permission to initiate, right? Like any other group,62600:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.539
you might have somebody who knows how to do the initiation,62700:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.239
but they're not really supposed to, they're not authorized to, right?62800:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.179
So they really need to find somebody who matches those62900:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.679
three criteria. And there aren't many of us. There are63000:34:20.780 --> 00:34:25.460
currently one, two, three, four, there are currently five people63100:34:25.619 --> 00:34:28.400
on this continent. So Turtle Island, North America, there are63200:34:28.460 --> 00:34:31.039
five people on this continent that have those three criteria.63300:34:31.119 --> 00:34:36.739
They're willing to They're able. Excuse me. Sorry, guys. They're able.63400:34:37.079 --> 00:34:43.980
And they have permission. There's five. And I'm one of them. So, yeah,63500:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.070
the willing, able, and permission. Yeah, there's only five of us. Now,63600:34:47.090 --> 00:34:49.489
there are more that are able. There are more of63700:34:49.550 --> 00:34:51.510
us that are able, but they're not willing. And there's63800:34:51.530 --> 00:34:54.369
a couple that don't have permission. So, yeah, there's only63900:34:54.409 --> 00:34:56.130
five of us. So that's one thing is that if64000:34:56.170 --> 00:34:59.400
anybody wants to, definitely encourage them to reach out to me.64100:34:59.969 --> 00:35:01.650
I can put them in touch with the nearest person64200:35:01.670 --> 00:35:06.889
who's authorized to. That would be my strongest suggestion. I'm64300:35:07.010 --> 00:35:09.230
sure that invariably I'm going to start having people claiming64400:35:09.289 --> 00:35:12.820
that they can do this or that they're authorized. So64500:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.280
definitely start with me and then we can find out64600:35:15.699 --> 00:35:18.539
where to send you type of thing. In terms of64700:35:18.579 --> 00:35:22.340
what's involved, again, it depends on the temple and how64800:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.860
they're going to do it. But there is an initiation64900:35:24.900 --> 00:35:31.900
which involves metasurgical practice and ritual. So there is an65000:35:31.980 --> 00:35:35.500
alteration of the person's subtle body. And I get into65100:35:35.539 --> 00:35:37.659
that a little bit in the book about what that65200:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.159
looks like. But the actual details of initiation, much like65300:35:40.219 --> 00:35:44.519
most initiatory groups, we don't talk about that. You know,65400:35:44.539 --> 00:35:47.519
what I do tell people is that you don't get naked.65500:35:48.139 --> 00:35:54.400
You don't get naked and there's nothing violent. And, you know,65600:35:54.539 --> 00:35:56.599
that's all I say is that, you know, that you65700:35:56.619 --> 00:35:59.110
don't get naked and there's nothing violent. And like any65800:35:59.150 --> 00:36:01.360
other initiatory group, there are vows to be made as well.65900:36:01.469 --> 00:36:04.019
But other than that, yeah, I'm not allowed to disclose66000:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.860
anything else about initiation. The actual initiatory process and ritual, though,66100:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.550
like it's relatively quick. You know, there's some initiations I66200:36:12.590 --> 00:36:14.309
know with certain groups, they take a week or more.66300:36:14.670 --> 00:36:17.010
Ours is, you know, it's an evening. It's an evening66400:36:17.190 --> 00:36:19.789
or a morning, but usually, you know, For the vibes,66500:36:19.849 --> 00:36:22.130
we usually do it in the evening at night, naturally.66600:36:22.829 --> 00:36:27.269
It's a big paranormal investigation. You can do them during66700:36:27.289 --> 00:36:29.179
the day, but people are always like, well, why don't66800:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.019
we just do it at night?66900:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.460
Yeah, exactly. It's the point you've got to play the role.67000:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.440
When you see the moon during the day, why howl67100:36:36.519 --> 00:36:37.119
at it then when.67200:36:37.059 --> 00:36:39.980
You can just do it when it's dark? That's what67300:36:40.039 --> 00:36:40.320
I do.67400:36:40.340 --> 00:36:42.219
I've already thought about that.67500:36:44.610 --> 00:36:48.210
Well, now, one of the central ideas, of course, in67600:36:48.250 --> 00:36:51.320
this book is the idea of feeding. And of course,67700:36:51.340 --> 00:36:55.630
whenever anyone thinks about vampires, they're naturally thinking about feeding.67800:36:55.690 --> 00:36:57.949
And we've talked a little bit about this earlier on67900:36:58.010 --> 00:37:03.789
in this episode. But what does feeding mean within the68000:37:03.829 --> 00:37:07.780
living vampire practice? And is this something that you need68100:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.059
to have consent for? Or is it something that can,68200:37:11.300 --> 00:37:13.440
you know, can go in and just steal energy as68300:37:13.480 --> 00:37:13.900
you will?68400:37:14.420 --> 00:37:14.559
Yeah.68500:37:14.579 --> 00:37:14.679
Yeah.68600:37:15.230 --> 00:37:18.050
Um, so again, the vampire community is not a monolith68700:37:18.070 --> 00:37:20.489
and even within the Keprean order, we're not a monolith. So,68800:37:20.730 --> 00:37:24.130
so I'll speak in generalities about it because in some groups,68900:37:24.150 --> 00:37:27.730
they don't even agree with the different categories. Um, almost69000:37:27.769 --> 00:37:30.369
all vampires agree to this. There's three categories for sure,69100:37:30.409 --> 00:37:34.449
which is ambient surface and direct feeding. Uh, I think69200:37:34.489 --> 00:37:38.070
there's a fourth one, more, more experienced vampires tend to69300:37:38.110 --> 00:37:39.989
agree with me and we call that deep feeding. So,69400:37:40.090 --> 00:37:42.650
so we tend to draw four, four categories as opposed69500:37:42.670 --> 00:37:48.000
to three. Um, Almost all vampires will agree that ambient69600:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.519
feeding does not require consent. And ambient feeding is, you know,69700:37:51.539 --> 00:37:53.900
I live here in New Orleans. You walk down Bourbon Street,69800:37:53.980 --> 00:37:56.159
everybody's partying. There's all this energy in the air and69900:37:56.179 --> 00:37:58.219
you scoop up the energy that's in the air. For70000:37:58.300 --> 00:38:00.710
people that aren't familiar with that, think like a concert70100:38:01.110 --> 00:38:02.829
or a nightclub or you're going to see your favorite70200:38:02.849 --> 00:38:05.190
band and everybody's all excited and they're jumping around. There's70300:38:05.230 --> 00:38:06.550
all this energy in the air. I mean, you can70400:38:06.570 --> 00:38:09.230
even have this at certain churches. And it's just kind70500:38:09.250 --> 00:38:13.500
of like free-floating energy. That's ambient feeding. And so, you know, there's,70600:38:13.579 --> 00:38:16.199
there's a consensus. I, it's not even a hundred percent,70700:38:16.219 --> 00:38:19.489
but it's pretty darn close that they never requires consent70800:38:19.630 --> 00:38:21.650
because it's already being given off by the people. They've70900:38:21.670 --> 00:38:26.789
already released that. On the opposite end, you have deep feeding,71000:38:26.809 --> 00:38:30.989
which is an extremely deep, um, intimate connection typically with somebody.71100:38:31.730 --> 00:38:35.230
where you can spontaneously awaken them. You can see some71200:38:35.269 --> 00:38:38.750
of their past lives sometimes, sometimes memories from this lifetime.71300:38:38.809 --> 00:38:41.510
Sometimes they'll get memories of yours or images from this71400:38:41.550 --> 00:38:44.340
lifetime of you, depending on how the exchange works. It's71500:38:44.380 --> 00:38:49.159
very intimate. It's very intense. And almost unanimously, we believe71600:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.070
that that requires consent. I actually take it a step71700:38:53.150 --> 00:38:57.050
further and I actually say that people can't give informed71800:38:57.130 --> 00:38:59.849
consent for it because you don't know what you're in71900:38:59.909 --> 00:39:01.980
for until you've experienced it. So we can try and72000:39:02.019 --> 00:39:05.699
inform as best we can what it means, but no72100:39:05.780 --> 00:39:08.219
one can truly give informed consent for deep feeding until72200:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.280
they've actually experienced it once. And so I actually talk72300:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.840
about that when I talk about the ethics of feeding72400:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.340
and feeding in general, that I don't believe anybody can72500:39:15.409 --> 00:39:18.010
truly consent to deep feeding until it's happened once to72600:39:18.030 --> 00:39:19.610
them because they just don't know what they're in for.72700:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.199
And it's something that I think is really important to consider.72800:39:24.159 --> 00:39:26.849
So that's the two kind of opposite spectrums. Where vampires72900:39:26.889 --> 00:39:31.539
disagree a lot is surface feeding and direct feeding. So73000:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.059
surface feeding is like, I'm going to give some physical examples.73100:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.320
It doesn't mean that it has to be physical, but73200:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.420
just so people can understand. So surface feeding would be73300:39:40.460 --> 00:39:43.179
like a handshake, a quick pat on the back, a73400:39:43.219 --> 00:39:45.460
kiss on the cheek, maybe a very quick kiss on73500:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.099
the lips, that sort of thing. It doesn't have to73600:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.840
be physical, but that's the energetic equivalent of it. It's73700:39:50.860 --> 00:39:53.780
a quick little wipe across the top type of thing,73800:39:54.300 --> 00:39:56.179
across the surface. That's why we call it surface feeding.73900:39:56.980 --> 00:39:59.860
Vampires are pretty split on that. A number say, well,74000:39:59.880 --> 00:40:02.159
you're already getting into the person's subtle body or energy body,74100:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.579
so you need consent. Others say there's an implication of74200:40:05.619 --> 00:40:08.420
consent if you're actually physically touching them. Then others will74300:40:08.460 --> 00:40:12.099
say that you're taking so little and it's so surface,74400:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.099
as long as you do it gently and carefully, you74500:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.880
don't require consent. So it really depends on the vampire,74600:40:17.949 --> 00:40:21.679
for sure, for sure. Then you have direct feeding. And74700:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.260
that's the most common way that a more experienced vampire74800:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.920
will typically take stuff in. And most vampires will say74900:40:27.940 --> 00:40:30.440
that you need consent for that. And that's because you're75000:40:30.460 --> 00:40:33.050
now tapping directly into the subtle body. You're tapping directly75100:40:33.070 --> 00:40:36.610
into the chakras more often than not. Physically, think of75200:40:36.650 --> 00:40:40.889
it like a prolonged hug, making up for a little bit, cuddling.75300:40:41.539 --> 00:40:43.920
It could be holding hands for a long period of time,75400:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.460
that sort of thing. Again, it doesn't have to be physical.75500:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.360
There are some vampires who feed through sex and sexual activities,75600:40:49.659 --> 00:40:51.679
but it doesn't have to be physical. I'm just giving75700:40:51.699 --> 00:40:54.800
these physical examples to kind of give a conception of75800:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.949
it to people who aren't necessarily familiar with energy work.75900:40:58.429 --> 00:41:00.369
So with that, when you think of these physical things,76000:41:00.630 --> 00:41:03.690
these physical things require consent. And so that's why most76100:41:03.710 --> 00:41:07.820
vampires default that energetically it also requires consent. But again,76200:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.820
there's debate because they say, well, somebody's consenting to kissing you.76300:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.500
Then the implication is you can take some of their energy.76400:41:13.539 --> 00:41:15.460
And other vampires are like, no, no, no. You know,76500:41:15.500 --> 00:41:19.639
that's not an implication. So it's definitely debated. We have76600:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.340
a pretty famous Sanguinarian vampire here in New Orleans called Balthazar.76700:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.260
And he actually wrote the Dorner's Bill of Rights. And76800:41:25.980 --> 00:41:28.280
it was to help safeguard people that, you know, are76900:41:28.320 --> 00:41:33.659
willing to consciously give energy or blood in the case77000:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.269
of Balthazar to a vampire. And so in there, it77100:41:38.309 --> 00:41:41.409
talks a lot about the ethics of feeding. Raven Caldera77200:41:41.510 --> 00:41:44.480
actually wrote an entire book called The Ethical Psychic Vampire.77300:41:44.940 --> 00:41:46.699
And it is still, you know, I have the good77400:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.320
fortune to come after other authors, right? So I get77500:41:49.340 --> 00:41:53.500
to build on what they've already done. But certainly Raven's77600:41:53.900 --> 00:41:56.280
book is still the most superior book about vampire ethics77700:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.179
that's out there. Because the entire book is just that.77800:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.230
It's just ethics. My book has that. It's got a77900:42:00.250 --> 00:42:02.909
chapter on it. I talk about ethics throughout. But Raven's78000:42:02.929 --> 00:42:04.630
book is really, really amazing for anybody who wants to78100:42:04.670 --> 00:42:08.010
explore ethics a little bit more deeply. Raven Caldera's book78200:42:08.150 --> 00:42:11.250
The Ethical Psychic Vampire is amazing so that's kind of78300:42:11.269 --> 00:42:13.010
the long and short of it ambient you don't need78400:42:13.030 --> 00:42:16.929
permission deep you do blood feeding you always do because78500:42:16.949 --> 00:42:20.250
there's something physical happening right you always do no exceptions78600:42:20.250 --> 00:42:25.829
100% everybody agrees and then surface and direct feeding there's78700:42:25.849 --> 00:42:28.289
debate within the vampire community depending on who you talk78800:42:28.329 --> 00:42:31.829
to what I would say is ideally ideally you always78900:42:31.869 --> 00:42:35.659
want consent in an ideal world you really do Because79000:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.480
it's the safer and more ethical way to go. Right. Well, no, absolutely. Yeah.79100:42:41.239 --> 00:42:46.739
Well, and we had the privilege to have Michelle Bellinger79200:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.429
on with us. And they were a huge part of79300:42:52.150 --> 00:42:55.809
how we learned about psychic or energy vampires.79400:42:55.849 --> 00:43:00.820
Because way back when, they were on a.79500:43:02.949 --> 00:43:07.269
Vampire special or documentary and was talking about it a lot.79600:43:09.030 --> 00:43:10.469
So it's fascinating.79700:43:10.489 --> 00:43:13.190
A lot of what you're saying makes a lot of79800:43:13.230 --> 00:43:20.539
sense just from watching those documentaries. So you also teach79900:43:20.619 --> 00:43:29.059
about protecting against energy siphoning. How can someone recognize when80000:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.940
that interaction is happening and be able to protect themselves.80100:43:33.420 --> 00:43:33.860
Yeah.80200:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.199
So it's also different ways.80300:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.960
I found that most of us have some sort of80400:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.530
almost like psychic energetic tell. So mine is I start80500:43:40.550 --> 00:43:42.090
to get a pressure on the back of my neck80600:43:42.190 --> 00:43:44.329
when somebody is really, really focused on me for good80700:43:44.449 --> 00:43:47.590
or for ill. So the first is determining what your80800:43:47.630 --> 00:43:49.809
tell is, where somebody is trying to do something to80900:43:49.849 --> 00:43:51.809
you or really, really focused. And you just got to81000:43:51.849 --> 00:43:53.599
figure out what that is. That's one of the things.81100:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.760
The other thing, too, though, is are you feeling kind81200:43:56.860 --> 00:43:59.780
of wobbly? Are you feeling energy depleted, especially if it's81300:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.619
somebody that you're around a lot? You can start to81400:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.130
kind of mark, hey, whenever I'm around Frank, I'm always81500:44:05.269 --> 00:44:07.409
I'm always talking. I'm always getting in, you know, kind81600:44:07.429 --> 00:44:10.170
of feeling kind of drained, you know, that sort of thing.81700:44:10.929 --> 00:44:13.269
After you're out somewhere, look for the person who's kind81800:44:13.309 --> 00:44:15.829
of hanging off off to the side or in the81900:44:15.889 --> 00:44:17.719
center of the room. So either the center of the82000:44:17.760 --> 00:44:19.920
attention or trying to get no attention at all, kind82100:44:19.940 --> 00:44:22.300
of like a dark corridor in a bar type of thing.82200:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.079
It's often one extreme or the other with a lot82300:44:25.099 --> 00:44:28.360
of vampires. Some are really obvious where they're actually holding82400:44:28.380 --> 00:44:30.599
up their hand or their hand to the side with82500:44:30.619 --> 00:44:33.840
their palm chakra. There's a chakra in the palm. Energy82600:44:33.860 --> 00:44:37.230
center for people who aren't aware. Facing towards the people82700:44:37.250 --> 00:44:43.230
that they're feeding from. So sometimes there's telltale signs, right? Yeah,82800:44:43.630 --> 00:44:46.610
it will really depend though on the vampire. Are they82900:44:46.630 --> 00:44:49.389
doing it consciously, unconsciously? How strongly are they doing it?83000:44:49.710 --> 00:44:51.909
How often are they around them? You know, that sort83100:44:51.949 --> 00:44:54.800
of thing to pick up on it. If you can83200:44:54.860 --> 00:44:57.480
sense energy, what you'll see is almost like this fishing83300:44:57.539 --> 00:45:00.000
line of energy reach out from the vampire to you83400:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.340
and then basically energy pulsating going down this tendril of83500:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.420
energy from you to them. And again, it will be83600:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.639
an exchange. It'll just be an uneven one. So how83700:45:08.659 --> 00:45:11.570
do you protect yourself? Well, the easiest way and safest83800:45:11.610 --> 00:45:14.659
way is just get out of the area. Most vampires83900:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.639
feed by line of sight. There's definitely exceptions, but most84000:45:18.039 --> 00:45:20.559
are kind of lazy that way. So if you can84100:45:20.579 --> 00:45:22.539
get out along a site, most of them are going84200:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.929
to stop. And some of them can't do anything other84300:45:24.949 --> 00:45:25.710
than the line of sight.84400:45:26.090 --> 00:45:28.730
So those are just like most predators. You get lazy84500:45:28.750 --> 00:45:29.469
and won't pursue.84600:45:29.780 --> 00:45:33.710
Yeah, okay. And vampirism, you know, predator, of course, in84700:45:33.730 --> 00:45:36.989
certain congregations is really, really bad. But vampires, from an84800:45:37.010 --> 00:45:40.050
energetic standpoint, are predators, just like a wolf is a predator, right?84900:45:40.090 --> 00:45:43.590
You know, a vampire needs to feed. The question is,85000:45:43.690 --> 00:45:45.510
where are you on that spectrum? And that's why some85100:45:45.590 --> 00:45:48.389
vampires argue the consent thing, right? Some are more predatory85200:45:48.409 --> 00:45:51.429
and some are less predatory. And that's just reality. That's85300:45:51.449 --> 00:45:54.570
just keeping it real. You know, there are certain vampire85400:45:54.590 --> 00:45:56.369
groups that are extremely predatory, and there are some that85500:45:56.389 --> 00:45:59.440
are extremely not. Right. So there's that as well as85600:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.530
entire groups. But so, yeah, so one thing, it's really85700:46:02.550 --> 00:46:03.849
funny that you said a bit about the predator because85800:46:03.869 --> 00:46:06.769
it's dead on. So breaking the line of sight is good.85900:46:07.369 --> 00:46:09.769
If you feel safe, you can challenge them. But I mean,86000:46:09.789 --> 00:46:11.789
you got to worry about physicality and stuff like that.86100:46:11.809 --> 00:46:13.010
So I did that. I talked about it in my86200:46:13.050 --> 00:46:14.750
book where I saw I caught a guy feeding on86300:46:14.789 --> 00:46:16.380
this girl. It's like I kind of sat beside him.86400:46:16.670 --> 00:46:18.920
I'm like, what you doing? what's going on and i86500:46:19.179 --> 00:46:20.619
did in that kind of voice he's like oh oh86600:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.139
and then of course he stopped right um but i86700:46:23.159 --> 00:46:24.940
felt confident in what i was doing and where i86800:46:24.980 --> 00:46:26.570
was you know you got to be aware like that86900:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.030
could become physical if you do that right right um87000:46:29.110 --> 00:46:31.150
but it is a good way if you can a87100:46:31.190 --> 00:46:33.889
lot of vampires we take ourselves pretty seriously so if87200:46:33.909 --> 00:46:36.570
you if you make fun of us uh especially live87300:46:36.610 --> 00:46:38.309
like that like in a bar because that's where the87400:46:38.329 --> 00:46:39.969
setting it was even if this is like poking a87500:46:39.989 --> 00:46:42.909
little bit of fun um that will typically disrupt a87600:46:42.949 --> 00:46:48.130
lot of us um and we definitely don't want attention87700:46:48.170 --> 00:46:50.250
to it, right? Anybody who's feeding, like, in a bar87800:46:50.309 --> 00:46:52.050
setting that way, they don't want attention to it. So87900:46:52.130 --> 00:46:54.489
drawing attention to it is a really great way, again,88000:46:54.550 --> 00:46:57.469
if you feel safe. And also, you better be right,88100:46:57.510 --> 00:46:58.130
otherwise you're going to.88200:46:58.110 --> 00:46:59.920
Look at some person and.88300:46:59.820 --> 00:47:03.739
They're going to be like, who is this person? So88400:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.400
there is that. Energetically speaking, though, so a lot of88500:47:06.420 --> 00:47:08.519
books will talk about, well, just shield yourself. And I'm like, okay,88600:47:08.539 --> 00:47:11.019
so you're going to shield yourself with energy from somebody88700:47:11.039 --> 00:47:14.090
who takes energy. Explain to me how that's going to work.88800:47:14.110 --> 00:47:18.519
I'll So normal shields won't work. The vampire will just88900:47:18.539 --> 00:47:21.239
feed on the shield. It will create the illusion of working,89000:47:21.260 --> 00:47:23.400
but it won't actually work. However, there is a shield89100:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.320
that does work. And so I call it the slippery shield.89200:47:25.340 --> 00:47:26.960
So if you think of like a sphere of energy89300:47:26.980 --> 00:47:29.059
around you, or if it has to be closer because89400:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.550
you've got people around you, you make it closer. But ideally,89500:47:31.590 --> 00:47:33.679
it should be a sphere. And you make it slippery.89600:47:34.289 --> 00:47:38.250
Not reflective, but slippery. So a slippery shield of energy.89700:47:38.809 --> 00:47:41.429
And again, with nothing that anything can grab onto. So89800:47:41.469 --> 00:47:44.019
it can't be sticky. It can't have like little grooves89900:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.059
in it and stuff like that. It's got to be90000:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.320
completely smooth and slippery. What happens is when the vampire90100:47:48.340 --> 00:47:50.489
tries to feed on you, the tendril of energy goes90200:47:50.590 --> 00:47:52.429
out and it hits the slippery shield and it slips off.90300:47:53.590 --> 00:47:56.269
like slippery ice. For people from the North, like black ice.90400:47:56.610 --> 00:47:58.309
For people from the North that are familiar with that,90500:47:58.369 --> 00:48:01.449
it's like black. For people who aren't, just think something90600:48:01.489 --> 00:48:04.300
really slippery. And that's the best way I can put it, right?90700:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.619
But again, not reflective and completely smooth. Those are really90800:48:08.119 --> 00:48:11.820
key points. The color doesn't really matter. I typically make90900:48:11.840 --> 00:48:15.460
it white or electric blue or off-gray. You don't want91000:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.579
to make it super dark because it might actually attract91100:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.219
the tendril of energy. Not because it's wrong, it's just91200:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.929
more of like, what's more effective? But that works really,91300:48:24.989 --> 00:48:28.860
really well. Really experienced vampires know how to get around that.91400:48:29.079 --> 00:48:30.619
I don't teach that. I don't teach how to get91500:48:30.659 --> 00:48:32.480
around it. I know how to get around it because91600:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.260
I came up with that shield. But I teach that91700:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.599
shield to help people protect themselves when it's just too91800:48:39.639 --> 00:48:41.760
much or when they're being fed on without their consent91900:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.590
or when it's just somebody who's unconscious. They're unconsciously feeding92000:48:45.650 --> 00:48:48.849
on people or they're vampiric. A lot of the so-called92100:48:48.889 --> 00:48:51.809
vampires that get a bad rap, are actually vampiric people92200:48:51.849 --> 00:48:54.230
and beings. They're not actual vampires. Yeah. It's just the92300:48:54.250 --> 00:48:57.159
end result is the same for the person being drained. Right.92400:48:57.699 --> 00:49:01.300
Yeah. Well now, so for like someone who has been92500:49:01.659 --> 00:49:06.199
drained without consent, someone who just, you know, at the92600:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.539
party or wherever, you know, and they come home just92700:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.909
completely drained after hanging out with their vampiric friend or92800:49:10.929 --> 00:49:14.190
around somebody who maybe was an actual vampire feeding off92900:49:14.230 --> 00:49:18.730
of them. What is one of the easiest or quickest93000:49:18.829 --> 00:49:23.500
ways to regain that energy source back within them? Because,93100:49:23.539 --> 00:49:27.119
you know, that kind of thing could cause people to93200:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.679
become even physically sick or mentally sick if too much93300:49:30.739 --> 00:49:31.719
energy is drawn from them.93400:49:32.059 --> 00:49:36.369
Yeah, for sure. I mean, so unless it's prolonged and sustained,93500:49:36.949 --> 00:49:39.539
most people are going to recover pretty quickly. You're absolutely right.93600:49:39.579 --> 00:49:41.920
If too much energy is taken from somebody, especially over93700:49:41.989 --> 00:49:43.860
time or if they're already in a really vulnerable state,93800:49:43.889 --> 00:49:47.210
it can make somebody more ill or depressed. I look93900:49:47.230 --> 00:49:50.230
at it like probability, right? So you've got a 15%94000:49:50.230 --> 00:49:52.789
chance of getting sick that day and somebody's taking a94100:49:52.789 --> 00:49:54.969
lot of your energy. Well, maybe now it's going to94200:49:55.010 --> 00:49:58.170
be 60% or 17%. And that's still a decent increase.94300:49:58.190 --> 00:50:01.550
That's still a potential problem. So to be a little94400:50:01.570 --> 00:50:03.630
bit cheeky, the quickest and easiest way is to feed94500:50:03.690 --> 00:50:06.460
on somebody. Here's the taste when he's at it. But94600:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.980
then you get an extraneous cycle. But that's the quickest94700:50:11.019 --> 00:50:13.599
and easiest way. The other easiest way is that for94800:50:13.619 --> 00:50:16.900
the people that do this is to cycle energy with94900:50:16.920 --> 00:50:22.219
the planet because people who aren't vampires can cycle universal energy.95000:50:22.579 --> 00:50:25.699
That can help kind of kickstart the vital energy process again.95100:50:25.719 --> 00:50:27.670
It will make them feel better. Part of it's a95200:50:27.710 --> 00:50:30.210
little bit of a placebo, but it will replenish any95300:50:30.269 --> 00:50:33.750
universal energy that they've lost trying to fight it. So95400:50:33.769 --> 00:50:36.500
that can work well too. People that work with certain95500:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.199
deities and stuff, they can ask them to see if95600:50:38.219 --> 00:50:40.260
they can lend them anything and see what the deity does.95700:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.380
I was speculating on that. I've never advised anybody to95800:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.280
do that. Typically, most people, and this is why there's95900:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.789
debate about consent about surface feeding especially, they recover so quickly.96000:50:50.869 --> 00:50:53.269
In some cases, for surface feeding, it's literally a matter96100:50:53.309 --> 00:50:57.329
of minutes. They recover. But there are people where if96200:50:57.349 --> 00:51:00.210
they're more vulnerable or immunocompromised or they've been fed on96300:51:00.250 --> 00:51:01.949
a lot or from somebody really strong, it can take96400:51:01.989 --> 00:51:04.690
hours or even days. For I would say, you know,96500:51:04.730 --> 00:51:09.550
those things would help rest. So actual sleep helps eating helps. Um,96600:51:09.610 --> 00:51:11.679
and it's not about grounding. People might start be thinking96700:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.199
about grounding. Grounding is not going to help you because96800:51:14.260 --> 00:51:16.400
grounding is getting rid of unwanted energy and you've been96900:51:16.420 --> 00:51:19.119
depleted of energy. So grounding is not going to help. Again,97000:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.519
it might help you center and focus, but it's not97100:51:21.539 --> 00:51:25.760
going to help you regain that energy. So sleep, eating,97200:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.099
feeding on somebody else. Those are honestly going to be97300:51:28.119 --> 00:51:28.739
the top three.97400:51:30.199 --> 00:51:33.179
Um, I mean, a little follow-up thing here, and part97500:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.639
of it is a story too. So like when I97600:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.659
tend to feel depleted in energy or I feel stressed97700:51:39.699 --> 00:51:41.329
or feel anxious, you know, one of the things that97800:51:41.349 --> 00:51:45.929
I tend to do is go to the forest. And97900:51:46.670 --> 00:51:48.610
it's really funny that you brought this up earlier because98000:51:48.650 --> 00:51:51.730
it never even dawned on me that there were energy98100:51:51.750 --> 00:51:53.650
chakras in our hands. But as I'm walking through the98200:51:53.710 --> 00:51:57.539
forest by myself, I hold my hands out. at my side,98300:51:57.739 --> 00:51:59.840
open to the trees. And I think of these tendrils98400:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.559
come in from the trees and I'm absorbing that energy98500:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.900
from the trees. And so, and by no means am98600:52:05.940 --> 00:52:08.300
I saying, oh, that's empiric, right? But it's like, it's98700:52:08.420 --> 00:52:13.420
interesting because that's how I tend to refresh myself after98800:52:13.460 --> 00:52:15.260
a long week. I go there on a Saturday or98900:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.949
a Sunday and I do that. And so with that said,99000:52:17.969 --> 00:52:22.190
here comes a question. You know, we talk about feeding99100:52:22.550 --> 00:52:25.449
off of people, energy off of people or off of,99200:52:25.969 --> 00:52:27.570
I mean, I'd imagine you could probably do that with animals,99300:52:28.349 --> 00:52:35.360
although I don't know. But is energy in that case universal?99400:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.199
Because there are people who believe that there is an99500:52:38.260 --> 00:52:41.579
energy source in all things on Earth or that the99600:52:41.659 --> 00:52:44.250
spirit lives within all things and therefore there's energy in99700:52:44.269 --> 00:52:46.389
those things. How does that work? Does it have to99800:52:46.429 --> 00:52:50.050
be strictly human in order to.99900:52:50.250 --> 00:52:52.780
Feed off that energy? Yeah, and that's a great question.100000:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.119
It's funny that you're talking about it and I'm grimacing100100:52:55.139 --> 00:52:57.159
because I'm like, oh my gosh, is he asking permission?100200:52:57.179 --> 00:53:01.139
Because I would never kick every tree without permission.100300:53:02.260 --> 00:53:03.079
So this is funny.100400:53:03.940 --> 00:53:05.920
But that gets into other stuff too as to why100500:53:05.940 --> 00:53:08.420
I won't. That's not a vampire thing necessarily, but it's100600:53:08.460 --> 00:53:13.219
definitely partly that. So there's vital energy and there's universal energy.100700:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.119
And certainly anything that we traditionally think of as living,100800:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.159
so plants and animals, have vital energy. But they have100900:53:22.130 --> 00:53:24.789
different and less and less kind of contained if you101000:53:24.829 --> 00:53:27.250
will than humans so the best way to put it101100:53:27.309 --> 00:53:28.670
and it makes it kind of like a little bit101200:53:28.710 --> 00:53:31.590
like very much like food and so i want to101300:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.719
be really really clear that like i'm just using this101400:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.599
as an analogy um even within humans there are people101500:53:37.659 --> 00:53:40.320
that are kind of like stakes in terms of their101600:53:40.340 --> 00:53:42.219
energy and there are people that are kind of like101700:53:42.260 --> 00:53:45.280
cotton candy it's like oh this is nice but it's101800:53:45.300 --> 00:53:49.429
not filling right right? Or potatoes, right? Potatoes versus, I101900:53:49.449 --> 00:53:53.039
don't know, carrots. Potatoes are going to be more filling102000:53:53.079 --> 00:53:56.280
than carrots are, right? Both of your vegetables are tasty,102100:53:56.340 --> 00:53:59.460
but one is more filling than the other. So I've102200:53:59.500 --> 00:54:01.900
never found animals to be something that can sustain me.102300:54:03.599 --> 00:54:08.449
And with trees and plants, I shy away from that.102400:54:08.489 --> 00:54:10.250
I actually don't really know really any of them. There's102500:54:10.269 --> 00:54:12.630
some vampires that say that they feed elementally, I think102600:54:12.650 --> 00:54:14.929
they're probably taking from the trees and stuff like that.102700:54:15.409 --> 00:54:21.159
I've never aligned with that for a number of different reasons. Yeah,102800:54:21.219 --> 00:54:25.880
so in theory possible, I don't know anybody who consistently102900:54:25.940 --> 00:54:30.239
sustains himself that way. Yeah. No good? Yeah, yeah. So103000:54:30.260 --> 00:54:32.219
what I would say is that it's not sustainable. There's103100:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.900
just not enough there, realistically speaking. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.103200:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.619
Well, we are getting a little bit close to the end.103300:54:40.420 --> 00:54:42.900
So I did want to ask you... If there's one103400:54:42.960 --> 00:54:47.900
thing that people take from this conversation or from the book,103500:54:48.579 --> 00:54:50.760
what's one thing that you hope they take from that?103600:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.010
So, I mean, we talked about some of the more103700:54:53.050 --> 00:54:55.090
weird stuff. What I would just say is that, you know,103800:54:55.110 --> 00:54:58.710
vampirism can be a practice. It's also a state of being.103900:54:59.210 --> 00:55:01.530
And that, you know, often we think of the whole104000:55:01.570 --> 00:55:03.710
feeding thing, as we said, or the really weird stuff.104100:55:03.730 --> 00:55:06.929
But the reality is vampires are catalysts for change. You know,104200:55:06.989 --> 00:55:09.309
we help produce change just by virtue of being where104300:55:09.329 --> 00:55:13.139
we are and walking around. And so, if you learn vampirism,104400:55:13.179 --> 00:55:14.400
even if you don't want to be a vampire, even104500:55:14.420 --> 00:55:16.179
if you want to be vampiric, you can help exchange104600:55:16.219 --> 00:55:18.940
energy with people to help awaken them. You can do104700:55:19.019 --> 00:55:22.019
healings on people. We're actually really good healers. You can104800:55:22.059 --> 00:55:24.179
take trauma from them. So you can feed on the trauma.104900:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.619
You can feed on blockages. So there's a lot of105000:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.280
really positive healing ways. And yes, we can be spooky105100:55:31.320 --> 00:55:33.519
and gothy and all these other things. And if you105200:55:33.539 --> 00:55:37.659
want that, there's certainly that too. But yeah, there's a105300:55:37.699 --> 00:55:41.989
lot of, healing transformative moments that can happen with vampirism105400:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.420
that I think is really underplayed that my book talks about.105500:55:44.460 --> 00:55:47.800
And I actually, I wish I'd talked about more quite honestly. Um,105600:55:47.880 --> 00:55:50.960
but I do talk about it. Oh, you talked about it.105700:55:50.960 --> 00:55:51.280
Yeah.105800:55:52.400 --> 00:55:53.940
That's what I would say. I would say is that105900:55:54.179 --> 00:55:57.400
vampirism is not just about taking or exchanging energy. It's, uh,106000:55:57.619 --> 00:55:59.320
it's about what we can do in the world in106100:55:59.340 --> 00:56:02.429
terms of transformation and in terms of healing. Okay.106200:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.090
Well then that brings us to our final question of106300:56:06.110 --> 00:56:10.420
the night. And, That is pretty simple, I think. Where106400:56:10.480 --> 00:56:15.360
can everyone find you and your work? Yeah, so Living106500:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.880
Vampires is available through Llewellyn. I think it's on Amazon106600:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.389
and Barnes & Noble. I own multiple shops in the106700:56:23.409 --> 00:56:25.769
first quarter of New Orleans called Sassy Magic. So we106800:56:25.789 --> 00:56:27.789
carry them at Sassy Magic as well, of course. You106900:56:27.809 --> 00:56:30.269
can find me at two of our three shops in107000:56:30.329 --> 00:56:30.949
any given week.107100:56:31.550 --> 00:56:32.789
Uh, I worked out of two of them.107200:56:33.469 --> 00:56:36.130
Uh, uh, it's, uh, in terms of me, you.107300:56:36.050 --> 00:56:38.860
Can find me at Sean wild author. So S E107400:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.380
A N W I L D E author on Instagram.107500:56:43.059 --> 00:56:45.980
I'm also on Facebook. Uh, I'm apparently famous enough now107600:56:46.019 --> 00:56:48.199
that there are fake profiles of me. So just make107700:56:48.219 --> 00:56:52.909
sure you're getting the right one. Congratulations. I don't know.107800:56:52.949 --> 00:56:58.010
You know, um, Yes, you get the right one. And107900:56:58.030 --> 00:57:01.090
then I also made a website. I have to double108000:57:01.110 --> 00:57:03.250
check to make sure everything's working for this book. It's108100:57:03.269 --> 00:57:06.590
called Living Vampire Singular because the other one was taken.108200:57:06.610 --> 00:57:10.239
It's livingvampire.com. And you can find me on there as well.108300:57:10.260 --> 00:57:13.679
So I'm on TikTok and all the things. But Instagram108400:57:13.719 --> 00:57:17.099
and Facebook are the best ways to kind of reach me. Livingvampire.com108500:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.300
if you want to see some of the stuff that108600:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.599
I offer. And the book, like I said, is pretty108700:57:20.619 --> 00:57:25.699
much available in all the major areas. All right.108800:57:25.860 --> 00:57:28.340
Well, thank you so much, Sean, for joining us tonight.108900:57:28.380 --> 00:57:33.440
It's been a pleasure talking with you. Actually, I do109000:57:33.460 --> 00:57:34.960
have one more quick thing. Do you have any other109100:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.239
things in the works that you're planning on releasing?109200:57:37.699 --> 00:57:41.260
Yeah. So Magic Without Tools, I'm under contract with Llewellyn109300:57:41.320 --> 00:57:43.699
to do a revised edition of that. I got to109400:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.210
hand that in for December 1st. So that's coming. I'm109500:57:47.289 --> 00:57:49.769
also under contract with Llewellyn. It's in the Vampire book now,109600:57:49.809 --> 00:57:51.750
so I can talk about it for a book on109700:57:51.789 --> 00:57:56.050
spiritual warfare. So talking about actual fighting in terms of energetics.109800:57:56.530 --> 00:57:59.869
And then on the opposite side, home protection. So I've109900:57:59.889 --> 00:58:02.130
got a home protection book coming out with Llewellyn. So110000:58:02.210 --> 00:58:04.309
those are all the ones that I can officially talk about.110100:58:04.349 --> 00:58:06.130
There are other things in the works, but those are110200:58:06.150 --> 00:58:09.170
the signed contracts right now. All right. Awesome.110300:58:09.210 --> 00:58:11.659
We're looking forward to those. Well, thank you again, Sean,110400:58:11.699 --> 00:58:13.760
for joining us. We'll go ahead and let you go110500:58:13.820 --> 00:58:15.199
here tonight, but we'll talk to you again soon.110600:58:15.519 --> 00:58:17.460
Thank you so much for having me, guys. All right.110700:58:17.480 --> 00:58:19.860
Bye-bye. Until next week, where you'll find us, same time,110800:58:20.099 --> 00:58:21.300
same channel. My name is Eric.110900:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.480
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