Bruja Curandera: Reclaiming The Magia of Mexican Ancestral Wisdom w/Wendy Mata

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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we're going to be talking

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to Wendy Mata about her book Bruja Curandaria, spells, rituals,

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and ancestor work from a Mexican healer and witch.

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Welcome to Paratruth.

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How's it going, Paratroothers? Welcome to another episode of Paratrooth Reborn.

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My name is Justin.

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And I'm Eric.

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And tonight, we're exploring traditions that have been passed through

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families and communities for generations. Our guest comes from a

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lineage of curanderismo, if I pronounced that correctly, and brujeria,

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and has spent years studying healing, energy, consciousness, and spiritual

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practice from around the world. Wendy, welcome to Paratruth Reborn.

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Hello, hello. Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely. So for someone who's encountering the term for the

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first time, what does brujeria curanderia mean to you?

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Well, bruja is the translation, not really direct, but kind

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of direct translation of witch. So this is the way

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that you call the witchy woman in Mesoamerica. I specifically

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speak for what I know about the Mexican culture. Although

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I am not the supreme, I always say I am

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not the supreme authority in brujería or curandrismo because there's

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many ways and many truths out there. But a bruja,

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it's a witch. It's a witch, but it's a witch

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that is a a practitioner of full magic. So we

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work with what we have. It's a little, it's way

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less ritualistic than witchcraft, I would say, because brujería is

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a practice that it's created to fight the oppressor, to

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keep our people safe and abundant and, you know, really

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to keep us going. So it's practiced, it's a sub-practice

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that is not so practiced on the outside, but in reality,

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a lot of Mexican families practice brujería. And curanderismo, that

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is our healing tradition. So this is more associated with

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the native practices of Mexico, working with plants, working with spirit,

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working with the elements. Some curanderas are also Catholic, or

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a lot of them are Catholic. I'm not, but a

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lot of them are Catholic and also work with saints

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and incorporate Christian practices into their healing. And curanderismo, what

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it is, it's rebalancing healing the energy of the body

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so that you can return to your state of wholeness.

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So it works with the principle that when we come

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to the planet, we come in a state of perfection

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in a way, like we are a reflection of source

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or God, goddess, whatever you call it. And then through life,

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we disconnect from that alignment. So the practices of curanderismo

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help people return into that balance. Okay.

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Okay.

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Well, now, with curanderismo and brujería, you grew up with this.

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You were surrounded with this your entire life. So what

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was your earliest memories of realizing that these traditions were

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actually a part of your family and your life?

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It actually wasn't until I was around 11 years old

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that it really kicked in in my brain that the

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rest of the people around me were not brujas or curanderas.

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This was a practice that was so common to observe

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directly or indirectly. So I thought that everybody was the same.

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And it wasn't until I think I was like in

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the maybe the fourth or fifth grade. And I had

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a conversation with somebody that started looking at me really weird,

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asking me, what was I talking about? And realizing, oh,

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the rest of the world doesn't think like this or

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practice like this. So it's the opposite of a lot

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of people. A lot of people coming to their dones,

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that's how we call them in Mexico, like the gifts,

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the spiritual gifts, later in life. But for me, it

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was different because I didn't know any other way, which

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is awesome, but it's also very complicated.

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Hmm.

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So something that a lot of people know of is Santeria.

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What is the difference between those two practices compared to Santeria?

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I don't know because I don't practice Santeria, so I

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don't really have the ability to speak of it.

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Okay.

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Well, so now how much, I.

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Guess like how much of becoming a Bruja is something

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that is simply taught? Throughout your life versus something that

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just kind of comes through an experience, intuition, and then

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just the lineage. Like, is this something that like your

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entire family follows? Or is it just like something you

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choose as you get older, like any other belief system

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or practice?

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So I grew up seeing some members of my family

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mostly doing healing or curandarismo. And then some members of

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my family doing magia, which is brujería. But I did

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learn from my dad and from my aunt and from

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some members of my family. But I believe that it's

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really important that we are always studying. So I did

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learn from my family certain aspects of my tradition. But

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also in my travels in the world, I always travel

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to study. Well, travel to have fun too, because why not?

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But I have had the opportunity to spend time with

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a lot of spiritual teachers around the world. to learn

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their ways, and to, I think most importantly, to know

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why what we do in curanderismo and brujería works. Because

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even that we are from Mexico and we have our

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practices of Mexico, what I learned in my travels is

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that the practices are really similar of some of the

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things that happen in India or some of the things

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that happen in Malaysia or some of the things that

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happen in Indonesia or some of the things that happen

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in Italy. So I learned that things are very connected

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and there's not a lot of separation between practices, even

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though they have different names. But also I have been

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dedicating my life, besides helping people, into learning why they work,

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which is based on how energy works. So the practices

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that we have are actually effective. My answers are very long.

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Do you guys want me to say less?

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No, no.

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I'll leave my answers. I have a lot to say,

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but you can tell me, Wendy. As Eric said before

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we got on, it's all about you.

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We want to hear your story.

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Long answers are totally fine.

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So most kids will always be defiant when it comes

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to any type of spiritual practice, right? Was there ever

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a moment in your life that you resisted your spiritual

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heritage or even questioned it?

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Oh, yes, a lot, a lot. And I don't think

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like the magical practices or the healing practices, but the

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many times that I had to go to church, that's

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when it was an issue.

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And not necessarily because of Christian beliefs or this is

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nothing against Christianity, but it was more like I didn't

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agree with the ways of the church and I didn't

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agree with the ways that they treated women.

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And I didn't agree with a lot of things. So

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I was very rebel about it. I had to go

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to school regularly. with nuns. And at some point in

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my life, I don't know what I was thinking, but

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I tried to be a missionary. So I actually went

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to take classes to be a missionary. But I realized

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that it wasn't really what I thought it was truth.

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I thought that I was following that path because it

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was very ingrained in my culture and in my family.

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There's a lot of Catholics in my family. But that

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it didn't resonate with my own truth. So yeah, a

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lot of rebellion, but not necessarily for the magic part,

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but the Catholic part.

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Do you find though, because of that rebellion that you

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kind of have maybe somewhat of a strenuous relationship with

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those that are Catholic within your family or do they

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not really think much of it or even care?

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No, I think we have a lot of respect for

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each other. Like I respect their belief system. They respect

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my belief system. It's almost like a non-spoken agreement that

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as long as we don't try to tell each other

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what to do with our beliefs. And it's the same

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with my friendships. Like I have a lot of friends

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that are either Christian or Catholic or many different religion,

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Muslim Jews. Um, and we respect each other as long

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as we're not trying to impose what's right or what

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is wrong.

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I think that's one of, uh, our favorite things about

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the community that we're in, uh, with this podcast. Uh,

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you know, we, we've met so many individuals from so

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many different, you know, faiths and practices and just belief systems. Um,

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And yet all the ones that are our friends, they're

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the ones who like, we stand very opposite sides of

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the spectrum sometimes. And yet we can be friends and

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laugh and have a good time because we're not pushing

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each other, trying to convert. or whatever it is, you know?

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I mean, sharing an opinion based on what's, that's, it's cool,

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you know? But it's like, there's a difference between sharing

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your view on something based on your beliefs versus you

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need to believe this because this is the fact or

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this is true. It's like, well, what is truth? What

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is fact?

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Right.

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Well, yeah, I don't think anybody has ever pushed back

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on any of our opinions on anything. So, yeah, it's

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we've definitely got a good community of friends and acquaintances, both.

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You are included in that now and now that you're

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a part of the show.

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Well, we'll see how the rest of the show goes.

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You may regret it.

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So has your understanding of what it means to be

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a Bruja kind of changed as your life progressed?

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Yes, yes, yes, yes. I actually, I think like I

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did digress a little bit of my practices when I

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was in my 20s. I was very fascinated by other cultures.

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I was very fascinated by the way that people in

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other places in the world lived. So I started traveling

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since I was young, well, in my 20s. And I.

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Kind of tried to find my own truth and my

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own balance and my own peace on practices that were

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not the practices from my ancestors. But after my travels,

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I always realized that I always went back to curandrismo.

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I always went back to brujería. I always went back

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to the Mexican ways. So it's almost like I had

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to leave and explore and see to actually realize, oh yes,

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this is the thing that feels right for me.

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Yeah, for sure. You know, it's interesting, especially here in America,

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when people use the word witch quite a bit and

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it's becoming more common, especially with social media. There's a

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thing called witch talk where there's, you know, people on

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TikTok who are teaching people how to do witchcraft. Whether

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or not it's accurate, I'll leave that up to the

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person who's learning, right? But one thing that is pretty

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common is that people in the U.S., when they often

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hear the word witch, they immediately picture or associate to

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the European idea of witch and witchcraft or even the

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pop culture witchcraft. So how does Mexican witchcraft really different

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from those popular images? And is there a big difference?

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Uh, there's definitely a big difference. Um, I didn't know

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what witchcraft in the American way was until I moved

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to the U S. Um, I always saw it from

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the other perspective, the Mexican perspective, knowing that that was brujería.

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And I knew what witchcraft was in a way, but

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I didn't live it. I didn't see it. I didn't

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witness it until I moved here. Like I didn't know

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about the Sabbaths, which is like a very, uh, important

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practices for witches, right? Because in brujería and curanderismo, we

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only honor the solstices and the equinoxes. So it is

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very different, and also the symbology is different, and the

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names of things are different. But at the end, it's

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also very similar. I think one of the main differences

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is that in my practices, I work mostly with the

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elemental forces and the ancestors, and a lot of witchcraft

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is very deity-based. So people have their practices of honoring

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their deities and they are creating their relationship with their deities.

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And the way that I practice it, I create relationships

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with my ancestors. So I talk to that people all

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the time. And I create relationships with the elemental forces

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and I create relationships with the spirits of plants and witches,

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like traditional witches, right? That they have like the European connotation.

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They also create, relationships with plants and they also create

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relationships with the spirits but uh or practices are much

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more ancestral so if i got in trouble for whatever

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reason which happens um uh i will probably go and

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talk to my grandmother who passed away in 2013 uh

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or 2005 and then or my dad who passed away

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in 2013 or like i will go to my dead

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people first to ask them for help Um, and if

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I was only practicing like traditional witchcraft, I probably will

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go and find a deity to help instead of going to,

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to my dad.

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So Christianity and indigenous spiritual traditions, I mean, they've gone

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hand in hand in Mexico for quite some time. Um,

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How has that shaped modern-day brujeria and kundrismo? Or did

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it shape it even back in history?

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Yes, it did. It did. Actually, the word bruja was

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imposed in us with colonization. It's not a word that

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has been for a really long time in our traditions.

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This is more like all the non-compliant women were called brujas. Also,

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some healers were called brujas, some duolas were called brujas,

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some midwives were called brujas. So it was definitely shaped

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by Catholicism, by Christianity, by colonization. But also, interestingly, it became,

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it is a practice that still can be decolonized and

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eschewed in a way, but it also became rich because

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it brought many different layers into our tradition. Because we

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also learn some of the Spanish way. We also learn

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some of the African ways. We also learn some of

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the Jewish ways because there is so much immigration in Mexico,

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especially like hundreds of years ago with colonization. So I

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feel like our practices become, became expansive in a way,

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not that they weren't good or important before, but they were,

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they became expansive with all the additional layers. And then curanderismo,

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it also changed because of Christianity, but I also think

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that it also added important layers. When I was learning,

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for example, like when I will observe one of my

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aunts who did spiritual cleansings for people, the way that

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she will do it, it was always through prayer. So

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people will come and people will pray and people will

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People will pray with her and then she will have

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like several different resos, which is like prayers, that she

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will use with people to help them heal. And there

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was a lot of miracles. Like I got to witness

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a lot of miracles. I got to hear her talk

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about a lot of the miracles or my mom or

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my sister talk about what my aunt did. And it

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was all through prayer. And I think that's also very,

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very powerful.

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Yeah. I find it interesting.

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How.

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Things like prayer intention or incantation are very similar in ways.

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Especially when it comes to the ultimate belief of what

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it is you're putting out there, whether you're asking for

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help from, you know, a good deity, or if you're

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simply putting the energy out there in hopes to manifest something,

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the fact is that you have to believe in it

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and you have to have faith in that thing in

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order for it to work. And it's so intriguing to

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me that like, these three different concepts are so vastly

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different and yet tied to the same ribbon. And a

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lot of people just don't see that for whatever reason.

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And I'm sure a lot of it has to do

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with their own personal belief systems, you know, and there's

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a lot of push and shove, obviously, within these various

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belief systems. But nonetheless, it's like, we're always trying to

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tell people, like, there's these connections. And it's like, most

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people do realize that, you know, especially those like yourself

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that we talk to, but we're outside the show. people

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just don't understand. It's like, what do you mean? There's

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a connection. It's like, it's so similar. But it's funny,

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like how it transcends cultures, you know?

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And prayer is like a way to connect to source, right? God, God,

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whatever you want to call it.

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Doing a meditation is a way of connecting to source

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and doing, I don't know, a chanting or, or a

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mantra or a God though. It's also a way of

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connecting to source. So it's almost like, All types of

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different practices that exist are just simply a system that

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allows us to get a similar outcome.

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Right, right. So now, with your book, are there any

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misconceptions about Mexican spiritual traditions that you especially hope to

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correct for readers?

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I don't know. I'm thinking about it. I didn't write

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it with the intention to correct anything. I wrote it

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with the intention that it will empower people and that

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it will remind people of their own truth. So through

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the book, there are several different exercises and spells and

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mantras that their sole purpose is that people that reads

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it and that they're willing to, right, because we have

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to do the work, that are willing to, that it

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helps them trigger that reclamation of their own truth and

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their own light and their own magia and their own power.

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so I wasn't writing it trying to fight the ways

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that people may see your practices I was writing it

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with a purpose or intention to facilitate the healing of

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people so it was never oh I hope that this

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helps people think this that or the other also In

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my own personal views, I don't think that it's my

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job to determine what is right or wrong because I've

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been wrong a lot of times. And I don't really

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have a face to come and tell people, oh, what

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you're doing is wrong because I've been wrong.

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Right.

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Right.

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Well, and sometimes you could be doing it what you

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would call wrong because in your practice, but in that

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other person's practice, it's right for them because it's the

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intention they're putting into it, correct?

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Yes. Or we could be doing it in a way

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that we think we are completely right. And then five

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years later, we go back and see ourselves and we

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see what we were thinking or doing five years ago.

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And then we're like, oh, Jesus Christ.

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I can't tell you how many times, just last night, actually,

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I was laying in bed thinking about past things, just

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the past. And I was like, literally thinking to myself

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like you idiot.

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It's just like, man, I think that about you a lot.

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Oh, thank you. Thank you.

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Wendy, if you don't know me and Eric are also

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family on top of being co-hosts and friends. So speaking

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of relationships and ancestors, um, a lot of, uh, uh,

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cultures and even in, uh, ancestors is a huge part

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of your practice. And you see this a lot in

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indigenous cultures, too. What does maintaining a relationship with your

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ancestors mean in a practice like this?

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Well, there is two things. sides to that there is

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the ideal scenario and there is a practical scenario the

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ideal scenario usually has a form of veneration and conversation

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and collaboration and healing and we tend to do altars

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and we tend to do rituals for our ancestors that's

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the ideal scenario but i find often that in the

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in the in the needs of life and in the

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troubles of life and in the craziness of life, sometimes

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our practices are just like, can somebody please come and

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help me with this? Thank you. And they show up.

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It doesn't necessarily be like, oh, hold on, listen, let

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me wait until I light all my candles and I

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light my copal and I do all my prayers to

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you and then please come and help me.

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Like it really has both ways. But also it is

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just the practice of having a conversation and And I

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think the most important practice on my perspective, it's that

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we have to also ask our ancestors, what can we

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do for them? It is not just a one-way relationship.

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When we are creating a collaboration with our ancestors, we're

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also helping them heal. So at least in my own experience,

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sometimes my ancestors come to me and say, hey, I

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am ready to heal this. Help me. They have past

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and their souls are in a different space. And I

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can ask them how I can help them to heal

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or to transmute something. Or I can ask them if

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it's something that I have to heal and I have

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to transmute for them to heal. Because in our tradition,

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we believe that we are connected to seven generations. Well,

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we're connected to many generations, right? But the seven generations

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from the moment that we're born, seven generations back, we

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have a really strong connection to them. And anything that

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we do in our present lifetime is going to affect

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those seven generations. So to create a really strong practice

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with your ancestors, you have to be willing to heal

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yourself and release the wounds that you may be carrying

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and just simply become even more whole, release your mental programmings,

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be better. And that way you are also helping your ancestors.

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Sure. Okay.

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Well, now, so.

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The way that you have shared that, it almost comes

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off like you may be a medium to a sense.

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I'm just assuming by the way you talk about you

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have to ask the ancestors what they want and they

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actively respond and answer you. But for those, and assuming

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you're not a medium, for those who are maybe trying

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to distinguish what they believe is ancestral communication, how do

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they distinguish what is imagination, what is coincidence, or what

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is just intuition or actual insight into the spirit or

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the deity or the entity that they're talking to?

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That's a great question. So I think first of all,

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we have to believe in it a little bit because

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we are showing completely skeptical. It's hard because we create

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our own blockings. or blockages in our communication. It is

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also important to know, at least for what I have

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observed in my own experiences and the experiences of my students,

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it's that ancestral communication, it's for the most part, very subtle.

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So instead of expecting that the lights of your room

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are going to go on and off and the house

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is going to shake and the wind suddenly is going

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to look like a hurricane, it's usually much more subtle.

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Like sometimes, just a song that means something to one

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of your ancestors or reminding you of your ancestors plays

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in the radio. Or sometimes you sense their presence or

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sometimes you smell them. Like one of the ways that

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I always know when my ancestors are around is because

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I can smell them. Like, especially my grandmother has like

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this particular like scent. So it's about being open and

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allowing the communication to, And trusting it. Because one of

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the lies that we have believed in our human experience

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is that we are separated from the ones that came

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before us. But the reality is, is that we are

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the results of their decisions. We are the results of

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their lives. We are the result of their existence. And

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even if you think about it genetically, you carry the

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genetics of your ancestors. You carry the epigenetics of your ancestors.

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So you are not separated. So even if we try

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to be very mental about it, we can still go

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on a biological level and understand that we have that connection.

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And try not to be too much into your head

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because sometimes if we're here a lot, we miss the

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other part.

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I mean, being a psychic medium, I can speak to

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that as well. I'm always questioning if what I'm getting

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is actually... the message or is it me answering myself.

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Like my subconscious?

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And so that, that's one thing that, um, I have

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found fascinating is no matter what you label yourself as, uh,

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psychic medium, blue, uh, which, um, intuitive, we all have

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that like question of, is this really what's going on?

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And just like an evidential mediumship, like people does an

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evidential mediumship, I also like to ask for data poisoning

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to my ancestors.

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Okay.

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So that I know that it's them, that I know

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at this point I have a really strong relationship with

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many of them. But if I'm trying to create a

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different relationship with a different ancestor that I didn't work before,

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I ask for evidence. Yeah. I ask for data points

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that will show me that it's them and not a

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trickster spirit that is trying to have fun. Yeah.

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For real.

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Yeah.

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All right, folks, welcome back to Paratroop Reborn. Wendy, before

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we went to break, we were talking about how to

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know the difference in communicating with ancestors. But does connecting

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with ancestors always mean like it's somebody that you knew

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or know of that's in your family or can that

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relationship go much farther back?

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It goes farther back and he's not just or bad.

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blood ancestors. So we also have a connection to the

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ancestors of the land. We also have a connection to

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the ancestors of the culture or tradition. We also have

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a culture to our ancestors like mentors or teachers or

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adoptive parents or somebody that function like a parental figure

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we still we have a connection to them um and

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i saw now sorry adhd what else was the question

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i apologize about that it's 10 41 p.m oh you

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basically answered um oh yes yes and i remember now

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00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:27.190
i remember now sorry about that But yeah, so we

485
00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:32.259
have different types of ancestors, but also we, for our

486
00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:36.059
bloodline ancestors, we can work not just with the ones

487
00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:38.869
that we know. We can also work with the ones

488
00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:42.329
that we don't know. Can I share a little bit

489
00:30:42.369 --> 00:30:46.539
of a story about that? So actually, I went through

490
00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:50.079
a really strong spiritual attack last year. or something that

491
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.160
tried to be a spiritual attack last year. They don't

492
00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:55.440
happen often, but they usually get you when you're really tired,

493
00:30:55.819 --> 00:30:58.640
when you're grieving, when you're sick, when you're having sleep,

494
00:30:58.660 --> 00:30:59.460
all those things, right?

495
00:30:59.619 --> 00:31:01.730
When you're completely down, yeah.

496
00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:04.829
Right, right. That counts a bunch. So I was going

497
00:31:04.849 --> 00:31:10.349
through something, and this something was not something that I

498
00:31:10.369 --> 00:31:12.849
had experienced. It was not something that I had ever,

499
00:31:13.089 --> 00:31:16.059
ever experienced. It was a different type of energy. And

500
00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:20.539
I talked to my regulars, my grandmother, my dad, my uncle,

501
00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:24.900
like different people in my family for help. And all

502
00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:26.789
of them said, it's not for me. It's not for me.

503
00:31:26.849 --> 00:31:30.230
It's not for me. It's somebody else's. So I suddenly

504
00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:33.950
had somebody from my family that is about three or

505
00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:40.869
four generations removed that was a horrible human being. that

506
00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:44.829
was a colonizer and that hurt a lot of people

507
00:31:45.369 --> 00:31:47.769
that came to me and said, I have been talking,

508
00:31:47.789 --> 00:31:49.430
I have been trying to connect with you for a

509
00:31:49.470 --> 00:31:53.069
really long time and I would love the opportunity to

510
00:31:53.650 --> 00:31:56.410
help you and connect. And the only thing that I

511
00:31:56.430 --> 00:31:59.869
will ask for you will be a glass of whiskey,51200:32:00.049 --> 00:32:02.430



which was really random because I had to like find51300:32:02.470 --> 00:32:04.779



whiskey because I didn't have whiskey in my house. But anyways,51400:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.420



and I talked to this ancestor who I had no51500:32:08.460 --> 00:32:12.420



idea who he was. Later, like in the spot, I51600:32:12.460 --> 00:32:15.299



had to have that conversation and ask this ancestor for help. Later,51700:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.579



I got to confirm that this ancestor did existed, but51800:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.400



I didn't know at that point. I just asked a51900:32:20.420 --> 00:32:22.920



few questions and I figured out, okay, yeah, it's family.52000:32:22.940 --> 00:32:28.410



And this ancestor, unknown ancestor, went and took care of52100:32:28.450 --> 00:32:33.450



the thing. And within a couple of hours, the situation52200:32:33.470 --> 00:32:38.089



that was happening went back in calm and And these52300:32:38.509 --> 00:32:41.710



dude return and say, OK, I'm ready for my glass52400:32:41.750 --> 00:32:43.849



of whiskey. And then I pour the glass of whiskey52500:32:44.130 --> 00:32:48.009



and I left it on my on my table. So52600:32:48.150 --> 00:32:50.769



it doesn't have to be people that we know or52700:32:51.549 --> 00:32:55.730



people that we had a relationship with. Sometimes the savages52800:32:56.470 --> 00:33:01.460



that are in your family line love the blood. That52900:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.650



sounds really intense. But they really do. And that is53000:33:04.690 --> 00:33:07.769



something that you can collaborate with to help you. Or53100:33:08.990 --> 00:33:11.829



sometimes it's not a bad one. Sometimes there was somebody really,53200:33:11.869 --> 00:33:14.950



really wise in your family line. Sometimes there's somebody that53300:33:14.970 --> 00:33:18.359



was a very loving person in your family line. And53400:33:18.500 --> 00:33:21.819



they kind of like hang around until you finally call them.53500:33:22.259 --> 00:33:25.339



And they are usually really happy to support.53600:33:26.039 --> 00:33:26.480



Yeah. Okay.53700:33:27.619 --> 00:33:27.799



So.53800:33:28.839 --> 00:33:30.180



one thing I kind of want to delve into a53900:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.319



little bit here, if you're comfortable with it, um, is54000:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.819



the idea. I mean, you talked about spiritual attack you earlier,54100:33:35.859 --> 00:33:40.099



you mentioned trickster spirit, uh, which, which kind of exists54200:33:40.119 --> 00:33:49.119



throughout multiple cultures. Um, what is it like, or what54300:33:49.160 --> 00:33:55.160



is your experience within your practice with negative energies and54400:33:55.289 --> 00:33:59.220



the spiritual attacks? Like, You know, obviously in Christianity, there's like,54500:33:59.460 --> 00:34:03.220



they believe demonic attacks or there's these separate entities that54600:34:03.349 --> 00:34:06.289



oppose God and the righteous and so on and so forth.54700:34:07.289 --> 00:34:09.150



And you see something very similar in the Middle East.54800:34:10.010 --> 00:34:14.309



How does that work with your practice? Is that similar54900:34:14.550 --> 00:34:22.280



or is it kind of separated as like an energy or? Yeah,55000:34:22.480 --> 00:34:26.519



my question is done. All right. I thought maybe there55100:34:26.539 --> 00:34:28.039



was more and I was like, no, there's nothing.55200:34:28.059 --> 00:34:31.530



You tend to extend your questions with way more words55300:34:31.550 --> 00:34:34.130



than you need to.55400:34:35.269 --> 00:34:40.010



So, yes, we do believe that there are certain spirits55500:34:40.050 --> 00:34:44.380



that you can call demonic or you can call shells55600:34:44.619 --> 00:34:48.019



or you can call lower frequency spirits. It is a thing.55700:34:48.380 --> 00:34:53.880



It does exist. But my grandmother used to say, Cuidate55800:34:53.900 --> 00:34:58.030



de los vivos. which means be careful with the living ones.55900:34:59.489 --> 00:35:03.309



So usually for what I have experienced and I have56000:35:03.349 --> 00:35:08.010



seen in other people, number one, the spiritual attacks that56100:35:08.030 --> 00:35:11.360



we may be going through may be creations of our56200:35:11.400 --> 00:35:15.360



own consciousness. They may be creations of our own mental programmings.56300:35:15.860 --> 00:35:19.219



They may be creations or consequences of our own ways.56400:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.920



That's number one. It's a possibility. I always ask people,56500:35:22.250 --> 00:35:24.409



Do you actually create this or this is coming from56600:35:24.449 --> 00:35:27.630



somewhere else? Like, is this, like, sometimes we are the problem.56700:35:27.829 --> 00:35:31.170



It's like making a decision and then immediately regretting that decision.56800:35:31.190 --> 00:35:31.289



Right.56900:35:31.769 --> 00:35:33.889



Or thinking like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. But57000:35:33.969 --> 00:35:37.429



even though it didn't harm anything, you think about it57100:35:37.469 --> 00:35:39.010



too much and it starts to weigh on you.57200:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.460



Yeah. And that's one. Or our thought processes and then57300:35:42.500 --> 00:35:44.280



it can become a little egregore that is like doing57400:35:44.300 --> 00:35:48.059



some damage, right? Yeah. And then there's humans that in57500:35:48.079 --> 00:35:52.320



their humanity that may do silly things. into your energy,57600:35:52.460 --> 00:35:56.440



send negative energies, try to unbalance you, try to distract57700:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.920



you from your path or purpose. So all of it exists.57800:36:02.079 --> 00:36:11.269



What I consider really dangerous, it's actually narcissistic personalities, because57900:36:11.289 --> 00:36:16.159



I have experienced, number one, personally, and in secondhand observing58000:36:16.179 --> 00:36:19.539



narcissistic the damage that can happen to people when they're58100:36:19.579 --> 00:36:27.199



being manipulated by narcissistic personalities or sociopathic personalities. And that itself,58200:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.679



it's a way of spiritual attack. It is, it is,58300:36:29.739 --> 00:36:31.860



but it's not. We're talking about mental health. So like,58400:36:32.670 --> 00:36:34.969



I am not trying to bypass the fact that mental58500:36:34.989 --> 00:36:38.150



health is important. Not everything is magic. Go to the doctor,58600:36:38.269 --> 00:36:40.849



talk to a therapist, please get help if it's necessary.58700:36:41.530 --> 00:36:46.739



But also that manipulation creates these cycles of energetic abuse58800:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.860



that it's what we call calcification. So they start becoming58900:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.119



heavier and heavier and heavier on your thinking system and59000:36:57.179 --> 00:37:01.449



your ways of seeing the world that you suddenly are59100:37:01.530 --> 00:37:04.269



not longer yourself and you have to do a lot59200:37:04.289 --> 00:37:08.699



of reparation. Uh, so that's a long answer again. Uh,59300:37:09.260 --> 00:37:11.880



But yes, it can be demonic presences. It can be spirits.59400:37:11.940 --> 00:37:15.300



It can be negative spirits. But cuida de los vivos.59500:37:15.739 --> 00:37:20.409



Pay attention to who may be trying to shape your59600:37:20.449 --> 00:37:23.750



reality to fit their playbook.59700:37:25.269 --> 00:37:25.610



Okay.59800:37:27.750 --> 00:37:28.289



So something.59900:37:28.989 --> 00:37:32.309



You mentioned in the book, and I've heard a lot60000:37:32.329 --> 00:37:35.929



of people talk about this, even in psychic mediumship, is60100:37:36.010 --> 00:37:41.099



reclaiming your power, reclaiming your energy, cutting those ties. What60200:37:41.139 --> 00:37:44.800



do you think causes us to lose that sense of60300:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.280



personal power in the first place?60400:37:50.219 --> 00:37:53.679



It starts as we're children. And all the no's that60500:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.610



come from our parents and from our culture and from60600:37:56.670 --> 00:38:00.190



religion are All the times that we are being told60700:38:00.369 --> 00:38:04.969



that we are expected to fit in certain boxes, whatever60800:38:05.030 --> 00:38:08.349



the box look like, because it's different for different cultures60900:38:08.409 --> 00:38:11.550



and people. Every time that you have to deny your61000:38:11.610 --> 00:38:14.510



own truths, every time that you have to shut down61100:38:14.550 --> 00:38:19.039



your voice, every time that you have to pretend that61200:38:19.219 --> 00:38:23.099



you are small to make people comfortable, not to take61300:38:23.139 --> 00:38:27.239



space so that others don't become uncomfortable. That's what begins61400:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.960



the process. And then obviously through life, right? Like there's61500:38:29.980 --> 00:38:31.659



a lot of different experiences that we can go through.61600:38:31.699 --> 00:38:34.639



But I think it starts at the beginning. And if61700:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.480



we go even deeper, it starts with our ancestors because61800:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.280



they went through trauma. They went through wounds. They went61900:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.949



through spiritual experiences or professional, not professional, mental experiences, emotional62000:38:46.989 --> 00:38:50.389



experiences that they may not have healed yet. And then62100:38:50.409 --> 00:38:56.679



they pass all that funk into us. Yeah.62200:38:56.739 --> 00:39:04.150



I mean, we've talked about ancestral trauma and even ancestral62300:39:04.190 --> 00:39:08.150



curses and stuff like that, too. And that can happen, too. Yeah.62400:39:08.349 --> 00:39:12.730



So I'm glad you bring that up because it does62500:39:12.750 --> 00:39:16.019



go well beyond before we're born.62600:39:16.039 --> 00:39:17.400



But yeah.62700:39:19.090 --> 00:39:21.619



Yeah, we don't realize how much trauma we go through62800:39:21.900 --> 00:39:25.699



as kids and even young adulthood before we get to62900:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.610



our ages now. And we're like, why the heck did we?63000:39:30.010 --> 00:39:33.800



let that happen like Eric mentioned you idiot like why63100:39:33.880 --> 00:39:35.820



did you do that or why did you let that63200:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.420



happen and we tend to blame ourselves too which causes63300:39:39.500 --> 00:39:40.619



even more trauma.63400:39:41.699 --> 00:39:44.679



And also like a lot of people that are magical63500:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.440



people whatever you want to call them whatever the practice63600:39:46.500 --> 00:39:49.320



is right whatever the name the label doesn't matter sometimes63700:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.090



A lot of the people that are magical people are empaths.63800:39:54.869 --> 00:39:58.369



We feel the pain and the emotion and the sensations63900:39:58.429 --> 00:40:02.309



of other people. And sometimes there is an imprint between64000:40:02.349 --> 00:40:08.550



other people's energies and our energies. Or sometimes we empathize64100:40:08.590 --> 00:40:14.679



so much that we absorb unconsciously some of that. Or64200:40:15.460 --> 00:40:17.679



right now, like look at the collective, right? We are64300:40:17.739 --> 00:40:21.710



living in a time that is space insert in these64400:40:21.769 --> 00:40:25.900



parentheses whatever you want to call it uh interesting and64500:40:26.099 --> 00:40:30.960



we are witnessing a lot of things that are not64600:40:31.019 --> 00:40:34.159



balanced so that also causes a lot of.64700:40:34.340 --> 00:40:37.969



Trauma yeah you know and i think also when it64800:40:37.989 --> 00:40:41.989



comes to trauma um i mean obviously there's sometimes that64900:40:42.070 --> 00:40:44.570



aha moment you know in life where it's like something65000:40:44.630 --> 00:40:47.780



happens and you realize like This is where, this is65100:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.030



how it began. This is where all of these little65200:40:50.070 --> 00:40:54.050



issues happened. But on top of that, you know, I65300:40:54.090 --> 00:40:56.849



think it really depends on personality as well or who65400:40:56.909 --> 00:40:59.269



you are as an individual. Like I am the type,65500:40:59.550 --> 00:41:02.710



for example, well, first quick little story. Last night I'm65600:41:02.750 --> 00:41:05.610



laying in bed and, you know, just trying to fall asleep.65700:41:05.869 --> 00:41:08.610



But I got hit with this sudden wave of sadness65800:41:08.909 --> 00:41:11.159



and I was just thinking about all these past events65900:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.579



and they were just, you know, they were troubling or heavy.66000:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.500



And I'm like, why am I thinking about this now?66100:41:15.949 --> 00:41:18.250



Why is it coming up? Right. But I'm also the66200:41:18.289 --> 00:41:21.550



type of person, despite being an empath, who tends to66300:41:21.730 --> 00:41:24.079



shove emotions to the side. I tend to push it66400:41:24.099 --> 00:41:28.059



all down, bury it and just continue to live my life. And,66500:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.019



you know, you don't realize until it's too late that66600:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.280



that stuff builds up and eventually you can't hold it66700:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.630



whether you want to or not. And it starts seeping out.66800:41:37.210 --> 00:41:39.150



And then you're wondering, why am I depressed? Why am66900:41:39.190 --> 00:41:41.369



I angry? Why am I this or that? It's like, oh,67000:41:41.389 --> 00:41:44.469



it's because you suppressed it. all this, you know, these67100:41:44.510 --> 00:41:48.949



past several weeks, you know, we, as individuals, regardless of67200:41:48.989 --> 00:41:53.389



belief systems, uh, as humans, you know, you, you, we, we,67300:41:53.409 --> 00:41:56.929



we need to release emotion. We need to feel those things,67400:41:57.190 --> 00:41:59.070



even if it's in private, you know, it's not like67500:41:59.090 --> 00:42:02.409



you have to go talk to somebody necessarily. Um, but67600:42:02.449 --> 00:42:04.800



you know, if something, you know, something makes you angry,67700:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.250



feel that anger, you know, go take it out on a,67800:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.460



a punching bag or, or, you know, go listen to67900:42:11.500 --> 00:42:15.460



some rage music or something, you know, Um, and so,68000:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.880



you know, I think there's effective ways to fight trauma,68100:42:19.480 --> 00:42:21.980



but the simple fact is it's, it's very difficult for68200:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.559



a lot of people because we're, we live in a68300:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.199



world where people expect you to push that stuff down68400:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.280



and not show those emotions. Um, you know, they don't68500:42:31.300 --> 00:42:32.980



want to see it. It's like a hard, it's a68600:42:33.019 --> 00:42:35.590



hard world. You know, it's like you got to toughen68700:42:35.659 --> 00:42:37.789



up in order to live in it. And so most68800:42:37.829 --> 00:42:40.630



people walk around with their head held high, burying it68900:42:40.730 --> 00:42:45.159



all like myself. Uh, until it pours out and then you're,69000:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.380



you know, what do I do? Where do I go?69100:42:47.860 --> 00:42:48.480



What is happening?69200:42:49.820 --> 00:42:51.480



Can I throw a reframe into that one?69300:42:51.559 --> 00:42:52.000



Absolutely.69400:42:54.099 --> 00:43:00.750



All that you're saying is true, but I invite you69500:43:00.949 --> 00:43:03.829



or anybody else that is listening to this, that feels69600:43:03.989 --> 00:43:07.570



right for you and your soul to give yourself permission69700:43:07.670 --> 00:43:11.130



to feel your emotions or whatever it is that you're carrying.69800:43:12.260 --> 00:43:16.130



For yourself, for your ancestors, but also for all the69900:43:16.150 --> 00:43:20.289



people that you love. Because the moment that someone gives70000:43:20.329 --> 00:43:25.409



themselves permission to be authentic and feel their emotions, that70100:43:25.469 --> 00:43:29.469



moment is a magical moment where everybody around you feels70200:43:29.550 --> 00:43:34.329



like they also have permission to feel. So it goes70300:43:34.389 --> 00:43:37.670



beyond just our own feelings and our own sensations. Everybody70400:43:37.750 --> 00:43:41.030



else starts observing, oh, that person is actually living the70500:43:41.070 --> 00:43:44.380



human experience in a way that it's much more human.70600:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.739



That means that I no longer have to shovel my70700:43:47.780 --> 00:43:50.579



emotions because this person is also doing it.70800:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.429



Yeah.70900:43:53.429 --> 00:43:53.989



If that helps.71000:43:54.429 --> 00:43:54.670



Yeah.71100:43:54.909 --> 00:43:55.610



Or anybody else.71200:43:56.409 --> 00:43:56.710



Absolutely.71300:43:56.730 --> 00:43:56.929



Absolutely.71400:43:58.659 --> 00:44:01.510



So you mentioned a little bit ago about, you know,71500:44:01.530 --> 00:44:05.829



that there's a difference between spiritual healing and mental health71600:44:07.230 --> 00:44:12.489



or medical differences. Is there a line between spiritual healing71700:44:13.130 --> 00:44:15.309



and those other kinds of healing that you need to do?71800:44:16.309 --> 00:44:20.179



Can you even define a line where you definitely should71900:44:20.219 --> 00:44:24.500



be reaching out to medical or mental health compared to72000:44:24.579 --> 00:44:25.199



spiritual healing?72100:44:27.780 --> 00:44:31.440



I believe that everybody should have a therapist, regardless of72200:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.949



where you are at in life. If things are going72300:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.849



really well, so that you can have somebody neutral to72400:44:36.909 --> 00:44:39.349



go and tell all the things to help you celebrate.72500:44:40.489 --> 00:44:44.349



And if things are going hard or difficult, then so72600:44:44.369 --> 00:44:47.409



that you can have somebody to have a conversation that72700:44:47.469 --> 00:44:50.360



is neutral, that can guide you. And that you can72800:44:50.389 --> 00:44:53.860



have a container for those conversations. I have an appointment72900:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.219



with my therapist every Thursday at 10 a.m. And I73000:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.539



have it. I mean, unless I'm like sick or traveling73100:45:00.619 --> 00:45:03.340



or whatever, but I show up even if I don't73200:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.400



feel like I need it because it's always good to73300:45:07.460 --> 00:45:11.599



have those spaces. When it comes to spirituality and spiritual73400:45:11.639 --> 00:45:17.380



support and spiritual mentorship and guidance, I think also everybody73500:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.360



should have a conversation with some sort of spiritual guide73600:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.860



or some sort of spiritual mentor. And it can be73700:45:22.900 --> 00:45:24.860



a curandero or a witch or a coach or a73800:45:24.920 --> 00:45:29.050



priest of your religious life. or a, I don't know73900:45:29.250 --> 00:45:33.019



how you call the members of congregations, but like, you know,74000:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.320



like other people in other religions. I think that is74100:45:35.360 --> 00:45:40.280



also important because as humans, we are the mental aspect,74200:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.510



we are the physical aspect, we are the emotional aspect,74300:45:43.610 --> 00:45:47.130



and we are the spiritual aspect. So it's unfair to74400:45:47.190 --> 00:45:51.429



expect that a doctor covers all aspects of your life,74500:45:51.750 --> 00:45:55.050



that a witch covers all aspects of your life, that74600:45:55.070 --> 00:45:57.730



a healer covers all aspects of your life. So it's74700:45:57.769 --> 00:46:01.519



more like everybody should have a support system and that74800:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.500



support system should be, should have a variety of help.74900:46:08.780 --> 00:46:10.719



But I do have, I do have a list of75000:46:10.780 --> 00:46:14.179



like red flags that I consider. Like if somebody brings75100:46:14.199 --> 00:46:19.670



certain things to a conversation, I, For example, like if75200:46:19.710 --> 00:46:23.849



I see a sense of grandiosity or if I see75300:46:27.170 --> 00:46:30.150



that somebody's taking it a little to the extreme or75400:46:30.230 --> 00:46:34.210



that they're not eating, they're not sleeping, they are, what's75500:46:34.250 --> 00:46:35.929



the word? There's a word for this, but I don't75600:46:36.050 --> 00:46:40.690



remember right now. That they are not themselves, that whatever75700:46:40.750 --> 00:46:45.590



spiritual process, practices they're going through or spiritual visions they're75800:46:45.630 --> 00:46:48.349



going through, they are bigger than them. Like if they75900:46:48.369 --> 00:46:51.230



cannot control it, if they cannot shut it down, if76000:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.940



they cannot say, okay, no spirit right now, I don't76100:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.260



want to talk to you. I got to go play76200:46:55.280 --> 00:47:01.119



with my kids, right? That could be psychosis. And I mean,76300:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.119



I'm not a therapist, so I cannot diagnose that somebody's76400:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.860



having psychosis. I don't have the medical training for that.76500:47:06.900 --> 00:47:11.199



I'm actually an industrial mechanical engineer. I don't speak medical terms,76600:47:11.820 --> 00:47:13.949



but I can observe things like this. So I can76700:47:13.969 --> 00:47:17.389



tell people, maybe it will be good that you go76800:47:17.969 --> 00:47:21.250



and have these kind of conversations with a therapist or76900:47:21.289 --> 00:47:25.210



a psychiatrist. And also sometimes I just tell people, you77000:47:25.250 --> 00:47:27.519



know what? I am not the right person for you.77100:47:27.760 --> 00:47:29.280



I have had people that have reached out to me77200:47:30.530 --> 00:47:33.090



for help for different aspects. And I said, I am77300:47:33.130 --> 00:47:35.809



not the right person for you. Just go find somebody.77400:47:35.829 --> 00:47:39.559



And I think that we should have the responsibility, like us,77500:47:39.599 --> 00:47:43.239



which is healers, shamans, curanderos, we should have the responsibility77600:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.079



of understanding what's her place in the whole equation.77700:47:49.579 --> 00:47:52.400



Yeah, you know, I find it, like for myself personally,77800:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.260



there's a stint where, you know, because of my Christian beliefs,77900:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.989



there was a time where I felt so much guilt78000:48:02.110 --> 00:48:04.929



or just, you know, constantly felt like I was in78100:48:04.949 --> 00:48:08.909



the wrong because of what is quote unquote sin, you know?78200:48:08.929 --> 00:48:12.239



And it's like, it started weighing so heavily on myself78300:48:12.860 --> 00:48:15.880



that I realized, you know, this can't be all it78400:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.260



is like, this is my life where it's constant fear, constant,78500:48:19.300 --> 00:48:23.210



like feeling bad about myself, constant guilt. Like there's, you78600:48:23.250 --> 00:48:24.989



have to make a shift and you have to find78700:48:25.030 --> 00:48:26.869



out what that is. And like through therapy, I was78800:48:26.929 --> 00:48:29.340



able to figure that out and learn about that, but78900:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.599



also just through talking to other people, spiritual people who79000:48:32.780 --> 00:48:36.860



weren't of the Christian faith to shed some light. And79100:48:36.900 --> 00:48:40.420



it's like, I realized, you know, we have free will.79200:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.570



It's okay to live your life. So long as you're79300:48:43.590 --> 00:48:46.750



not harming other individuals, you know, it's okay to live79400:48:46.769 --> 00:48:49.510



your life and not worry so much because in the end,79500:48:50.699 --> 00:48:53.480



you know, what happens on the other side is completely79600:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.159



up to you. Ultimately, you know, it's the way you79700:48:57.179 --> 00:49:01.849



live your life and what you decide. But yeah, like,79800:49:02.369 --> 00:49:04.349



like I've just, and I've talked about therapy a lot79900:49:04.429 --> 00:49:09.110



on this, on the show and the amount of work80000:49:09.969 --> 00:49:12.210



that you think you can do for yourself by just80100:49:12.230 --> 00:49:16.590



simply doing shadow work. Not that it's not good. It80200:49:17.429 --> 00:49:23.000



just doesn't draw out the same experience. and learning that80300:49:23.039 --> 00:49:27.360



you get through therapy and through other people who maybe80400:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.119



have gone through similar things.80500:49:29.460 --> 00:49:31.920



Right, right. Somebody that is able to create a container80600:49:32.239 --> 00:49:33.760



so that we can go through whatever it is that80700:49:33.780 --> 00:49:38.489



we have to go through and then come back better. Right. Worse.80800:49:39.460 --> 00:49:43.650



Exactly. Um, oh, were you going to say that, Justin?80900:49:44.150 --> 00:49:44.570



No, go ahead.81000:49:44.809 --> 00:49:48.510



Oh, okay. So a little bit about the magic aspect81100:49:48.929 --> 00:49:52.349



of your practice here. First and foremost, what does the81200:49:52.429 --> 00:49:57.760



word magia mean to you beyond simply spells or rituals?81300:50:00.900 --> 00:50:05.570



The meaning of magia. So the translation will be magic, right? But, um,81400:50:06.219 --> 00:50:07.880



It depends on who you ask Magic, because if you81500:50:07.940 --> 00:50:09.980



ask a board gamer, they're going to say this set81600:50:10.019 --> 00:50:16.119



of cards. But for me, it is the ability to81700:50:17.179 --> 00:50:22.780



shape a reality with a power in collaboration, not using,81800:50:23.380 --> 00:50:26.440



in connection with a power that is greater than us.81900:50:27.469 --> 00:50:30.389



You can call it God, goddess, divine intelligence, supreme love.82000:50:30.489 --> 00:50:33.090



It has so many, Allah, I don't know, Buddha. A82100:50:33.150 --> 00:50:35.429



lot of people call it different things. But it is,82200:50:35.469 --> 00:50:38.780



you know, that essence between our humanity and our connection82300:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.659



to that greater power. And what happens between our humanity82400:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.320



and our connection to that greater power. And our inner82500:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.159



magia or inner magic is remembering that. Remembering the fact82600:50:50.219 --> 00:50:54.239



that we are also source power. remembering the fact that82700:50:54.260 --> 00:50:57.679



we are also divinity, remembering the fact that we are82800:50:57.889 --> 00:51:02.469



also sacred. One of the biggest lies that humanity has82900:51:02.530 --> 00:51:06.190



believed is that we are separated from God, goddess, but83000:51:06.230 --> 00:51:08.730



we are one. We are one with God, goddess. We83100:51:08.769 --> 00:51:11.300



are one with humanity. We are one with the elements.83200:51:11.820 --> 00:51:14.780



We are all one. What happens in our hearts affects83300:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.840



other people. What happens in other people's lives affects us.83400:51:19.119 --> 00:51:24.769



So magia is remembering that For me, it's a truth.83500:51:24.849 --> 00:51:27.969



Maybe people disagree with this, and that's okay. But that83600:51:28.030 --> 00:51:31.409



truth that we are one with source and that truth83700:51:31.550 --> 00:51:36.969



that in that connection, we can modify our circumstances so83800:51:37.030 --> 00:51:39.340



that we can live a life that is much more83900:51:39.480 --> 00:51:40.579



aligned to our purpose.84000:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.800



Okay. Before I let you go ask a question, Justin,84100:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.599



I got to just say that I appreciate you subtly84200:51:48.920 --> 00:51:53.869



correcting my pronunciation. No. of that word without embarrassing me.84300:51:57.590 --> 00:51:58.170



It's all good.84400:51:59.690 --> 00:52:02.489



Or he could be like me and purposefully embarrass him84500:52:02.510 --> 00:52:04.380



in front of everybody.84600:52:04.530 --> 00:52:08.300



He gets a kick out of that. I think it's84700:52:08.340 --> 00:52:10.699



really nice that people try to say the words in84800:52:10.739 --> 00:52:14.079



the way that they are. It will not be okay84900:52:14.099 --> 00:52:17.469



to expect that everybody pronounces Thanks. I used to live85000:52:17.489 --> 00:52:19.449



in Finland. Before I came to the U.S., I went85100:52:20.230 --> 00:52:21.989



from Mexico to Finland and then a bunch of other85200:52:22.010 --> 00:52:24.449



places in the U.S. And when I was living in Finland,85300:52:24.590 --> 00:52:28.530



I really appreciated that the Finnish culture never joke or85400:52:28.590 --> 00:52:31.889



make fun of my pronunciation. And believe me, it was wrong.85500:52:32.349 --> 00:52:35.699



Or maybe they did and I didn't understand, but I85600:52:35.739 --> 00:52:36.119



don't think.85700:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.179



That's why they stopped speaking English.85800:52:39.320 --> 00:52:40.280



Wait, what?85900:52:40.300 --> 00:52:43.659



No, and the worst part is like, because like some86000:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.449



of the, not just here, but in many of the86100:52:46.469 --> 00:52:48.269



interviews that we've done, you know, there are words that86200:52:48.429 --> 00:52:51.190



I can't, I like, I look at them like, oh, no,86300:52:51.210 --> 00:52:51.869



I'm not even going to try.86400:52:51.889 --> 00:52:53.329



So I'll get them done. I was going to be English.86500:52:53.610 --> 00:52:56.280



I can't, we're not such a profile. I just can't speak.86600:52:56.820 --> 00:53:02.380



But you know, it was like, even with, uh, with this,86700:53:02.420 --> 00:53:05.199



like I'll look at the pronunciation and I'll read the86800:53:05.219 --> 00:53:10.230



pronunciation and I still get it completely wrong. And it's like, what,86900:53:10.750 --> 00:53:12.860



why could you just like, I always look for the87000:53:12.889 --> 00:53:16.159



YouTube ones that actually pronounce it for me. You know,87100:53:17.280 --> 00:53:17.880



I get it now.87200:53:19.119 --> 00:53:19.480



Words.87300:53:21.059 --> 00:53:21.960



I don't like words.87400:53:24.179 --> 00:53:26.239



Well, Wendy, we are, we are getting kind of close87500:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.849



to the end. So I did want to ask you87600:53:28.869 --> 00:53:33.670



if there's one thing or maybe a couple of things87700:53:33.730 --> 00:53:37.389



that people learn from our conversation today or from the book,87800:53:37.949 --> 00:53:39.809



what would you want them to learn from all of this?87900:53:42.119 --> 00:53:46.380



How many hours do I have now? Yeah, about two minutes.88000:53:46.820 --> 00:53:47.440



Two minutes.88100:53:48.860 --> 00:53:51.590



Remember that you are one with spirit and one with humanity.88200:53:52.590 --> 00:53:55.369



That the more you focus on your consciousness and your88300:53:55.409 --> 00:53:58.929



growth and your healing, the more you can help the world.88400:53:59.530 --> 00:54:03.250



And that power exists in everybody. You do not need88500:54:03.289 --> 00:54:07.869



to have an intermediary to connect to source, god, goddess.88600:54:08.469 --> 00:54:11.090



There are people that can help, yes, but you do88700:54:11.150 --> 00:54:15.809



have the power. to have that connection you do have88800:54:15.849 --> 00:54:17.769



the power to talk to your spirits and talk to88900:54:17.789 --> 00:54:20.760



your ancestors and you are not alone because there is89000:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.500



not just hundreds but thousands of people that came before89100:54:23.539 --> 00:54:28.059



you that are lining up outside of your door waiting89200:54:28.099 --> 00:54:30.360



for you to call them to come and help you.89300:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.730



Okay awesome final question of the night where can everyone89400:54:35.769 --> 00:54:36.809



find you and your work.89500:54:38.369 --> 00:54:42.869



You can find me at bruja.us, so B-R-U-J-A dot U-S.89600:54:42.969 --> 00:54:44.489



I've been trying to get the dot com for a89700:54:44.510 --> 00:54:48.309



long time, but it hasn't happened. If anybody of you89800:54:48.469 --> 00:54:53.489



owns it, please contact me. Yes, and I just wrote89900:54:53.510 --> 00:54:57.579



a book. It's called Bruja Curandera, Spells, Rituals, and Ancestor Work.90000:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.739



I have to read it because it's a really long thing. Okay.90100:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.179



from a mexican healer and witch uh and the book90200:55:04.199 --> 00:55:08.400



has a website bruja curandera.com that just reroutes you to bruja.us90300:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.599



and you can see everything there uh right now the90400:55:12.719 --> 00:55:15.440



next project that i have is a summit for ancestral90500:55:15.500 --> 00:55:18.659



work that is called the ancestral magic experience that is90600:55:18.699 --> 00:55:21.010



happening november 2nd 3rd and 4th so if you go90700:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.630



to bruja.us there's going to be a little pop-up window90800:55:23.650 --> 00:55:25.570



uh that is going to ask you for your name90900:55:25.610 --> 00:55:28.610



and email and you get access for free and it's91000:55:28.829 --> 00:55:33.309



uh 18 different workshops plus four speaker panels where we91100:55:33.349 --> 00:55:38.130



talk about ancestral healing, releasing ancestral wounds, reclaiming our ancestral gifts,91200:55:38.690 --> 00:55:42.829



and generational curses. So if you guys want to learn91300:55:42.849 --> 00:55:46.449



more about Ancestry, that's a good place to be. Awesome.91400:55:47.090 --> 00:55:49.409



Well, Wendy, thank you for being on Paratroop Reborn.91500:55:50.170 --> 00:55:52.469



Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure. Thanks.91600:55:52.690 --> 00:55:52.829



Bye.91700:55:54.670 --> 00:55:58.280



All right, folks. Um, we hope that you enjoyed this conversation.91800:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.019



Make sure you check out Bruja Carandera. Um, especially if91900:56:02.059 --> 00:56:04.869



you're super interested in this, it's, this is one of92000:56:04.909 --> 00:56:08.909



those things that I've always had this interest in, um,92100:56:09.690 --> 00:56:13.010



So it was good to read through the book and92200:56:13.130 --> 00:56:16.099



also talk to Wendy about all of this. If you92300:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.940



want to hear the continued conversation, we've said it for92400:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.800



multiple weeks now. The best way to do that is92500:56:22.860 --> 00:56:27.010



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As well as a non-commercial version of the episode. Also93000:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.920



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can take part in polls. Talk to other people that93200:56:52.340 --> 00:56:55.949



are interested in this super weird thing that we call93300:56:55.969 --> 00:57:03.760



the paranormal. We are literally on... the doorstep of spooky season.93400:57:03.940 --> 00:57:07.679



So we've got some really cool conversations coming up for you.93500:57:09.769 --> 00:57:12.849



Anything I'm missing for housekeeping?93600:57:13.889 --> 00:57:14.110



Nope.93700:57:14.349 --> 00:57:18.489



I think it's all cleaned up. All right. All right, folks.93800:57:18.889 --> 00:57:21.349



Until next week where you will find us same time,93900:57:21.949 --> 00:57:23.489



same channel. My name is Justin.94000:57:23.809 --> 00:57:25.289



And I'm Eric. Peace.