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Bruja Curandera: Reclaiming The Magia of Mexican Ancestral Wisdom w/Wendy Mata

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Modern life can leave us disconnected—from our intuition, our ancestors, our communities, and even ourselves.

But for generations, Mexican brujas and curanderas have preserved traditions built around healing, spiritual resilience, the wisdom of the land, and relationships with those who came before us.

On this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik welcome Wendy Mata, founder of Bruja Power Botanica and author of Bruja Curandera.

Raised within a family tradition of brujería and curanderismo, Wendy shares how these practices shaped her understanding of magic, healing, ancestry, and personal power.
We’ll explore what it truly means to be a Bruja Curandera, the relationship between magic and healing, how ancestral practices survive across generations, the importance of respecting the cultures these traditions come from, and how Wendy believes people can reconnect with their own spiritual power.

If you’ve ever felt disconnected from your roots—or wondered whether the wisdom of our ancestors still has something to teach us—this conversation may give you a completely different way of looking at magic.

Guest Bio: Wendy Mata is the founder of Bruja Power Botanica and a Bruja Curandera by lineage.

She’s on a mission to help witches, healers, and magic-curious souls reclaim their power and live with purpose, magic, and abundance.

Initiated in Shamanism in Yucatán, trained in Curanderismo and Brujería through her family line, and certified as a Reiki Master and Advanced Pranic Healer, Wendy blends ancestral wisdom with global experience.

She’s a Feng Shui Master (Malaysia), a certified leadership coach (Canada), and a lifelong student of energy, consciousness, and co-creation.

Before fully stepping into her spiritual path, Wendy led global product launches in cybersecurity and digital forensics.

Now, she helps others weave systems, soul, and strategy to build powerful lives and businesses on their own terms.

Her work has guided tens of thousands back to their power, and she believes the collective shift begins when each of us remembers who we really are.


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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we're going to be talking

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to Wendy Mata about her book Bruja Curandaria, spells, rituals,

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and ancestor work from a Mexican healer and witch.

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Welcome to Paratruth.

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How's it going, Paratroothers? Welcome to another episode of Paratrooth Reborn.

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My name is Justin.

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And I'm Eric.

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And tonight, we're exploring traditions that have been passed through

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families and communities for generations. Our guest comes from a

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lineage of curanderismo, if I pronounced that correctly, and brujeria,

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and has spent years studying healing, energy, consciousness, and spiritual

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practice from around the world. Wendy, welcome to Paratruth Reborn.

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Hello, hello. Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely. So for someone who's encountering the term for the

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first time, what does brujeria curanderia mean to you?

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Well, bruja is the translation, not really direct, but kind

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of direct translation of witch. So this is the way

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that you call the witchy woman in Mesoamerica. I specifically

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speak for what I know about the Mexican culture. Although

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I am not the supreme, I always say I am

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not the supreme authority in brujería or curandrismo because there's

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many ways and many truths out there. But a bruja,

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it's a witch. It's a witch, but it's a witch

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that is a a practitioner of full magic. So we

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work with what we have. It's a little, it's way

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less ritualistic than witchcraft, I would say, because brujería is

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a practice that it's created to fight the oppressor, to

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keep our people safe and abundant and, you know, really

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to keep us going. So it's practiced, it's a sub-practice

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that is not so practiced on the outside, but in reality,

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a lot of Mexican families practice brujería. And curanderismo, that

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is our healing tradition. So this is more associated with

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the native practices of Mexico, working with plants, working with spirit,

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working with the elements. Some curanderas are also Catholic, or

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a lot of them are Catholic. I'm not, but a

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lot of them are Catholic and also work with saints

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and incorporate Christian practices into their healing. And curanderismo, what

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it is, it's rebalancing healing the energy of the body

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so that you can return to your state of wholeness.

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So it works with the principle that when we come

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to the planet, we come in a state of perfection

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in a way, like we are a reflection of source

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or God, goddess, whatever you call it. And then through life,

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we disconnect from that alignment. So the practices of curanderismo

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help people return into that balance. Okay.

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Okay.

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Well, now, with curanderismo and brujería, you grew up with this.

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You were surrounded with this your entire life. So what

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was your earliest memories of realizing that these traditions were

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actually a part of your family and your life?

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It actually wasn't until I was around 11 years old

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that it really kicked in in my brain that the

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rest of the people around me were not brujas or curanderas.

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This was a practice that was so common to observe

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directly or indirectly. So I thought that everybody was the same.

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And it wasn't until I think I was like in

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the maybe the fourth or fifth grade. And I had

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a conversation with somebody that started looking at me really weird,

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asking me, what was I talking about? And realizing, oh,

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the rest of the world doesn't think like this or

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practice like this. So it's the opposite of a lot

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of people. A lot of people coming to their dones,

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that's how we call them in Mexico, like the gifts,

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the spiritual gifts, later in life. But for me, it

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was different because I didn't know any other way, which

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is awesome, but it's also very complicated.

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Hmm.

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So something that a lot of people know of is Santeria.

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What is the difference between those two practices compared to Santeria?

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I don't know because I don't practice Santeria, so I

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don't really have the ability to speak of it.

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Okay.

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Well, so now how much, I.

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Guess like how much of becoming a Bruja is something

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that is simply taught? Throughout your life versus something that

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just kind of comes through an experience, intuition, and then

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just the lineage. Like, is this something that like your

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entire family follows? Or is it just like something you

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choose as you get older, like any other belief system

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or practice?

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So I grew up seeing some members of my family

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mostly doing healing or curandarismo. And then some members of

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my family doing magia, which is brujería. But I did

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learn from my dad and from my aunt and from

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some members of my family. But I believe that it's

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really important that we are always studying. So I did

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learn from my family certain aspects of my tradition. But

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also in my travels in the world, I always travel

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to study. Well, travel to have fun too, because why not?

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But I have had the opportunity to spend time with

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a lot of spiritual teachers around the world. to learn

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their ways, and to, I think most importantly, to know

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why what we do in curanderismo and brujería works. Because

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even that we are from Mexico and we have our

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practices of Mexico, what I learned in my travels is

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that the practices are really similar of some of the

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things that happen in India or some of the things

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that happen in Malaysia or some of the things that

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happen in Indonesia or some of the things that happen

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in Italy. So I learned that things are very connected

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and there's not a lot of separation between practices, even

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though they have different names. But also I have been

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dedicating my life, besides helping people, into learning why they work,

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which is based on how energy works. So the practices

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that we have are actually effective. My answers are very long.

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Do you guys want me to say less?

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No, no.

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I'll leave my answers. I have a lot to say,

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but you can tell me, Wendy. As Eric said before

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we got on, it's all about you.

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We want to hear your story.

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Long answers are totally fine.

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So most kids will always be defiant when it comes

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to any type of spiritual practice, right? Was there ever

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a moment in your life that you resisted your spiritual

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heritage or even questioned it?

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Oh, yes, a lot, a lot. And I don't think

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like the magical practices or the healing practices, but the

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many times that I had to go to church, that's

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when it was an issue.

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And not necessarily because of Christian beliefs or this is

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nothing against Christianity, but it was more like I didn't

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agree with the ways of the church and I didn't

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agree with the ways that they treated women.

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And I didn't agree with a lot of things. So

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I was very rebel about it. I had to go

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to school regularly. with nuns. And at some point in

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my life, I don't know what I was thinking, but

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I tried to be a missionary. So I actually went

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to take classes to be a missionary. But I realized

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that it wasn't really what I thought it was truth.

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I thought that I was following that path because it

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was very ingrained in my culture and in my family.

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There's a lot of Catholics in my family. But that

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it didn't resonate with my own truth. So yeah, a

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lot of rebellion, but not necessarily for the magic part,

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but the Catholic part.

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Yeah.

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Do you find though, because of that rebellion that you

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kind of have maybe somewhat of a strenuous relationship with

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those that are Catholic within your family or do they

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not really think much of it or even care?

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each other. Like I respect their belief system. They respect

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my belief system. It's almost like a non-spoken agreement that

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as long as we don't try to tell each other

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what to do with our beliefs. And it's the same

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with my friendships. Like I have a lot of friends

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that are either Christian or Catholic or many different religion,

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Muslim Jews. Um, and we respect each other as long

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as we're not trying to impose what's right or what

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is wrong.

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I think that's one of, uh, our favorite things about

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the community that we're in, uh, with this podcast. Uh,

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you know, we, we've met so many individuals from so

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many different, you know, faiths and practices and just belief systems. Um,

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And yet all the ones that are our friends, they're

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the ones who like, we stand very opposite sides of

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the spectrum sometimes. And yet we can be friends and

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laugh and have a good time because we're not pushing

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each other, trying to convert. or whatever it is, you know?

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I mean, sharing an opinion based on what's, that's, it's cool,

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you know? But it's like, there's a difference between sharing

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your view on something based on your beliefs versus you

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need to believe this because this is the fact or

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this is true. It's like, well, what is truth? What

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is fact?

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Right.

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Well, yeah, I don't think anybody has ever pushed back

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on any of our opinions on anything. So, yeah, it's

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we've definitely got a good community of friends and acquaintances, both.

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You are included in that now and now that you're

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a part of the show.

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Well, we'll see how the rest of the show goes.

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You may regret it.

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So has your understanding of what it means to be

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a Bruja kind of changed as your life progressed?

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Yes, yes, yes, yes. I actually, I think like I

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did digress a little bit of my practices when I

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was in my 20s. I was very fascinated by other cultures.

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I was very fascinated by the way that people in

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other places in the world lived. So I started traveling

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since I was young, well, in my 20s. And I.

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Kind of tried to find my own truth and my

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own balance and my own peace on practices that were

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not the practices from my ancestors. But after my travels,

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I always realized that I always went back to curandrismo.

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I always went back to brujería. I always went back

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to the Mexican ways. So it's almost like I had

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to leave and explore and see to actually realize, oh yes,

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this is the thing that feels right for me.

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Yeah, for sure. You know, it's interesting, especially here in America,

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when people use the word witch quite a bit and

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it's becoming more common, especially with social media. There's a

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thing called witch talk where there's, you know, people on

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TikTok who are teaching people how to do witchcraft. Whether

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or not it's accurate, I'll leave that up to the

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person who's learning, right? But one thing that is pretty

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common is that people in the U.S., when they often

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hear the word witch, they immediately picture or associate to

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the European idea of witch and witchcraft or even the

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pop culture witchcraft. So how does Mexican witchcraft really different

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from those popular images? And is there a big difference?

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Uh, there's definitely a big difference. Um, I didn't know

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what witchcraft in the American way was until I moved

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to the U S. Um, I always saw it from

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the other perspective, the Mexican perspective, knowing that that was brujería.

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And I knew what witchcraft was in a way, but

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I didn't live it. I didn't see it. I didn't

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witness it until I moved here. Like I didn't know

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about the Sabbaths, which is like a very, uh, important

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practices for witches, right? Because in brujería and curanderismo, we

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only honor the solstices and the equinoxes. So it is

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very different, and also the symbology is different, and the

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names of things are different. But at the end, it's

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also very similar. I think one of the main differences

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is that in my practices, I work mostly with the

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elemental forces and the ancestors, and a lot of witchcraft

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is very deity-based. So people have their practices of honoring

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their deities and they are creating their relationship with their deities.

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And the way that I practice it, I create relationships

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with my ancestors. So I talk to that people all

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the time. And I create relationships with the elemental forces

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and I create relationships with the spirits of plants and witches,

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like traditional witches, right? That they have like the European connotation.

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They also create, relationships with plants and they also create

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relationships with the spirits but uh or practices are much

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more ancestral so if i got in trouble for whatever

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reason which happens um uh i will probably go and

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talk to my grandmother who passed away in 2013 uh

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or 2005 and then or my dad who passed away

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in 2013 or like i will go to my dead

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people first to ask them for help Um, and if

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I was only practicing like traditional witchcraft, I probably will

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go and find a deity to help instead of going to,

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to my dad.

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So Christianity and indigenous spiritual traditions, I mean, they've gone

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hand in hand in Mexico for quite some time. Um,

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How has that shaped modern-day brujeria and kundrismo? Or did

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it shape it even back in history?

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Yes, it did. It did. Actually, the word bruja was

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imposed in us with colonization. It's not a word that

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has been for a really long time in our traditions.

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This is more like all the non-compliant women were called brujas. Also,

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some healers were called brujas, some duolas were called brujas,

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some midwives were called brujas. So it was definitely shaped

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by Catholicism, by Christianity, by colonization. But also, interestingly, it became,

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it is a practice that still can be decolonized and

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eschewed in a way, but it also became rich because

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it brought many different layers into our tradition. Because we

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also learn some of the Spanish way. We also learn

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some of the African ways. We also learn some of

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the Jewish ways because there is so much immigration in Mexico,

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especially like hundreds of years ago with colonization. So I

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feel like our practices become, became expansive in a way,

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not that they weren't good or important before, but they were,

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they became expansive with all the additional layers. And then curanderismo,

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it also changed because of Christianity, but I also think

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that it also added important layers. When I was learning,

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for example, like when I will observe one of my

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aunts who did spiritual cleansings for people, the way that

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she will do it, it was always through prayer. So

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people will come and people will pray and people will

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People will pray with her and then she will have

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like several different resos, which is like prayers, that she

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will use with people to help them heal. And there

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was a lot of miracles. Like I got to witness

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a lot of miracles. I got to hear her talk

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about a lot of the miracles or my mom or

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my sister talk about what my aunt did. And it

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was all through prayer. And I think that's also very,

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very powerful.

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Yeah. I find it interesting.

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How.

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Things like prayer intention or incantation are very similar in ways.

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Especially when it comes to the ultimate belief of what

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it is you're putting out there, whether you're asking for

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help from, you know, a good deity, or if you're

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simply putting the energy out there in hopes to manifest something,

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the fact is that you have to believe in it

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and you have to have faith in that thing in

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order for it to work. And it's so intriguing to

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me that like, these three different concepts are so vastly

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different and yet tied to the same ribbon. And a

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lot of people just don't see that for whatever reason.

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And I'm sure a lot of it has to do

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with their own personal belief systems, you know, and there's

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a lot of push and shove, obviously, within these various

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belief systems. But nonetheless, it's like, we're always trying to

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tell people, like, there's these connections. And it's like, most

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people do realize that, you know, especially those like yourself

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that we talk to, but we're outside the show. people

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just don't understand. It's like, what do you mean? There's

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a connection. It's like, it's so similar. But it's funny,

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like how it transcends cultures, you know?

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And prayer is like a way to connect to source, right? God, God,

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whatever you want to call it.

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Yeah.

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Doing a meditation is a way of connecting to source

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and doing, I don't know, a chanting or, or a

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mantra or a God though. It's also a way of

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connecting to source. So it's almost like, All types of

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different practices that exist are just simply a system that

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allows us to get a similar outcome.

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Right, right. So now, with your book, are there any

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misconceptions about Mexican spiritual traditions that you especially hope to

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correct for readers?

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I don't know. I'm thinking about it. I didn't write

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it with the intention to correct anything. I wrote it

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with the intention that it will empower people and that

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it will remind people of their own truth. So through

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the book, there are several different exercises and spells and

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mantras that their sole purpose is that people that reads

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it and that they're willing to, right, because we have

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to do the work, that are willing to, that it

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helps them trigger that reclamation of their own truth and

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their own light and their own magia and their own power.

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so I wasn't writing it trying to fight the ways

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that people may see your practices I was writing it

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with a purpose or intention to facilitate the healing of

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people so it was never oh I hope that this

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helps people think this that or the other also In

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my own personal views, I don't think that it's my

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job to determine what is right or wrong because I've

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been wrong a lot of times. And I don't really

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have a face to come and tell people, oh, what

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you're doing is wrong because I've been wrong.

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Right.

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Right.

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Well, and sometimes you could be doing it what you

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would call wrong because in your practice, but in that

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other person's practice, it's right for them because it's the

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intention they're putting into it, correct?

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Yes. Or we could be doing it in a way

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that we think we are completely right. And then five

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years later, we go back and see ourselves and we

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see what we were thinking or doing five years ago.

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And then we're like, oh, Jesus Christ.

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I can't tell you how many times, just last night, actually,

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I was laying in bed thinking about past things, just

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the past. And I was like, literally thinking to myself

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like you idiot.

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It's just like, man, I think that about you a lot.

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Oh, thank you. Thank you.

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Wendy, if you don't know me and Eric are also

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family on top of being co-hosts and friends. So speaking

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of relationships and ancestors, um, a lot of, uh, uh,

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cultures and even in, uh, ancestors is a huge part

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of your practice. And you see this a lot in

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indigenous cultures, too. What does maintaining a relationship with your

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ancestors mean in a practice like this?

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Well, there is two things. sides to that there is

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the ideal scenario and there is a practical scenario the

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ideal scenario usually has a form of veneration and conversation

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and collaboration and healing and we tend to do altars

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and we tend to do rituals for our ancestors that's

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the ideal scenario but i find often that in the

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in the in the needs of life and in the

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troubles of life and in the craziness of life, sometimes

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our practices are just like, can somebody please come and

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help me with this? Thank you. And they show up.

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It doesn't necessarily be like, oh, hold on, listen, let

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me wait until I light all my candles and I

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light my copal and I do all my prayers to

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you and then please come and help me.

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Like it really has both ways. But also it is

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just the practice of having a conversation and And I

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think the most important practice on my perspective, it's that

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we have to also ask our ancestors, what can we

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do for them? It is not just a one-way relationship.

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When we are creating a collaboration with our ancestors, we're

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also helping them heal. So at least in my own experience,

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sometimes my ancestors come to me and say, hey, I

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am ready to heal this. Help me. They have past

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and their souls are in a different space. And I

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can ask them how I can help them to heal

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or to transmute something. Or I can ask them if

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it's something that I have to heal and I have

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to transmute for them to heal. Because in our tradition,

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we believe that we are connected to seven generations. Well,

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we're connected to many generations, right? But the seven generations

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from the moment that we're born, seven generations back, we

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have a really strong connection to them. And anything that

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we do in our present lifetime is going to affect

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those seven generations. So to create a really strong practice

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with your ancestors, you have to be willing to heal

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yourself and release the wounds that you may be carrying

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and just simply become even more whole, release your mental programmings,

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be better. And that way you are also helping your ancestors.

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Sure. Okay.

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Well, now, so.

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The way that you have shared that, it almost comes

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off like you may be a medium to a sense.

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I'm just assuming by the way you talk about you

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have to ask the ancestors what they want and they

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actively respond and answer you. But for those, and assuming

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you're not a medium, for those who are maybe trying

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to distinguish what they believe is ancestral communication, how do

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they distinguish what is imagination, what is coincidence, or what

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is just intuition or actual insight into the spirit or

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the deity or the entity that they're talking to?

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That's a great question. So I think first of all,

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we have to believe in it a little bit because

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we are showing completely skeptical. It's hard because we create

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our own blockings. or blockages in our communication. It is

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also important to know, at least for what I have

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observed in my own experiences and the experiences of my students,

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it's that ancestral communication, it's for the most part, very subtle.

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So instead of expecting that the lights of your room

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are going to go on and off and the house

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is going to shake and the wind suddenly is going

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to look like a hurricane, it's usually much more subtle.

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Like sometimes, just a song that means something to one

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of your ancestors or reminding you of your ancestors plays

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in the radio. Or sometimes you sense their presence or

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sometimes you smell them. Like one of the ways that

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I always know when my ancestors are around is because

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I can smell them. Like, especially my grandmother has like

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this particular like scent. So it's about being open and

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allowing the communication to, And trusting it. Because one of

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the lies that we have believed in our human experience

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is that we are separated from the ones that came

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before us. But the reality is, is that we are

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the results of their decisions. We are the results of

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their lives. We are the result of their existence. And

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even if you think about it genetically, you carry the

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genetics of your ancestors. You carry the epigenetics of your ancestors.

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So you are not separated. So even if we try

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to be very mental about it, we can still go

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on a biological level and understand that we have that connection.

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And try not to be too much into your head

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because sometimes if we're here a lot, we miss the

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other part.

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I mean, being a psychic medium, I can speak to

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that as well. I'm always questioning if what I'm getting

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is actually... the message or is it me answering myself.

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Like my subconscious?

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And so that, that's one thing that, um, I have

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found fascinating is no matter what you label yourself as, uh,

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psychic medium, blue, uh, which, um, intuitive, we all have

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that like question of, is this really what's going on?

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And just like an evidential mediumship, like people does an

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evidential mediumship, I also like to ask for data poisoning

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to my ancestors.

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Okay.

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So that I know that it's them, that I know

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at this point I have a really strong relationship with

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many of them. But if I'm trying to create a

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different relationship with a different ancestor that I didn't work before,

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I ask for evidence. Yeah. I ask for data points

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that will show me that it's them and not a

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trickster spirit that is trying to have fun. Yeah.

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For real.

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Yeah.

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All right, folks, welcome back to Paratroop Reborn. Wendy, before

469
00:29:13.650 --> 00:29:17.250
we went to break, we were talking about how to

470
00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:23.539
know the difference in communicating with ancestors. But does connecting

471
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.880
with ancestors always mean like it's somebody that you knew

472
00:29:27.109 --> 00:29:30.289
or know of that's in your family or can that

473
00:29:30.329 --> 00:29:32.630
relationship go much farther back?

474
00:29:34.589 --> 00:29:39.670
It goes farther back and he's not just or bad.

475
00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:43.279
blood ancestors. So we also have a connection to the

476
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.819
ancestors of the land. We also have a connection to

477
00:29:45.859 --> 00:29:49.880
the ancestors of the culture or tradition. We also have

478
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.589
a culture to our ancestors like mentors or teachers or

479
00:29:57.890 --> 00:30:01.470
adoptive parents or somebody that function like a parental figure

480
00:30:01.490 --> 00:30:05.130
we still we have a connection to them um and

481
00:30:08.769 --> 00:30:14.779
i saw now sorry adhd what else was the question

482
00:30:15.099 --> 00:30:18.839
i apologize about that it's 10 41 p.m oh you

483
00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:23.029
basically answered um oh yes yes and i remember now

484
00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:27.190
i remember now sorry about that But yeah, so we

485
00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:32.259
have different types of ancestors, but also we, for our

486
00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:36.059
bloodline ancestors, we can work not just with the ones

487
00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:38.869
that we know. We can also work with the ones

488
00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:42.329
that we don't know. Can I share a little bit

489
00:30:42.369 --> 00:30:46.539
of a story about that? So actually, I went through

490
00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:50.079
a really strong spiritual attack last year. or something that

491
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.160
tried to be a spiritual attack last year. They don't

492
00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:55.440
happen often, but they usually get you when you're really tired,

493
00:30:55.819 --> 00:30:58.640
when you're grieving, when you're sick, when you're having sleep,

494
00:30:58.660 --> 00:30:59.460
all those things, right?

495
00:30:59.619 --> 00:31:01.730
When you're completely down, yeah.

496
00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:04.829
Right, right. That counts a bunch. So I was going

497
00:31:04.849 --> 00:31:10.349
through something, and this something was not something that I

498
00:31:10.369 --> 00:31:12.849
had experienced. It was not something that I had ever,

499
00:31:13.089 --> 00:31:16.059
ever experienced. It was a different type of energy. And

500
00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:20.539
I talked to my regulars, my grandmother, my dad, my uncle,

501
00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:24.900
like different people in my family for help. And all

502
00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:26.789
of them said, it's not for me. It's not for me.

503
00:31:26.849 --> 00:31:30.230
It's not for me. It's somebody else's. So I suddenly

504
00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:33.950
had somebody from my family that is about three or

505
00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:40.869
four generations removed that was a horrible human being. that

506
00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:44.829
was a colonizer and that hurt a lot of people

507
00:31:45.369 --> 00:31:47.769
that came to me and said, I have been talking,

508
00:31:47.789 --> 00:31:49.430
I have been trying to connect with you for a

509
00:31:49.470 --> 00:31:53.069
really long time and I would love the opportunity to

510
00:31:53.650 --> 00:31:56.410
help you and connect. And the only thing that I

511
00:31:56.430 --> 00:31:59.869
will ask for you will be a glass of whiskey,

512
00:32:00.049 --> 00:32:02.430
which was really random because I had to like find

513
00:32:02.470 --> 00:32:04.779
whiskey because I didn't have whiskey in my house. But anyways,

514
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.420
and I talked to this ancestor who I had no

515
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:12.420
idea who he was. Later, like in the spot, I

516
00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:15.299
had to have that conversation and ask this ancestor for help. Later,

517
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.579
I got to confirm that this ancestor did existed, but

518
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.400
I didn't know at that point. I just asked a

519
00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:22.920
few questions and I figured out, okay, yeah, it's family.

520
00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:28.410
And this ancestor, unknown ancestor, went and took care of

521
00:32:28.450 --> 00:32:33.450
the thing. And within a couple of hours, the situation

522
00:32:33.470 --> 00:32:38.089
that was happening went back in calm and And these

523
00:32:38.509 --> 00:32:41.710
dude return and say, OK, I'm ready for my glass

524
00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:43.849
of whiskey. And then I pour the glass of whiskey

525
00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:48.009
and I left it on my on my table. So

526
00:32:48.150 --> 00:32:50.769
it doesn't have to be people that we know or

527
00:32:51.549 --> 00:32:55.730
people that we had a relationship with. Sometimes the savages

528
00:32:56.470 --> 00:33:01.460
that are in your family line love the blood. That

529
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.650
sounds really intense. But they really do. And that is

530
00:33:04.690 --> 00:33:07.769
something that you can collaborate with to help you. Or

531
00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:11.829
sometimes it's not a bad one. Sometimes there was somebody really,

532
00:33:11.869 --> 00:33:14.950
really wise in your family line. Sometimes there's somebody that

533
00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:18.359
was a very loving person in your family line. And

534
00:33:18.500 --> 00:33:21.819
they kind of like hang around until you finally call them.

535
00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:25.339
And they are usually really happy to support.

536
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:26.480
Yeah. Okay.

537
00:33:27.619 --> 00:33:27.799
So.

538
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:30.180
one thing I kind of want to delve into a

539
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.319
little bit here, if you're comfortable with it, um, is

540
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.819
the idea. I mean, you talked about spiritual attack you earlier,

541
00:33:35.859 --> 00:33:40.099
you mentioned trickster spirit, uh, which, which kind of exists

542
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:49.119
throughout multiple cultures. Um, what is it like, or what

543
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:55.160
is your experience within your practice with negative energies and

544
00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:59.220
the spiritual attacks? Like, You know, obviously in Christianity, there's like,

545
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:03.220
they believe demonic attacks or there's these separate entities that

546
00:34:03.349 --> 00:34:06.289
oppose God and the righteous and so on and so forth.

547
00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:09.150
And you see something very similar in the Middle East.

548
00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:14.309
How does that work with your practice? Is that similar

549
00:34:14.550 --> 00:34:22.280
or is it kind of separated as like an energy or? Yeah,

550
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:26.519
my question is done. All right. I thought maybe there

551
00:34:26.539 --> 00:34:28.039
was more and I was like, no, there's nothing.

552
00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:31.530
You tend to extend your questions with way more words

553
00:34:31.550 --> 00:34:34.130
than you need to.

554
00:34:35.269 --> 00:34:40.010
So, yes, we do believe that there are certain spirits

555
00:34:40.050 --> 00:34:44.380
that you can call demonic or you can call shells

556
00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:48.019
or you can call lower frequency spirits. It is a thing.

557
00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:53.880
It does exist. But my grandmother used to say, Cuidate

558
00:34:53.900 --> 00:34:58.030
de los vivos. which means be careful with the living ones.

559
00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:03.309
So usually for what I have experienced and I have

560
00:35:03.349 --> 00:35:08.010
seen in other people, number one, the spiritual attacks that

561
00:35:08.030 --> 00:35:11.360
we may be going through may be creations of our

562
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:15.360
own consciousness. They may be creations of our own mental programmings.

563
00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:19.219
They may be creations or consequences of our own ways.

564
00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.920
That's number one. It's a possibility. I always ask people,

565
00:35:22.250 --> 00:35:24.409
Do you actually create this or this is coming from

566
00:35:24.449 --> 00:35:27.630
somewhere else? Like, is this, like, sometimes we are the problem.

567
00:35:27.829 --> 00:35:31.170
It's like making a decision and then immediately regretting that decision.

568
00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:31.289
Right.

569
00:35:31.769 --> 00:35:33.889
Or thinking like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. But

570
00:35:33.969 --> 00:35:37.429
even though it didn't harm anything, you think about it

571
00:35:37.469 --> 00:35:39.010
too much and it starts to weigh on you.

572
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.460
Yeah. And that's one. Or our thought processes and then

573
00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:44.280
it can become a little egregore that is like doing

574
00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:48.059
some damage, right? Yeah. And then there's humans that in

575
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:52.320
their humanity that may do silly things. into your energy,

576
00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:56.440
send negative energies, try to unbalance you, try to distract

577
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.920
you from your path or purpose. So all of it exists.

578
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:11.269
What I consider really dangerous, it's actually narcissistic personalities, because

579
00:36:11.289 --> 00:36:16.159
I have experienced, number one, personally, and in secondhand observing

580
00:36:16.179 --> 00:36:19.539
narcissistic the damage that can happen to people when they're

581
00:36:19.579 --> 00:36:27.199
being manipulated by narcissistic personalities or sociopathic personalities. And that itself,

582
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.679
it's a way of spiritual attack. It is, it is,

583
00:36:29.739 --> 00:36:31.860
but it's not. We're talking about mental health. So like,

584
00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:34.969
I am not trying to bypass the fact that mental

585
00:36:34.989 --> 00:36:38.150
health is important. Not everything is magic. Go to the doctor,

586
00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:40.849
talk to a therapist, please get help if it's necessary.

587
00:36:41.530 --> 00:36:46.739
But also that manipulation creates these cycles of energetic abuse

588
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.860
that it's what we call calcification. So they start becoming

589
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.119
heavier and heavier and heavier on your thinking system and

590
00:36:57.179 --> 00:37:01.449
your ways of seeing the world that you suddenly are

591
00:37:01.530 --> 00:37:04.269
not longer yourself and you have to do a lot

592
00:37:04.289 --> 00:37:08.699
of reparation. Uh, so that's a long answer again. Uh,

593
00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:11.880
But yes, it can be demonic presences. It can be spirits.

594
00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:15.300
It can be negative spirits. But cuida de los vivos.

595
00:37:15.739 --> 00:37:20.409
Pay attention to who may be trying to shape your

596
00:37:20.449 --> 00:37:23.750
reality to fit their playbook.

597
00:37:25.269 --> 00:37:25.610
Okay.

598
00:37:27.750 --> 00:37:28.289
So something.

599
00:37:28.989 --> 00:37:32.309
You mentioned in the book, and I've heard a lot

600
00:37:32.329 --> 00:37:35.929
of people talk about this, even in psychic mediumship, is

601
00:37:36.010 --> 00:37:41.099
reclaiming your power, reclaiming your energy, cutting those ties. What

602
00:37:41.139 --> 00:37:44.800
do you think causes us to lose that sense of

603
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.280
personal power in the first place?

604
00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:53.679
It starts as we're children. And all the no's that

605
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.610
come from our parents and from our culture and from

606
00:37:56.670 --> 00:38:00.190
religion are All the times that we are being told

607
00:38:00.369 --> 00:38:04.969
that we are expected to fit in certain boxes, whatever

608
00:38:05.030 --> 00:38:08.349
the box look like, because it's different for different cultures

609
00:38:08.409 --> 00:38:11.550
and people. Every time that you have to deny your

610
00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:14.510
own truths, every time that you have to shut down

611
00:38:14.550 --> 00:38:19.039
your voice, every time that you have to pretend that

612
00:38:19.219 --> 00:38:23.099
you are small to make people comfortable, not to take

613
00:38:23.139 --> 00:38:27.239
space so that others don't become uncomfortable. That's what begins

614
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.960
the process. And then obviously through life, right? Like there's

615
00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:31.659
a lot of different experiences that we can go through.

616
00:38:31.699 --> 00:38:34.639
But I think it starts at the beginning. And if

617
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.480
we go even deeper, it starts with our ancestors because

618
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.280
they went through trauma. They went through wounds. They went

619
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.949
through spiritual experiences or professional, not professional, mental experiences, emotional

620
00:38:46.989 --> 00:38:50.389
experiences that they may not have healed yet. And then

621
00:38:50.409 --> 00:38:56.679
they pass all that funk into us. Yeah.

622
00:38:56.739 --> 00:39:04.150
I mean, we've talked about ancestral trauma and even ancestral

623
00:39:04.190 --> 00:39:08.150
curses and stuff like that, too. And that can happen, too. Yeah.

624
00:39:08.349 --> 00:39:12.730
So I'm glad you bring that up because it does

625
00:39:12.750 --> 00:39:16.019
go well beyond before we're born.

626
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:17.400
But yeah.

627
00:39:19.090 --> 00:39:21.619
Yeah, we don't realize how much trauma we go through

628
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:25.699
as kids and even young adulthood before we get to

629
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.610
our ages now. And we're like, why the heck did we?

630
00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:33.800
let that happen like Eric mentioned you idiot like why

631
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:35.820
did you do that or why did you let that

632
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.420
happen and we tend to blame ourselves too which causes

633
00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:40.619
even more trauma.

634
00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:44.679
And also like a lot of people that are magical

635
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.440
people whatever you want to call them whatever the practice

636
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:49.320
is right whatever the name the label doesn't matter sometimes

637
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.090
A lot of the people that are magical people are empaths.

638
00:39:54.869 --> 00:39:58.369
We feel the pain and the emotion and the sensations

639
00:39:58.429 --> 00:40:02.309
of other people. And sometimes there is an imprint between

640
00:40:02.349 --> 00:40:08.550
other people's energies and our energies. Or sometimes we empathize

641
00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:14.679
so much that we absorb unconsciously some of that. Or

642
00:40:15.460 --> 00:40:17.679
right now, like look at the collective, right? We are

643
00:40:17.739 --> 00:40:21.710
living in a time that is space insert in these

644
00:40:21.769 --> 00:40:25.900
parentheses whatever you want to call it uh interesting and

645
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:30.960
we are witnessing a lot of things that are not

646
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:34.159
balanced so that also causes a lot of.

647
00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:37.969
Trauma yeah you know and i think also when it

648
00:40:37.989 --> 00:40:41.989
comes to trauma um i mean obviously there's sometimes that

649
00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:44.570
aha moment you know in life where it's like something

650
00:40:44.630 --> 00:40:47.780
happens and you realize like This is where, this is

651
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.030
how it began. This is where all of these little

652
00:40:50.070 --> 00:40:54.050
issues happened. But on top of that, you know, I

653
00:40:54.090 --> 00:40:56.849
think it really depends on personality as well or who

654
00:40:56.909 --> 00:40:59.269
you are as an individual. Like I am the type,

655
00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:02.710
for example, well, first quick little story. Last night I'm

656
00:41:02.750 --> 00:41:05.610
laying in bed and, you know, just trying to fall asleep.

657
00:41:05.869 --> 00:41:08.610
But I got hit with this sudden wave of sadness

658
00:41:08.909 --> 00:41:11.159
and I was just thinking about all these past events

659
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.579
and they were just, you know, they were troubling or heavy.

660
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.500
And I'm like, why am I thinking about this now?

661
00:41:15.949 --> 00:41:18.250
Why is it coming up? Right. But I'm also the

662
00:41:18.289 --> 00:41:21.550
type of person, despite being an empath, who tends to

663
00:41:21.730 --> 00:41:24.079
shove emotions to the side. I tend to push it

664
00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:28.059
all down, bury it and just continue to live my life. And,

665
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.019
you know, you don't realize until it's too late that

666
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.280
that stuff builds up and eventually you can't hold it

667
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.630
whether you want to or not. And it starts seeping out.

668
00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:39.150
And then you're wondering, why am I depressed? Why am

669
00:41:39.190 --> 00:41:41.369
I angry? Why am I this or that? It's like, oh,

670
00:41:41.389 --> 00:41:44.469
it's because you suppressed it. all this, you know, these

671
00:41:44.510 --> 00:41:48.949
past several weeks, you know, we, as individuals, regardless of

672
00:41:48.989 --> 00:41:53.389
belief systems, uh, as humans, you know, you, you, we, we,

673
00:41:53.409 --> 00:41:56.929
we need to release emotion. We need to feel those things,

674
00:41:57.190 --> 00:41:59.070
even if it's in private, you know, it's not like

675
00:41:59.090 --> 00:42:02.409
you have to go talk to somebody necessarily. Um, but

676
00:42:02.449 --> 00:42:04.800
you know, if something, you know, something makes you angry,

677
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.250
feel that anger, you know, go take it out on a,

678
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.460
a punching bag or, or, you know, go listen to

679
00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:15.460
some rage music or something, you know, Um, and so,

680
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.880
you know, I think there's effective ways to fight trauma,

681
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:21.980
but the simple fact is it's, it's very difficult for

682
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.559
a lot of people because we're, we live in a

683
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.199
world where people expect you to push that stuff down

684
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.280
and not show those emotions. Um, you know, they don't

685
00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:32.980
want to see it. It's like a hard, it's a

686
00:42:33.019 --> 00:42:35.590
hard world. You know, it's like you got to toughen

687
00:42:35.659 --> 00:42:37.789
up in order to live in it. And so most

688
00:42:37.829 --> 00:42:40.630
people walk around with their head held high, burying it

689
00:42:40.730 --> 00:42:45.159
all like myself. Uh, until it pours out and then you're,

690
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.380
you know, what do I do? Where do I go?

691
00:42:47.860 --> 00:42:48.480
What is happening?

692
00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:51.480
Can I throw a reframe into that one?

693
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:52.000
Absolutely.

694
00:42:54.099 --> 00:43:00.750
All that you're saying is true, but I invite you

695
00:43:00.949 --> 00:43:03.829
or anybody else that is listening to this, that feels

696
00:43:03.989 --> 00:43:07.570
right for you and your soul to give yourself permission

697
00:43:07.670 --> 00:43:11.130
to feel your emotions or whatever it is that you're carrying.

698
00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:16.130
For yourself, for your ancestors, but also for all the

699
00:43:16.150 --> 00:43:20.289
people that you love. Because the moment that someone gives

700
00:43:20.329 --> 00:43:25.409
themselves permission to be authentic and feel their emotions, that

701
00:43:25.469 --> 00:43:29.469
moment is a magical moment where everybody around you feels

702
00:43:29.550 --> 00:43:34.329
like they also have permission to feel. So it goes

703
00:43:34.389 --> 00:43:37.670
beyond just our own feelings and our own sensations. Everybody

704
00:43:37.750 --> 00:43:41.030
else starts observing, oh, that person is actually living the

705
00:43:41.070 --> 00:43:44.380
human experience in a way that it's much more human.

706
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.739
That means that I no longer have to shovel my

707
00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:50.579
emotions because this person is also doing it.

708
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.429
Yeah.

709
00:43:53.429 --> 00:43:53.989
If that helps.

710
00:43:54.429 --> 00:43:54.670
Yeah.

711
00:43:54.909 --> 00:43:55.610
Or anybody else.

712
00:43:56.409 --> 00:43:56.710
Absolutely.

713
00:43:56.730 --> 00:43:56.929
Absolutely.

714
00:43:58.659 --> 00:44:01.510
So you mentioned a little bit ago about, you know,

715
00:44:01.530 --> 00:44:05.829
that there's a difference between spiritual healing and mental health

716
00:44:07.230 --> 00:44:12.489
or medical differences. Is there a line between spiritual healing

717
00:44:13.130 --> 00:44:15.309
and those other kinds of healing that you need to do?

718
00:44:16.309 --> 00:44:20.179
Can you even define a line where you definitely should

719
00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:24.500
be reaching out to medical or mental health compared to

720
00:44:24.579 --> 00:44:25.199
spiritual healing?

721
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:31.440
I believe that everybody should have a therapist, regardless of

722
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.949
where you are at in life. If things are going

723
00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.849
really well, so that you can have somebody neutral to

724
00:44:36.909 --> 00:44:39.349
go and tell all the things to help you celebrate.

725
00:44:40.489 --> 00:44:44.349
And if things are going hard or difficult, then so

726
00:44:44.369 --> 00:44:47.409
that you can have somebody to have a conversation that

727
00:44:47.469 --> 00:44:50.360
is neutral, that can guide you. And that you can

728
00:44:50.389 --> 00:44:53.860
have a container for those conversations. I have an appointment

729
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.219
with my therapist every Thursday at 10 a.m. And I

730
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.539
have it. I mean, unless I'm like sick or traveling

731
00:45:00.619 --> 00:45:03.340
or whatever, but I show up even if I don't

732
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.400
feel like I need it because it's always good to

733
00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:11.599
have those spaces. When it comes to spirituality and spiritual

734
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:17.380
support and spiritual mentorship and guidance, I think also everybody

735
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.360
should have a conversation with some sort of spiritual guide

736
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.860
or some sort of spiritual mentor. And it can be

737
00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:24.860
a curandero or a witch or a coach or a

738
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:29.050
priest of your religious life. or a, I don't know

739
00:45:29.250 --> 00:45:33.019
how you call the members of congregations, but like, you know,

740
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.320
like other people in other religions. I think that is

741
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:40.280
also important because as humans, we are the mental aspect,

742
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.510
we are the physical aspect, we are the emotional aspect,

743
00:45:43.610 --> 00:45:47.130
and we are the spiritual aspect. So it's unfair to

744
00:45:47.190 --> 00:45:51.429
expect that a doctor covers all aspects of your life,

745
00:45:51.750 --> 00:45:55.050
that a witch covers all aspects of your life, that

746
00:45:55.070 --> 00:45:57.730
a healer covers all aspects of your life. So it's

747
00:45:57.769 --> 00:46:01.519
more like everybody should have a support system and that

748
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.500
support system should be, should have a variety of help.

749
00:46:08.780 --> 00:46:10.719
But I do have, I do have a list of

750
00:46:10.780 --> 00:46:14.179
like red flags that I consider. Like if somebody brings

751
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:19.670
certain things to a conversation, I, For example, like if

752
00:46:19.710 --> 00:46:23.849
I see a sense of grandiosity or if I see

753
00:46:27.170 --> 00:46:30.150
that somebody's taking it a little to the extreme or

754
00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:34.210
that they're not eating, they're not sleeping, they are, what's

755
00:46:34.250 --> 00:46:35.929
the word? There's a word for this, but I don't

756
00:46:36.050 --> 00:46:40.690
remember right now. That they are not themselves, that whatever

757
00:46:40.750 --> 00:46:45.590
spiritual process, practices they're going through or spiritual visions they're

758
00:46:45.630 --> 00:46:48.349
going through, they are bigger than them. Like if they

759
00:46:48.369 --> 00:46:51.230
cannot control it, if they cannot shut it down, if

760
00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.940
they cannot say, okay, no spirit right now, I don't

761
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.260
want to talk to you. I got to go play

762
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:01.119
with my kids, right? That could be psychosis. And I mean,

763
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.119
I'm not a therapist, so I cannot diagnose that somebody's

764
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.860
having psychosis. I don't have the medical training for that.

765
00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:11.199
I'm actually an industrial mechanical engineer. I don't speak medical terms,

766
00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:13.949
but I can observe things like this. So I can

767
00:47:13.969 --> 00:47:17.389
tell people, maybe it will be good that you go

768
00:47:17.969 --> 00:47:21.250
and have these kind of conversations with a therapist or

769
00:47:21.289 --> 00:47:25.210
a psychiatrist. And also sometimes I just tell people, you

770
00:47:25.250 --> 00:47:27.519
know what? I am not the right person for you.

771
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:29.280
I have had people that have reached out to me

772
00:47:30.530 --> 00:47:33.090
for help for different aspects. And I said, I am

773
00:47:33.130 --> 00:47:35.809
not the right person for you. Just go find somebody.

774
00:47:35.829 --> 00:47:39.559
And I think that we should have the responsibility, like us,

775
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:43.239
which is healers, shamans, curanderos, we should have the responsibility

776
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.079
of understanding what's her place in the whole equation.

777
00:47:49.579 --> 00:47:52.400
Yeah, you know, I find it, like for myself personally,

778
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.260
there's a stint where, you know, because of my Christian beliefs,

779
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.989
there was a time where I felt so much guilt

780
00:48:02.110 --> 00:48:04.929
or just, you know, constantly felt like I was in

781
00:48:04.949 --> 00:48:08.909
the wrong because of what is quote unquote sin, you know?

782
00:48:08.929 --> 00:48:12.239
And it's like, it started weighing so heavily on myself

783
00:48:12.860 --> 00:48:15.880
that I realized, you know, this can't be all it

784
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.260
is like, this is my life where it's constant fear, constant,

785
00:48:19.300 --> 00:48:23.210
like feeling bad about myself, constant guilt. Like there's, you

786
00:48:23.250 --> 00:48:24.989
have to make a shift and you have to find

787
00:48:25.030 --> 00:48:26.869
out what that is. And like through therapy, I was

788
00:48:26.929 --> 00:48:29.340
able to figure that out and learn about that, but

789
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.599
also just through talking to other people, spiritual people who

790
00:48:32.780 --> 00:48:36.860
weren't of the Christian faith to shed some light. And

791
00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:40.420
it's like, I realized, you know, we have free will.

792
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.570
It's okay to live your life. So long as you're

793
00:48:43.590 --> 00:48:46.750
not harming other individuals, you know, it's okay to live

794
00:48:46.769 --> 00:48:49.510
your life and not worry so much because in the end,

795
00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:53.480
you know, what happens on the other side is completely

796
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.159
up to you. Ultimately, you know, it's the way you

797
00:48:57.179 --> 00:49:01.849
live your life and what you decide. But yeah, like,

798
00:49:02.369 --> 00:49:04.349
like I've just, and I've talked about therapy a lot

799
00:49:04.429 --> 00:49:09.110
on this, on the show and the amount of work

800
00:49:09.969 --> 00:49:12.210
that you think you can do for yourself by just

801
00:49:12.230 --> 00:49:16.590
simply doing shadow work. Not that it's not good. It

802
00:49:17.429 --> 00:49:23.000
just doesn't draw out the same experience. and learning that

803
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:27.360
you get through therapy and through other people who maybe

804
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.119
have gone through similar things.

805
00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:31.920
Right, right. Somebody that is able to create a container

806
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:33.760
so that we can go through whatever it is that

807
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:38.489
we have to go through and then come back better. Right. Worse.

808
00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:43.650
Exactly. Um, oh, were you going to say that, Justin?

809
00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:44.570
No, go ahead.

810
00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:48.510
Oh, okay. So a little bit about the magic aspect

811
00:49:48.929 --> 00:49:52.349
of your practice here. First and foremost, what does the

812
00:49:52.429 --> 00:49:57.760
word magia mean to you beyond simply spells or rituals?

813
00:50:00.900 --> 00:50:05.570
The meaning of magia. So the translation will be magic, right? But, um,

814
00:50:06.219 --> 00:50:07.880
It depends on who you ask Magic, because if you

815
00:50:07.940 --> 00:50:09.980
ask a board gamer, they're going to say this set

816
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:16.119
of cards. But for me, it is the ability to

817
00:50:17.179 --> 00:50:22.780
shape a reality with a power in collaboration, not using,

818
00:50:23.380 --> 00:50:26.440
in connection with a power that is greater than us.

819
00:50:27.469 --> 00:50:30.389
You can call it God, goddess, divine intelligence, supreme love.

820
00:50:30.489 --> 00:50:33.090
It has so many, Allah, I don't know, Buddha. A

821
00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:35.429
lot of people call it different things. But it is,

822
00:50:35.469 --> 00:50:38.780
you know, that essence between our humanity and our connection

823
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.659
to that greater power. And what happens between our humanity

824
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.320
and our connection to that greater power. And our inner

825
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.159
magia or inner magic is remembering that. Remembering the fact

826
00:50:50.219 --> 00:50:54.239
that we are also source power. remembering the fact that

827
00:50:54.260 --> 00:50:57.679
we are also divinity, remembering the fact that we are

828
00:50:57.889 --> 00:51:02.469
also sacred. One of the biggest lies that humanity has

829
00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:06.190
believed is that we are separated from God, goddess, but

830
00:51:06.230 --> 00:51:08.730
we are one. We are one with God, goddess. We

831
00:51:08.769 --> 00:51:11.300
are one with humanity. We are one with the elements.

832
00:51:11.820 --> 00:51:14.780
We are all one. What happens in our hearts affects

833
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.840
other people. What happens in other people's lives affects us.

834
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:24.769
So magia is remembering that For me, it's a truth.

835
00:51:24.849 --> 00:51:27.969
Maybe people disagree with this, and that's okay. But that

836
00:51:28.030 --> 00:51:31.409
truth that we are one with source and that truth

837
00:51:31.550 --> 00:51:36.969
that in that connection, we can modify our circumstances so

838
00:51:37.030 --> 00:51:39.340
that we can live a life that is much more

839
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:40.579
aligned to our purpose.

840
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.800
Okay. Before I let you go ask a question, Justin,

841
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.599
I got to just say that I appreciate you subtly

842
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:53.869
correcting my pronunciation. No. of that word without embarrassing me.

843
00:51:57.590 --> 00:51:58.170
It's all good.

844
00:51:59.690 --> 00:52:02.489
Or he could be like me and purposefully embarrass him

845
00:52:02.510 --> 00:52:04.380
in front of everybody.

846
00:52:04.530 --> 00:52:08.300
He gets a kick out of that. I think it's

847
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:10.699
really nice that people try to say the words in

848
00:52:10.739 --> 00:52:14.079
the way that they are. It will not be okay

849
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:17.469
to expect that everybody pronounces Thanks. I used to live

850
00:52:17.489 --> 00:52:19.449
in Finland. Before I came to the U.S., I went

851
00:52:20.230 --> 00:52:21.989
from Mexico to Finland and then a bunch of other

852
00:52:22.010 --> 00:52:24.449
places in the U.S. And when I was living in Finland,

853
00:52:24.590 --> 00:52:28.530
I really appreciated that the Finnish culture never joke or

854
00:52:28.590 --> 00:52:31.889
make fun of my pronunciation. And believe me, it was wrong.

855
00:52:32.349 --> 00:52:35.699
Or maybe they did and I didn't understand, but I

856
00:52:35.739 --> 00:52:36.119
don't think.

857
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.179
That's why they stopped speaking English.

858
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:40.280
Wait, what?

859
00:52:40.300 --> 00:52:43.659
No, and the worst part is like, because like some

860
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.449
of the, not just here, but in many of the

861
00:52:46.469 --> 00:52:48.269
interviews that we've done, you know, there are words that

862
00:52:48.429 --> 00:52:51.190
I can't, I like, I look at them like, oh, no,

863
00:52:51.210 --> 00:52:51.869
I'm not even going to try.

864
00:52:51.889 --> 00:52:53.329
So I'll get them done. I was going to be English.

865
00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:56.280
I can't, we're not such a profile. I just can't speak.

866
00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:02.380
But you know, it was like, even with, uh, with this,

867
00:53:02.420 --> 00:53:05.199
like I'll look at the pronunciation and I'll read the

868
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:10.230
pronunciation and I still get it completely wrong. And it's like, what,

869
00:53:10.750 --> 00:53:12.860
why could you just like, I always look for the

870
00:53:12.889 --> 00:53:16.159
YouTube ones that actually pronounce it for me. You know,

871
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:17.880
I get it now.

872
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:19.480
Words.

873
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:21.960
I don't like words.

874
00:53:24.179 --> 00:53:26.239
Well, Wendy, we are, we are getting kind of close

875
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.849
to the end. So I did want to ask you

876
00:53:28.869 --> 00:53:33.670
if there's one thing or maybe a couple of things

877
00:53:33.730 --> 00:53:37.389
that people learn from our conversation today or from the book,

878
00:53:37.949 --> 00:53:39.809
what would you want them to learn from all of this?

879
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:46.380
How many hours do I have now? Yeah, about two minutes.

880
00:53:46.820 --> 00:53:47.440
Two minutes.

881
00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:51.590
Remember that you are one with spirit and one with humanity.

882
00:53:52.590 --> 00:53:55.369
That the more you focus on your consciousness and your

883
00:53:55.409 --> 00:53:58.929
growth and your healing, the more you can help the world.

884
00:53:59.530 --> 00:54:03.250
And that power exists in everybody. You do not need

885
00:54:03.289 --> 00:54:07.869
to have an intermediary to connect to source, god, goddess.

886
00:54:08.469 --> 00:54:11.090
There are people that can help, yes, but you do

887
00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:15.809
have the power. to have that connection you do have

888
00:54:15.849 --> 00:54:17.769
the power to talk to your spirits and talk to

889
00:54:17.789 --> 00:54:20.760
your ancestors and you are not alone because there is

890
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.500
not just hundreds but thousands of people that came before

891
00:54:23.539 --> 00:54:28.059
you that are lining up outside of your door waiting

892
00:54:28.099 --> 00:54:30.360
for you to call them to come and help you.

893
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.730
Okay awesome final question of the night where can everyone

894
00:54:35.769 --> 00:54:36.809
find you and your work.

895
00:54:38.369 --> 00:54:42.869
You can find me at bruja.us, so B-R-U-J-A dot U-S.

896
00:54:42.969 --> 00:54:44.489
I've been trying to get the dot com for a

897
00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:48.309
long time, but it hasn't happened. If anybody of you

898
00:54:48.469 --> 00:54:53.489
owns it, please contact me. Yes, and I just wrote

899
00:54:53.510 --> 00:54:57.579
a book. It's called Bruja Curandera, Spells, Rituals, and Ancestor Work.

900
00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.739
I have to read it because it's a really long thing. Okay.

901
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.179
from a mexican healer and witch uh and the book

902
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:08.400
has a website bruja curandera.com that just reroutes you to bruja.us

903
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.599
and you can see everything there uh right now the

904
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:15.440
next project that i have is a summit for ancestral

905
00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:18.659
work that is called the ancestral magic experience that is

906
00:55:18.699 --> 00:55:21.010
happening november 2nd 3rd and 4th so if you go

907
00:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.630
to bruja.us there's going to be a little pop-up window

908
00:55:23.650 --> 00:55:25.570
uh that is going to ask you for your name

909
00:55:25.610 --> 00:55:28.610
and email and you get access for free and it's

910
00:55:28.829 --> 00:55:33.309
uh 18 different workshops plus four speaker panels where we

911
00:55:33.349 --> 00:55:38.130
talk about ancestral healing, releasing ancestral wounds, reclaiming our ancestral gifts,

912
00:55:38.690 --> 00:55:42.829
and generational curses. So if you guys want to learn

913
00:55:42.849 --> 00:55:46.449
more about Ancestry, that's a good place to be. Awesome.

914
00:55:47.090 --> 00:55:49.409
Well, Wendy, thank you for being on Paratroop Reborn.

915
00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:52.469
Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure. Thanks.

916
00:55:52.690 --> 00:55:52.829
Bye.

917
00:55:54.670 --> 00:55:58.280
All right, folks. Um, we hope that you enjoyed this conversation.

918
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.019
Make sure you check out Bruja Carandera. Um, especially if

919
00:56:02.059 --> 00:56:04.869
you're super interested in this, it's, this is one of

920
00:56:04.909 --> 00:56:08.909
those things that I've always had this interest in, um,

921
00:56:09.690 --> 00:56:13.010
So it was good to read through the book and

922
00:56:13.130 --> 00:56:16.099
also talk to Wendy about all of this. If you

923
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.940
want to hear the continued conversation, we've said it for

924
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.800
multiple weeks now. The best way to do that is

925
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:27.010
to join our support club. You just go to Spreaker,

926
00:56:27.030 --> 00:56:32.469
our Spreaker account, and find us there, Paratroop Reborn, and

927
00:56:32.530 --> 00:56:35.500
just join for five bucks. And you get extra content.

928
00:56:35.860 --> 00:56:39.019
And we do extra posts and stuff like that as well.

929
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:45.480
As well as a non-commercial version of the episode. Also

930
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.920
make sure you get into our Paratroothers community. Where you

931
00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:52.260
can take part in polls. Talk to other people that

932
00:56:52.340 --> 00:56:55.949
are interested in this super weird thing that we call

933
00:56:55.969 --> 00:57:03.760
the paranormal. We are literally on... the doorstep of spooky season.

934
00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:07.679
So we've got some really cool conversations coming up for you.

935
00:57:09.769 --> 00:57:12.849
Anything I'm missing for housekeeping?

936
00:57:13.889 --> 00:57:14.110
Nope.

937
00:57:14.349 --> 00:57:18.489
I think it's all cleaned up. All right. All right, folks.

938
00:57:18.889 --> 00:57:21.349
Until next week where you will find us same time,

939
00:57:21.949 --> 00:57:23.489
same channel. My name is Justin.

940
00:57:23.809 --> 00:57:25.289
And I'm Eric. Peace.