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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we'll be talking to Taverly
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Anglin about her book, The Sacred Magic.
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Of the North. Welcome to Paratruth Reborn.
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What's going on, Paratroothers?
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Welcome to another episode of Paratrooth Reborn. My name is Justin.
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And I'm Eric. When people hear the word witchcraft, they understand.
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Probably imagine spells, candles, mysterious ceremonies, and maybe a little
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supernatural intrigue. But what if the foundation of magic is
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actually something much simpler? Something connected to the earth, the
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changing of the seasons, and our own relationship with ourselves?
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Our guest tonight is going to help answer those questions
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and so much more than Haverly, welcome to Paratruth Reborn.
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Thank you.
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I'm excited to be here. And I think magic is both, right?
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It is the big ceremonies and the practical. Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Everybody thinks it's, you know, shooting lightning bolts out of
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your fingers and magic wands and all that. And it's
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much more simpler than that. Or it can be.
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It can be.
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Do you know that the most commonly asked question I
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received like the first 10 years of my practice when
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I officially came out of the broom closet was, If
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I actually.
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Carried a broom.
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And I think people seriously, they seriously wondered because their
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mind went to the idea of what Hollywood has portrayed
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for witches.
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And I'm like, yeah, I've got 10.
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Do you want me to pull one out of my backpack?
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That would be magic in and of itself.
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I mean, I do carry a broom for different reasons,
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but yes. Yeah.
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Well, before we get into the book itself, I'd love
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to know more about your personal journey. What initially drew
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you to witchcraft and earth based spirituality?
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Yeah, I think of all we all go through this
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journey in life where we go through these hard things
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and challenges and we find solace in some way, shape
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or form. And, you know, hopefully we use the challenges
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we've gone through to grow. And I can just say
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that the challenges that I've faced in my life led
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me to continually kind of look to this one question.
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And I feel like I have held this question in
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my heart forever until I spoke it aloud. And the
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question was, is this all there is? And then when
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something difficult would come along, it's like that question would
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just reappear itself. Oh, well, this is hard and this
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is hard. And well, I didn't like that.
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And meanwhile.
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I was following the traditional formula of the right job,
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the right education, the right family, the right house. I
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had all the right things. And it still just left
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this taste in my mouth that I didn't understand purpose.
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And I've been through lots of very difficult things, as
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we all have. And for me, a lot of those
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were medical. And I had 12 major surgeries. And in
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those later years of surgeries, after a post complication from
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having a tumor removed from my breast, I, you know,
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I had to have this emergency surgery. And when I
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was put to sleep for the emergency surgery, I had
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an experience of walking to the edge of a cliff
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and seeing the other side. And I mean, I remember it.
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And now I wonder, do I actually remember it from
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it happening? Or do I remember from talking about it?
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But regardless, this memory is imprinted in me. And I
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walked to the edge of this cliff and saw the
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other side. And I never really think that I had
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like a near death experience. I don't think it was that.
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I think I had a visual experience of reactivation of
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my seer vision, which I've had since I was young.
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And in a way that led me to just appreciate
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and understand that this is like living is what it's
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all about.
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You know, is this all there is? Well, Are you
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living to full capacity?
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Are you living, you know, feeling empowered to choose to
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do things the way that it feels good to you?
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Or are you living by what you've been told you
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should do? And so when I woke up from that
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experience the next day, I'm like, okay, like I'm still here.
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This is super interesting. And I really started to change
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my life at that point. I mean, I let a
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lot of things go and I had already been dabbling in,
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you know, different spiritual practices. I think at that time, yeah,
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I had been doing a little bit of learning how
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to shamanic drum. I'd been doing deep meditation, deep yoga.
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So I had already kind of explored what was possible
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for my body to experience. And being a former collegiate athlete,
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plus all the injuries and surgeries I've had in my body,
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I've always had this deep appreciation for my physical aliveness, right?
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So going through another thing that challenged my physical aliveness.
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I had this extra layer of gratitude. So I woke
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up the next day and I really think that that
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was it for me. It stirred the pot enough of
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that question, is this all there is? And having that experience.
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And as they say, when the student's ready, the teacher appears.
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And I just started meeting people that started dropping little
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hints of information that led to me finding the first
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teacher that says, oh, you should come into our high
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priestess class. And I'm like, what's that? And she said, oh, well,
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that thing you're building over there on that shelf in
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your room is actually an altar. And oh, you know,
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that goddess that you're meditating with in yoga is how
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you're connecting to the divine. And oh, that thing you
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did when you were walking and sat with the trees
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and did this little ritual, that's magic. And that's how
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it started for me. And I feel like owning the word,
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which was a different part of the process, or even
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speaking that word aloud, that was kind of a different
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part of the process. But going on the journey that
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led me to understand that question, you know, if this
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is all there is, was a.
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Big part of it for me.
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Right.
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And I think a lot of us in this community
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kind of have a similar experience in many ways, you know,
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myself included, which is, you know, I was always doing
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the nine to five job. I knew that's what I
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had to do. I couldn't go to film and do
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film school and all that stuff like I wanted to do. So,
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but I did go to film school and COVID happened
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and got stuck. And it's like, you know, there comes
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a point where you're just laying in bed. Like I
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literally remember waking up one morning, just staring at the
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ceiling like this. I can't do this. Like I can't
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do this every day, the same thing over and over
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and over, you know? And I just walked in and
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put a two week notice in with nothing lined up,
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no clue what was going to happen. And, you know,
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I just stuck to it, stuck to it. And I just,
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And it's like now I'm working freelance in the movie industry,
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which is what I wanted to do since I was
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like 13 years old. If you didn't take that leap
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of faith, which a lot of people don't, that they're
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scared to take that leap of faith. I just talked
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to someone. I'm out in California visiting my sister and
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my girlfriend. And I was talking to one of my
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sister's friends the other day who's kind of in that
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same boat that I was in. And he's scared to
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take that leap. I'm like, man, sometimes you just got
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to take the leap. Because if you don't, you have
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to choose what the bigger fear is. Is the fear,
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you know, is the fear that you're not going to
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have the money to live the life you want? Or
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is the fear that you're going to get to a
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certain age and look back and think, I wish I
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did that. And now it's way too late. Yeah. And
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the same thing happens spiritually as well. You know, I
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was born again Christian in 2009. And I stayed on
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that track for a long time, got a degree in
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religion there. before getting a bachelor's degree in film. And
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it got to a point where it was like, man, this,
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I go to church every day and I enjoy the message,
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but I don't relate to a lot of these people.
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Like most of the people I'm closest with are those
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that I talked to on this show, the walk of life,
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you know? And so I still had that Christian foundation
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of my triune God, but there's such a greater expanse
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in terms of my belief systems and spirituality and how
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spirituality exists for each person, you know? And it's like,
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once I, So long I, like, fought that because, like,
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that's not the way the Christian, you know, the whole
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Christian doctrine is the way, you know. But once I
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finally let go and said, you know what, maybe it's not. Well,
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now there's, like, this whole weight lifted, you know, and
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I feel closer to God now than I did back
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when I was going to church. That's part of the message.
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And it's like, obviously, there's people who argue, like, oh,
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you know, they have their opinions, put it that way.
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As I'm sure you've found through me as well, in
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the seniors. Which, you know, ultimately, once you grow up,
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go to a certain point, it's like those opinions don't matter. Well,
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the only one that matters is your own. But, you know,
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I just think that's a fascinating story. And I love
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that you're willing to share that with us. You know,
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it's hard to share sometimes when you're going, you know,
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when you're in a spot where it's like, oh, what
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do I do? I'm in this dark spot. I'm through
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all these surgeries. What happens next? You know, we don't
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know what happens next.
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And I love that you shared that, too, because here's
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what I here's what I believe. And this is part
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of the reason why I wrote the books the way
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that I did, which have real personal, because there's four books, well,
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five coming out.
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I think you held up.
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The first one. There's two out now. But at the
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start of every chapter, I lead with a very personal story.
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Some of them are hard.
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Some of them are magical of the wild and crazy
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things that have happened. And some of them are just
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real difficult parts of being a human. And I think
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it's important that we share our stories. And I also
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think it's important that people see an example of what
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we can do.
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Am I good? You're good. The video's just frozen. Yes.
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It was a good position, too.
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I was like, what tarot card is that?
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I have to think.
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I think it helps to share your story and it
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helps to be an example of what's possible.
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When I think of.
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What I teach in spirituality and what I teach in
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with people's psychic gifts and developing your seer vision, it's
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really difficult to make an image or an idea appear
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in your mind if you haven't seen it before, right?
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Like if you haven't, if you haven't seen somebody do
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something before, you know, you're still having to work really
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hard for your imagination to create it. But, you know,
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you and I just sharing these examples, people can see us,
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they can see our faces, they can hear our voices
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and they can see that, You know, we made choices
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along the way to say.
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Yes, I will.
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I will. I will believe in God and I will
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also embrace this. And yes, I will be the creator
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in my life. And yes, I will also do this
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because we are so multifaceted. We don't have to be
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one thing. We are many things, especially in the course
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of our lifetime.
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We are many, many things.
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Well, now you had mentioned the high priestess. You are
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the high priestess of the Moon Temple Mystery School. What
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does being a high priestess mean to you? And does
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it differentiate from what others might consider in other crafts
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to be a high priestess?
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Yeah, I definitely think that how I view it to
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be in the way that I received my first initiation
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and how I initiate others, it's probably different. And a
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lot of people might know the high priestess word from
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the Wiccan tradition, which is I'm not Wiccan. The high
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priestess is considered to be an elevated state of devotion
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and commitment to your own personal growth, first and foremost,
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and to be of service to your community.
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It's a way of life.
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It's not necessarily, and it's funny because sometimes I try
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to take that title out because I know that it
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can confuse people. I like to think of it as
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it's just a way for me to honor the commitment
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that I made to magic, that I made to myself,
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that I made to my community, that I made in
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the initiation itself. I made a commitment to the path
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I'm going to walk. as an awakened human, as a
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magical being, as a leader, as a person whose values
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matter deeply. And when you initiate in the lineage that
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I initiated in, that I teach in, we create these
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very powerful values-based commitments as our I am statement. And
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my original I am statement from more than 10 years
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ago now.
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I still speak it regularly.
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And So to me, it's an honor of, or let's
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just say it's a devotional practice to continually growing and
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getting better. At least that's how it feels to me. Now,
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I really stand for sovereignty. And so even though I
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teach it a specific way and people initiate a specific way,
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once they're done, it's then theirs. And so their definition
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of being a high priest or a high priestess is
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theirs to mold to what fits for them. Because I
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do believe that sovereignty is super important, especially when we
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get deep into spiritual practices and magical practices, that you
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have to know what works for you. Even if you're
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walking a path that teaches you something a specific way
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for that specific time, a true spiritual path is one
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that allows you to find a way for it to
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make sense to you and to embody that for you.
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Now, I've heard of the mystery schools of antiquity, and
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we've got quite a few now today. Are these all
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adaptations of the mystery schools of back in history, or
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are they new ideas?
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Good question. I love that question. Nobody's asked me that question.
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That's a good question. I think that you're going to
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find mystery schools that are out there now that are
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going to provide a whole different variety of teachings, but
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they're still very rare. And the reason why, to me,
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focusing on the concept of mystery school to bring the
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teachings forward is to hold reverence for the fact that
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we're teaching a lineage that is very old. It's only
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an oral tradition. You cannot find it on YouTube. You
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cannot read about this tradition in a book. You cannot,
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you can't just go and grab this And not because
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we're trying to gatekeep, but because there is something super
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special about these ancient teachings that come in a variety
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of ways. And mystery school means it's a mystery. You're
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not coming to graduate and get a degree. You're coming
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to explore yourself. And so Moon Temple Mystery School, we
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have two kind of distinct paths. One is much more
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witchcraft driven. One is more, you know, the mysteries of
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knowing how to work with and manipulate energy. And some
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people don't like the word manipulate, but to me, it's
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not bad. We work with energy all the time, but
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you know, if we look at witchcraft as being the
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way of learning how to manipulate energy, and if we
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think of the spiritual path as the way to explore
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more and learn more about yourself, they both have a place,
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but they're kind of different. They're different paths, not good
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or bad or higher or lower.
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Just different. Yet a lot of the teachings are the same.
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Because the foundations of understanding how to work with energy
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and how to work with your own power comes from
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doing the inner work. You know, the witches that know
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how to cast powerful spells are those that know themselves
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because we are the ones that are putting it out
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into the world. So you can't put something out or
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change something in your life or on somebody else's behalf
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if you don't know yourself because you are what's creating it.
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Yeah, I think the mystery school is an interesting topic.
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Anytime I come across somebody else's mystery school, I pop
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in and I like to take classes from other mystery
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schools and see how that's being embodied. And it is
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fascinating and it is still rare. A lot of spiritual
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teachers that I know that play with mystery school teachings,
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they will have whatever business they have and then mystery
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school is just one small little component of it. And
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they'll only have one specific type of teaching in the
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Mystery School. And sometimes it only opens like once every
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couple of years. They'll run like a six-week Mystery School course.
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I do see that quite often. Whereas for me, it
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feels right to house it all under the same umbrella. Okay.
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Well, now you've mentioned witchcraft a few times here. And
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we tend to have a lot of people coming in
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who are new to this whole world. So for those
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who maybe are a little... unsure or curious or just
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don't understand uh what does witchcraft actually mean in a
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general sense and what does it also mean to you
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personally i mean if.
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a thousand different answers right well i would say that
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we all have different definitions depending on the day and
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the time of day so for the time of day
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for me i'm like well i'll go with the same
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definition i said earlier that it is intentionally choosing to
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change circumstances by working and creating energetic shifts. That is
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really the primary way that I think of it. Another
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way to think of it is someone who knows how
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to access external wisdom to create a change in their
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internal state. Another way I would think of it as
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just someone that knows how to create life on their terms.
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Another variation would be someone who understands and knows that
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there's a whole bunch more to this world than what
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meets the eye.
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For me, witchcraft is a practice.
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So I tend to lean on, you know, the idea
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that we utilize our wisdom and knowledge to change circumstances,
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both to our benefit and for others. And some people think, well,
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I don't like that. I don't want to say, well,
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People are doing that all the time anyway. And the
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thing is about witchcraft for a lot of people is
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it isn't regulated. There isn't a common single way to
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practice witchcraft.
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In fact, that's why it's so powerful.
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That's why they tried to shut it down because you
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can't really put witches in a box and say, oh,
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they all practice this tradition. This is the one book
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to follow. This is the one tradition. This is the
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one God. witchcraft really focuses on sovereignty. And like all
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things in the world, because we're humans, there's good and
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bad in all things, but what you classify as good
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and bad is going to be very subjective. So I
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told you that one of the most commonly asked questions
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I used to get was whether or not I carried
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a broom. The second most commonly asked question, and probably
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now is most much more commonly asked, is if I'm
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a good witch or a bad witch. And really people
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ask if I'm a white witch or a black witch,
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and I just say that that's racist, so we don't
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use those terms. And I give people a chance to
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ask me again, and they'll say, okay, well, are you
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good or bad? And my answer is always, well, it
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depends on how you classify good versus bad. And the
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example I give, and I like to give this example
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because this is a real example and it's very practical.
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Would you classify a witch doing work to protect a
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woman whose child is experiencing harm by her father? Would
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you classify that as good or bad? And you guys
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don't have to answer that question, but that's a real
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practical example of a lot of the work that I do.
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And of course, I supported the mother and the child,
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not to create any physical harm to the male, but
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for it to end, you know, for it to end.
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So there would be no future harm to the child. Now,
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a lot of people might say, well, that's not good.
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You know, we should leave it up to the courts
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or we should leave it up to God. And I say, yes,
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and there is a place to balance the scales. There
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is a place, you know, we all can, we all
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watch in the news. We all know that justice isn't
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regularly served with harm done to women and children. So
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specifically in that area, I am passionate about that. But
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good versus bad is very subjective. And that's just one example.
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So one thing that I teach in mystery school is
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how to create your own code of ethics. So you
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are not using your power because the thing is, is
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even when you initiate as a high priestess, you are
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told to, expect that you are now going to be
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held to a higher standard. And I don't mean like
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a karmic standard. I mean, like your own soul's standard,
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you know, like when you, when you know how energy
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works and you have the capacity to manipulate it, you know, you, you,
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this is a different, this is a different, you know,
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there's more on the line. It's one thing to not
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know and give evil, everybody evil eyes when you're driving
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down the road and they're cutting you off. I mean,
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when you don't have power and you do that, okay, well,
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you might have less consequence. But if you know your
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power and you are doing that and you are wishing
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vehicles to crash or things to happen and you have
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already awakened that power, there is going to be a
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bigger consequence to your actions. Not, and again, consequence is
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just cause and effect.
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So I.
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Take it seriously, you know, and I do teach people
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to understand your own code of ethics. So you're making
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decisions based upon your code of ethics, not how pissed
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you might be that something went wrong with a neighbor
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or on the road. And, you know, there's lots of crazy,
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there's lots of crazy in the world right now and
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knowing yourself and what you're willing to do to, you know,
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protect yourself. And one of the best ways for everybody
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that's listening to think of it is If you just
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think of witchcraft as like another tool in your tool belt,
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you know, in your life, similar to, say, knowing self-defense
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or knowing defensive driving or knowing how to be prepared
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in an emergency. If you think of witchcraft as another
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way to take care of yourself, to know yourself, to
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ground yourself, to be the best version that you can be.
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And it comes with a whole series of tools that
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you can use for that. But it's also something you
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can use for protection. or to create or manifest or
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make life better. I think that that's a good way
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to think of it.
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I like that you brought up ethics and I would
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even go even so far as to say morality, because
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everybody wants to think of everything as a black and white,
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and there's way more gray than there is black and white.
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And I think that what you described is very much
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how people should be seeing the world today, not as
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a good or versus evil thing or anything like that,
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but what is moral and what is not, or what is.
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Ethical and what is not.
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One thing that I wanted to ask, because a lot
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of people's opinions of, we'll say quote unquote witchcraft, it
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comes from pop cultures, social.
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Media, stuff like that.
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It's something that I've seen over and over and over
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again on TikTok and other social medias is the marks
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on your hand, like the two M or the M
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on your hand, I've got two M's on my hand,
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means that you're a very powerful witch or you're a
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very powerful energy worker or this mark or that mark.
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Is there anything that would signify that you are a
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powerful energy worker or a powerful witch?
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Or is that just.
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Kind of all folklore and superstition?
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You know, I can't really say. I don't know. I
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don't know anything about that.
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I don't know anything about palm reading or, you know,
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things that are of that nature.
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I can't say for sure.
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I would say that there are way better signs to
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tell if you have power. And it has nothing to
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do with your lineage or, you know, what your practice was.
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You know, I grew up with hippie parents. I mean,
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that might explain a lot about me, but.
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But I also, it's interesting, Eric. I also, I was
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thinking of you when you were talking about religion.
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You know, I, when I was super young, like young, young,
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like younger than teenage years, because my parents were hippies,
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you know, I was, I wasn't exposed to anything religious
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at all. I mean, there was, there was nothing against religion,
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but there was no support of it. I would walk
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and across my little town and go into church by myself, young,
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like young.
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And I loved it.
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I wouldn't let them put me in Sunday school. I'm
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sure they thought, you know, who are these crazy hippie
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parents kid who just walks in here in my Wrangler
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jeans and cowboy boots and sat in the back of
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the church. I wouldn't go to Sunday school because I
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wanted to sit up there where the man was talking
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because I felt it. And I would just sit in
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the back of the church and cry the whole time,
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00:25:52.730 --> 00:25:56.680
not sadness. I just felt it. I could feel that
488
00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:00.220
energetic flow of divinity. I mean, what I now know
489
00:26:00.299 --> 00:26:05.569
is divinity, um, And so I really think that it's
490
00:26:06.509 --> 00:26:10.819
an interesting facet to contemplate what is possible in our
491
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.039
fields when we are completely open all the time. Completely
492
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.680
open all the time. And I've forgotten your question now,
493
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:17.180
so go back.
494
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.240
Ask me again, Justin.
495
00:26:18.460 --> 00:26:20.349
Oh, just the marks that people see.
496
00:26:20.380 --> 00:26:22.019
Oh, the marks, yes. So power.
497
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.099
So to think about power and how to know you
498
00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:25.420
have it.
499
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.339
It's not lineage.
500
00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:32.779
It's not anything about your physicality. It's about your ability
501
00:26:32.859 --> 00:26:36.079
to embody it. And the thing is, is gnosis comes
502
00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:38.559
because you've experienced something. And it's the same thing with
503
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:41.299
psychic gifts. Like once you know how they work, and
504
00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:43.700
I tell people all the time, you can't convince me otherwise,
505
00:26:44.140 --> 00:26:45.660
because I felt it.
506
00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:46.829
I know it.
507
00:26:46.900 --> 00:26:52.089
And it's not brain feeling, it's body feeling. And how
508
00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:54.569
to identify that your power works? Well, first of all,
509
00:26:54.589 --> 00:26:57.950
in witchcraft, your spells work. So you know, because good
510
00:26:57.990 --> 00:27:03.349
spells in most cases have measurable outcomes. So if you're
511
00:27:03.369 --> 00:27:05.109
going to dabble or if you're going to play and
512
00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:08.049
you're going to learn, start simple, track it. Start simple,51300:27:08.210 --> 00:27:10.970
track it. You'll know pretty quick what you're doing. And51400:27:11.009 --> 00:27:14.329
then I always suggest that people play. Play with it51500:27:14.430 --> 00:27:17.009
in good, positive ways, benefiting you and your family and51600:27:17.029 --> 00:27:20.180
your community. Do positive things and you will be so51700:27:20.200 --> 00:27:23.460
surprised at what you're capable of. And primarily because we51800:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.519
are so conditioned to believe that the power is outside51900:27:26.539 --> 00:27:28.920
of us, that once you start to feel your own52000:27:28.980 --> 00:27:32.559
creative energy and we are co-creating, So it doesn't mean52100:27:32.619 --> 00:27:36.490
that you're going to have a life free of difficulties,52200:27:36.569 --> 00:27:38.630
but you're going to have different tools to navigate them.52300:27:38.650 --> 00:27:41.049
Yeah.52400:27:41.069 --> 00:27:42.410
I want to get into the book soon here a52500:27:42.529 --> 00:27:45.089
little bit, but I kind of want to piggyback off52600:27:45.130 --> 00:27:48.130
of that and just ask, you talk about dabbling in52700:27:48.150 --> 00:27:51.680
good ways, you know, being, I would imagine there's a52800:27:51.700 --> 00:27:54.839
certain sense of being careful when you're dabbling as well,52900:27:54.859 --> 00:27:57.859
because is there a bad way to dabble or a53000:27:57.940 --> 00:28:00.400
negative way to dabble, especially when you're first starting out53100:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.390
that could be like, Yeah, I don't know. It could53200:28:03.430 --> 00:28:06.269
cause some problems or mistakes. Yeah, I mean, good probably53300:28:06.289 --> 00:28:08.980
wasn't the right word, so I take it back. I53400:28:09.019 --> 00:28:12.039
take it back. It's late. I think when you say good,53500:28:12.819 --> 00:28:14.059
but yes, also kind of.53600:28:15.900 --> 00:28:19.400
I don't suggest people go out and start practicing hexing53700:28:19.619 --> 00:28:23.089
or doing any baneful magic until you know yourself very53800:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.009
well in your own energy field, or even just opening53900:28:26.029 --> 00:28:29.650
the door to spirit communication without having good energy hygiene,54000:28:29.690 --> 00:28:32.799
because you could be opening yourself up to things to attach,54100:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.180
or if you're hexing without clarity on how to move54200:28:36.220 --> 00:28:39.259
and navigate your own anger beforehand, you know, you're probably54300:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.480
just going to have skewed results and it won't necessarily54400:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.380
benefit you. You know, I could go deeper into this,54500:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.049
but unless, unless we're talking about advanced practices, I don't,54600:28:49.750 --> 00:28:51.869
you know, you're not, you're not really going to mess54700:28:51.890 --> 00:28:54.150
it up. You're just not going to have results. So54800:28:54.210 --> 00:28:57.829
by good, I mean, like play with some candle magic,54900:28:58.380 --> 00:29:01.019
with something that you're not putting all the stakes of55000:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.319
your entire life in, you know, do it, do a55100:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.839
simple spell for something around your health, do a simple55200:29:05.880 --> 00:29:10.480
spell for something around your home or something to improve55300:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.680
in a relationship or with your job or a tangible55400:29:13.720 --> 00:29:17.480
thing to be manifested or to create better boundaries in55500:29:17.500 --> 00:29:17.819
your life.55600:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.539
Like, like put spell work in place.55700:29:19.579 --> 00:29:22.680
That's going to make your life better regardless if you55800:29:22.700 --> 00:29:27.029
get it perfectly or not. And, And then see what comes.55900:29:27.190 --> 00:29:29.769
And you can play with it. And by play, I mean,56000:29:30.099 --> 00:29:32.339
just don't put all the eggs in the basket. Because56100:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.619
if you let yourself down the first time you start56200:29:35.099 --> 00:29:38.470
really playing with your own power, you're probably not going56300:29:38.529 --> 00:29:41.400
to continue. And it's my goal for people to know56400:29:41.420 --> 00:29:44.000
that they have so much more choice and they have56500:29:44.059 --> 00:29:46.240
so much more power than they think possible. So I56600:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.069
don't want to see people steer themselves away from what56700:29:50.089 --> 00:29:52.470
they can actually change in their lives.56800:29:55.059 --> 00:29:57.319
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All right, folks, welcome back to Paratroop Reborn. And we've58100:30:53.369 --> 00:30:58.309
been talking to Taverly England about her book, Sacred Magic58200:30:58.549 --> 00:31:03.569
of the North. Now, Taverly, you mentioned that this is58300:31:03.609 --> 00:31:07.200
a complete series, North, South, East, and West. So I'm58400:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.420
fascinated that you've got an entire series coming out, first58500:31:11.460 --> 00:31:19.519
and foremost. Secondly, you talk a lot about how people...58600:31:19.829 --> 00:31:25.230
can safely do this. But for somebody who wants to start,58700:31:25.509 --> 00:31:29.210
what is a good place to start?58800:31:29.970 --> 00:31:30.890
My books, of course.58900:31:32.329 --> 00:31:34.690
I would hope that's what people say, but they actually,59000:31:34.990 --> 00:31:37.829
you're the first that has actually said that.59100:31:38.789 --> 00:31:41.109
Well, I mean, I knew we talked a little bit59200:31:41.150 --> 00:31:44.069
about the things that could go wrong, but I want59300:31:44.089 --> 00:31:46.450
to kind of steer people away from even worrying about59400:31:46.490 --> 00:31:50.140
that because I feel like the fundamental practices are that59500:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.599
really make change in people's lives are the way that59600:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.480
I wrote these books. And I'll tell you why I59700:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.400
wrote them the way that I did. It's because we59800:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.079
tend to, when you start in your spiritual path or59900:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.809
in a witchcraft practice, you learn about the elements. Like60000:32:04.900 --> 00:32:08.450
most traditions have the elements in some way, shape or form.60100:32:09.269 --> 00:32:11.650
And the elements are so much more than just the60200:32:11.690 --> 00:32:14.029
North being the element of earth and the East being60300:32:14.049 --> 00:32:15.970
the element of air and the South being the element60400:32:16.009 --> 00:32:17.309
of fire and the West being.60500:32:17.130 --> 00:32:17.950
The element of water.60600:32:19.049 --> 00:32:22.470
Because there are emotional levels of the elements, there are60700:32:22.619 --> 00:32:25.980
physical level of the elements, and there are spiritual level60800:32:26.019 --> 00:32:26.640
of the elements.60900:32:27.440 --> 00:32:32.559
So when you see the North as this big encompassing.61000:32:33.259 --> 00:32:36.619
Quadrant of the wheel of your life, and the North61100:32:36.700 --> 00:32:40.160
represents your body, it's the all things physical. And it's61200:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.460
not just the element of Earth that's physical, it's our physicality.61300:32:44.309 --> 00:32:46.650
So when we go deep into that, we can apply61400:32:46.670 --> 00:32:52.009
how does our physicality apply to our dreams, to magic,61500:32:52.089 --> 00:32:56.210
to journeying across the veil, to our psychic gifts, to what.61600:32:56.170 --> 00:32:57.190
Tools to use.61700:32:57.910 --> 00:32:59.420
And then we can move to the East, and the61800:32:59.500 --> 00:33:02.940
East is our beliefs. It's not just the element of air.61900:33:02.980 --> 00:33:04.039
It's the mental plane.62000:33:04.079 --> 00:33:04.759
It's our beliefs.62100:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.839
And there's a physical representation of the East, but there's62200:33:09.019 --> 00:33:13.450
such an intangible representation part of the East, which is62300:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.069
this system of beliefs that we carry. And I, I,62400:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.240
you know, the East, the East came out, I think62500:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.000
it's was the last in the last month or two.62600:33:23.079 --> 00:33:24.740
I can't, I feel like I've lost track of time62700:33:24.869 --> 00:33:29.349
at this point in 2026. But I find a lot62800:33:29.369 --> 00:33:33.250
of people don't realize how much their beliefs are driving62900:33:33.269 --> 00:33:36.259
their magic or their spiritual practice anyway. So even if63000:33:36.299 --> 00:33:38.539
you never cast a spell, and even if you never63100:33:38.619 --> 00:33:41.349
do a ritual to change your life, but you focus63200:33:41.410 --> 00:33:44.190
on meditation and making your life better, what's happening in63300:33:44.230 --> 00:33:47.029
your belief system is your subconscious and it's driving the63400:33:47.049 --> 00:33:52.000
ship anyway. So to me, the East being this fundamental place,63500:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.799
the North being the physical place that we start with63600:33:54.839 --> 00:33:56.460
in our body. And then we go into the South,63700:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.319
which is the element of fire.63800:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.259
And it's our passion. It's our will.63900:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.960
It's literally our spirit that's sitting deep in the center64000:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.619
of our belly. That's like a cauldron that when you64100:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.570
learn how to stir it, You can awaken so many things.64200:34:08.670 --> 00:34:12.889
It holds both your holy longing and all this sacred64300:34:12.949 --> 00:34:16.239
rage of things that are difficult in the world. And64400:34:16.260 --> 00:34:17.980
then we finish it off in the West, which is64500:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.980
the element of water, and it's our emotions. And all64600:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.599
of it comes together in the West and is expressed64700:34:24.659 --> 00:34:27.900
in the way that we feel. And that's why I64800:34:27.940 --> 00:34:30.440
wrote the books separate, because I couldn't put all of64900:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.980
that in one. And I think the elements themselves and65000:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.960
my practice.65100:34:34.619 --> 00:34:36.579
And the way I teach it, I believe the elements.65200:34:37.369 --> 00:34:39.429
on a, if you think of them like a wheel,65300:34:39.670 --> 00:34:42.789
like a circle in the north holding the earth and65400:34:42.809 --> 00:34:47.309
then beliefs and then passion and then emotions, if we65500:34:47.349 --> 00:34:49.429
think of it that way, I think that is the65600:34:49.489 --> 00:34:51.110
bridge to all that we.65700:34:51.010 --> 00:34:53.789
Desire to create in our lives. It's its own system.65800:34:53.929 --> 00:34:56.750
It becomes this, your whole way of being able to65900:34:56.809 --> 00:34:59.650
work with magic can be found in the wheel of66000:34:59.690 --> 00:35:00.190
the elements.66100:35:01.389 --> 00:35:02.250
And so that gives you.66200:35:02.110 --> 00:35:03.989
The answer of how I wrote the books the way66300:35:04.010 --> 00:35:05.239
that I did and where to start.66400:35:05.659 --> 00:35:10.280
Start with your body. Start with your connection to your body. Okay. Yeah.66500:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.079
You know, it's incredible to me how much nature plays66600:35:14.119 --> 00:35:20.690
into really my emotions, but also my physicality. You know,66700:35:20.710 --> 00:35:22.909
it's like when I'm having, I think for a lot66800:35:22.929 --> 00:35:25.469
of people, you have a really down day. For me,66900:35:25.530 --> 00:35:28.250
if I take a walk in the forest, I reconnect67000:35:28.510 --> 00:35:31.309
to the trees and the earth and the grounding aspect67100:35:31.349 --> 00:35:33.829
of it. And I feel so much stronger and more refreshed.67200:35:34.630 --> 00:35:37.010
When I need a break from the constant push and67300:35:37.610 --> 00:35:39.639
shove of things, you know, sometimes I go to the water.67400:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.619
You know, I live in Cleveland, Ohio, so I'm right67500:35:42.659 --> 00:35:44.179
next to Lake Erie. And I'll go to the water67600:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.000
and I'll just sit there and I'll listen to the waves,67700:35:46.500 --> 00:35:51.119
you know, crash under the sand. I guess really it's67800:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.960
Pebble Beach up there. There's not a lot of sand, but,67900:35:53.739 --> 00:35:56.639
you know. He listened to the water breaking on earth,68000:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.480
you know, and it's like, okay, well that's, that's refreshing.68100:35:59.579 --> 00:36:03.699
That's nice, you know? Um, and same with fire. Like68200:36:03.739 --> 00:36:07.739
I very much am a mental person, like a, like mental,68300:36:07.820 --> 00:36:12.079
not mentally crazy. I hear it. So, but I can68400:36:12.119 --> 00:36:12.679
vouch that.68500:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.090
You are very much told you are very helpful is68600:36:16.119 --> 00:36:17.110
the word I'm looking for.68700:36:17.219 --> 00:36:21.170
Elemental. I'm an elemental person. So it's like even with fire,68800:36:21.190 --> 00:36:24.050
I have a bonfire when I need to really recharge.68900:36:24.250 --> 00:36:28.329
And fire is my element in general with my zodiac69000:36:28.349 --> 00:36:31.539
and everything, and I've always been connected to fire. But69100:36:31.659 --> 00:36:36.039
one thing that I notice with your writing is that69200:36:36.619 --> 00:36:39.659
there is this emphasis, as you've already said, about how69300:36:40.039 --> 00:36:47.559
the human body really connects with nature. And if we69400:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.139
lose touch with that, there could be some consequences. But69500:36:52.179 --> 00:36:53.599
on top of that, there are plenty of people who've69600:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.599
never connected to nature, who've never connected to the elements.69700:36:56.619 --> 00:37:00.199
So what do you think happens when we lose touch?69800:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.099
And also, on top of that, what do you think69900:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.460
can happen for people, for those listening, who maybe have70000:37:06.500 --> 00:37:08.639
never been in touch? What can they expect?70100:37:09.440 --> 00:37:09.699
Yeah.70200:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.780
And it is a tough question, especially for the demographics70300:37:14.820 --> 00:37:17.469
that I work with, which is a large percentage of women.70400:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.719
And we have very valid reasons why we have disconnected70500:37:21.780 --> 00:37:25.380
from our bodies. And for a lot of women, it70600:37:25.619 --> 00:37:28.250
hasn't been safe. There's been harm done to their bodies.70700:37:28.309 --> 00:37:32.269
And so bringing people back home, connecting to your body70800:37:32.309 --> 00:37:35.710
is coming home. And for a lot of people in70900:37:35.750 --> 00:37:39.289
their spiritual practice, they like to be in the cosmos71000:37:39.309 --> 00:37:43.170
or in the astral plane or connected to something outside71100:37:43.210 --> 00:37:43.530
of them.71200:37:44.340 --> 00:37:46.699
But at some point, we go around that cycle and71300:37:46.739 --> 00:37:47.300
we realize.71400:37:48.309 --> 00:37:51.630
Some of the most spiritually profound experiences we will have71500:37:51.650 --> 00:37:55.340
is when we are still connected and inside our bodies.71600:37:56.059 --> 00:37:57.739
I mean, I believe this is what we're here for.71700:37:57.760 --> 00:37:58.260
And I.71800:37:59.800 --> 00:38:05.780
Can't imagine not connecting to nature. It is medicine. Not71900:38:05.820 --> 00:38:07.960
to mention that, but if you go talk to a tree,72000:38:08.059 --> 00:38:09.860
you tell a tree about a problem in your life,72100:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.260
you will be surprised. If you go and sit with72200:38:12.300 --> 00:38:16.239
a tree, the same tree, on a regular basis, and72300:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.099
you tell the tree the problems that you're having in72400:38:18.139 --> 00:38:20.480
your life, you will be so surprised at how much72500:38:21.139 --> 00:38:23.659
lightness you start to feel around the issue. Not that72600:38:23.699 --> 00:38:27.440
it's going to be some miracle solved, but the energy72700:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.079
of the tree knows how to neutralize what you're feeling.72800:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.840
You know, trees know how to neutralize a human's energy.72900:38:34.340 --> 00:38:37.269
And we are part of nature. We haven't always lived73000:38:37.309 --> 00:38:38.170
in the structures we.73100:38:38.090 --> 00:38:39.690
Live in now. We were a part of nature before.73200:38:40.500 --> 00:38:42.820
And I think that what we see in a lot73300:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.980
of health issues and a lot of depression issues happen73400:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.500
because we spend more time on our technology than we73500:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.820
do in this natural medicine that's all around us. And73600:38:50.860 --> 00:38:53.190
even if you live in a city, you can find it.73700:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.460
It's still, you know, this planet is alive. So finding73800:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.550
that aliveness is, you know, and you'll find a lot73900:39:01.570 --> 00:39:05.650
of witches, a lot of practitioners of all kinds don't74000:39:05.889 --> 00:39:07.869
skip that step in their practice.74100:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.460
Being in nature of any kind.74200:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.860
I read something recently that said, you know, we call74300:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.449
her the great mother, you know, the planet, the great mama,74400:39:19.570 --> 00:39:22.849
great mama earth. I read something recently that says the74500:39:22.909 --> 00:39:25.889
great mother tells you where she wants to connect with you.74600:39:26.929 --> 00:39:29.090
And so when you say going to sit next to74700:39:29.130 --> 00:39:32.219
Lake Erie, it's because the great mother says, come child,74800:39:32.659 --> 00:39:35.480
like come, come home. You're home inside of you and74900:39:35.579 --> 00:39:38.199
I'm your home. So come and connect with me. When75000:39:38.219 --> 00:39:40.920
you sit under a tree enough times, you start to75100:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.219
feel like, oh, like the energy of the tree is75200:39:43.260 --> 00:39:44.079
like hugging me.75300:39:44.239 --> 00:39:44.480
Yes.75400:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.840
It's the great mother saying you belong here. Like you75500:39:47.900 --> 00:39:50.360
are a part of this and you You're only going75600:39:50.389 --> 00:39:52.050
to experience that when you're in a body. Because when75700:39:52.090 --> 00:39:54.469
you're back to being a spirit again, all you're going75800:39:54.489 --> 00:39:56.190
to want is to be back in a body. Because75900:39:56.750 --> 00:39:58.550
when you're in a body, you get to have orgasms.76000:39:58.570 --> 00:40:01.530
You get to have chocolate. You get to have all76100:40:01.570 --> 00:40:05.329
these experiences. When you're a spirit, you're not experiencing it76200:40:05.389 --> 00:40:07.719
like that. You need a human body to have the76300:40:07.780 --> 00:40:11.980
full range of those experiences. And this planet just reminds76400:40:12.019 --> 00:40:12.539
you of that.76500:40:13.280 --> 00:40:13.420
Hmm.76600:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.079
So something you mentioned earlier and you bring it up76700:40:19.119 --> 00:40:24.659
in the book as well is altars. First off, do76800:40:24.699 --> 00:40:30.130
you need an altar to practice witchcraft? Secondly, what makes76900:40:30.170 --> 00:40:34.110
an altar sacred and what should you have in your77000:40:34.230 --> 00:40:37.670
altar to give you the most.77100:40:37.610 --> 00:40:37.940
Out of it?77200:40:39.969 --> 00:40:42.840
Two good perspectives. I'm going to contradict myself.77300:40:42.949 --> 00:40:45.159
The first thing I'm going to say is, no, you77400:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.139
do not need an altar because the most important altar77500:40:48.179 --> 00:40:51.179
that you have is your body. So if you start77600:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.920
by treating your body as the most sacred of sacred,77700:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.460
it doesn't matter what it looks like. It doesn't matter77800:40:55.500 --> 00:40:58.320
how old it is. It doesn't matter what shape it is.77900:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.920
But if you treat this physical representation of your soul78000:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.539
as the primary altar, that's the place to start. That's78100:41:05.579 --> 00:41:07.039
going to be one side of me. The other side78200:41:07.059 --> 00:41:10.199
of me is going to say that an altar is78300:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.530
a place where you devote time to yourself and to78400:41:14.590 --> 00:41:20.510
whatever practice it is that you have. You can probably see,78500:41:20.690 --> 00:41:22.170
if you see my screen, you can see I have78600:41:22.230 --> 00:41:24.599
a couple of different altars here and I lost a78700:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.300
candle there, but I wanted to light them up for you.78800:41:28.239 --> 00:41:33.409
It's just a place for you to express devotion. Now,78900:41:33.469 --> 00:41:36.429
that devotion could be to a particular spell or working79000:41:36.469 --> 00:41:38.389
that you have on the go. It could be to79100:41:38.409 --> 00:41:41.349
a part of your life that you're improving. It could79200:41:41.389 --> 00:41:43.929
be to your commitment to your family. Because a lot79300:41:43.949 --> 00:41:45.909
of times we have little mini altars in the middle79400:41:45.949 --> 00:41:48.349
of our dining room tables without thinking of it that way.79500:41:49.269 --> 00:41:51.409
When we put our flowers there, when we put something79600:41:51.449 --> 00:41:53.570
special that one of our kids brought home from school,79700:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.099
we put it on display as, oh, this is special.79800:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.940
Let's be able to look at it. That's devotion. Right.79900:42:02.300 --> 00:42:04.900
It can be, so to go from the level of, yes,80000:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.480
our body is the primary altar. And yes, it's a80100:42:07.500 --> 00:42:10.099
place of devotion. And an altar is also a place80200:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.630
where you can go to cast and do your magic.80300:42:12.670 --> 00:42:16.170
So it's contained in a specific area that you have80400:42:16.289 --> 00:42:20.329
energetically charged. Now, what should go on an altar? Well,80500:42:20.369 --> 00:42:23.690
if you think of the cardinal directions and their physical representation,80600:42:23.750 --> 00:42:26.050
that's also a good way to think of it. When you,80700:42:26.250 --> 00:42:29.570
I teach people that where your nose faces is north.80800:42:29.969 --> 00:42:31.889
So when you're standing in front of your altar, that80900:42:31.949 --> 00:42:34.710
is the north, regardless of where that altar sits in81000:42:34.750 --> 00:42:37.530
your house. Even if it's sitting to the west of81100:42:37.590 --> 00:42:39.550
your home, when you're standing in front of the altar,81200:42:39.710 --> 00:42:41.929
your altar is the north. So you can put physical81300:42:41.989 --> 00:42:45.550
representations of earth, air, fire, and water. You can put81400:42:45.590 --> 00:42:47.829
your prayers. You can put your blessings. You can put81500:42:47.889 --> 00:42:52.530
your protection spells. And you can add things in. I mean,81600:42:53.230 --> 00:42:56.349
I really think of altars, they should be living, breathing,81700:42:56.369 --> 00:42:57.730
alive places.81800:42:58.409 --> 00:42:58.949
So once you.81900:42:59.650 --> 00:43:01.170
create an altar, it's not a place for you to82000:43:01.309 --> 00:43:04.250
set mementos. And maybe that's where a lot of people82100:43:04.289 --> 00:43:08.329
get confused. You know, ancestral altars, as an example, is82200:43:08.369 --> 00:43:11.909
something we do this time of year while the veil82300:43:11.969 --> 00:43:16.000
is thin during the month of October and November. But82400:43:16.059 --> 00:43:17.900
it's not meant to be left there. I mean, maybe82500:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.179
you want to display the pictures of your great grandparents82600:43:20.260 --> 00:43:21.840
and you leave it on a mantle or you leave82700:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.760
it on a bedside table or your parents, but that82800:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.059
doesn't make it an altar just because it holds stuff.82900:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.920
An altar is a feeling of aliveness for what it83000:43:32.059 --> 00:43:34.500
is that's important to you, that you're devoting your time83100:43:34.539 --> 00:43:37.139
and attention to in the moment. And so this one83200:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.170
right here is for a new book that I have83300:43:40.210 --> 00:43:42.489
coming out next year that's not part of the series,83400:43:42.530 --> 00:43:46.829
but it's called 13 Keys to Becoming Dangerous. So you'll notice, well,83500:43:46.849 --> 00:43:48.510
you probably can't see it very well, but the whole83600:43:48.650 --> 00:43:51.539
altar is red, which is the cover of the book.83700:43:52.659 --> 00:43:54.920
All the materials on the altar is red. And I'm83800:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.920
starting to weave together the movement that I know this83900:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.380
book is going to create, because it's about sovereignty. It's84000:44:01.420 --> 00:44:05.519
a manifesto for sovereignty. So I built the altar to84100:44:05.579 --> 00:44:10.019
remind myself of, you know, the meaning it has to84200:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.760
me and the meaning that I want it to have84300:44:11.780 --> 00:44:16.519
in the world. That's a big altar option. That's a84400:44:16.780 --> 00:44:18.300
spectrum of altar options.84500:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.889
Well, you know, what I find awesome, really fascinating and84600:44:22.909 --> 00:44:25.369
I do this myself not on purpose but it's you84700:44:25.389 --> 00:44:26.630
know I think a lot of people most people don't84800:44:26.650 --> 00:44:28.510
do this on purpose but you know you look at84900:44:28.530 --> 00:44:30.690
your phone and people have all these little things on85000:44:30.710 --> 00:44:32.989
their phone or on their TV that are very important85100:44:33.030 --> 00:44:35.880
to them and they don't realize that that itself is85200:44:35.909 --> 00:44:37.079
a little alter.85300:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.440
Interesting and it's like okay well I need to pick85400:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.940
me up let's go to Instagram boom pick me up85500:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.179
let me be filled with those things you know like85600:44:47.199 --> 00:44:51.250
technology has become kind of in a weird way, a85700:44:51.309 --> 00:44:54.500
God of its own, despite people even realizing it.85800:44:55.019 --> 00:44:57.599
At least that's what I've come to experience in myself.85900:44:58.059 --> 00:45:00.099
There's little things I notice where I'm like, you know what,86000:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.800
this is uplifting, but also it's draining. But yet I86100:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.469
have all these things that I reference and I refer86200:45:06.530 --> 00:45:08.730
to on a daily basis and I put my time86300:45:08.769 --> 00:45:13.429
and energy into with this little device that goes everywhere86400:45:13.449 --> 00:45:17.730
with me. This is true. This is true. A true86500:45:17.929 --> 00:45:22.070
author is something that should be, in my opinion, should86600:45:22.090 --> 00:45:27.989
disconnect you from technology, from the things that distract us.86700:45:28.570 --> 00:45:30.530
It should be a place where we can focus our86800:45:30.550 --> 00:45:35.320
mind and energy into the spiritual and the physical and understanding. See,86900:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.079
I didn't need to answer that. You should have answered87000:45:37.099 --> 00:45:41.219
it for me. You did it in a lot less words.87100:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.949
You were much more succinct. That was much better. Oh,87200:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.050
with what? I also love like what you're talking.87300:45:47.130 --> 00:45:48.860
So about, well, yeah.87400:45:50.079 --> 00:45:50.239
Yeah.87500:45:50.260 --> 00:45:51.880
That was just something that just, you know, it's not87600:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.289
something I think about regularly, but it came to my mind. And, and,87700:45:54.619 --> 00:45:56.739
but I think that's part of like why it's important87800:45:56.760 --> 00:46:00.159
to have conversations too, with like-minded people or people from87900:46:00.179 --> 00:46:03.070
different backgrounds. Cause you know, you bounce these thoughts or88000:46:03.090 --> 00:46:04.590
you share these thoughts and it's like, Oh, wait a minute.88100:46:04.610 --> 00:46:07.289
Something just bounced and like ignited this thought and vice versa.88200:46:07.349 --> 00:46:09.329
And it's like, that's how I think that that's one88300:46:09.369 --> 00:46:12.369
of the things I love about podcasting for me and Justin. Um,88400:46:12.900 --> 00:46:15.619
It's like we get to learn so much from so88500:46:15.739 --> 00:46:19.519
many people from different walks of life. And it's just, it's, it's,88600:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.699
it helps me personally grow. You know, I look back88700:46:22.739 --> 00:46:24.579
on a lot of the conversations we have with, man,88800:46:24.619 --> 00:46:27.320
I remember when we talked about this with this person88900:46:27.449 --> 00:46:30.250
or that person said this, it's like I adapt and I,89000:46:30.590 --> 00:46:32.769
you know, start to absorb those things and use them89100:46:32.789 --> 00:46:35.190
in my daily life. Or if nothing else, then it'll89200:46:35.210 --> 00:46:37.250
be like, oh, maybe that's not quite for me. You know,89300:46:38.250 --> 00:46:42.280
it's coming to learn and understand that. Like you said, yourself,89400:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.659
come to learn to understand yourself because there are so89500:46:44.699 --> 00:46:45.340
many ideas.89600:46:45.920 --> 00:46:46.960
And we learn too, right?89700:46:47.019 --> 00:46:49.340
As your guest, we learn too. I got to learn89800:46:49.400 --> 00:46:50.840
from you and your experience.89900:46:50.900 --> 00:46:54.840
And I think that the learning, I consider myself to90000:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.579
be a student forever because on the spiritual path, the90100:46:57.619 --> 00:46:59.199
more I know, the more I realize we don't know.90200:47:00.199 --> 00:47:00.579
Truly.90300:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.519
So I think it's always a mutual learning, which is90400:47:03.579 --> 00:47:04.739
why I enjoy this too.90500:47:05.530 --> 00:47:08.429
And you have to be. I mean, if you're not90600:47:08.670 --> 00:47:11.909
constantly learning, then you're missing the whole point of the90700:47:11.949 --> 00:47:12.690
human experience.90800:47:14.090 --> 00:47:16.909
And can't you look back like 10 years ago, like90900:47:16.929 --> 00:47:18.789
just take yourself 10 years ago from now, what are91000:47:18.849 --> 00:47:21.630
we in 2026? So think of 2016, how much have91100:47:21.650 --> 00:47:25.150
we learned in 10 years? Like, oh my gosh, we're91200:47:25.170 --> 00:47:28.050
a totally different human, like a completely different human.91300:47:28.090 --> 00:47:30.530
Just think about how crazy that is. And I process,91400:47:31.050 --> 00:47:32.309
and that's how I think of magic.91500:47:32.349 --> 00:47:34.610
Well, okay, well, I might not know everything I want91600:47:34.650 --> 00:47:36.269
to learn in the next 10 years, but I know91700:47:36.309 --> 00:47:38.489
I want to be the best version I can be91800:47:39.010 --> 00:47:41.829
And I'm definitely going to use my tools, right? My tools,91900:47:41.909 --> 00:47:44.800
my psychic gifts. I'm going to use everything I have92000:47:45.340 --> 00:47:48.739
to expand my experience. So 10 years from now, I92100:47:48.780 --> 00:47:50.860
can look back and say the same thing. Like, oh92200:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.199
my goodness, I never became stagnant. I certainly do not92300:47:54.219 --> 00:47:56.840
want to see myself sitting on my phone for the.92400:47:57.199 --> 00:47:58.639
Majority of the next 10 years.92500:47:59.590 --> 00:48:02.090
I always tell people magic does not happen when you're92600:48:02.110 --> 00:48:06.929
on your phone. Miracles don't come when you're scrolling Instagram. Right, right. Yeah.92700:48:09.059 --> 00:48:11.400
One of the things that I think a lot of92800:48:11.420 --> 00:48:15.139
people get kind of confused about or maybe they're just92900:48:15.500 --> 00:48:21.139
unsure of is this idea of presenting offerings to your guests.93000:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.420
And that is something that Justin and I have constantly93100:48:24.460 --> 00:48:29.219
talked about and discussed and, you know, just bickered about.93200:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.639
What is your thought?93300:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.039
Well, first I have to know what you bicker about.93400:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.860
What are your stances on it? Tell me that part first.93500:48:38.739 --> 00:48:42.460
Well, he and I have, I mean, over the years93600:48:42.500 --> 00:48:45.659
and years that we've been doing this, like especially when93700:48:45.699 --> 00:48:51.219
he came back to his faith about, you know, different symbolisms.93800:48:51.820 --> 00:48:54.940
For example, prime example, the cross is a huge part93900:48:54.980 --> 00:48:57.949
of Christianity. But there are those that say that the94000:48:57.989 --> 00:49:02.130
cross is a huge part of Christianity. And there are94100:49:02.170 --> 00:49:04.429
those that say that that's just a symbol that has94200:49:04.469 --> 00:49:07.969
nothing to do with Christianity itself. And then there are94300:49:07.989 --> 00:49:11.190
those that say, well, that's, you know, in that same regard,94400:49:11.289 --> 00:49:17.889
that's witchcraft because you're, you're worshiping a, an altar or a,94500:49:18.219 --> 00:49:21.820
idol and he and I have talked back and forth94600:49:21.860 --> 00:49:25.360
about that type of stuff but or what should be94700:49:25.489 --> 00:49:30.590
on an altar not necessarily bickered but had a philosophical94800:49:30.670 --> 00:49:31.829
conversation about it.94900:49:33.489 --> 00:49:36.329
I mean a cross is also a representation of how95000:49:36.369 --> 00:49:39.489
a man died Like that's, that is kind of witchcraft too.95100:49:39.510 --> 00:49:41.230
Like if you're going to carry a cross around, you're95200:49:41.250 --> 00:49:43.590
representing a dead person. So.95300:49:43.610 --> 00:49:47.170
Right. No, a hundred percent. And here's the other thing too,95400:49:47.190 --> 00:49:50.530
is like, cause you know, really big, what's really big in, um,95500:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.079
media and in movies, uh, Satanism even, uh, is the95600:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.059
idea of the upside down cross, the inverted cross. And95700:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.920
everyone looks at the exorcist says, Oh, inverted cross and devil,95800:50:01.500 --> 00:50:04.800
but what they don't realize throughout through history is that St. Peter, uh,95900:50:05.969 --> 00:50:09.070
chose to be crucified upside down as an act of96000:50:09.110 --> 00:50:12.130
humility because he didn't believe to be crucified the same96100:50:12.150 --> 00:50:16.880
as his Savior. And people don't recognize the humility there.96200:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.219
There's just such a big, like, I see it that way. Oh,96300:50:20.239 --> 00:50:24.900
that's humility. Whereas so many other Christians, like, evil, evil, evil, evil, evil.96400:50:25.480 --> 00:50:27.440
And not just Christians, just people in general see it96500:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.030
as evil because he speaks so loud.96600:50:30.710 --> 00:50:33.530
You know, if we go back to ancient texts before96700:50:34.289 --> 00:50:38.280
Jesus walked this planet, All symbols have been used before.96800:50:39.409 --> 00:50:45.230
And even if they've been brought into religion after the invention,96900:50:45.250 --> 00:50:48.590
humans have been here long before Jesus walked on this planet. So,97000:50:48.630 --> 00:50:54.210
I mean, symbology can be found, all symbology, in tablets,97100:50:54.409 --> 00:50:57.210
in a lot of ancient texts. I mean, these things exist.97200:50:57.230 --> 00:51:01.710
So I think there's many meanings involved. So back to97300:51:01.750 --> 00:51:05.289
your first question, offerings. So, okay, offerings as a whole.97400:51:05.829 --> 00:51:07.269
I'm glad that I asked that question.97500:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.880
Well, I think I do a lot of offerings. I97600:51:10.900 --> 00:51:12.380
do a lot, a lot, a lot of offerings.97700:51:12.579 --> 00:51:14.659
And one of the reasons why is because I work97800:51:14.699 --> 00:51:18.000
a lot with land spirits. You know, those that, and97900:51:18.019 --> 00:51:20.110
there are many different types of land spirits. You know,98000:51:20.250 --> 00:51:24.010
elemental spirits themselves are land spirits. And all the humans98100:51:24.050 --> 00:51:25.869
that have lived on the lands that we all live98200:51:26.010 --> 00:51:28.699
on that many have probably been buried on. I mean,98300:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.420
we're talking a long time, you know, millions of years98400:51:31.820 --> 00:51:36.820
of bodies that are underneath us. And there are spirits98500:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.639
that hover close to the lands. And there are a98600:51:39.659 --> 00:51:42.320
lot of indigenous spirits as well, especially for those of98700:51:42.420 --> 00:51:44.719
us in, you know, in the U.S. because we live98800:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.949
on lands that, you know, are occupied. And offerings is98900:51:48.989 --> 00:51:52.349
just a really polite, kind way to say thank you.99000:51:53.260 --> 00:51:57.760
both to nature, to the elementals, to the land spirits,99100:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.679
to your spirit guides, to deities that you work with.99200:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.780
And there are many different ways to do offerings, but99300:52:03.960 --> 00:52:08.710
offerings requires you to acknowledge that there's a presence beyond yourself.99400:52:10.460 --> 00:52:13.679
And they can be varied. They can be many different things.99500:52:13.989 --> 00:52:16.170
I am a big fan of offerings. I would say99600:52:16.210 --> 00:52:20.409
that my work with spirits amplified by a hundred when99700:52:20.449 --> 00:52:23.070
I first learned the importance of offerings. In fact, I99800:52:23.090 --> 00:52:28.739
made offerings the other day. I created a cranberry compote99900:52:29.139 --> 00:52:33.480
with cinnamon and fall flavors that were kind of fruity100000:52:33.920 --> 00:52:35.820
and put it on a bowl and put it outside100100:52:35.940 --> 00:52:39.699
for the forest fairies that I know live on my property.100200:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.429
And nothing, you know, nothing crazy happened.100300:52:42.510 --> 00:52:45.510
And I didn't have anything manifest in front of me,100400:52:45.570 --> 00:52:47.510
but I felt like it was a beautiful way to100500:52:47.530 --> 00:52:51.010
just say, here's something. They absorb the energy. Here's something100600:52:51.070 --> 00:52:53.949
to say thank you. And it also requires me to100700:52:53.989 --> 00:52:57.409
have presence because I infuse it with me. And I100800:52:57.530 --> 00:53:00.230
take the time to think about the spirits that I'm100900:53:00.269 --> 00:53:02.639
giving the offering to. And I place it gently and101000:53:02.699 --> 00:53:05.099
I care for it. And then 24 hours later.101100:53:05.179 --> 00:53:06.269
I dispose of it.101200:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.480
And It is a really, really, really powerful way to101300:53:09.699 --> 00:53:14.079
improve connection to spirits is by providing offerings. And your101400:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.219
breath is one, you know, your voice, your song, a little.101500:53:18.059 --> 00:53:20.820
Bit of your drinking water and nature. Beautiful.101600:53:21.260 --> 00:53:23.179
Doesn't always have to be a cranberry compote.101700:53:24.929 --> 00:53:28.690
Yeah, I think, you know, it's definitely from my experience,101800:53:28.789 --> 00:53:34.329
it's simply giving a piece of you, your energy, something101900:53:34.429 --> 00:53:36.860
or someone, you know. Yes, you can say thank you102000:53:36.900 --> 00:53:39.099
and leave it at that. But the fact you're taking102100:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.780
the time to work to create something that, you know,102200:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.360
this being literally isn't going to eat or drink or,102300:53:45.420 --> 00:53:48.659
you know, whatever. But you're using that energy to take102400:53:48.739 --> 00:53:54.500
time out of your day to create something for this spirit. Reciprocity.102500:53:54.940 --> 00:53:56.360
The word is reciprocity.102600:53:56.460 --> 00:53:56.679
Yeah.102700:53:56.699 --> 00:53:58.179
Thank you. I appreciate that.102800:53:58.389 --> 00:53:58.800
Yeah.102900:53:59.409 --> 00:54:02.369
Yeah. But yeah, you know, and then that's really important.103000:54:02.389 --> 00:54:04.409
And that's what I think a lot of people, myself included,103100:54:04.429 --> 00:54:08.050
many people, time is over, never really understood, you know.103200:54:08.329 --> 00:54:11.230
Well, you know, and we want humans to practice more103300:54:11.289 --> 00:54:15.090
reciprocity with each other. You know, that's the next evolution103400:54:15.409 --> 00:54:19.269
of being good humans, being good stewards and good neighbors103500:54:19.349 --> 00:54:21.989
is to have practice reciprocity. So, of course, we should103600:54:22.010 --> 00:54:24.949
do the same thing with our spirit team and reciprocity103700:54:24.969 --> 00:54:27.750
in nature. You know, if you're going to go cut,103800:54:27.909 --> 00:54:31.340
you know, five branches down to harvest for an incense blend,103900:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.039
You might want to thank the tree that grew that104000:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.010
for you. It's a beautiful way to connect with nature104100:54:37.030 --> 00:54:39.250
at a deeper level. And it also reminds us not104200:54:39.289 --> 00:54:42.469
to take it for granted, any of it, whatever you're104300:54:42.489 --> 00:54:44.670
giving offerings for, to not take it for granted.104400:54:44.909 --> 00:54:45.869
We overconsume.104500:54:46.030 --> 00:54:49.869
And so when you practice offerings, it also makes you104600:54:49.909 --> 00:54:54.610
stop and think, am I providing equal reciprocity? And if not,104700:54:54.670 --> 00:54:56.260
maybe I better not take so much.104800:54:57.780 --> 00:55:00.079
And I'll tell you, so many times where I take,104900:55:00.550 --> 00:55:02.090
You know, I choose to take a leaf from a105000:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.510
tree or a flower from the ground. I always stop105100:55:04.530 --> 00:55:05.849
to ask if I can take it.105200:55:05.909 --> 00:55:06.170
Yeah.105300:55:06.369 --> 00:55:08.130
The weird response, what I feel.105400:55:08.150 --> 00:55:08.610
Yeah.105500:55:09.329 --> 00:55:11.090
It's one of those things I've never used to do.105600:55:11.210 --> 00:55:14.289
But over the last few years, it's just become natural105700:55:14.329 --> 00:55:15.809
for me. And there are times where I'll be like,105800:55:16.469 --> 00:55:18.230
you're a beautiful flower. Can I take you? And I105900:55:18.269 --> 00:55:21.650
get this feeling of no. Yeah, sometimes I get no, too.106000:55:21.829 --> 00:55:24.650
It's rare, but sometimes I get no, too. And it's106100:55:24.690 --> 00:55:29.389
kind of a surprise. It's like, oh, okay. Fine with you.106200:55:29.409 --> 00:55:29.750
Yeah.106300:55:30.289 --> 00:55:34.610
Enjoy your life. And I think that's one thing that106400:55:34.630 --> 00:55:38.369
a lot of people agree with, especially you're talking to106500:55:38.409 --> 00:55:42.469
hedge witches or people who work in nature regularly, is106600:55:42.550 --> 00:55:47.269
that plants specifically tend to be very giving. Giving and106700:55:47.309 --> 00:55:51.389
forgiving for that matter. Yeah, you know, when I do106800:55:51.429 --> 00:55:55.010
come up to plants, like, no, I'm like, okay. Like,106900:55:55.050 --> 00:55:56.840
I'm not going to question that.107000:55:57.219 --> 00:56:00.139
We could spend a whole night talking about... plants and107100:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.909
their interaction with humans. It's so fascinating. To just go107200:56:03.949 --> 00:56:06.030
on a little side topic here, there's two things I think,107300:56:06.309 --> 00:56:09.369
do we have a few moments to continue? I found107400:56:09.389 --> 00:56:12.730
a couple of interesting studies recently. One of them is,107500:56:12.750 --> 00:56:15.329
you know, they can study the energy that's being emitted107600:56:15.389 --> 00:56:18.690
by a plant now. And they are now studying plants107700:56:18.750 --> 00:56:20.869
and how they interact with humans. And there's a couple107800:56:20.889 --> 00:56:23.500
of studies out that, you know, when a human is gone,107900:56:23.659 --> 00:56:26.800
a plant, it brings its like energy inward. And when108000:56:26.820 --> 00:56:30.820
the human is like 200 feet away the plant knows108100:56:30.860 --> 00:56:33.440
it even if it's outside it starts to like light108200:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.860
up its energy field and it can be read on108300:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.099
machines now that plants react when the person that regularly108400:56:39.139 --> 00:56:42.119
cares for them is within 200 feet does that not108500:56:42.139 --> 00:56:44.500
just blow your mind and then the second thing is108600:56:45.500 --> 00:56:48.280
you are probably familiar with the studies that Emoto did108700:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.719
with water right where he screamed obscenities to water and108800:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.429
then gave nice words to water and then froze them108900:56:54.469 --> 00:56:56.829
and they could they checked the symbols that came right109000:56:56.849 --> 00:57:00.269
in the pieces oh it's a beautiful study well the109100:57:00.309 --> 00:57:03.300
same thing is now there's being studied with plants when109200:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.940
someone yells and screams obscenities at plants the plant will109300:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.599
die if you have science now behind it i'm like109400:57:09.639 --> 00:57:13.099
yes see we are we are so powerful we are109500:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.889
our energy can create so much change and we are109600:57:15.949 --> 00:57:18.550
so interconnected with nature like it or not.109700:57:19.409 --> 00:57:24.099
Yeah for sure Well, Taverly, we've enjoyed every moment of this,109800:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.989
but it is about that time to say goodbye. So109900:57:27.030 --> 00:57:28.630
I want to give you the chance to tell everybody110000:57:28.670 --> 00:57:31.269
where they can find you, find your work. The mic's110100:57:31.329 --> 00:57:31.750
all yours.110200:57:32.409 --> 00:57:34.190
And thank you, Justin and Eric, for having me.110300:57:34.250 --> 00:57:35.789
This has been delightful.110400:57:36.210 --> 00:57:42.000
And you can find me, my first name is Taverly, T-A-H-V-E-R-L-E-E.110500:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.539
And with a unique name like that, you can pretty110600:57:44.579 --> 00:57:46.780
much type it into any platform and you will find me.110700:57:47.699 --> 00:57:52.030
My author site is Taverly.com. You can go to Moontempleschool.com110800:57:52.050 --> 00:57:55.070
for any witchcraft or spiritual classes. And I hope to110900:57:55.110 --> 00:57:55.730
see everyone there.111000:57:55.750 --> 00:57:57.170
All right.111100:57:57.210 --> 00:57:59.489
Well, Taverly, thank you for being on Paratruth Reborn.111200:58:00.320 --> 00:58:00.780
Thank you.111300:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.559
All right, folks, that is all we got for this week.111400:58:07.420 --> 00:58:09.880
Let us know your thoughts in the comments on our111500:58:09.920 --> 00:58:14.889
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make sure you check that out. Until next week, folks,112000:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.760
where you'll find us same time, same channel. My name112100:58:29.800 --> 00:58:30.280
is Justin.112200:58:30.659 --> 00:58:31.300
And I'm Eric.112300:58:31.780 --> 00:58:32.130
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