Paranormal Chaos: The Bridgeport Poltergeist Case w/William J. Hall

0:03 Welcome, well, well do para Truth? What's up everybody? And welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn. This is a pre recorded show on one oh seven point seven FM, New Orleans and United Public Radio Network. My name is Eric and I'm Justin and today we have with us William J. Hall discussing his book The Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street Now. Bill is the author of the paranormal bestseller Worlds Haunted House, which explores the Bridgeport pulter Geist on Lindley Street, the Bridgeport Poltergeist Photos and Archives book, as well as the Haunted House Diaries and Phantom Messages. Bill has extensive experience as a performing magician and is a seasoned researcher of the unexplained, doving into topics ranging from folklore and urban legends to fortune telling, the Pyramids and other mysterious tales.

1:27 His syndicated column Magic and the Unknown ran for six years in multiple newspapers and has been interviewed and he has been interviewed worldwide and broke Discovery Channel records with his appearance on Devil's Road on the Travel Channel, among other programs. So, without further ado let's bring in Bill Hall. Hi, thank you for having me. Hey, thank you for joining us. It's been a while, Bill, it has. Yeah, yeah, quite a while. Well now, Bill, I know that we've had on the show a few times over the years, but if you can just tell us how you started researching the paranormal again for our new listeners.

2:10 Well, it was always something as a child I researched, and I was more on the UFO and the things sending away for government documents as a kid and things like that, and watching In Search of and those kinds of shows. But with Linley Street it really got me going down the rabbit hole and taking a much more active role because in the old days I was a member of the Psychic Investigation Committee as Society American Magicians, but mainly we just got people faking stuff and so didn't get much, you know, paranormal kind of things that I guess to be expected. But and then with Linley Street, that story just sparked. I saw a Facebook post and then I ended up googling it, and after reading some of the newspaper articles about it, was convinced that maybe there was something there, and that got me going down the rabbit hole, and and and of the paranormal in general too.

3:40 Now, this book is kind of a pair book to the world's most Haunted House, So what made you want to come out with this book to to pair with that. Well, over the years, people have asked me to release some of the transcripts and and they wanted to see the photos, and they wanted to see them in color. So and then it was the fiftieth anniversary, and I said, well, let me see if I could. If I could do it, so I figured it was a fun project to do and happy to say so far people liked it.

4:28 Yeah, And I certainly did find it very interesting being able to see all the various photos and of course the written text of the recordings as well, at least some of the recordings. I found that really fascinating and a lot of fun to kind of delve into. Made it feel a little more real, as if we were actually there investigating it ourselves. So that was really cool, and I do appreciate that for this book in particular. But for those who are not really familiar about the case, can you actually explain what had been happening there? That's really rose this or grew this this interest in the investigation of it.

5:09 Well, this was very widely publicized and had a lot of witnesses to it. So in the newspaper reports there was quotes from police officers, firefighters, reporters, friends, family, onlookers, priests. By the time, this thing really blew open. So there was just so many witnesses involved, and it was such a public display unlike we've really seen in I don't know, one hundred years, maybe the bell which can compare in some ways. But so that, you know, that's really what piqued my interest. That's what you were at, I.

6:00 Think, yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah, that. Really piqued my interest is that it was huge. And of course I grew up in Bridgeport too, so I heard the story on the news when I was ten and asked my dad about it and he said, ah, a bunch of moloney. So so the hoax story, you know, got him to. Well. And at the time there are a lot of people who actually believed it was a hoax, right, and they were even in articles published claiming as such. Well, the the hoax story was released really by the by the police. Basically, they wanted to get the city back and the only way to do that and to keep keep the family safe too. Was to the claim is that folks. Unfortunately the little girl got the you know, the blame for it. But but yeah, I mean because they tried to burn the house down. You have to remember, you know, so things were getting out of hand. They had the block street off. It was a very very public event. So not only was the family dealing with the poltergeist antics inside the house, they had to deal with the the very real human h end of the

7:33 human monster right. Now. I had, actually I had read in your book one thing that really just stuck out to me. There's plenty of things I've stuck out dem but this one in particular. I read that the activity seemed to quiet after the priest had blessed the home, only for the activity to restart again several hours later in a much worse state. Now for me, I can't help but find this an odd coincidence that la up with a Bible passaget in Matthew twel five, which says basically talks about a spirit leaving a house then coming back with seven more wicked spirits that caused greater chaos than the original. And so despite having religious artifactures in the home as the owners did. Were the good Inns a religious family in general, and how did their beleefs relate or impact to the haunting itself and its outcome.

8:29 The good Inns were a religious family. They went to church every week, and Jerry was an overall good guy. He was a Boy Scout leader even though he had no children of his own at the time. So so, yeah, they were a very religious family. A little quirky in the upbringing of Marci, but that's a different issue. As far as the religious items, I mean, they were really you know, if you look at the data, they were really disturbed less and temper about ten percent or less of the time. But I think they're more memorable to people.

9:20 You know, if the cheer floats or cheer flips, that's one thing, But if a cross does it, it tends to impact more, you know, you know, depending on who you are, of course, But and so, I mean, I think that's why it was important for me to look at and separate the data itself, because because you know, we all have biases, and you know, I probably would have thought the same thing. Oh, Jesus seemed to go after religious items or you know, and maybe it knew that that would get the family's goats, so to speak.

10:00 You know, uh, and that and certainly you know that could happen within the scope of everything else. But but to say it went after religious items was was not was not statistically true at all. It was exactly the opposite. You'd say, if anything, it went after chairs and TVs. Now you talked about you know that supposedly the this was proven to be a hoax, then in turn was overturned with that. What type of activity were they saying was being hoaxed? And when you got to that part where you were able to investigate this a little bit, what were your thoughts on the different activity that they had going on there?

10:56 Well, the uh, you know, I had the thirty hours of interviews that were done right at the time, right after it was announced a hoax. The police department was mandated to participate in this investigation and be interviewed by the investigators. And that's what really led me down the rabbit hole was because that actually was mentioned briefly in a newspaper and it mentioned the gentleman's name, Boyce Baby, and I contacted Boyce and he ended up giving me twenty two cassette tapes and a nine hour real real tape from the Bridgeport to police department interviews. So hearing those interviews is really what convinced me that Lindley Street was what was really what happened. You had multiple witnesses that saw the same things happen, and they were each interviewed separately. So it's one of the first times we had this kind of way to collaborate evidence, and that was really really a high point of from an investigator point of view, is to have this kind of Ten people saw it, and maybe one person didn't see it from the beginning, and one person saw it from the beginning,

12:27 didn't see it in the end, and another one saw it from the end. But you know, you put it all together, it's not like one person said it or there's two people who said it. You've got sometimes a room full of people that witnessed it, and things such as you know, Marci being picked up and thrown across the room right now. I mean, speaking of Marcie, there is evidence that suggests the politicist had revolved around her. Is that factual? And why do you think so many huntings seem to evolve around children generally, because I think that's pretty prominent, especially in Poultrguist like activity.

13:10 Yes, you're you're definitely correct and Poultergeist activity. And normally it's a girl of a boy two to one of the cases we know of, of course, but yeah, in a poltergeist case, the focal point in this case, as in a classic poltergeist case, would be Marcy. The little girl had plenty of repressed feelings, being very shy and introverted and picked on in school. She was adopted after the parents, Laura and Jerry, had death of their son at age six, and he was he was sick the whole time basically, so they were smothering her parental wise, and then she got beat up at school and she was stuck at home with the mother she didn't get along with because the smothering and everything. And after about six weeks of that, that's when the poultrygeist activity really exploded.

14:25 Before that, there was things that were going on, but it was very it was milder. Well, there was the knocks on the inside and outsides of the walls. Those started nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy three, and it became really public in November nineteen seventy four. So just to give you an example, so there was some things going on, but not not in the relation of Poultry Guy's activity, like what exploded after that period of trouble with Marci who was just about ten at the time.

15:12 Going to be ten, right, I mean as an investigator thinking back to those early times where there were just like the wrapping on the wall, the not gig were just subtle things, only to have it exploded later, Like, do you have any theories as to whether or not it was once? I mean, obviously Palter Guist could be multiple spirits, but do you have any theories as to whether or not there were more spirits that became involved later on as these incidents with Marcie started, Or do you think these these spirits had always been there and just happened to build up on energy as things progressed in Marcy's life, especially with all the negative outcomes that were happening.

15:54 Well, I think it's as my dear friend recently passed and one of the witnesses of Lilly Street Polino had said, it's like bringing the dinner bell for these things. Personally, I think that the theory is you know, she's sending out these frequencies and somehow it attracts these things and they and they come through, and of course you know how and who they are and that sort of thing. You know, then you get into a bunch of conjecture. But but we don't know if they want to be here even you know, I try to look at it from every angle. You know. It seems like it's a negative relationship though, between you know, the little girl and the and the item. But it did pick her up and throw across the room too, so I mean it I don't now, at least on a conscious level. I don't believe she's involved.

17:09 Right now, if I remember, right, were the Warrens involved in this case? Yes, they were called in. Uh Mary Pascarella who was a member of one of those psychic committees down in New Haven, I forget the name of it. But she was nearby and and called Ed and said, Ed, you got to get down here. There's a really bad poltergeist case. And he said, well, you know, we're pretty busy. Is this like the real deal? I mean, this is you know, what do you mean what's going on? She goes, well, there's you know, police cars and fire engines, you know, and uh, and so he says, whoa okay, you know.

18:02 So so they go and get Father Charboneau and Paulino is on his way there. He was hoping to have dinner because Lorraine was legendarily a very good cook, but instead they all headed over to Linley Street and the good Inns didn't never hear of them, but let him in because no one else was able to help so far, so figured if they could be of help, why not give them a shot. And that that's kind of how they got involved.

18:43 And once they got involved, I mean, did the parent the activity increase even more now that there were people actually they're witnessing things and kind of diving deeper into the subject matter. Well, it's it's it's funny because usually in the in these case is when you have so many people, it usually would die down, you know, if you have a bunch of new people enter, it usually would die down before anything would pick up. But in this case, during that period of intense activity, even even with the new people being introduced, the activity still continued. So that that was an interesting part of it, to show how how heightened it was.

19:39 Right now, originally it was believed that the house was sold. However, after further investigation, that was found to be false. It had the home eventually been sold? And do you know whether or not reports have been submitted regarding a continued haunting with the new owner. I don't know of any. As far as I know, there hasn't been any activity before or after. Uh, as is not uncommon in a poltergeist case. Although I guess you can say, uh, there's something to say about uh, you know, the land itself or whatever. There is an underground spring there. Uh so that's interesting if for nothing else that they say that could have something to do with it. But but who you know? That's the missing ingredient, you know, the six million million dollar question. But I suppose if you get I think, if you got the right family and the right people or the wrong people, I should say, then sure, maybe you can stir up something again, you know, open something up.

20:57 All right. And it's true, it's very interesting that like running water rivers, they tend to generate or supposedly generate energy to empower spirits in some way to help them manifest their abilities of moving things or just manifest themselves in a certain location. So it is very possible. Then I suppose these spirits were already there and just the good Inn's happened to have an energy that provoked them these spirits and allowed them to come forth, whereas when someone else came in they didn't share that same type of energy and kind of helps them do the natural forces that were because if I'm not mistaken, once they did move out of that house, there's no report that the poultry guys followed them.

21:40 Correct, right when they were well, they stayed in the I mean they never left the home, but I mean during the short periods of time where they left the home, No, it didn't follow them. It did something followed, uh, Lorraine and Paul, but nothing followed the good When the Goods were away from the house, is as they sometimes did, they'd spend a night here or there, you know, trying not to imposition people, or they would have Marcie stay over there, and they would stay at the house, you know.

22:26 But the when they were away, there was no reports of activity at their other where they were staying. In other words, mhm. Now, something you mentioned earlier was the fact that the parents were kind of smothering Marcie. Now was that smothering as in there was some type of abuse or just smothering because she was an adopted child. Elder what what did you mean by that? Yeah, there was no evidence of abuse. I actually did ask about that, just to cover all the bases, but uh, no, there was no evidence of abuse. But their their young child that they had, a little boy, Jerry Jr. He had I believe, cerebral palsy and down syndrome and he couldn't walk or talk is normal, and it was sick a lot. You know, they had a brace so they can carry him, okay, and so and then he died with a high fever at age six, and uh, they

23:58 were devastated and they ended up adopting Marcy and they were really smothering as far as a parental You know, she couldn't go anywhere alone. You know, she'd have to be walked to the boss, walked here, walked there, and you're shy and introverted and then you're going to be picked on top of it, and so yeah, so that that was part of that whole dynamic. And you know the mother had to be everywhere, right.

24:41 I mean, and that would make sense losing the child that you would end up smothering another child that you have, because you never know what could happen. You know, if they didn't expect their son to pass away, then they're worried about their daughter as well. But it does, it really does seem likely then that there were not only Marcy's emotions involved with this case and the energy of the Poetruguyst, but also we're talking about possible depression or anxiety with the parents who would smother her, who were worried about her constantly. So we have this big melting pot within this house that just kind of stirred up everything once Marcy came in to the home. And I just find that really, you know, I find that really intriguing.

25:29 Yeah, I completely agree with that. The I would say the mother would be would be the other part of that real explosive energy. The father, you know, granted I'm not saying, you know, probably his anxiety I'm sure could have contributed. Sure, but he was more I think level set and you know, real nice guy. But I think more Laura and Marci. Their relationship that was like you know, flint and steel. So that was definitely a catalyst a lot of a lot of negative energy.

26:17 Now was there any ever, any suspicion that the spirit or one of the spirits that were at this house was maybe the boy and it was kind of acting out because they quote unquote kind of replaced him with Marcie because they didn't have any activity before Marcie, right. In let's see nineteen seventy one, that's right, not before Marcy. Okay, so did did they ever suspect that the little boy might be one of the spirits involved? I mean, you know that that came up. The parents at one time said it. Not that they necessarily believed it, but you know, they were their wits end, and you know, it came out, and I don't think that's what it was.

27:15 I think it was more of a classic poltergeist case. I think the role of the boy was simply that created that environment of the smothering, which led to the being picked on, which led to you know, and so on. Okay, So now when it comes to actually investigating what type of tools were being used at the time, and did they actually capture any significant evidence of the potgeist itself such as videos or photos or even EVPs these spirits either speaking or acting in some way. There was originally video cameras brought in, but then the the parents nixed the idea. It was getting too crazy.

28:06 There's too many people, and so they they kicked him out the h the newspaper. I mean, there was a reporter at a camera on him and he saw dishes fly across and and as he told me, he said, well camera or not, He says, how could I. I couldn't get to it in time. And he said, and even if I got to it in time, uh, and I expected it, which I wouldn't have. But you know, even if I can get to in time, took a picture of it, still would has approved, you know. So there's that. But there were on the on the audio tapes that did capture a noise that occurred before the phenomena happened, So that was matured on tape when an interview was being done inside the home. So that that was pretty cool. But aside from that, they didn't use any real you know, equipment to speak of other than comforting the family. And the Warren's advice was if the activity gets heavy in one room, everybody get up and move and go to another room, and you know, it'll settle it down, you know, which was good. But yeah,

29:40 they didn't have any fancy tools other than trying to get an exorcism on the house, which I don't think would have been of any use. But in any event, that was thinking at the time. And do we know exactly what that sound was that they did capture prior to theual events of the haunting. They never could figure it out. They had the police involved, they had the fire department, they had the city engineers. They ruled out construction, they ruled out anything having to do with the house settling or you know, they really couldn't.

30:20 They didn't know where the knockings were coming from. They were on the inside and outside of the house, and they followed them room to room. Jerry thought maybe it was a neighbor because they owned a motorcycle, you know, seventy four I guess. But and so they you know, they just really didn't know. I mean, even took pipes apart in the house, thinking there was an animal in there or something. They didn't know. And then they recorded it with the police officer, a neighbor, a friend of theirs who lived across the street, and they recorded the sounds and uh, and they never really agree able to identify what they were cause any dam. There's no damage done to the house. But they were really really banging, banging, very loud.

31:16 M hm. So I mean, if they suspected an animals, and even suspected a motorcycle, then it's arguably okay to theorize that they probably growling like noise on these voice recorders the most likely. Potentially well on the audio tapes I have. There was nothing else capture because they didn't they didn't do all the interviews in the home too, and depending on when it was done. Uh, the activity was a little bit smart.

32:00 It was starting to whittle down after Marcie got transferred and went back to school. Okay, then she was happy and you know, peter down after that. So now some of the pictures that you had in here were of the TVs that they had there. Apparently most of their TVs were broken. Somebody had donated one to them, and one of them even fell on Marcie's foot or almost fell on Marcia's foot. Were the broken TVs part of this activity that was going on or was it just they didn't have money to fix the TVs?

32:46 It was the activity going on the TV and the kitchen came down slowly and then went fast and it it landed on Laura's toe. Well Laura's okay, yeah, broke her toe and yeah she went to the hospital for it. And the the other TVs uh floating, coming down sometimes slowly. They had a lot of TVs for for a family in the seventies, let me tell you. But even still, could you imagine going to your neighbor, because that's what they did. They went to their neighbor, Tom Lashly and they yeah, could you imagine saying, you know, hey, do you mind if we borrow one of your TV? You know you heard about the Boltergeist and you know all our TVs are eating up by the ghosts and you want you want yours to join it.

33:52 Yeah. I think what's what's really interesting about these TVs could for those of of our listeners we're not talking about, we see TVs that we have in twenty twenty five that are light and often flimsy and easily tip over. I mean, in the seventies TVs were big, they were heavy, and they were pretty darn stable. So to have a TV tip over slowly and then be pushed quickly, would it make sense for it to naturally do that unless the legs gave out on it. Now, I know, I had a TV from the seventies for a long time, and that thing was I mean, it could have basically been a dresser if nothing else. It was huge, you know, huge and heavy. It took easily two people to lift that thing up the stairs, whereas today, you know, twenty five pounds maybe thirty tops for many of our big giant seventy inch TVs and whatnot. So I do find that very interesting in the fact that these particular TVs would just tip over, and even if one were to try hoaxing such a thing, it would take a lot of force to actually pull those things over if you're using some sort of invisible wire or anything like that.

35:01 And I think you would agree being a magician yourself and understanding how that all works, so as you were like kind of studying the investigations and doing your own investigation, like how did your how did your skill as a medician kind of like help you to oh, I'm so sorry, I don't know, speaking in times, you know, their skill as a magician help you to determine that this was particularly a real haunting that was causing this type of mischief rather than some sort of fake.

35:41 Yeah, I had to configure. I had to look at the totality of the evidence what we're looking at. And some of the things that stood out was there was multiple things happening in uh, all of the rooms at once, with witnesses in each room, and you know when you look at the combination of those things and what was happening, Like, sure, I can make refrigerator float, but in the conditions that they were having the frigerator float, it would be very, very difficult, and especially nothing anyone would be able to pull off, not to put the goods down, but I mean, you know, you know he wouldn't be able to figure out how to do that. And you know, a picture flying off the wall, Yeah, that's not too impressive in itself.

36:44 So you have to look at the totality of what's happening. And after hearing from all the people who were there, and there was so many I think about sixty eight or so firsthand witnesses and plenty secondhand to that. But you know when you listen to what the witnesses are saying, and that I think is what really separates it. The other thing that that magic helps with is people are going to tell you what they experienced, which is not necessarily what they saw. So I think it's important and voice Baby did a very very good job during these interviews of not asking you know, oh, so the table flipped over, Yes, and that's it, rights down, table flipped over.

37:57 Now he really went into it and said, wait, when you say the table flipped, you know what exactly happened. You're staring there at the tables there, Now, what's next? And did it did it? Did it fly up fast? Did it fly up slow? You know, did it did it fall within the regular speed you'd expect it to fall, and did it fall slower or faster than normal? You know, he really went into detail, and that's what's important because otherwise people are going to tell you, you know, what they saw, which is an interpretation. It's it's it's not going to give you the detail you need to really know what happened. Right, Those are I think the two main things that that it's helped me with this case or anything.

38:50 Now, was Marci always in the room when this this activity was happening, or did it happen while she wasn't in the room. That's a great question, because I crunched the data on that too, and more than half the time she wasn't even there, okay. Yeah, so and even when she was, well, sometimes she was there and she was actually the center of it, her floating up in a chair, being thrown across the room, or being or having an entire flip with her in it. But no, that's a great question, and that's a question I had. So I went through the incidents as they were all recorded, and yeah, I forget the exact percentage, but definitely she wasn't there for quite a lot of them, okay.

39:47 And I would imagine that at some point when she was in the room. Anyway, there's probably some speculation at the time that she had some sort of telekinetic powers and capable of moving these things, if I'm not mistaken, And right around the seventies in a little earlier, there was some belief that people did have that power, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe you also wrote in the book that of all your studies, there is no one who's proven to be telekinetic and able to levitate things legitimately with their mind or other source outside of you know, faking it. You know, using various devices to help create the illusion. So was that something that you found in the research that was discussed that perhaps this wasn't spirits at all, but some sort of power that she.

40:35 Had at one point. Well, yeah, I mean Bill Roll his theory is that sometimes it's simply the psychokinesis, other times at psychokinesis plus entities. I never I don't think i'd buy into the psychoconesis part itself, but it could just be another way of saying, sending out the negative frequencies that tracks these things, you know, So maybe maybe it's really not Maybe it's just the use of a different word. But you know, uh, I would call it frequency versus teleconese Telekinese is simply because that's just such an evil it's a beautiful word in magic because I I but you know, in reality it's just an evil word.

41:32 But I prefer frequencies. Okay, Yeah, Now, why is this case still so prominent today? And if anything, what we what can we learn from it about hauntings going forward? I think we can learn no matter how many witnesses you have. Never enough, Yeah got that? Oh boy, Yeah, I mean it's I think it's it's the public part of the case that makes this because there there are, there are poltergeist cases, and they're all fascinating, and you know, they all have their their things to them, But the public part of this case makes it truly that intertwined with everything. It really to me, you know, you think it's the case that really should have brought this into mainstream science. You know, how many witnesses do you need? How many people do you need? You know, how many crowds of people, how many you know, what do you need? And and I wonder if they did keep the video there, people would have just assumed that was faked. I mean even in the seventies, you know,

43:04 I mean, right, yeah, well they did them? What was them was in the fifties or something? Right, But also, you have at least sixty semi to eyewitnesses. You have various reports from not only the individuals, investigators, but even police reports that are coming in saying these things had happened. So what do you say to those people who are for some reason still skeptics despite the growing evidence to support the actual legitimate hauntings. I mean, I usually would tell them to read my book.

43:47 But and if that doesn't do it, I mean, to me, that's better proof than being there, right, Well, not if I had a lot of other people with me, But I mean, if you witness something yourself, you know, sometimes you double guess yourself, you know, it was like hallucinating or you know, ow that you know, unless it's persistent, of course, right, But in a case like this, it's it's almost better than that because I had that confirmation over and over and over and over in many different ways. Yeah, and even if these stories are falsified, you would start to see varying differences to each interview, and yet they all seem to line up pretty accurately. So such a thing like, it's just it's very rare, you know, to create some sort of false, some falsity towards this is making it a fake poultry guss or whatever. When you have that many people. And it's even harder to deceive that many people when they're all in this little room, this little house, because this house is not very big at all. It's a very tiny house. But to have that many people in this house and witness these things, surely somebody would have noticed something awry, right, somebody would have noticed, oh, this is a wire over here, or this is being faked there, but that didn't happen. Instead, these are all very legitimate events that people had seen.

45:20 They witnessed, and it drove them to learn more about it and see what they could do to help. Yeah, and they were you know, the police did an amazing job. I mean when they saw the TV float and come down and you know, turn and stuff, they went over and saw the dust on top and knew that it couldn't have been dragged by his string or something because it would have scraped the dust, and it didn't. It just turned right where it was. So they were you know, they noticed those little details. Same thing with refrigerator floating. I mean they went to the basement, they looked on the ceiling, they tilted the fridge, you know, I mean, they looked at it. They didn't just run away screaming, right, So they did a very good job, I would say, in respect to just trying to figure out what was causing these things, Especially in those times, the first thing that they would think of would not necessarily necessarily be the paranormal, although the Exorcist did come out before then, so yeah, that was on people's minds.

46:39 But now Bill coming out with both these books, The World's Most Hunted House and The bridge Port poltergece on Linley Street, the fiftieth Anniversary Investigator Companion. What is your hope for people to take away from these books? Well, I think it's a if you want proof of the paranormal, that would that would these would be the books I'd recommend, basically. And it's a heck of a Poultergeist case too. So you have the Poltergeist case itself is is incredible, but then when you get the the actual story of the public part of it, and it's it's rare that we have this much preserved. So well, it's like the bell Which case, but you know a lot of that's lost and antiquity, and it's it's like the Roswellow Haunted Houses.

47:50 Mm hm, which is yeah, pretty rare in and of itself. Yeah right, But you know what, what if i'd really interesting to the this haunting is as you said, it was very prominent within media, and there was even a point in which there was anywhere from one thousand even up to ten thousand individuals in a crowd who are surrounding this house trying to see something or learn something new. So this wasn't like a small, little, tucked away haunting that nobody knew about at the time. This is something that was huge and very widespread and knowledge about, And so you had a lot of people coming to see things. And it's very possible despite the sixty some odd witnesses, there might have been a whole lot more out in the crowd who had seen things through the windows, who had it come forward and shared what the events were that they saw.

48:44 Yes, that's true. There. I know for a fact there's one or two, at least a few people that I've spoken to and that I think are sprinkled in the book somewhere that saw the swan move outside in the house, those two decades of swans move like that. And I'm sure that there are some police officers that, like one, had reported guttural sounds of being heard, But I don't have a police report. I am you know, there's no report, which is you know, yeah, it would be. I'm sure they're even more definitely, And you know, I come across that when I say secondhand, you know, it's like, oh, I dated the chief's daughter and I heard at the dining room table blah blah blah, and then you have someone else, and when you start having multiple people say the same things, you start getting some more insight into it, right, but it never ends well then.

49:59 On top of mentioned the swans, but there's also eyewitnesses who claim, or at least the family who claimed that the family cat had actually spoken a couple of times during the haunting as well, like verbally spoke words, which to me is mind blowing because that would be horrifying. I think, you know, to have your cat talking to you saying things like what was the one of whose jingle bells? If I'm not mistaken said it or saying it or something that's wild to me. Yeah, I mean, I don't think the cat actually talked. I do think there was audio phenomena, and jingle bells is one of the things heard after Marcy hit her head, after she was flown across the room and you know, hit her head, help was heard and in the direction of the kitten, So I think you get the proximity effect, you know. I think Jerry would say that the the cat would come up the stairs and make these horrible sounds and and say go away your dirty frenchmen, And I think.

51:15 That sounds like something the cat would say. Yeah, so I'm not sure. Yeah, we're not We're not sure about that part of it. But I don't think the cat talked. But I do know that ABC and NBC and you know the major they all had microphone thereah saying you know, akay, cat say we heard you get talked. All right, Well, well it is that time for us to let you go. So I want to give the mic to you to tell everybody where they can find you find the book. It's all you. Oh okay, if you go to Hall h A L. L of the Paranormal dot com that's Hall of the Paranormal dot com and searching the book section.

52:00 You can get any of my books to be happy to sign them and send them out for you with some free stuff whatever I find around the house, you know, piece of now I'm only. But yes, and there's some paranormal stuff and it it all helps towards grant. Wait a minute, I'm supposed to have a good cause. I feel living is a good That's all I came up with on the fly. But thank you for. Me, Yeah, thank you for reaching out for us to have you on about this book, because it's fascinating to read through it and see the different pictures and stuff.

52:42 So hold on one second. I'm going to put you into limbo as we close out, and then we'll let you know where you can get the link and all that stuff for when this comes out. All right, all right, all. Right, folks. The book is The Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street by Bill Haul. There you go right there if you guys can see it, If not, just google it. You'll find that if you're listening to the audio. Next week, we're gonna be bringing on Tim Saddano from Paranormal Insights. If you are part of the upr AND network and listen to us religiously, you'll know who that is. And we're gonna be doing a two parter with him starting on our show and then we'll flip over to his show.

53:24 So definitely stay tuned for that. Anything else you can think of. Where we head out, No, not at the moment. You know, we've been We've been keeping up with things really good, so there's no house cleaning for weeks now. That's great thing. I mean, I've gotten our schedule to the point where we even have an Easter episode to talk about in a few weeks, so make sure you're continuing to tune in. We're going to be having guests, some new and different topics, and just exploring the pre normal in different ways. But until next week, folks, where you will find us at the same time, same channel.

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