March 23, 2025

Paranormal Chaos: The Bridgeport Poltergeist Case w/William J. Hall

Paranormal Chaos: The Bridgeport Poltergeist Case w/William J. Hall
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Erik & Justin talk to William J. Hall about his new book, The Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street. In 1974, a quiet house on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, Connecticut, became the epicenter of one of American history's most documented and chilling poltergeist cases. Strange noises, levitating furniture, and terrifying encounters drew police officers, firefighters, and even the media to witness the unexplained. Was it a hoax, or was something truly supernatural at play? Join them as they dive into the chaos, the controversy, and the eerie truth behind the infamous Bridgeport Poltergeist case.

William J. Hall is the author of the paranormal bestseller The World's Most Haunted House, which explores the Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street, The Bridgeport Poltergeist Photos and Archives book, as well as The Haunted House Diaries and Phantom Messages. Bill has extensive experience as a performing magician and is a seasoned researcher of the unexplained, delving into topics ranging from folklore and urban legends to fortune-telling, the pyramids, and other mysterious tales. His syndicated column, Magic and the Unknown, ran for six years in multiple newspapers. He has been interviewed worldwide and broke Discovery Channel records with his appearance on Devil's Road on the Travel Channel, among other programs.

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Welcome, well, well do para Truth?

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What's up everybody? And welcome to a brand new episode

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of Paratruth Reborn. This is a pre recorded show on

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one oh seven point seven FM, New Orleans and United

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Public Radio Network. My name is Eric and I'm Justin

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and today we have with us William J. Hall discussing

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his book The Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street Now. Bill

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is the author of the paranormal bestseller Worlds Haunted House,

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which explores the Bridgeport pulter Geist on Lindley Street, the

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Bridgeport Poltergeist Photos and Archives book, as well as the

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Haunted House Diaries and Phantom Messages. Bill has extensive experience

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as a performing magician and is a seasoned researcher of

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the unexplained, doving into topics ranging from folklore and urban

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legends to fortune telling, the Pyramids and other mysterious tales.

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His syndicated column Magic and the Unknown ran for six

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years in multiple newspapers and has been interviewed and he

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has been interviewed worldwide and broke Discovery Channel records with

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his appearance on Devil's Road on the Travel Channel, among

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other programs. So, without further ado let's bring in Bill Hall.

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Hi, thank you for having me.

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Hey, thank you for joining us.

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It's been a while, Bill, it has.

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Yeah, yeah, quite a while.

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Well now, Bill, I know that we've had on the

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show a few times over the years, but if you

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can just tell us how you started researching the paranormal

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again for our new listeners.

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Well, it was always something as a child I researched,

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and I was more on the UFO and the things

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sending away for government documents as a kid and things

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like that, and watching In Search of and those kinds

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of shows. But with Linley Street it really got me

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going down the rabbit hole and taking a much more

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active role because in the old days I was a

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member of the Psychic Investigation Committee as Society American Magicians,

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but mainly we just got people faking stuff and so

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didn't get much, you know, paranormal kind of things that

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I guess to be expected. But and then with Linley Street,

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that story just sparked. I saw a Facebook post and

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then I ended up googling it, and after reading some

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of the newspaper articles about it, was convinced that maybe

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there was something there, and that got me going down

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the rabbit hole, and and and of the paranormal in

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general too.

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Now, this book is kind of a pair book to

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the world's most Haunted House, So what made you want

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to come out with this book to to pair with that.

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Well, over the years, people have asked me to release

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some of the transcripts and and they wanted to see

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the photos, and they wanted to see them in color.

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So and then it was the fiftieth anniversary, and I said, well,

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let me see if I could. If I could do it,

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so I figured it was a fun project to do

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and happy to say so far people liked it.

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Yeah, And I certainly did find it very interesting being

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able to see all the various photos and of course

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the written text of the recordings as well, at least

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some of the recordings. I found that really fascinating and

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a lot of fun to kind of delve into. Made

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it feel a little more real, as if we were

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actually there investigating it ourselves. So that was really cool,

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and I do appreciate that for this book in particular.

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But for those who are not really familiar about the case,

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can you actually explain what had been happening there? That's

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really rose this or grew this this interest in the

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investigation of it.

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Well, this was very widely publicized and had a lot

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of witnesses to it. So in the newspaper reports there

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was quotes from police officers, firefighters, reporters, friends, family, onlookers, priests.

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By the time, this thing really blew open. So there

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was just so many witnesses involved, and it was such

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a public display unlike we've really seen in I don't know,

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one hundred years, maybe the bell which can compare in

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some ways. But so that, you know, that's really what

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piqued my interest. That's what you were at, I.

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Think, yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah, that.

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Really piqued my interest is that it was huge. And

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of course I grew up in Bridgeport too, so I

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heard the story on the news when I was ten

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and asked my dad about it and he said, ah,

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a bunch of moloney. So so the hoax story, you know,

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got him to.

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Well. And at the time there are a lot of

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people who actually believed it was a hoax, right, and

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they were even in articles published claiming as such.

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Well, the the hoax story was released really by the

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by the police. Basically, they wanted to get the city

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back and the only way to do that and to

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keep keep the family safe too. Was to the claim

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is that folks. Unfortunately the little girl got the you know,

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the blame for it. But but yeah, I mean because

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they tried to burn the house down. You have to remember,

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you know, so things were getting out of hand. They

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had the block street off. It was a very very

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public event. So not only was the family dealing with

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the poltergeist antics inside the house, they had to deal

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with the the very real human h end of the

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human monster right.

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Now. I had, actually I had read in your book

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one thing that really just stuck out to me. There's

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plenty of things I've stuck out dem but this one

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in particular. I read that the activity seemed to quiet

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after the priest had blessed the home, only for the

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activity to restart again several hours later in a much

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worse state. Now for me, I can't help but find

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this an odd coincidence that la up with a Bible

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passaget in Matthew twel five, which says basically talks about

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a spirit leaving a house then coming back with seven

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more wicked spirits that caused greater chaos than the original.

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And so despite having religious artifactures in the home as

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the owners did. Were the good Inns a religious family

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in general, and how did their beleefs relate or impact

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to the haunting itself and its outcome.

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The good Inns were a religious family. They went to

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church every week, and Jerry was an overall good guy.

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He was a Boy Scout leader even though he had

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no children of his own at the time. So so, yeah,

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they were a very religious family. A little quirky in

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the upbringing of Marci, but that's a different issue. As

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far as the religious items, I mean, they were really

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you know, if you look at the data, they were

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really disturbed less and temper about ten percent or less

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of the time. But I think they're more memorable to people.

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You know, if the cheer floats or cheer flips, that's

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one thing, But if a cross does it, it tends

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to impact more, you know, you know, depending on who

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you are, of course, But and so, I mean, I

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think that's why it was important for me to look

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at and separate the data itself, because because you know,

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we all have biases, and you know, I probably would

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have thought the same thing. Oh, Jesus seemed to go

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after religious items or you know, and maybe it knew

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that that would get the family's goats, so to speak.

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You know, uh, and that and certainly you know that

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could happen within the scope of everything else. But but

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to say it went after religious items was was not

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was not statistically true at all. It was exactly the opposite.

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You'd say, if anything, it went after chairs and TVs.

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Now you talked about you know that supposedly the this

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was proven to be a hoax, then in turn was

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overturned with that. What type of activity were they saying

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was being hoaxed? And when you got to that part

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where you were able to investigate this a little bit,

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what were your thoughts on the different activity that they

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had going on there?

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Well, the uh, you know, I had the thirty hours

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of interviews that were done right at the time, right

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after it was announced a hoax. The police department was

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mandated to participate in this investigation and be interviewed by

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the investigators. And that's what really led me down the

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rabbit hole was because that actually was mentioned briefly in

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a newspaper and it mentioned the gentleman's name, Boyce Baby,

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and I contacted Boyce and he ended up giving me

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twenty two cassette tapes and a nine hour real real

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tape from the Bridgeport to police department interviews. So hearing

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those interviews is really what convinced me that Lindley Street

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was what was really what happened. You had multiple witnesses

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that saw the same things happen, and they were each

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interviewed separately. So it's one of the first times we

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had this kind of way to collaborate evidence, and that

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was really really a high point of from an investigator

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point of view, is to have this kind of Ten

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people saw it, and maybe one person didn't see it

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from the beginning, and one person saw it from the beginning,

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didn't see it in the end, and another one saw

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it from the end. But you know, you put it

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all together, it's not like one person said it or

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there's two people who said it. You've got sometimes a

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room full of people that witnessed it, and things such

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as you know, Marci being picked up and thrown across

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the room right now.

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I mean, speaking of Marcie, there is evidence that suggests

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the politicist had revolved around her. Is that factual? And

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why do you think so many huntings seem to evolve

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around children generally, because I think that's pretty prominent, especially

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in Poultrguist like activity.

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Yes, you're you're definitely correct and Poultergeist activity. And normally

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it's a girl of a boy two to one of

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the cases we know of, of course, but yeah, in

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a poltergeist case, the focal point in this case, as

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in a classic poltergeist case, would be Marcy. The little

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girl had plenty of repressed feelings, being very shy and

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introverted and picked on in school. She was adopted after

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the parents, Laura and Jerry, had death of their son

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at age six, and he was he was sick the

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whole time basically, so they were smothering her parental wise,

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and then she got beat up at school and she

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was stuck at home with the mother she didn't get

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along with because the smothering and everything. And after about

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six weeks of that, that's when the poultrygeist activity really exploded.

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Before that, there was things that were going on, but

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it was very it was milder. Well, there was the

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knocks on the inside and outsides of the walls. Those

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started nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy three, and it

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became really public in November nineteen seventy four. So just

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to give you an example, so there was some things

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going on, but not not in the relation of Poultry

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Guy's activity, like what exploded after that period of trouble

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with Marci who was just about ten at the time.

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Going to be ten, right, I mean as an investigator

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thinking back to those early times where there were just

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like the wrapping on the wall, the not gig were

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just subtle things, only to have it exploded later, Like,

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do you have any theories as to whether or not

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it was once? I mean, obviously Palter Guist could be

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multiple spirits, but do you have any theories as to

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whether or not there were more spirits that became involved

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later on as these incidents with Marcie started, Or do

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you think these these spirits had always been there and

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just happened to build up on energy as things progressed

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in Marcy's life, especially with all the negative outcomes that

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were happening.

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Well, I think it's as my dear friend recently passed

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and one of the witnesses of Lilly Street Polino had said,

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it's like bringing the dinner bell for these things. Personally,

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I think that the theory is you know, she's sending

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out these frequencies and somehow it attracts these things and

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they and they come through, and of course you know

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how and who they are and that sort of thing.

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You know, then you get into a bunch of conjecture.

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But but we don't know if they want to be

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here even you know, I try to look at it

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from every angle. You know. It seems like it's a

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negative relationship though, between you know, the little girl and

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the and the item. But it did pick her up

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and throw across the room too, so I mean it

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I don't now, at least on a conscious level. I

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don't believe she's involved.

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Right now, if I remember, right, were the Warrens involved

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in this case?

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Yes, they were called in. Uh Mary Pascarella who was

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a member of one of those psychic committees down in

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New Haven, I forget the name of it. But she

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was nearby and and called Ed and said, Ed, you

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got to get down here. There's a really bad poltergeist case.

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And he said, well, you know, we're pretty busy. Is

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this like the real deal? I mean, this is you know,

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what do you mean what's going on? She goes, well,

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there's you know, police cars and fire engines, you know,

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and uh, and so he says, whoa okay, you know.

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So so they go and get Father Charboneau and Paulino

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is on his way there. He was hoping to have

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dinner because Lorraine was legendarily a very good cook, but

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instead they all headed over to Linley Street and the

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good Inns didn't never hear of them, but let him

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in because no one else was able to help so far,

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so figured if they could be of help, why not

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give them a shot. And that that's kind of how

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they got involved.

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And once they got involved, I mean, did the parent

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the activity increase even more now that there were people

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actually they're witnessing things and kind of diving deeper into

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the subject matter.

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Well, it's it's it's funny because usually in the in

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these case is when you have so many people, it

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usually would die down, you know, if you have a

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bunch of new people enter, it usually would die down

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before anything would pick up. But in this case, during

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that period of intense activity, even even with the new

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people being introduced, the activity still continued. So that that

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was an interesting part of it, to show how how

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heightened it was.

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Right now, originally it was believed that the house was sold. However,

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after further investigation, that was found to be false. It

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had the home eventually been sold? And do you know

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whether or not reports have been submitted regarding a continued

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haunting with the new owner.

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I don't know of any. As far as I know,

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there hasn't been any activity before or after. Uh, as

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is not uncommon in a poltergeist case. Although I guess

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you can say, uh, there's something to say about uh,

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you know, the land itself or whatever. There is an

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underground spring there. Uh so that's interesting if for nothing

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else that they say that could have something to do

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with it. But but who you know? That's the missing ingredient,

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you know, the six million million dollar question. But I

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suppose if you get I think, if you got the

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right family and the right people or the wrong people,

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I should say, then sure, maybe you can stir up

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something again, you know, open something up.

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All right. And it's true, it's very interesting that like

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running water rivers, they tend to generate or supposedly generate

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energy to empower spirits in some way to help them

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manifest their abilities of moving things or just manifest themselves

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in a certain location. So it is very possible. Then

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I suppose these spirits were already there and just the

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good Inn's happened to have an energy that provoked them

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these spirits and allowed them to come forth, whereas when

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someone else came in they didn't share that same type

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of energy and kind of helps them do the natural

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forces that were because if I'm not mistaken, once they

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did move out of that house, there's no report that

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the poultry guys followed them.

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Correct, right when they were well, they stayed in the

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I mean they never left the home, but I mean

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during the short periods of time where they left the home, No,

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it didn't follow them. It did something followed, uh, Lorraine

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and Paul, but nothing followed the good When the Goods

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were away from the house, is as they sometimes did,

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they'd spend a night here or there, you know, trying

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not to imposition people, or they would have Marcie stay

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over there, and they would stay at the house, you know.

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But the when they were away, there was no reports

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of activity at their other where they were staying. In

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other words, mhm.

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Now, something you mentioned earlier was the fact that the

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parents were kind of smothering Marcie. Now was that smothering

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as in there was some type of abuse or just

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smothering because she was an adopted child. Elder what what

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did you mean by that?

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Yeah, there was no evidence of abuse. I actually did

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ask about that, just to cover all the bases, but uh, no,

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there was no evidence of abuse. But their their young

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child that they had, a little boy, Jerry Jr. He

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had I believe, cerebral palsy and down syndrome and he

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couldn't walk or talk is normal, and it was sick

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a lot. You know, they had a brace so they

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can carry him, okay, and so and then he died

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with a high fever at age six, and uh, they

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were devastated and they ended up adopting Marcy and they

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were really smothering as far as a parental You know,

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she couldn't go anywhere alone. You know, she'd have to

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be walked to the boss, walked here, walked there, and

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you're shy and introverted and then you're going to be

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picked on top of it, and so yeah, so that

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that was part of that whole dynamic. And you know

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the mother had to be everywhere, right.

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I mean, and that would make sense losing the child

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that you would end up smothering another child that you have,

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because you never know what could happen. You know, if

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they didn't expect their son to pass away, then they're

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worried about their daughter as well. But it does, it

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really does seem likely then that there were not only

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Marcy's emotions involved with this case and the energy of

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the Poetruguyst, but also we're talking about possible depression or

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anxiety with the parents who would smother her, who were

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worried about her constantly. So we have this big melting

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pot within this house that just kind of stirred up

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everything once Marcy came in to the home. And I

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just find that really, you know, I find that really intriguing.

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Yeah, I completely agree with that. The I would say

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the mother would be would be the other part of

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that real explosive energy. The father, you know, granted I'm

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not saying, you know, probably his anxiety I'm sure could

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have contributed. Sure, but he was more I think level

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set and you know, real nice guy. But I think

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more Laura and Marci. Their relationship that was like you know,

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flint and steel. So that was definitely a catalyst a

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lot of a lot of negative energy.

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Now was there any ever, any suspicion that the spirit

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or one of the spirits that were at this house

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was maybe the boy and it was kind of acting

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out because they quote unquote kind of replaced him with

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Marcie because they didn't have any activity before Marcie, right.

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In let's see nineteen seventy one, that's right, not before Marcy.

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Okay, so did did they ever suspect that the little

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boy might be one of the spirits involved?

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I mean, you know that that came up. The parents

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at one time said it. Not that they necessarily believed it,

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but you know, they were their wits end, and you know,

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it came out, and I don't think that's what it was.

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I think it was more of a classic poltergeist case.

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I think the role of the boy was simply that

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created that environment of the smothering, which led to the

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being picked on, which led to you know, and so on.

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Okay, So now when it comes to actually investigating what

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type of tools were being used at the time, and

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did they actually capture any significant evidence of the potgeist

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itself such as videos or photos or even EVPs these

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spirits either speaking or acting in some way.

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There was originally video cameras brought in, but then the

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the parents nixed the idea. It was getting too crazy.

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There's too many people, and so they they kicked him

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out the h the newspaper. I mean, there was a

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reporter at a camera on him and he saw dishes

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fly across and and as he told me, he said,

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well camera or not, He says, how could I. I

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couldn't get to it in time. And he said, and

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even if I got to it in time, uh, and

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I expected it, which I wouldn't have. But you know,

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even if I can get to in time, took a

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picture of it, still would has approved, you know. So

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there's that. But there were on the on the audio

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tapes that did capture a noise that occurred before the

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phenomena happened, So that was matured on tape when an

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interview was being done inside the home. So that that

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was pretty cool. But aside from that, they didn't use

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any real you know, equipment to speak of other than

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comforting the family. And the Warren's advice was if the

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activity gets heavy in one room, everybody get up and

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move and go to another room, and you know, it'll

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settle it down, you know, which was good. But yeah,

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they didn't have any fancy tools other than trying to

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get an exorcism on the house, which I don't think

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would have been of any use. But in any event,

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that was thinking at the time.

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And do we know exactly what that sound was that

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they did capture prior to theual events of the haunting.

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They never could figure it out. They had the police involved,

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they had the fire department, they had the city engineers.

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They ruled out construction, they ruled out anything having to

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do with the house settling or you know, they really couldn't.

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They didn't know where the knockings were coming from. They

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were on the inside and outside of the house, and

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they followed them room to room. Jerry thought maybe it

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was a neighbor because they owned a motorcycle, you know,

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seventy four I guess. But and so they you know,

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they just really didn't know. I mean, even took pipes

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apart in the house, thinking there was an animal in

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there or something. They didn't know. And then they recorded

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it with the police officer, a neighbor, a friend of

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theirs who lived across the street, and they recorded the

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sounds and uh, and they never really agree able to

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identify what they were cause any dam. There's no damage

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done to the house. But they were really really banging, banging,

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very loud.

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M hm. So I mean, if they suspected an animals,

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and even suspected a motorcycle, then it's arguably okay to

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theorize that they probably growling like noise on these voice

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recorders the most likely.

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Potentially well on the audio tapes I have. There was

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nothing else capture because they didn't they didn't do all

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the interviews in the home too, and depending on when

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it was done. Uh, the activity was a little bit smart.

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It was starting to whittle down after Marcie got transferred

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and went back to school. Okay, then she was happy

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and you know, peter down after that.

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So now some of the pictures that you had in

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here were of the TVs that they had there. Apparently

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most of their TVs were broken. Somebody had donated one

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to them, and one of them even fell on Marcie's

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foot or almost fell on Marcia's foot. Were the broken

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TVs part of this activity that was going on or

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was it just they didn't have money to fix the TVs?

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It was the activity going on the TV and the

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kitchen came down slowly and then went fast and it

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it landed on Laura's toe. Well Laura's okay, yeah, broke

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her toe and yeah she went to the hospital for it.

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And the the other TVs uh floating, coming down sometimes slowly.

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They had a lot of TVs for for a family

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in the seventies, let me tell you. But even still,

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could you imagine going to your neighbor, because that's what

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they did. They went to their neighbor, Tom Lashly and

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they yeah, could you imagine saying, you know, hey, do

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you mind if we borrow one of your TV? You

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know you heard about the Boltergeist and you know all

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our TVs are eating up by the ghosts and you

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want you want yours to join it.

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Yeah. I think what's what's really interesting about these TVs

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could for those of of our listeners we're not talking about,

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we see TVs that we have in twenty twenty five

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that are light and often flimsy and easily tip over.

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I mean, in the seventies TVs were big, they were heavy,

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and they were pretty darn stable. So to have a

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TV tip over slowly and then be pushed quickly, would

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it make sense for it to naturally do that unless

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the legs gave out on it. Now, I know, I

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had a TV from the seventies for a long time,

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and that thing was I mean, it could have basically

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been a dresser if nothing else. It was huge, you know,

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huge and heavy. It took easily two people to lift

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that thing up the stairs, whereas today, you know, twenty

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five pounds maybe thirty tops for many of our big

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giant seventy inch TVs and whatnot. So I do find

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that very interesting in the fact that these particular TVs

466
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would just tip over, and even if one were to

467
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.559
try hoaxing such a thing, it would take a lot

468
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.239
of force to actually pull those things over if you're

469
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.960
using some sort of invisible wire or anything like that.

470
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.719
And I think you would agree being a magician yourself

471
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.159
and understanding how that all works, so as you were

472
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.199
like kind of studying the investigations and doing your own investigation,

473
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.760
like how did your how did your skill as a

474
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.679
medician kind of like help you to oh, I'm so sorry,

475
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:25.760
I don't know, speaking in times, you know, their skill

476
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.920
as a magician help you to determine that this was

477
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.800
particularly a real haunting that was causing this type of

478
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.400
mischief rather than some sort of fake.

479
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.000
Yeah, I had to configure. I had to look at

480
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:49.239
the totality of the evidence what we're looking at. And

481
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.440
some of the things that stood out was there was

482
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:59.519
multiple things happening in uh, all of the rooms at once,

483
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.840
with witnesses in each room, and you know when you

484
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:10.880
look at the combination of those things and what was happening, Like, sure,

485
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.199
I can make refrigerator float, but in the conditions that

486
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.000
they were having the frigerator float, it would be very,

487
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:25.320
very difficult, and especially nothing anyone would be able to

488
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.519
pull off, not to put the goods down, but I mean,

489
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.239
you know, you know he wouldn't be able to figure

490
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:39.039
out how to do that. And you know, a picture

491
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.320
flying off the wall, Yeah, that's not too impressive in itself.

492
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.199
So you have to look at the totality of what's happening.

493
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:54.639
And after hearing from all the people who were there,

494
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.639
and there was so many I think about sixty eight

495
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:10.880
or so firsthand witnesses and plenty secondhand to that. But

496
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.440
you know when you listen to what the witnesses are saying,

497
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:22.440
and that I think is what really separates it. The

498
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:30.440
other thing that that magic helps with is people are

499
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.800
going to tell you what they experienced, which is not

500
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:41.119
necessarily what they saw. So I think it's important and

501
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:45.039
voice Baby did a very very good job during these

502
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:53.320
interviews of not asking you know, oh, so the table

503
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.320
flipped over, Yes, and that's it, rights down, table flipped over.

504
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.920
Now he really went into it and said, wait, when

505
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.440
you say the table flipped, you know what exactly happened.

506
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.800
You're staring there at the tables there, Now, what's next?

507
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.159
And did it did it? Did it fly up fast?

508
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.639
Did it fly up slow? You know, did it did

509
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.800
it fall within the regular speed you'd expect it to fall,

510
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.079
and did it fall slower or faster than normal? You know,

511
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.880
he really went into detail, and that's what's important because

512
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.880
otherwise people are going to tell you, you know, what they saw,

513
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.079
which is an interpretation. It's it's it's not going to

514
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.599
give you the detail you need to really know what happened. Right,

515
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:43.559
Those are I think the two main things that that

516
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:47.039
it's helped me with this case or anything.

517
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.800
Now, was Marci always in the room when this this

518
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:57.400
activity was happening, or did it happen while she wasn't

519
00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:58.679
in the room.

520
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:03.079
That's a great question, because I crunched the data on

521
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.880
that too, and more than half the time she wasn't

522
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:13.639
even there, okay. Yeah, so and even when she was, well,

523
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.719
sometimes she was there and she was actually the center

524
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.079
of it, her floating up in a chair, being thrown

525
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.800
across the room, or being or having an entire flip

526
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:29.320
with her in it. But no, that's a great question,

527
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.440
and that's a question I had. So I went through

528
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.880
the incidents as they were all recorded, and yeah, I

529
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.440
forget the exact percentage, but definitely she wasn't there for

530
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.000
quite a lot of them, okay.

531
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.199
And I would imagine that at some point when she

532
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.400
was in the room. Anyway, there's probably some speculation at

533
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.960
the time that she had some sort of telekinetic powers

534
00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.960
and capable of moving these things, if I'm not mistaken,

535
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.440
And right around the seventies in a little earlier, there

536
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:06.599
was some belief that people did have that power, and

537
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.440
if I'm not mistaken, I believe you also wrote in

538
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:12.000
the book that of all your studies, there is no

539
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.920
one who's proven to be telekinetic and able to levitate

540
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.920
things legitimately with their mind or other source outside of

541
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.480
you know, faking it. You know, using various devices to

542
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.679
help create the illusion. So was that something that you

543
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.199
found in the research that was discussed that perhaps this

544
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.679
wasn't spirits at all, but some sort of power that she.

545
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:40.360
Had at one point. Well, yeah, I mean Bill Roll

546
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:47.360
his theory is that sometimes it's simply the psychokinesis, other

547
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:57.119
times at psychokinesis plus entities. I never I don't think

548
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.920
i'd buy into the psychoconesis part itself, but it could

549
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.199
just be another way of saying, sending out the negative

550
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:10.400
frequencies that tracks these things, you know, So maybe maybe

551
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.599
it's really not Maybe it's just the use of a

552
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:17.639
different word. But you know, uh, I would call it

553
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:23.840
frequency versus teleconese Telekinese is simply because that's just such

554
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.840
an evil it's a beautiful word in magic because I

555
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:32.840
I but you know, in reality it's just an evil word.

556
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.159
But I prefer frequencies.

557
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:41.800
Okay, Yeah, Now, why is this case still so prominent today?

558
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.800
And if anything, what we what can we learn from

559
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.199
it about hauntings going forward?

560
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.360
I think we can learn no matter how many witnesses

561
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:54.000
you have.

562
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.800
Never enough, Yeah got that?

563
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:11.519
Oh boy, Yeah, I mean it's I think it's it's

564
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.960
the public part of the case that makes this because

565
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:21.800
there there are, there are poltergeist cases, and they're all fascinating,

566
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.920
and you know, they all have their their things to them,

567
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:30.519
But the public part of this case makes it truly

568
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.800
that intertwined with everything. It really to me, you know,

569
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.320
you think it's the case that really should have brought

570
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.840
this into mainstream science. You know, how many witnesses do

571
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:47.159
you need? How many people do you need? You know,

572
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.480
how many crowds of people, how many you know, what

573
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:58.519
do you need? And and I wonder if they did

574
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.760
keep the video there, people would have just assumed that

575
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.639
was faked. I mean even in the seventies, you know,

576
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.079
I mean, right, yeah, well they did them? What was

577
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.400
them was in the fifties or something?

578
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:20.559
Right, But also, you have at least sixty semi to eyewitnesses.

579
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.360
You have various reports from not only the individuals, investigators,

580
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.199
but even police reports that are coming in saying these

581
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.440
things had happened. So what do you say to those

582
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.119
people who are for some reason still skeptics despite the

583
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:43.599
growing evidence to support the actual legitimate hauntings.

584
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.840
I mean, I usually would tell them to read my book.

585
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:53.280
But and if that doesn't do it, I mean, to me,

586
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.320
that's better proof than being there, right, Well, not if

587
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.199
I had a lot of other people with me, But

588
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.920
I mean, if you witness something yourself, you know, sometimes

589
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.800
you double guess yourself, you know, it was like hallucinating

590
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.039
or you know, ow that you know, unless it's persistent,

591
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.840
of course, right, But in a case like this, it's

592
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.840
it's almost better than that because I had that confirmation

593
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.320
over and over and over and over in many different ways.

594
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:30.559
Yeah, and even if these stories are falsified, you would

595
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:37.320
start to see varying differences to each interview, and yet

596
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.960
they all seem to line up pretty accurately. So such

597
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.760
a thing like, it's just it's very rare, you know,

598
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.320
to create some sort of false, some falsity towards this

599
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.679
is making it a fake poultry guss or whatever. When

600
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.679
you have that many people. And it's even harder to

601
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.039
deceive that many people when they're all in this little room,

602
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:56.920
this little house, because this house is not very big

603
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.519
at all. It's a very tiny house. But to have

604
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.920
that many people in this house and witness these things,

605
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:08.159
surely somebody would have noticed something awry, right, somebody would

606
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.840
have noticed, oh, this is a wire over here, or

607
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.719
this is being faked there, but that didn't happen. Instead,

608
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:20.039
these are all very legitimate events that people had seen.

609
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.880
They witnessed, and it drove them to learn more about

610
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.440
it and see what they could do to help.

611
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.280
Yeah, and they were you know, the police did an

612
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:36.760
amazing job. I mean when they saw the TV float

613
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:41.639
and come down and you know, turn and stuff, they

614
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:50.079
went over and saw the dust on top and knew

615
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.199
that it couldn't have been dragged by his string or

616
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.320
something because it would have scraped the dust, and it didn't.

617
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.760
It just turned right where it was. So they were

618
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.559
you know, they noticed those little details. Same thing with

619
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.440
refrigerator floating. I mean they went to the basement, they

620
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.159
looked on the ceiling, they tilted the fridge, you know,

621
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.199
I mean, they looked at it. They didn't just run

622
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:14.880
away screaming, right, So they did a very good job,

623
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.199
I would say, in respect to just trying to figure

624
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:24.159
out what was causing these things, Especially in those times,

625
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.760
the first thing that they would think of would not

626
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.559
necessarily necessarily be the paranormal, although the Exorcist did come

627
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:39.440
out before then, so yeah, that was on people's minds.

628
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:46.079
But now Bill coming out with both these books, The

629
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.239
World's Most Hunted House and The bridge Port poltergece on

630
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:55.360
Linley Street, the fiftieth Anniversary Investigator Companion. What is your

631
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.639
hope for people to take away from these books?

632
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.480
Well, I think it's a if you want proof of

633
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.400
the paranormal, that would that would these would be the

634
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:15.039
books I'd recommend, basically. And it's a heck of a

635
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.880
Poultergeist case too. So you have the Poltergeist case itself

636
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:24.559
is is incredible, but then when you get the the

637
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:31.920
actual story of the public part of it, and it's

638
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:37.280
it's rare that we have this much preserved. So well,

639
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.199
it's like the bell Which case, but you know a

640
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:48.440
lot of that's lost and antiquity, and it's it's like

641
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.599
the Roswellow Haunted Houses.

642
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.239
Mm hm, which is yeah, pretty rare in and of itself.

643
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.880
Yeah right, But you know what, what if i'd really

644
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.159
interesting to the this haunting is as you said, it

645
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.880
was very prominent within media, and there was even a

646
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.599
point in which there was anywhere from one thousand even

647
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.440
up to ten thousand individuals in a crowd who are

648
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:16.519
surrounding this house trying to see something or learn something new.

649
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.800
So this wasn't like a small, little, tucked away haunting

650
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.559
that nobody knew about at the time. This is something

651
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:26.880
that was huge and very widespread and knowledge about, And

652
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:28.719
so you had a lot of people coming to see things.

653
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:33.000
And it's very possible despite the sixty some odd witnesses,

654
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:34.920
there might have been a whole lot more out in

655
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.920
the crowd who had seen things through the windows, who

656
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.480
had it come forward and shared what the events were

657
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:42.039
that they saw.

658
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:50.440
Yes, that's true. There. I know for a fact there's

659
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.239
one or two, at least a few people that I've

660
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.360
spoken to and that I think are sprinkled in the

661
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:05.679
book somewhere that saw the swan move outside in the house,

662
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:11.920
those two decades of swans move like that. And I'm

663
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:17.000
sure that there are some police officers that, like one,

664
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.480
had reported guttural sounds of being heard, But I don't

665
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.480
have a police report. I am you know, there's no report,

666
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:32.159
which is you know, yeah, it would be. I'm sure

667
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.920
they're even more definitely, And you know, I come across

668
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.079
that when I say secondhand, you know, it's like, oh,

669
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.360
I dated the chief's daughter and I heard at the

670
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.280
dining room table blah blah blah, and then you have

671
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:52.039
someone else, and when you start having multiple people say

672
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.079
the same things, you start getting some more insight into it, right,

673
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.119
but it never ends well then.

674
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:04.000
On top of mentioned the swans, but there's also eyewitnesses

675
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.079
who claim, or at least the family who claimed that

676
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.079
the family cat had actually spoken a couple of times

677
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:14.199
during the haunting as well, like verbally spoke words, which

678
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.239
to me is mind blowing because that would be horrifying.

679
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.519
I think, you know, to have your cat talking to

680
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.880
you saying things like what was the one of whose

681
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.400
jingle bells? If I'm not mistaken said it or saying

682
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.599
it or something that's wild to me.

683
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.639
Yeah, I mean, I don't think the cat actually talked.

684
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.119
I do think there was audio phenomena, and jingle bells

685
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:40.320
is one of the things heard after Marcy hit her head,

686
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.000
after she was flown across the room and you know,

687
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:52.559
hit her head, help was heard and in the direction

688
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.559
of the kitten, So I think you get the proximity effect,

689
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:04.519
you know. I think Jerry would say that the the

690
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.519
cat would come up the stairs and make these horrible

691
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:14.119
sounds and and say go away your dirty frenchmen, And

692
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:15.519
I think.

693
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.000
That sounds like something the cat would say.

694
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.079
Yeah, so I'm not sure. Yeah, we're not We're not

695
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.079
sure about that part of it. But I don't think

696
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.159
the cat talked. But I do know that ABC and

697
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.840
NBC and you know the major they all had microphone

698
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:36.039
thereah saying you know, akay, cat say we heard you

699
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:36.559
get talked.

700
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.480
All right, Well, well it is that time for us

701
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.519
to let you go. So I want to give the

702
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.599
mic to you to tell everybody where they can find

703
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:48.559
you find the book.

704
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:52.400
It's all you. Oh okay, if you go to Hall

705
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.440
h A L. L of the Paranormal dot com that's

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Hall of the Paranormal dot com and searching the book section.

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You can get any of my books to be happy

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to sign them and send them out for you with

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some free stuff whatever I find around the house, you know,

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piece of now I'm only.

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But yes, and there's some paranormal stuff and it it

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all helps towards grant. Wait a minute, I'm supposed to

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have a good cause. I feel living is a good

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That's all I came up with on the fly. But

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thank you for.

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Me, Yeah, thank you for reaching out for us to

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have you on about this book, because it's fascinating to

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read through it and see the different pictures and stuff.

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So hold on one second. I'm going to put you

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into limbo as we close out, and then we'll let

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you know where you can get the link and all

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that stuff for when this comes out. All right, all right, all.

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Right, folks.

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The book is The Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street by

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Bill Haul. There you go right there if you guys

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can see it, If not, just google it. You'll find

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that if you're listening to the audio. Next week, we're

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gonna be bringing on Tim Saddano from Paranormal Insights. If

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you are part of the upr AND network and listen

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to us religiously, you'll know who that is. And we're

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gonna be doing a two parter with him starting on

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our show and then we'll flip over to his show.

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So definitely stay tuned for that. Anything else you can

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think of.

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Where we head out, No, not at the moment. You know,

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we've been We've been keeping up with things really good,

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so there's no house cleaning for weeks now. That's great thing.

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I mean, I've gotten our schedule to the point where

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we even have an Easter episode to talk about in

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a few weeks, so make sure you're continuing to tune in.

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We're going to be having guests, some new and different topics,

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and just exploring the pre normal in different ways. But

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until next week, folks, where you will find us at

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the same time, same channel.

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My name is Justin and I'm Eric Peace
WILLIAM J HALL

William J. Hall is the author of the paranormal bestseller The World's Most Haunted House, which explores the Bridgeport Poltergeist on Lindley Street, The Bridgeport Poltergeist Photos and Archives book, as well as The Haunted House Diaries and Phantom Messages. Bill has extensive experience as a performing magician and is a seasoned researcher of the unexplained, delving into topics ranging from folklore and urban legends to fortune-telling, the pyramids, and other mysterious tales. His syndicated column, Magic and the Unknown, ran for six years in multiple newspapers. He has been interviewed worldwide and broke Discovery Channel records with his appearance on Devil's Road on the Travel Channel, among other programs.