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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we'll be talking to Jonathan
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Kendall about his book The Metaphysics of UFOs.
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Welcome to Paratrueth.
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Hello, Hello everybody, and welcome to Paratruth Reboard. My name
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is Eric and I'm justin and tonight we are talking
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with doctor Jonathan Kendall about UFOs, consciousness, parallel realities, and
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the possibility that the phenomenon may be connected to the
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spiritual realm. Doctor Kendall, Welcome to berchet Bourne.
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Thank you guys for having me. It's an honor to
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be here. And please just call me Jonathan or JK.
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You got it, JK, I like it.
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Now, before we really get into the UFO phenomenon, what
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for sparked your interest in the paranormal activity and physics.
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Well, I've always been interested in paranormal activity growing up.
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You know, my grandmother claimed to live in a haunted house,
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which I believe she did, and she would tell us
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some merely interesting stories. Some people in my family have
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had UFO experiences. My grandfather was on his way home
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from work one day with three of his coworkers and
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they're driving on this mountain road and the end of
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the valley below. They saw this orange sphere covering there.
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It was silent, wasn't moving. They got out and looked
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at it, decided to get back in the car, drive
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down the hill where they could get a little bit
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of a closer look. And they're view as obscured as
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they were driving down the hill, and by the time
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they got to this new place in the road where
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they could see into that same valley, it had disappeared.
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So stories like that had always enamored me. I started
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working about twenty twenty on a book on apparitions, and
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I was reading some material by Hillary Evans, who studies
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a paranormal or studied the paranormal aspects of reality, and
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he was talking about this interesting feature called men in Black,
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which I come to find out, we're associated with UFO lore,
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and which in some cases seemed to be apparitional. And somehow,
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as if by some force, I got completely on a
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tangent before that book was even done, and I started
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writing about UFOs, and a couple of years later I
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kind of wondered what had happened. That's essentially how we
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got here. But I've always had just a passing interest
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in the subject or more than a passing entes in
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the subject leading up to me kind of diving headfirst
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into this study.
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And you know, just to clarify, what he's talking about
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is not the men in black that you see in
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the movies, because these men in black are way creepier
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than Will Smith in the movies by far.
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Yes.
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So you're a board certified physician in internal medicine and nephrology.
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How has that training like really influenced how you approach
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these different experiences and activity.
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Well, that's a great question. Yeah, thank you for asking that.
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I try to take a scientific approach to it. So
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whenever you're like saying, seeing a patient, you want to
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gather data. You take it from the history of what
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the patient tells you that led them into, say the
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hospital or to your clinic. You get lab tests, you
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might get imaging studies, you'll have physical exam findings, and
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you want to put it together into a pattern, and
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you develop a differential diagnosis such as five or six
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things you think it might be. You try to do
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further tests to try to refine it. Then you eventually
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get your diagnosis, and after you've got enough experience, some
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things jump out at you pretty quickly in terms of
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what it is you're dealing with. But that same kind
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of approach I take to UFO cases. Now it's different
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because you don't have the physical evidence or imaging evidence
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as much. To an extent, A lot of it boils
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down to testimony, and you have to decide is this
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person who claimed to see a UFO? Is this testimony
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internally coherent? Is it consistent? Is there any corroborating witnesses
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ideally that reported this thing independently? And in some cases
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you do have sense data like great our data and
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things like that, and I just love to see are
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there more reasons to believe this than not? And some
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cases are overwhelmingly positive in that regard, and some you say,
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there's probably a prosaic explanation of this. Right.
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Well, now, you've been a at least a semi believer
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in this phenomenon for quite a while. But did your
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scientific and medical background initially make you more skeptical of
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the paranormal claims or just more intrigued by them?
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I had learned to kind of set them aside at
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some point, because obviously our academic world is steeped better
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or worse than scientific materialism, which is pretty much what
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you see around us, the matter in front of us
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and so forth, is all that exists. Somehow, that never
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deterred me into disbelieving this, because you know, I just
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I guess I never bought into scientific materialism in full
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for various reasons. So it helps to have an open
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mind if you don't when you study this, it doesn't
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matter how much evidence there is that you're never going
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to be convinced. But I think real science isn't assuming
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the conclusion before before you study it. It's actually looking
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at the data and coming to the best conclusion.
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Yeah, okay, what made you want to write this book
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the metaphysics of UFOs.
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Well, I got all this data whenever I got into
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the subject, and I really thought, and I still waver
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on this to some degree. I thought that it dovetails
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into a book I'd written earlier on aparitional phenomenon spiritual phenomenon.
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It seems to really resonate with that world, and that's
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what got me interested in it, and I wanted to
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eventually write a comprehensi book on all of these different
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phenomena of the lore, the history of it. I talk
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about that a little bit in the introduction. I got
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in pretty early in this research into the Mothman at
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point pleasant and I noticed that there seems to be
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a connection with cryptids and these UAP phenomenon and other
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kinds of paranormal activity. They tend to keep each other's company,
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and so it just really seemed to resonate to a
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larger degree with what I was working on before. So
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I thought, well, why not a second book?
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Yeah? Sure. And one thing that's really interesting is like
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a lot of these cryptid settings that we see. You
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mentioned Mothman also we think of like big Foot of Sasquatch.
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Oftentimes when people see these entities, they do explain some
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sort of light anomalies in the sky that seem to
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appear around the same time. At least that's what we've
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noticed in our research and with the various peoples we've discussed.
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Is that something that you've kind of encountered over the
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years as well as you've researched this topic.
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Well, Stan Gordon's book Silent Invasion is great in that
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regard because he develops or basically presents an immense amount
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of data in Pennsylvania. I believe it was back in
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nineteen seventies, if I got the right date, where there's
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just an enormous amount of sasquatch sightings and an enormous
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amount of UFO sightings that seemed to go together, and
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they culminate in this case at the end that where
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witnesses have missing time, men in Black encounters, UFO encounters,
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really creepy cryptid encounters. Yeah, so I think. And then
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getting back to Point Pleasant, I grew up about forty
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miles away from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where the Mothman
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where all that took place, And that's one reason I
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think I was drawn to that story more than others.
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So I've got John Kill's books, especially the Mothman Prophecies,
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some other works on the Mothman, studied it, and I
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had grown up learning about it, about this crypted I
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never knew that it was associated with all the UFOs, poultrygeice,
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men in Black activity though. Until I studied that was
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that was a real eye opener for me.
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Yeah, my mom grew up in Wheeling, West Virginia, so
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that's kind of what made me think of really wanting
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to pursue the story of the Mothman, just because it
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was from where my mom was from and then wasn't
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far from us in Ohio either. So, now, do you
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believe UFOs are physical objects, spiritual manifestations, interdimensional phenomenon, something
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altogether different, or a combination.
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I think, well, I think yes. It is a short answer.
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There's I do think that they are extra dimensional. I
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want to I want to qualify that in saying that
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that there were times over the last four years if
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you had asked me on the right day, I would
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have probably said extraterrestrial, meaning at least that they come
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from somewhere within our home galaxy or home universe. Yeah.
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So I think there are some good arguments to that effect.
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But while they are in our universe, if I'm right
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that they're extra dimensional or if they're extraterrestrial, they're undeniably physical,
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you know, because they register on radar. There's been so
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many good cases of landing sites where they will land
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leave depressions in the earth once they take off. Scientists
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have studied the studied the ground inside these depressions where
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a flying saucers landed and outside and have noticed the differences.
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So you got that physical data. Whenever they're in the
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vicinity of cars, they'll sometimes they will shut the cars
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down totally, so they'll leave lasting impacts on the environment.
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Most chillingly, they seem to if you get close enough
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to one, they probably mostly inadvertently, will cause physical call
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harm to precipients. Jacques Valet and one of his books,
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he says that there are over nine hundred documented cases
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of people being harmed while in the vicinity of the UFO,
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and usually that takes the shape of some kind of
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radiation damage, the radiation sickness.
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Interesting, that's really interesting. Now, why do you believe that
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traditional ectratrustial or the traditional extratrastial hypothesis doesn't fully explain
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the UFO phenomenon itself.
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I think it doesn't really make sense of a lot
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of the data that we see, if we we've already
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kind of hinted it at some of it. Why do
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they peer around cryptids or a peer around cryptids, although,
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of course, as we know some of the some of
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the cryptid specialists, they're very passionate about their own flesh
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as Surett flesh and but blood interpretation, which I respect,
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and I think a good case could be made from that.
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But then you get to some of these other maybe
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less controversial aspects of pultugeist phenomenon and abductions. When you
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get into the abduction material, that strikes me as more
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of a spiritual experience. I don't think aliens that have
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the technology to travel astronomical distances. I feel like they'd
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be able to get information about us in much more
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subtle ways into having to kidnap us, take us on
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board their ship, and perform these horrifying exams on us.
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So I think now, I do think whatever this phenomenon is,
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it wants us to believe that's what it's doing, that
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it is extraterrestrial. But I think it's more I think
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that's all theater I think it's more spiritual in nature.
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Okay, well, so on that note, than what are your
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thoughts on the different theories that you know, the government
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and these extra trusts or these beings are in cohoots
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with each other, and that there has been kind of
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a hybrid program going for years. Wouldn't that kind of
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denote that maybe they, if there are abductions, maybe they're
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abducting their hybrid children just to make sure they're they're adapting.
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Okay, Yeah, so the hybridization phenomenon certainly it would that
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would seem to suggest more of an extraterrestrial or overtly
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physical phenomenon if there is a hybridization program. I'd answer
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that a couple of different ways. First of all, I
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would say that this hybridization theme is not anything new,
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even to the spiritual realm. When you go back to
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like the Celtic Lands, the fairies, there are cases where
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they are ostensible have hybridization going on or sexual encounters
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amongst these different beings, and they tend to they tend
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to reside from other and other dimensions, at least as
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I understand the Celtic lore right of the fairy. Same
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thing with Middle Eastern gen And then if you go
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back to Genesis six of the Bible, the ancient interpretation,
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which I believe is the correct one, whether you believe
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this is real or not or just simply mythology, you
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have the sons of God, of the Divine Council, who
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basically consorted with human females and produced hybrid children. So
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I would argue, even on a spiritual basis, hybridization is
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not is not impossible. But I'm gonna be a little
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controversial here, and I'm going to say, though I've not
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seen enough evidence that hybridization is actually occurring, whether it's
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a spiritual or an extraterrestrial phenomenon. I know that flies
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in the face of researchers like Dave Jacobs what he's
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what he's in his books, and Bud Hopkins. But I'm yeah,
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I'm not convinced that's happening in any literal physical way. Okay,
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you know, that's fine.
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There was This brings me back to more of a
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Christian aspect of this in a sense. There's a book
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published back in twenty ten called Unholy Communion by an
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author named David Ruffino. Justin had actually interviewed him. I
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was in La at the time and couldn't make it.
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But he basically performed some experiments where he would meet
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with these people who are constantly being claimed to be
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abducted or oppressed by aliens, by extraterrestrials, and he found
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that in his time with them over the course of months,
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that using the name of Jesus would often push these
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alien entities away and these people would no longer be abducted.
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in using prayer and spiritual warfare in combating these entities,
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which kind of takes, you know, kind of brings us
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into this whole spiritual azers. I think it's the first
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time I even heard of aliens or extraterrestrial life possibly
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being extraterrestrial or outside being spiritual in the first place.
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And I just thought it was really interesting because he
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has his whole book is just full of documentation and
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examples of his findings, and it's really really compelling a
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lot of these people. When you think of like alien
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aductions and the stories we hear, people are waking up
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at three am, they're missing time, they're seeing shadow people,
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there's all these other things happening in the process, and
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these are same things that are very very similar when
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it comes to say demonic oppression or spiritual oppression. The
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three am mark, waking up and seeing shadow people, having
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feeling the dread on, having little control of your body,
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sleep paralysis, things like that. So that was very intriguing
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and it just kind of like kind of helps marry
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this idea between the extra trestials and the spiritual and
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thinking back to the nephilo Man genesis six.
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Yeah, you know, I watched interview. There's been a few
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months ago between Ross Coltheart and Jacques Valet, and court
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Art told Valet in the interview neither of them are Christians,
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but he said, maybe the Christians are right. I've talked
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to a number of them who when they've encountered these things,
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they've used Jesus name to expel them, and without exception,
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it's always worked. But kind of looking at that more broadly,
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and Ruffel wrote a book called How to Defend Yourself
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Against Alien Abduction. I think I got that title right,
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or at least it's close. And she talks about nine
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different methods that people have used want to be able
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to ward off an adduction experience, and one of them
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is appealing to religious icons such as Jesus, the Blessed
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Virgin Mary, and she details a few others as well.
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But yeah, it seems like that intention using that spiritual
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power does matter, and again that I think that bolsters
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the argument that this is some kind of spiritual phenomena.
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your maybe you find it in your own research or
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maybe just off of your own opinion, that this phenomena
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adapts its appearance according to the culture's belief systems. Or
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even expectations of the witness itself themself.
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Oh, I think so, I think definitely. Just look at
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our recent history. Now. I know a lot of people
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thought that think that the eighteen ninety seven airships were hoaxes,
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and then there were a lot of hoaxes associated that.
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But Jerome Clark, he has a just an absolutely fantastic
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article in his massive UFO encyclopedia on this. There apparently
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were evidential sightings of that eighteen ninety seven airship, but
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it looked like something you know, from a Jules Verne novel,
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which was which was popular back. So this thing was
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appearing a number of years before before the Wright brothers
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took off from Kiddihawk and the plane, and it would
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just be this kind of long what you'd imagine an
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airship that would have appendages, a big light on the front,
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and people would see it flying over. These would started
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out in California, it got into some of the Midwestern
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towns eventually, and then they just see it taken off,
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just gone in a flash, kind of like modern UFO reports,
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you know, and then they're foo fighters. In nineteen forty
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two World War Two, these orbs that are just flying
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alongside Allied craft and German aircraft. Nobody knew what they were.
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I think are over one hundred documented sightings nineteen forty
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six and Holland they were, or Sweden they were the
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ghost rockets, and a lot of people thought, well, that's
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the Russians messing around with rocket technology. But that didn't
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quite seem to jibe. It seemed to be something very ephemeral.
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And then of course you got Kenneth and find the
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Flying Saucer. So it does seem to track our culture.
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And then I think when you get back into things
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like fairies and and jen some of the stuff I
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mentioned earlier, that kind of goes along with it as well.
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Oh, we actually saw something kind of like that just
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a few years ago, the orbs that were showing up
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and these fighter planes trying to take them down. They
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were trying to use drones to take them down. So
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I think that phenomena is still very much alive today
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too sure from a medical perspective, And I'm very interested
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to hear your answer on this, because it's a question
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that I've never asked anybody. Are there any conditions that
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have to be considered before concluding that someone has experienced
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something paranormal or supernatural in nature.
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Sure, you'd want to know all forms of psychopathy, I
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think especially those that cause hallucinations, because that certainly can
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lead to this effect. There was a book called The
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Abduction Phenomena or if excuse me, the Abduction Enigma, written
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in I believe it's the late nineteen nineties by Kevin
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Randall and then a couple other authors, cone in Estes.
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It was probably the best skeptical book on the abduction
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phenomenon I'm aware of, and they mentioned, for instance, there
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was a lady that was started on a medicine called fluoxetine,
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which is an antidepressant, and then suddenly her abduction phenomena stopped.
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So that's one thing. Then there's the fantasy prone personality.
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Now that's a little tricky. Four percent of people in
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the population have this thing where they really have a
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difficult time knowing fact from fantasy. So they could be
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driving down the road they can see an apparition of
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a child running running out in front of the car
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and not know whether or not they're creating it or not.
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They might slam on the brakes, so they have to
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be really careful. But they have that kind of that
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boundary deficit disorder, so that I think can explain some
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of them. Sleep paralysis, I know, Eric, you'd mentioned that earlier.
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I do think that's a medical phenomenon where you're literally
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half asleep half awake. In those situations, you'll wake up,
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your skeletal muscles will be still be paralyzed because your
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brain is emitting these inhibitory neurotransmitters. So when we dream
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when we're asleep, the reason we don't befo we're running
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in the street during a dream. The reason we don't
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act that out and fall out of bed all the
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time is because our skeletal muscle tone is relaxed by
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these inhibitory neurotransmitters. When sleep paralysis, you wake up, but
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this inhibition is still going on, so you can't move.
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so you're literally seeing your own surrounding environment and you're
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imprinting dream imagery upon it. And sometimes that's where you'll
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people will see these dark, shadowy figures approaching the so
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called demon, setting on the chest, not being able to breathe.
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That kind of thing happens. Now. I will say, I
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don't think all forms of sleep paralysis are merely subjective hallucination,
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though there was a case that Andruffle when a different
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book talks about in the Two Younger Canyon Contacts, where
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two people have this happened to them at the same
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time and they experience very similar imagery, and two people
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aren't going to experience the same hallucination. It's it's very
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unlikely to go into sleep paralysis at the same time.
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So that does seem to be a gateway I think,
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in some cases, probably not most into having an objectively
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real phenomenon. So those are Those are a couple of
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the examples I would use to medical aspects.
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Okay, yeah, so then how do you actually, I guess,
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how do you potentially discern what is one of these
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hallucinations or neurological illnesses versus an actual encounter that someone
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may have exhibited.
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Yeah, so I think if it's a person, say they're
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sleeping in bed and then they say they wake up,
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they're paralyzed. They they have this creature coming towards them.
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Then they sleep paralysis breaks, then they seek out an
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abduction investigator someone specializes this, and.
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You have.
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Probably through confabulation. That is the non deliberate making up
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of a of a of a narrative based on expectation.
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Now the person. The person's not doing this on purpose,
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it's very non deliberate, but they remember it if it's
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as if it's real after the after the hypnotism session.
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So that person I would be very skeptical of had
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an alien abduction phenomenon. I would probably tend to discount
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that there's no way you could do that for sure,
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because there's in theory no reason to think that aliens
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can't come into your house if they have this kind
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of sophisticated technology. But really, what I like to see
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are multi witness cases two or more people that were
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definitely in the awake state. A lot of the early
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cases like Betty and Barney Hill, the Casey County conduction,
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Casey County, Kentucky abduction case where there's multiple people. Because
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there's multiple people, that essentially rules out hallucination. And then
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people that have after effects, whether they're physical traumatic after effects,
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which is very common, and then there's all often a
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lit in the paranormal after effects as well. Those kinds
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of cases I tend to think have some kind of
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objective reality to them.
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Now you mentioned earlier about cases where UFO witnesses or
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encounters have had situations where people have had like radiation
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sickness or poisoning or something like that.
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Have there been.
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Any other reported injuries or symptoms from witnesses that can't
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be explained by ordinary medical causes.
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That cannot be explained? Yeah, I guess it depends on
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the context. You know, Like if you take the cash
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landrom case in Houston nineteen eighty where the two ladies
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get out of the car and they see this kind
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of triangular shaped object. They actually they were Christians, so
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they thought it was a religious vision that it was
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just on fire heat. Betty Cash she got out of
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the car and it just felt like she was being burned,
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kind of having physical burns on her on her skin,
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and had to present to the hospital. I think she
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had two different hospitalizations that was almost a month long combined,
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and just got really sick, ended up indirectly dying of
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complications of what was apparent radiation poisoning. I mean, I
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would say in that case, the context makes it clear
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that even though it was consistent with radiation damage, it
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was caused by whatever this UAP was that she saw.
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If that's what you mean.
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I think.
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Yeah, I don't know of any cases offhand that can't
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be medically explained that it's the context that makes it
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that seems to clearly attach it to a UFO encounter
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in some cases.
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Okay, gotcha, that makes sense. All right, folks, We're going
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One thing that has been very prominent over the last
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couple of years at least, if not longer, but we
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see a lot on TikTok is this idea of parallel
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realities or parallel universes. What kind of evidence suggests that
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UFOs could potentially originate from parallel realities than just a planets.
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I think I think some cases, especially over at Skinwalk
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or Ranch northeastern Utah, you have some situations where people
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saw portals open up. Terry Sherman, going back into the
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probably the nineteen nineties, he reports having seen cases where
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a portal will open up and it's at night where
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he's at in his environment, and it'll be daylight on
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the other side of this portal, and you and they'll
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see He'll he reported UFOs actually coming through this portal.
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Now you now, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a parallel reality.
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It could be it could be on the other side
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of the Earth for all we know, or somewhere across
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the galaxy. But I think that would be one example
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of it, you know. Other than that, I can't think
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of any any physical aspect that I would say argues
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for a parallel reality. But getting back to the paranormal
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effects that seemed to seem to converge on a lot
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of UFO witnesses that we had talked about earlier. To me,
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that's and then in the context of alien abductions. So
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people will sometimes see deceased loved ones some of your
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nuts and bolts. Theorist to argue that that's a screen memory,
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that's a trick of the alien on your mind. Okay, maybe,
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But I think the most straightforward explanation is that these
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things seem to reside from a parallel reality that seems
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to be we're kind of a spiritual denizen.
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Old.
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Now, there's been so many theories out there about how
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these things may disappear, change shape, or move in impossible ways.
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How does theoretical physics help us understand that?
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So that was one argument I thought at the outset,
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and maybe it still is. But I thought the apparent
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defying of physics of these things instantaneous acceleration, you know
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the observables, right, the five six observables leuill iss Ondo's work,
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that would seem to just these things move with such
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speed that in acceleration sometimes that the G forces would
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rip apart any any kind of craft that we have
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right now and the human being inside it, right or
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the occupant inside it. I think though some astrophysicists have
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speculated on the fact that there might be some kind
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of so called warp bubble that these crafts reside in.
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There's been even apparent video photography sense or evidence that
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they kind of see some kind of outline of this.
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It would explain why these ships are able to fly
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at supersonic speeds without without setting off a sonic boom. Essentially,
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it ullys be a warped area of space time that
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they can literally change the space time metric around the craft.
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And who knows what a technology that's or beings that
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are that sophisticated technologically that maybe you have a thousand
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years or even a million years on us. Who's to
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say that they might not be able to accomplish that.
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But astrophysicists like Eric Davis helped put Off, Jim mccatsky
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to name a few, have written a lot of papers
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on trying to reconcile these observables what seems to be
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defining physics in ways that are actually consistent with general relativity.
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So yeah, now a lot of that is speculative, admittedly,
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but what really gives it the ring of truth is
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that some of the maneuvers we're seeing today seem to
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mirror reports that you have back in the nineteen forties
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and fifties back in the Project Sign of Bluebook era.
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So the fact that it seems to be the same
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kinds of maneuvers suggests that it might be It might
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be real physics we're dealing with here. We wouldn't have
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the technology to mimic that today, right, but it does.
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It does have the ring of truth to it.
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Yeah, it's definitely an interesting take, especially with how fascinated
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humans tend to be with this idea of manipulating time51200:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.680
and space, especially when we're talking about space travel and51300:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.839
trying to hit slight speed, for example, in order to51400:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.839
make it across the universe or the known galaxy at least,51500:33:36.000 --> 00:33:41.079
So moving to like this idea of quantum mechanics. Can51600:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.960
quantum mechanics genuinely offer useful ideas for understanding these types51700:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.680
of encounters or is it sometimes just something that's misused51800:33:48.720 --> 00:33:49.960
in pernal discussions.51900:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.200
It may be overused perhaps, but you know, quantum mechanics52000:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.559
the implications of it. I want to say this carefully.52100:33:58.559 --> 00:34:03.279
It doesn't prove a mystical view of the universe exists,52200:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.680
but I think it provides a better framework for it52300:34:05.799 --> 00:34:10.719
than classic New Cootonian mechanics. I think it really makes52400:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.679
it kind of really opens the imagination. But I would52500:34:13.719 --> 00:34:19.840
like to see more speculation on quantum mechanics within the52600:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.679
scientific community. So I think the series of books by52700:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.480
Jim Lukatsky and his first couple books were co authored52800:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.440
by George Knapp and Colin Kellaher and the last two52900:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.519
are written by him. It starts with skin Walkers at53000:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.400
the Pentagon and ends of future Visions. They talk about53100:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.119
a lot about relativity, warp, space, time metric, a lot53200:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.400
of different scientific concepts, just immensely. It's very technical in places,53300:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.039
immensely helpful. I don't know that they talk as much53400:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.840
about quantum mechanics as I would like. What's interesting is53500:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.719
this warp bubble or this so called shield if you will,53600:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.559
if you could build a shield around you or around53700:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.400
a craft that is so strong that it seals you53800:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.920
off from the surrounding environment. And when I say that,53900:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.440
I mean sealing you off from thermal radiation, sealing you54000:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.719
off from air molecules, and sealing you off from photons. Well,54100:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.880
if you're sealed off from photons, that means you're invisible, Okay,54200:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.000
it also means that you'd be put If you could54300:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.000
literally do that, you'd be the Schrodinger's cat thought experiment.54400:35:26.159 --> 00:35:29.599
It would be it would come to life in that craft.54500:35:29.880 --> 00:35:36.000
You would become essentially a superposition of multiple states. So54600:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.639
that would be that would be one thing. Can you54700:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.239
really do it? I think these craft are doing it.54800:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.880
It would be another scientific concept to say or breakthrough.54900:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.320
Can you control your quantum wave function your probability waves.55000:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.800
If that's the case, it may make sense of why55100:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.400
a craft can peer in one place, seemingly go invisible,55200:35:58.760 --> 00:36:03.360
and then appear, say two miles to the northeast of55300:36:03.400 --> 00:36:10.280
where it was instantaneously. I hope that that's halfway COVID. Yeah, okay,55400:36:10.920 --> 00:36:11.559
no for sure.55500:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.480
Can you like and would you say, like like some55600:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.760
of these experiences that people are seeing, Like let's talk55700:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.119
about like the orbs that we've seen in the sky.55800:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.079
You see multiple of them. People often say, oh, there55900:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.760
are multiple of floes. These are three different crafts. But56000:36:26.599 --> 00:36:28.679
with the way you're explaining it, it's almost like these56100:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.679
three light anomalies that people might see, These might be56200:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.599
light orbs might all be the same exact craft appearing56300:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.320
in this three different places based on the amount of56400:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.960
speed that they're using through quantum mechanics.56500:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.239
You mean, if you're seeing three different lights at the56600:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.360
same time, right, right, right, Yeah, I suppose so if56700:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.519
it's moving fast enough, I think if they're stationary, I56800:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.280
would probably go for another explanation. But who knows, Maybe56900:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.039
those three orbs are attached to some other kind of divise,57000:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.880
some other shape that's existing in a fourth spatial dimension57100:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.599
that we're not able to currently access because we live57200:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.119
in a three D world. That makes and there's the57300:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.960
orbs are what's creeping creeping through, but in that fourth57400:37:10.039 --> 00:37:14.480
dimension that's they're they're actually attachless somehow. That's that will57500:37:14.519 --> 00:37:18.440
be speculatives that right, That would that would seem to57600:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.960
fit in theory with string theory, right.57700:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.760
So kind of like the for example of the Phoenix57800:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.000
lights where they were all stationed there. I think there57900:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.000
were six or eight lights. And this is what fascinates58000:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.480
me about that case was that a bird was witnessed58100:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.840
flying into the area that these lights were in pure daylight,58200:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.000
hit the area it was, and then fell to the ground.58300:37:45.440 --> 00:37:48.760
So in that regard, as far as like.58400:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.679
These this particular case, and there have been other cases58500:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.639
like this where you see the lights at night, but58600:37:58.719 --> 00:38:05.039
during the day, there's it's almost invisible. Would that denote58700:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.800
a physical craft and that they have some type of58800:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.519
like light beld, light bending, or hologround technology that would58900:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.239
kind of make them appear invisible potentially.59000:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.000
And I think when you talk about the Phoenix lights,59100:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.519
people would look up against the starry backdrop and is59200:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.760
this these lights were going were passing through that when59300:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.400
they'd look up, they wouldn't see the stars? Right? It59400:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.480
would suggest a solid craft, right right? Yeah, But I59500:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.559
think there's several different speculative ways of looking at that.59600:38:33.639 --> 00:38:37.159
You could they could they again, they could be quiet59700:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.320
hiding themselves inside some kind of quantum envelope where if59800:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.960
you can block out photons or control that you can59900:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.679
become invisible in essence. I wonder too, we only see60000:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.840
four percent of the electromagnetic spectrum. Only four percent is60100:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.480
the visible part of that spectrum. So is it possible60200:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.440
or these UAPs hiding within this other ninety six percent?60300:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.800
And again you get back to skinwalk or ranch. There's60400:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.199
a case where three security officers saw a portal open60500:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.440
and a sasquatch like figure got out and walked off60600:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.519
into the night. They would invest and investigated, and it disappeared.60700:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.800
But most interesting thing about that is that they were60800:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.800
wearing infrared vision goggles to see it, so this was60900:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.800
all and then if they took the goggles off, they61000:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.960
couldn't see anything. It was totally invisible. So that would61100:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.239
suggest that maybe these are these craft or maybe even61200:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.960
creatures associated with them or not are hiding in this61300:39:34.119 --> 00:39:38.199
invisible part of the field. And then the other explanation61400:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.639
would be some kind of meta materials which is able61500:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.079
to just reflect the light, and it seemed totally in61600:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.280
stealth to any observers.61700:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.000
Right, sure, I think that's one thing that I mean,61800:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.400
of all cryptid settings that we're aware of, but it61900:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.119
prominently when it comes to bigfoot. You know, we have62000:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.679
so many videos, so many photos of alleged bigfoot sightings,62100:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.519
and yet all of them are more or less blurry, right,62200:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.159
They're all kind of distorted as something, or if they're62300:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.000
in the video, they're there for a moment and then62400:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.280
all of a sudden they vanish. And so people started62500:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.000
getting this idea that maybe they are extra trestial beings62600:40:13.000 --> 00:40:17.320
and maybe they are spiritual rather than physical creatures living62700:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.880
in our forest somewhere around the world. And of course62800:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.559
there's a lot of evidence or arguments as to why62900:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.679
they might exist in our forest and we just haven't63000:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.119
found them yet. There was just recently a monkey that63100:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.639
was found I believe in Australia that they discovered just63200:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.239
in last week that no one had ever recorded before,63300:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.199
and now they're saying, oh, well, that could exist. Bigfoot63400:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.519
could exist too. But I do find it very interesting63500:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.840
that because of these photos and videos that seem so blurry,63600:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.199
they might have some sort of technology that actually purposely63700:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.159
messes with the waves of the space around us and63800:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.679
the light around us and makes our images blurrdy.63900:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.440
Yeah, same thing, like you said with crypto, is the64000:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.159
same thing with UFOs. You take take a snapshot, the64100:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.760
photons go towards the UFO and it gets it's going64200:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.559
to get reflected in a kind of a messy way64300:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.960
if that space time metric has warped around it, right,64400:41:11.000 --> 00:41:12.960
and so when it returns, it's not going to give64500:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.639
you a clear image of pristine image. So yeah, certainly,64600:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.719
And yeah, I think I don't know the cryptid literature64700:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.239
nearly as well to do the UFO literature. I know64800:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.519
it well enough to be halfway well informed. I would64900:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.559
say and I think I know that the I know65000:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.239
that there are some good arguments for the flesh and65100:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.880
blood aspect of that hypothesis. And again, I wonder something65200:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.280
we had talked about before the show started. I do65300:41:42.400 --> 00:41:47.079
wonder parsemite notwithstanding if there could be a real flesh65400:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.000
and blood aspect, in other words, that they do live65500:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.000
on our earth somewhere and they just haven't been officially discovered.65600:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.000
And yet this phenomenon is also mimicking mimicking them, Okay,65700:41:58.159 --> 00:41:59.679
it could things going on?65800:42:00.079 --> 00:42:11.000
Yeah, what are your thoughts on UFOE encounters? What would65900:42:11.039 --> 00:42:19.880
that suggest about the nature of human consciousness.66000:42:18.159 --> 00:42:23.960
UFO encounters and human consciousness, like as in.66100:42:27.239 --> 00:42:32.400
Are are we kind of making some of this stuff66200:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.039
up as we go along? Like is our consciousness trying66300:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.840
to place things there that maybe aren't necessarily there or66400:42:39.880 --> 00:42:41.320
trying to put an explanation on them.66500:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.119
It's interesting you should ask that because I've been working66600:42:45.159 --> 00:42:48.559
out something in my mind. I haven't quite got it there,66700:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.960
but it reflects some of the research I've done. I66800:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.880
think there's three different forms of paranormal activity. In essence,66900:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.719
I think there's the paranormal activity that we create with67000:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.199
our conscious minds and some people believe. Some people that67100:43:04.239 --> 00:43:09.760
are open to parapsychology but don't necessarily believe in gods67200:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.480
or demons or anything else or UFOs, they believe that67300:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.599
we're essentially worshiping our own unconscious ideas. That's kind of67400:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.719
a depressing view. It's not one I take. Then there's67500:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.559
but I believe there's another category where you really have67600:43:26.880 --> 00:43:33.000
physical say UFOs or or apparitions or other figures that67700:43:33.159 --> 00:43:37.840
actually come into your space time. They're just there and67800:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.199
no matter how many people are there, if there's five67900:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.199
hundred people that happen to be present when it's there,68000:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.360
they're all they're all going to see it roughly the same.68100:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.239
I would imagine the tic tac quap would be something68200:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.719
along those lines. And then I got there's this middle68300:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.599
ground where I think sometimes the phenomena manifest and it68400:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.400
seems to mirror our consciousness. And maybe that's why in68500:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.119
eighteen ninety seven people saw airships and now they're seeing68600:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.079
flying saucers or triangles or tic TACs. Yeah, it just68700:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.320
kind of mirrors our culture. And maybe, you know, maybe68800:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.719
if the young visionaries and not getting like I'm to68900:44:13.800 --> 00:44:18.599
a religious example, young visionaries and Fatom of Portugal. Maybe69000:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.119
if they hadn't been Catholic, maybe who they saw wouldn't69100:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.519
have identified herself as a virgin Mary. Maybe if it69200:44:24.519 --> 00:44:27.440
had been an indigenous tribe, it would have been of69300:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.039
one of the gods of the indigenous tribe that appeared.69400:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.079
You know, I'm certainly open to that possible. That's something69500:44:33.119 --> 00:44:36.239
I'm trying to flesh out. But I also say, in69600:44:36.280 --> 00:44:40.199
regards to consciousness close encounters of the fifth kind, people69700:44:41.039 --> 00:44:45.039
seem to be able in some cases to summon UFOs. Yeah,69800:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.880
I would not recommend that. I mentioned Kathleen Martin a lot.69900:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.079
She in her book Extraterrestrial Contact, mentions a lot of70000:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.440
very dark episodes. She mentions one in depth, but she70100:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.559
said she knows a number of people that have some70200:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.800
of the UFOs, and they've gotten these really malignant attachments70300:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.320
to the manifestations and it was really hard to get70400:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.280
rid of one. One of one of the people that70500:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.239
she discusses was a pilot in the southwestern part of70600:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.639
the United States had ended up dying. WHOA wow, yeah,70700:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.119
O good well.70800:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.480
That and that takes us kind of back to this70900:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.840
whole idea of spiritual warfare too. It's like, be careful71000:45:24.840 --> 00:45:26.679
to what doors are opening because you never know what's71100:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.119
on the other side. And you you know how many times,71200:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.880
especially in our uh i'll say industry that is the71300:45:32.880 --> 00:45:39.079
paranormal and the conversation pareral conversation, we we encounter so71400:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.559
many people who claim to have opened a door, doing71500:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.079
seances or calling upon a spirit.71600:45:44.639 --> 00:45:44.880
Uh.71700:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.679
You playing with the Ouiji board, and then these attachments71800:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.239
stick around and they cause trouble.71900:45:49.679 --> 00:45:49.880
Uh.72000:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.119
And so you're saying that something very similar happens when72100:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.400
people are trying to call upon these UFOs, And yes,72200:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.039
there tends to be That's that's pretty wild and it's72300:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.199
it's interesting to see that connection still.72400:46:00.519 --> 00:46:02.239
Yeah, and to be fair to the other side. Ray72500:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.519
heer Nandez has written a series of great books here recently,72600:46:05.559 --> 00:46:09.800
Beyond UFOs and a Greater Reality. Well, he talks about72700:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.920
a case where he summoned UFOs multiple times and it72800:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.920
seems to not have been the negative experience that these72900:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.519
others have. But I think I just wonder when you73000:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.119
open a door, I don't know if you can be73100:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.000
sure of what's going to walk through it. That's why73200:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.159
I like to study this stuff at a distance. And73300:46:26.679 --> 00:46:30.079
one place I'm really fascinated by, and I mentioned earlier,73400:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.480
Skinwalker Ranch. There a lot of the security officers, the73500:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.079
ned's days, the National Institute for Discovery of Science, billionaire73600:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.159
Bob Bigelow him and his team that went there, and73700:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.719
then the AFSAT Bass days, the government studied program under73800:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.280
Jim Lkatski from two thousand and eight through twenty ten.73900:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.639
Pretty Much everyone that went there during that latter period74000:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.679
of time would take home hitchhikers. They would go, and74100:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.800
then later on, even if they were still staying on74200:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.599
the ranch, sometimes back their homes, their their wives, their74300:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.039
significant others would would experience these like orbs in the house,74400:47:07.639 --> 00:47:13.800
haunting phenomenon poltry geists. I know in one case there74500:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.559
there was a one of the those that went there.74600:47:17.559 --> 00:47:19.719
I think it's a very prominent euthologist. I don't know74700:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.599
if he's gone public. I'm pretty sure I know who74800:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.880
this is, but I can't say it publicly. His wife74900:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.079
would look outside and see these dog men like werewolves75000:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.280
in their backyard. Yeah, so that's not a place. I75100:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.280
don't think i'd want a vacation there. Personal there's some75200:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.800
people with the luck. There's some people that's a lot75300:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.320
braver than me, but I actually like studying the paranormal75400:47:39.679 --> 00:47:40.800
from a safer distance.75500:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.679
Yeah, totally understandable. And I've heard those stories of people75600:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.360
who've somebody something or been on a grounds of paranormal75700:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.039
grounds in which they saw some sort of dog man75800:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.960
or where elf like creatures circling the property. Uh so75900:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.880
that's really interesting. But one thing I do also want76000:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.159
to bring up is this going back to the physical76100:47:59.239 --> 00:48:03.599
aspectical aspect of the UFOs. This is something that reaches76200:48:03.599 --> 00:48:07.800
back to ancient history. We're talking about pictographs in ancient Egypt.76300:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.559
Even the Holy Bible, the Book of Zekiel, talks about76400:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.400
God's chariot and it comes off as a very uffho76500:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.559
ish with the idea of metallic you know, metallic material76600:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.800
and wheels and spinning propellers and things like that. So,76700:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.480
you know, despite the fact that a lot of this76800:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.400
seems to be connected to the spiritual realm, we're still76900:48:28.440 --> 00:48:33.199
seeing very physical things appear as well, which I think77000:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.639
kind of causes us imbalance a little bit, which which77100:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.840
kind of separates people on the subject.77200:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.719
One hundred percent. And that was something I kept struggling with.77300:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.880
I would read all this physical evidence and say okay,77400:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.920
maybe it's extraterrestrial. Then I would read about all the77500:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.000
high strangeness that we've talked about, Say okay, now it's77600:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.320
definitely spiritual, and inductions, at least in my mind, make77700:48:56.360 --> 00:48:59.239
more sense of spiritual. So how do you solve the contradiction?77800:48:59.320 --> 00:49:03.159
And eventually decided, hey, you can't. You cannot take the77900:49:03.159 --> 00:49:08.079
physical and the spiritual as if they are as if78000:49:08.119 --> 00:49:11.320
they are opposites. Yeah, you could be physical and spiritual78100:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.679
at the same time. Now, I'll admit what pushes the78200:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.800
boundary here and it's probably the greatest, the greatest challenge78300:49:19.840 --> 00:49:25.719
to my quote spiritual slash extra dimensional interpretation is the78400:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.280
idea of crash flying saucers that have been collected like it.78500:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.719
I believe Roswell is probably authentic thanks to Paul Blakesmith.78600:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.199
We know Cape Girardo. That's a pretty interesting case of78700:49:39.239 --> 00:49:45.320
a possible crash retrieval. Then, James Fox, Virginia Brazil, I mean,78800:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.000
look at that case. I mean, that's a very solid78900:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.880
case of an actual alien being taken into captivity. Well,79000:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.119
I've never thought of a demon or an angel being79100:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.199
able to be taken into captivity or dying because it79200:49:59.320 --> 00:50:04.519
couldn't breath our error and so forth. So I came79300:50:04.679 --> 00:50:10.039
very reluctantly to the conclusion, tentative conclusion, that the government79400:50:10.280 --> 00:50:15.800
probably has crashed flying saucers, crashed UFOs, and it's miss that.79500:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.800
I don't think the evidence is compelling for that, but79600:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.719
I do think the evidence s fits me in a79700:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.320
position to where I think it's probably the case that79800:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.880
that is true. And I think, getting back to Virginia Brazil,79900:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.760
that really suggests strong evidence that biologics have been taken80000:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.000
by at least the Brazilian government, which in the US80100:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.039
government seemed to be involved in that case as well.80200:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.360
I'll admit that's the biggest challenge to my hypothesis, but80300:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.519
I had to end up concluding that it was the80400:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.920
case because the evidence right now is making me read80500:50:49.960 --> 00:50:50.440
that direction.80600:50:50.760 --> 00:50:50.920
Right.80700:50:54.079 --> 00:50:58.519
Do you believe that humanity is prepared to understand the80800:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.039
truth about this phenomenon?80900:51:03.719 --> 00:51:07.239
Educated? Guess, yes, I'd have to know. I'd have to81000:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.199
know more about it. If I had to guess, the81100:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.320
government knows more than we do all the information that's81200:51:13.360 --> 00:51:18.400
gained in the skiffs, certainly those that have these unelected81300:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.400
so called deep state, if that really exists, and they're81400:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.559
trying to reverse engineer at UFOs, they know more about it.81500:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.400
I would guess that they haven't gotten as far with81600:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.519
the reverse engineering as some claim they have. That's just81700:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.199
my educated guess. There's a lot of people that would81800:51:33.239 --> 00:51:42.199
disagree with that. So, yeah, I think I doubt that81900:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.760
it would be anything earth shattering, you know. I think82000:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.079
proponents of the major religions would find a way to82100:51:49.119 --> 00:51:54.400
integrate this, whether it's extraterrestrial or extra dimensional. But who knows,82200:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.719
maybe there is some secret out there would that would82300:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.039
put the lie to everything we think is reality. That82400:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.400
I can only speculate on whether or not that's the case, right,82500:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.239
But my best guess would be no, it's it's something82600:52:07.280 --> 00:52:08.039
we would integrate.82700:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.639
Yeah, So what do you hope your readers take away82800:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.119
from the metaphysics at UFOs.82900:52:17.400 --> 00:52:21.360
Most importantly, it's you know, I think, really I don't83000:52:21.400 --> 00:52:25.199
care as much about interpretation. I've got mine that I've83100:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.000
As I've mentioned here and elsewhere, all my conclusions are provisional.83200:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.400
I think the most important thing I want people to83300:52:32.400 --> 00:52:36.599
take away is, hey, this is real. It's a real phenomenon.83400:52:36.679 --> 00:52:38.280
I didn't know what I was gonna find when I83500:52:38.320 --> 00:52:42.719
got sidetracked into this area of inquiry. The evidence isn't good.83600:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.800
The evidence for UFOs is not great. The evidence is83700:52:47.880 --> 00:52:52.440
absolutely overwhelming. Yeah, it's as J L and Heinez said,83800:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.400
it's an embarrassment of riches, and he said that decades83900:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.000
ago we got a lot more data. Now there's no84000:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.039
way all this data could be explained away a prosaically.84100:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.119
I think that would that would be my number one takeaway.84200:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.480
Come at it with an open mind, and I would.84300:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.199
I would at least say to my fellow theists out there,84400:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.400
if you believe let's say, let's say let's take Christians84500:53:16.440 --> 00:53:20.599
for instance, So you believe that there was a rabbi84600:53:21.000 --> 00:53:25.159
in thirty a d thereabouts or thirty CE CE the84700:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.239
rate was raised from the dead that exercised demons, that84800:53:29.320 --> 00:53:33.239
perform miraculous healings and so forth. You believe Moses part84900:53:33.280 --> 00:53:36.199
of the Red Sea. You should be open minded to85000:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.960
other kinds of anomaloust phenomena. That doesn't mean it's real.85100:53:40.840 --> 00:53:42.360
You know, you're not obligated to believe it, but at85200:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.760
least be open minded towards it. Cose we're going to85300:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.400
find if you look at the evidence of an open85400:53:46.400 --> 00:53:47.679
minded way it's overwhelming.85500:53:48.000 --> 00:53:52.159
Yeah, right, absolutely, all right. Last question that we always85600:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.239
have for all of our guests. Where can everybody find85700:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.079
you and find your work?85800:53:55.599 --> 00:54:00.039
Yes, I'm on Jonathan Kendall MD dot com. That's a85900:54:00.440 --> 00:54:06.039
d L and I'm on I would go to Llewellen86000:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.760
dot com. My book is available there and it should86100:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.320
be available through your local metaphysical bookstores.86200:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.079
Awesome, awesome, all right, well, Jonathan, thank you so much86300:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.519
for joining us and sharing your research into the physical, spiritual,86400:54:19.519 --> 00:54:23.039
and metaphysical nature of UFOs. We really appreciate you being on.86500:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.480
Thank you very much for having me. It's been an86600:54:25.519 --> 00:54:26.559
honor and a privilege.86700:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.719
All right, Paratruthers. So we asked the Paratruthers community group,86800:54:31.000 --> 00:54:34.519
what do you believe UFOs are? Well, twenty two percent86900:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.239
of you said they are physical crafts from another planet,87000:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.199
eleven percent said they are visitors from another dimension. Another87100:54:41.239 --> 00:54:45.239
eleven percent said that they are spiritual or consciousness based phenomena,87200:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.239
and of course one percent said there's no such thing87300:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.400
as UFOs or UAPs. There's always that one percent, always87400:54:51.400 --> 00:54:51.960
that one percent.87500:54:52.239 --> 00:54:54.920
I found if kind of fascinating that somebody even said87600:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.719
being in the Paratruther community. One percent said it's not87700:54:59.280 --> 00:54:59.679
the at all.87800:55:00.280 --> 00:55:04.360
Yeah, well, as always, guys, tell us if this episode87900:55:04.400 --> 00:55:06.960
change your mind, either in the comments or email us88000:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.440
at Paratooth Radio at email dot com, or even leave88100:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.320
us a voice message on our website at paratooth dot com.88200:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.320
And if it didn't change your mind, tell us why.88300:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.679
We'd love to know your opinions, thoughts, and any evidence88400:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.480
that you're willing to share. Absolutely, some trooths are hidden88500:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.079
in the dark, and we're here to bring them to light.88600:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.280
So until next week, will you'll find us at the88700:55:25.280 --> 00:55:26.760
same time on the same channel.88800:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.400
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