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What if spirit communication isn't rare but misunderstood? Tonight we're
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asking the questions most people are afraid to ask. Are
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signs from the other side real? Can anyone communicate with spirits?
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And how do you explore this safely without inviting fear
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or chaos into your life? Welcome we well do para Truth.
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What's up everybody? And welcome to Paratruth Reborn. My name
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is Eric and I'm Justin and today we are talking
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to Sterling Moon about her book Llewellyn's Little Book a
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Spirit Communication. Now. Sterling Moon is a full time heals
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on the ground, tarot reader, second medium, folk magician, animal communicator,
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published author, podcaster and educator on the mystical and the strange.
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She's the author of Talking to Spirits, a Modern Medium's
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practical advice for Spirit Communication, which came out in twenty
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twenty three, and of course Llewellyn's Little Book a Spirit
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Communication which came out just this past year in twenty
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twenty five, which was of course published by Llewellyn Books,
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and you guys all know lluwell In Books. She has
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several self published works as well, and more formal titles
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on the way. Sterling has been working with clients and
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teaching professionally since twenty thirteen. She started a school called
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the Sterling Moon at Divination Academy in twenty twenty one.
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It offers classes around the country. Sterling also spent twenty
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years as a professional advocate for victims and survivors of
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crime in Wyoming, Minnesota, and Colorado, and she holds a
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master's degree in advocacy and political leadership. Sterling, Welcome to
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Paratruth Radio, or so glad to have you.
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Reborn to be bornety born.
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I always we always make that mistake. We will forget
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about that.
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Transition we made of a year and about I think
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it almost threw the one.
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Yeah, we're excited to have you on, and we we've
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been Uh, I've had this in our calendar for quite
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a while, so I'm always looking for Okay, this one's
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gonna be an interesting one. But before we get started,
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kind of want to just give you the opportunity to
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kind of tell people beyond what I already shared, the
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just who you are and kind of what you do
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on a daily basis.
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Well, I mean that's kind of you. You got the
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highlights of what I do professionally. But you know, I
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live in Colorado, I'm a I'm a mom. I you know,
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I'm a partner. I I don't know. I'm just kind
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of like, I'm a professional weirdo, professional weirdo. And I
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always say that even if I weren't doing this as
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a job, which this was never the plan. I mean
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I kind of always joke that I thought I was
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going to be running a nonprofit by now, and it
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just this work just kept getting bigger and bigger and
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kept getting more and more of my heart. But even
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if it's there comes a point where it's not my job,
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I'm still just going to be really passionate about spirit
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communication and magic and wandering around haunted places with my
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friends and oh, thank goodness, there's a cat here. I'm
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assuming that was a mat I'm not digging of that,
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or we have some really spooky stuff already happening.
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I mean, Eric has a lot of spooky stuff in
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his house too, So.
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Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. I'm very grateful.
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I have a little black kiddy named Poe. She is
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a kitten still, and she's an absolute menace. But she
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tired herself out and so she's sleeping, which I'm really
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grateful for. Otherwise we would have a whole other set
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of problems here. But yeah, I don't know that. Probably
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that pretty much.
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Covers it all, right, Well, it's always awesome to like,
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you know, have a passion and be able to make
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a living off of that.
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That's pretty cool. So congrats on that.
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Hey, thank you. It's grateful every day.
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Yeah, and you do a lot, like more than a
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lot of people do.
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So the what I put I corruct I attribute that
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to is I want to have a lot of energy.
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And you know, I will say my parents growing up
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I were silversmiths. They were hence the name Starling. But
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so I you know, watched my parents. They were professional artists,
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and you know you kind of just having that as
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a model of like watching them do all the things
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until my dad passed away in two thousand and one.
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But it definitely kind of like gave me an idea
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of like, oh, that's what running your own business is like.
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But also I spent so long, like getting up at
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like thirty in the morning to practice magic or practice
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spirit communication and you know, or take classes with you know,
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teachers from around the world, and by the time I
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got had the privilege of being able to do this
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as a job. I was like, I don't want to
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waste any more time, Like I just want to hit
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the I want to do all the things I want
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to do as much as I can while I can.
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So well, I'm a huge fan of the show Archer,
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So when Sterling came up, and Sterling Archer, I'm like,
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oh my god, I get this woman.
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Yeah, so yeah, Sterling Archer was the best character. Love that.
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M So, what made you want to write this book?
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Well, this one, I will say, was kind of this
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opportunity was handed to me. I which that's like not
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the fanciest of explanations, but uwell and asked me if
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I would write the Little Book of Spirit Communication for
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their Wonderful Little Book series. I think there's twenty or
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twenty one books in the in the series so far,
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and had I wrote Talking to Spirits like I love
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to write, Like this is like being able to be
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a published author is like my fulfilling a childhood dream.
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And Talking to Spirits was like that that book that
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I was like, if this is the only one I
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get to write, I will be happy. And I've heard
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other published authors say that your first book is kind
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of like the first pancake. You know, when you're making pancakes,
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they're kind of like the first one is always a
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little too buttery, and it's a never quite perfect, but
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you love it anyway. That's kind of how I feel
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about talking to spirits, and so I was really excited to,
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you know, have I was really excited at the idea
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of writing a concise introduction to spirit communication until I
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sat down to write it. Thirty five thousand words is
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pretty short for a book, and because it literally is
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a very little book, and it turns out being concise
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is hard, especially because I wanted it to be something
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that would be a good fit for somebody if this
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was the first book on spirit communication they ever picked
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up on. And I talked about this in there that
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I often see that there's kind of four doors that
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people come through when they are interested in talking to spirits.
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And so you have people that they had their survivors
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of grief and lost, you know, they they've lost someone
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and they want to try to talk with them. You
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have like, you know, magical folks you have call it,
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I call us natural mediums. Where you couldn't avoid the
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presence of spirits if you tried, and then you have
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the paranormal folks. And I really do think that all
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of us can benefit from a pretty like a good
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well rounded baseline of information. So that was the tactic
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that I took with little book, and I'm pretty happy
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with it.
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Cool. So, so this book really is for across the
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spectrum of beginner, experienced practitioners and just those sort of curious.
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It's really for anybody, right, I mean, that's the that's
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the goal. I mean.
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One of the things that I really enjoyed was getting
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into like some of the history, like telling a lot
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of my favorite stories, getting into some of the lore
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and some of the terms that we all use, and
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kind of discovering maybe some of the ways that things
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have gotten misconstrued or little mixed up over time. Like
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one of the examples that I gave was like this
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the stone tape theory, which I had always grown up
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hearing that you know, oh, that's like the idea that
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brick or limestone or quartz can really you know, soak
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in and amplify energies, right, and so, but then to
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find out that it actually was the name of a
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BBC special in the seventies that came out on Christmas Day,
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and uh yeah, just to find out that and and
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to see that this is like something that kind of
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it is morphed into something different, and so little little
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stories like that have been kind of fun to bring
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up to.
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Now for those that don't know what is spirit communications, Corey,
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you know, beyond of you know, the fictional movies and
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TV shows and stories and stuff like that.
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I mean, that's a good I mean, that's kind of
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like a hard one to put in. It's like such
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a simple question and it's also kind of hard to
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like say succinctly. I mean, it's the idea of first
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you have to talk about what is a spirit? So
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first of all, you have to talk about what is
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a spirit? Right? I think most of us, like when
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I first, you know, started getting curious about these weird
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experiences I was having. I I really started thinking about
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you know, it was like for me, it was like guides,
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like spiritual guides, gods and ghosts like those I was
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I say, the three g's were like the only things
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that I was really interested in. And as I started
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getting deeper into this, I'm like, wait, it seems like
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there are you know, there's all this folklore and these
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different types of experiences that people are having out in nature.
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not everything is. I am of the belief that much
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like much like everyone that is out in the in
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the world, most folks are pretty good, some aren't, and
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that includes the spirit world. So there are those darker energies.
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There's also I think that there's room within this like
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spirit communication bucket for you know, cryptids and you know,
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incidents of high strangeness and extraterrestrials and things like that,
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those types of visitations and so kind of like first
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of all, it's like thinking about what is a spirit
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and then really it's just figuring out how to talk
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to those spirits. And most of the time it's not
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going to be through our five primary senses. It's also
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going to be involving our psychic senses, which are also
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sometimes called the Claire's.
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There's this for decades, people who believe that cryptids and
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primarily we'll talk about Bigfoot in this case was it
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physical or is a physical being? But it almost seems
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like because we have yet to find any true hard evidence,
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people are starting to shift to this, well, maybe it's
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spiritual or maybe it's extraterrestrial. Do you think that that
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is a legitimate belief or possibility or do you think
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that people who have been so strong hung on the
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physical aspect because of not getting it, they have no
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choice but to be like, oh well maybe in that
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case it's this, even if they don't really believe it themselves.
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So I'm going to apologize first to the flesh and
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blood community out there, Like, I know that probably what
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I'm gonna say is going to really tick you off.
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But I here's the thing. I don't know if it's
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I just think it's all really fun, Like it's so
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fun to think about the possibilities and my favorite So
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I will also back up and say, so my mom
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and my stepdad. My stepdad is a hoot. So he
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worked and he did like financial consulting, and he lived
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and worked in something like seventy two different countries over
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the course of his career. And one of the things
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that he was really interested in was the monster of
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the world. And so he would you know, he's in
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Africa and you know, learning about a nanci and you know,
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like this the spider god and you know, he's getting
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to be in Nepaul and getting to learn about the
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Yetti and so anyway he ends up he and my
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mother end up getting together in like the mid two thousands,
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and my mom is also my parents were silversmiths until
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my dad passed away, but my mom is also a
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visual artist. So they get together and they start like
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doing illustrations of all kinds of like monsters. So that's
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also like another and as a family, we really love
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to go to like you know, we love to go
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to haunted places and stuff like that, and so I
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kind of came up with just uh, cryptids were always
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a part of my life for the past, like you know,
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twenty years. And my favorite like just to use uh,
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just to use Bigfoot as an example. My favorite story
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or theory with Bigfoot is that he they're realm walkers
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in a very similar way that the Fay are realm
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walkers or you know Tommy Knockers or which you know
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those are. We have a lot of lore of those
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in Colorado out in our minds, and so I just,
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also love the theory that what if Bigfoot is like
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these are just ghosts of like really really old beings.
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Like that's again, who knows. It's very fun to think about.
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Though again I'm very sorry to your flesh and blood
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community out there who is possibly seething.
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So Tommy Knockers did something more than just a Stephen
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King book, then oh.
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Yeah, oh my god, I would love to tell you
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about the time. So so yeah, out here in Colorado,
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you know, in our gold and in our gold mines,
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which you know, Colorado has a very bloody, hard history,
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like a lot of like I mean really our country
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has a pretty for We have a very interesting history
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in this country. And so you know the mines. We
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had the gold rush in the late eighteen hundreds, and
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we have these towns that were like nothing and then
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they you know, blew up to you know, tens of
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thousands of people and then it was this boom and
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bust type of thing. But we had a lot of
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immigrants that came over from Cornwall and from Ireland, and
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so one of the things that you know, the first
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incidents that I've heard of of Tommy Knockers being referenced
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in the United States were Cornish miners in the Pennsylvania
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Coal mines, and by the time, you know, they start
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coming out to Colorado, you start hearing about these stories
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of these beings in the minds and if you're nice
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to them, they'll be helpful. They you know, there's stories
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of the miners that they would give like a little
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bit of their food as an offering, and you know,
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stories of getting tipped off when something was wrong in
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the mines. But if you were a jerk, sometimes the
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Tommy Knockers were not so nice. And you know, it's
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kind of that interesting theory too, of like, you know,
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worthy spirits that were here that are just similar to
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maybe what the you know, these immigrants from Cornwall were
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experiencing in their homeland, and you know, you just bring
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a familiar name over to like these, you know, to
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what you're finding in your new country. Or do we
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bring our spirits with us as we travel? You know,
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that's another fun thing to think about. But yes, much
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more than a Stephen King novel. And there's also a
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brewery called Tommy Knockers in one of our towns. Well, now,
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shifting back to the book, I will say that was
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then both of those are in there, so I technically
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didn't take it's off too far.
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Well, now we have, like just in the people that
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we've talked to, you know, there tends to be a
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grand number of people who tend to experience signs of
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the spiritual, and yet they continue to doubt themselves on
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what they're seeing or what is actually out there. Why
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do you think that so many people who experience with
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these signs do continue to doubt themselves despite those signs
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being so prominent.
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Well, I mean, especially if it's like I mean, it
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sometimes depends on who the sign is coming from. One
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of the examples I gave in the book was from
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a friend of mine named Mandy, and Mandy and I
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worked together for god like twelve years. She always toad.
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She'll still introduce my meetings be like she was my supervisor,
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and I'm like, no, babe, you were unsupervisable. She's like,
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absolutely unsupers. But I knew her kids from the time
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that they were little, and heartbreakingly, her son Jaden and
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his best friend Ryan died in a car crash. God
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it'll be four years I think this coming October. And
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one of the examples that I put in the book
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was for Bandy, you know, was coming up with kind
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of a language of when she because I mean her
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those boys are strong like they are, they are loud,
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but it took her a really long time to believe
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because you know, she went through the I mean, there's
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few griefs, there's few kinds of grief out there that
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are deeper than that a parent that loses a child.
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And the the thing that she will often experience is
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a heads up dime. And she she started to give
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it like a I'm doubting that you can hear me.
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I want to find a heads up dime within like
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a certain timeframe. I can't say that there's ever been
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a time that he's left or hanging. And it's pretty
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funny because when I ask permission to include that example
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in the book within like I think it was like
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fifteen minutes I found a heads up dime, like and
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like on the floor of a hotel lobby. She was
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was really strange experience. But so I think sometimes it's
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just that deep grief and that you know, worry of
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like and also two people start to worry like am
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I going to turn into that person that see signs
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in everything? Because that's a different kind of problem, you know,
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like not every song that comes on the radio, is
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maybe a sign from your loved one. I think that
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signs sometimes, like you know, from guides or people that
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work with like deities. You know, sometimes I work with
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a lot of students who sometimes it feels like a
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deity or a more divine spirit is trying to like,
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you know, get their attention, and that can be also
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a true So I don't know, it's I think sometimes
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it's like that. Also, it's hard to open yourself up
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to that life might be more magical and mystical than
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we want to believe, because it's hard out here, you know,
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it's hard out here in the day to day.
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So I don't know.
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That's a really good question, and I don't have a
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simple answer.
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So we've asked people, a lot of people about this,
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and the majority of the time we get the same answer.
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But I do feel that it has to do with
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your belief system and whatnot too. But you know, can
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anybody communicate with spirits or do you have to be like,
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as an example, a medium or a psychic.
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I'm probably going to tell you something you've heard before.
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I think some of I think there are some of
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us that we just we come into this world with
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those senses dialed up. I also, I do. I've met
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a lot of other people who do what I do,
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who also have been through some stuff, you know. I
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it's an interesting thing, like the number of people who
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have these You know, it takes a while sometimes before
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you can think of them as gifts. Sometimes it just
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seems like a lot a liability. Oftentimes, you know, we're
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a crew of people where we've been through some things,
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and sometimes these gifts are fairly hard one. But what
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you probably have heard the most is that yes, anyone
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can train, you know, right, like it's a it's like
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going to the gym, and like, you know, do you
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build up strength over time? Anyone can start with psychic
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development work, and I think everybody should start with psychic
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development work because number one, it's can be really fun.
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And also those are the skills that you need to
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have strong in order to be able to have spirit
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communication is really nuanced, and so you really do want
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to be able to like perceive those subtle cues. But
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so I think psychic development is the thing that anyone
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can start with. And then of course you can always
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try mediumship, and you know, for some people it's tougher.
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It's a tougher road, and for some people it's a
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lot easier and I don't And that just seems to
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be in the same way that some people have just
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a knack for playing the violin or for athletics, and
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we all come in with, you know, some level of
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baseline talent. But that's that's what I that's what I think.
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Okay, fair enough, and yeah, that's typically the answer we get.
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But a lot of people don't believe in this stuff,
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so they think that it's oh, you know, a medium
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or a psychic. They've been training for years or they
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were born that way, and I can't do that. I can't,
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I can't go in, or I don't want to, And
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that is more of a common one is I don't
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want to. I don't want that, and fair enough to
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a lot of those people, I.
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Don't want to open that door. That's that's the thing
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that I probably hear the hear the most, and it
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always cracks me up to when like my like some
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of my tarot students or you know, people who they
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read tarot cards and maybe they have their ancestor altar
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in their house and do a little candle magic here
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and there. But when it comes to talking with spirits,
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I don't want to open that door. And I always saying,
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I'm like, I need to tell you, but the doors,
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you're already already doing it.
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A lot of people believe those tools are are nothing
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more than just that, and in reality is yes, they
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are tools, but there's more to it.
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What's you're thinking, Yeah, absolutely? Do you find some when
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it comes to your students. Do you find that they
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don't want to open those doors because it's like a
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burden or because it's out of fear that they want
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to try to keep those things closed.
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So a lot of people come to me because they
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had a lot of like spooky experiences when they were younger,
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or they've had experiences over the course of their life.
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And it's funny, I have like a few different camps
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of people that often find me. So I have a
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lot of students who will come to me that will
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say I was really really open when I was younger,
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and then usually it's either something happened or it got
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too much, and so I actively worked to shut it down.
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And now I feel like there's something missing in my
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life and I want to try to open that back up.
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So that's kind of one group of folks. I often
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have a lot of people who are, you know, getting
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over some spiritual wounding. I have a lot of people
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that you know, grew up in really haunted houses when
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they were children, but they also lived in a deeply
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like monotheistically religious home, and we're told that's not real
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or it's all demon like, it's demonic, even though you're
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telling me that you saw Grandma and it was really
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nice and you know, so it was a confusing experience.
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So sometimes people come to kind of like re establish
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what they believe spiritually, which I think that's pretty cool
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to be able to kind of make your own way
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and kind of figure out what you believe as an adult.
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I think that's a pretty neat thing. And then sometimes
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I have people who come to me where they're like,
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this stuff is happening all the time, and I just
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I feel like I can't get any peace, and I
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need boundaries and I need like I need to be
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able to figure out what to do with this. So
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those are like the three kind of main groups of
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folks that I get as my students.
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Okay, it's always interesting, like to meet different people and
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see how they react, especially to past circumstances. So then
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you have like me and Justin who've experienced some pretty
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scary things where you're kids, and instead of being afraid,
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we're like, dive deeper, let's go far, Like what's happening.
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We've done some or had some scary things as adults too.
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I yeah, I'd love to hear about it, like what's
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your like, what's your favorite? Like what got you guys
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into this?
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Well? I I got started, and me and Eric kind
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of have a similar situation where, you know, I always
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had a a interest in this stuff. I got into
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Ouiji board at the very I shouldn't say very young age.
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I was a teenager tarot cards, and then you know,
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I was doing Ouiji board sessions with different people in
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my family, and we eventually got some really dark answers.
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So we're like, nope, nope, nope, we're putting that away.
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We're not doing that anymore. And then, uh, later on
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in life, Eric and I started talking about this stuff regularly.
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You know, we'd have a beer on the campfire and
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just start talking about this stuff. And we were watching
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shows like Supernatural, ghost Hunters stuff like that, so we're like,
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you know, what maybe we should start a paranormal investigation team.
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And on top of that, there's got to be somewhere
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where you could do like an online radio show. We
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had never heard the word podcast ever at that point
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in our lives. So we started Night Soccer's Paranormal Society
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and Nice Soccer's Paranormal Radio and it eventually turned into this.
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But in the meantime, I opened myself up to psychico mediumship.
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And you know, over the years, I've kind of felt
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certain family members were that way. They just didn't realize
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it or didn't talk about it.
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Yes, yeah, oh that's so awesome. I've heard Okay, that's
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I love it, love to hear it.
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Yeah. And then on my side, like very similar to
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j Justin grew up with Wiji board and you know,
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playing around mostly you know, not knowing where Wigi board
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really was. But I also grew up in a haunted house.
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The houstin I'm currently living in is a family home.
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I grew up here. My mom grew up here, so
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my grandparents owned it. It's sixty years old and when
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my mom was growing up here and we didn't I
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didn't know this until I was already about sixteen years
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old before her and my uncle finally spilled the beans,
482
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if you will, Because you know, growing up, me and
483
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my sisters had always witnessings. We'd hear footsteps, you know,
484
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someone walking upstairs in the middle of the night, or
485
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would see shadows, light, flickering, doors being opened and shut
486
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:19.319
by themselves, and my mom was always no, no, it's nothing.
487
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:23.559
It's not really to welcome parents, there's nothing there. And
488
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then when we were sixteen, it was like in the
489
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:28.680
year's eve and my mom and my uncle were talking.
490
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They started talking about dose encounters in this house when
491
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they were children, and like my me and my sister's overheard.
492
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.480
We what And I was like, oh, yeah, like everything
493
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.079
you've been seeing the same thing. We've seen weird kids
494
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.759
growing up. So I grew up in a notoriously haunted house.
495
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And then when I moved, we moved out of here
496
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.079
in two thousand and four, went to another city and
497
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.680
we had a little haunting there when my family had
498
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.559
always see this blue orb floating around the house. We
499
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:57.480
never knew where it was or who it was, but
500
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we would all witness it at the sand exact time
501
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.000
or at different times, and so that was kind of
502
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.400
like the introduction to like this is interesting. But then
503
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right before, right around the time we started the podcast,
504
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I dimped into a little book known as the Lesser
505
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Key of Solomon.
506
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Just that just a little, just a little something, a
507
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little night tall and you were wanting to be a
508
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demonologist at that point too.
509
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:24.960
I was, but I didn't know what I was getting into.
510
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:30.000
I opened some doors that got fit, just burst wide open,
511
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and I fell into three months into modical pressure. I51200:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.720
started off with some just typical visions, like just not51300:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.880
typical but hoopy visions as I'm falling asleep, and then51400:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.680
that turned into nightmares, then shifted in the night terrors51500:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.559
and like I remember seeing these giant, like seven foot51600:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.480
shadows that would walk around my house midday and they51700:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.119
would just stand in the hall and stare at me.51800:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.359
Or I'd wake up and they're at the bottom of51900:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.640
the you know, the end of my bed. And one night,52000:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.400
like I it cost so vividly. My parents had a52100:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.519
dog who was she's like a like a black lab52200:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.720
and they have wood floors and you would always hear52300:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.599
her walking because you could hear the nails clicking on52400:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.400
own wood floor. So I was laying in bed and52500:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.240
there's like, my door is always shut, and there's a52600:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.640
little night light on the wall outside of my door52700:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.240
in this hallway, and so I hear the clipping, the52800:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.519
clicking on the door on the floor, and I'm like,52900:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.079
I lean over to see her shadow pass by, but53000:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.240
it stops at my door, and I'm waiting, and I'm waiting,53100:28:29.279 --> 00:28:30.960
a wait, she doesn't pass And then all of a sudden,53200:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.880
there's just this deep guttural growl in my face at53300:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.440
the side of my bed, and it was like from there,53400:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.160
thing's just escalated real fast. But yeah, it kind of53500:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.839
got moved deeper into this whole understanding of the dark53600:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.400
side of the paranormal and the spiritual world. Yea. And53700:28:47.519 --> 00:28:52.880
it took, you know, some overcoming. It took some intervening53800:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.480
of the Lord to step in and help me out53900:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.799
with some things. Yeah, you know, but it opened my eyes.54000:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.319
It helped me realize that there are people who've gone54100:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.200
through things. I've met some more people since then who've54200:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.960
gone through very similar things, who can't explain, who don't54300:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.400
understand that Easter, were fearful of it. But I've been54400:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.759
able to use my story to help them overcome their54500:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.279
own You know. Yeah, so then that's where I kind54600:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.960
of step in on this show. It's like I kind54700:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.759
of have this whole not a whole different, but slightly54800:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.480
different viewpoint where it's like I very much believe and54900:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.079
have witnessed the good. Yeah, but I think some people, unfortunately,55000:29:28.119 --> 00:29:29.799
some people focus so much on the good that they55100:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.960
kind of let the guard down the.55200:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.160
Love and light. You can't let love and light just55300:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.160
kind of like, you know, make you stupid, is the55400:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.799
way that I often think about it, and you know,55500:29:39.920 --> 00:29:44.480
and that's man, I always like, I think that's one55600:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.759
of the things that I do caution people with is that,55700:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.720
like I do think that you know, keeping the more55800:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.079
joy you can bring into this type of practice, I55900:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.400
do think there is an element of that that does56000:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.160
keep you safe, you know, because if like the way56100:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.000
that I often will go in to like at Haunted Space,56200:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.119
like I have a retreat that I will hold for56300:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.440
people that have studied mediumship with me for at least56400:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.359
seven weeks, so you know, we have like a shared56500:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.799
foundation of of you know, knowledge and kind of like56600:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.799
a shared language. That program is called Modern Mediums, but56700:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.200
then usually annually so far I'll rent a Haunted Space56800:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.680
I'll rent like a haunted hotel or you know, something56900:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.319
like that. Like this past year we were at the57000:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.680
Oliver House in Bisbee, Arizona. The year before that we57100:30:24.759 --> 00:30:29.960
were at the Stanley and their their lodge. But you know,57200:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.880
it's it's one of those things where I kind of57300:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.559
will go into these spaces, whether it with you know,57400:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.359
I want to make friends, but I also have good boundaries,57500:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.400
like in the same way that if I'm going out57600:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.559
with my friends for the night, I'm not going to57700:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.359
just be like, you know, telling everybody that I meet57800:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.720
where I live. You know, this is like here's here's57900:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.519
how you find me. Here's like, oh my god, let's58000:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.359
keep in touch. And so you know, there is like58100:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.839
you do have to like have some street smarts and58200:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.599
some common sense and also like intervening quickly, you know,58300:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.400
because that stuff can get That's one of the things58400:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.519
that I if there's probably one bit of pro bono58500:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.680
work that I do the most, it's people that will58600:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.240
they have those types of attachment issues. And the number58700:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.000
of people that I've met who are walking around with58800:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.400
things that have been going on for ten years, fifteen years,58900:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.599
and it just breaks my heart, you know, because it's59000:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.799
like it doesn't have to There are remedies, So I59100:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.880
thank you for sharing that, both of you. Those are59200:31:22.039 --> 00:31:23.119
I love hearing your stories.59300:31:24.039 --> 00:31:28.039
Yeah, I mean there's so much more, but yeah, obviously59400:31:28.200 --> 00:31:32.319
we have limited time. So I mean, yeah, I've had59500:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.400
those different encounters of seeing what I thought was my59600:31:36.519 --> 00:31:41.359
dad in the doorway and to give him a hug Banish.59700:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.200
We've told this story multiple times. We have the opportunity59800:31:46.400 --> 00:31:51.359
to do a investigation at Jeffrey Dahmer's home in Bath, Ohio.59900:31:51.400 --> 00:31:59.160
It's where he grew up. Had some interesting experiences there60000:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.920
which where I was touched, somebody saw a floating torso60100:32:03.039 --> 00:32:07.000
not on our team, another team. So there's been I60200:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.880
mean tons and tons since we've started this journey.60300:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.559
It's never your life is never boring. When this is60400:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.519
your hobby or your job, you know, whatever, it is60500:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.519
like never you will never be bored. That's actually one60600:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.960
of the things that I did put in Little in60700:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.160
the Little Book is like you get into this like60800:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.960
you have something to do anywhere you go.60900:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.319
Well, and I'll tell you what it's like Justin and I.61000:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.200
Over the years, so we've been doing this what like61100:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.880
twenty some odd years total, two thousand and six, Yes,61200:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.119
two thousand and six, one of years. Right. So, but61300:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.839
it's like we've at times have walked away, we shut61400:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.480
down the podcast, like we're done, we don't want to61500:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.039
do it anymore. And it doesn't take long, a couple61600:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.359
of months a year at tops, and then some somehow61700:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.640
we get drag right back in and we have a61800:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.400
new podcast about it. And said, every time we walk away,61900:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.480
there's something that pulls us back and say, you know,62000:32:55.160 --> 00:32:56.200
let's just stay this time.62100:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.400
Say your work is not done with you. Right. Well.62200:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.359
I think the big issue though, too, is when you're62300:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.920
doing something like this, especially just a podcast, you're not62400:33:05.039 --> 00:33:11.000
in the field, the the topics start to get stale62500:33:11.079 --> 00:33:15.279
and stagnant, where it's kind of the same thing over62600:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.519
and over again. It's answers over and over again. So62700:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.799
it our ultimate goal with coming back was to try62800:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.319
and not let that happen again.62900:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.799
Yeah, and there are and I mean the good news63000:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.920
is there's a lot of there's a lot of weird63100:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.960
stuff and weird people doing cool things, and so I63200:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.039
hope you find all of them. I'm grateful that I63300:33:38.079 --> 00:33:38.839
get to be one of them.63400:33:38.960 --> 00:33:44.759
So well, you appreciate you Yeah, So getting back to63500:33:45.039 --> 00:33:50.160
to the the stuff in the book again, probably heard63600:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.440
the same thing from everybody, but I'd love to have63700:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.000
your take on it. What is like the common or63800:33:56.079 --> 00:34:00.359
most common mistake people make when trying to communicate, even63900:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.359
more so when they open themselves up.64000:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.119
I think a lot of it is like it starts64100:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.839
with a like you've got to know what you're bringing64200:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.519
to the table. So I I think that, like and64300:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.760
I see this like, I'm gonna also draw some parallels64400:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.039
with like divination. You know, I always like joke that64500:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.480
like taro was like the gateway, it's like the gateway drug,64600:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.679
like the gateway drug for all the spooky stuff. But64700:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.800
you know, I will and I've been guilty of this too,64800:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.599
Like when you sit down to do a taroor reading64900:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.960
when you're like hyped up or you're you know, you're mad,65000:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.119
you're you're upset, or you're excited, you often just get65100:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.360
reflected back like what you're feeling, and then sometimes what65200:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.599
you see it doesn't come to pass. And one of65300:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.159
the things that I like have found really helpful with65400:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.199
divination that I think translates really well to spirit communication65500:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.920
is like taking like it like taking stock of what65600:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.639
is going on around me, what is like, how is that?65700:34:53.880 --> 00:34:53.960
How?65800:34:54.119 --> 00:34:55.880
What's going on in my body? What's going on in65900:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.360
my mind and in my emotions, and then doing something66000:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.039
consciously to release that. So I'm like a new It's66100:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.239
like I want to be like beige, you know, I66200:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.679
want to be like neutral canvas. And because I think66300:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.280
that with spirit communication that gives you the ability to66400:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.039
like be really, you're gonna notice, like if I really66500:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.280
take stock of how my body is feeling, and then66600:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.559
I notice that, Like for me, one of my tells66700:35:19.639 --> 00:35:21.400
is that my head starts buzzing, like I get like66800:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.679
an itchy feeling in the top of my head, and66900:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.239
then I notice that like my back is hurting or67000:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.639
my throat is tight, and it what And I can67100:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.239
tell it wasn't like that before. That tells me something.67200:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.079
And so I think one of the things that I67300:35:34.159 --> 00:35:39.239
see most common is folks just like not noticing themselves67400:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.079
before they start. I also think sometimes like not being67500:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.280
specific about what you are looking at, Like I see67600:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.039
so many people that will get together for like a67700:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.360
saying I love hosting seances. I think seances are so fun.67800:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.239
And also you want to make sure that you like67900:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.719
have a conversation before you start the seance. If somebody's68000:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.360
wanting to talk with like a murder victim that they've68100:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.000
never met, and somebody else is like I want to68200:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.079
talk to my grandma. You know, there might be some68300:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.679
I think sometimes being thoughtful about what you are looking68400:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.400
for and what you want to happen. But probably more68500:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.599
to your point, the thing that I think is most68600:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.159
common is folks will just throw open the doors and68700:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.440
then they forget to close them, and it's like you68800:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.400
just like, you know, just opening your doors to like68900:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.000
anyone that's coming in, and then you just walk away69000:36:30.719 --> 00:36:36.039
and don't bother, like purposefully shutting things down. Those are69100:36:36.079 --> 00:36:37.519
probably the things that I see the most.69200:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.000
I still make that mistake. I'm constantly open, and I69300:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.519
tend to leave it that way just because I feel69400:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.559
like I'm gonna miss something if I don't, huh, But69500:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.639
I like, as an example, I've lost a lot of69600:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.119
sleep at times where I feel something's trying to communicate69700:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.719
with me. I'll get the flashing light like bright light69800:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.280
in my eyes, which I've heard is a common one69900:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.519
for communication, and it's like leave me alone. I'm trying70000:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.800
to sleep, and then it all stops. So I just70100:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.119
have to kind of set that in rule when I70200:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.280
go to bed. Look, if you want to community come70300:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.519
with me in my dreams, that's fine. Let's not do70400:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.760
the flashing lights in my eyes so it wakes me70500:37:21.880 --> 00:37:22.599
up type of thing.70600:37:23.320 --> 00:37:24.599
I like to think of it as like it's like70700:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.440
I have office hours. There's a so there's a root worker.70800:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.199
He's this old he's this old time conjure man named70900:37:30.239 --> 00:37:33.280
Professor Charles Porterfield, and he lives down in Denton, Texas,71000:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.800
and he is that man knows so much stuff. And71100:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.599
he was like the first person that I like, the71200:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.440
first like really bad ass, Sorry if I don't know71300:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.800
if I can swear, really awesome magical practitioner who also71400:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.960
would talk about like being sensitive to spirits, and he71500:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.440
gave this an example of he puts a chair out71600:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.079
by his front door and so and he will go71700:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.599
and like he'll just kind of, you know, make a71800:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.880
point of spirits or welcome to come and rest, like71900:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.239
it's a it's a designated spirit chair. And he wants72000:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.079
to want a day he'll go out and check and72100:38:04.199 --> 00:38:06.880
like if anyone's sitting there, he'll have a conversation with him.72200:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.320
But uh, but yeah, I I A would like to72300:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.599
think of it as like turn a volume control knob72400:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.000
that you I just I try to turn it down72500:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.519
so I can live my life. And but then I,72600:38:17.840 --> 00:38:18.960
you know, you want to be able to turn it72700:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.239
up pretty pretty easily. But I understand what you're saying72800:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.719
for sure.72900:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.679
Yeah, I'll say like, also when it comes to a73000:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.079
terror reading, for example, how important if the ease were73100:38:30.159 --> 00:38:33.519
like neutral you want to remain beage. I think sometimes73200:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.480
people don't realize how much energy plays into a reading,73300:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.679
because I know personal from personal experience. If if I'm73400:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.239
in a stressed state, if I'm angry something, that I73500:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.800
will read something in a negative way rather than in73600:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.480
a positive way or the right way, if you will.73700:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.280
And it's interesting how much of a difference it makes73800:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.840
when you take the time to meditate prior to doing73900:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.480
a reading, or even just to clear your aura or74000:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.119
the energy you know in your space. And so when74100:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.400
it comes to that though, like, what are some other74200:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.480
ways that maybe someone can ground themselves or create boundaries74300:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.239
or intention Like is there a you know, like one74400:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.000
specific way or we have all the ways that we can.74500:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.760
Get Oh my god, I mean there's so many ways.74600:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.159
I'll tell you the ones that are in the book,74700:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.400
and that'll or you know, and kind of like they're74800:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.599
they're a riff on very closely like what I do74900:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.519
for myself, what I teach my students, what I do75000:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.679
with my clients. You know, some people are like deep,75100:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.239
slow breath people and like you know, meditative, you know,75200:39:35.559 --> 00:39:40.320
they enjoying like those meditative breaths. Other people hate that stuff,75300:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.840
like I have. I know some clients that they're like75400:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.079
trying to you know, calm down and take four deep75500:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.920
breaths is like anxiety inducing to be so for those folks,75600:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.440
you know, maybe like shaking out your limbs might be75700:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.079
a more effective way. But I always like to start with,75800:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.559
you know, taking a few breaths, do doing a little75900:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.360
bit of that body if you're just doing this on76000:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.719
your own, doing that body scan, you know, checking in76100:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.280
with like literally what's around you, what's going on within you,76200:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.360
checking in with your thoughts, checking in with your emotions,76300:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.400
and then you know, maybe taking three big breaths, big76400:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.480
wooshing breaths where you're shaking your arms or big steady,76500:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.880
long breaths and just imagine that all of that energy76600:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.559
is just like dumping out into the ground, like any76700:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.639
excess energy that you don't need is just dumping out76800:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.800
into the ground. I really love the I'm a big visualizer.76900:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.880
I love to imagine that I have roots growing from77000:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.039
the lower half of my body down through the soles77100:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.000
of my feet. I often like to think that I77200:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.239
have like a little tether from the top of my head,77300:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.800
you know, bringing you know, connecting all the way up77400:40:41.840 --> 00:40:44.000
with the heavens or whatever lies beyond. And then I'll77500:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.400
end with a big, big inhale and then I envision77600:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.679
that I'm held in a bubble of protection and that77700:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.760
everything that I need can reach me with these but77800:40:51.920 --> 00:40:56.960
anything else that's unhelpful just bounces away. I also, like,77900:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.119
you know, if I'm sitting down to do a tarror reading,78000:40:59.440 --> 00:41:03.119
I am very very specific about like who I'm asking78100:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.440
for that insight to come from, because you know, you78200:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.360
could get a terror reading where you're using it as78300:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.840
like a spirit communication tool, like I want to, you know,78400:41:11.159 --> 00:41:16.840
talk with my my most venerated ancestor, or if I78500:41:16.920 --> 00:41:18.599
want to talk with my highest spiritual guide, I want78600:41:18.639 --> 00:41:20.760
advice for my highest spiritual guide, or I want advice78700:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.119
for my highest self. But those are some things that78800:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.079
you can take to just study yourself, and I do78900:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.079
that with all of my clients. Before a session, we'll79000:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.239
just do a really quick grounding and that really does79100:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.119
help to bring down the energy even if people come79200:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.280
in very heightened, and it always seems to help almost always. Yeah,79300:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.559
I think it always seems to help many a single79400:41:42.599 --> 00:41:43.719
time that it made things worse.79500:41:43.920 --> 00:41:52.960
So, now, again we've probably heard this quite a bit,79600:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.440
but everybody's.79700:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.760
Kind of got something different. What are the most common79800:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.840
ways spirits communicate to living or is there a common way?79900:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.320
Well, so I'll tell you what is most common for me.80000:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.880
I'm a big like the I get the mental images.80100:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.119
It's like a movie playing on the inside of your minds,80200:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.559
like you're replaying a you know, replaying a movie, or80300:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.480
you know, thinking of how like a novel feels when80400:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.800
you're reading it. I get Claire audience messages pretty frequently,80500:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.360
and so like it's that's the similar feeling that you80600:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.519
get like an earworm, like you get a song stuck80700:42:26.559 --> 00:42:30.480
in your head. I will tell you some of the ones.80800:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.880
You can also if you are like somebody who you80900:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.360
want to like cultivate your psychic senses and you realize81000:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.239
there's some like, you know, we have Claire sentience, which81100:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.639
is the feelings and the you know, the images and81200:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.239
the sounds and things like that, but there's also smell81300:42:44.320 --> 00:42:48.280
and taste Claire Ghostin's and Claire aliens. I had never81400:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.199
had those experiences, and so for a whole year I81500:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.400
would I would do my own personal spirit communication practice,81600:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.440
and I say, send me a message through a smell81700:42:56.679 --> 00:43:01.000
or a taste. Worst decision ever, because that can disgusting.81800:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.239
So I think it's really interesting when I meet people81900:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.119
that they're like, I can smell ghosts, and I'm like,82000:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.440
that is sound awful. But also every week, you know,82100:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.039
I mean, I feel like everyone is a little different.82200:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.920
I think a lot of people will come in and say, well,82300:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.280
I don't know what my Claire is, And I'm like,82400:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.719
you've got a whole You've got like eleven different senses.82500:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.719
You have your primary senses, you've got your like it's82600:43:25.840 --> 00:43:28.280
all a big mish mash. Don't think you just have82700:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.039
to have one. But I think a lot of people,82800:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.679
you know, you get we all know, like the crawling82900:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.719
out of your skin feeling, Oh yeah, oh god, that83000:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.280
that feeling when you're like everything in you is telling83100:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.800
to telling you to like run, but you're like, I'm83200:43:41.920 --> 00:43:46.239
here for this. Here's the fun one. So those are83300:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.320
some of how things work for me. And I think83400:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.320
I feel like I've heard everything under the sun. I83500:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.559
don't know, that's just yeah, that's what I got.83600:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.199
I experienced a lot of the Clays myself, So it83700:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.239
mean i've I think it's more so like for the83800:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.599
common person that doesn't necessarily think that they have that83900:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.000
communication or whatever.84000:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.679
Oh okay, I mean I think a lot of people84100:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.559
are very I think most people have had the experience84200:44:12.760 --> 00:44:14.639
of because I will ask this of people like kind84300:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.519
of your your average your average person out there, Like84400:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.599
have you ever heard the voice, like you know, the84500:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.519
voice that comes in and it's like get the heck84600:44:23.639 --> 00:44:25.480
out of here, or oh my god, you should go84700:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.480
do this thing. I think a lot of people get84800:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.599
that kind of really powerful Claire audience sometimes. So I84900:44:32.679 --> 00:44:35.119
think that sometimes is something that I see. I think85000:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.440
the goosebumps, like the creepy crawley on the flesh is85100:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.159
something a lot of people are familiar with. I think85200:44:41.599 --> 00:44:46.199
most people are pretty empathic if they allowed themselves to be,85300:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.119
And so that's an aspect of Claire sentience, like feeling85400:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.159
what others are feeling, feeling, what has like soaked into85500:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.880
a space? What's that classic example of like walking into85600:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.400
a room where somebody's just had to fight and you85700:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.280
feel like uncomfortable. So I would probably say most people85800:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.679
have had that I have met, have had Claire audience.85900:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.480
And then different kinds of Clare sentience, whether it's emotional86000:45:11.920 --> 00:45:16.159
feelings or like creepy crawley like skin crawling, goosebump feeling.86100:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.519
I also wonder too if a lot of us are86200:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.920
seeing like apparitions more frequently, but we think that they're people,86300:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.480
you know. I wonder that all the time.86400:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.360
It's I find it really interesting because like it's like86500:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.280
I'm one of those and this has been the way,86600:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.440
this way for many, many years now. But it's like86700:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.440
I can't always just discern when there's a good spirit around,86800:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.039
Like I can't walk into a house like, oh, this86900:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.360
is good energy or a good spirit. But as soon87000:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.000
as I'm near or somewhere close to the facility of87100:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.480
something dark, whether it's a dark spirit, dark energy, it's87200:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.719
like everything shits. Uh, you know, I get that head,87300:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.480
like this heavy headache right in my third eye. You87400:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.360
get this tingling, this almost instinct that's like you know,87500:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.039
you stip into a room and instinct says, oh, nope, nope,87600:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.719
we're going back, and this is this is too heavy,87700:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.280
you know, and it's it's weird because like I've tried87800:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.199
to focus in on that good energy. Not that I87900:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.000
can't feel good energy per se, but most times it's like,88000:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.079
can I discern the difference? It's like, oh, I know88100:46:16.119 --> 00:46:17.800
when it's dark. I know when there's something dark. I88200:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.800
wrap buy a house and look at it like there's88300:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.440
something there and it's not a happy spirit, that's for sure,88400:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.440
you know, and it's it's really interesting, and I don't88500:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.400
know if that's like if it's something that I can88600:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.280
kind of change, or if that's part of like my story,88700:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.559
like when it comes all the way back to opening88800:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.199
that original door and like once they're coming back and88900:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.639
meeting these people who kind of experience those same things89000:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.119
as dark things, it's like, maybe that's just my track,89100:46:44.519 --> 00:46:45.639
that's my pasth.89200:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.840
I mean, you went through a really intense experience and89300:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.880
so that like that does seem like you would be89400:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.360
really poised to recognize danger, you know, Like I mean89500:46:55.360 --> 00:46:56.920
because it's like a form in the sorry. This is89600:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.960
like some of my old victim avicants speak coming in89700:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.760
but like that hypervit lens. You know that a lot89800:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.119
of people who've experienced a trauma, and I think that's89900:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.039
something that people sometimes forget, is that even though I90000:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.039
have a pretty like I'm a pretty light hearted person,90100:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.599
which I'm proud of, you know, I'm like, you don't.90200:47:12.800 --> 00:47:14.760
You don't fall into twenty years of being a victim90300:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.719
advocate without a story that gets you there, you know.90400:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.519
And so I, even though I come into this stuff90500:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.119
with a lot of joy in my heart, I'm not90600:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.159
a dummy like and you know, I know a lot90700:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.440
of people who have had wildly traumatic experiences with spirits90800:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.840
and we I think that's something that also has to90900:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.400
be like acknowledged. But my suggestion for people, and this91000:47:35.519 --> 00:47:36.760
is something that I will tell because I have a91100:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.039
lot of people who've had really bad experiences and then91200:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.599
they come in trying to find that joy. Going to91300:47:42.679 --> 00:47:47.599
places that have like really lighthearted haunts can sometimes be fun.91400:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.639
Like I man, I it's I know it's expensive, but91500:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.400
I really I can't say enough good things about the91600:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.239
Stanley Hotel out Nesta's part in Colorado, where you know,91700:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.280
Stephen King famously wrote or came up with the idea91800:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.840
of the Shining But it's so much more. I mean,91900:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.079
it's like that place is so special and it really92000:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.440
I don't know. I just can't even tell you what's92100:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.000
going on there. There are so many it just delivers.92200:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.960
Like it's almost like a place that's like it's showtime92300:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.880
and it will deliver what you're looking for. And uh92400:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.320
and it's loud too, where it's you're not just like, oh,92500:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.639
maybe this is just me thinking that I'm having an experience.92600:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.599
It's like, oh no, this is so I don't know.92700:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.800
Sometimes going to places that have like fun haunts, I know,92800:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.880
I feel like those are harder to find though, because92900:48:34.079 --> 00:48:40.280
not everybody wants like a fun haunt. I don't know, right, So.93000:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.280
I feel that a lot of people wonder this. You know,93100:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.199
is there a responsible or ethical line that people just93200:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.559
should not cross when it comes to spiritual menfation?93300:48:54.440 --> 00:49:00.360
You know, I guess everybody would have a difference. I93400:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.880
think for me personally, and this is kind of where93500:49:02.920 --> 00:49:06.880
I get into I have real mixed feelings about some93600:49:07.480 --> 00:49:11.800
true crime type stuff out there. I do I do93700:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.280
think folks should examine like when they're going to, like,93800:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.559
you know, connect with a murdered person. I just think93900:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.920
that there's like a responsibility to think about like just94000:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.440
to like maybe put your put yourself in the ghost shoes,94100:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.199
you know, and just think about, you know, what's your outcome,94200:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.679
and also like, you know, how could you maybe offer94300:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.440
some kindness to those spirits. I think you see that94400:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.760
a lot with like Southern plantations, where I'm like, really, like,94500:49:37.880 --> 00:49:39.880
are we are we like, are we really not going94600:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.840
to like talk about like what this really was here?94700:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.079
Because that's a huge part of like those hauntings, right,94800:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.079
And so I do just think maybe, like I don't know,94900:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.119
historical context and like sensitivity is sometimes like a thing95000:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.199
that should be considered. I don't know if it's a95100:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.199
bright line of you should or shouldn't do it? You know,95200:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.440
I you ask the wrong person this question because I95300:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.800
will play Devil's advocate with you, and so we are95400:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.719
completely out of time because I'm like I wouldn't do this,95500:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.239
but then sometimes I would, you know. I Mean, it's95600:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.360
just it's a tricky thing. I do think that you95700:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.559
do need to just think about the consequences of your95800:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.719
actions and also just like think about you know, like95900:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.039
again just like thinking of like a lot of homicides.96000:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.679
Like there's a lot of like hauntings that are linked96100:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.719
to homicides. There's a lot of like violence against women96200:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.519
and kids that is linked to you know, hauntings, and96300:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.239
you know, I think it's also just kind of think96400:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.679
about not just those spirits, but also like if you're96500:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.559
someone that you're an investigator and you're like, you know,96600:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.440
putting out videos of your investigations out there, maybe also96700:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.400
just think of, like does this person still have living96800:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.199
descendants that maybe still kind of like following their names96900:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.480
and like have like a little Google alert on their names,97000:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.199
and maybe just think about it that way. You know.97100:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.480
So there's that I to say this for you, Eric,97200:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.079
because I'm like, oh man, you learned the hard way.97300:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.760
Be thoughtful. Like if you there's I made a lot97400:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.360
of like little like newer witches who are like I97500:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.880
want to work with the infernals, and I'm like, Okay,97600:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.679
let's think about this. So it's like you can do97700:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.400
whatever you want, but who are you gonna call if97800:51:19.440 --> 00:51:23.039
things get out of hand? Yeah? I know, It's like97900:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.360
I don't think ghost musters would know what the heck98000:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.400
to do with that, But you know so I think too.98100:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.719
It's also just like if you're going to mess around,98200:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.639
make sure that you know what to do if you98300:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.079
find out, you know, Yeah, I.98400:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.280
Think it's important also to like just being a person,98500:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.159
Like if you're going to talk to another person, whether98600:51:42.719 --> 00:51:46.239
you know, living or deceased, consider your own triggers, Like98700:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.880
what are some of the things that you've been through98800:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.639
that is similar to ask you a very similar question,98900:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.480
How would you respond? How would you react to that?99000:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.320
Because like if it would make you angry OR'd make99100:51:55.360 --> 00:51:58.519
you upset in some way, maybe you shouldn't ask that question,99200:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.079
you know. But of course still it comes down to99300:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.519
one's a stream. And I'll be honest, there are some99400:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.760
people out there that are just either they don't care99500:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.880
or they're honestly just idiots and they do things without.99600:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.639
Yeah, and some folks just don't kind of you know,99700:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.760
it's they they're wanting to go in to be like99800:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.840
provocative or something like that. I will say, like a99900:52:18.960 --> 00:52:23.320
question that I always get really good reactions to. Number one,100000:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.639
asking for song recommendations, like what was your favorite music?100100:52:27.800 --> 00:52:29.920
Or can I play you a song. That's something that100200:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.440
we'll sometimes do the Stanley Hotel. That was so fun.100300:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.440
We got more like there is there is a spirit100400:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.239
in the Lodge Library at the Stanley Hotel that loves100500:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.800
Carly Simon, You're so ain. And also and there were100600:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.400
these and three Little Birds by Bob Marley. It was100700:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.480
really it was real cute dream. A little Dream of100800:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.079
Me was one that just kept coming up and everywhere100900:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.320
by Fleetwood Mac was one that kept coming up at101000:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.880
the Oliver Hotel and Bisbee. But another question I love101100:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.679
to ask to you is what advice would you have,101200:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.679
you know, if you're if you're a spirit that is101300:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.639
like keeping tabs on what we're all doing here, What101400:53:03.800 --> 00:53:06.280
advice would you have based on what you lived through101500:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.119
or have seen and what maybe you are perceiving us101600:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.719
go through. And that's always really interesting too.101700:53:14.360 --> 00:53:15.000
Yeah, for sure.101800:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.440
Now, what's one thing that you hope that everybody takes101900:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.960
away from the book or even this conversation today?102000:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.239
Oh my gosh. So I think that one of the102100:53:25.320 --> 00:53:30.760
things that I get I find remarkably stupid in kind102200:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.559
of like spiritual circles, is all the silos that everybody102300:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.000
is is in, like the paranormal people, Like I get102400:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.480
nervous every time, like anytime a paranormal show wants to102500:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.280
talk to me, because I've had some tap terrible experiences102600:53:44.800 --> 00:53:48.079
with investigators that will treat me like I'm stupid because102700:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.599
I identify first and foremost as a see er in102800:53:50.639 --> 00:53:55.920
a spiritist aka psychic medium, right, and so, but I102900:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.639
also see like the witches think that the don't like103000:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.599
the paranormal investigator or don't think there's value there, and103100:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.880
the mediumship Like there's like the side the mediumship silo103200:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.199
and the paranormal investigation side the silo and the witchcraft silo,103300:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.159
and then the like the cryptos who the crypt you know,103400:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.199
the cryptid people and the upologists, And I just think103500:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.239
it's so dumb and we miss out on so many103600:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.920
opportunities to like learn, because what if we're just all103700:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.960
looking at different pieces of one gigantic puzzle. You know, Yeah,103800:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.360
for sure that's a big part. That's a big theme103900:54:28.599 --> 00:54:34.360
throughout little Book of Spirit Community Communication, as is track104000:54:34.440 --> 00:54:39.280
down source text, look at history and look at context,104100:54:40.400 --> 00:54:46.000
and everybody should practice psychic development. Those are those are104200:54:46.079 --> 00:54:47.679
those are like the five things there?104300:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.800
Well, I think like overall those things, especially to beginning104400:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.159
there really works well with our show because that's what104500:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.440
we came in here with the Paratroop, but we're born104600:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.119
to do that. We have so many different people from104700:54:59.239 --> 00:55:03.920
various difficulty of life, regardless of their the belief systems104800:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.079
and religions, you know, et cetera. It's like we all104900:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.719
come here, we talk, we share, uh, we build this105000:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.840
little community, you know, and it's I think it's important105100:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.360
to the best know yourself. It's important to know others105200:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.760
and what they go through, what they be right, because105300:55:16.760 --> 00:55:18.159
you can't work with people if you don't know what105400:55:18.199 --> 00:55:21.320
they're like, Like, you can't know I've had a very105500:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.159
there was a time where I had a very uh,105600:55:26.239 --> 00:55:30.559
I guess negative view on the quote unquote Satanist, all right,105700:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.039
but there are certain things that some of them believe105800:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.199
that they think about and they consider that. It's like,105900:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.159
oh that's interesting, you know. It's like it helps build106000:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.480
a different foundation, I think for us in our own106100:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.360
belief system, even if we don't agree with them, you know.106200:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.360
And I think that's important and not have to call106300:55:48.400 --> 00:55:51.800
them on you know, satan this specifically. But in this case,106400:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.360
we've got some interesting stories.106500:55:54.519 --> 00:55:58.480
We get this in the past, who who called themselves106600:55:58.519 --> 00:55:59.800
Satanists will put it that way.106700:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.519
Yeah, well, I I mean, y'all have really interesting backstories too,106800:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.519
and so I love that there's so much variety and106900:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.360
like what you what you bring to the table, and107000:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.800
that that definitely I appreciated hearing. I appreciated hearing that.107100:56:13.039 --> 00:56:16.280
But yeah, I just everybody just be curious and be107200:56:16.400 --> 00:56:18.440
open minded and learn as much as you can and107300:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.280
practice as much as you can. And because I don't know,107400:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.519
I just figure, like what do we have to lose,107500:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.800
you know, just half fun for sure.107600:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.679
Well, we're gonna go ahead and let you go here107700:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.320
from now, so to stay on the line with us107800:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.199
while we close. Go, But just thank you again so107900:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.119
much for joining us. It's been a blast.108000:56:37.440 --> 00:56:38.880
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It was108100:56:38.920 --> 00:56:39.800
lovely to chat with you.108200:56:40.760 --> 00:56:42.840
Well, and real quick, where can everybody find y'all?108300:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.800
Oh that that old thing. So my website is sterlingmoon108400:56:48.079 --> 00:56:53.159
Taro dot com and just go to Sterling Moontaro dot108500:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.679
com and you'll find all my social social media links108600:56:55.719 --> 00:56:57.840
and all the all everything is housed there.108700:56:58.639 --> 00:56:59.119
Sounds good.108800:57:00.000 --> 00:57:00.960
All right, thank you so much.108900:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.679
All right, everybody, Well, now that we're here at the109000:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.760
end of the show. I think we're warding Willie out109100:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.960
of time there, so so until next week you'll find us,109200:57:12.119 --> 00:57:13.599
same time, same channel.109300:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.840
My name is Eric and I'm justin peace.
