May 18, 2025

The Case For The Afterlife w/Chris Carter

The Case For The Afterlife w/Chris Carter
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Does consciousness survive death? In this thought-provoking episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin & Erik sit down with philosopher and author Chris Carter to explore the compelling arguments presented in his groundbreaking book The Case for the Afterlife. Drawing from scientific studies, near-death experiences, and philosophical inquiry, Carter challenges skeptics and offers a powerful case for life beyond the veil. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, this conversation just might shift your perspective on what awaits us after death.

Guest Bio: Chris Carter is an Oxford-trained philosopher, and is the author of four highly acclaimed books, and several scholarly articles. His latest book is The Case for the Afterlife, which argues that the case for the afterlife can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt, entirely on the basis of evidence.

Find The Case for the Afterlife here: The Case for the Afterlife by Chris Carter

Find Chris's author page here: Chris Carter Author Page

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Welcome, Well, well do para truth Truth, What's up everybody,

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and welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn.

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This is a pre recorded show on one oh seven

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point seven FM, New Orleans and the United Dates. I

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did Public Radio Network. My name is Eric, and today

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Justin is running a little late, and honestly, he may

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not even be able to join us today. So we're

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gonna hold out and hope that he shows up. But

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if not, we're gonna have a good time anyway. So

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today we're speaking with Chris Carter about his book, The

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Case of the Afterlife. Chris Carter is an Oxford trained

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philosopher and is the author of four highly acclaimed books

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and several scholarly articles. His latest book is The Case

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for the Afterlife, which argues that the case for the

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afterlife can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt entirely on

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the basis of evidence. So, without further ado, I introduced

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to you Chris Carter. Chris, welcome to Paratruth th Reborn.

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Thank you for joining us, for joining me.

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Yeah, thanks for having me, Eric.

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So the first question I pretty much ask everyone this question,

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but what led you to start research the afterlife, and

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why did you decide to write a book on it?

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Well, Suction my fourth book. My three books are actually

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a lot longer. What got me started into it? Well,

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I guess the unusual experience of living in a house

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which was purportedly haunted. This was in another country, and

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one night a friend of mine we're living. I was

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there for two years, and one night a friend of

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mine was where he's the fellow fellow student, and he

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was trying to convince me to join him and two

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other grad students to spend our next year living in

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a farmhouse owned by our college, which layout just outside

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of town. I wasn't really comfortable with the idea. I

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wanted to live closer to town in college, but he

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was very persistent, and he ended up telling me that

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the place has a ghost. His words caught me by surprise,

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and that basically said, is anyone seen anything? And he

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said no, but there's been a lot of strained sounds reported,

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And so I headed out to the farm to see

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the place for myself. It turned out to be a

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medieval stone house, two stories, quite large.

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And.

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While I was there on the property, decided to speak

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with the college carpenter who at his workshop near the house,

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and after a short chat, I came straight out with it.

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I just asked him. I just said to him, I

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hear the place is haunted. He said, well, I don't

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know myself, but the carpenter before me he swore the

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place was haunted. And to make a long story short,

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that was enough for me, and I spent the next

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year living there. I did see and hear some unusual

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things which I could not readily explain. Nothing particularly dramatic,

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but these experiences did spark my interest, and so when

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I returned to my own country, I began to reflect

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on my strange experiences, and I made a visit to

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the local library, where I was surprised to find an

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enormous amount of number of books on the subject, an

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enormous volume of research. Specifically, most impressive was the enormous

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volume of research gathered by the British and American Societies

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of Psychical Research. These were both founded in the eighteen eighties.

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The British Society was founded in eighteen eighty two by

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Henry Sidgwick, he was a philosopher at Cambridge, and two

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years later, in eighteen eighty four, the American society was

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founded by William James at Harvard University, and these two

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societies membership list read like a who's who of the

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intellectual elite on both sides the Atlantic of the day scientists, philosophers, historians, lawyers, scholars,

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and the membership included people on all ends of the spectrum.

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People who were diehard skeptics, people who were quite inclined

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to believe the data, and people who were basically neutral

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but open minded. To make a long story short, despite

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the often repeated lie that the British American societies never

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found anything, the truth of the matter is they found

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an enormous volume of research meticulous. They gathered the research

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meticulous first rate, and it was enough so that by

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the early years of the twentieth century, almost all of

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the members were convinced of the reality of survival, including

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several of those who started off as diehard skeptics.

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Wow, yeah, oh, that's pretty incredible. Well, now, how did

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your background in philosophy and science actually influence your approach

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to this topic in particular?

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Well, the strange experiences that I had in the farmhouse

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didn't fit in very well with some of the materialist

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opinions of several philosophers that I'd struggled, that I'd studied them.

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Sorry with sorry, but I was open minded enough to

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admit the possibility that these experiences were of exactly what

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they seemed to be, the lingering presence of someone who

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had lived in the house in days long ago. I

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guess just affected my approach. My approach is not based

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upon my own experiences. My approach is basically description of

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various cases, an analysis, and most of all, a critical

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examination of the arguments of the so called skeptics.

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Well, and with that said, what kind of reactions have

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you actually received from both the skeptics and the believers

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since publishing this book or any other works?

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Well, the skeptics are not nearly as influential or as

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outspoken as they used to be, say back, I don't know,

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twenty thirty forty years ago. They seem to have mostly

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receded into the background. But it's important to remember that

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most of these so called skeptics are actually militant atheists,

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and one of the fundamental pillars of the atheistic belief

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system is the ancient doctrine of materialism. That's the idea

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that all events have a physical cause or at least

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ultimately have a physical cause. And it follows from this

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that the mind is produced by the brain, and so

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when the brain is destroyed, the mind ceases to exist. Now,

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any evidence to the contrary threatens the doctrine of materialism

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and thus threatens the collapse of the entire atheist worldview.

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And it's this, more than anything else that I explains

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their vehement opposition to the data that falsifies materialism.

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But now, in the chapter that's titled the Mind Body Relationship,

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speaking of the mind, what is the evidence that indicates

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the actual relationship between the mind and the brain and

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how do they work cohesively? Are they separate from each other?

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I think that the impudence indicates that the relationship between

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the brain and the mind is that the brain is

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a receiver transmitter for the mind, a two way receiver transmitter,

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sometimes from body to mind as a sense perception, other

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times from mind to body as in willed action. And

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this isn't just my opinion, this is the opinion that

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the philosopher William James argued very strongly for this. He

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was the first, as I said earlier, the first president

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of the American Society. It was also the opinion of

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Sir John Eccles. He won the Nobel Prize in physiology.

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I think for discovering how neurons brain cells communicate. They

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do so with chemicals which crossed the synaptic gap between neurons.

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He killed these neurotransmitters. He believed that. So did the

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great Canadian brain surgeon Wilder Penfield. He won the Nobel

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Prize in medicine for his work with epileptic patients. And

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today there's other there's other philosophers and scientists who accept this.

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Kurt two Gas, Bob Almeter, Neil Grossman, physicist Henry Stapp,

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and Evan Harris Walker. So yeah, So I think the

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true relationship in the mind the brain is that the

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brain is the instrument of the mind, uh and the

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brain the Wilder Penfield described the brain as this as

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this fantastic biological computer. In other words, the mind programs

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the brain to handle certain automatic tasks. And we've all

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seen this before when learning a new skill. If you're

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learning how to drive a car, takes a great deal

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of concentration. We have to about everything. You know, put

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the car in gear, you know, apply the gas, look

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over your shoulder and all that sort of thing. But

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once you've been doing it for a while, then it

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becomes almost automatic, and we can drive the car on autopilots,

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so to speak. And same thing with playing a musical

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instrument or learning a new sport. At the beginning requires

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a lot of concentration on the basics, but after we've

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mastered the basics, we programmed our brain to handle the

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more routine tasks which freeze up our mind, our minds

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for other things such as, I don't know, holding a

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conversation while we're driving, or thinking about how we want

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the music to sound. Do you want sound, what mood

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do you want to convey? Don't play it fast? Slow? How?

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Or playing a sport thinking about where we're going to

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place our next shot instead of how to make the shot.

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So yeah, I think the brain is the instrument of

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the mind.

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So there's been I know, there's been arguments between skeptics

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and various scientists believers that the mind may or may

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not exist without the functioning brain. Is that something in

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you in your studies that you came across that the

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mind can indeed exist without a functioning brain. That'd be

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kind of like the spiritual realm of things you know,

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there's been discussion amongst some friends of mine that say

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ghosts are actually just the mind of the person that

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was left behind, rather than a spirit, and there's been

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a lot of arguments about that. What do you place that?

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What do you think?

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Well, you've mentioned a few different things. There the evidence

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that the brain and the mind are separate entities, and

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that the mind can exist apart from functioning brain. There's

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a great deal of evidence to this effect. And we

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don't even have to bring in the so called paranormal.

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We don't have to bring in near death experiences, apparitions

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and so forth. I mentioned in my book the medical

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phenomenon of terminal lucidity. Now this has been known for

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thousands of years, and you know, the ancient classical writers

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wrote about it. What it refers to as this, when

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someone with a diseased or damaged brain is approaching death,

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what often happens in the final days, hours, and minutes

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of their life is that they suddenly become lucid and

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seem to regain their normal consciousness. I mentioned a case

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in my book about a woman who suffered from severe Alzheimer's,

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so much so that it damaged parts of her brain,

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and she'd spent approximately the last ten years essentially doing

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little more than staring at the space and babbling about nothing.

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But one day her nurse walked into the room and

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found her completely lucid. She quickly phoned her daughter and

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explained that her mother wanted to see her. Her daughter

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rushed over to the hospice found her mother completely lucid,

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and she said it was like talking to someone who

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had been asleep for ten years. Shortly afterwards she died

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and yeah, and parts of her brain were destroyed. That's

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only one example. I give another example of a This

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is from the nineteenth century, I believe, late nineteenth century.

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In those days, mental hospitals were called insane asylums were

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lunatic asylums. And this fellow one day got a message

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from the director of the asylum saying this brother wanted

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to speak to him. Well, his brother been a little

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more than a vegetable for the past several years. He

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was intrigued. He rushed over and found his brother speaking

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to him perfectly, normally, perfectly lucid, and the director took

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him aside and saying, I've seen this before. This is

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a sign of impending death. I don't think your brother's

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gonna last very long. Sure Enough, shortly afterwards his brother,

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his brother died, and they did an autopsy on him,

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and they found that his brain was almost entirely superrated,

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meaning that it was almost entirely filled with puss. And

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so this fellow's name was Suria. He essentially asked, how

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did how did this fellow with what did this fellow think?

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So it's well known. This is not something that's uh,

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that's sort of some sort of freak occurrence. It's well

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known among people who work with the dying and so

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terminal lucidity anyway, and I also mentioned it was it

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was This has been known for thousands of years. Hippocrates,

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the father of medicine, wrote about it, Galen Cicero, and others,

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and they all took the view that in the final

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moments of life, these are cases in which the mind

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or the spirit whatever you like, is disengaging from the

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restrictions of a material brain. That seems to be what happens.

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And this is mainstream medicine. This, this is not necessary

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to bring in other forms of evidence, such as the

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near death experience.

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So do you think that this is the case in

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terms of like individuals who might be close to dying

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who say they're seeing shadows or seeing angels appear all

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of a sudden Is that because their mind is now

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drifting into away from the materialistic aspect of the world

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and it's moving into the spiritual or I know sciences

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have some sort of chemical reaction that causes those beliefs

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or those visions.

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Okay, well, now you're moving into the so called paranormal evidence.

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The evidence is extreme outside of mainstream science. In my book,

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I discussed five different lines of evidence deathbed visions, the

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near death experience, apparitions, children who claim to remember a

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previous life, and communication parent communication from the deceased via

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human mediums. These five lines of evidence are all very

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different from each other, yet they all point in the

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same direction that essentially, the mind can operate in the

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absence of a properly functioning brain, and after this life

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we can expect a lot more.

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Okay, well, now it's going on with the paranormal a

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little bit here, Like regarding near death experiences in particular,

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how does the near death experience actually support the argument

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for life after death? Like, is there any actual evidence

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there that you've come across.

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The near death experience certainly suggests that we survive the

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deaths of our bodies, because these are cases of in

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which people who MH have no heartbeat, they're not breathing,

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they have no blood supply to their brain. When they're

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revived resuscitated, they describe hovering above their bodies. They describe

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feelings of peace and joy. They sometimes describe moving through

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a tunnel afterwards, meeting departed friends and relatives.

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Mysterious beings who they can't which they can't identify. It

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certainly suggests that we survive death because the nd I mean,

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because they report, first of all, didn't case. The mind

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can operate distinctly from functioning brain. The mind can operate

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and have complete, even more clear than normal lucidity at

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times when there's every medical reason to believe that the

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brain is either well the brain is simply not functioning.

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And also they, as I said, they report contact with

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departed friends and relatives.

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So well, I'm moving back, and forgive me, I'm gonna

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be jumping back and forth the paranormal and the scientific

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aspect of all this stuff. But what role does quantum

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physics or interpretations of it play into the argument for

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the afterlife indirectly.

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Indirectly only I mentioned physicist Berkeley physicist Henry Stapp, that's

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another physicist, even Evan Harris Walker. Both of these fell

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have taken the ideas of people such as Sir John

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Eicals and basically run with it. Staff for instance, argues

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that the mind interacts with the brain at the level

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of the synaptic gap because you've got chemicals Adam's molecules

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being transferred in between in between over the synaptic gap

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from one year on to another. And he argues that

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because these are events at the atomic level, quantum effects

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become relevant. So I mean, I've got an appendix on

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quantum mechanics. The contribution of modern physics is indirect, but

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it is there. But also the reason why I bring

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it in is because some philosophers such as Daniel Dennett,

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will argue that dualism has to be ruled out on

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the basis that it would contradict physics. Well, this is

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complete nonsense, and so I go to some lengths to

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show that this is nonsense and it's not even necessary

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to bring in quantum mechanics. Because there was a philosopher

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and a physicist. He was both named CD Broad and

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the early years of the twentieth century. He argued that

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you can't rule out dualism on the basis of physics.

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Just because all physical to physical interactions require an exchange

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of energy doesn't mean that physical to mental or mental

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to physical interactions require an exchange of energy. There's no

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logical reason to assume that's true. So even on the

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basis of classical physics, you know, pre quantum physics, you

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can't rule out dualism on the basis of the science

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of physics.

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Right, do you think that you know, when it comes

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to physics or just science in general, which often seems

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to want to disprove this idea of life after death,

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do you think that sometimes they will interpret the evidence

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purposely in their favor or do you think that what

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they're finding actually just happens to be in the favor

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of you know, life and death, not life after death,

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not existing m.

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You've raised a few different issues there again. First of all,

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First of all, I don't think that that's mainstream science

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is in the business of disproving the afterlife. There are

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scientists who are very scientists tend to be open minded.

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They don't tend to be a closed minded bunch. The

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so called materialists, materialist skeptics, militant atheists, whatever you want

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to call them, they're definitely in a small minority. I

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mean several certain I'm aware of two different surveys that

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are vast scientists for their opinion on the existence. So,

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for instance, extrasensory perception, and the vast majority of physical

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scientists came back and we're either open to either said,

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agreed with extra sensory perception being either an established fact

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or real possibility. Most of the negative responses actually came

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from psychologists, And if you ask these psychologists why they

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don't believe in extra sensory perception, they'll usually say something

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along the lines of, well, we turn the laws of

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physics upside down. So the psychologists are saying that, but

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the physicists know better, they know that that simply isn't true.

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I don't think we have evidence that the mind and

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the brain are distinct and the mind can exist in

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the absence of a brain. I don't think there's any

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evidence disproving that all the arguments that are commonly used,

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for instance, that you know, I don't know, injury to

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the brain can impair thinking or Alzheimer's it can impair

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the mind. Of course that's true. But those things are

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true whether or not the brain produces consciousness or whether

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or not it's receiver transmitter. I mean, I like the

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analogy of smashing a radio receiver. The mistake they're making

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can be Australia with the analogy of smashing the receiver

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radio and you know, causing the music to stop and

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then concluding that the radio was producing the music. Well,

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the radio does not produce the music. The radio transmits

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the music. I mean, just because you damage some of

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its components doesn't mean you damage the music. It means

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you damage the transmission. So brain damage, Alzheimer's in the

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like certainly do not prove or not evidence that the

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brain produces the mind. And again I mentioned terminal lucidity

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that certainly is evidence to the contrary that the brain

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operates as a receiver two way receiver transmitter for the mind.

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And when we're thinking of like the mind existing without

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the brain, or even just say spirits walking the planes

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or you know, being able to contact these entities in particular,

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there is a grand number of people that claim they

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can do it. However, there is quite a few skeptics

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that say the evidence of for example, mediumship in this

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case cannot actually be trusted, and that it could be

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the work of some sort of satanic spirits or even

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a fraud aught together, especially since there's been so many

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proven frauds over the years. That we have people on

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two sides of the table saying mediumship is very much

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real and these people can indeed speak with the dead,

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and the other side saying there's no way, it's impossible.

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What do you found regarding that?

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Well, again, you've raised a number of issues. You've raised,

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you've raised fraud, you've raised you've raised other other objections

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as well. What don't we do with one issue at time? Okay,

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let's deal with fraud. The British and American societies began

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investigating both physical mediums and mental mediums. Now, physical mediums

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they're the ones that uh, you know, uh, purport to

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produce physical phenomena, you know, levitating tables or musical instruments

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that play themselves, or even you know, the physical appearance

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or the deceased person and things like that. Mental mediums

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are different. Mental mediums either relay messages verbally or by

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going into a trance and writing on a piece of paper.

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They soon abandoned their study of mental medi of physical

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mediums after they exposed several fraudulent physical mediums. So, and

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also physical mediumship is just too easy to dismiss on

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the grounds that you know, mistake and I would testimony

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or mal observation or fraud. And so they they abandoned

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that and they concentrate their efforts on mental mediums. Now,

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most of the mental mediums that they studied were not

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professional mediums. These were women of women of high social

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almost entirely women of high social standing. One Missus Verel,

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she was a lecturer at Cambridge, Another one Miss Coombe Tenant,

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she was Justice of the Peace and Britain's first female

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representative to the League of Nations, which was the forerunner

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of the United Nations. I can only think of one

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professional medium that they studied. That was a Missus Piper

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of Boston. And what they did was they were very

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impressed with her, and they put her on the spr

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Society Cycical Research payroll so that she didn't have to

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do her mediumship for a living and they could she

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could devote her time to working with the researchers. So

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fraud is essentially ruled out because if these are these

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are non professional mediums. They weren't paid for their services,

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with the exception of Missus Piper, and in many cases

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they wrote under pseudonyms because they didn't when they were alive.

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They didn't want their names being associated with this. These

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are These are women of who had careers as lecturers

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or as as representatives to the League of Nations or

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what have you. Their husband, they were the wives of

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politicians and so forth, so they kept their mediumship a

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closely guarded secret. So I think given their high social standing,

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given the fact that they were not professionals, I think

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that rules out. And given the fact that the researchers

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were not idiots and they did were not interested in

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physical mediumship, that rules fraud out conclusively.

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Take another turn here, what are your thoughts of beliefs

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on reincarnation?

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I'm sorry, what am I?

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Your thoughts are beliefs on reincarnation? Oh?

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Okay, Well, as I said, As I said in my book,

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I consider five independent lines of evidence. Children who claim

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to remember previous lives is one of the lines I

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consider the most extensive and probably the most thorough work

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on that subject was done by a psychiatrist named Ian Stevenson.

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He applied for a grant to go to India and

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study this issue back in the nineteen sixties. He took

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ads out in two different Indian newspapers asking for people

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with who knew of children who claimed to remember a

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previous life, and he investigated several of these cases. But

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he was only interested in active, ongoing cases. In other words,

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he wasn't interested in cases you know my you know,

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I remember my brother twenty years ago when he was

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a kid. He wanted in which the children were still

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talking about it, but they were young enough to still

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talk about it, and the case had not been properly investigated.

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So you found several of these cases, which you put

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together in a book, a famous landmark book. And he

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followed that up with more studies. He originally concentrated in India,

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but then he widened his scope and found cases in

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Western countries as well. Reincarnation is an ancient belief. I

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mean it's found all over the world, not just in

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places like that we associate with reincarnation, like India or

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China or what have you. But among Australian Aborigines, several

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Native North American tribes, the Inuit of the Arctic, some

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African tribes, the Vikings of Scandinavia, and I present evidence

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in my book that this was also found in the

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pagan world. There's evidence that many of the early Christians

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believed in reincarnation until the Second Council of Constantinople, which

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was not called by the pope by the way, it

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was called by the Emperor, one of the Roman emperors.

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And so some have argued that I shouldn't be considered binding.

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Even today. There was a Pew Center research study Pew

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spelled capital p capital ee, capital W. They surveyed American

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Christians and they found that approximately twenty nine percent of

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them expressed a belief in reincarnation. I also argue in

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my book that there's nothing in the New Testament that

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rules out of belief in reincarnation. Again, many of the

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early Christians accepted it, and Pagans, and I think that

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the reason why people are sort of repulsed by the

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idea of reincarnation because they don't want to be trapped

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on endless, endless wheel of birth and death and rebirth

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and life and death and rebirth. But I also present

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evidence that such fears are groundless. There's reason to believe

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that most of us only incarnate two or three times.

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And anyway, I just like to read something very briefly

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here by let's see here. Okay, Yeah, several modern theologians

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are arguing that, you know, we should take reincarnation service.

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The Christians should take reincarnation seriously. Let's see here. So

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there's theologian Gettis McGregor. He writes, reincarnation takes care of

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the problem of moral injustice. To that age old question

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of job, why do the wicked prosper and the righteous suffer?

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The reincarnation has a ready answer. We are seeing in

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this life only a fragment of a long story. Death

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is but the end of a chapter. It is not

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the end of a store of the story. And then

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there's Leslie Weatherhead, former president of the British Methodist Conference.

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He asked in his case for reincarnation lecture. These are

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his words. If I fail to pass those examinations in life,

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which can only be taken while I dwell in a

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physical body, sure I'll not have to come back and

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take them again. But I mean, you know, I mean,

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once we've learned the lessons of physical life, there's simply

468
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:38.319
no reason to repeat them.

469
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:43.119
All right, we'll going off and mentioned at least for

470
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:47.960
a while, Christians were strongly believed in reincarnation. But when

471
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.519
you consider the Christian doctrine that you know, once you

472
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.960
were saved by Jesus, you are cleansed and clear of

473
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.960
all your sin. There is no need to do any

474
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:02.279
work to grow you know, strong, more righteous. Therefore reincarnation

475
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.640
shouldn't be necessary. What is your argument for that? Like,

476
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.559
how do you, I guess, how do you oppose that belief?

477
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.839
Because I mean that's like, you know, if Jesus washes

478
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.119
away the sin and there's no sin to worry about,

479
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.680
then what need is there for reincarnadish shin recarnition.

480
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.400
Well, I don't think that just because somebody becomes a

481
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:33.559
Christian that means that they have necessarily learned all the

482
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:39.480
lessons of birth life that there aren't learned. For example,

483
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:46.880
a common Stevenson looked for patterns in the former lives

484
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.200
of these children who claim to remember a previous life,

485
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.119
and what he found was a high incident of violent death,

486
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.440
a high incident of dying young. So there seems to

487
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:01.119
be a sense of unfinished business among these children who

488
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:05.079
claim to remember a previous life. So I guess to

489
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.799
answer your question, just because a person is a good person,

490
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.880
or a person has come to an acceptance of the

491
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.119
teachings of Jesus Nazareth, I don't think that necessarily means

492
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:22.320
they've learned all the lessons of earth like that they're

493
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:22.920
here to learn.

494
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.760
Yeah, sorry, do you add anything else?

495
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.599
I was just gonna say that there's I mean, all

496
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:33.400
of us have room.

497
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.039
To grow, for sure. For sure, So is there a

498
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.440
reason why children I mean, I know you had said

499
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.840
that children were studied in primarily because they were young

500
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.320
enough to still talking about the life prior that, for

501
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.119
they were remembered it. But modern times, like nowadays, I

502
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.159
have even a couple of friends who have gone into

503
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:58.159
therapy sessions and they've been doing shadow work to learn

504
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:02.400
why they have certain fears, and they're starting to, I guess,

505
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.599
pull memories from past lives themselves. Now, are there enough

506
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:11.639
studies on adults to like prove that they too have

507
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.199
had a past life or those like I guess I'm

508
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.760
those as as accurate or as real to use his evidence?

509
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.440
Or could that be something else entirely for these people.

510
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:31.519
Well, I'm not familiar with that, okay, with that, those stories,

511
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.119
so I can't those cases, so I can't. I don't

512
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.000
feel comfortable commenting on them. Most of the cases that

513
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:43.119
Ian Stephen even Stein's even Ian Stevenson studied involved children.

514
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.719
These are children who normally begin to talk about being

515
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.119
somebody else in the previous life as soon as they

516
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:55.440
can begin to speak, but once they reach about nine

517
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.719
ten years old, the memories fade. Once they're eleven or twelve,

518
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:05.679
the memories are usually almost completely gone. So it's the

519
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.920
case is that Stevenson dealt with or were children who

520
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.440
remember a previous life, not adults remember a previous life.

521
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.599
That doesn't mean they didn't have one, of course, or

522
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.559
that this is the first time they're here. That just

523
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.840
means the best cases involved children.

524
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.840
I will say that what I find interesting is you said,

525
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.320
how with these children it seemed like in a previous

526
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:31.039
life they had died relatively young. And therefore, and I've

527
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.559
noticed from the case studies that I've read on adults

528
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.519
who are going through this psychotherapy and learning about their

529
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.280
past lives, that they too have either gone through some

530
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.920
sort of highly traumatic entry or even a very early death,

531
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.519
either by you know, being shot or in the wild West,

532
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.079
or you know, being killed by sword. So again, I mean,

533
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.000
I just find that really interesting that it does still

534
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:57.199
line up with some of the stories of these children.

535
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:02.440
Then, Okay, all I can really say is I don't

536
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.880
know much about any evidence involving adults, and so I

537
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:10.280
tend to be skeptical about such evidence in the real

538
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.719
sense of the word, not in the phony sense. Skeptical

539
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.639
in the sense that I'm practicing. I'm suspending belief. I'm

540
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:20.840
not refusing to believe.

541
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:28.000
Okay, So, what are the most common misconceptions that people

542
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.039
have about the afterlife evidence and how do you usually

543
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.840
address them?

544
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:41.440
Well, I'll already mentioned one. That's the the often repeated

545
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.079
lie that the British and American societies investigated and found nothing.

546
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.039
They found any harvest volume of research. There's a library

547
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.719
in England, there's a library in Boston. I think I

548
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.840
think that the ASPR library is still open. I'm not sure.

549
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.599
Don't quote me on that. But they found an enormous

550
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.880
volume the research, and they gathered it into journals, the

551
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:08.199
British Americans, the BSPR Journal, the Journal of the American

552
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.639
Society of Psychical Research. So that's one misconception, and I

553
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.920
think that that miss that's sort of like saying, you know, well,

554
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.119
don't bother to look at the evidence, because there's nothing there.

555
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.920
There's an awful lot there. As I said earlier, that's

556
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.960
one misconception. Another misconception is there is no evidence, it's

557
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.519
all a matter of faith. No, it's not a question.

558
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.960
It's not a question of faith, it's a question of evidence.

559
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.559
And on that topic, I just want to read something else.

560
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.880
The British, British and American Societies. The membership also included

561
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.199
a clergymen, and one of them was the Reverend Charles

562
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.960
Drayton Thomas. He was a Methodist minister, an active member

563
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.239
of the British Society of Psychical Research, and he participated

564
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:56.199
in many sittings with renowned mediums and uh he wrote

565
00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:01.480
once these are his words. Perhaps it will be asked

566
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.320
what benefit may be expected from the general acceptance of

567
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.400
this evidence for survival. I think it will do for

568
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:11.000
others what it has done for me. It has supplemented

569
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:15.239
and reinforced my faith, both in times of bereavement and

570
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.880
in the prospects of old age and death. Also it

571
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:25.000
has further emphasized the value of personal religion. So there's

572
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:33.159
no there is no conflict between Christian belief and the

573
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.360
evidence they supplement and reinforce each other.

574
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.280
And forgive me if you said this at the beginning

575
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.559
of the show, but do we know why the British

576
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.480
Americans like lied about the evidence that they found?

577
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.280
What the membership of the British and American societies never

578
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:53.639
lied about the evidence they found.

579
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:54.760
It's the.

580
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:02.400
Materialists, the so called skeptics, who have often remarked all

581
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.760
of those societies found nothing, society awful lot.

582
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.159
Yeah, I apologie. I thought you were saying that they

583
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.719
had lied about it, about all the books and stuff

584
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:12.800
that they found found.

585
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:16.199
No, no, no, they wrote the books, thereonicals, they wrote

586
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.239
the studies, they built the libraries, they conducted the research.

587
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.119
Well, now, how do materialistic world views limit our understanding

588
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.320
of consciousness and survival?

589
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.480
Well, I guess they give us this enormous blind spot.

590
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.000
I don't think we should go through life wearing blinkers,

591
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:48.199
just ignoring uh evidence that doesn't fit in with our

592
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.280
preconceived ideas. I know that's certainly the easier path. It's

593
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.920
always difficult to change our minds change our opinions. Most

594
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:02.239
of us regard our opinions as uh valued personal possessions,

595
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.280
and so we try to the normal human instinct is

596
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.480
to try to hold onto them and defend them against

597
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.760
any sort of challenge. But uh, there's nothing here to

598
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:12.360
be afraid of.

599
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.000
Well, now, if consciousness uh does survive death, but what

600
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.199
does that mean? Do you think? What does that mean

601
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.400
for how we live our lives now are going forward?

602
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:31.320
It's like everybody just believed that. What do you think

603
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:31.960
we should be doing?

604
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.639
Well? One of my appendices, I've got six appendencies in

605
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.639
the book, and one of the pendency appendices is why

606
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.239
do why does what we believe matter? Yes, it's Appendix three.

607
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:47.039
I'm looking at it right here. Is that essentially what

608
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.559
you're asking me? Why does what we believe matter? Yeah?

609
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.280
Yeah, if consciousness exists after death?

610
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.079
Yeah, well it because what we believe determines to a

611
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.440
large extent, how we how we live our lives here

612
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:06.679
and now, I mean I mentioned the philosopher and this

613
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.719
appendix three, who mentions this? And you know, I mean

614
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.360
obviously such a belief can overcome the fear of death

615
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.400
and extermination. So if nothing else, it can help us

616
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.679
put that fear aside and allow us to get on

617
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:23.199
with living our lives without that fear lingering in the background.

618
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:32.119
He mentions five other benefits. But again and again, the

619
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.800
communications coming through mediums stress the importance of realizing that

620
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.039
this life is not all there is. And that well,

621
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.599
I think there's someone named Julia who communicated through a

622
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.599
fellow name a journalist named W two Steed. Steed went

623
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:52.039
down with the Titanic, but before he did, in the

624
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:56.400
years before that, he actually discovered he was a gifted medium,

625
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.679
and he put together this book titled Letters from Julia,

626
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.280
which are a series of communications from a woman, a

627
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.119
young woman who died that he knew. And one of

628
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.639
the letters is like this, where Julia stresses great importance

629
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.800
of knowing more about the true reality. And this is

630
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.159
what this is part of the message it came through.

631
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.239
You may think it's strange that the verification of another

632
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.880
life should increase the importance of this, but such is

633
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.119
the fact. And you can never understand the importance of

634
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.519
your life until you see it from this side. You

635
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:38.079
are never, for one moment idle from influencing eternity.

636
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:44.679
Wow, do you think that belief in the afterlife has

637
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.280
ethical or societal consequences.

638
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:56.679
I personally, I think. So, I mean, think about again,

639
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.199
what we believe determines to how we live Our lives

640
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.519
depends to a large extent on what we believe comes

641
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.239
after it and what we believe to be the nature

642
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:10.440
of the universe. So think about what we're doing to

643
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.000
the what we're doing to the environment right now, I mean,

644
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:19.559
we're damaging our We're run the risk of irreparably damaging

645
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:25.679
our ecosystem, putting our entire civilization in grave danger. The problem,

646
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.920
of course, if we reach what's called kipping points, points

647
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:34.119
of no return, essentially simple. One of the simplest examples

648
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.079
I can think of is with regards to melting of

649
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:43.440
the Arctic ice caps. Now, the snow snow caps, the

650
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.519
snow and ice of the Arctic being mostly white. It

651
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:53.400
reflects the sunlight coming in. But because of global heating,

652
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.360
they are beginning to melt. And that's and that's doing

653
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.559
two things. One thing it's doing is it's releasing It's

654
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.639
exposing the soil underneath in which methane is trapped. And

655
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.000
the methane is also heating up and being released into

656
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.679
the atmosphere. Methane is even more potent gacid global heating

657
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.719
than carbon dioxide. And so the more methane is released,

658
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.599
the more the earth heats, the more the polar ice

659
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:26.360
caps melt, the less sunlight is reflected from the polar

660
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.559
ice caps back into the space, the more methane is released,

661
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.039
and so on and so on in a vicious circle.

662
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:38.480
That's one example. If we reach the point where that

663
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:43.199
process becomes almost irreversible, that's a tipping point, a point

664
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.800
of no return. It self reinforces itself. More heating caused,

665
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.920
more polar ice to cap, more methane released, less sunlight

666
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.159
released back in space, higher temperatures, more melting of the

667
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.960
polar ice caps, more methane released, less sunlight reflected back

668
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.559
in space, and so on and so forth. So these

669
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:08.519
these are the sort of sort of things that keep

670
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:14.920
climate scientists up at night. Many of them. You talk

671
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.760
to them and you feel a sense of desperation in

672
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.559
their voices, or sense of almost panic. We can't cross

673
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.760
these tipping points, because if we do, then all bets

674
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.800
are off. Now. All these people are saying, mostly people

675
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.679
who are lobbyists with the oil and coal industries. You know,

676
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.639
they're saying that you know, global global, they're trying to

677
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.400
raise doubt. There's I called from merchants of doubt. They're

678
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.320
not trying to prove that global heating is not man made.

679
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.639
They're saying, you know, the science is inconclusive. It hasn't

680
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.320
been settled. There's no consensus. You know, there's arguments on

681
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:51.440
both sides. There are no good arguments on the other side. Uh,

682
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.239
the planet is heating up, and all the evidence suggests

683
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.320
that we're doing it with our emissions. But why would

684
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.480
some why would these people be doing it? Well, obviously

685
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:03.559
because they benefit financially from the production of fossil fuels,

686
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.559
either directly because they work with these companies or their

687
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.239
shareholders in these companies, or they own these companies, or

688
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:17.239
they're being paid to lobby for these companies. But if

689
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.679
you believe that death is not the final word, then

690
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.199
this life is not all there is, and it changes

691
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.159
our definition or our idea of what it means to

692
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.920
play the long game. In other words, the game doesn't

693
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.719
end with our deaths, and so we should be concerned

694
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:37.400
about this fate of the planet and future generations and

695
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:44.679
not simply just live for our own lives, right or

696
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.159
live for ourselves.

697
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.159
I totally agree with you. You know, while you're talking

698
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.199
is making me think of like during COVID when everybody,

699
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.000
you know, the whole world is pretty much shut down,

700
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.599
and how many of the waters in Venice started to

701
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.320
clear up and dotin started coming in. They haven't you know,

702
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.760
been spaying those waters for years and years and years,

703
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.159
and we've seen pollution at that time kind of subside

704
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.800
and the ozone started to shrink a little bit. And

705
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.760
it amazes me how often, you know, people will talk

706
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.320
about global warming or certain animals going extinct, or the mountain,

707
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.480
pollution within the Indian Ocean, or just in the oceans

708
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in general for that matter, and yet they don't seem

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to care. Like I watch people. I live in Cleveland, Ohio,

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and I watch people driving down the street. They'll take

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a bag of McDonald's just toss it out the window.

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It's all their garbage is hitting the ground and they

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keep on going and I see it over and over

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and over again, and you know, it's it's it. Really,

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I think it's sad because these individuals are you know,

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they think, oh, well, even if it is real, if

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global warming is happening, if these animals are going extinct

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if the world is as polluted as it is. The

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tipping point isn't going to happened in my lifetime, So

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you know who cares? And you know that just goes

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right along with what you're saying that we need to

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focus on future generations and what the earth is going

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to be, you know, ten years, twenty years, one hundred

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years from now, and savage, there's so much selfishness I

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think in some of these people that live in this

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world that they just you know, they're they're ignorant to it,

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or they just simply don't care. Yeah.

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Well, the great novelist George Orwell he uh, I think

729
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he expressed it quite well. He said, what was it now?

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The greatest the greatest threat to mankind is the decay

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in the belief in personal immortality. I think that, Yeah,

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I think that a lot of these people who are

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Milton atheists or hostile to the idea of religion, hostile

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to the idea of an afterlife. These are people who

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don't want to be held accountable for their lives.

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M It's it's just wild. It's boggling to me, you know.

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So we're kind of getting close to the end here.

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So I've got just two more questions for you. But uh,

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first and foremost, what if anything, would you want your

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readers to take away from this book in particular?

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Mhm m all right, I guess uh that. See, this

742
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is my fourth book, and all four of my books

743
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are attacks on the skeptical fortress. If the first three

744
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can be thought of as an ar model, then this

745
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one is more like a surgical strike. It's much more,

746
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much more focused, much more. Yeah, it's it's it's basically

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a lot more focused. It's shorter.

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I think it's.

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Important to realize that if a person is familiar with

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the best evidence for survival and has the tools that

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I give people in the Toolkit, because my first part

752
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of the case for the Afterlife it's called the toolkit,

753
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and I give readers the tools necessary to evaluate the

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evidence and the skeptical objections, then the supreme irony of

755
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.519
studying the skeptical objections is that it results in an

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even greater conviction that we survived the deaths of our

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bodies because we realize that the counter arguments are all

758
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very very flimsy. Don't stand up, do not stand up

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to critical scrutiny.

760
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:50.440
Right. Well, my final question is I just want to

761
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give you the opportunity to share, you know, where people

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can find you, where they can find your book, anything

763
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that you'd like to share. The floor is all yours, okay. Well.

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The book is titled The Case for the Afterlife. It's

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available on Amazon dot com, Amazon dot CA, a Amazon

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dot UK, and various other outlets too, good Reads a

767
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.880
few others. It's also available at fine brick and mortar

768
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bookstores where I like to shop, such as Barnes and Noble.

769
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It's not hard to find, oh. They can also they

770
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:26.880
can also go to the Llewellyn website, my publisher's website,

771
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and maybe later on Eric you can provide a link

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00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:35.920
a link for absolutely on a beliek for it, and

773
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.159
they go to the Lawell and Read website. They can

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read a description of my book. They can read endorsements

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of my book from fairly well known individuals in the field.

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And they can also read a short essay that I

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wrote I think the I think it's called uh, can

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we prove that we that we survived the death of

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our bodies? Or something like that. It's basically it's basically

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a short essay which will give readers a good idea

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of how of how I write and what my book

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is all about.

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All right, well, Chris, thank you so much for joining me.

784
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It's been a real pleasure talking to you and getting

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your thoughts on all of this. It's been awesome.

786
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:14.159
Yes, thank you, Eric.

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All Right, folks, So that was Chris Carter on his

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book The Case of the Afterlife. Make sure you check

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out this book if you If you don't have it already,

790
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you should definitely go to the Wild dot Com or

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any of the other sides. We're gonna have links down

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here in the descriptions for you. Make sure you click

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on those and check it out. It's a pleasant read,

794
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it's fascinating and if it doesn't just blow your mind

795
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some of the evidence that is in there. I don't

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know what to tell you, but definitely check it out, y'all.

797
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So with that said, unfortunately, obviously you guys saw Justin

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did not join us today. He was busy with some

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work related stuff. So he will be joining us again

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next week, of course, So just make sure you like, share,

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subscribe wherever you listen to the show. Also make sure

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to check out the other shows I needed Public Radio

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Network where We just want to build a community of

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listeners and show hosts here. So again, this has been

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a pre recorded show on one of seven point seven

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FM New Orleans and United Public Radio Network. So until

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next week where you will find us at the same

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time on the same channel. My name is Eric Peace.