Oct. 30, 2024

The Mystery of the 3 Jacks

The Mystery of the 3 Jacks

What's going on, ParaTruthers?! On this episode, we talk about: - The Legend of Stingy Jack - The Legend of Spring-Heeled Jack - The History of Jack the Ripper ...and as always, we leave it up to you on what you believe the truth is! But we would...

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What's going on, ParaTruthers?! On this episode, we talk about:

  1. The Legend of Stingy Jack
  2. The Legend of Spring-Heeled Jack
  3. The History of Jack the Ripper

...and as always, we leave it up to you on what you believe the truth is! But we would love to hear what you think. So, comment on socials or on the episode itself. We are now doing video on YouTube as well! And please like, share, and subscribe wherever you listen!

Reference sites:
https://www.saintsandscholars.com/blog/stingyjack
https://ukmythology.wordpress.com/legend-of-spring-heeled-jack/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-the-Ripper

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Welcome. Well, well, do parah.

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Truth Truth, what's going on? Paratruthers. Welcome to a brand

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new episode of Paratruth Reborn. My name is Justin and

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I'm Eric, and today is our Halloween episode. So Happy Halloween, everybody.

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Happy Halloween, Eric.

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Happy Halloween to you. We've been waiting a whole year

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for this day.

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Yeah, I don't remember if we even Well, no, we

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didn't do a Halloween episode year.

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We were going to. That was the plan because we

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had we had uh decided to start a break in

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August and I was like, well, we'll come back for

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Halloween episodes. At that point, we were going to do

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you know, a couple of episodes here and there over

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the year when something significant would happen in the media

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regarding the paranormal world, and then we just didn't do it.

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Yeah. So so well, before we get into the topics

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for today, what are you going for Halloween this year?

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Well, I'm going as a dragon because I have to

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go as a dragon. My niece's request. Dragons and unicorns.

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Dragons and unicorns.

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Yes, the guys are dragons and the girls are unicorns.

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No specific reason, just because she wanted.

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Yeah, that's what she wanted. It was, uh, well that's

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what she wanted originally. That was like back in August

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she decided that. And of course last month she decided

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she wanted to do something dressed like a witch or something,

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but my sister told her no, she had already made

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up her mind. She got her unicorn outfit and that's

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what we're doing. So yeah, so unicorns and dragons. My

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mask is on its way. Oh I did not get

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the wings like my brother in law.

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Oh I was cheap. Yeah, we're not sure what we're

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doing yet. We're probably just going to recycle some costumes

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and hand out candy. This year, this will be the

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first time we actually do that.

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So nice. Oh good. I mean we always end up

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handing out candy, like at the end of the night

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we go out trigg or treating for like an hour

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or two, however long the girls can hand it. You know,

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they're two and three years old. So if it's cold

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night like last year was really cold, both my nieces

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are turning blue after about an hour. So depending on

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when we get back, we usually head back to the

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house and we build a little bonfire outside. We'll pass

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out some candy, hang out with some neighbors, and of

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course every year my brother in law makes basically his

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own homemade hard apple citer alcoholic apple cider. So we

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go around the town drinking that. We basically trade alcoholic

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drinks with neighbors and yeah, it's a good time, trade

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alcohola drink. Yeah, it's the thing, man, it's it's a

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good time.

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Well, the only neighbor we have is ninety three and

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she usually doesn't drink, so probably won't be a thing

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for us. But all right, today we are going to

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be talking about the mysterious, the mystery of the three Jacks. Now,

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we've done an episode about this, I think twice on

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Paratruth now, but we wanted a resurrective for Paratruth be

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born because it's just an interesting set of circumstances that

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these three particular jacks are very spooky in nature. Now,

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the first Jack that we had talked about last time,

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I decided to keep him for this time is Stingy Jack. Now,

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if you don't know the legend of Stingy Jack, it's

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kind of an interesting one. On a chilly night in

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a quaint Irish village, a notorious drunkard named Stingy Jack resided.

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His infamy for trickery resonated through twisted alleys and dimly

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lit pubs, reaching far beyond the Emerald Hills. Even the

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devil heard whispers of his name. On one fateful night,

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the devil's burning curiosity drew him up from the dark

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fiery depths to engage with Jack. Being a wily rogue

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with a taste for mischief, Jack invited the devil for

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a pint at a local pub. They savored the bitter

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ale as the moon climbed higher in the night sky.

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But when the bill arrived, Stingy Jack, with a twinkle

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of deceit in his eyes, convinced the devil to morph

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into a shiny coin for the payment. However, instead of

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setting the bill, Jack pocketed the coin next to a

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silver cross, trapping the devil. After an agonizing stint in

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Jack's pocket, the devil was finally freed under the condition

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that he would leave Jack untouched for a year. With

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no other choice. The devil begrudgingly agreed. As the seasons

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changed and the leaves turned, a year swiftly flew by,

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and the devil emerged from the shadows. Jack cleverly persuaded

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the devil to climb a gnarled old tree for a

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juicy crimson apple. Once he ascended, Jack swiftly etched across

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into the rough bark, trapping the devil once more, this

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time with a voice trembling with the rage. In despair,

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the devil vowed to leave Jack untouched for ten more years.

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Yet fate had other plans, and Jack found himself facing

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death soon after. Heaven denied Jack entry for his sinful,

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mischievous life, and Hell, still bound by the devil's bow,

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reluctantly did the same. Yet with a mocking gesture of

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the devil toss Jack a single burning ember from the

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fiery pits to light his way through the eternity dark

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eternal darkness. With a flicker of his cunning Jack followed, Oh,

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I'm sorry, hollowed out and old turn up, placed the

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ember within, and began his endless rome on Earth, marking

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the inception of you guessed it, the Jack O'Lantern. Now,

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when I first heard this legend, and even before I

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actually kind of read this, I had discovered that Jack

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o' lanterns were originally turn ups. Do you know why

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they ended up as Jack o' lanterns, Eric.

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You mean as to why their jack lanterns today or yes,

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as we know them. As we know them, I mean,

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aside from the fact that the pumpkins grow, they're they're

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indigenous to North America. That's exactly the reason the programs

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came over Boom. They decided they found out actually that

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the pumpkin had a much more stable platform to actually

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carve faces into. So that's why they ended up stopping

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their turn out. That they stopped the turn up. There's

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still plenty of people overseas who still carved turnips just

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for you know, history's sake. But yeah, the pumpkin was

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just a better successor, if you will.

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Yeah. Well, and turnips grow much more predominantly in Ireland

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because of the climate there, but I'm sure they've adopted

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pumpkins in surge areas. Yeah, So this was an interesting tale.

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You know, the Irish are known for their captivating tales,

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and the story of Sandy Jack is no exception, of course,

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giving rise to numerous renditions over time. I actually did

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one as a short story. Maybe I'll post that for

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you guys to see as well, because it's a pretty

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good story. In my opinion. This tale spurred the tradition

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of carving faces into turnips, beets, and potatoes, along among

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the Irish, who placed these eerie visages on windowsills hoping

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to ward off Sandy Jack and other wandering spirits. The

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tradition sailed across the Atlantic with Irish immigrants scanning popularity,

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especially during the potato famine era. So that's where this

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kind of all took place, bringing it to the US,

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and then we started doing pumpkins for that particular reason,

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the potato famine, and also pumpkins grew naturally here it

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was a little bit easier to get them, and as

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Eric said, it was easier to carve them as well.

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When when we first did this episode, had you heard

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the story or had you heard that it was originally

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turn ups before pumpkins.

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No, I mean, growing up, I always thought it was pumpkins.

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I didn't know until we started Para Truth and started

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you know, or not even Paratruth. But honestsuming back when

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we were still doing Night Stalkers is when we first.

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Really think that's when we first found about the turn up.

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I don't know if youah heard the Cingy Jack story

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or not.

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Stdy Jack. You know what, I can't remember necessarily either.

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The only the only one that I showed it I

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remember from way back then was our Crampis episode, a

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Christmas episode. But yes, stingy, I think it was probably

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like twenty fourteen. I guess that is my earliest recollection

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of learning about it.

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All right, Yeah, and that same I remember kind of

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learning turn ups. It might have been during Night Soccers,

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not really sure. And then we when we did our

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Halloween episode for Paratruth, we found out the reason why

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we have the Jack o' lantern legend and why we

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use Jack o' lanterns. I always knew that it was

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because to ward off the evil spirits from Halloween, but

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and I didn't look this up. You might know this

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better than I. Halloween all howls eve. The only reason

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really we really do it that time of the year

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is because the veil is supposed to be thinner.

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Correct, supposedly supposedly.

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So interesting little story for you guys, that one of

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my favorites for Halloween, on top of the other two

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Jacks that we're going to talk about here. But Eric,

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I'll hand it over you for the next Jack.

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Sure, So we're gonna head on over to spring Here

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held at Jack. The legend of springhil Jack. This is

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one that I think is by far one of the

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most interesting stories, because this isn't just a typical tale,

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this is actually this is actually like there's eyewitness accounts.

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This was in the news, you know, back in the

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eighteen thirties. So I find it really interesting. We'll talk

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more about it at the end, get some ideas or

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thoughts what this person or entity was, And of course

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we're gonna want to hear your thoughts too, by the way,

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So at any moment or anytime we'll be in chat,

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you can feel free to add in your little thoughts

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or if you have any knowledge behind this and what

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the truth is, we'd love to hear that too. So anyway,

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the legend of spring Heeled Jack. It was about late

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September of eighteen thirty seven when the first sighting of

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spring Heeled Jack was first reported. Now, a businessman was

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turning home late at night in London when he was

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terrified by the figure of a man who took a

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huge leap with ease over the high railings of Barnes Cemetery. Now,

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the mysterious figure landed directly in front of him, but luckily,

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the stunt businessman was not attacked. He was able, however,

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to give up full description of a muscular man of

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devilish features that included large pointed ears and a nose

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and protruding glowing eyes. Whatever protruding glowing eyes is, Like,

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this is a weird thing. I don't know if they're

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saying pointed ears and a nose and protruding as in

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the noses protruding or as in protruding glowing eyes, that's

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a weird one.

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It would be freaky, I think, regardless. But I'm guessing

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it's talking about the eyes and a lot of the

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and a lot of the depictions of spring hiel Jack.

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His eyes are kind of bulging.

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Okay, Okay. So not long after this bizarre encounter, another

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incident occurred where poll Adams and her two best friends

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were attacked by similar creature. And I want to really

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examine this keyword creature here, so hold on to that

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as which was a creature in which attacked the businessman

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in front of the cemetery, Only this time there was

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an actual attack. Polly was separated from her friends who

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ran away, and the muscular man of out of parents,

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tore at her clothing and scratched her stomach with what

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she later described as iron clad fingers. Now I want

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to also say iron clad. The word clad here is interesting.

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Hi guys, my cat's just showed up m kitten, So

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if you hear them on in the Background'm sorry. The

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word iron clad I think is interesting because the word

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clad here, I think also represents cold, as you'll see

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in some other depictions here his hands often are described

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as being very cold. So anyway, Later in October of

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eighteen thirty seven in London, a servant called Mary Stevens

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was walking to Lavender Hill, where she worked, after visiting

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her parents in Battersea. Now, when she reached Clapham Common,

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a strange figure leapt from a dark alley. He managed

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to trap her within his arms, and, as with Polly Adams,

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the creature there's the word again, scratched at her with

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claw like hands that were cold and clammy as those

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of a corpse. Frightened out of her wits, Mary screamed,

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which brought some rescuers running to her aid and her

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attacker running into the night. Now these attacks did not

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go unnoticed, of course, by the press, and it was

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not long until the attacker was given a number of names,

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but two of the which that were most famous was

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the Park Ghost and spring heeled Jack, which of course stuck.

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Now there were really even official recognition of the attacks,

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with Surge John Cohen, lord Mayor of London at the time,

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discussing incidents at a public house session on the ninth

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of January of eighteen thirty eight. Now it does appear

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that he was very mistrustful of many reports, as he

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believed they had been greatly exaggerated, But nonetheless these are

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his words that he had said. It appears that some

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individuals have laid a wager with a mischievous and foolhardy

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companion that he durst not take upon himself the task

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of visiting many of the villages near London in three

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different disguises, a ghost, a bear, and a devil, and moreover,

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that he will not enter a gentleman's gardens for the

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purpose of alarming the inmates of the house. The wager

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has however, been accepted, and the unmanly villain has succeeded

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in depriving seven ladies of their senses too, of whom

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will are unlikely to ever recover, but to become burdens

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to their families. Instead, not one of the houses, the

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man rang a bell, and on the servant coming to

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open the door, this worse than brute, stood in no

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less dreadful figure than that of a specter clad most perfectly.

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The consequence was that the poor girl immediately swooned and

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has never from that moment been in her senses. The

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affair has now been going on for some time, and

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strange to say, the papers are still silent on the subject.

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The writer has reason to believe that they have the

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whole story or the whole history at their finger ends,

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but through interested motives, are induced to remain silent. So

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here's a little something we've talked about many times, and

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that's the idea of a conspiracy. In this case, it's

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in regard to various medias papers in this case withholding

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information trying to hide it from the public eye for

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one reason or another, probably to refrain from creating some

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sort of mass hysteria. Did they know more than they

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then they let on? Most likely who this character was.

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Nobody really knows, but the fact that this character was

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capable of basically scaring women a couple of women so

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much so that they would never recover, they would basically

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lie ill for the rest of their lives. Is an

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interesting thing, and it tells me it's potentially something more

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than just human that would have done the scaring. Now,

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back then, things are a lot different. There was a

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lot of superstition, of course in the eighteen hundreds, superstition

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that was much more readily availed, that readily available, but

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I guess are taken more seriously than it is today.

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And so something like a person who's even dressed funny,

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like the devil in this case, or a ghost or

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a bear, you know, might get a bigger reaction than

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what we might get today if that same person, you know,

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notch on our door right now. There have been There

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were a number of letters that came in from all

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over London, each one telling of a wicked pranks. London

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was being terrified by an unknown assailant, and the mayor

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tried to reassure the people of London by telling them

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that the fugitive would be caught. The Times newspaper went

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on to print a story from the Brighton Gazette in

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April fourteenth of eighteen thirty eight, telling the story of

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a gardener in rose Hill, Sussex, on the thirteenth of April,

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about a creature in which it was the shape of

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a bear or some other four footed animal, which I

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think is curious. It growled loudly, getting the gardener's attention

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pretty quickly. It then climbed onto a garden wall, running

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along the top of it on all four feet. It

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leapt down off the wall and then proceeded to chase

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the terrified gardener for a quick some time until it

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was until it once more scaled the garden wall and

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ran off. Now to think that this creature is all

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the same person or entity as possible a bear running

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along the wall sounds a little weird. Actually this kind

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of stuff for me when I'm picturing it, I'm starting

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to picture like a wolfman type of character climbing the walls,

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running along the top of it, and you know, leaping

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onto people. Now, there are three accounts there that we

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do want to talk about, or at least two, so

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Jane Elsups and Lucy Scales. So Jane els Up. It

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was about late in the evening of February twentieth of

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a eighteen thirty eight when the eighteen year old Jane

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also answered her father's front door to a man claiming

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to be a London policeman. As she opened the door,

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he yelled out to her, for God's sake, bring me

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a light, for we have caught spring hel jack in

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the lane. She ran back into the house, grabbing a candle,

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and as she ran toward the strange man, she noticed

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that he was wearing a long, dark cloak, and as

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she handed him the candle, he threw the cloak from

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his shoulders and began to spit out blue flames, blue

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and white flames from his mouth. The man grabbed hold

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of the petrified girl and started to claw at her

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with his sharp fingers. It was luckily Jane screaming for

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help that brought her sister running to her side and

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dragged Jane inside to her father's house. One of the

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strangest parts of the story was that as soon as

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the door was slammed shut, the attacker actually knocked on

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the door again, waiting for a response, but eventually left

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when no one did. Now. Very similar to this account

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is that of Lucy Scales, which occurred eight days later

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on the twenty eighth of February in eighteen thirty eight,

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when Lucy Scales was attacked around eight thirty pm, also

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as eighteen years old. She and her sister had just

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finished visiting with her butcher brother living in the Limehouse. Now,

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as Lucy and her sister passed a Green Dragon alley,

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they noticed a man standing at the entrance. As the

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two girls got close, they noticed the man was wearing

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a long, dark cloak, and then all of a sudden,

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he grabbed Lucy and vomited a quantity of blue flame

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into her shocked face, blinding her and frightening her so

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badly that she suffered seizures like fits. Now Charles Pritchell

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would later say that she was suffering from hysterics and

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great agitation in all the probability the result of fright. So,

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now that we're here at the end of this story,

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I think it's really interesting because we have a devil,

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a bear, a ghost, and a creature dressed in a

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cloak that spits fire that blinds people but doesn't burn

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them apparently. I mean, there's really no explanation, Like I

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can't even think of an idea of what this could

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be other than like some sort of trickster spirit. So

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then we're kind of moving out the realm necessarily of

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some sort of cryptid or entity or human being that

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is doing these things, especially capable and manifesting in a

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number of different ways, it would seem, assuming it's all

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the same entity. Now, I think there's a lot of

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potential as to what this blue flame is if it

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was indeed a human being doing this, especially at least

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for the first story in terms of Jane Elso she

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brought a candle out and this person had alcohol in

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their mouth waiting for her, he very well could have

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blue on the candle and create kind of a you know,

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a flamethrower effect, and depending on the type of alcohol

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the person's using, it could turn the flame blue instead

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of your typical orange or red. So there is that

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possibility for trying to debunk this. However, as far as

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we know, there was no fire available during Lucy's Scale's

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account aside from that which came from his mouth and

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the fact that it didn't burn her but did blind

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her tells us it was very bright and either a

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was just super bright and that's it, or B it

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was some sort of chemical that affected her eyes but

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not her skin. So you know what these creatures, this

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creature or a person could really be is beyond me

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aside from some sort of trickster spirit. What are your

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thoughts on all of this?

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Well, I mean mean some of it can can be

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explained away. I mean I mean people with with not nails,

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but like metal gloves that have sharpened fingertips and stuff

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like that could explain that. The claws or claw like

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hands scratching. You already mentioned somebody having alcohol in their

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mouth and blowing on a flame causing a blue flame.

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A lot of magicians could could probably pull off a

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lot of these particular acts without it being able to

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be explained per se. But the animal like creatures and

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the quote unquote devil, it is a little odd. It

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could have been somebody in a costume, but if it

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was running at the speed of these animals, highly.

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Unlikely, especially on four legs.

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Unfortunate, right, And not that humans can't do that, we

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just don't, right, So Yeah, it's it's an odd tale.

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But interestingly enough, like you said, it is brought up

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in the newspapers and the media is there, So yeah,

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an odd tale. I had kind of known of Spring

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hil Jack prior to us doing the episode years ago,

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but I didn't know all the legends until we had

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actually gone over them.

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Right. Well, you know, during the time, there were quite

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a few other ideas of what this thing could have been.

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You know, everyone was trying to figure out whether it

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was an animal or person or otherwise. And one of

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my favorite things here that I did find was that

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there was some speculation that the culprit behind all of

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this was actually a deranged kangaroo. Yes, it was a

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deranged kangaroo that was jumping over things and attacking people.

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Now they didn't specify as to why or how it

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would have been spitting fire, but in a way, yeah,

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I could see a jumping kangaroo, people seeing it as

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kind of a devilish figure with pointed ears and a

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pointed nose. But even still it seems like a weird thing,

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especially in London. Yeah.

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Well, I mean I believe we had zoos around back then.

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It's possibly escaped or circus even.

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Well, even just it could have just been even like

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someone rich.

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You know, and at that time, England was the ruling body.

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I think technically they are still kind of the ruling

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body in Australia. If you're in Australia. Please correct me

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on that. I do apologize. I don't know the the

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politics of Australia and England. But back then they were

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probably I believe, still the ruling body of Australia, so

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there would have been that possibility for them to get

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a hold of kangaroo and the blue flame that could

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have just been somebody's fear taking hold if it was

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a kangaroo during kangaroo a rabid kangaroo. But I don't

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know like that the description of a bear. That would

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have had to have been a really fat kangaroo, right.

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I remain on all fours at all times.

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As likely, and I think the only time they travel

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like that is when they're moving slowly, not.

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And there's no mention of a giant tail or, you know, anything. Right,

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But then again, you know, once again, who's the cloak figure.

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It wasn't a kangaroo dressing in a cloak, spitting fire

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little you know, eighteen year old woman's hair face. I mean,

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unless unless there was some sort of evolution pattern that

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you know, died off since then.

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But yeah, it's an interesting one and and I don't

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know it's one of those ones too where it's hard

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to wipe away any all possibilities of a supernatural being.

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It can be debunked to a certain extent, but mh

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unsure for sure.

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Right.

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Yeah, So again, I don't think either of us really

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knew anything about Cindy Jack prior to doing our Halloween

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episode years ago. And interestingly enough, spring hil Jack is

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also a comic book character in Marvel Comics, I believe,

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But I don't think he has jumping abilities or anything

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like that. So I don't know why they call him

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spring hil Jack other than he's from the UK.

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Yeah, and there is I mean, there is a connection there,

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and what that connection is exactly, I don't know, but yeah,

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he has become a superhero.

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Since apparently Eric has ghosts today or cats running into glass.

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All right, So last Jack, if you don't know this name,

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I do encourage you to google this because it's one

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of those learning type experiences as well. So Jack the Ripper. Now,

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if you don't know Jack the Ripper, here's a little

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bit of history on Jack the Ripper. He was a

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serial killer back in the late eighteen hundreds. He was

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linked to specifically five murders of women. They were I

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believe all of the we'll just say street walking variety

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of women. There were others some dozen murders between eighteen

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eighty eight and eighteen ninety two that the authorities thought

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that could have been Jack the Ripper, but they never

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identified that there was a connection, nor did they ever

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find Jack the Ripper.

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But the.

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So called five canonical five victims were Mary Ann Nichols,

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whose body was found on August thirty first, Annie Chapman,

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whose found September eighth, Elizabeth Stride who was found on

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September thirtieth, and Catherine Kate Edows found September thirtieth, and

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Mary Jane Kelly November ninth. According to common assumption of

465
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the time, all the victims were prostitutes, as I said,

466
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:30.000
Kelly were. I'm sorry Kelly was murdered while soliciting on

467
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.920
the street. That belief was subsequently taken for granted in

468
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.640
books about the crimes, which typically offered conjectures as to

469
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.920
the true identity of Jack the Ripper and reported graphic

470
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:51.720
details of the murderers. He committed, Jack the Ripper, I

471
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.039
feel it should be synonymous with murder. If you haven't

472
00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:00.480
heard of him before. It was a very time in

473
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:06.839
England and the I believe it was during the steam

474
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.240
era at that time. There are people that believe that

475
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.000
Jack the Ripper was actually an American who came to

476
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:22.240
England had mutilated these women. In each instance, the victim's

477
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.319
throat was cut and the body was usually mutilated in

478
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.160
a manner, indicating that the murder had at least some

479
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.680
knowledge or the murderer had some knowledge of human anatomy,

480
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.119
so they believed he had a doctorate of some kind.

481
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:41.160
One occasion, half of a human kidney was removed, which

482
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.519
may have been extracted from the murder victim, but they

483
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:48.079
weren't sure, and was mailed to the police. The authorities

484
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.720
also received a series of taunting notes from a person

485
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:55.559
calling himself Jack the Ripper and reporting to be the murderer.

486
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:59.160
I do believe he at one point also left a

487
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:05.119
message on a wall at one of the murder scenes.

488
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.799
I don't know. I don't know about the wall. I

489
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.160
do know that there was despite the fact that he

490
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.160
supposedly sent in mail. In fact, the whole reason he

491
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.480
even got the name Jack the Ripper was because somebody

492
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.720
who had sent in mail claiming that he was the

493
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.799
killer had signed it with the name Jack, and then

494
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.640
Jack the Ripper came into play. But there were a

495
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.960
speculation that it was actually the newspaper, certain individuals within

496
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.079
the newspaper who were making up these letters and sending

497
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.640
them so that they can get more attention later on

498
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.759
and helped guide people's eyes to this paper and get

499
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.480
more sales. So whether or not it was actually Jack

500
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.440
the Ripper or just a ploy by the local newspaper

501
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.759
to sell paper is still out for debate.

502
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.440
Do you know why whoever it was chose the name Jack.

503
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.400
No, because nobody figured out who it was. They never

504
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.920
came forward, they never said, but just based on I

505
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.760
think the paper that was used and the way something

506
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.239
that was written or something the police had speculated, there

507
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.039
was a good chance it was just the paper, someone

508
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.599
from them. Not that the paper themselves said hey go

509
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.920
do this, but somebody out of their own, on their

510
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.239
own time, from the paper ended up sending in these things,

511
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:28.760
possibly just for fun.

512
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.480
Well, I can tell you what they speculated. Why they

513
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.920
that he called himself Jack, okay, because that was a

514
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.880
common name back then for a man got it. And

515
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.639
then the Ripper of course, because of the mutilated bodies.

516
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:51.159
Now the most common sighted suspects are Montague drew It,

517
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:56.000
a barrister and the teacher with an interest in surgery,

518
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:59.119
who was said to be insane and who disappeared after

519
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.360
the final murder and was later found dead. Michael Ostrog,

520
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:09.559
a Russian criminal physician who had been placed in an

521
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:15.000
asylum because of his homicidal tendencies. And Aaron Kaziminski, a

522
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.760
Polish Jew and a resident of Whitechapel who was known

523
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:24.800
to have a great animus toward women, particularly prostitutes, who

524
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.920
was hospitalized in an asylum several months after the last murder.

525
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.800
Several notable Londoners of the era, such as the painter

526
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.840
Walter Sickert and the physician Sir William Gall also have

527
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.760
been some subjects of such speculation. The murder sites have

528
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:48.239
become the locus of macabre tourist industry in London. And

529
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.679
if I remember correctly, almost all of these murders, except

530
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.079
for one or two, happened in the Whitechapel district. So

531
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:03.519
they suspected a Jew because of that fact, which is

532
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.000
shows how much prejudice there there was even back then

533
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:15.800
for Jewish people. Now, why did we choose these three jacks?

534
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:23.840
Basically just the stories themselves, but interestingly they all have

535
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.719
kind of a spiritual connection because there was this speculation

536
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:32.760
that Jack the Ripper wasn't necessarily insane but possessed as well,

537
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:39.280
and kind of sort of sounds similar to spring Heel Jack,

538
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.440
except for I don't think they ever described him as

539
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.679
jumping over walls in a single bound or anything like that,

540
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:52.960
just because he targeted women right and was terrorizing the

541
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.280
area at the time.

542
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.039
Well, and I myself was drawing some some lines to

543
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.960
spring Hill Jack, between Jack the Ripper and spring Hill Jack.

544
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.519
But at the same time, it's also a fifty year

545
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.639
difference here, So if the Ripper was indeed the same person,

546
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.920
he would probably be in his sixties or seventies at

547
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.239
the earliest, or the youngest, you know, assuming spring Hill

548
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.599
Jack was a young man or woman, because we really

549
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.159
don't know even know if Jackie Ripper was a man,

550
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.280
you know, but yeah, you know, so there are definitely

551
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:31.280
some lines drawn there, But that fifty year difference is

552
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.119
it's a big that's a big number.

553
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.360
Well, and it shows the sexism of the times too,

554
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.480
because there I'm sure there was plenty of women that

555
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.960
would have known anatomy back then. But it wasn't in

556
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:51.760
their class to know all that ORB doctors for that matter.

557
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.079
Yeah, well, and also like you know someone signed it Jack. Hey,

558
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.400
I know plenty of women named Jacqueline who go by Jack. Right.

559
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.360
He's like that could have been a good you know,

560
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.440
maybe she was trying to push them off and made

561
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.960
them think it was a man, really throw them off

562
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:06.639
her trail.

563
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.679
But there are a lot that believe that A.

564
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:11.000
JH.

565
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.119
Holmes was Jack the Ripper as well.

566
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:18.199
There is, yeah, there is, and you know, there's some

567
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:22.199
good similarities there as well. The only problem is the

568
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.719
murders of Jack the Ripper were actually happening at the

569
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:29.199
same time that Jhlmes was committing burds in the US,

570
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:30.960
so that kind of debunks that.

571
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.360
But was it like the exact same dates.

572
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.519
Even if it wasn't, the only way to get from

573
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.519
point A to point B was the c and that

574
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:46.480
would have taken weeks, so they were pretty close some

575
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.400
of those murders.

576
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:53.000
Okay, we had had a guest on when we had

577
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.639
first done this this episode that claimed he knew who

578
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:00.679
who Jack the Ripper was. I don't know that we

579
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.880
were either of us were convinced that that was the case, but.

580
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.440
No, I wasn't convinced, but it was definitely an interesting

581
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.559
It was an interesting suggestion, and you know, some of

582
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.760
the evidence seemed to be sufficient and others are like

583
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.719
they're kind of pulling there, I felt like. But for

584
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:19.199
anyone who's interested in actually checking out that episode, if

585
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.920
you want to know who might be Jack Ripper, you

586
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.440
can just go into spreaker or you know, wherever you

587
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.480
find a podcast and just under the search type in

588
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.119
Jack the Ripper and it'll come up. It's called Jack

589
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.800
Ripper Mystery Solved with Randy Williams. I believe he wrote

590
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:36.719
a book on that, or maybe it was I can't

591
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.840
remember it was a book or it was just a

592
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.880
publication that he had online.

593
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:43.920
I think it was just an online thing, if I'm

594
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:54.239
not mistaken. Yeah, but yeah, so yeah, definitely checked that

595
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:59.920
episode out. It was an interesting conversation, I'll say that

596
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.599
because it was one that a theory I had never

597
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:12.440
heard before. And yeah, I think with the spring Hill

598
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.480
Jack thing, I think that's kind of why I linked

599
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:19.840
it to this particular episode. We did not to mention

600
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:25.079
three particular cases or not cases stories where it involves

601
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.039
somebody named Jack. Now, yes, Jack the Ripper was a

602
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:33.559
real serial killer. Uh, spring Hill Jack was reported in

603
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.960
the newspapers. Stingy Jack. It's just a tale as far

604
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:45.519
as we know, right, But anything else we need to

605
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:47.679
add about the Three.

606
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:52.199
Jacks, No, not in particular, I don't think, you know.

607
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.079
I feel like when it comes to the tale of

608
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.599
Stingy Jack, you know, it's it's an interesting one considering

609
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:09.400
the Jack o' lanterns beginning or original story, which, by

610
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.320
the way, for anyone who doesn't know, Jack o lantern

611
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:15.440
actually means Jack of the lantern, and so in that

612
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.079
case it is Stingy Jack who is of his lantern,

613
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.119
who has his lantern. That's where we kind of get

614
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:29.679
that name from. But with many various belief systems out there, again,

615
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.719
some will say that Jack Lantern was created because of

616
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:39.760
Southwyn to ward off evil spirits. Specifically, this particular legend

617
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.599
comes from the Irish, but there are other legends that

618
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.760
come from other areas around the world. Now we can

619
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.000
of course go in and do the history track and

620
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.320
see which one was proclaimed earliest, But in the end,

621
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.280
I don't think it really matters because of what we

622
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.440
know of it today. I mean, today most people carve

623
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.039
lanterns because they're fun. There's meant to be a part

624
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:04.039
of the commercialism of Halloween. But I think I love

625
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.199
about ours. What about us and about the people people

626
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.800
that we are friends with within the paranormal world. Is

627
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.320
how much history and realism there actually is within Halloween,

628
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.199
because it's not about the commercialism only for us, you

629
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.800
know it was growing up. But now when I'm sitting

630
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.639
in front of a bonfire on Halloween's night, Halloween night,

631
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.719
or and I'm carving a pumpkin, I'm thinking about the

632
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.639
history of why bonfires were lit on the night of

633
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.760
Slut and why the pumpkins were placed on window sills

634
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.840
or in front of houses. I'm thinking of why we

635
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.440
give out candy, you know, based on the Catholic origin

636
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:46.760
of giving out food on Halloween nights. So there's a

637
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.599
lot of really interesting and rich history within Halloween that

638
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.880
I think is important to hold on to and understand

639
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:59.639
while still being able to enjoy the festivities of the holiday.

640
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.400
Oh for sure, the one thing that I had to

641
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:10.639
chuckle at about the legend of Cindy Jack was how

642
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.679
stupid the devil was portrayed.

643
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.320
Yes, that's you know, that was something I thought about

644
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.679
as well, this menace, you know, the devil obviously in

645
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:26.440
many cultures, not just Christianity, has been really recognized and

646
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.199
of course we'll say demons for some because some don't

647
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:35.000
recognize the devil but recognize demons. But the way that

648
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:41.800
they're recognized as being, you know, mischievous militia, being just

649
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.960
downright evil and so wise beyond understanding. They're the triggers.

650
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.920
They're the one who, you know, weave the pattern for

651
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:51.679
people to fall into sin or death or whatever it

652
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.519
is that they're doing based on your belief system or

653
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.639
culture that you live in. And yet to see a

654
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.880
person who was able to convince the devil to climb

655
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.599
a tree and get him an apple, like, I think

656
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.159
it was done on purpose by somebody who created that

657
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.920
story to be little the idea of.

658
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.079
The devil represent the pride that the devil has too

659
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:15.199
that he can't be.

660
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.719
Say also, yeah, that is also a possibility, And I

661
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.079
mean that kind of goes along the line just so

662
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:26.000
many things that we've seen within pop culture of the devil.

663
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:32.480
One of my favorite songs is the Devil Went down

664
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.639
to Georgia. You know that one kind of portrays his

665
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.840
pride and why he felt he lost, you know, the

666
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.440
battle that he was in, and it was due to

667
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.239
his pride. He thought he was better, no one could

668
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.199
have outbeat him at playing music, because that's what he

669
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.360
was created to do. But then in this.

670
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:51.280
Case he did lose.

671
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.360
So yeah, you're right. It probably does kind of refer

672
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:58.119
in some sense to how pride always comes before the fall,

673
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:05.360
if you will. But nonetheless, to be tricked twice is interesting.

674
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:13.199
Yeah, That's what caught my eye out of that entire story,

675
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:18.320
was just the fact that not just once, but twice,

676
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.239
and both times with a cross.

677
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.320
Well, you know, and and here's the other thing that

678
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.159
I thought, and maybe I'm maybe I'm thinking too much

679
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.440
into it, but like you can't climb down the tree

680
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.239
because the cross is embedded in the tree, But can

681
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.039
you not jump off the tree to the ground because

682
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.679
you're no longer touching the tree. Therefore, anything that is

683
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.360
surrounding the cross that isn't the tree isn't actually considered

684
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:41.239
you know.

685
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:47.280
Not only that, but a tree has multiple sides across

686
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.039
all the way around the base of the tree.

687
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:56.039
The jack we're gonna have to We're gonna have to

688
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:59.559
when I whenever I die many many, many, many, many

689
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.719
many years. You know down b Bne, I'm going to

690
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.280
go find the creator, Cindy Jack. I'm gonna start poking

691
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.280
holes in all his little his story.

692
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.119
I hate to tell you, but he's probably dead. Are

693
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:12.960
you talking about your soul is going to go meet?

694
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:19.320
Yeah?

695
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.960
Interesting tale. I love the tale, and to kind of

696
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.159
learn where the jack O lantern kind of got its

697
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:33.280
origin is just awesome, just because I think both of

698
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.760
us have loved Halloween from a very young age. Not

699
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.360
too many kids don't, but.

700
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.199
Very few continue to love it as they grow up.

701
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:48.119
It's very true, very true. All right, folks, that ends

702
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:54.559
October already incredible. I hope you guys enjoyed this. We

703
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.679
got a lot more stuff coming, so stay tuned. Next month,

704
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.960
we'll just be kind of doing some random paranormal stuff

705
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.440
because there isn't a whole lot that has to do

706
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:11.679
with Thanksgiving in the paranormal. I might revisit a couple

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of our old episodes for that too.

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Yeah, I mean, off the top of my head, I'm

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thinking of a few that we've gone over the years

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for November that I think will be fun. But I

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know the next episode are going to do, and it's

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all about UFOs and aliens, so that'll be of course

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a fun episode, so keep in tune for that. A

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lot of things happening lately over the course of the

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year in terms of UFO sightings, so you know something

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to look forward to. I think that's going to just

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become more and more prominent within our lives.

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Absolutely, and that's something I mentioned to you about that

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episode is even if we do not do it right away,

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guess what, we've got all got smartphones who are all

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taking videos. Now, there's gonna be a lot more to

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talk about. So until next week, folks, where you will

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find us the same time, same channel. My name is

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Justin and I'm Eric Pace.