April 27, 2025

American Hospitals: Where Ghosts Still Roam

American Hospitals: Where Ghosts Still Roam
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Hospitals are places of healing—but also of heartbreak, final breaths, and lingering pain. In this chilling episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, we explore the haunted halls of American hospitals where ghostly whispers still echo. From restless spirits of patients to phantom doctors roaming abandoned wards, we dive into true tales and paranormal investigations that suggest some souls never checked out. Are these buildings simply relics of trauma—or portals to something far more sinister?

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Welcome, we go, Well do Para Truth Truth?

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What's going on? Everybody? Welcome to another episode of Para

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Truth re Born. This is a pre recorded show on

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one of seven point seven FM New Orleans and United

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Public Radio Network. My name is Justin and I'm Eric,

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and today we are talking hospitals. They are a place

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of healing and life saving miracles, but also of heart break, drama,

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and death. Their sterile hallways and echoing corridors have witnessed

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the beginning and end of countless humans stories. But what

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if some of those stories never stop. From abandoned asylums

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and forgotten sanitariums to the modern dayers still bustling with life,

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Tales of lingering spirits, phantom patience, and haunted operating rooms

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continue to emerge across the US and even around the world.

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Are these just urban legends fueled by fear and grief

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or is there something truly supernatural claying to those wards?

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Now?

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Eric, you and I have been doing this long enough

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that I feel we have a firm grasp that we

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know there's more to it than just urban legend.

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Well, yeah, I mean definitely for sure. Sorry, just for

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a moment here, I just pulled up our notes and

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I turned out my notes are not the notes that

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you just that we're supposed to have, So I need

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to go to my phone real quick.

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Well it took a minute for my tablet to catch

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up too, So well, this is yeah, this is a

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future episode.

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Here we go. Okay, Finally I was like, what is

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he looking at? Like? This is not what I'm sorry,

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what was your question?

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Now?

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What we could just say?

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I said, you know, the through the years that we've

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been doing this, I think we can both say that

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it's more than just urban legend when a hospital is haunted.

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I think we've even had doctors on who have said,

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you know, there's there's things going on that typically you

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don't hear from a doctor because we can't disclose these things.

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But right, yeah, we've had We've had a number of

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people on who have talked about hospital hauntings, and one

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in particular, he wrote a whole book on haunted hospitals

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that we had on our original show Paratrye the radio

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not Reborn back in twenty fourteen, I think it was,

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but he was an author of a book and I

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forget his name. It's been a long time, but he

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he came on to talk about haunted hospitals, and then

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not long after that, we had someone on who is

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an EMT who wrote a book on various paranormal phenomena

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from the standpoint of or viewpoint of e MT. You know,

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so definitely there are hauntings that surround these places for

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a very good reason. Right, it's high emotion, especially in

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like hospitals that are that have emergency rooms. We're talking

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about high emotion. We're talking high energy. Obviously, there's illness,

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there's death, there's all kinds, and there's there's highs and lows,

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you know, people getting better and healing and then people

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passing away. So there's a lot of mixed energies within

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these hospitals that just tend to linger, and they tend

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to be a feeding point for a lot of spirits,

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either those that remain there for one reason or another,

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or as we know through various documentations, a kind of

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breeding ground or feasting ground for darker entities to come

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in from the outside and kind of take up root

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and even manipulate the spirits that may be there from prior,

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you know, when the hospitals were in the heyday, were

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even modern day hospitals where there are a lot of

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things happening. Yeah.

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Well, and I didn't include it in this the top

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five that I have listed, but there is one here

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right in North Dakota that was a tuberculous tuberculosis ward

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then it eventually became a sanitarium, and it was actually

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the help of my in laws and several other families

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who had it shut down because if you had autism,

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if you had down syndrome, there are these people were

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being sent to basically an insane asylum and that is

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not where they.

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Should have been.

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So that there, that plays a huge part of it too,

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because so many people were mistreated, not necessarily abuse, but mistreated,

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not looked after properly. So that I think that's kind

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of what causes some of these hauntings in the sanitariums

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or Tuberculous's words two.

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No, one hundred percent. I mean especially I would say,

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I wouldn't say earlier years, but you know back in

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like the seventeen hundreds, especially eighteen hundreds, and dare I

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say the early nineteen hundreds where where some of the

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sanitariums and hospitals where you know, people would be placed

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there and it would just be left to rot. You know,

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people who worked there would come in not even take

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the chance time to really care for these people. Lawyers

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make sure that they're still breathing, basically give them some

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food and leave right. So, you know, there was a

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lot of suffering in a lot of these places. Unfortunately

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and thankfully a lot of those places have been shut

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down because of that reason. But it's not to say

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there aren't still some out there, and if not hospitals

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in them themselves, there are people who are out there.

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In fact, I recently heard a story about an individual

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who was treating some patience uncaringly, and you know, she

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was approached and said, like, you know, you you can't

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be doing this, like this is not the way you

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perform your job. And it's sad that there are just

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people who are so hardened to the ill that they

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just you know, they treat them. I don't like a

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cancer in a way, like they're just you know, they're

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a burden, which just really develops an unclean attachment to

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these hospitals. Should that person pass away, now, whether or

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not it's their actual spirits sticking around or just the energy,

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you know, obviously we can't say for sure, there is

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technically no scientific evidence. Tell me how that works, because

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I still don't understand it since we seem to have

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a lot of evidence. But yeah, you guys know how

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it is.

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All right, Well, we'll go into a little bit of

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history about hospitals in the US. Isolation hospital started in

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the mid seventeen hundreds. If you don't know what an

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isolation hospital is. Basically we were just talking about tuberculosis,

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any any major disease where they wanted to separate those

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that were sick from the general populace so it didn't

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cause an epidemic or a pandemic. Benjamin Franklin actually was

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the one that helped to start the Pennsylvania Hospital in

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seventeen fifty one, which was the first hospital to treat

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actual medical conditions.

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Actually, also, real quick, I just if no one has

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had the opportunity to read Benjamin Franklin's autobiography, I highly

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reckon end it. I read it back in like, oh goodness,

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it was nearly twenty years ago now probably roughly maybe

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maybe a little little less than that, around seven seventeen.

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Was it for school or just had a It was

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for It was for school, but you know it was

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one of those online things, but I ended up printing

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out you know, back then, I just I couldn't find it.

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I didn't want to pay for it, so I was like,

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I'm just gonna print I've printed out hundreds of sheets

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of paper and stapled them together. But it was I mean,

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I've read a number of autobiotographies and I just really

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enjoyed his in particular. It is very historical, so it's

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not all like, you know, butterflies and like exciting. You know,

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some of it is kind of boring. But the things

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that Benjamin Franklin had helped developer establish just crazy. Like

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you just said, the hospital palsi Wadian Hospital in seventeen

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fifty one. He also established the very first library, and

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he also created the very first fire department, among a

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number of other things. So it's just crazy the amount

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of things that this guy invented.

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Yep, he I mean, everybody knows the story about him

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tying a key and putting it in a jar onto

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a kite to see what a what lightning was made

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of and discovering it. Discovering will put it in quotations electricity.

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But yeah, and I've brought up this on the other

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podcast we were doing for a while that. I've listened

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to Stephen King's on writing, which is kind of an

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autobiography slash Here's how you write type of thing from

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his perspective, and his was really good. I listened it

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to an audiobook and he was the one that actually

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narrated it, which was fascinating to me.

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I still occasionally I still look for like a physical

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copy of Ben's autobiography, but there's just nothing that speaks

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to me. A lot of it look very textbooky. I'm

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hoping to find something that's like leather bound, you know something.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you've got some really

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good homes of classic stories too, so.

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's one of my I would say,

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I guess many collections I collect things. That's definitely one.

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She just called Eric the Collector, and it sounds like

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a weird serial.

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Killer name right, the home collector.

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So Edward Livingstone. Trudeau built the first American sanitorium in

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eighteen eighty five, which was over one hundred years later

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after Ben Franklin had started the first medical hospital. Trudeau

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believed he cured himself of tuberculosis after spending time in

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the mountains. The reason for that was the high altitudes

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lower air pressure. He thought that had stopped the tubercules

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from uh moving forward and actually cured himself of it.

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Sanitoriums were built with bright, open spaces to maximize exposure

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to sunlight and clean air. Again, like I just mentioned,

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they believe that was a way to help cure tuberculosis.

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I mean in a way would you like considering that

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real quick? Yeah? Nowadays we modern times. Obviously we have

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devices that are dealt with UV light to help disinfect

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items in his phones and keys. So considering eighteen eighty five,

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it's relatively Yeah, they advance. I mean whether or not

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it can cure.

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To you know, yeah, major a disease right back then,

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but pay anything now, Yeah, I mean it was at

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least sanitary. Whether it helps you the disease.

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I've heard a lot worse in the recent years. I

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just put it that way. There are individuals who are

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high in the political chain. Yeah.

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Yeah, there was something I heard today that I'm like,

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oh my gosh. The interiors were plain, so they were

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easy to clean and prevent the spread of disease, which

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we see in most hospitals today. All white walls.

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Most hospitals will try to have as much.

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Natural light to get into at least patients rooms, because

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they are just flooded with the.

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You or not you vy.

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Fluorescent lighting, fluorescent light that thank you, which actually I

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have seen studies that say that that actually hinders healing.

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Recent lighting. I mean, I don't know if it actually

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hinders healing, but you guys ever walk into a hospital

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and it just feels kind of like sickly, despite the

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fact that there's sick people probably there well. But recent

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light it depends when it's really hot. It tends to

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burn kind of greenish tone, so it gives you a

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sick like look or feeling to the surroundings. They use

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them because they're super bright, and that's important within the hospital,

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but yeah, it's not the most pretty light to you. Yeah,

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those the big windows are very important.

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Last part of this section from about Edward Livingstone Trudeau.

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Bentwood recliners were commonly used in sanitoriums because they were

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durable and could withstand disinfectants, which again I believe is

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still true to most hospitals today. They use I don't

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know if they're bentwood recliners, but they use things that

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are easily cleanable and.

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Yeah, typically made of like a like a vinyl, typically vinyl.

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It's very rare that anything is leather nowadays. But right, yeah, right.

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The Pennsylvania Hospital, the one that Ben Franklin started, was

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the first organized effort to care for the mentally ill

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in America, including rooms located in the basement and had

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shackles attached to the walls. So you were starting to

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see where the miss use of certain things was not

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a good idea, but they had no other options back then.

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Of course, asylums became more widespread and popular in the

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eighteen hundreds. Asylums were developed to provide support and safety

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to people who could not be cared for at home.

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Treatment in asylums was sometimes brutal and focused on containment

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and restraint rather than practical care and provisions. Something I

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did read. I didn't include it in our notes, but

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a lot of asylums, some of them in the top five,

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will say this also included having people that were homeless

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or basically the unwanted, and they had no place else

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to go, so they would go to the sanitariums or asylums.

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go over is what caused asylums to no longer be

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a good option. It taught, it says vaguely practices and

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stuff that were not good, but there were people left

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in their own filth. It brought up shackles some some

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treatments such as lobotomies or uh, electric shock therapy who

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you know today in today's day and age, will be

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a barbaric treatment.

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I mean, they still have shock therapy, though not quite

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the same.

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Right yeah, yeah, and they very rarely use it unless

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it's absolutely necessary, right.

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Fun fact, I almost used it. I almost did for

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for my OCD years ago. I actually almost requested shock

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therapy because it is one of the treatments.

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I hadn't know's for severe OCD. So, I mean there

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were other cases where there was actual physical and sexual

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abuse to patients as well, just because they couldn't do

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anything about it or uh there were reports of doctors

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medically sedating individuals to do those things too. But I'll

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have you kind of read through the top five hospital

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haunted hospitals.

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But yeah, so these are no like particular order, and

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these are specifically haunted hospitals within the US. They are

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going to share.

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His, Yeah, and there were so many more, but it

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was it was very hard to narrow down top five, right.

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But with that said, like we're gonna win to number

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them five through one again, by no means are they

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in particular order. However, if you have any thoughts yourself

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on the authenticity, intensity and intensity of a hauntings, definitely

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feel free to share with us and let us know

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what your top five are, whether it's part of this

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top five or you'd order these in any way, Like,

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we definitely want to know that, and if there's anything

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we haven't covered, definitely share your opinions as well. That

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is something that you've noticed a lot on Facebook. I'm

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in a number of you know, Haunted Ohio groups and

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Haunted US groups and things like that, and there are

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always new places that I'm learning about as being claimed

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as the most haunted versus the popular options. So this

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really cool gives us more stuff to at least me,

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more stuff to kind of dive into, you know, and

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learn about. So we would love to know that anyway.

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So with number five, we're going to start off with

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one that probably everybody knows. In fact, everyone probably knows

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most of these, but the first one is Penhurst asylum

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in Pennsylvania, which was established in nineteen o eight. They

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took in both physically and mentally ailed patients, and they

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also housed inmates who are not just criminals, but also orphans, immigrants,

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or anyone who didn't have a place to go. Basically.

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Of course, in the nineteen sixties they were super overcrowded

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and underfunded and in disrepair. So the institution was eventually

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shut down in nineteen eighty seven. And this is the

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kind of thing that typically happens with a lot of

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these types of early institutions. They do become overcrowded and

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underfunded and in fact, I mean, just to put it

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out there, like, this is the same thing happening in

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the US regarding various benitentiaries. In prisons currently, they are

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underfunded and overcrowded with you know, American officers, you know,

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are putting people in entertainment, you know, for no reason,

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really no reason they should be in prison. And we

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see that time and time again. There's so many shows

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about it and radio specials regarding the unfortunate events that

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happened within prisons in America because of the overcrowdedness.

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And going on, the underfunded I mean, it's probably common sense,

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but which means understaffed. I actually had a friend who

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was wrongfully just arrested because there was somebody with a

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suspended license and I'm assuming a warrant with the exact

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same name.

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Yeah, you know, I mean, things like that happen all

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the time. It's one of the reason why so many

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states actually in the US have legalized marijuana, because there

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were a number of people going to prison for carrying

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or smoking marijuana. Like you should not be in a

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prison for that, that's right.

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And the ratio to people just with a marijuana charge

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to those that had a more serious charge of murderers

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and rapists and stuff like, there's more people in jail

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for carrying then there was more heinous crimes.

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So you know, of course, Penhurst has penned definitely one

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of the number one spots that many investigators have gone

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to over the years. It still is very common for

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people to go and check it out. But there were

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we have a couple of EVPs that we had heard

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about by from Weird New Jersey, and a couple of

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the EPs that they caught where things like we're upset,

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why won't you leave and go away? I'm scared. Of course,

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you want to hear any of those vps or any others,

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you can easily just look up EVPs or pargnumal restigations

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at Penhurst on YouTube and you will get a ton

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of stuff that you can enjoy for hours. Number four

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in our list is Northville State or north Field State

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Hospital in Michigan. Established in nineteen fifty two, it was

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one of the most modern mental hospitals in the US

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at the time. They were early promoters of using art

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and music to treat patients, and in the nineteen seventies

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priority shifted and the hospital started to decline. It was

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eventually also shut down in the early two thousands. And

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one of the interesting things about it is that it

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had tunnels underneath the hospital, where there have been a

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number of reports of hearing voices and footsteps and the

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feeling of being breathed on. For those of you who

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don't know why they might be tunnels underneath the hospital,

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one of the most popular reasons is because when someone

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would die, they would roll them down through these tunnels

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so that it wouldn't be pushing them past the living

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up above. And they would also often keep the morgus

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down in these tunnels as well, as it was naturally

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cooler than it would be upstairs, especially if air conditioning

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wasn't that strong.

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A lot of times too, the tunnels would lead to

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cremation areas to if that somebody wasn't being picked up

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by a family member or whatever.

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Right.

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Number three, I had never heard of North Hill, just FYI.

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Most of these others I've heard, Hugh, but North Hill

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was a new one to me.

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The number three is Rolling Hills Asylum in New York.

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This one was established in eighteen twenty seven as the

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Genesee County Poorhouse. They were all referred to as inmates there,

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and the facility was known to perform the botomies and

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electric shock therapy as treatments. Now the most frequent spirit

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that is cited is named Roy, who supposedly died in

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nineteen forty two. He was supposedly, or at least reportedly,

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to be about seven feet tall in life, and his

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spirit appears as a shadow just as tall and often crying. Again.

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You can find this the images and videos of this

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shadow on YouTube. I have seen this particular entity on

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television shows in the past, so it definitely out if

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you want to check it out. You know, if you're

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one of those people who like to debunk stuff, it's

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one of those fun ones to check out. I always

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tried debunking it. It's definitely interesting. And the simple fact

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that this person was seven feet tall, Like, it's kind

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of hard to see someone foot tall shadow. But oh

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that's not you know, that's who knows. You know, they

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come up with a reason. Yeah, it's pretty unnormal.

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I will say this, if I saw a seven foot

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shadow while doing an investigation, I will do the exact

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same thing I did at the Jeffreydahmer House and excuence

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myself because that's a pretty frightening vision.

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Well, here's the thing though, Now, whether or not it

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was seven feet, ten feet or less, I don't know.

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But when we were you might recall this when we

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were at Ghost Eli when we were invited to do

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an investigation after doing the residential investigation. When you first

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got there, you and I our team or guided through

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the main source of the haunting. The main area, which

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is the basement area, which also happened to be like

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basically a seller is where they kept a lot of

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the product that they would you know, have on storage.

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There was also kitchen down there, and a couple of backrooms.

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I can't remember what the back rooms were, But as

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we were walking down this one aisle, there's like it's

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a really wide aisle, and there's a bunch of shoving

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on one wall and out to our right and then

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shoving to our left, and you were sensing something. Now

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either time, you were very strongly practicing mediumship, and a

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lot of what you were connected with happened to you

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be the same as what their own medium had encountered

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earlier that day, and no one told you anything about it.

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So the fact those two things coincided was really interesting.

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But at the same time that you were experiencing those things,

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I did capture or catch a shadow that darted across

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the wall from left to right, and it was above

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the shelfing like it was really large either A it

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was like a large being where it was. This was

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basically like ten feet roughly, maybe maybe like eight feet

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in the air, but it was large. So it's like

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it could have been like an actual entity of some

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sort that was right there, or it might have been

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the shadow of an entity that was further away from

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the light source, making the shadow appear bigger than what

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it really would have been had it just you know,

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been the figure right in front of us. But that

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is something that you know, we tried to debunk on

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a lot of these investigations because you know, people see

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large shadows. Is mind, you, the the closer you are

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to a light source and further further you are away

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from the wall or whatever your shadow is projected on,

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the larger shadow is going to get. The further you

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get away from the light source, and the closer to

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the wall, the smaller the shadow gets. So that is

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something that a lotted like if you're doing investigation, so

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you notice a large shadow, first and foremost, check where

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you're surrounding and make sure your teammates aren't in any

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vicinity in which their shadow could have been cast or

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your own shadow could have been cast, and then go

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forth with try to find out what the being is

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or what the entity is if indeed you've you know,

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debunked that it's not you. Guys, I've seen a lot

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of people make that mistake where they they claim a

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shadow person, but in reality it's just their own shadow.

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Didn't you didn't you chase a shadow person or was

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it just a sound? At that same look.

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That that was a sound. So me, so me, and

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this this woman, Aaron, She was the daughter of the

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lead investigator of that team. We were sitting in the

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basement by ourselves at this table and we're just having

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a normal conversation. We had the EVP Digital West recorder

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running and all of a sudden we heard this really

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loud bang, like it was crazy loud. It echoed through

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the room. I think it was heard upstairs possibly I

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can't remember, but we knew where it came from. It

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definitely came from the kitchen. It almost sounded like someone

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just slammed their fists up against the steel fridge. And

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for a moment we both paused and like just stared

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at each other, and without single words, we both got up,

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split and went in two different directions to try to

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you know, encircle and cut off whoever it was that

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made that noise, and we met up on the other

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side of the building or this room with nothing passing

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either of us, and there was a bunch of steel

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appliances in there, so it very well had to have

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come from this kitchen area, and we tried to bunk

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it and aside from you know, the steel making a

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very similar noise, much quieter, of course, because we weren't

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banging on it, but we're hitting it to see what

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the vibration was like. It was clear to us that

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something or somebody had to have put some sort of

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power into that that refrigerator or something to have made

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that noise. But it was just us down there.

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Okay, Yeah, I remembered that part for sure.

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I was.

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I don't remember if you had mentioned the shadow person

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to me at the time.

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Maybe he did, but it probably would have mentioned it

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at the very at that moment I could have swere

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I told you like probably afterwards there in the middle,

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middle of you know, sharing your thoughts and what you thought.

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Was there? All right? These proceed Sure? So. Number two

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on our list is Eloise Alois, Eloise, Eloise, Eloise Complex

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in Michigan. This one was established in eighteen thirty nine

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as a poorhouse and farm and well, eventually they added a

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psychiatric psychiatric hospital, a terby Look, oh my goodness, I

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should I shouldn't have got the whiskey, guys, I'll totally

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him mine. I just don't know how to read tuberculosis

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sanitarium and a county hospital and it consisted of seventy

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six buildings. It's crazy to think about, yeah, and over

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ten thousand patients. It closed its doors in nineteen eighty six,

474
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.799
probably because I was born that year. I was like, Oh,

475
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.799
we can't. No, he's coming into the tower. Yeah you can't.

476
00:30:53.279 --> 00:31:04.400
Wow Wow Okay now yeah, So closest doors in that

477
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:05.200
in newty six.

478
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.519
And people who have visited in modern day have actually

479
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:14.400
reported mysterious moans, screams, a spectral woman in white at

480
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.480
the asylum and glowing lights floating around. And this is

481
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.319
another thing that's like, really interesting, is this whole spectral

482
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.519
woman in white? Right? Because this is a character that

483
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.279
shows up and a number of different folklore throughout the world,

484
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.640
but here in America, the woman in white is typically

485
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:40.000
a person, a woman first and foremost who's white, who

486
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.279
happens to be in white, usually like a white gown

487
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.039
or some sort, who stands on the side of the

488
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.920
road trying to pick up hit or trying to hitchhike,

489
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.319
get a ride. This is a person who was typically

490
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.559
died in some horrible fashion, and usually she'll get into

491
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.279
the car. The person will drive a mile or two

492
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.319
and talking to this person and then all of a

493
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:07.119
sudden she's gone, just disappears. There are some horrifying tales

494
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.640
that she has tried to hurt people, but whether or

495
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.440
not any that is actually legit is there's just no

496
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.000
solid evidence. But nonetheless that's what folklore is, right. It's

497
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.160
their tails that we can take with the grain of

498
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.079
salt or take them as is. And you know, yeah so,

499
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.519
but you know, seeing that there's a woman in white

500
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.519
also at the asylum, this is probably someone who is

501
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.880
wearing like a white hospital gown, most likely not the

502
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.319
same type of woman in white in glowing lights floating

503
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.480
around As you guys know, I mean, whether your paraormal

504
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.640
investigators or you're not. If you're listening to this show,

505
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.160
you probably know where those glowing lights probably are. It's

506
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.440
very potential to be orbs, most likely typically a ghost orb.

507
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.440
You know, I've seen them myself a number of different times,

508
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.279
both a locations investigated but also in my own home

509
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.559
when there is a spirit around. But also glowing lights

510
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.279
tend to show up in a more extraterrestrial fashion on

511
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:08.680
big during big hauntings. One in particular actually, for example,

512
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.880
would be a skinwalker ranch. As you guys might have

513
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.079
heard you know, there's a lot of the UFO phenomena

514
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:19.960
happening there, and you are a phenomenon in general yet Burger, Yeah,

515
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.160
but that kind of stuff tends to happen like somehow.

516
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:26.759
It's why we talk often about extraterrestrials and the spiritual

517
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:31.039
realm being possibly one of the at least run the

518
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.039
same place, right, Ghosts and aliens being from the same dimension,

519
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.680
because they tend to correlate to each other. When one exists,

520
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.559
the other one does too in many cases, especially if

521
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:47.240
it's a really big haunting. So definitely you know what's

522
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:52.880
going these particular going lights were, I mean mostly they've

523
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.559
all been orbs, but I wouldn't doubt there were some

524
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.680
things in the sky as well, or across the fields

525
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:04.799
around the strunning areas. Right. And then number one on

526
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.559
our list, which is probably one of the most famous

527
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.039
aside from number five, is Waverley Hill's Sanitarium.

528
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.400
And one that we have yet to be able to

529
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.760
get into on top of that, right.

530
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:24.280
Right, So this one is in Kentucky. Now. It was

531
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.239
established in nineteen ten, and by nineteen twenty six the

532
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:35.480
capacity had drastically increased due to tuberculosis patients increasing the

533
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.440
employ They employed certain treatments such as implanting balloons into

534
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.079
the lungs and removing ribs and chest muscles to help

535
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.920
with lung expansion, which I don't know what you guys

536
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.119
know about that, but you.

537
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.239
Know, yeah, well, I mean we talked about the shock

538
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.920
therapy and stuff. I mean, there was so much experimentation

539
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.880
going on back then. I mean, I will say this,

540
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:03.239
it has paved the way for a lot of treatments

541
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:08.039
that we know today, but today it would seem very barbaric.

542
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.079
Yeah, I think. And here's the thing that I want

543
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.199
to say about that, because it has allowed and advancement

544
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:18.199
in technology nowadays and how we treat patients. But there

545
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.559
are instances in which I think the world glorifies the

546
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.320
medical teams who figured it out, but they forget about

547
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.800
the individual who had to suffer through the torment of

548
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.039
it all. Absolutely, and so for a moment, I would

549
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:38.599
just like to take five seconds moments silence for those individuals. Okay,

550
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:43.239
so we're moving on. No for real though, Like it's

551
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.360
a sad thing, you know, like we don't hear about it.

552
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.000
It's just like they're a blip on the radar. Very

553
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.920
I mean honestly, we treat those individuals. In many cases,

554
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.159
like in normal discussions, obviously investigators are going in. We

555
00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:01.719
often hear these investigators in TV shows on usually even otherwise,

556
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.840
talking about how horrible it was for these patients, and

557
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.719
they're often giving their condolences and talking about how Saturday is.

558
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.079
But I think as a majority people throughout the world,

559
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.280
we don't think about those things that often, and especially

560
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.039
when you're talking about advancements and technology medical technology, we

561
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.360
don't think about the people who suffered in order for

562
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:25.440
those technologies to come about. So definitely, just for reference,

563
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.000
y'all keep that in mind. You know, we got to

564
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:32.400
be careful what we praise and what we I guess,

565
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.440
what we lift up when we're thinking about such things.

566
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:35.639
Yeah, for sure.

567
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:41.360
Now going on from these removing of ribs and chest

568
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:45.519
muscles to help with a long expansion. When treatments didn't work,

569
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.000
they were actually these people were sent down a five

570
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.000
hundred foot tunnel to trains that transported the bodies away.

571
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.119
The institution closed in nineteen sixty one, but reopened in

572
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:03.280
nineteen sixty two as a home, then permanently closed in

573
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:08.039
nineteen eighty two, just twenty years later due to patient

574
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:13.199
mistreatment and violations, which again is something very common with

575
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:19.360
all of these places. Now many many people these days

576
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.360
claim that spirits of these poor souls now reside mostly

577
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.719
in the tunnels, and that activity has been reported of

578
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:35.320
shadow figures orbs, full body operations, disembodied screaming and laughing,

579
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.800
and also objects.

580
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:50.280
Moving, So some things that are common denominators if you will,

581
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.920
for these top five hospitals, I feel any sanitoriums that

582
00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:04.639
were shut down is one barbaric ish experiments to try

583
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:15.440
and treat Most, if not all of them were either

584
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.280
insane asylums that kind of turned into sanitoriums tuberculosis words

585
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:29.719
or vice versa. All of them were shut down or

586
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:35.880
had to shut down for whatever reason, and all five

587
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:40.679
of them have significant reports of activity for those that

588
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.440
have gone in after everything that's happened there.

589
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.000
Right, and not to mention, well, I guess I am

590
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:53.599
mentioning it, So I guess we will mention the amount

591
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.440
of people who died there in unnatural ways primarily due

592
00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.320
to no practice.

593
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:07.960
Yeah, the hospital that's here is called Sana Haven. I believe,

594
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:16.760
if I'm not mistaken, Ghost Adventures did an investigation there.

595
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:22.000
It was similar situations and there, I mean the people

596
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.679
that were there, Like I mentioned, they were in their

597
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:32.039
own filth. And that's not necessarily due to malpractice or

598
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.559
anything like that. Like Eric mentioned earlier, a lot of

599
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.119
these placers were underfunded and understaffed, so they could only

600
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.280
stop in every once in a while, sometimes even every

601
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:49.239
few days to see these patients. And some of the

602
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:54.239
stuff that happened in these places. It, in my mind,

603
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.000
is no wonder that there's these hauntings, or at least

604
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:03.320
reported haunting If people are going in there knowing what

605
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:10.320
happened there, that in and of itself will will cause

606
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.960
people to at least experience haunting type activity because they

607
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.960
know what happened there, right, And that's I think We've

608
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:25.880
preached this so many times on the show. Don't don't

609
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.159
scare yourself into the haunting. If you will, rely on

610
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:37.079
the evidence, rely on the experiences there. Take some of

611
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.480
those experiences with a grain of salt, because it is

612
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.119
kind of a scary process, especially if you're doing it

613
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.480
in the dark. And there have been some weird things

614
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:52.960
that have happened there. Anything I've missed on the commonalities

615
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:54.599
of it.

616
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.400
No, I'm gonna I think you're pretty much hit all

617
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:04.199
the nails. I think pretty good and dead. Yeah, And also,

618
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.480
like I do want to add though, like, because you

619
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:11.760
just said, don't scare yourself into a haunting, believing in

620
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.079
the haunting or whatever. Also, don't pat yourself in a

621
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.000
corner into simply accepting that a haunting is there even

622
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.679
when it isn't. That is something that I see too

623
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.960
common nowadays and something that even me justin have been

624
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.840
at one point in time guilty of. So you know,

625
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.000
also after we go into these places or we research

626
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.480
these places, we want to think haunting, hunting, haunting, haunting

627
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.800
in a reality, we trick our minds into seeing things

628
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:44.000
and feeling things that aren't really there. So there is

629
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:48.400
a certain type of psychological aspect to investigations, and you

630
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.360
need to learn to shut that off in a way,

631
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.719
because I think psychologically is very important to be engaged

632
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.199
and know your surroundings and understand what's happening so that

633
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.000
you don't become trapped by some sort of spirit that's oppressive.

634
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.320
But you also don't want to just walk in Milli

635
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.159
Willy thinking like, oh, this place is haunted, let's go

636
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.679
get all the evidence, and you know, end up turning

637
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.719
out to be a fraud later when you share that evidence. Yeah,

638
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:18.239
for sure.

639
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.320
All right, out of all of these or any that

640
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.360
you know of, is there any of these hospitals that

641
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.480
you would absolutely want to go investigate.

642
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.960
I would love to investigate Waverley Like that's a place

643
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.079
that has been kind of a bucket list, you know,

644
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.599
I've watched so many documentaries on Waverly Hill Sanitarium that

645
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.119
is kind of like, you know, it's almost as if

646
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.079
I know it, Like it's like it's my aunt or

647
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.440
something she knows. Like that's how well I know it,

648
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.760
Like you're the crazy ant. We've had a lot of

649
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.559
deaths in there. You know, let's talk. We need to chat.

650
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.480
You had a lot of weird stuff happening in your lifetime.

651
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:03.599
Weaverly Hills.

652
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.039
Is that a hotel now or is that just an

653
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:12.519
abandoned building? Okay, I know there's a hotel that that's

654
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:17.239
been one hundred percent haunted. Stephen King based his eighteen

655
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.800
room eighteen oh seven or whatever it is.

656
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:21.760
That one.

657
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:27.480
I believe that's the name of it. If you guys

658
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.079
know the name of the hotel, please put it in

659
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.639
the comments, because I mean, I'll probably find it too,

660
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:38.360
but I thought it was at Waverley Hills, but it's

661
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.599
probably actually just a hotel that's been haunted for a

662
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:47.239
long time, which we could probably get into prisons and

663
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.320
hotels and everything else for that matter.

664
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.280
Oh for sure. That's going to be the next thing

665
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.280
I brought up, is like in terms of prisons, that

666
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:55.880
the prisons that I want to invest a gate, which

667
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:57.840
number one on my list is of course right here

668
00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:59.840
in Ohio for me, Yeah, I know it.

669
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.920
I think we both wanted to get there for a

670
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:03.840
very long time.

671
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:06.679
Yeah, hopefully, I mean I might still go. I think

672
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.119
I'm going to go. I know you're not coming in,

673
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:13.360
but in May there's going to be like a paranormal

674
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:18.159
event what do you call it, Like a convention type

675
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:22.840
thing half a pair of Yeah, at Mansfield Penitentiary. So

676
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.960
it's like an easy way and I don't have to

677
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.199
pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars too. That's a gaate.

678
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.440
So I think if you get anything, if you do

679
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.239
go and you get anything there, we'll definitely have to

680
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:35.639
do a show on it.

681
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:36.400
No, for sure.

682
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:43.440
Yeah, I think Waverley Hills is probably my top.

683
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:45.880
San haven.

684
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.159
I would absolutely love to get to as well, just

685
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:52.119
because it's here in North Dakota. The biggest problem with

686
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:56.639
San Haven is in very disrepair. I'm sure pretty much

687
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.559
all of these hospitals that we've mentioned are in disrepair,

688
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.679
and probably some of them have probably been leveled. I'm

689
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.719
not one hundred percent on that though. But it is

690
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:11.280
also owned by tribes out where it's at two, so it's.

691
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:12.559
It used to be.

692
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.719
I think it was sold to the tribes a few

693
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.639
years ago, but there had been so many people that

694
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:23.159
had snuck onto that land, and now that it's tribal land,

695
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.840
there's some pretty halfy finds if you're caught, not that

696
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.199
there wasn't beforehand.

697
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.400
Yeah, I mean the laws regarding a lot of these

698
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:37.719
places nowadays, without having strict permission from those who basically

699
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.920
own it in some fashion, the penalty is pretty high,

700
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.320
which takes us back to the crazy amount of people

701
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.760
in prison right now in America. And I don't want

702
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.480
to go, so I'm gonna. Yeah.

703
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.639
Well, and we even talked about this with their martians

704
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.679
about you know, don't be stupid and going into places

705
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.320
me there's mission.

706
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.960
Be Don't get me wrong. There are places that I've

707
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:07.760
gone that i've gone in gorilla style, right, so I

708
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.679
think we'll both have has no gorilla filmmaking basically, you know,

709
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:17.840
going in somewhere basically without permission is that simple. But yeah,

710
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.800
like there are instances where going gorilla is that okay, cool,

711
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:25.199
like no one knows, no one getting hurt, none the

712
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.079
wiser getting get out, you know, enjoy it. But there

713
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.480
are some places where you just don't do it because

714
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.800
it's literally a felony and it will cost you a

715
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:41.199
lot of trouble if you get caught. And trust that.

716
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.199
I'm one of those people at one point who thought,

717
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.639
oh I'll never get caught, and I never have gotten caught.

718
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.519
But you don't want to be that person who does, right,

719
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.599
So it's better just to play it safe. Respect the community,

720
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:57.400
respect the spirits, respect yourself and your situation.

721
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.760
I will say that if you're going into a place

722
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:08.639
that's open to the general public, like what's the tower

723
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:16.000
there in Ohio? The tower or castle Franklin, Franklin's Castle, Yes,

724
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:17.639
or are.

725
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.480
You Franklin or a squire so Franklin, I'm sorry, squire castle, Yes,

726
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.079
because it's in a public park, yes.

727
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.400
Squires, Yes, Cory's Castle is in a public park, which

728
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.800
I have a very short one minute documentary on that

729
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.000
I did for several years back. Yeah, you can. You

730
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.679
can go there, you can go inside of the castle,

731
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.119
you can check it out and investigated all that. It's

732
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.039
the only thing that kind of sucks about it is

733
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:47.239
it can be very popular during nice the now seasons,

734
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:51.079
especially during fall, and if you're doing investigations. It is

735
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.440
not closed off, meaning you have walls all around you, you

736
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.199
have doorways, but you have a full pretty much a

737
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.880
full open ceiling. They do all the ceilings out so

738
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.960
that no one can climb up there, so it's just open,

739
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:06.719
you know, to the skies above so it's raining or

740
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.800
anything like that, or you got like you know, animals

741
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:14.239
chirpet and market and doing whatever other noises animals do

742
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:18.719
that can interrupt their investigation of it, especially Epps.

743
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.400
On top of not going into places you don't have permission,

744
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.800
also don't be going into places that are so dilapidated

745
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.960
that you can be injured. I've heard of so many

746
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.079
people getting hurt just because they wanted to get some evidence.

747
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:40.679
So make sure you're you're being safe. What are your

748
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.599
what are some of your final thoughts on Hot Haunted

749
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:46.199
hospitals specifically.

750
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.280
I don't know if I have any real real lick.

751
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.840
Nothing good, nothing good, I have all bad things. That's

752
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.320
not what I meant that. I just meant like there's

753
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.039
nothing where while to be like oh yeah, this, this

754
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.760
and this. You know, I think haunted hospitals are always

755
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.039
going to be a very interesting place for investigators and

756
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:14.000
adventurers in general. You know, it's it's one of those

757
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.519
places that are going in you know the history, no

758
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.719
matter what hospital it is, you know what happened there,

759
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.920
at least to some extent, and there is a sense

760
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.239
of adventure in that knowing the things that happened and

761
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.199
knowing like where you stand nowadays, like in the present time,

762
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.320
but like wow, back in history, you know, back in

763
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:35.320
the day this, this, this happened. And for that reason alone,

764
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.519
I think they're very popular. You know, it's interesting, it's exciting,

765
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.039
it's a part of history. When you think about the

766
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:45.119
tuberculosis pandemic, you know, that's something that's that that's very

767
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.000
fascinating with me. Like I would love to go to

768
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:50.239
Europe just I mean, for a number of different reasons,

769
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.000
but one thing, I want to walk down the streets

770
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.440
in which the you know, black plague broke out, you know, like,

771
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:59.039
I know that's dark, but it's like I'm a fan

772
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.880
of that kind of history, understanding the reasons why that

773
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.119
type of thing happened and how it could have been

774
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.599
present prevented. So, you know, I think that's one of

775
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.079
the things about hospitals that's always going to draw attention.

776
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:12.000
And I think hospitals in particular always going to be

777
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.039
a draw attention for that reason. It's kind of like

778
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:19.159
a piece of territory that is truly unclaimed. You walk

779
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.519
in and it's a whole different world, especially these older

780
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.000
places that are all dilapidated, you know, that aren't being

781
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:30.559
held up or kept up. So, you know, like Justin said,

782
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.440
I'll just reiterate, like, be careful if you go out there,

783
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.840
whether and I'm only saying this because I know so

784
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.599
many people aren't going to take my words about not

785
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.440
going in Gorilla, but just be careful, Okay, So those

786
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.119
of you who are going to do it, be very

787
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.679
careful because a lot of these places are not kept

788
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.400
up to standards, you know, based on the state, based

789
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.320
on the city, So you can fall through like five

790
00:50:53.400 --> 00:51:00.480
floors and die. Yeah, if you do, let us know,

791
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.519
we'll call them investigation. Maybe you get a spot on

792
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.559
the show. Yeah.

793
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:11.159
The one thing I'll say is, I mean, there's the

794
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.840
reason these places are haunted. There was a lot of trauma,

795
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.519
horrific deaths, stuff like that happened there. Like Eric mentioned

796
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:25.039
that the earlier in the show that if it's not

797
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.880
human spirits out there, there's gonna be something that could

798
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.320
possibly be feeding off of that traumatic energy that you

799
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.159
actually don't want to be taking a part of it.

800
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.599
But yeah, be safe. When if you're going to do investigations,

801
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.360
please make sure you have permissions, and please don't go

802
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:48.639
into modern hospitals just willly Nelly trying to do an investigation.

803
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.159
I hate that it has to be said, but it

804
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.000
has to be said because there's people there being treated.

805
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.119
There's a lot of traumatic stuff going on there. I mean,

806
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:05.079
if you're just doing a recording or something, okay, but

807
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.800
don't just have a bunch of pieces of ghost hunting

808
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:08.559
equipment out and.

809
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.719
You're imagine walking in with their whole crew. Hey, we're

810
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.400
here to do an investigation. We heard this place is

811
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.719
on it. What's up? I shouldn't buy our cameras on

812
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:23.239
your desk, please or going into a patient's room.

813
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.920
Hey, just ignore us, like we're not even here.

814
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.440
What are the chances of you passing away today, sir?

815
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.480
What possibilities.

816
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.159
But on top of that, we would love to hear

817
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:43.119
your guys' stories. If you've been in the hospital and

818
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.880
have had a an experience, you know, put in the

819
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.519
comments or reach out to us, whichever. You can reach

820
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.920
out to us on our website. We have email Paratrue

821
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.559
Radio at gmail dot com, or we're on all the

822
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.800
socials you know, reach out to us. We would love

823
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:03.960
to hear stories just because we listened to the top

824
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:09.239
top five, but there's been so many experiences in modern

825
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.320
day hospitals. I would love to hear people's stories.

826
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.280
About yeah yeah, so, whether I mean whether you're just

827
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:18.039
in you know, the everyday investigator, or you actually work

828
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.400
in a hospital system, you're an EMT, anything like that,

829
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.320
definitely hit us with either an email or message us

830
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.760
on Facebook. The other thing I do want to mention

831
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.119
because I know we kind of go over it really

832
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.760
fast with the whole like share subscribed a thing, but

833
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.599
we are trying to grow our personal YouTube. Thankfully, we

834
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.920
are hitting thousands of you who are listening, and we

835
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.760
are so thankful for all of all of you who

836
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.039
tune in every Sunday and even more for those of

837
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.079
you who are listening to the archives. But we do

838
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.480
have a personal YouTube channel, so if you can, if

839
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.920
you're willing to subscribe to us on YouTube, Dispair Truths Reborn,

840
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.079
we would love for you to do that. And I

841
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.800
think once we start getting once as we hear probably

842
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.000
like around two hundred subscribers, we're going to start posting

843
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.440
uh special content that's only for subscribers that you guys

844
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.599
can can listen to or check out, both videos and audio.

845
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.400
So that's something that we're really trying to work on here.

846
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:16.960
It's not easy. I don't know if you guys don't

847
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:20.800
anything about YouTube. Also, we're open ears if you have

848
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.320
any thoughts and ideas what we can do to grow

849
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.079
the channel. Well, we're actually.

850
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.519
Almost a five hundred subscribers.

851
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:31.079
I'm sorry.

852
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:36.400
Clearly, as you guys have noticed, I'm the creator creativesy.

853
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:41.440
You don't hear very tested just because to the statistics,

854
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:42.840
that's Justin's job.

855
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:49.840
So we want to reach reach five hundred subscribers. We

856
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:55.920
do want to start releasing exclusive content, but we we

857
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:01.960
do need everybody engaged in order to do that. But this,

858
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:05.960
as I mentioned earlier, has been a pre recorders show

859
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.880
for one of seven point SEVENFM New Orleans and United

860
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:13.639
Public Radio Network. I didn't bring it up, but we

861
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:15.920
do have a guest. Next week, we're gonna have a

862
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.440
couple of guests and then back to us and we're

863
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.719
gonna kind of be flip flopping back and forth like that.

864
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.960
Main reason being is we don't want to get burnt

865
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.159
out like we did with the original iteration of the show.

866
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.880
So definitely stay tuned to all the stuff that's going on.

867
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:34.519
Check out the other shows that are on United Public

868
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:37.760
Radio Network because there's so many of them and so

869
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:43.199
much great content there. Until next week where you'll find

870
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.599
this same time, same channel. My name is Justin and

871
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.119
I'm Eric Peace.