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Sept. 23, 2026

Tattoo Magick: When Ink Becomes Intention w/Jake Morningstar

Your tattoos may carry more power than you realize. Whether your ink represents someone you love, an important moment in your life, a spiritual symbol, or simply something that spoke to you, every tattoo contains a story. But what if that story could...

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Your tattoos may carry more power than you realize.

Whether your ink represents someone you love, an important moment in your life, a spiritual symbol, or simply something that spoke to you, every tattoo contains a story. But what if that story could become part of your magickal practice?

On this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik welcome Witch, High Priest, educator, and author Jake Morningstar to explore his book Tattoo Magick: Drawing on New and Old Ink for Spells and Spiritual Connections.

Jake reveals how tattoos can become conduits for intention, spellwork, ancestor connections, devotional practices, protection, manifestation, and personal transformation. We’ll explore whether pain itself can carry spiritual power, how existing tattoos can be awakened for magickal work, what happens when the artist doesn’t share your spiritual beliefs, and whether the act of tattooing can become a ritual in its own right.

Your body may already be telling your story.

The question is: what happens when you intentionally give that story power?

Guest Bio: Jake Morningstar is the High Priest of Diamond Eye coven and a Witch of almost 25 years. A lifelong lover of learning (11 years post high school!) Jake has a BS in Neuroscience and a PhD in Marketing. He has taught hundreds in the mundane and magickal arts. Visit him on Instagram at @that_morningstar_witch


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Coming up on Paratroop Reborn, we'll talk with Jake Morningstar

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about his book, Tattoo Magic.

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Welcome to Paratroop.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody to Paratroop Reborn.

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My name is Eric.

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And I'm Justin.

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And tonight we're discussing intention, symbolism, ritual, pain, ancestors, devotional tattoos,

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choosing an artist, and whether permanently placing something on your

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body can permanently change the way you interact with magic. Tonight,

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we have with us Jake Morningstar. Jake, welcome to Paratroop Reborn.

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Thank you. It is so nice to be on. Hey,

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how are you? Yeah, for sure.

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Sorry to jump right into it. Usually, we have a

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little leeway in the beginning here to kind of chat.

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We're kind of running behind here. But before we get

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into the techniques here that are described within the book,

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what was the moment when you first realized tattoos and

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magic belonged in the same conversation?

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So it's interesting. One of my earlier tattoos was a

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series of triangles that's on my chest. One for each

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traumatic experience that I've endured in my childhood. It was

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meant to kind of be like a sign of hope

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or whatever. And one of the things that are part

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of my personal magical practice are shapes. I create sigils

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with shapes. I will arrange candles alongside herbs and crystals,

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et cetera, in shapes. And one of the things that

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I started to see once I changed my practice in

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that way over and over again was the triangle would

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show up as a shape that corresponded to strength or

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related intentions like that, which to me was very confusing

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because neither the triangle nor the number three is associated

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traditionally with strength. And so one day I had an

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aha moment and I was like, wait, the triangle for

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me is strength because my triangle tattoo is strength. This

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thing that I gave as a sign of hope is

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something that gives strength. So in other words, I must

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have inadvertently created this and I used this as a

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type of spell and it would not have manifested in

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the ways that I do further magic. unless it had

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actually worked. So having thus arrived at that conclusion led

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to a whole lot of fun stuff with my currently

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healed tattoos, and then following that, trying to figure out

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how to cast spells while receiving a tattoo in the

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tattoo studio.

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So what's the difference between just simply getting a tattoo versus...

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a tattoo being intentionally used for, for magic.

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Um, so, um, could you, could you help me understand, uh,

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some more of the question you said, um, the difference

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between receiving a tattoo versus using it intentionally in magic.

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Do you mean just like just having it on your body?

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Or just going to get one, like say I go

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to a tattoo shop and I pick one off the

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wall instead of like coming up with my own and

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having some type of.

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Symbology regarding it. Like, is there.

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Something that you do personally when you're getting a tattoo

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that makes it magical? Or is it you are like,

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are you just picking something and then putting the intention

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in there randomly?

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So it's a good question. I should start by saying

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that tattoo that I have on my chest, that triangle tattoo,

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I didn't go into it with any sort of thought

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that I would be able to use it for magic later.

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It's just that that's how that ended up happening in

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the tattoo studio for like similar reasons. I don't think

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that it has to be that we need to go

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into something, choosing that something has to be meaningful in

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order for it to ultimately be meaningful. One of the

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things that I talk about in the book is the

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fact that tattoos work, at least within my own particular

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magical philosophy, partially because they are really meaningful symbols that

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we can use to communicate with those parts of ourselves

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that practice magic. or as stand-ins for visualizations would have you.

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But that doesn't mean that the tattoo that you received

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because you thought it would look cool is any less

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magical or meaningful because our brain works by making associations.

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It draws connections. It creates meaning in a wide variety

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of situations, and that includes our tattoos. So even that, like,

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tattoo of a panther that you may have gotten because

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you thought it looked cool, your brain still has associations

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that it makes with that tattoo. You just might not

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be consciously aware of it. And once you become aware

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of it, though, you then know what intentions it works

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with in magic. So Technically, I don't even need to

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have gone into so I don't need to have gone

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into getting a tattoo thinking at the time I'm going

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to be using this in magic later, whether it's meaningful

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or not, I don't technically even need it to have

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been like, created meaningfully for me to use it in

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magic now.

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Okay.

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So with that said then, if you don't need to

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have any sort of necessary intention when getting a tattoo

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in the first place, can a tattoo that you have,

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that maybe you're using magically, can that change or can

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your view or your intention of that tattoo change over time?

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So say you, like you said, the panther, let's say

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it means strength to you for years. And then all

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of a sudden you have a new insight on what

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that panther means. Can you just naturally change that? the

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intention behind that tattoo then when using it in magic?

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And if so, do you have to kind of discard

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the original intention in order to make way for the

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new one? Or do you just kind of like blend

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them together to make them work in unison?

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So it's a very good question. And I would probably

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say that what frequently matters is what it means to

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you at the time of the spell. And by that,

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I mean, you could have gotten the Panther originally for strength.

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And then five years later, you find that it has

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to do with, I don't know, preparedness or something like that.

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Before you had come up with that epiphany, you could

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be using it for strength. After you realize that, no,

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it really screams preparedness for you and you don't really

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see the strength angle anymore. You could be using it

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for preparedness afterward.

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The one.

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Possible exception that I would make that would be if

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you originally got that tattoo and made magic with that

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tattoo in the studio for something specific. If I was

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in the tattoo studio and when I was receiving that tattoo,

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I was working a spell for strength, then that association

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is now permanently associated with the tattoo. It doesn't mean

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that you can't create other associations like preparedness, but it

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is that that strength bit never goes away. Does that

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make sense?

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Yeah, no, it does. I actually have a, Justin, I

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have a follow-up real quick on that too. So, you know,

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I've had, I have a couple of tattoos. Justin has

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a few tattoos.

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One right there.

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And usually, usually when you go into a tattoo parlor,

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you know, you're having a conversation with the tattoo artist

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while they're working on you, typically. So when you're creating

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an intention or creating a magical spell while you're getting

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the tattoo done, are you sitting there purposely in silence

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telling the artist not to speak with you so you

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can focus all your attention? Or are you trying to

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split your time and energy between the spell and holding

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the conversation? And how does that affect the tattoo ultimately?

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Especially like if, say... you start to naturally associate this

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tattoo with conversations you're having with this person that you

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may not want in the work or within the magic itself.

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Yeah, so I would say that personally, I would not

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be having a conversation with my tattoo artist. I do

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feel that in my experience with tattoo artists, if you're like, hey,

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so I'm not really feeling it right now. I'm not

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really feeling like talking at the moment. Is that all right?

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They'll just be like, yeah, cool, whatever. I need to

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concentrate on this anyway. And then keep on going. I

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don't think that at any point, anybody who's receiving a

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tattoo should feel pressured to speak with a tattoo artist.

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That being said, I know what you're talking about, and

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that it is like a big thing. When you're receiving

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a tattoo, you have ongoing conversations with your tattoo artists

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while you're getting them. But I don't think that But

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I think that there is no tattoo artist who would

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be offended if you're like, hey, can we be silent

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for a little while? And honestly, I think magic can

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only be stronger when you give your undivided attention to it.

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I don't think that tattoo magic itself takes as long anyway. Like,

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I don't think I've ever had... For one specific intention,

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I don't think I've ever raised energy or done the

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specific spell part for more than 15 minutes, 17 minutes.

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So unless I'm doing a tattoo that has a lot

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of different intentions within it, that leaves a lot of

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time for me to be talking with the tattoo artist.

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One, there are those that need to concentrate in case

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it is too painful for them so that they can

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go to another place not to feel that pain to disassociate.

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So, like, say you're designing a tattoo. How important is

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it for intention to be a part of that specifically

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for magical purposes?

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I mean, if you know I have a time that

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it is going to be used for magic, then I

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fully believe that putting in as much effort as you

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can can only benefit it. That being said, I think

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that there is quite a bit to say for the

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fact that if you, as long as your brain can

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make a very strong association nose ahead of time immediately,

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what that tattoo is supposed to symbolize so much of

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like the beauty of having a tattoo, so much of

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the connection that you have with a tattoo occurs not

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during the design phase, but afterwards when it's being applied

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to you. And, you know, when you get to see

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it on you, I hope that a great deal of

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the power that comes within tattoos comes from the fact

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that they are such strong parts of our senses of self.

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And I have, definitely seen a lot of people with

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some really questionable tattoo designs who still are like i

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absolutely adore this tattoo i know exactly what this is

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for um so would it be advisable yes is it

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fully necessary possibly not so much.

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Okay the favorite So in many ways when you're designing

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one of these tattoos, it's like designing a sigil. You're

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so focused on the symbolism of the sigil and what

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you're putting into it and what each part means that

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it kind of becomes a power, a little power vessel

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of its own. Whether you're having it tattooed on you

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or drawn on you or you're just putting it on

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a piece of paper and throwing it in your pocket,

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it's very much the same way. The only real difference

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is is that there is a small transition, whereas with

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a typical sigil that you're maybe doing on your own,

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drawing it up or whatever, you're actually having somebody else

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draw on you with permanent ink. And so there is

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a little gap where it's like, okay, I put in

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the work of what this means, but that's only a portion.

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Now I need to focus on this ink being etched

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in so that it continues to build power and have

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that power stored within it.

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Yes.

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Yes. And intentionality is really key here. Yeah. Now, once

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you receive a tattoo, does it build up energy naturally?

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I think so. I think that however you choose to

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define it or like the electrical field that surrounds us,

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that our tattoos are continually charged with that electrical field

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that we generate. But I do agree completely that with

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the way that you connected that to sigil work that

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there is the design phase yes but then there is

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also the activation part and there is that phase in

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which you know with this tattoo you know you might

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be drawing a sigil on a piece of paper while

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the tattoo artist has to draw it on you and

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that is a moment that if you're going to work

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magic in the tattoo studio especially is as important as

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the design phase.

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somebody chooses a tattoo and it has some type of

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spiritual or magical significance and they don't know about it.

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Can that affect them in a negative way at all

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or a positive way without them even knowing?

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It's a good question. I think it... I was just

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having a conversation with somebody about this last week, which

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is that I don't know that, like, of course, if

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you don't know what the symbol represents, then it cannot

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affect you consciously. As to whether or not it connects to,

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let's call it the egregore, that is that concept and

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the underlying, you know, impact that that has. I have

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never fully been able to figure out how that works.

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And I think that it's a very good question to have.

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I think it's a very good thing for us all

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to keep in mind, anybody who is a magical practitioner,

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is to be sure you know what something represents in general,

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and especially before you get it put on your body permanently.

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I personally would say that eventually anything that you have

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or that you possess will connect with the egregore that

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it comes from as to when and how strong it

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is i would unfortunately not be able to tell you

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but that is a very good question.

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Yeah so let's like i'm thinking about people who are

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maybe superstitious um and mind you probably within this world

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that we all walk in terms of the spiritual, many

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of us are pretty superstitious to an extent.

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Um, so let's say.

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You have this design and this is, this is more

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like a very rare accident, but let's say you have

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a design and you have it set up a certain way, right?

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Maybe angles are certain ways. Uh, maybe the, the character

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or whatever is looking a certain way and you get

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it tattooed on you and you realize, oh crap, they

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put it on in reverse. You weren't thinking about it.

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Um, How do you think that affects the initial intention? Like,

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I know some people might think like, oh, well, I

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have this, you know, going back to the Panther. He's

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looking off to the left in the drawing. But when

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you get it tattooed, it's looking to the right a bit.

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And now you have this thought like, oh, no. my

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whole intention is reversed. And now the opposite is going

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to happen to what I had initially thought would happen

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or believe would happen. How does one get past something

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like that? Because I'm like, I'm personally someone with obsessive

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compulsive disorder. I have to do things a certain way.

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And if something seems out of straights, I struggle a

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bit with that. I have to try to fix it.

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But that's not something you can easily do, obviously, with

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physical ink that is already tattooed on you. So it's

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more of a mental process, right? That you have to

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kind of renavigate the situation and do a different intention

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or something.

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Yeah so i think i think to your point that

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this definitely does speak to the vast importance of when

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you're in the tattoo studio and somebody is showing you

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the design and is applying it to you to be

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very sure that the elements that are supposed to be

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there are there that being said um if you feel that,

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oh my God, now this is completely ruined. I need

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to like start from the ground up. I do have

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exercises toward the end of the book for, you know,

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dissolving an intention that is currently residing within a tattoo

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so that you can build it up more. So you

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could start with that, especially if you were trying and

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working and visualizing during the tattoo application. for it being

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what it needs to be. Now, if you are to

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later on see, oh yes, it's not looking exactly that

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specific way, I would take a step back and really

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analyze what the symbolism is that might be affected by

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the mess up. Is it something where it's just, hey,

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that person's eye is like a little bit droopy on

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the right. Then, okay, that might not really affect To

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your point, and I actually hadn't really thought about this,

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like if they had applied it on reverse, does that

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mean that it is reversed? Perhaps not necessarily. It is

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reversed compared to what you thought it would be. And

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there is a very big difference between, for example, looking

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at this and saying, okay. is this fully reversed? Did

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they put on the stencil completely on backwards? Or was

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it just when they were tracing, when they were drawing

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this out for you, they accidentally made it look to

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the left and not to the right? If it's just

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the way that the head is turned, then that is

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a sign that it isn't reversed. if the stencil is

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completely opposite, then I think we need to decouple. If

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that is the thing that you've noticed and you've focused

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on what that means from, for you and how you

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can decouple that from the intention, because right. You're right.

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That like the, there, there is a lot to be

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said for there is a lot to be said for

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your plans and all the immense symbolism that goes into that.

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In the end, your mind will make certain associations with that,

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whether it goes perfectly or not. So I think in

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the long run, it won't necessarily matter. But where I

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do think it does matter is, as I say in

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the book, if you have a tattoo that you don't like,

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there could be many reasons for that. One of the

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ways that you can get past that is by just

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working with it. Work with it in magic. If you

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think that the intention as it was originally created is reversed, sure.

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Undo the intention, rebuild it again, and just start working

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with it. Okay.

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You know, talking about all this kind of reminds me

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of that advice of don't get an Asian symbol wrong.

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tattooed on you because you don't know what it means

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really it could say you idiot and the tattoo artist

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says it's water um so that it's kind of funny

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now that we're talking about tattoo magic kind of the

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same thing you should really know what you're doing before

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you're getting tattooed whether it's you got tattooed with a

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tattoo that was meant for a spell or you have

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an intention for a tattoo that you chose um And

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I find it fascinating that, you know, all this time

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getting tattoos, I was never even really thinking of an

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intention other than, oh, this looks really good. And, you know,

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I've got Krampus on my arm. I've got a skeleton

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arm with a red.

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Ribbon that goes through it. Didn't look it up. That one.

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Anyways, I've always loved Krampus. I never looked that one

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up as what the symbolism would have been. But then

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I looked it up and it has to do with

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I believe it's Chinese folklore that you're always looking for

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your soulmate. So you're looking for that other side of

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the red string or ribbon that's coming out of your hand.

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Interesting.

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Yeah. I suppose you could also if you wanted to

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even just kind of broaden it into like a more

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general attraction type of thing, not attractions and love attraction,

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but like that thing that you're always searching for. You're

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working with it in magic at the very least. It

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doesn't necessarily have to be soulmate that you use that

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tattoo for. It can be, I don't know, the dream

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car that you always wanted, like that 1970s Mustang or whatever,

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or the dog that you want to be like your

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closest companion for the next 15 years or so.

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Yeah.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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So let's talk a little bit about energy.

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Because when setting an intention, you're really setting a type

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of energy into it. But beyond that, I guess my

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question is, how important is it to select the artist

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who is inking you? Because I personally, for example, am

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someone who prefers feminine energy over masculine energy. And so

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it's very rare I would get a tattoo from a

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man just because I tend to dislike or not associate

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with that type of energy when something's being drawn on me.

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So it's like, this person is putting their energy into this,

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that they're focusing on this tattoo, mind you. They're putting

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their own energy and intention into it to an extent

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while you're doing the same thing. So how important is

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it to find the right artist? And do you like

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kind of search around? Do you Just kind of like

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not think about it at all. I'm just like, you know,

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I'm just going to get the ink. It doesn't matter

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who's doing it. It's all about me and my mindset.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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I think that there is something to be said for

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the difference between what people would say is the magical

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tattoo artist versus the tattoo artist that you are most

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comfortable with. And those aren't always one in the same thing.

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Like there are a lot of tattoo artists who really

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specialize in magical tattoos and tattoo magic. And that's great

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for them. However, I have one tattoo artist who I

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really work with now and who I really am comfortable with.

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She is not a magical tattoo artist. But I know

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that she respects what it is that I do. And

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she's always like down or angry. Any type of tattoo

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magic that's happening, she's totally here for. And so ultimately,

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I think that what is most important is that you

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are the one who is doing the spell. So you

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should be in an environment in which you are more comfortable.

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And so with that in mind, for me, having the

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tattoo artist who you are comfortable with, who is not

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a magical practitioner, trumps a magical practitioner who you are

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less comfortable with any day of the week. Now, as

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far as searching for a tattoo artist, I think one

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of the things that hopefully some of these listeners will

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take some comfort in if they don't really have tattoos,

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for example, is that I've never found a tattoo artist

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who has been anti-magic. In fact, I have had tattoo

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artists tell me specifically that outside of the Bible Belt,

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there isn't like all tattoo artists are totally fine. with

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witchcraft they do not care as long as it isn't

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that you're oppressing others or or something like that right

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so it's not like if you have like a particular

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type of tattoo artist that you like going to that

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you're running a big risk of them being the type

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of person who would screw with that energy okay.

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So for somebody who's wanting to go get a tattoo

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and they are planning on doing magic practice with it,

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what could someone do before the appointment to spiritually prepare

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themselves for a tattoo intended for that work?

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So I personally believe and one of those people who

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very much believes in meditation and very much believes in

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grounding and centering. I think the grounding and centering are

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pretty key to any sort of magical practice, including and

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especially practices that sometimes are jarring enough to get you

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out of it. Like the kind of pain that you

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get for a tattoo or like the anxiety that you

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get about getting about the pain associated with a tattoo.

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So I would absolutely always recommend to anybody that they

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do some grounding and centering. that always I've found has

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been most effective when paired with some like breath work beforehand.

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And if you want to, you can couple the breath

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work with some visualizations about purifying your body. As far

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as purifying like the area, which, you know, purification being

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a very big thing for setting up before rituals, I

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would avoid putting much on the tattoo area in particular

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because especially if there is any sort of risk that

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it will not be sanitary because your tattoo like needle

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is going to be going in and out of your skin.

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And if you have something that is unsanitary on there

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and it gets inside the wound, that's not very good.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So when I, I'm going to kind of step back

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again to, to the artist, um, You know, one thing

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that I find very prominent within magical works, especially when

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you're working with other people, is this idea of consent.

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Do you find that when you're doing a magical tattoo

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or doing spell work with it, as you're being tattooed,

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that you have to or feel like you should relay

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that information to the artist? Or is that something you

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just kind of keep into yourself and you don't share that?

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Or is it just really just preference?

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So, I mean, I personally am of the opinion that

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consent really matters. And I always will tell any tattoo

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artist I'm working with what I'm about to do. And

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I do recommend to my readers that they do that

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as well. Truth be told, a lot of the spell

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work that goes into the tattoo comes from you rather

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than the tattoo artist. So it's not necessarily like the

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energies that you're building necessarily. go into or quote unquote

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infect the tattoo artist. However, if I were a tattoo

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artist and I were to find out Or if I

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were meeting with somebody and talking to them and I

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found out later that they were doing some sort of

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spiritual practice that would have offended me and they were

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doing it without my knowledge, that would kind of piss

471
00:30:08.539 --> 00:30:11.140
me off. And if that would piss me off, then

472
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:16.319
I don't want to do that to somebody else. Right, right.

473
00:30:16.339 --> 00:30:19.480
For sure. I think we all have different beliefs.

474
00:30:20.059 --> 00:30:21.460
And the last thing you really want to do is

475
00:30:21.500 --> 00:30:26.380
be pulled into someone else's belief unwillingly and without knowing. Um,

476
00:30:26.900 --> 00:30:28.319
cause that, I mean, that can cause a lot of

477
00:30:28.339 --> 00:30:30.380
trouble for that person too, especially if they have certain

478
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.079
spiritual religious beliefs, uh, that they're trying, you know, they're

479
00:30:34.099 --> 00:30:36.380
trying to refrain from some of these other things. Um,

480
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:38.319
so thank you for sharing that. That's, I find it

481
00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:43.779
seems simple, but it's, I find it incredible, like just how.

482
00:30:44.609 --> 00:30:47.549
how much people don't think that deep into it. Not

483
00:30:47.829 --> 00:30:50.910
that there's anything wrong with it, but especially when you're new.

484
00:30:51.430 --> 00:30:53.049
We have a lot of people who are new coming

485
00:30:53.069 --> 00:30:57.190
into magic. We see it really hitting mainstream on TikTok.

486
00:30:58.130 --> 00:31:00.490
And there's a lot of misinformation going around on top

487
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:05.900
of that. I feel like something like that seems somewhat simple,

488
00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:08.180
but something that maybe a lot of people don't think

489
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:12.460
about beforehand. How would I be affected if someone pushed

490
00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:15.210
their belief on me without letting me know it.

491
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.359
And then you find out later. That can be troubling.

492
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:20.420
I completely agree.

493
00:31:20.769 --> 00:31:23.269
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come together. All right, everybody, welcome back. If you're just

504
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tuning in or just joining us now, we were talking

505
00:32:20.829 --> 00:32:24.029
with Jake Morningstar about tattoo magic.

506
00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:27.779
Now, one thing that we will touch, I think, a

507
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.200
little bit on here, but I kind of want to

508
00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:33.700
get a little deeper into it. It's this idea of pain. Now,

509
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.059
for some people, tattoos hurt incredibly much. For others, not

510
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:40.869
at all. But for those who do tend to feel

511
00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:42.690
a significant amount of pain or even a little bit,

512
00:32:44.529 --> 00:32:50.410
how does one, really harness that pain as power? And

513
00:32:50.470 --> 00:32:52.339
is it something that you should be doing is harnessing

514
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:54.279
that pain as power? Or is it something you try

515
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.259
to avoid and push out of mind, out of mind,

516
00:32:56.299 --> 00:32:57.720
out of sight, et cetera?

517
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.980
So I will say thank you for bringing this up

518
00:33:02.019 --> 00:33:04.460
because this was actually one of my favorite things that

519
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:08.089
I wrote about in the book. The short answer is

520
00:33:08.109 --> 00:33:12.410
that you can use pain as power or you can't,

521
00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:16.309
whichever one is up to you. It's a completely optional thing.

522
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.589
But the thing is that pain does have power within it.

523
00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:27.680
There is a lot of literature out there that shows

524
00:33:27.980 --> 00:33:33.329
and documents that the feeling of pain, especially very intense pain,

525
00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:42.109
can lead to spiritual experiences. Like, for example, more painful pilgrimages.

526
00:33:43.450 --> 00:33:47.150
people will sometimes document that they will just stop feeling

527
00:33:47.190 --> 00:33:50.410
the pain. And instead of that pain, they'll feel this intense,

528
00:33:50.990 --> 00:33:54.299
overwhelming oneness with the deity that they are doing their

529
00:33:54.339 --> 00:34:01.039
pilgrimage for. So in my opinion, like that is just

530
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.700
more evidence that pain is not necessarily this thing that

531
00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:08.809
we need to be very afraid of, including and especially

532
00:34:08.849 --> 00:34:13.690
with tattoos. In fact, In their own way, they can

533
00:34:13.750 --> 00:34:18.489
be used for power. They can be used for raising energy.

534
00:34:18.550 --> 00:34:21.050
And in fact, I give a couple techniques for that

535
00:34:21.769 --> 00:34:27.030
in the book. I originally wrote that chapter partially because

536
00:34:27.090 --> 00:34:31.420
I found it to be fascinating, but partially because I'm

537
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:34.340
sure that there will be at least one person who

538
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.699
picks up this book who does not have a tattooing.

539
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.219
and is worried about taking the plunge. And maybe there's

540
00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:44.280
at least one person who's doing that because they're worried

541
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.719
about the pain. And I get it. I have almost

542
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.760
no pain tolerance. I have no idea how I was

543
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:54.960
able to make it through my blackout sleeve. I have

544
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:57.099
no idea how I was able to do that because

545
00:34:57.179 --> 00:35:01.409
I have no pain tolerance whatsoever. So I completely get

546
00:35:01.449 --> 00:35:04.670
it if you're worried about the pain. But perhaps it's

547
00:35:04.730 --> 00:35:08.909
good to... reframe it and instead look at the pain

548
00:35:08.949 --> 00:35:12.699
isn't necessarily something to be afraid of it's something to

549
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:19.639
be appreciated or something to be welcomed because it's not

550
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.239
necessarily a negative thing that being said if you don't

551
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.590
want to work with it for power you really don't.

552
00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:26.849
Have to okay.

553
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.780
Well, so a lot of emotion goes into getting a

554
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.760
tattoo and picking out a tattoo. You know, you have

555
00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:37.800
the fear of the pain, like you mentioned. You might

556
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.840
have grief depending on the meaning of the tattoo for yourself,

557
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.710
excitement that you are getting it. How does that go

558
00:35:45.789 --> 00:35:51.929
into being a part of working the magic as well? Like,

559
00:35:51.949 --> 00:35:56.110
should people be grounding themselves away from those emotions or

560
00:35:56.170 --> 00:35:56.650
embracing them?

561
00:35:58.309 --> 00:36:00.889
I think to a certain extent, it depends on how

562
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:06.320
productive you find that emotion will be later. I think

563
00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:11.219
that grief can be a very powerful emotion for centering

564
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.820
a relationship between you and somebody who has passed on.

565
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:20.400
So if you're getting, say, a memorial tattoo in order

566
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.940
to stay connected with that loved one after they've passed,

567
00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:28.550
and you view that grief as something that really cements

568
00:36:28.750 --> 00:36:32.650
your relationship with them, then that is a very powerful

569
00:36:32.710 --> 00:36:37.909
emotion to be using as that tattoo is being created. Now,

570
00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:41.989
if you find that grief to be grounding you, to

571
00:36:42.030 --> 00:36:48.079
be holding you back into the negative parts or negative experiences,

572
00:36:48.579 --> 00:36:52.239
when what you want to be fully conscious of and

573
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.230
fully experiencing is the positive things, the joy that you

574
00:36:56.309 --> 00:37:01.340
had in the memories, then perhaps don't use that. But

575
00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:03.619
I think that you bring up a very good point

576
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.280
that there's a lot of power in pain. There's also

577
00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:09.760
a lot of power in emotions. And there are a

578
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:14.059
wide variety of emotions that go through you when you're

579
00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:17.679
getting a tattoo. And I think the extent to which

580
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:20.900
you draw on any of them depends on the extent

581
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.989
to which you feel that they would be productive. Um,

582
00:37:25.289 --> 00:37:30.630
later on. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does.

583
00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:34.940
So now we talk about pain, we talk about emotion,

584
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:39.000
but there are some people who describe entering kind of a, uh,

585
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.530
almost meditative or translate state during long tattoo sessions. What

586
00:37:45.650 --> 00:37:49.429
role could an altered state of consciousness actually play when

587
00:37:49.469 --> 00:37:51.309
we sit in a tattoo and doing tattoo magic?

588
00:37:52.469 --> 00:37:54.530
So I'm one of those people who believes that altered

589
00:37:54.550 --> 00:37:59.659
states of consciousness are pretty key, or rather I should

590
00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:04.400
say that altered states of consciousness facilitate magic happening. Let's,

591
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.440
let's call it that, but it's an altered state of

592
00:38:06.500 --> 00:38:09.820
consciousness that allows us to speak to that divine part

593
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.679
of ourselves that is able to, you know, pull the

594
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.760
threads of the tapestry of like reality that we, you know,

595
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:27.699
live within. that those altered states of consciousness are like

596
00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:33.110
the ways to better facilitate that conversation. And so, yes,

597
00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:36.150
there are some people who will enter in the trance-like

598
00:38:36.349 --> 00:38:40.050
state during those. And I think if they are one

599
00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:43.510
of those people who tend to actually do that, then

600
00:38:43.630 --> 00:38:46.800
that is something that I am incredibly jealous of because

601
00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:49.320
I was never able to do that. I was never

602
00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:52.760
able to zone out like that during tattoo work. But

603
00:38:53.219 --> 00:38:56.340
if they know that they usually tend to do this,

604
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:03.760
then definitely 100% wait until you know that you're about

605
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.880
to enter that state, if you think that you are,

606
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.119
and start working your magic then.

607
00:39:09.219 --> 00:39:09.480
Okay.

608
00:39:10.940 --> 00:39:15.039
And it's funny because my wife does, not necessarily goes

609
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.159
into a trance, but like I mentioned earlier, disassociates, especially

610
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.659
for a very intense tattoo. Like, for example, the Krampus

611
00:39:24.699 --> 00:39:27.159
tattoo I have on my arm, she got on her

612
00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:30.860
calf or her thigh. and it was in a very

613
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.719
sensitive spot. So she went to her what we'll call

614
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.059
happy place. Is there a difference between going into a

615
00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:39.460
trance and disassociation?

616
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.030
I mean, it depends on what the thing that is

617
00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:49.170
taking over at the time is doing. If you're dissociating,

618
00:39:49.389 --> 00:39:53.849
then the part of you that is like consciously working

619
00:39:53.929 --> 00:39:59.449
magic is no longer there and is no longer present

620
00:39:59.610 --> 00:40:06.949
for the sensation. It is elsewhere, which I mean, hey,

621
00:40:07.699 --> 00:40:10.760
if you're one of those people who gets who dissociates

622
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.639
in order to get away from pain, but for whatever reason. No,

623
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.019
you know what? I'll take that back. What I was

624
00:40:17.059 --> 00:40:20.679
about to say. which is entering a trance and dissociation,

625
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.880
I think would be two different things in that entering

626
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.969
a trance is an altered state of consciousness in which

627
00:40:25.010 --> 00:40:27.909
you are better able to communicate with that part of

628
00:40:28.010 --> 00:40:31.510
our divine selves. Whereas, and it might be that other

629
00:40:31.550 --> 00:40:36.789
people view this to be differently, but in my understanding

630
00:40:36.829 --> 00:40:40.530
is a dissociation is less being in an altered state

631
00:40:40.550 --> 00:40:43.929
of consciousness where you still are somewhat aware of what's

632
00:40:43.969 --> 00:40:48.360
going on and have some like of a grasp versus

633
00:40:48.489 --> 00:40:58.789
deliberately leaving the space, literally leaving that part of waking consciousness.

634
00:40:59.989 --> 00:41:02.900
Does that make sense? I feel like I'm, I'm trying

635
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:06.099
to describe the words, but I'm like, only things that

636
00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:07.880
are getting me about 90% of the way there.

637
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:08.699
Yeah.

638
00:41:08.739 --> 00:41:12.800
So just association, basically you're, you're bringing yourself to another

639
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.550
place in your mind and, and there's no intention behind it.

640
00:41:16.619 --> 00:41:19.260
You're just trying to get away from the pain. We're

641
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.159
going into a trance, like say you might already have

642
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.789
those intentions in place. And if you're in that altered state,

643
00:41:26.429 --> 00:41:29.809
it kind of creates more of a way to bring

644
00:41:29.829 --> 00:41:31.690
that intention to fruition.

645
00:41:32.070 --> 00:41:36.010
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Also, like if you're trying, if you're

646
00:41:36.050 --> 00:41:38.369
viewing dissociation as like, I'm closing my eyes and I'm

647
00:41:38.389 --> 00:41:40.929
trying to go into my happy place, all of your

648
00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:43.730
energy is now being spent on you going to your

649
00:41:43.769 --> 00:41:44.429
happy place.

650
00:41:44.510 --> 00:41:44.730
Okay.

651
00:41:45.909 --> 00:41:49.449
If you're dissociating in like the Sybil kind of like

652
00:41:49.489 --> 00:41:53.340
dissociative identity disorder, then it's really the identity that takes

653
00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:56.960
over during the magic. And if you don't know like

654
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.119
your identities, if you have DID and you don't know

655
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.909
your identities very well, your alters, then I mean, that

656
00:42:06.929 --> 00:42:08.650
might not be the best thing. Right.

657
00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:12.510
I catch it. It says it really, in simplest terms,

658
00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:17.050
it really comes down to either running or accepting. And

659
00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:19.349
if you're constantly trying to avoid the pain, you're simply

660
00:42:19.550 --> 00:42:23.670
running from the intention, the magic, the pain itself. It

661
00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:27.989
completely shifts your mindset. Whereas accepting it and allowing your

662
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:33.420
consciousness to just be and let free while the pain happens, well,

663
00:42:33.460 --> 00:42:36.889
now you're absorbing that energy. You're putting new energy into it.

664
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.500
And in a way, you're strengthening that magical spell because

665
00:42:41.539 --> 00:42:44.380
of it, because you're just fully, full acceptance of it.

666
00:42:45.210 --> 00:42:49.019
Totally agree. I mean, we can still agree that the

667
00:42:49.059 --> 00:42:53.300
pain sucks. Oh, yeah. Totally agree that the pain sucks.

668
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.880
And to be fair, there are ways of making the

669
00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:01.679
tattoo feel less painful. For example, obviously when the needle

670
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:04.769
goes in you, it's not vibrating against your skin, but

671
00:43:04.789 --> 00:43:07.130
it goes in and out of your skin so quickly

672
00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:10.530
that it feels like a vibration. I've actually felt that

673
00:43:11.170 --> 00:43:16.269
if you focus on the vibrating part sensation, the pain

674
00:43:16.349 --> 00:43:21.869
dulls and focusing on vibration is in a way kind

675
00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:26.409
of poetic. When you think about people who have the

676
00:43:26.449 --> 00:43:31.110
philosophy that magic is changing your vibration in order to

677
00:43:31.190 --> 00:43:34.230
match what it is that you want. So then focusing

678
00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:40.550
on the vibrate vibratory sensation becomes a really powerful way

679
00:43:40.690 --> 00:43:45.099
to raise energy. While also, you know, just so happens

680
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.619
to dull down the pain. That does not mean, though,

681
00:43:47.659 --> 00:43:50.650
to your point, that you're running from the pain. You're

682
00:43:50.670 --> 00:43:56.730
still accepting it as it comes in. You're 100% still

683
00:43:56.809 --> 00:43:59.469
accepting it as it comes in. You don't necessarily need

684
00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:01.960
to raise energy with the pain, though.

685
00:44:02.539 --> 00:44:03.079
Okay.

686
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.800
So, we've talked about what we should do prior to

687
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.699
getting a tattoo if you're going to do tattoo magic.

688
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.920
It's setting the intention, getting the design right. We've talked

689
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.929
about the process of getting the tattoo and where we

690
00:44:17.969 --> 00:44:21.210
should be mentally when the art is being done and

691
00:44:21.269 --> 00:44:23.610
when it's being inked into our skin. But let's talk

692
00:44:23.650 --> 00:44:26.650
a little bit about after the tattoo because I think

693
00:44:26.690 --> 00:44:28.849
a lot of people might just think, oh, I go in,

694
00:44:28.909 --> 00:44:31.550
get the tattoo, get it done, boom, done, that's it.

695
00:44:32.429 --> 00:44:37.179
But my question is, after the tattoo is finished, does

696
00:44:37.219 --> 00:44:40.579
the healing process itself have any sort of spiritual or

697
00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:43.829
ritual significance as well? Or is it something that's just,

698
00:44:44.789 --> 00:44:47.429
it just doesn't matter. It's just no point to, to,

699
00:44:47.489 --> 00:44:49.190
to focusing in on the healing aspect.

700
00:44:50.869 --> 00:44:53.469
Um, so it's a very good question. And I have

701
00:44:53.510 --> 00:44:55.110
to say that you guys have brought up a couple

702
00:44:55.130 --> 00:44:57.110
of things here where I'm like, damn, if I wrote

703
00:44:57.139 --> 00:45:01.789
a sequel, this would be really, um, I do not

704
00:45:01.869 --> 00:45:04.659
fully remember and keep in mind that some parts of

705
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:08.820
like this book I wrote a long time ago. But

706
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.880
I don't I never don't remember writing that much about

707
00:45:13.940 --> 00:45:17.300
the healing process. I think that any sort of healing

708
00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:24.670
process can be viewed symbolically as like this beautiful bringing

709
00:45:24.769 --> 00:45:30.139
together or settling of something in into your life. And

710
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.500
I think that if you wanted to, and I'm sure

711
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.719
any either of you or any of your listeners, if

712
00:45:38.780 --> 00:45:41.440
they put like half a thought to it could come

713
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:45.889
up with several different rituals for that. I could totally

714
00:45:46.010 --> 00:45:48.969
do that. And I think that it is a very charged,

715
00:45:49.530 --> 00:45:54.400
symbolic time and to a certain extent, spiritual time. Um,

716
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.579
if you view your energy body in this way, it

717
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.900
is kind of rebuilding itself, just like your body is

718
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.530
rebuilding it. No reconstituting itself. Um, but do I have

719
00:46:06.590 --> 00:46:11.230
any advice on rituals for that? Not at the moment. Okay.

720
00:46:13.530 --> 00:46:16.130
So I have no doubt that a lot of our

721
00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:22.860
listeners do already have tattoos. Um, How can someone begin

722
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.900
working spiritually or magically with pre-existing tattoos?

723
00:46:29.409 --> 00:46:36.429
So I go over several different ways in a couple

724
00:46:36.449 --> 00:46:40.989
different chapters. I will say that it's not even just

725
00:46:41.070 --> 00:46:45.250
limited to magic. If you were to have a memorial tattoo,

726
00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:49.690
you can use that memorial tattoo for ancestor work. If

727
00:46:49.710 --> 00:46:52.849
you have a tattoo of a deity, you can use

728
00:46:52.889 --> 00:46:56.750
that for devotionals. But in terms of magic, perhaps the

729
00:46:56.889 --> 00:47:01.510
easiest way to activate it is just through touch. And

730
00:47:01.550 --> 00:47:05.010
I don't think that you need to put in as

731
00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:11.570
much effort into tattoo magic with tattoos that are already healed,

732
00:47:11.590 --> 00:47:19.570
especially tattoos that have healed a long time ago. Because... Tattoos,

733
00:47:19.829 --> 00:47:25.409
in my opinion, are batteries of energy. Anything that goes

734
00:47:25.550 --> 00:47:30.820
through your tattoo already has certain meanings, has its own

735
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.119
lens through which the world around us is filtered. And

736
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.519
the energy that goes through that tattoo area is filtered

737
00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:43.500
in that same way. So any of the energy that

738
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:49.030
resides in or around your tattoo is is already being

739
00:47:49.190 --> 00:47:55.989
filtered with that intention. So all that really is left

740
00:47:56.710 --> 00:47:58.090
is to activate it.

741
00:47:59.159 --> 00:47:59.409
Okay.

742
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.519
And one of the ways that you can do that

743
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:08.960
is with touch, like lightly circling the tattoo with your fingertip,

744
00:48:10.019 --> 00:48:14.630
for example, while you visualize your outcome or just look

745
00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:16.610
at the tattoo as long as like, you know, you can,

746
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.559
get what the intention is by looking directly at the tattoo.

747
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.659
And just doing that repeatedly, rhythmically, until you feel that

748
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:34.610
click that is, oh, nope, it's happened. The energies have peaked.

749
00:48:35.289 --> 00:48:38.030
You can also, and I've always found that it's easier

750
00:48:38.110 --> 00:48:40.989
for me to couple that with chanting, but that's because

751
00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:44.349
when you chant, when I chant at least, I find

752
00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:47.320
that as the energies pick up, my pace picks up.

753
00:48:47.949 --> 00:48:51.130
And so that's a way for me to very easily

754
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:57.480
tell when I have raised enough energy. Okay.

755
00:48:57.500 --> 00:49:02.460
So now, when it comes to people who practice magic

756
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.730
or who are spiritual, we tend to look a lot

757
00:49:05.789 --> 00:49:09.210
into signs, symbolism. And I'm not just talking about like

758
00:49:09.590 --> 00:49:13.889
physical symbols, but like symbolism is in certain things happening. Like, oh,

759
00:49:14.889 --> 00:49:18.500
that's interesting. Maybe I should rethink what I'm doing you

760
00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:22.699
know for example so and this again this is a

761
00:49:22.739 --> 00:49:24.699
rare instance but I do know a couple of people

762
00:49:24.739 --> 00:49:26.420
which this has happened to now mind you they were

763
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.420
just getting tattoos that wasn't magical or anything but let's

764
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.739
say that you have I suppose it's more of an

765
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.309
opinion because I'm sure it depends on the individual and

766
00:49:37.349 --> 00:49:41.630
their practice but let's say you have a tattoo that

767
00:49:41.650 --> 00:49:42.349
you're getting inked.

768
00:49:43.889 --> 00:49:46.670
You have the intention set. The spell is ready. The

769
00:49:46.809 --> 00:49:48.610
ink is done. You get it all done. It's all set.

770
00:49:48.650 --> 00:49:49.829
And now you're in the healing process.

771
00:49:50.389 --> 00:49:54.119
But all of a sudden, your body rejects the ink.

772
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.360
And you end up with a problem. Because it's like,

773
00:49:58.659 --> 00:49:59.400
is this a sign?

774
00:49:59.500 --> 00:50:03.119
Is your body telling you that this magical spell shouldn't

775
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:05.920
be done or isn't going to take? What do you

776
00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:08.769
do with that? Or do you just kind of push

777
00:50:08.789 --> 00:50:11.210
to be like, oh, well, my body just happened to

778
00:50:11.250 --> 00:50:13.429
reject it. There is no meaning behind it. We'll just

779
00:50:13.469 --> 00:50:15.610
try it again and see what happens.

780
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.739
Well, I think that belief is a very powerful thing,

781
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.179
extremely powerful thing. And I think it kind of goes

782
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.250
back to a question that you asked me that was

783
00:50:28.289 --> 00:50:32.250
somewhat similar a little bit earlier. And that part of

784
00:50:32.530 --> 00:50:35.630
if you have something and you get worried is like

785
00:50:35.889 --> 00:50:39.139
sitting down and thinking with yourself, is what I am

786
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:46.409
worried about truly grounded? Like if that panther is looking

787
00:50:46.469 --> 00:50:49.429
to the right instead of looking to the left, does

788
00:50:49.510 --> 00:50:54.380
that matter? If you end up finding whether or not

789
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:59.760
it matters that you still are anxious, you can always

790
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:04.300
just undo the magic. If you find that it does matter,

791
00:51:04.510 --> 00:51:08.030
then you can always undo the magic. I mean, yeah,

792
00:51:08.150 --> 00:51:10.570
if you had gotten the tattoo purely to be a spell,

793
00:51:10.590 --> 00:51:12.840
that might be a bit of a disappointment and some

794
00:51:12.889 --> 00:51:16.019
like a decent amount of money lost. This is one

795
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.159
of the reasons why I originally like focused on healed

796
00:51:19.219 --> 00:51:22.119
tattoos rather than tattoos in the studio.

797
00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:24.199
Right.

798
00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:29.789
But ultimately, it's if your body rejects it and and

799
00:51:29.909 --> 00:51:34.489
I should know this answer better. But my best knowledge

800
00:51:34.510 --> 00:51:38.820
is that tends to happen very quickly. afterward so you

801
00:51:38.900 --> 00:51:42.099
have more than enough time and please don't quote me

802
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.599
on that I'm sure that I may have like accidentally

803
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.940
put my foot in my mouth about this I'm not

804
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.860
a tattoo artist so if I got that wrong whoever

805
00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:58.070
notices that please don't judge me for it but my

806
00:51:58.130 --> 00:52:01.269
knowledge is that that usually happens very quickly if it's

807
00:52:01.289 --> 00:52:03.530
something that you're like oh this is a bad sign

808
00:52:03.789 --> 00:52:07.769
you have more than enough time to just clear it.

809
00:52:08.170 --> 00:52:09.230
Okay. Yeah.

810
00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:13.960
So there's going to be those cynics or skeptics out

811
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.960
there that might argue that tattoo magic is simply assigning

812
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:22.179
additional meaning to something that's already psychologically significant.

813
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.820
How would you respond to that? I mean, it depends

814
00:52:26.889 --> 00:52:29.429
on whether the spell that you're doing is for something

815
00:52:29.449 --> 00:52:32.750
that's internal or external is the first thing that I

816
00:52:32.769 --> 00:52:35.949
would say. And the second thing I would say is

817
00:52:36.030 --> 00:52:42.039
that the psychological significance might be what gives it its power.

818
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:50.570
So I don't think that those are necessarily like separable. Also,

819
00:52:50.710 --> 00:52:54.010
I'm one of those people who firmly believes that magic

820
00:52:54.090 --> 00:52:59.969
and science are spiritual explanations and quote unquote scientific scientific explanations,

821
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:04.780
whether they are genuinely scientific or just like science sounding.

822
00:53:06.110 --> 00:53:13.280
are not mutually exclusive. To give an example, let's say

823
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:18.960
20 years from now, scientists from Harvard say that they've

824
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:23.420
finished a 20-year-long study and they found that our neurons

825
00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:26.989
are not the only things that guide our behavior in

826
00:53:27.050 --> 00:53:31.750
our brain. As we understand it, there's also quantum information

827
00:53:31.789 --> 00:53:34.570
that's housed inside of each of our neurons. And that

828
00:53:34.650 --> 00:53:38.429
quantum information contributes to how we see the world and

829
00:53:38.489 --> 00:53:43.800
how we act, etc. Furthermore, they found that once we die,

830
00:53:43.820 --> 00:53:49.579
that that quantum information sticks around for a while, doesn't

831
00:53:49.699 --> 00:53:53.679
stop functioning when the neurons stop functioning, and just goes

832
00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:58.260
off into some sort of parallel dimension that we've also discovered.

833
00:53:58.420 --> 00:54:00.940
And you'd have a lot of people who'd say, oh, well,

834
00:54:00.980 --> 00:54:03.239
isn't that interesting? We have quantum information in our brain.

835
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.530
And there'd be just as many people who would say, congratulations,

836
00:54:07.570 --> 00:54:13.710
you've discovered the soul. You've discovered the afterlife. Like parallel dimension.

837
00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:18.349
That doesn't mean that either explanation is wrong.

838
00:54:19.110 --> 00:54:19.409
Right.

839
00:54:20.449 --> 00:54:23.340
In fact, they both can be right. They're just different

840
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:29.800
ways of looking at it. Right, right. So to make

841
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.909
a long story short, or rather not, I think that

842
00:54:33.929 --> 00:54:38.869
the psychological significance is something that gives it its power.

843
00:54:39.030 --> 00:54:41.889
And so I think that any cynic who says that, oh, well,

844
00:54:41.949 --> 00:54:49.519
it's already psychologically insightful should be told that that doesn't

845
00:54:49.659 --> 00:54:51.420
mean that it isn't magical.

846
00:54:52.099 --> 00:54:52.280
Right.

847
00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:52.860
All right.

848
00:54:54.739 --> 00:54:58.800
Well, Jake, we are unfortunately at the end of the

849
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.179
show here. So what we'd like to do is just

850
00:55:01.219 --> 00:55:03.559
give you the opportunity here to tell everyone where they

851
00:55:03.579 --> 00:55:05.559
can find you, where they can find your work, and

852
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:07.980
of course share anything else you'd like to share with

853
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.159
our listeners.

854
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:17.090
Yeah, so I can be found on TikTok or Instagram,

855
00:55:17.130 --> 00:55:22.309
though to be honest, I'm never on TikTok. At that

856
00:55:22.630 --> 00:55:28.900
underscore Morningstar underscore witch. Um, my book can be found

857
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.500
where are all books are sold. And if you read

858
00:55:32.539 --> 00:55:35.880
my book and you like my book, then please feel

859
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:40.179
free to take a little bit of time to message

860
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.289
me on social media and let me know how you,

861
00:55:43.510 --> 00:55:44.369
what you liked about it.

862
00:55:44.369 --> 00:55:48.639
All right. Well, thank you Jake so much for joining us.

863
00:55:48.650 --> 00:55:50.469
It's been a pleasure chatting with you about this.

864
00:55:50.889 --> 00:55:51.449
It has been.

865
00:55:53.369 --> 00:55:57.170
Hi, everybody. So we asked our Paratruther community, can a

866
00:55:57.210 --> 00:56:01.670
tattoo carry spiritual or magical power? Well, 57% of you

867
00:56:01.730 --> 00:56:06.559
said yes. Intention can give it power. 14% said possibly.

868
00:56:07.059 --> 00:56:12.699
Some symbols seem stronger than others. 14% said it's psychological,

869
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.980
but that still makes it powerful. And 1%, of course,

870
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:16.840
said no.

871
00:56:17.110 --> 00:56:18.690
There's always that 1%.

872
00:56:18.690 --> 00:56:26.849
So it's meaningful art. but nothing supernatural. And 14% said

873
00:56:27.170 --> 00:56:30.909
that tattooing is a blood ritual that binds you to

874
00:56:30.969 --> 00:56:34.579
what you are invoking through said ritual. So of course,

875
00:56:35.260 --> 00:56:38.039
tell us after listening to this episode, whether or not

876
00:56:38.099 --> 00:56:41.760
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877
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885
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886
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887
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888
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And I'm Justin.

889
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