Tattoo Magick: When Ink Becomes Intention w/Jake Morningstar

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Coming up on Paratroop Reborn, we'll talk with Jake Morningstar

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about his book, Tattoo Magic.

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Welcome to Paratroop.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody to Paratroop Reborn.

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My name is Eric.

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And I'm Justin.

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And tonight we're discussing intention, symbolism, ritual, pain, ancestors, devotional tattoos,

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choosing an artist, and whether permanently placing something on your

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body can permanently change the way you interact with magic. Tonight,

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we have with us Jake Morningstar. Jake, welcome to Paratroop Reborn.

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Thank you. It is so nice to be on. Hey,

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how are you? Yeah, for sure.

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Sorry to jump right into it. Usually, we have a

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little leeway in the beginning here to kind of chat.

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We're kind of running behind here. But before we get

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into the techniques here that are described within the book,

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what was the moment when you first realized tattoos and

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magic belonged in the same conversation?

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So it's interesting. One of my earlier tattoos was a

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series of triangles that's on my chest. One for each

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traumatic experience that I've endured in my childhood. It was

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meant to kind of be like a sign of hope

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or whatever. And one of the things that are part

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of my personal magical practice are shapes. I create sigils

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with shapes. I will arrange candles alongside herbs and crystals,

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et cetera, in shapes. And one of the things that

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I started to see once I changed my practice in

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that way over and over again was the triangle would

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show up as a shape that corresponded to strength or

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related intentions like that, which to me was very confusing

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because neither the triangle nor the number three is associated

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traditionally with strength. And so one day I had an

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aha moment and I was like, wait, the triangle for

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me is strength because my triangle tattoo is strength. This

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thing that I gave as a sign of hope is

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something that gives strength. So in other words, I must

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have inadvertently created this and I used this as a

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type of spell and it would not have manifested in

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the ways that I do further magic. unless it had

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actually worked. So having thus arrived at that conclusion led

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to a whole lot of fun stuff with my currently

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healed tattoos, and then following that, trying to figure out

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how to cast spells while receiving a tattoo in the

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tattoo studio.

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So what's the difference between just simply getting a tattoo versus...

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a tattoo being intentionally used for, for magic.

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Um, so, um, could you, could you help me understand, uh,

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some more of the question you said, um, the difference

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between receiving a tattoo versus using it intentionally in magic.

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Do you mean just like just having it on your body?

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Or just going to get one, like say I go

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to a tattoo shop and I pick one off the

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wall instead of like coming up with my own and

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having some type of.

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Symbology regarding it. Like, is there.

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Something that you do personally when you're getting a tattoo

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that makes it magical? Or is it you are like,

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are you just picking something and then putting the intention

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in there randomly?

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So it's a good question. I should start by saying

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that tattoo that I have on my chest, that triangle tattoo,

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I didn't go into it with any sort of thought

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that I would be able to use it for magic later.

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It's just that that's how that ended up happening in

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the tattoo studio for like similar reasons. I don't think

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that it has to be that we need to go

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into something, choosing that something has to be meaningful in

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order for it to ultimately be meaningful. One of the

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things that I talk about in the book is the

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fact that tattoos work, at least within my own particular

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magical philosophy, partially because they are really meaningful symbols that

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we can use to communicate with those parts of ourselves

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that practice magic. or as stand-ins for visualizations would have you.

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But that doesn't mean that the tattoo that you received

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because you thought it would look cool is any less

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magical or meaningful because our brain works by making associations.

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It draws connections. It creates meaning in a wide variety

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of situations, and that includes our tattoos. So even that, like,

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tattoo of a panther that you may have gotten because

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you thought it looked cool, your brain still has associations

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that it makes with that tattoo. You just might not

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be consciously aware of it. And once you become aware

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of it, though, you then know what intentions it works

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with in magic. So Technically, I don't even need to

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have gone into so I don't need to have gone

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into getting a tattoo thinking at the time I'm going

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to be using this in magic later, whether it's meaningful

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or not, I don't technically even need it to have

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been like, created meaningfully for me to use it in

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magic now.

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Okay.

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So with that said then, if you don't need to

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have any sort of necessary intention when getting a tattoo

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in the first place, can a tattoo that you have,

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that maybe you're using magically, can that change or can

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your view or your intention of that tattoo change over time?

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So say you, like you said, the panther, let's say

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it means strength to you for years. And then all

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of a sudden you have a new insight on what

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that panther means. Can you just naturally change that? the

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intention behind that tattoo then when using it in magic?

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And if so, do you have to kind of discard

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the original intention in order to make way for the

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new one? Or do you just kind of like blend

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them together to make them work in unison?

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So it's a very good question. And I would probably

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say that what frequently matters is what it means to

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you at the time of the spell. And by that,

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I mean, you could have gotten the Panther originally for strength.

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And then five years later, you find that it has

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to do with, I don't know, preparedness or something like that.

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Before you had come up with that epiphany, you could

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be using it for strength. After you realize that, no,

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it really screams preparedness for you and you don't really

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see the strength angle anymore. You could be using it

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for preparedness afterward.

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The one.

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Possible exception that I would make that would be if

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you originally got that tattoo and made magic with that

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tattoo in the studio for something specific. If I was

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in the tattoo studio and when I was receiving that tattoo,

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I was working a spell for strength, then that association

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is now permanently associated with the tattoo. It doesn't mean

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that you can't create other associations like preparedness, but it

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is that that strength bit never goes away. Does that

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make sense?

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Yeah, no, it does. I actually have a, Justin, I

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have a follow-up real quick on that too. So, you know,

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I've had, I have a couple of tattoos. Justin has

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a few tattoos.

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One right there.

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And usually, usually when you go into a tattoo parlor,

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you know, you're having a conversation with the tattoo artist

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while they're working on you, typically. So when you're creating

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an intention or creating a magical spell while you're getting

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the tattoo done, are you sitting there purposely in silence

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telling the artist not to speak with you so you

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can focus all your attention? Or are you trying to

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split your time and energy between the spell and holding

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the conversation? And how does that affect the tattoo ultimately?

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Especially like if, say... you start to naturally associate this

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tattoo with conversations you're having with this person that you

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may not want in the work or within the magic itself.

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Yeah, so I would say that personally, I would not

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be having a conversation with my tattoo artist. I do

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feel that in my experience with tattoo artists, if you're like, hey,

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so I'm not really feeling it right now. I'm not

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really feeling like talking at the moment. Is that all right?

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They'll just be like, yeah, cool, whatever. I need to

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concentrate on this anyway. And then keep on going. I

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don't think that at any point, anybody who's receiving a

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tattoo should feel pressured to speak with a tattoo artist.

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That being said, I know what you're talking about, and

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that it is like a big thing. When you're receiving

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a tattoo, you have ongoing conversations with your tattoo artists

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while you're getting them. But I don't think that But

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I think that there is no tattoo artist who would

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be offended if you're like, hey, can we be silent

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for a little while? And honestly, I think magic can

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only be stronger when you give your undivided attention to it.

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I don't think that tattoo magic itself takes as long anyway. Like,

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I don't think I've ever had... For one specific intention,

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I don't think I've ever raised energy or done the

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specific spell part for more than 15 minutes, 17 minutes.

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So unless I'm doing a tattoo that has a lot

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of different intentions within it, that leaves a lot of

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time for me to be talking with the tattoo artist.

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Right.

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One, there are those that need to concentrate in case

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it is too painful for them so that they can

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go to another place not to feel that pain to disassociate.

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Yep.

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So, like, say you're designing a tattoo. How important is

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it for intention to be a part of that specifically

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for magical purposes?

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I mean, if you know I have a time that

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it is going to be used for magic, then I

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fully believe that putting in as much effort as you

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can can only benefit it. That being said, I think

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that there is quite a bit to say for the

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fact that if you, as long as your brain can

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make a very strong association nose ahead of time immediately,

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what that tattoo is supposed to symbolize so much of

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like the beauty of having a tattoo, so much of

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the connection that you have with a tattoo occurs not

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during the design phase, but afterwards when it's being applied

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to you. And, you know, when you get to see

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it on you, I hope that a great deal of

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the power that comes within tattoos comes from the fact

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that they are such strong parts of our senses of self.

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And I have, definitely seen a lot of people with

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some really questionable tattoo designs who still are like i

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absolutely adore this tattoo i know exactly what this is

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for um so would it be advisable yes is it

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fully necessary possibly not so much.

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Okay the favorite So in many ways when you're designing

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one of these tattoos, it's like designing a sigil. You're

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so focused on the symbolism of the sigil and what

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you're putting into it and what each part means that

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it kind of becomes a power, a little power vessel

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of its own. Whether you're having it tattooed on you

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or drawn on you or you're just putting it on

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a piece of paper and throwing it in your pocket,

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it's very much the same way. The only real difference

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is is that there is a small transition, whereas with

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a typical sigil that you're maybe doing on your own,

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drawing it up or whatever, you're actually having somebody else

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draw on you with permanent ink. And so there is

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a little gap where it's like, okay, I put in

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the work of what this means, but that's only a portion.

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Now I need to focus on this ink being etched

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in so that it continues to build power and have

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that power stored within it.

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Yes.

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Yes. And intentionality is really key here. Yeah. Now, once

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you receive a tattoo, does it build up energy naturally?

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I think so. I think that however you choose to

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define it or like the electrical field that surrounds us,

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that our tattoos are continually charged with that electrical field

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that we generate. But I do agree completely that with

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the way that you connected that to sigil work that

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there is the design phase yes but then there is

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also the activation part and there is that phase in

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which you know with this tattoo you know you might

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be drawing a sigil on a piece of paper while

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the tattoo artist has to draw it on you and

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that is a moment that if you're going to work

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magic in the tattoo studio especially is as important as

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the design phase.

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Yeah So, this is probably a dumb question, but say

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somebody chooses a tattoo and it has some type of

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spiritual or magical significance and they don't know about it.

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Can that affect them in a negative way at all

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or a positive way without them even knowing?

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It's a good question. I think it... I was just

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having a conversation with somebody about this last week, which

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is that I don't know that, like, of course, if

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you don't know what the symbol represents, then it cannot

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affect you consciously. As to whether or not it connects to,

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let's call it the egregore, that is that concept and

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the underlying, you know, impact that that has. I have

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never fully been able to figure out how that works.

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And I think that it's a very good question to have.

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I think it's a very good thing for us all

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to keep in mind, anybody who is a magical practitioner,

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is to be sure you know what something represents in general,

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and especially before you get it put on your body permanently.

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I personally would say that eventually anything that you have

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or that you possess will connect with the egregore that

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it comes from as to when and how strong it

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is i would unfortunately not be able to tell you

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but that is a very good question.

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Yeah so let's like i'm thinking about people who are

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maybe superstitious um and mind you probably within this world

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that we all walk in terms of the spiritual, many

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of us are pretty superstitious to an extent.

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Um, so let's say.

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You have this design and this is, this is more

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like a very rare accident, but let's say you have

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a design and you have it set up a certain way, right?

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Maybe angles are certain ways. Uh, maybe the, the character

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or whatever is looking a certain way and you get

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it tattooed on you and you realize, oh crap, they

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put it on in reverse. You weren't thinking about it.

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Um, How do you think that affects the initial intention? Like,

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I know some people might think like, oh, well, I

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have this, you know, going back to the Panther. He's

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looking off to the left in the drawing. But when

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you get it tattooed, it's looking to the right a bit.

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And now you have this thought like, oh, no. my

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whole intention is reversed. And now the opposite is going

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to happen to what I had initially thought would happen

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or believe would happen. How does one get past something

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like that? Because I'm like, I'm personally someone with obsessive

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compulsive disorder. I have to do things a certain way.

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And if something seems out of straights, I struggle a

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bit with that. I have to try to fix it.

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But that's not something you can easily do, obviously, with

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physical ink that is already tattooed on you. So it's

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more of a mental process, right? That you have to

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kind of renavigate the situation and do a different intention

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or something.

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Yeah so i think i think to your point that

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this definitely does speak to the vast importance of when

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you're in the tattoo studio and somebody is showing you

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the design and is applying it to you to be

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very sure that the elements that are supposed to be

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there are there that being said um if you feel that,

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oh my God, now this is completely ruined. I need

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to like start from the ground up. I do have

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exercises toward the end of the book for, you know,

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dissolving an intention that is currently residing within a tattoo

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so that you can build it up more. So you

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could start with that, especially if you were trying and

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working and visualizing during the tattoo application. for it being

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what it needs to be. Now, if you are to

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later on see, oh yes, it's not looking exactly that

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specific way, I would take a step back and really

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analyze what the symbolism is that might be affected by

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the mess up. Is it something where it's just, hey,

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that person's eye is like a little bit droopy on

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the right. Then, okay, that might not really affect To

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your point, and I actually hadn't really thought about this,

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like if they had applied it on reverse, does that

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mean that it is reversed? Perhaps not necessarily. It is

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reversed compared to what you thought it would be. And

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there is a very big difference between, for example, looking

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at this and saying, okay. is this fully reversed? Did

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they put on the stencil completely on backwards? Or was

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it just when they were tracing, when they were drawing

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this out for you, they accidentally made it look to

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the left and not to the right? If it's just

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the way that the head is turned, then that is

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a sign that it isn't reversed. if the stencil is

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completely opposite, then I think we need to decouple. If

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that is the thing that you've noticed and you've focused

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on what that means from, for you and how you

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can decouple that from the intention, because right. You're right.

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That like the, there, there is a lot to be

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said for there is a lot to be said for

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your plans and all the immense symbolism that goes into that.

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In the end, your mind will make certain associations with that,

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whether it goes perfectly or not. So I think in

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the long run, it won't necessarily matter. But where I

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do think it does matter is, as I say in

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the book, if you have a tattoo that you don't like,

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there could be many reasons for that. One of the

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ways that you can get past that is by just

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working with it. Work with it in magic. If you

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think that the intention as it was originally created is reversed, sure.

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Undo the intention, rebuild it again, and just start working

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with it. Okay.

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You know, talking about all this kind of reminds me

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of that advice of don't get an Asian symbol wrong.

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tattooed on you because you don't know what it means

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really it could say you idiot and the tattoo artist

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says it's water um so that it's kind of funny

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now that we're talking about tattoo magic kind of the

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same thing you should really know what you're doing before

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you're getting tattooed whether it's you got tattooed with a

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tattoo that was meant for a spell or you have

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an intention for a tattoo that you chose um And

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I find it fascinating that, you know, all this time

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getting tattoos, I was never even really thinking of an

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intention other than, oh, this looks really good. And, you know,

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I've got Krampus on my arm. I've got a skeleton

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arm with a red.

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Ribbon that goes through it. Didn't look it up. That one.

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Anyways, I've always loved Krampus. I never looked that one

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up as what the symbolism would have been. But then

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I looked it up and it has to do with

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I believe it's Chinese folklore that you're always looking for

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your soulmate. So you're looking for that other side of

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the red string or ribbon that's coming out of your hand.

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Interesting.

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Yeah. I suppose you could also if you wanted to

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even just kind of broaden it into like a more

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general attraction type of thing, not attractions and love attraction,

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but like that thing that you're always searching for. You're

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working with it in magic at the very least. It

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doesn't necessarily have to be soulmate that you use that

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tattoo for. It can be, I don't know, the dream

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car that you always wanted, like that 1970s Mustang or whatever,

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or the dog that you want to be like your

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closest companion for the next 15 years or so.

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Yeah.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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So let's talk a little bit about energy.

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Because when setting an intention, you're really setting a type

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of energy into it. But beyond that, I guess my

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question is, how important is it to select the artist

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who is inking you? Because I personally, for example, am

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someone who prefers feminine energy over masculine energy. And so

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it's very rare I would get a tattoo from a

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man just because I tend to dislike or not associate

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with that type of energy when something's being drawn on me.

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So it's like, this person is putting their energy into this,

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that they're focusing on this tattoo, mind you. They're putting

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their own energy and intention into it to an extent

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while you're doing the same thing. So how important is

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it to find the right artist? And do you like

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kind of search around? Do you Just kind of like

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not think about it at all. I'm just like, you know,

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I'm just going to get the ink. It doesn't matter

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who's doing it. It's all about me and my mindset.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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I think that there is something to be said for

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the difference between what people would say is the magical

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tattoo artist versus the tattoo artist that you are most

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comfortable with. And those aren't always one in the same thing.

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Like there are a lot of tattoo artists who really

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specialize in magical tattoos and tattoo magic. And that's great

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for them. However, I have one tattoo artist who I

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really work with now and who I really am comfortable with.

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She is not a magical tattoo artist. But I know

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that she respects what it is that I do. And

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she's always like down or angry. Any type of tattoo

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magic that's happening, she's totally here for. And so ultimately,

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I think that what is most important is that you

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are the one who is doing the spell. So you

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should be in an environment in which you are more comfortable.

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And so with that in mind, for me, having the

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tattoo artist who you are comfortable with, who is not

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a magical practitioner, trumps a magical practitioner who you are

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less comfortable with any day of the week. Now, as

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far as searching for a tattoo artist, I think one

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of the things that hopefully some of these listeners will

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take some comfort in if they don't really have tattoos,

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for example, is that I've never found a tattoo artist

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who has been anti-magic. In fact, I have had tattoo

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artists tell me specifically that outside of the Bible Belt,

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there isn't like all tattoo artists are totally fine. with

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witchcraft they do not care as long as it isn't

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that you're oppressing others or or something like that right

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so it's not like if you have like a particular

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type of tattoo artist that you like going to that

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you're running a big risk of them being the type

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of person who would screw with that energy okay.

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So for somebody who's wanting to go get a tattoo

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and they are planning on doing magic practice with it,

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what could someone do before the appointment to spiritually prepare

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themselves for a tattoo intended for that work?

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So I personally believe and one of those people who

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very much believes in meditation and very much believes in

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grounding and centering. I think the grounding and centering are

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pretty key to any sort of magical practice, including and

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especially practices that sometimes are jarring enough to get you

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out of it. Like the kind of pain that you

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get for a tattoo or like the anxiety that you

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get about getting about the pain associated with a tattoo.

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So I would absolutely always recommend to anybody that they

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do some grounding and centering. that always I've found has

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been most effective when paired with some like breath work beforehand.

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And if you want to, you can couple the breath

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work with some visualizations about purifying your body. As far

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as purifying like the area, which, you know, purification being

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a very big thing for setting up before rituals, I

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would avoid putting much on the tattoo area in particular

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because especially if there is any sort of risk that

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it will not be sanitary because your tattoo like needle

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is going to be going in and out of your skin.

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And if you have something that is unsanitary on there

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and it gets inside the wound, that's not very good.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So when I, I'm going to kind of step back

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again to, to the artist, um, You know, one thing

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that I find very prominent within magical works, especially when

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you're working with other people, is this idea of consent.

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Do you find that when you're doing a magical tattoo

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or doing spell work with it, as you're being tattooed,

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that you have to or feel like you should relay

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that information to the artist? Or is that something you

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just kind of keep into yourself and you don't share that?

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Or is it just really just preference?

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So, I mean, I personally am of the opinion that

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consent really matters. And I always will tell any tattoo

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artist I'm working with what I'm about to do. And

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I do recommend to my readers that they do that

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as well. Truth be told, a lot of the spell

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work that goes into the tattoo comes from you rather

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than the tattoo artist. So it's not necessarily like the

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energies that you're building necessarily. go into or quote unquote

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infect the tattoo artist. However, if I were a tattoo

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artist and I were to find out Or if I

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were meeting with somebody and talking to them and I

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found out later that they were doing some sort of

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spiritual practice that would have offended me and they were

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doing it without my knowledge, that would kind of piss

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me off. And if that would piss me off, then

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I don't want to do that to somebody else. Right, right.

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For sure. I think we all have different beliefs.

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And the last thing you really want to do is

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be pulled into someone else's belief unwillingly and without knowing. Um,

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cause that, I mean, that can cause a lot of

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trouble for that person too, especially if they have certain

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spiritual religious beliefs, uh, that they're trying, you know, they're

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trying to refrain from some of these other things. Um,

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so thank you for sharing that. That's, I find it

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seems simple, but it's, I find it incredible, like just how.

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how much people don't think that deep into it. Not

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that there's anything wrong with it, but especially when you're new.

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We have a lot of people who are new coming

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into magic. We see it really hitting mainstream on TikTok.

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And there's a lot of misinformation going around on top

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of that. I feel like something like that seems somewhat simple,

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but something that maybe a lot of people don't think

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about beforehand. How would I be affected if someone pushed

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their belief on me without letting me know it.

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And then you find out later. That can be troubling.

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I completely agree.

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come together. All right, everybody, welcome back. If you're just

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tuning in or just joining us now, we were talking

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with Jake Morningstar about tattoo magic.

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Now, one thing that we will touch, I think, a

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little bit on here, but I kind of want to

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get a little deeper into it. It's this idea of pain. Now,

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for some people, tattoos hurt incredibly much. For others, not

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at all. But for those who do tend to feel

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a significant amount of pain or even a little bit,51200:32:44.529 --> 00:32:50.410



how does one, really harness that pain as power? And51300:32:50.470 --> 00:32:52.339



is it something that you should be doing is harnessing51400:32:52.380 --> 00:32:54.279



that pain as power? Or is it something you try51500:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.259



to avoid and push out of mind, out of mind,51600:32:56.299 --> 00:32:57.720



out of sight, et cetera?51700:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.980



So I will say thank you for bringing this up51800:33:02.019 --> 00:33:04.460



because this was actually one of my favorite things that51900:33:04.500 --> 00:33:08.089



I wrote about in the book. The short answer is52000:33:08.109 --> 00:33:12.410



that you can use pain as power or you can't,52100:33:12.490 --> 00:33:16.309



whichever one is up to you. It's a completely optional thing.52200:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.589



But the thing is that pain does have power within it.52300:33:21.779 --> 00:33:27.680



There is a lot of literature out there that shows52400:33:27.980 --> 00:33:33.329



and documents that the feeling of pain, especially very intense pain,52500:33:34.049 --> 00:33:42.109



can lead to spiritual experiences. Like, for example, more painful pilgrimages.52600:33:43.450 --> 00:33:47.150



people will sometimes document that they will just stop feeling52700:33:47.190 --> 00:33:50.410



the pain. And instead of that pain, they'll feel this intense,52800:33:50.990 --> 00:33:54.299



overwhelming oneness with the deity that they are doing their52900:33:54.339 --> 00:34:01.039



pilgrimage for. So in my opinion, like that is just53000:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.700



more evidence that pain is not necessarily this thing that53100:34:05.740 --> 00:34:08.809



we need to be very afraid of, including and especially53200:34:08.849 --> 00:34:13.690



with tattoos. In fact, In their own way, they can53300:34:13.750 --> 00:34:18.489



be used for power. They can be used for raising energy.53400:34:18.550 --> 00:34:21.050



And in fact, I give a couple techniques for that53500:34:21.769 --> 00:34:27.030



in the book. I originally wrote that chapter partially because53600:34:27.090 --> 00:34:31.420



I found it to be fascinating, but partially because I'm53700:34:31.500 --> 00:34:34.340



sure that there will be at least one person who53800:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.699



picks up this book who does not have a tattooing.53900:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.219



and is worried about taking the plunge. And maybe there's54000:34:41.300 --> 00:34:44.280



at least one person who's doing that because they're worried54100:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.719



about the pain. And I get it. I have almost54200:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.760



no pain tolerance. I have no idea how I was54300:34:50.820 --> 00:34:54.960



able to make it through my blackout sleeve. I have54400:34:55.139 --> 00:34:57.099



no idea how I was able to do that because54500:34:57.179 --> 00:35:01.409



I have no pain tolerance whatsoever. So I completely get54600:35:01.449 --> 00:35:04.670



it if you're worried about the pain. But perhaps it's54700:35:04.730 --> 00:35:08.909



good to... reframe it and instead look at the pain54800:35:08.949 --> 00:35:12.699



isn't necessarily something to be afraid of it's something to54900:35:12.780 --> 00:35:19.639



be appreciated or something to be welcomed because it's not55000:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.239



necessarily a negative thing that being said if you don't55100:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.590



want to work with it for power you really don't.55200:35:25.429 --> 00:35:26.849



Have to okay.55300:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.780



Well, so a lot of emotion goes into getting a55400:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.760



tattoo and picking out a tattoo. You know, you have55500:35:34.780 --> 00:35:37.800



the fear of the pain, like you mentioned. You might55600:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.840



have grief depending on the meaning of the tattoo for yourself,55700:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.710



excitement that you are getting it. How does that go55800:35:45.789 --> 00:35:51.929



into being a part of working the magic as well? Like,55900:35:51.949 --> 00:35:56.110



should people be grounding themselves away from those emotions or56000:35:56.170 --> 00:35:56.650



embracing them?56100:35:58.309 --> 00:36:00.889



I think to a certain extent, it depends on how56200:36:01.239 --> 00:36:06.320



productive you find that emotion will be later. I think56300:36:06.460 --> 00:36:11.219



that grief can be a very powerful emotion for centering56400:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.820



a relationship between you and somebody who has passed on.56500:36:16.500 --> 00:36:20.400



So if you're getting, say, a memorial tattoo in order56600:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.940



to stay connected with that loved one after they've passed,56700:36:24.500 --> 00:36:28.550



and you view that grief as something that really cements56800:36:28.750 --> 00:36:32.650



your relationship with them, then that is a very powerful56900:36:32.710 --> 00:36:37.909



emotion to be using as that tattoo is being created. Now,57000:36:38.030 --> 00:36:41.989



if you find that grief to be grounding you, to57100:36:42.030 --> 00:36:48.079



be holding you back into the negative parts or negative experiences,57200:36:48.579 --> 00:36:52.239



when what you want to be fully conscious of and57300:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.230



fully experiencing is the positive things, the joy that you57400:36:56.309 --> 00:37:01.340



had in the memories, then perhaps don't use that. But57500:37:01.380 --> 00:37:03.619



I think that you bring up a very good point57600:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.280



that there's a lot of power in pain. There's also57700:37:06.300 --> 00:37:09.760



a lot of power in emotions. And there are a57800:37:09.900 --> 00:37:14.059



wide variety of emotions that go through you when you're57900:37:14.099 --> 00:37:17.679



getting a tattoo. And I think the extent to which58000:37:17.699 --> 00:37:20.900



you draw on any of them depends on the extent58100:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.989



to which you feel that they would be productive. Um,58200:37:25.289 --> 00:37:30.630



later on. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does.58300:37:32.179 --> 00:37:34.940



So now we talk about pain, we talk about emotion,58400:37:35.320 --> 00:37:39.000



but there are some people who describe entering kind of a, uh,58500:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.530



almost meditative or translate state during long tattoo sessions. What58600:37:45.650 --> 00:37:49.429



role could an altered state of consciousness actually play when58700:37:49.469 --> 00:37:51.309



we sit in a tattoo and doing tattoo magic?58800:37:52.469 --> 00:37:54.530



So I'm one of those people who believes that altered58900:37:54.550 --> 00:37:59.659



states of consciousness are pretty key, or rather I should59000:37:59.699 --> 00:38:04.400



say that altered states of consciousness facilitate magic happening. Let's,59100:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.440



let's call it that, but it's an altered state of59200:38:06.500 --> 00:38:09.820



consciousness that allows us to speak to that divine part59300:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.679



of ourselves that is able to, you know, pull the59400:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.760



threads of the tapestry of like reality that we, you know,59500:38:20.239 --> 00:38:27.699



live within. that those altered states of consciousness are like59600:38:27.820 --> 00:38:33.110



the ways to better facilitate that conversation. And so, yes,59700:38:33.469 --> 00:38:36.150



there are some people who will enter in the trance-like59800:38:36.349 --> 00:38:40.050



state during those. And I think if they are one59900:38:40.090 --> 00:38:43.510



of those people who tend to actually do that, then60000:38:43.630 --> 00:38:46.800



that is something that I am incredibly jealous of because60100:38:46.860 --> 00:38:49.320



I was never able to do that. I was never60200:38:49.460 --> 00:38:52.760



able to zone out like that during tattoo work. But60300:38:53.219 --> 00:38:56.340



if they know that they usually tend to do this,60400:38:57.559 --> 00:39:03.760



then definitely 100% wait until you know that you're about60500:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.880



to enter that state, if you think that you are,60600:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.119



and start working your magic then.60700:39:09.219 --> 00:39:09.480



Okay.60800:39:10.940 --> 00:39:15.039



And it's funny because my wife does, not necessarily goes60900:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.159



into a trance, but like I mentioned earlier, disassociates, especially61000:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.659



for a very intense tattoo. Like, for example, the Krampus61100:39:24.699 --> 00:39:27.159



tattoo I have on my arm, she got on her61200:39:27.349 --> 00:39:30.860



calf or her thigh. and it was in a very61300:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.719



sensitive spot. So she went to her what we'll call61400:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.059



happy place. Is there a difference between going into a61500:39:37.099 --> 00:39:39.460



trance and disassociation?61600:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.030



I mean, it depends on what the thing that is61700:39:44.090 --> 00:39:49.170



taking over at the time is doing. If you're dissociating,61800:39:49.389 --> 00:39:53.849



then the part of you that is like consciously working61900:39:53.929 --> 00:39:59.449



magic is no longer there and is no longer present62000:39:59.610 --> 00:40:06.949



for the sensation. It is elsewhere, which I mean, hey,62100:40:07.699 --> 00:40:10.760



if you're one of those people who gets who dissociates62200:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.639



in order to get away from pain, but for whatever reason. No,62300:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.019



you know what? I'll take that back. What I was62400:40:17.059 --> 00:40:20.679



about to say. which is entering a trance and dissociation,62500:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.880



I think would be two different things in that entering62600:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.969



a trance is an altered state of consciousness in which62700:40:25.010 --> 00:40:27.909



you are better able to communicate with that part of62800:40:28.010 --> 00:40:31.510



our divine selves. Whereas, and it might be that other62900:40:31.550 --> 00:40:36.789



people view this to be differently, but in my understanding63000:40:36.829 --> 00:40:40.530



is a dissociation is less being in an altered state63100:40:40.550 --> 00:40:43.929



of consciousness where you still are somewhat aware of what's63200:40:43.969 --> 00:40:48.360



going on and have some like of a grasp versus63300:40:48.489 --> 00:40:58.789



deliberately leaving the space, literally leaving that part of waking consciousness.63400:40:59.989 --> 00:41:02.900



Does that make sense? I feel like I'm, I'm trying63500:41:02.940 --> 00:41:06.099



to describe the words, but I'm like, only things that63600:41:06.139 --> 00:41:07.880



are getting me about 90% of the way there.63700:41:08.460 --> 00:41:08.699



Yeah.63800:41:08.739 --> 00:41:12.800



So just association, basically you're, you're bringing yourself to another63900:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.550



place in your mind and, and there's no intention behind it.64000:41:16.619 --> 00:41:19.260



You're just trying to get away from the pain. We're64100:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.159



going into a trance, like say you might already have64200:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.789



those intentions in place. And if you're in that altered state,64300:41:26.429 --> 00:41:29.809



it kind of creates more of a way to bring64400:41:29.829 --> 00:41:31.690



that intention to fruition.64500:41:32.070 --> 00:41:36.010



Right. Yeah. Yeah. Also, like if you're trying, if you're64600:41:36.050 --> 00:41:38.369



viewing dissociation as like, I'm closing my eyes and I'm64700:41:38.389 --> 00:41:40.929



trying to go into my happy place, all of your64800:41:41.010 --> 00:41:43.730



energy is now being spent on you going to your64900:41:43.769 --> 00:41:44.429



happy place.65000:41:44.510 --> 00:41:44.730



Okay.65100:41:45.909 --> 00:41:49.449



If you're dissociating in like the Sybil kind of like65200:41:49.489 --> 00:41:53.340



dissociative identity disorder, then it's really the identity that takes65300:41:53.500 --> 00:41:56.960



over during the magic. And if you don't know like65400:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.119



your identities, if you have DID and you don't know65500:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.909



your identities very well, your alters, then I mean, that65600:42:06.929 --> 00:42:08.650



might not be the best thing. Right.65700:42:09.030 --> 00:42:12.510



I catch it. It says it really, in simplest terms,65800:42:12.829 --> 00:42:17.050



it really comes down to either running or accepting. And65900:42:17.090 --> 00:42:19.349



if you're constantly trying to avoid the pain, you're simply66000:42:19.550 --> 00:42:23.670



running from the intention, the magic, the pain itself. It66100:42:24.050 --> 00:42:27.989



completely shifts your mindset. Whereas accepting it and allowing your66200:42:28.139 --> 00:42:33.420



consciousness to just be and let free while the pain happens, well,66300:42:33.460 --> 00:42:36.889



now you're absorbing that energy. You're putting new energy into it.66400:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.500



And in a way, you're strengthening that magical spell because66500:42:41.539 --> 00:42:44.380



of it, because you're just fully, full acceptance of it.66600:42:45.210 --> 00:42:49.019



Totally agree. I mean, we can still agree that the66700:42:49.059 --> 00:42:53.300



pain sucks. Oh, yeah. Totally agree that the pain sucks.66800:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.880



And to be fair, there are ways of making the66900:42:56.920 --> 00:43:01.679



tattoo feel less painful. For example, obviously when the needle67000:43:01.739 --> 00:43:04.769



goes in you, it's not vibrating against your skin, but67100:43:04.789 --> 00:43:07.130



it goes in and out of your skin so quickly67200:43:07.190 --> 00:43:10.530



that it feels like a vibration. I've actually felt that67300:43:11.170 --> 00:43:16.269



if you focus on the vibrating part sensation, the pain67400:43:16.349 --> 00:43:21.869



dulls and focusing on vibration is in a way kind67500:43:21.909 --> 00:43:26.409



of poetic. When you think about people who have the67600:43:26.449 --> 00:43:31.110



philosophy that magic is changing your vibration in order to67700:43:31.190 --> 00:43:34.230



match what it is that you want. So then focusing67800:43:34.489 --> 00:43:40.550



on the vibrate vibratory sensation becomes a really powerful way67900:43:40.690 --> 00:43:45.099



to raise energy. While also, you know, just so happens68000:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.619



to dull down the pain. That does not mean, though,68100:43:47.659 --> 00:43:50.650



to your point, that you're running from the pain. You're68200:43:50.670 --> 00:43:56.730



still accepting it as it comes in. You're 100% still68300:43:56.809 --> 00:43:59.469



accepting it as it comes in. You don't necessarily need68400:43:59.510 --> 00:44:01.960



to raise energy with the pain, though.68500:44:02.539 --> 00:44:03.079



Okay.68600:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.800



So, we've talked about what we should do prior to68700:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.699



getting a tattoo if you're going to do tattoo magic.68800:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.920



It's setting the intention, getting the design right. We've talked68900:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.929



about the process of getting the tattoo and where we69000:44:17.969 --> 00:44:21.210



should be mentally when the art is being done and69100:44:21.269 --> 00:44:23.610



when it's being inked into our skin. But let's talk69200:44:23.650 --> 00:44:26.650



a little bit about after the tattoo because I think69300:44:26.690 --> 00:44:28.849



a lot of people might just think, oh, I go in,69400:44:28.909 --> 00:44:31.550



get the tattoo, get it done, boom, done, that's it.69500:44:32.429 --> 00:44:37.179



But my question is, after the tattoo is finished, does69600:44:37.219 --> 00:44:40.579



the healing process itself have any sort of spiritual or69700:44:40.619 --> 00:44:43.829



ritual significance as well? Or is it something that's just,69800:44:44.789 --> 00:44:47.429



it just doesn't matter. It's just no point to, to,69900:44:47.489 --> 00:44:49.190



to focusing in on the healing aspect.70000:44:50.869 --> 00:44:53.469



Um, so it's a very good question. And I have70100:44:53.510 --> 00:44:55.110



to say that you guys have brought up a couple70200:44:55.130 --> 00:44:57.110



of things here where I'm like, damn, if I wrote70300:44:57.139 --> 00:45:01.789



a sequel, this would be really, um, I do not70400:45:01.869 --> 00:45:04.659



fully remember and keep in mind that some parts of70500:45:04.739 --> 00:45:08.820



like this book I wrote a long time ago. But70600:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.880



I don't I never don't remember writing that much about70700:45:13.940 --> 00:45:17.300



the healing process. I think that any sort of healing70800:45:17.500 --> 00:45:24.670



process can be viewed symbolically as like this beautiful bringing70900:45:24.769 --> 00:45:30.139



together or settling of something in into your life. And71000:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.500



I think that if you wanted to, and I'm sure71100:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.719



any either of you or any of your listeners, if71200:45:38.780 --> 00:45:41.440



they put like half a thought to it could come71300:45:41.460 --> 00:45:45.889



up with several different rituals for that. I could totally71400:45:46.010 --> 00:45:48.969



do that. And I think that it is a very charged,71500:45:49.530 --> 00:45:54.400



symbolic time and to a certain extent, spiritual time. Um,71600:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.579



if you view your energy body in this way, it71700:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.900



is kind of rebuilding itself, just like your body is71800:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.530



rebuilding it. No reconstituting itself. Um, but do I have71900:46:06.590 --> 00:46:11.230



any advice on rituals for that? Not at the moment. Okay.72000:46:13.530 --> 00:46:16.130



So I have no doubt that a lot of our72100:46:16.170 --> 00:46:22.860



listeners do already have tattoos. Um, How can someone begin72200:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.900



working spiritually or magically with pre-existing tattoos?72300:46:29.409 --> 00:46:36.429



So I go over several different ways in a couple72400:46:36.449 --> 00:46:40.989



different chapters. I will say that it's not even just72500:46:41.070 --> 00:46:45.250



limited to magic. If you were to have a memorial tattoo,72600:46:45.710 --> 00:46:49.690



you can use that memorial tattoo for ancestor work. If72700:46:49.710 --> 00:46:52.849



you have a tattoo of a deity, you can use72800:46:52.889 --> 00:46:56.750



that for devotionals. But in terms of magic, perhaps the72900:46:56.889 --> 00:47:01.510



easiest way to activate it is just through touch. And73000:47:01.550 --> 00:47:05.010



I don't think that you need to put in as73100:47:05.210 --> 00:47:11.570



much effort into tattoo magic with tattoos that are already healed,73200:47:11.590 --> 00:47:19.570



especially tattoos that have healed a long time ago. Because... Tattoos,73300:47:19.829 --> 00:47:25.409



in my opinion, are batteries of energy. Anything that goes73400:47:25.550 --> 00:47:30.820



through your tattoo already has certain meanings, has its own73500:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.119



lens through which the world around us is filtered. And73600:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.519



the energy that goes through that tattoo area is filtered73700:47:40.659 --> 00:47:43.500



in that same way. So any of the energy that73800:47:43.559 --> 00:47:49.030



resides in or around your tattoo is is already being73900:47:49.190 --> 00:47:55.989



filtered with that intention. So all that really is left74000:47:56.710 --> 00:47:58.090



is to activate it.74100:47:59.159 --> 00:47:59.409



Okay.74200:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.519



And one of the ways that you can do that74300:48:01.840 --> 00:48:08.960



is with touch, like lightly circling the tattoo with your fingertip,74400:48:10.019 --> 00:48:14.630



for example, while you visualize your outcome or just look74500:48:14.650 --> 00:48:16.610



at the tattoo as long as like, you know, you can,74600:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.559



get what the intention is by looking directly at the tattoo.74700:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.659



And just doing that repeatedly, rhythmically, until you feel that74800:48:29.119 --> 00:48:34.610



click that is, oh, nope, it's happened. The energies have peaked.74900:48:35.289 --> 00:48:38.030



You can also, and I've always found that it's easier75000:48:38.110 --> 00:48:40.989



for me to couple that with chanting, but that's because75100:48:41.170 --> 00:48:44.349



when you chant, when I chant at least, I find75200:48:44.389 --> 00:48:47.320



that as the energies pick up, my pace picks up.75300:48:47.949 --> 00:48:51.130



And so that's a way for me to very easily75400:48:51.300 --> 00:48:57.480



tell when I have raised enough energy. Okay.75500:48:57.500 --> 00:49:02.460



So now, when it comes to people who practice magic75600:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.730



or who are spiritual, we tend to look a lot75700:49:05.789 --> 00:49:09.210



into signs, symbolism. And I'm not just talking about like75800:49:09.590 --> 00:49:13.889



physical symbols, but like symbolism is in certain things happening. Like, oh,75900:49:14.889 --> 00:49:18.500



that's interesting. Maybe I should rethink what I'm doing you76000:49:18.539 --> 00:49:22.699



know for example so and this again this is a76100:49:22.739 --> 00:49:24.699



rare instance but I do know a couple of people76200:49:24.739 --> 00:49:26.420



which this has happened to now mind you they were76300:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.420



just getting tattoos that wasn't magical or anything but let's76400:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.739



say that you have I suppose it's more of an76500:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.309



opinion because I'm sure it depends on the individual and76600:49:37.349 --> 00:49:41.630



their practice but let's say you have a tattoo that76700:49:41.650 --> 00:49:42.349



you're getting inked.76800:49:43.889 --> 00:49:46.670



You have the intention set. The spell is ready. The76900:49:46.809 --> 00:49:48.610



ink is done. You get it all done. It's all set.77000:49:48.650 --> 00:49:49.829



And now you're in the healing process.77100:49:50.389 --> 00:49:54.119



But all of a sudden, your body rejects the ink.77200:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.360



And you end up with a problem. Because it's like,77300:49:58.659 --> 00:49:59.400



is this a sign?77400:49:59.500 --> 00:50:03.119



Is your body telling you that this magical spell shouldn't77500:50:03.179 --> 00:50:05.920



be done or isn't going to take? What do you77600:50:06.820 --> 00:50:08.769



do with that? Or do you just kind of push77700:50:08.789 --> 00:50:11.210



to be like, oh, well, my body just happened to77800:50:11.250 --> 00:50:13.429



reject it. There is no meaning behind it. We'll just77900:50:13.469 --> 00:50:15.610



try it again and see what happens.78000:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.739



Well, I think that belief is a very powerful thing,78100:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.179



extremely powerful thing. And I think it kind of goes78200:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.250



back to a question that you asked me that was78300:50:28.289 --> 00:50:32.250



somewhat similar a little bit earlier. And that part of78400:50:32.530 --> 00:50:35.630



if you have something and you get worried is like78500:50:35.889 --> 00:50:39.139



sitting down and thinking with yourself, is what I am78600:50:39.179 --> 00:50:46.409



worried about truly grounded? Like if that panther is looking78700:50:46.469 --> 00:50:49.429



to the right instead of looking to the left, does78800:50:49.510 --> 00:50:54.380



that matter? If you end up finding whether or not78900:50:54.400 --> 00:50:59.760



it matters that you still are anxious, you can always79000:50:59.840 --> 00:51:04.300



just undo the magic. If you find that it does matter,79100:51:04.510 --> 00:51:08.030



then you can always undo the magic. I mean, yeah,79200:51:08.150 --> 00:51:10.570



if you had gotten the tattoo purely to be a spell,79300:51:10.590 --> 00:51:12.840



that might be a bit of a disappointment and some79400:51:12.889 --> 00:51:16.019



like a decent amount of money lost. This is one79500:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.159



of the reasons why I originally like focused on healed79600:51:19.219 --> 00:51:22.119



tattoos rather than tattoos in the studio.79700:51:22.139 --> 00:51:24.199



Right.79800:51:24.860 --> 00:51:29.789



But ultimately, it's if your body rejects it and and79900:51:29.909 --> 00:51:34.489



I should know this answer better. But my best knowledge80000:51:34.510 --> 00:51:38.820



is that tends to happen very quickly. afterward so you80100:51:38.900 --> 00:51:42.099



have more than enough time and please don't quote me80200:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.599



on that I'm sure that I may have like accidentally80300:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.940



put my foot in my mouth about this I'm not80400:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.860



a tattoo artist so if I got that wrong whoever80500:51:50.940 --> 00:51:58.070



notices that please don't judge me for it but my80600:51:58.130 --> 00:52:01.269



knowledge is that that usually happens very quickly if it's80700:52:01.289 --> 00:52:03.530



something that you're like oh this is a bad sign80800:52:03.789 --> 00:52:07.769



you have more than enough time to just clear it.80900:52:08.170 --> 00:52:09.230



Okay. Yeah.81000:52:10.510 --> 00:52:13.960



So there's going to be those cynics or skeptics out81100:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.960



there that might argue that tattoo magic is simply assigning81200:52:18.000 --> 00:52:22.179



additional meaning to something that's already psychologically significant.81300:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.820



How would you respond to that? I mean, it depends81400:52:26.889 --> 00:52:29.429



on whether the spell that you're doing is for something81500:52:29.449 --> 00:52:32.750



that's internal or external is the first thing that I81600:52:32.769 --> 00:52:35.949



would say. And the second thing I would say is81700:52:36.030 --> 00:52:42.039



that the psychological significance might be what gives it its power.81800:52:43.360 --> 00:52:50.570



So I don't think that those are necessarily like separable. Also,81900:52:50.710 --> 00:52:54.010



I'm one of those people who firmly believes that magic82000:52:54.090 --> 00:52:59.969



and science are spiritual explanations and quote unquote scientific scientific explanations,82100:53:01.260 --> 00:53:04.780



whether they are genuinely scientific or just like science sounding.82200:53:06.110 --> 00:53:13.280



are not mutually exclusive. To give an example, let's say82300:53:13.280 --> 00:53:18.960



20 years from now, scientists from Harvard say that they've82400:53:19.079 --> 00:53:23.420



finished a 20-year-long study and they found that our neurons82500:53:23.460 --> 00:53:26.989



are not the only things that guide our behavior in82600:53:27.050 --> 00:53:31.750



our brain. As we understand it, there's also quantum information82700:53:31.789 --> 00:53:34.570



that's housed inside of each of our neurons. And that82800:53:34.650 --> 00:53:38.429



quantum information contributes to how we see the world and82900:53:38.489 --> 00:53:43.800



how we act, etc. Furthermore, they found that once we die,83000:53:43.820 --> 00:53:49.579



that that quantum information sticks around for a while, doesn't83100:53:49.699 --> 00:53:53.679



stop functioning when the neurons stop functioning, and just goes83200:53:53.820 --> 00:53:58.260



off into some sort of parallel dimension that we've also discovered.83300:53:58.420 --> 00:54:00.940



And you'd have a lot of people who'd say, oh, well,83400:54:00.980 --> 00:54:03.239



isn't that interesting? We have quantum information in our brain.83500:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.530



And there'd be just as many people who would say, congratulations,83600:54:07.570 --> 00:54:13.710



you've discovered the soul. You've discovered the afterlife. Like parallel dimension.83700:54:14.150 --> 00:54:18.349



That doesn't mean that either explanation is wrong.83800:54:19.110 --> 00:54:19.409



Right.83900:54:20.449 --> 00:54:23.340



In fact, they both can be right. They're just different84000:54:23.400 --> 00:54:29.800



ways of looking at it. Right, right. So to make84100:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.909



a long story short, or rather not, I think that84200:54:33.929 --> 00:54:38.869



the psychological significance is something that gives it its power.84300:54:39.030 --> 00:54:41.889



And so I think that any cynic who says that, oh, well,84400:54:41.949 --> 00:54:49.519



it's already psychologically insightful should be told that that doesn't84500:54:49.659 --> 00:54:51.420



mean that it isn't magical.84600:54:52.099 --> 00:54:52.280



Right.84700:54:52.500 --> 00:54:52.860



All right.84800:54:54.739 --> 00:54:58.800



Well, Jake, we are unfortunately at the end of the84900:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.179



show here. So what we'd like to do is just85000:55:01.219 --> 00:55:03.559



give you the opportunity here to tell everyone where they85100:55:03.579 --> 00:55:05.559



can find you, where they can find your work, and85200:55:05.579 --> 00:55:07.980



of course share anything else you'd like to share with85300:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.159



our listeners.85400:55:10.860 --> 00:55:17.090



Yeah, so I can be found on TikTok or Instagram,85500:55:17.130 --> 00:55:22.309



though to be honest, I'm never on TikTok. At that85600:55:22.630 --> 00:55:28.900



underscore Morningstar underscore witch. Um, my book can be found85700:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.500



where are all books are sold. And if you read85800:55:32.539 --> 00:55:35.880



my book and you like my book, then please feel85900:55:35.920 --> 00:55:40.179



free to take a little bit of time to message86000:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.289



me on social media and let me know how you,86100:55:43.510 --> 00:55:44.369



what you liked about it.86200:55:44.369 --> 00:55:48.639



All right. Well, thank you Jake so much for joining us.86300:55:48.650 --> 00:55:50.469



It's been a pleasure chatting with you about this.86400:55:50.889 --> 00:55:51.449



It has been.86500:55:53.369 --> 00:55:57.170



Hi, everybody. So we asked our Paratruther community, can a86600:55:57.210 --> 00:56:01.670



tattoo carry spiritual or magical power? Well, 57% of you86700:56:01.730 --> 00:56:06.559



said yes. Intention can give it power. 14% said possibly.86800:56:07.059 --> 00:56:12.699



Some symbols seem stronger than others. 14% said it's psychological,86900:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.980



but that still makes it powerful. And 1%, of course,87000:56:16.139 --> 00:56:16.840



said no.87100:56:17.110 --> 00:56:18.690



There's always that 1%.87200:56:18.690 --> 00:56:26.849



So it's meaningful art. but nothing supernatural. And 14% said87300:56:27.170 --> 00:56:30.909



that tattooing is a blood ritual that binds you to87400:56:30.969 --> 00:56:34.579



what you are invoking through said ritual. So of course,87500:56:35.260 --> 00:56:38.039



tell us after listening to this episode, whether or not87600:56:38.099 --> 00:56:41.760



your opinion has changed about tattoo magic. If you're enjoying87700:56:41.780 --> 00:56:45.159



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