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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, we're gonna be talking to
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John J. Davis about his near death experience.
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Welcome, Well, do Parry truth true?
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What's going on Paratruthers? Welcome to another episode of Paratruth Reborn.
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My name is Justin. Hey, I'm Eric, and tonight's conversation
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deals with one of the greatest mysteries any of us
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will ever face, what happens when we die. We'll explore
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what John J. Davis remembers, how the experts transformed his faith,
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and why he now believes there is such thing as
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life after death. John. Welcome to Paratruth be Born.
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Hey, guys, it's so great to be here. Thank you
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so much for inviting me. I love your I love
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your introduction. That's that's fantastic.
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Thank you. Really cool. Well, before we get into the
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nick gritty of all that, give us a little bit
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of background, like your childhood, your family upbringing in San Jose.
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Sure, yeah, yeah, the whole story started back in nineteen
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eighty seven. And what happened back then is I was
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raised Catholic. My dad was very Catholic with his upbringing,
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and he would sometimes take my sister or me to
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church sometimes two or three times a week, and then
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also on Sundays. So that's how I was raised to
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believe in Catholicism. And part of their theology is they
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don't talk about what is like in heaven or the
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other side or the afterlife. We don't really I was
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raised to never really know what happens when we die,
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and it was something that I was always terrified of.
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And I remember when I was eleven years old, my
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great grandmother passed, and this was back in the early seventies,
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and we used to they would walk people up past
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the casket to say your final goodbyes, and I remember
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when it was my turn to walk up and see her.
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I just remember looking at her and thinking that everything
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that she was, her sense of humor, the things that
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she loved, her goals, all the things that she loved
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about her life that can't just be gone. It never
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made any sense to me, and Catholicism didn't really help
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answer any of those questions that I had growing up.
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And it was only after my end that I realized
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that so many of the things that I was taught,
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I had to unlearn them because they weren't true and
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that's kind of how my whole story started.
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Okay, Well, now, growing up then, prior to your accident, specifically,
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even in your adulthood, had you ever really questioned your beliefs,
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like your Catholic beliefs.
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Not really, That's all I ever knew. I just I
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just remember going to church and it was so interesting
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because when I was a kid, a lot of times
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the priests talked in Latin, so I never really knew
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what they were even saying. I just remember the coolest
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part was we would walk up to communion and they
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will put that wayfer on your tongue.
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Do you remember that? Do that?
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I thought that was the coolest thing. I just thought
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that was cool. But I never really understood how limiting
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in terms of what they really knew about what happens
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when we die and what it's like over there and
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the whole purpose of life on this planet.
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Now, you mentioned being afraid of death. What was Why
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were you afraid of death? Was it just that fact
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that you would no longer be whve Was it like
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I was?
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I was mostly afraid of the idea of hell, of
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being sent to a place that my parents weren't going
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to be there. I would be there by myself. And
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it was just that fear of not living your life
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correctly in such a way that when the judgment came
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that you would make it to heaven. I just I
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never really got an idea or a sense for how
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somebody made it to heaven. It just never really, it
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never really was explained to me, and it was something
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I was always concerned about as a kid, especially when
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my grandparents passed, my great grandmother, and you grow up
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seeing people pass and you just don't really know what
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happens right now.
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I completely agree with you. I grew up with the
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Roman Catholic Church, and for me, it was like constantly
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you got to do.
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Good, gotta do good, gotta do good.
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And it's like, at what point is you know is
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good enough? Because it's you know, living through life. It
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doesn't always feel like you're doing very good, you know exactly,
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so that it's totally confusing. And I've been in the
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same place after a loved one passing away. It's like,
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how do we know? You know, Catholic Church, whoever, what
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pastor will come up and you know, they'll talk about
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like talk about the life and heaven, and this is
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like how do we know? How do we know that's
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where going? You know, it's like exactly, it's it's very confusing.
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So it makes sense that you would have that confusion too.
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And I think a lot of people who grew up
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with the Catholic Church I have actually been through something.
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Similar mm hm oh yeah, yeah.
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I'm finitely growing up in the church as a whole. Though,
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whether it doesn't matter what denomination are, they don't ever
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really tell you, Like John just mentioned, what is Heaven
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and Hell? Why do you go there? For whatever reason?
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I mean, they explain it in sin and stuff like that,
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but not an extensive detail basically. Yeah, I agree.
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I think in many cases it's like you have two
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sides of the spectrum. In one sense, it's all gloom
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and doom, right, if you don't do this, then you're
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going to perish, hell, hell, hell, death, et cetera. And
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on the flip side, there's other churches that are just
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don't talk about it at all. It's just this is
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life today. Let's not think about death, let's not think
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about what happens afterward. Let's just focus on now, which
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I think is probably better than the gloom and doom,
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but even still you know a lot of people have
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questions and they fear asking those questions for whatever number
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of reasons. Yeah, Now, what do you John remember about
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the moped incident?
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Oh, I remember the whole thing.
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I was out on.
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The whole story start with my dad. Really, my dad
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was in sales his whole career and one year he
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won a sales contest and part of what he won
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were these two mopeds what we would call scooters now,
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and we used to ride these things all over the neighborhood,
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especially on the weekends. Well, I was out riding one
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time and I had an accident and I slammed into
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a tree and the way that I landed, I tore
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the tendons off my right hand and I needed to
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go in for surgery to have them reattached. Well, when
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all of this happened, I was only twenty one and
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I had never had surgery before. I don't think I
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never even spent much time in a hospital. So the
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day of the surgery and my mom drives me down
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to the hospital or the clinic, and that's how the
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whole thing started. It started with the accident with tearing
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the tendons off my hand.
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So I mean obviously pretty severe injury, but not anything
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life threatening pursue going into surgery. Did anything feel unusual
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or different to you or weird, like when they were
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doing the anesthesia, anything like that.
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Well, what happened is I had some kind of I
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guess it was explained to me it was some kind
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of an allergic reaction that I would They willed be
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into the room, the operating room. I just remember it
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being white with stainless steel, and there was like three
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or four people in this room. And when they started
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to prep me, I could feel the anesthesia. It was
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I could feel it going through my arm, and as
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soon as it got to my heart, I just I
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was it.
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I was gone.
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And the very next second I opened my eyes. And
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that's when this whole journey took place. Should I just
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start at the beginning and tell you kind of how
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it went? Sure, Okay, So here's what happened. I could
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feel my eyes closed after the anesthesia, and it felt
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like the very next second I woke up. I opened
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up my eyes and I was standing in the most
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beautiful building I have ever seen. I've never even seen
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anything to this day that looked like this building. It
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was white, beautiful polished marble. It was this long, long building.
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It was so long I couldn't see the end of it,
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all beautiful white marble. When I looked to my right,
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there were all these marble columns about twenty or thirty
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feet high, going all the way down as far as
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you could see, about six feet apart from EA each
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one of these were these columns. In the middle of
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this building were these tables about the size of someone's
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average kitchen table, and they were all white marble, again,
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going all the way down as far as you could see,
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and there were two people sitting at every one of
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these tables. Well right about then in my left ear,
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I hear my name is Alan, I'm your spirit guide.
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I had never heard that term before. I didn't know
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what a spirit guide was. And back in nineteen eighty
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seven when this all happened, there was no talk about NDEs,
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the near death experience that wasn't even invented yet, so
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I didn't know anything that was going on. I was
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just watching and observing everything that was happening. So I
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looked to my left. When I looked to my left,
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there was a beautiful white marble wall, and it had
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it looked like doorways had been cut out of solid
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marble like tunnels all the way down as far as
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you could see. And I want to back up a
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second to let your listeners know something that kind of
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makes my experience so unique is a lot of times
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when we hear about someone who has a near death experience,
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they have an incident like I had in a hospital
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or there was some kind of an accident, and they
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die and they find themselves floating above their bodies, and
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then they become aware of a tunnel and they start
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moving down this tunnel, and at the end of the
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tunnel there's a white light. But before they get there,
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they're met by somebody, a loved one, a friend of
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family member, someone who tells them it's not their time,
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have to go back. So we have never known what
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is on the other side of that white light, well
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what they did with me, and I still don't know
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how they how they did this, But my whole experience
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started on the other side of the white light. So
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when we pass here on earth, when our souls leave
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our body, we go down this tunnel, and when we
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go into the light, we end up in that building
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that I was standing in and my guide, Alan told
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me that's the Orientation Center. And apparently every single one
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of us has a guide who helps us plan our lifetime,
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and that guide is with us for our entire lifetime.
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So that's who this this Alan, he was my guide
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who took me on this journey of the afterlife. So
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he told me to look up at this next tunnel.
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I gotta get some water one second. So he tells
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me to look at this tunnel and I look up
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and there's a man coming through this tunnel. He was
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an elderly gentleman, probably in his nineties. He lived a
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long life. He had just passed, and he was doing this.
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He had his hand over his chest like he had pain.
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And my guide, Alan said, he just passed from a
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heart attack. So remember the two people that I told
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you were sitting at every one of those tables, Alan
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told me. He said, they are called orientation counselors. And
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what they do is they welcome people back from a
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lifetime when they come back home or to the other
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side or heaven or the afterlife, whatever you want to
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call it. That's our home in the The reason that
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they're there is because almost every single one of us
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when we come into a lifetime here on Earth. We
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don't bring our memories with us about the other side,
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or about God or the afterlife, or where we're from.
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And on Earth, the number one fear of humanity is
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the fear of death. People are terrified, they don't know
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what's going to happen. And so these counselors they help
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people remember where they're from. So he's standing, this gentleman
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is standing right on the other side of this tunnel,
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and there was a woman, one of these counselors, who
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was sitting the closest to him. She stood up, she
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walked over to this gentleman. She took his hands in hers,
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and she led him back to the table and they
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sat down across from each other, and she held his
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hands the entire time. Well, then she started talking to him,
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and I was too far away. I couldn't hear what
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she was telling this man. But Alan told me. He said,
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what they're doing is they tell people that they just
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finished a lifetime on Earth. They just passed from whatever circumstance.
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This gentleman passed from a heart attack, and that he's
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back home now. And my guide Alan told me, he said,
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watch him. So I started watching him, and guys, the
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craziest things started to happen. He began to change from
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an elderly man into a young man in his thirties,
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in his early thirties, and Alan told me, he said,
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that's how we were all created. So apparently, when we're
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on the other side, all of us are in our
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early thirties. And I didn't think to ask why why
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is that? Because this whole journey that he took me on,
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I didn't even know that I had died. I think
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if I had known that, I would have asked a
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lot of questions. But I didn't even think to ask that.
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So he turns into a young man. He stands up,
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he walks off to the right, he walks between some
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of these columns, and he walks down three steps into
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what I call were the gardens. I don't know if
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that's what the other side calls this, but he walked
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into the most beautiful, perfect gardens you could ever imagine,
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beautiful trees, emerald, green, grass and flowers. And there were
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all these people that were there. There must have been
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one hundred and fifty or two hundred people that were there.
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In my guide, Alan said, once they come into the
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orientation center and they have their orientation and they remember
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where they're from. They go to the garden and it's
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called the Reunion. And all the people that were there
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this gentleman had known in his lifetime, and all these
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people had passed before him. His parents, grandparents, family members, friends,
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everybody that he knew in his life was there to
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greet him. And it was like a big party. Everybody
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was applauding. They were hugging this man, telling him what
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a great job he had done. And Alan said to me,
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he said, the reunion is a big deal because he said,
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many many of us don't want to come to Earth
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because it is so hard here. Every single one of us.
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Nobody gets off this planet without scars. Everybody has tough times.
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And he said that on the other side, it is
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such a big deal for anybody to come to a
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place like Earth, because you really do have to be
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a warrior. You have to be a fighter to come here.
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And so all these people were welcoming him home, and
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every single one of us will have that same experience
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when our time comes, when our lifetime is finished, we
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also will go down that tunnel. We'll go into the
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light and we end up in the orientation center. And guys,
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here's the weirdest thing. On those tables where these counselors
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do the counseling for when people come back from a life,
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none of those tables had any computers or any papers
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or files or anything. So I don't understand how did
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that lady know who was coming through? But she knew,
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she knew who he was, and he knew when he
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was coming through that tunnel. And something else that I
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didn't understand is somebody had to tell all those people
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that this gentleman is coming through. Because you know what
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I learned it was so fascinating, is on the other side,
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nobody just stands around all day. They're actually really busy.
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On the other side, people go to lectures, they take classes,
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they go to music festivals, they go hiking, they play sports,
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they read, they study, they paint. The people have their
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lives over there. And so I don't understand who tells
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these people when someone's coming through. The only thing that
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I can think of, it's some kind of a god thing.
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God knows when everybody's coming through and when and how
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they pass, because somebody tells all these orientation counselors who's
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coming through. So what happened is Alan took me to
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this all these different places on the other side. And
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what he did is he showed me the outside of
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these different places first, and then he took me to
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the inside. So after I watched this man have this
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reunion with everybody that he knew, he took me to
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a building that was so gigantic. There is nothing here
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on earth that is that large. It was this rectangle building.
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It was all white marble, huge rectangle, gigantic building, and
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all along the outside of the perimeter were these tall
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white marble columns. It was a beautiful building. So he
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takes me to the inside and we walk into what
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looked like a round room, this large round room, like
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a round theater, and above me, all in a circle
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where all these movie screens, just like what it looked
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like if you were to go to see a movie,
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but it was round, a perfectly round room. And Alan
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said to me, this is the life review. Then all
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of a sudden, every one of those movie screens lit
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up like a movie was playing, but it was me.
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There were movies about me during my lifetime. One screen
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had me as a little infant. Another screen was showing
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me as a toddler. Another screen showed me on my
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first day of kindergarten, and everybody has a life review,
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and Alan told me, he said, the life review is
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the greatest teacher of the soul, because what happens is
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when all of us have our life review, when we
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get back, you can actually feel how your actions affected
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other people. And one of the screens I looked at
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was playing like a movie of me. When I was
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in second or third grade, we were out at recess
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and there was a kid in our class. I think
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his name was Toby, and he had something wrong with
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his legs. He couldn't walk without crutches. He had either
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Parkinson's or MSS. He had something. We were out playing
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and he fell in the playground and I ran up
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to him and I helped pick him up. I helped
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put his crutches back on, just like any of us
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would do. It didn't seem like it was any kind
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of a big deal, But when I looked at that
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particular screen, I could feel how my actions affected Toby,
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and he was so appreciative that somebody actually stopped and
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helped him up. And I never thought a second about that,
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But on the other side. Those are the things that matter,
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the things that you do to help other people. At
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the same time, Alan explained to me that if you
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intentionally hurt somebody in your lifetime, you also have to
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feel how your actions impacted those people. So nobody gets
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away with anything here on earth because God knows everything.
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Everybody has to go through a life review, and everybody
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has to experience how their actions impacted other people. And
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Alan told me he said that was the life review.
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So the next thing that happened is we leave that building,
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we go to another one, and this one was also
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a large rectangular building, white marble, and guys, I don't
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know why some of these buildings looked like Greco Roman architecture.
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He never explained it to me. I don't know why
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that was, but I think it's because they're just beautiful buildings.
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And I only saw a very small part of what
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we would call the other side. I don't even know
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what it was called where I was, but it was
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really busy. There were a lot of people everywhere. And
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so this next building we go into and he walks
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me into what looked like what we would call today
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as a modern movie theater, and it had a big,
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large screen up in front of the room, and Alan
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said to me, he said, I'm going to show you
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three past lifetimes. Well, this was weird because, as you
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both know, in Catholicism, there is no belief of past lifetimes.
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There's only one life and that's the only chance you get.
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So this was really hard for me to comprehend. But
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he said, I'm going to show you the first lifetime,
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and all the lights go off in this theater and
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the screen lights up like a movie is playing. But
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the movie was about me. And I didn't look like
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myself like I look now, but I was an elderly gentleman.
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I had a shaved head, and I was wearing a
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red gown and I was in a monastery. And Alan
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told me, he said, in that lifetime, your job was
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to train children how to be monks in a monastery.
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And he said that lifetime occurred somewhere in Southeast Asia.
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And then that movie.
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Went off and he said, I'm going to show you
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a second lifetime. So the movie screen lights up and.
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It's me again.
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I don't look like I do now, but I just knew, okay,
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this was me, and I had a wooden wheelbarrow that
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I was pushing down a cobblestone street, and I had
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all of these shoes stacked inside this wheelbarrow. And Alan
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told me, he said, in that lifetime, you fixed people's shoes,
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and once they were fixed, you would push them back
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to their homes in this wheelbarrow. And he said that
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lifetime took place somewhere in eastern Europe. And then that
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screen disappeared, because I'm going to show you a third lifetime.
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So the screen lights up and again it's me and
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I'm standing in an old rickety boat, either on the
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ocean or a lake. I don't know which one it was,
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but I was standing up and I was doing this.
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I was pulling fishing nets into the boat, and part
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of my job in that lifetime was to catch fish
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for the village. And then that life disappeared, and he
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said that life occurred somewhere in the Middle East. And
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this was really hard for me to understand, and I
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think my guide Alan knew that. So he told me,
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he said, we have always been. When God created us
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eons ago, he gave us all kind of like spiritual DNA,
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and part of that DNA is that we love to
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learn He gave all of us the joy of learning
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and for eternity, for absolute eternity, we have the option
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to learn. And so God set up this plan that
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you can come into a lifetime on a planet to
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learn and to grow into experience. And what makes that
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unique is is on the other side when we're over there,
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that's where we spend most of our existence is actually
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on the other side, because we don't come into a
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lifetime life after life after life. We just come in
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here to a place like Earth when we want to
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learn something that we can't when we're on the other side.
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And after I had my end, I could not understand
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why would anybody ever leave a place like that and
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come to a place like Earth, Because on the other
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side there's no wars, there's no hunger, there's no disease,
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there's no poverty, there's no death, there's no aging. It's
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absolutely beautiful and perfect. It's a place that God created
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for all of us for eternity, and that's our home.
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Earth was never meant to be home. We're just meant
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to be here temporarily, and then when we've when we
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finish our lifetimes, we go back home again. Well, so
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I'm so he tells, he shows me that we can
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come into as many lifetimes as we want to. Some
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people come into have a lot of lives, other people
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not so much. It just depends how much you want
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to learn and to grow. And nobody, nobody forces us
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to come into a lifetime. It's up to each and
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every individual soul when they want to do that or not.
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So that's what I called the Past Life Building. I
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don't know if that's what they call it, but that's
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just what I called it. Yeah, So the next place
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he takes me to, this one was different. This building
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was again it was absolutely huge, but it was round.
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It was a perfectly round, beautiful white marble building, and
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it had a big dome on top, this big dome
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on top of this building, and all these marble columns
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all in a circle. And he said to me, Alan
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said to me, this is where we go when we
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plan a lifetime. And I wish I would have asked
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him why, but because I don't know why, we go
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to this building, but that's apparently where we go. So
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we walk in and he walks me up to this
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marble table and there was one thing sitting on this table,
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and it was a scroll and it looked like have
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you guys ever seen like Egyptian papyrus kind of paper?
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It looked like that. It was rolled up and there
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was a blue ribbon around this scroll. So I picked
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it up and I took the ribbon off and I
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did this. I laid it out on the table and
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the first thing that I noticed is it looked like
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black calligraphy kind of writing. And I don't know if
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you remember this, but when I was in elementary school,
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they had a class where we actually got to take
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the pen, dip it in the ink, and start writing calligraphy.
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That's kind of what this looked like. And Alan told me,
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he said, nobody's life here on earth is an accident.
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All of our lives we planned for. And he said
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that on these scrolls we all write down the major
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events of our lifetime, like what country are we going
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to be born into? What language are we going to learn?
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Who are our parents going to be Are we going
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to go to a university, What kind of careers are
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we going to pursue? Are we going to have kids?
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Are we going to get married? All of these things
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go into a life, and you.
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Know what it felt like.
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It felt like what a lot of us do at
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the end of every year. We write out New Year's resolutions.
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I want to stop smoking, I want to lose thirty pounds,
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I want to eat healthy. And that's kind of like
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what we do when we plan a lifetime. So I
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look down and I was going to try to read
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my chart, and it did this, It folded up and
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I wasn't able to read it. And I think the
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reason was because if I had known some of the
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things I had planned for myself, challenges or things I
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was going to go through, I may have done something
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to mess up that lesson. Yeah, exactly, alter something. So
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I looked over to my right and there was this huge,
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gigantic wall that was full of all these scrolls. And
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Alan told me, he said, back in nineteen eighty seven
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when this was happening, everybody on earth also has a
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corresponding scroll on this wall. And he said that when
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we finish our lifetime, we come back to this building
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and we get our scroll and we look at it
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to see how we did. Did we accomplish everything we
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wanted to accomplish in that lifetime? And so I looked
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over to my left and the left hand side of
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this build bild was this gigantic window.
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And this is the.
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First time that I actually saw a bunch of other people.
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And there was a walkway outside this building, and there
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were all these people walking back and forth. And you
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know what it looked like. It looked like if you
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went to a city, like a large city, at lunchtime
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00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.920
and you see all these people walking around. That's what
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it looked like. And everybody looks just like we do.
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Everybody over there has their own personality. They all have
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their own look, and everybody goes about their lives when
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they finished their lifetime here on Earth. Well, so I
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looked on the other side of this path, this walkway,
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and I saw something that I have never seen anything51200:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.920
as beautiful as this in my lifetime here on Earth.51300:35:00.199 --> 00:35:00.559
A lake.51400:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.280
On the other side of this walkway, there was a lake.51500:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.000
It was a beautiful round lake, and it was so51600:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.840
still it looked like glass. And I could see the51700:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.679
bottom of the lake, that's how clear it was. And51800:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.280
all around the circumference of this lake where these weeping51900:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.920
willow trees. Have you guys ever seen those? Yeah, they're52000:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.440
the ones where all the leaves branches come down like52100:35:27.480 --> 00:35:32.559
this and all the leaves were floating on the surface52200:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.840
of the lake, absolutely still, and Alan said to me,52300:35:38.880 --> 00:35:44.920
everything beautiful here on earth also exists on the other side.52400:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.199
And he said to me, everything you like to do52500:35:48.280 --> 00:35:53.199
here on earth, you can also do on the other side.52600:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.760
And it was it was just so extraordinary to see52700:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.000
all of the different people and that they looked just52800:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.960
like us. So before we leave the building with the52900:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.320
dome on it, he takes me to another area that53000:36:09.960 --> 00:36:15.360
looked like a library. It was huge, I mean a gigantic,53100:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.159
huge library, but all the books looked the same. Do53200:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.320
you remember when you were a kid, did you ever53300:36:23.320 --> 00:36:25.199
see Encyclopedia Britannicas.53400:36:25.599 --> 00:36:26.719
Yep, of course.53500:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.639
That's what these books looked like. They were all purple,53600:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.639
kind of maroon color. He walks me up to these53700:36:35.679 --> 00:36:40.360
books and I could see that every single book had53800:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.920
gold lettering on it, but the lettering didn't go horizontally.53900:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.480
The lettering went vertically.54000:36:47.800 --> 00:36:48.480
Up and down.54100:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.400
So he walks me up to this one book and54200:36:52.440 --> 00:36:56.199
he has me look at it and it said n54300:36:56.480 --> 00:37:02.519
I n A Nina. I had never heard that name before,54400:37:03.519 --> 00:37:08.239
but he said, Alan said to me, Nina is your soulmate.54500:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.559
Well again, back in nineteen eighty seven. I had never54600:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.880
heard that term before. I had no idea what that54700:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.880
even was. And he said to me that when God54800:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.000
created all of us, he created all of us with54900:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.960
a soulmate. We have a soulmate, and we are also55000:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.679
someone else's soulmate. It's the person that we have in55100:37:32.719 --> 00:37:38.159
our lives for all of eternity, and we all have one.55200:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.920
In these books, these Encyclopogica Britannic of books in this library,55300:37:43.719 --> 00:37:49.639
they contain everything about that soul. They contain all the55400:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.760
gifts that that soul was given. Because God created all55500:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.440
of us with different gifts. Some people like math, some55600:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.800
people like history, some people like architecture. I mean, we55700:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.079
all have different gifts, and these books explain all the55800:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.960
gifts that we were given. The books also explain everything55900:38:12.280 --> 00:38:17.880
that that soul has learned in their lifetimes. And that56000:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.440
was extraordinary because I didn't even know we had soulmates,56100:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.960
but we do. We all have soulmates. And I wish56200:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.239
that I would have asked alan does a soulmate come56300:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.480
into a lifetime with us? Because so many people ask me,56400:38:35.400 --> 00:38:39.039
I never found my soulmate, what's wrong with me? And56500:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.719
I think that the soulmate can come into a lifetime56600:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.880
with us. I just don't know how often that they do,56700:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.159
because the whole reason for coming to a place like56800:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.960
Earth is to learn and experience things that we can't56900:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.239
when we're on the other side. And when you come57000:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.519
into a lifetime I'm here. One of the ways that57100:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.679
we learned the most is through relationships. And if we57200:39:07.719 --> 00:39:11.039
had our perfect mate with us in our life, we57300:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.239
might not learn anything. But the one thing I want57400:39:14.280 --> 00:39:18.320
to tell your audience that I learned is that it57500:39:18.400 --> 00:39:23.239
doesn't matter if you never found your perfect mate in57600:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.719
this lifetime. It doesn't matter if you didn't get married,57700:39:26.840 --> 00:39:30.440
it doesn't matter if you didn't have kids. Not everybody57800:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.519
comes into a lifetime to experience that. People come here57900:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.760
for all kinds of different reasons, and there are probably58000:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.960
as many reasons to come here as there are people58100:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.119
on the planet. Some people come in to work on58200:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.679
a particular skill. Other people come here to work in58300:39:50.719 --> 00:39:56.000
a particular profession. So everybody has a different reason for58400:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.679
being here. And that's what I call the building with58500:39:59.719 --> 00:40:06.320
a big dome on top. Yeah, okay, here's my absolute58600:40:06.440 --> 00:40:11.320
favorite part of my end. So we leave that building58700:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.760
and it takes me to a building that didn't look58800:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.039
anything like any of the others looked. This building looked58900:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.639
like a stadium. It looked like a stadium where you59000:40:23.639 --> 00:40:26.119
would go to watch a football game or a soccer59100:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.880
game at just a big, big stadium. And it looked59200:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.480
like stainless steel. It didn't have any of the marble59300:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.079
stuff it was. It looked like a modern stainless steel building.59400:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.360
So Alan takes me to the inside and the first59500:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.559
thing I noticed is all the lights are on. This59600:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.639
place is super bright, and there were all of these59700:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.519
empty seats, thousands of empty seats in this building. And59800:40:52.679 --> 00:40:58.119
Alan told me, he said, this is a planetarium. And59900:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.239
the only reason I knew what that meant was because60000:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.559
when I was a kid, we went on a field60100:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.960
trip to a planetarium and it's one of those places60200:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.760
where you can sit down and look up at the60300:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.000
ceiling and they show all the cigars and things like that.60400:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.000
That's where I was. Well, there was a gentleman that60500:41:15.159 --> 00:41:19.119
was behind me, and I don't know why I never looked.60600:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.800
I never turned around to look at to see him.60700:41:22.239 --> 00:41:26.000
But apparently on the other side, we all love to60800:41:26.079 --> 00:41:30.440
do different things and we pursue the things that we love.60900:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.079
And it's not because we have to make money. Like61000:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.599
here on Earth, we've got everyone has to pay bills61100:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.960
that doesn't exist. On the other side, you pursue things61200:41:41.000 --> 00:41:45.519
that you absolutely love to do. In those two counselors61300:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.360
at every one of those tables in the Orientation Center61400:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.400
in the very beginning of my story, they love to61500:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.480
do that kind of work. Well, the gentleman that was61600:41:54.559 --> 00:42:04.960
behind me in the planetarium, he knew everything about the universe, stars, planets, galaxies, everything,61700:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.880
and he said to me, let's begin, And all of61800:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.159
a sudden, all the lights went off and it was61900:42:13.320 --> 00:42:18.000
pitch black inside this building. And he said to me,62000:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.480
he said, when you look at the stars, this is62100:42:22.519 --> 00:42:26.719
what you see. And what he meant by that was62200:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.800
everybody back in nineteen eighty seven, when they go outside62300:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.960
at night and they look up at the stars, this62400:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.400
is what they know to be there. And all of62500:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.039
a sudden, our sun showed up. Then all the planets62600:42:43.039 --> 00:42:51.199
in our solar system, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune,62700:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.880
all the planets in our solar system, and then it disappeared.62800:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.719
And then he said, when we look at the stars,62900:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.840
this is what we see. And he meant, all the63000:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.920
people who were on the other side, at their level63100:43:07.960 --> 00:43:11.719
of development, this is what they see when they look63200:43:11.760 --> 00:43:16.400
at the stars. And all of a sudden, planet after63300:43:16.679 --> 00:43:21.360
planet after planet started showing up. First there were dozens,63400:43:22.119 --> 00:43:26.559
then there were hundreds, then thousands, and millions and billions63500:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.880
of other planets. And he said, there is far more63600:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.199
life in the universe than you can possibly imagine. And63700:43:37.239 --> 00:43:41.559
I think there were two reasons why my guide Alan63800:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.519
took me here. Was he wanted me to tell people63900:43:44.599 --> 00:43:50.599
that Earth is not the only inhabited planet. There are64000:43:50.679 --> 00:43:56.079
virtually unlimited other worlds. And I think the second reason64100:43:56.159 --> 00:44:00.599
he showed me this was that Earth is not the64200:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.760
only planet that we can have lifetimes on. And I64300:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.519
want to give you, I want to give you, guys64400:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.000
in your audience, kind of a scale, kind of like64500:44:11.039 --> 00:44:15.039
to give you a scale of how large this really is.64600:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.639
And I grew up watching Star Trek with Captain Kirk,64700:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.039
and I always believe that there had to have been64800:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.360
other worlds. There have to be other worlds. Earth can't64900:44:26.400 --> 00:44:31.119
be the only one. Well, now that we have all65000:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.320
this data from the Hubble Space Telescope, and now the65100:44:35.400 --> 00:44:41.159
James Web Space Telescope. Astronomers believe that in the Milky65200:44:41.199 --> 00:44:45.639
Way galaxy, just our galaxy alone, that there are one65300:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.039
hundred billion planets, and they think that of that one65400:44:51.159 --> 00:44:56.159
hundred billion, that there are between four billion and fifty65500:44:56.239 --> 00:45:02.000
billion Earth like planets, meaning they are planets within their65600:45:02.119 --> 00:45:07.400
habitable zone, just like Earth is to our star. We're65700:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.239
not too far away and we're not too close that65800:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.760
we can have liquid water on the surface of the planet,65900:45:15.400 --> 00:45:19.880
which is what's required for life. Well, they think just66000:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.920
in the Milky Way there are between four billion and66100:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.920
fifty billion of those. If somebody had told me that66200:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.599
that makes up the universe, I would have believed it.66300:45:32.679 --> 00:45:38.519
But they actually believe that there are two trillion galaxies66400:45:39.199 --> 00:45:44.079
in the universe. Do you imagine if every single one66500:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.440
of those galaxies has one hundred billion planets in it?66600:45:48.679 --> 00:45:49.000
Can you?66700:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.840
I can't even fathom how many planets that means that66800:45:53.880 --> 00:45:59.840
there are, Right, So that was that was my favorite66900:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.719
part of my whole NDE. This next part is really67000:46:03.760 --> 00:46:08.840
interesting too. He takes me to another building, and this67100:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.719
one I think was the largest of any of the67200:46:12.760 --> 00:46:17.039
buildings he showed me. It was gigantic white marble that67300:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.719
went all the way down as far as you could see.67400:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.639
But it didn't have columns on the sides. It only67500:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.400
had columns in the front. And you know what it67600:46:26.440 --> 00:46:31.239
looked like. It looked like our Supreme Court building in Washington, DC.67700:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.199
It had all the columns in the front, that big67800:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.639
triangle kind of ceiling, you know, at the top. It67900:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.599
had all of these all of these stairs, these white68000:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.559
marble still stairs leading up to the entrance. So we68100:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.639
go in and I know immediately this is the library68200:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.000
because there were tall wooden bookshelves, maybe twenty or thirty68300:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.199
feet high, and as far down as you could see68400:46:58.800 --> 00:47:04.480
were these bookshelves. And people were everywhere wherever this library was.68500:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.559
It was really popular. Some people were visiting with other people,68600:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.320
some people were sitting at tables reading, other people were68700:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.840
visiting or looking for books. And Alan said to me,68800:47:17.159 --> 00:47:21.719
anything you've ever wanted to learn can be found in68900:47:21.840 --> 00:47:26.079
this library. So we walk over to the left hand side,69000:47:26.920 --> 00:47:30.159
on the left hand side of this of the library69100:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.000
where all these individual study rooms, and they looked like69200:47:35.320 --> 00:47:40.360
study rooms that we have today in modern libraries. He69300:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.280
walks me up to this one, this one study room,69400:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.440
and there was a woman who was sitting there. She69500:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.199
had her back to me. She was sitting on a couch,69600:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.599
and she had some kind of a purplish kind of69700:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.800
a robe or a gown on, and she had jet69800:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.360
black straight hair that went all the way down to69900:47:58.400 --> 00:48:03.239
her waist. And she was watching And this is this70000:48:03.280 --> 00:48:04.920
is the part that I have a really hard time70100:48:05.000 --> 00:48:10.320
trying to understand. You guys, remember back in nineteen eighty70200:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.960
seven what the TV sets looked like. Back then, they70300:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.559
were those huge boxes that they were like one hundred70400:48:18.559 --> 00:48:22.079
and fifty two hundred pounds. You couldn't you couldn't mount70500:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.199
those on a wall. Well, she was watching what we70600:48:27.239 --> 00:48:31.079
would call today in twenty twenty six. She was watching70700:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.760
back in nineteen eighty seven, what we would call a70800:48:35.880 --> 00:48:41.840
seventy inch plasma flat screen television mounted on the wall.70900:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.440
And I remember looking at that thinking, what in the71000:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.199
world is that, Because we didn't have anything like that,71100:48:50.639 --> 00:48:55.000
We didn't have flat screen TVs. So I was amazed71200:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.360
by that. And then Alan said, get closer and see71300:48:59.400 --> 00:49:03.559
what she's wanted. So I got closer and I could71400:49:03.639 --> 00:49:08.039
see that she was watching a battle that took place71500:49:08.119 --> 00:49:13.360
between Native American Indians on horseback in the United States71600:49:13.519 --> 00:49:18.320
cavalry on horseback, and there was this huge battle going on.71700:49:19.400 --> 00:49:24.239
And I thought that she was watching a movie. What71800:49:24.320 --> 00:49:27.800
else could it be. It has to be a movie.71900:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.960
And Alan said, she is watching living history of a72000:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.840
battle that took place two hundred and fifty years ago72100:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.840
here on Earth. Well, I was so indignant. I said,72200:49:42.800 --> 00:49:48.119
that's impossible. We didn't have video cameras back then. How72300:49:48.119 --> 00:49:52.920
could anybody have recorded something like that. We didn't have72400:49:52.960 --> 00:49:58.559
the technology. And he said to me, everything gets recorded.72500:50:00.199 --> 00:50:05.360
Still to this day, I have no idea how that's possible.72600:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.440
It's God. That's all it is, is God. Because when72700:50:10.440 --> 00:50:12.639
I was in that reunion, I mean when I was72800:50:12.679 --> 00:50:18.360
in when I was in the Life Review, every single72900:50:18.519 --> 00:50:22.119
aspect of my life up until the age that I73000:50:22.280 --> 00:50:26.840
was of age twenty one was on these movie screens73100:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.679
everything that I had ever done. And on the other side,73200:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.800
you can go to these rooms in the library and73300:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.639
you can look at anybody's lifetime. You could watch the73400:50:38.679 --> 00:50:42.280
lifetime of Abraham Lincoln, you could watch the lifetime of73500:50:42.320 --> 00:50:47.079
Mother Teresa or Martin Luther King. You could also watch73600:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.360
any era of Earth's history that you wanted to learn about.73700:50:52.840 --> 00:50:57.039
You can go to these rooms and watch living history,73800:50:58.039 --> 00:51:02.440
and I thought that was just extraordinary because I've always73900:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.199
liked history. I loved learning about it. And on the74000:51:05.239 --> 00:51:09.199
other side, you can actually see how things how they74100:51:09.280 --> 00:51:17.400
transpired in real time. So that's what I called the library.74200:51:18.920 --> 00:51:24.360
So the next place he takes me to is a castle.74300:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.840
And I've never seen a castle in person. I've only74400:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.760
ever seen them on videos or in books. But this74500:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.079
castle was huge. It was made of stone, it looked74600:51:37.079 --> 00:51:42.239
like it was made yesterday. It was absolutely perfect. And74700:51:42.360 --> 00:51:47.079
Alan said, let's go inside. So we go inside this74800:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.679
castle and the first thing I noticed is there's red74900:51:52.039 --> 00:51:57.480
clushed carpeting all through the interior. And Alan said they75000:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.079
did that on purpose to make you feel like you75100:52:01.119 --> 00:52:07.199
were royalty. And the reason was because everything that's ever75200:52:07.280 --> 00:52:12.639
occurred in Earth's history, every time period is also recorded75300:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.760
on the other side, so you could go to this75400:52:16.960 --> 00:52:21.199
castle to see what people lived in during mid Evil75500:52:21.239 --> 00:52:26.440
Europe here on Earth. So we walk in and it's75600:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.960
a gigantic castle. It wasn't as large as the other buildings,75700:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.039
but it was still really big. And on either side75800:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.360
of the walls on the right and on the left75900:52:35.360 --> 00:52:41.199
hand side there were life size paintings of people that76000:52:41.320 --> 00:52:47.320
had lived during mid Evil Europe. And the paintings were76100:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.519
the exact pictures of what people looked like back then,76200:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.519
like you could see King George or Queen Anne. You76300:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.119
could see what they looked like, and you could also76400:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.119
see the kind of clothing that they war at that time.76500:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.280
And there were there must have been thousands of these paintings.76600:53:05.320 --> 00:53:09.159
These life size paintings are probably even more. And in76700:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.199
front of every one of these paintings there was a podium.76800:53:14.480 --> 00:53:18.519
On top of the podium there was a book. And76900:53:18.599 --> 00:53:23.000
Alan told me, he said, those books on those podiums77000:53:23.719 --> 00:53:29.239
contain everything about that person's lifetime. So if you're on77100:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.559
the other side and you order to learn about let's say,77200:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.000
medieval Europe, you could go to see the castles to77300:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.599
see what they lived in. You could look at the77400:53:39.679 --> 00:53:42.960
pictures the paintings to see what they looked like. Then77500:53:42.960 --> 00:53:47.840
you could also read about their lives in these books.77600:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.679
Well write about Then something catches my right eye and77700:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.119
I turn over and there was a woman who was77800:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.440
walking down you know how castles back then had those77900:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.400
round stairwells. She was she was walking down this round stairwell,78000:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.760
and she had strawberry blonde hair, and she was wearing78100:54:12.840 --> 00:54:17.000
kind of like a peach colored gown or a robe.78200:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.960
And she was walking up to me, and my first78300:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.159
thought was, Okay, she's going to tell me that I'm78400:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.639
not supposed to be here, I'm supposed to leave. But78500:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.400
she walked up to me and she spoke to me,78600:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.760
and she said, is there anything I can help you find?78700:54:36.280 --> 00:54:40.039
And Guys, I said the stupidest thing to her I78800:54:40.079 --> 00:54:45.320
could ever say. I said, no, thanks, I'm just looking.78900:54:53.159 --> 00:54:54.039
Would you go shop?79000:54:54.360 --> 00:54:54.519
No?79100:54:55.599 --> 00:54:57.079
I didn't know.79200:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.119
I just didn't know what to say.79300:55:00.199 --> 00:55:03.440
Well, Alan told me. He said that on the other side.79400:55:04.719 --> 00:55:09.159
He said, this woman loves made evil history. That's what79500:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.880
she loves to study. So if you were on the79600:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.840
other side, she would be like what we would call79700:55:14.960 --> 00:55:19.920
a professor of that era of Earth's history. So I79800:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.320
thought that was fantastic.79900:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.320
Yeah, I do what before you go, guys, here's here's80000:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.039
the very real quick time before we go in. We80100:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.559
have about four minutes left in this episode actually, so80200:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.920
anything else you want to share, you can sum it80300:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.039
up to be, you.80400:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.800
Know, yeah, real fast, real fast.80500:55:36.960 --> 00:55:41.360
Yeah, okay, okay, The next place he takes me to80600:55:41.599 --> 00:55:45.280
is a meadow, the most beautiful meadow I've ever seen.80700:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.960
And and then Alan left. He left, and I thought80800:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.760
I was standing there by myself, so I turned around80900:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.239
to look at the meadow, the rest of the meadow,81000:55:57.039 --> 00:56:01.239
and right in front of me was staying ending the81100:56:01.280 --> 00:56:05.840
being that we know as Jesus. He didn't tell me81200:56:05.880 --> 00:56:09.079
who he was. I just knew that this is who81300:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.639
we would call Jesus. And he was different than everybody else.81400:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.840
I saw everybody else. They look just like you and81500:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.559
I do. But when I looked at his face, there81600:56:20.639 --> 00:56:25.039
was all it looked like this, all of this light81700:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.000
was coming out of his face. It looked like shards81800:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.880
of lightning. And I couldn't see what he looked like.81900:56:32.599 --> 00:56:36.679
But he spoke to me and he said, you must82000:56:36.920 --> 00:56:42.400
tell them there is no death. And then right when82100:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.639
he said that, I woke back up in the operating room.82200:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.559
And that's that's my story. That's how the whole thing unfolded. Yeah,82300:56:52.519 --> 00:56:56.280
that's what so ever since, isn't it, though?82400:56:56.400 --> 00:56:56.679
I know?82500:56:56.920 --> 00:57:01.519
So ever since then, I've just tried to share what82600:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.000
they showed me so that people don't have to fear dying.82700:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.400
Yeah, and I think he answered pretty much every single82800:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.639
question we had, just from just three leading questions. As82900:57:11.679 --> 00:57:14.159
you're talking like no, no, you go, we don't.83000:57:14.840 --> 00:57:18.719
It's I mean, obviously like your story is very different83100:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.280
from other near death experience stories that we've heard, and83200:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.920
in some cases, or in many cases, in this case,83300:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.599
it was much more extravagant, much more detail oriented, a83400:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.719
whole lot more happening within those seven minutes that you83500:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.880
have gone. And so I find it really you know,83600:57:34.960 --> 00:57:38.320
I definitely find it very intriguing and interesting, especially with83700:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.000
the way you kind of have talked about, you know,83800:57:41.000 --> 00:57:44.280
the various electronics that would have been available in heaven83900:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.039
or how there were various structures that look like things84000:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.960
in America but also things in Greco Roman, you know, structures,84100:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.840
And I find out very interesting. Oh, I know, it's84200:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.280
just wild to think about, you know, But why do84300:57:58.320 --> 00:58:04.280
you think, like I know, why why you were showing this,84400:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.559
But why do you think you were showing this as84500:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.199
quickly as you can this type of detail, whereas other84600:58:10.239 --> 00:58:14.239
people who've added near death experiences weren't offered as much.84700:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.199
I have no idea, Yeah, I have. I have always84800:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.519
wondered that because they must have known that I wasn't84900:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.000
gonna have a podcast, I wasn't gonna have a radio85000:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.360
show or a TV show. I don't I don't know why.85100:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.679
I still have no idea, no clue.85200:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.840
All right, well, John, thank you so much for joining85300:58:34.960 --> 00:58:37.360
us today. We're gonna throw you into limbo here as85400:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.000
we wrap up the show since you only have three85500:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.880
seconds left. But thank you again for joining us.85600:58:41.519 --> 00:58:46.639
Some great It was my pleasure, all right, folks. Check85700:58:46.679 --> 00:58:52.679
out John J. Davis and all of his stories are amazing.85800:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.519
He does have a website and that will be linked85900:58:55.559 --> 00:59:00.440
on our website to this episode. But yeah, fascinating and86000:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.440
just more and more questions that we'll have to have86100:59:05.519 --> 00:59:11.840
John Beckon to ask him later on. But this has86200:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.239
been a live show on one oh seven point seven FM,86300:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.599
New Orleans, one oh five point three FM on the86400:59:16.599 --> 00:59:21.760
Golf Coast and United Public Radio Network until next week, folks,86500:59:21.760 --> 00:59:25.400
where you will find us, same time, same channel. My86600:59:25.480 --> 00:59:27.840
name is Justin and I'm Eric Peace
