Aug. 26, 2026

When Planets Speak: Understanding The Language Of Astrology w/Dr. Stormie Grace

What are the planets saying to each other in your birth chart? Professional astrologer and educator Dr. Stormie Grace joins ParaTruth: Reborn to discuss her book, The Big Book of Planetary Aspects: A Comprehensive Guide to Natal and Transit...

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What are the planets saying to each other in your birth chart?

Professional astrologer and educator Dr. Stormie Grace joins ParaTruth: Reborn to discuss her book, The Big Book of Planetary Aspects: A Comprehensive Guide to Natal and Transit Astrology.

We explore the meaning behind conjunctions, squares, trines, oppositions, sextiles, and quincunxes—and how these relationships can influence the way astrologers interpret personality, relationships, challenges, opportunities, and major periods of our lives.

We also dive into:
• Natal charts vs. planetary transits
• Challenging vs. harmonious aspects
• The lunar nodes and angles
• Fate vs. free will
• Astrology as a tool for personal growth
• Skepticism surrounding astrology
• Whether planetary movements influence us or reflect something deeper
• The mysterious relationship between consciousness and the cosmos

Can astrology actually tell us who we are—or are we simply finding patterns among the stars?

Join Justin and Erik as belief meets evidence on ParaTruth: Reborn.

Guest Bio: Stormie Grace, DM, is a professional astrologer, educator, seasoned international speaker, and founder of the Grace Astrological Fluency Academy (GAFA). Through her signature AstroFluency™ framework, Stormie blends evolutionary and humanistic astrology to help students learn how to read, write, and speak the language of astrology with confidence, clarity, and practical application.

She is the author of the upcoming Llewellyn release, The Big Book of Planetary Aspects, and the creator of the Venus Reset program, a transformational experience designed to help women reconnect with their self-worth, feminine wisdom, and personal power.

For over a decade, Stormie has shared her work through conferences, workshops, online education, and media platforms around the world. A longtime contributor to Astrology Hub and other leading astrology organizations, she is passionate about making astrology accessible, empowering, and useful in everyday life. Through her teaching, writing, and speaking, Stormie helps students and clients move from confusion to confidence while deepening their understanding of themselves, their relationships, and their life's purpose through astrology.


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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, I'll be talking to Dr.

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Sturmey Grace about her book, The Big Book of Planetary Aspects.

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Welcome to Paratruth.

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How's it going, Paratroopers? Welcome to another episode of Paratroop Reborn.

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My name is Justin, and tonight we are looking to

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the stars, but we're going quite a bit deeper than

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asking what your zodiac sign says about you. If you

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ever pulled up your birth chart, you've probably seen a

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giant wheel filled with symbols, planets, houses, and a bunch

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of lines running through the middle. Unless you already understand astrology,

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it can look somewhat overwhelming. And tonight, we are going

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to be bringing on Stormy to talk about all of that. Stormy,

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welcome to Characters Before.

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Yeah, thank you so much for having me and hello

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to everybody. It's nice to be here.

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So before we get rolling here into the depth of

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the book, tell us a little bit how you got started.

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Oh my gosh, it's just like the most simple story. Honestly,

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I was young and my mother realized that I was

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experiencing the world a bit differently than my brothers were

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experiencing it. And so she ended up taking me to

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a metaphysical fair, which is cool, you know, and I

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liked it. And I enjoyed seeing the herbs and the

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crystals and all the things. And that was really beautiful.

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But I was like, these are my people. But we

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went to an astrologer's table and she was handworking a

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chart for the lady in front of her. And it

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was just a recalling. I just had a recalling like

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I had done it a hundred times or a hundred

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lifetimes or something just deep in me. already knew what

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she was doing and I could track and I could

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follow what she was doing. And that was it. That

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was when I knew for sure that astrology was going

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to be a part of my life, but I wasn't

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exactly sure how it was going to work. And I

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was never afraid that it was going to leave me

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or that I was going to like not have that

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as a part of my life. So that's how it

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actually made itself known and came in in a very

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conscious way. And then I started to study formally, um,

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a bit more under after that, you know, I got

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a bit older and I picked up books from Stephen

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Forrest and then I got a bit older and I

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picked up books from Noel Till. And this is how

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I really got in and started to shape what it

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is that I do now.

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Now, I've always been fascinated by astrology. Um, and you know,

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like I mentioned earlier, the, I've always been fascinated by Zodiac.

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I've seen how the Zodiac really plays a part in life,

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but I've never gotten an astrological part done or anything

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like that. So for those that just know just Zodiac

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and not like it beyond that, what exactly is a phantasm?

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So inside of the birth chart, if you look, you'll

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see the zodiac signs that are there. And most people

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at least know their sun sign. If nothing else, you know,

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we've been very well taught that. But inside of your chart,

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there is a whole world of archetypes and dynamics that

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are having conversation. And when we're talking about planetary aspects,

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we're talking about two different planets or more sometimes having

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a conversation in your chart or in the sky. And

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what is happening in that conversation that may be energetically

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giving us some signal to events that are occurring or

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flowing through your particular chart? This takes your chart from saying, oh,

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I'm a cancer, right? And it means all of these

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fun keywords about cancer to, yes, I'm a cancer, but

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also in my life or as part of my journey

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this time, I also need to really work on showing

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my assertion because there's a conversation with my son and Mars.

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So it's really when we get down to the planetary aspects,

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it's what gives your chart the texture and the nuance

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and something for you to even be talking about or

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looking at what you're working on or working with if

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it's something that's an aspect of ease.

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You describe astrology almost like it's a language. What does

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it mean to be fluent?

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Yeah, absolutely. This comes from the idea of fluency in

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any language because astrology to me, it's just another language

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that we're speaking. And I promise you, if you go

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to an astrological convention, you'll be like, what are these

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people saying? Because they're all speaking to each other in astrology. essentially, right?

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And I came from being a language learner and a polyglot.

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And so along the way, I realized that I could

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pick up certain words in the beginning of learning a

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target language. And, you know, that's great because you can

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let people know you're trying or kind of engage a

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little bit. But without getting more sentence structure or understanding

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how to build the conversation, you cannot build connection and

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fluency together. with other people in that language. And astrology

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is exactly the same. Every piece of that chart or

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every piece of what we work with is a piece

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of the sentence structure, is a piece of the grammatical

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flow and how we are having the conversation about what's

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happening in the chart. And then eventually, it becomes the

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place where you're fluent enough and you can read and

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speak and write these things to connect with another human being.

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And to make it make sense and to have that

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back and forth closeness of conversation.

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It's funny you bring up, you know, learning enough to

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kind of get by because that's kind of how I've

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gone through life is like I was in Spanish class,

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but I only got enough and vaguely understand the conversation.

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I actually learned Italian when my wife and I went

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to Sicily because I wanted to at least be able

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to say a couple of things or do something.

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Uh, now is it saying themselves in like, like when you,

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when you, uh, you spoke good night, you're going to

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be in Australia. I mean, when I heard of them,

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I understand. Yeah. It's exactly the.

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Same.

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It's exactly the same. And for me, I think that

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whatever the language is and whatever your purpose is for

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using it, a little bit of the language goes a

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long way. A little bit of astrology goes a long

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way because even understanding the different signs or the different

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planets that are in conversation in your chart or your

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child's chart or your spouse's chart, this can change the

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dynamic of conversation in your home in general because the

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way we're going to teach and treat each other and

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grant grace to each other around things becomes easier to

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do because we understand the language that we're speaking. Now,

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I mean, of course, at higher levels, if you want

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to be doing Spanish literature, just being able to order

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a coffee is not going to get it done. And

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astrology is very much so the same way. So If

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all you have the capacity for is to understand the

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sun signs in your home or in your life, that

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is going to do a lot for you. And as

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you go on and on and on, and you're able

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to build this fluency in this conversation, you can tell

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more and get more nuanced into what is happening in

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a chart or to what is happening in the sky.

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No, I know.

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It's just.

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Short, but then.

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We're talking about where the planets were by the Western

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sky at the time that you were born. Now, one

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thing to know is that in Western astrology, we followed

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the seasons, right? As opposed to if you're listening to

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one of our Jyotish practitioners or one of our practitioners

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of light, or they're called Vedic astrologers to some people,

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They are following the constellations, right? So you're going to

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see that depending on the type of astrology, because astrology

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has different types as well, but depending on the type

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of astrology that you're doing, you're going to see that

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the planets are in different places depending on the system.

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But that is exactly what we're talking about is where

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were the planets at at the time that you were born?

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In your snapshot of the sky, where was Saturn? Where

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was the sun? What generation were you under? Under Pluto.

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We want to know all of these things because it's

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like a guitar string. It's like the way I try

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to describe it is that, you know, if you strum

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a particular string on a guitar, everything that is in

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that vibration and on that string is going to resonate.

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It's going to move. It's going to have a certain

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sound or it'll be pronounced a certain way. And it

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is the same thing when we look in an astrologer. chart.

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We know that people who were born under Pluto and Leo,

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they're going to have a similar mentality because they came

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up in a generational time, you know, where the ideas

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and ideals were the same. So we want to understand

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how does that shape the conversation? but it is, in fact, Wastato,

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the actual planets and where they were at the time

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of your birth.

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Actually, like, the input of birth.

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us which area of your chart or which department of

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life your planets are putting a lot of emphasis on. Um,

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so it won't necessarily matter where it's at in the chart.

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It's more so understanding what the planet is trying to convey.

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So we can just go through the planets really quick

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if that's okay. Um, So the sun, of course, most

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people know their sun sign. And the sun is the

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planet in your chart that is saying, I am. This

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is me. This is how I want to express myself.

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This is how I want to be seen and what

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I want to be known for. So there is a

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huge presence of the sun. And if we think about

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it planetarily, the sun does not hang out in the background.

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And it's like, oh, I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking

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about being the sun today, right? Where the sun is

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at in your chart, you want to and you will

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shine in some kind of spotlight like that. When we're

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talking about the moon, this is more about how I feel,

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how I react, what I need emotionally to nourish me

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and to make me feel safe and secure. So depending

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on the sign placement of your moon, you may get

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your filling your security and nourishment cup filled very different

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than maybe a sibling does, right? Mercury is our planet

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of communication and of the mind. So wherever Mercury is

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at in your chart, sign, and house, this is where

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and how you communicate. You disseminate information. You gather it.

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You process the information. It's also where you may, depending

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on what sign it's in, have the ability to be

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a little bit more double-sided, where you're very much so

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this way, but you're also very much so this way.

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But Mercury essentially handles our communication. When we get to Venus,

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Venus is how we love. It's how we attract things

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to us, what we really value so that we know

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what to call and to magnetize to us based on

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our own deep values. And it is also the way

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that we give and share affection or create harmony around us.

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You know, Who were you in your family when there

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was conflict? We would look at your Venus. Straight away,

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I'd look at your Venus to see how did you

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behave to try to keep harmony in that space. Mars

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is our action planet. Wherever Mars is at, you have

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boots on the ground. You're in action. You're in motion.

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You have a deep desire to go directly at one

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thing because it's what you desire. So you're going to

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go that particular direction. So I just like to call Mars,

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Mars is your I'm going to get it done planet.

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Whether that means I'm going to get it done by,

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you know, just taking a tactical practical action or I'm

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going to get it done by creating conflict so that

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we can get into the action that needs to be done.

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Then we get to Jupiter and Jupiter is our base

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planet that we've got going. And Jupiter is about wisdom.

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It's our wisdom planet. It wants to expand what it's

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next to because it wants you to grow. It wants

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you to see something from a different perspective, take it

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beyond the horizon. But there's a lot of wisdom that

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comes with Jupiter because you've had to have experience to

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learn Jupiter's lessons, right? So with Jupiter, the only way

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to get the wisdom is through the experience. And the

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experience is not always our favorite, but it's not always

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terrible either. Then we get to Saturn. And Saturn is

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about boundaries. It's about crystallization, putting a construction or a

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frame or boundaries around something. Saturn is also our master

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of time. So many very, very important life events that

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happen for all of us, provided you don't die, of course,

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are going to be happening on Saturn cycles. Because Saturn

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is our timekeeper and it wants your maturity. And it's hard.

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Saturn can be hard because You can't be immature when

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you're dealing with your Saturnian energy. You'll need to take

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some action to really step into responsibility and then hold it.

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When we get to Uranus, Saturn's created all of this

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beautiful structure and Uranus is like, break it down. Let's

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break down all of those boundaries. I want to go

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beyond that. What else is there? And I always laugh

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because this is my favorite example of Uranus, one of many.

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But it's like if you build a Starbucks, right? You've

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got the cute restaurant, the cafe, that's very good. And

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then you have the structure of Saturn there. The business

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is running. And then Uranus goes, we'll break all this down.

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What else? Let's go up. Let's build a rooftop terrace.

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I want to see what else is up there. So

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where Uranus is at in the chart, we're looking for

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some kind of liberation. We want to do it different.

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us where Uranus is at as well. Then we have

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Neptune that dissolves the boundaries of things and moves us

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in between two different worlds, the world of what is

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tangible and we can hold on to and what is

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intangible that we create in the ethers. In the Neptunian vibration,

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we get a vision for something. Let's say it's a chair, right?

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At some point, some people were like, sitting on this

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floor sucks. And so they had a vision, there's got

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to be some other way for us to sit. And

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it was just created in the ether first, and then

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it became a tangible reality. And now we've got chairs

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all over the place. So in Neptune, we literally dissolve

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the boundaries to move into the ether and then bring

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it into the tangible space. And Pluto, which is our

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smallest planet and one furthest away that we work with,

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Pluto is about destruction, but it's also about empowerment. What

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Pluto touches, it transforms because it will tear it down

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and says, this has to die off so that the

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next best fitting version can live here. Pluto also moves

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so slow through our zodiac that we have generations that

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fall under Pluto, which is also the same for Neptune

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and for Uranus. So these are your planets that we're

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working with and seeing how they are speaking to us

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in the chart. The very first thing I would tell

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you to do if you grabbed your chart today, you

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had no idea what this thing is, is honestly the

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first thing I would tell you to do is look

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to the top to make sure your name, your birthday,

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your time of birth, and your place is correct. Because

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oftentimes this is such a basic thing, but people will

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grab their chart and they don't realize that they were

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born at 3 o'clock, but they accidentally put in 3.15.

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Birth charts change every four minutes. So that is quite

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a different chart. So I would tell you to first

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of all, make sure your data and information is correct.

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From there, I would tell you to look at your

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wheel and look directly to the left because the sign

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that is directly to the left is gonna tell us

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what your ascendant or your rising sign is. And this

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is the sign that we grow into Certainly as we

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get older, but we use it kind of as the gatekeeper.

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People meet us here first. You know, my rising sign

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is Virgo. So half the time when people meet me

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or they see something that I'm doing that's very public,

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it's very well put together. Like it is just very

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well put together because I thought of the details, all

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of these things, right? But this is kind of my gatekeeper.

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I'm not very Virgoan in every other area of my life.

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I'm a Taurus. And I'm very Taurian. Oh, my God.

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If you come to my house, you're going to be like,

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this place is a spa. Because it is.

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Now, I've always heard that, like, I have rising signs,

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descending signs. What does that actually mean when it comes

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to Zipu Bertra? If you're born in a Z sign,

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you need to be ascending.

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Yeah, sure.

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So we're just following, we're just tracking the planets across

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the sky, right? So when we're talking about, we're using

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the word as your ascendant, but when we're calling it

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your rising sign, what's happening is that this is the

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sign that was rising, literally rising onto the world at

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the time that you were born. Because the outside wheel,

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the zodiac wheel, rotates. The inner wheel, which you'll see

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if you have your chart, is your housing wheel, and

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this does not move at all. So this is how

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you can be an absolutely different rising sign than your

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sibling or your husband or, you know, whatever. Or somebody

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who is born on the same day, relatively close to

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your time, but maybe it's an hour or so separated.

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You guys can still have the same sun sign and

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have a completely different rising sign, moon sign, things like this.

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Because it's just about what was rising at the hour

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and the minute that the time was you were born.

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And it's rising, it just was rising there over the

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eastern horizon and then here you came.

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Absolutely. Because the planets are the what is going on, right?

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The planets will tell us what is going on. Let's

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say it's Mercury. Mercury is telling us something in your

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communication space and dynamic is happening and unfolding and trying

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to express itself. But how? How? Mercury needs a vehicle

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to do this. How is it going to get that done?

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So if you are a Virgo rising or a Gemini rising,

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you have Mercury … as your planetary chart ruler. So

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it's the ruler of your rising sign, right? So we

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would likely see that you are someone who does quite

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a bit of expression. We would see you in public,

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whether it's speaking, whether it's writing, or someone who just

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talks with their hands. You know, mercurial people love to

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talk with their hands. So we would be looking for

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that kind of expression. As opposed to, let's say that

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you have a Mercury in Scorpio. as you're at your

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rising sign. Scorpio is, let's change this around, that Scorpio

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is your ascending sign. Then your planetary rulers are going

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to be Mars and Pluto. This is going to be

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a different kind of feel that we're going to have.

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This person may be very friendly, very, you know, okay

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out here, but it's going to be a person who's

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likely a lot more observant than a person who is

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a lot more chatty, right? So you get this different

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feel based on which sign is in which position, how

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they're going to govern that particular space and help those

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planets make that expression. You know, my Mercury is in Gemini.

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So again, it's very chatty. It's very, it's comfortable because

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Mercury rolls Gemini. So it's very, very chatty. However, my

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husband's Mercury is in Aries. So literally I have to,

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when he is saying something or he is speaking, I

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have to kind of watch how he's saying that or

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where I'm positioning my body because Aries does not express

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in a friendly, flitty kind of way. Aries just does

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what it's saying. It's just very direct. This is what

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I'm saying. This is what I'm doing. I'm going after

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one thing, right? Because it's ruled by Mars. So then

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we get a combination essentially of Mercury and Mars coming

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together to express something. So this is a cool thing

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to learn. If you want to be in partnership with

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any other human beings on this planet, learning about their

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Mercury sign may help you.

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A whole bunch. That paper, I'm jamming. And then you

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think you, I got to use rice to the point

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that for my house. So the app is, is all

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your personality is. I've always slipped acidity by that.

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Does, does the astral chart actually, Help explain that a

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little bit more.

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Absolutely. I mean, it's got its main components, which are

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going to be the planets, the signs, the houses, and

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the aspects. These are how we figure out what's going

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on in there in the first place and how they're

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having a conversation with one another, right? But it does

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help us get some idea of the archetypes. Like if

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someone has a moon, right, their emotions, their security, what's

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going to make them feel safe when they're engaging and nourishing?

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or how they're going to react. If they have a

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moon that's in the vibration of cancer, the moon rules cancer.

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It's very comfortable. They're likely to be a little bit

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more of a homebody. They need family and these kinds

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of things are going to be really important to them. Roots,

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you know, and this would be important to know because

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if you have a partner or you have, you know,

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a business associate or a child who's got a moon

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in cancer, And you say, okay, we're going to just

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redecorate the house or we have to move or we

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have to change office. This allows us to have a

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bit of grace with each other because what this will

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mean for an entirely this human being will be a

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different experience than it's going to be for, you know,

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the person who's got a moon in Aries who's like, yeah,

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whip it up. Let's go. We're going over here. And

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this is a way that I try to bring astrology

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into our lives is to give each other grace and

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to give each other a little bit more kindness and space,

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but also to understand ourselves. My youngest, my oldest daughter

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has a mood and cancer. And oh my gosh, like

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when we moved, it was the end of the world.

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And she's like, I know intellectually this is not the

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end of the world. And she was like, she could just,

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you could see it. You know, she was really trying

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to process that. As opposed to, though, you know, you

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have somebody who has a moon in Virgo. They may

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want things to be tidy. They may be very, very

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concerned about their health and their mental health and their wellness.

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These things can be concepts that we can help explain

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with astrology or see why it might be important or

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impacting someone.

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Now, you can catch a howl out of these facts.

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That's very other likely.

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Not completely differently. That's not ever been my experience that

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if two people are having the same planetary aspect that

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it's 100% different. Now, we need to be really super

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clear here. You can have twins who are born just

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minutes apart, and those ones are literally having the same

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planetary aspect and probably to the same houses in that

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chart as well. So this is as close to having

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the same planetary aspect as that question can truly get

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in astrology. But they, even them, they can experience it

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differently depending on where they are in their own development

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of either one of the signs or the aspects that

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are being asked of them. So let's say that you

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have someone who's got a sun square Mars aspect that's happening, right?

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Let's do sun square Saturn. That's easier to explain, I think.

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So for one person, that square, which is an aspect

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of tension, which is telling them they need to do something,

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and Saturn is telling their personhood, you've got to grow

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up or you've got to take responsibility for this or

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we're coming to the next level of maturity, right? For

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one person, that might feel great. And they are really

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comfortable working with Saturn. They've been doing some work behind

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the scenes. So they're ready to step up to that

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next place of development. For the other person, it could

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feel like a shock where they're like, I don't want

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to take this responsibility on. This is hard. This feels heavy.

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Things like that can be the difference in the expression.

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For almost any other people in the world, uh, You

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may be having the same planetary aspect, but what house

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it's happening in for you, culture, conditioning, these things will

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also change how you experience the dynamic. But it won't

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necessarily be 100% different because the planets are still just

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asking the same questions. Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I guess I'm just going to understand. process well i'm

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like saying it's actually something i've never heard of so

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i'm so i'm like that you know that question does.

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All right. We are at our stormy grace. Now, something

468
00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:26.279
that I found fascinating about the title of the book

469
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:31.920
is A Comparative Guide to Natal and Transit Astrology. What

470
00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:32.180
is that?

471
00:29:33.619 --> 00:29:34.180
So, yeah.

472
00:29:35.329 --> 00:29:38.430
So your natal astrology is just what's going on in

473
00:29:38.470 --> 00:29:40.299
your natal chart at the time that you were born

474
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.539
when you get your birth chart that's your natal chart

475
00:29:42.579 --> 00:29:46.180
so we want to see what is the conversation being

476
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.529
had in that chart between the planets um at the

477
00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:53.309
time that you were born and so those planets are

478
00:29:53.349 --> 00:29:55.329
never going to move they're not going to move on

479
00:29:55.390 --> 00:29:57.549
that's it this is the snapshot so we're going to

480
00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:00.299
look at what chords and notes they're playing and And

481
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.259
what is the baseline of the conversation to kind of

482
00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:06.400
sort out what it is you're doing here or how

483
00:30:06.460 --> 00:30:11.119
you can develop. But we'll have transiting planets. Like, you know,

484
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.599
we were born and the sky did not stop, which

485
00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:19.319
is a surprise to some. But those planets kept moving on.

486
00:30:19.339 --> 00:30:22.420
And the planets that are in current motion and cycle,

487
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.480
these are called our transiting planets. And transiting planets, as

488
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.240
they're moving around and they're going on and they're wherever

489
00:30:29.299 --> 00:30:32.799
they are in their orbit, and they make contact with

490
00:30:33.019 --> 00:30:36.839
something in your chart, one of your natal planets or

491
00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:40.880
your natal angles or something like this, this is what

492
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.009
we call a transit. And that has a different set

493
00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:52.069
of aspects as well. Now, the aspects themselves in baseline, square, opposition, conjunction,

494
00:30:52.109 --> 00:30:55.609
they all mean the same things. But when you are

495
00:30:55.650 --> 00:30:58.230
looking at your natal chart, this is what it is.

496
00:30:58.250 --> 00:31:00.950
This is the story. You're likely going to hear these

497
00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:03.950
songs and these themes over and over and over again

498
00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:11.079
in your life. But a transiting planet will bring events, actions, people,

499
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:16.940
circumstances into your life under a particular aspect. And then

500
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.619
they move on. They move on when they're done. So

501
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.299
you won't play that tune forever. You know, Jupiter comes

502
00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:31.789
to each sign once every 12 years. So if transiting

503
00:31:31.869 --> 00:31:34.410
Jupiter is in Leo right now and it's having a

504
00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:38.450
conversation with your son that is in Leo, first of all,

505
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:41.819
it'll do it for just a few weeks and then

506
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.980
it's going to start to move on. And by the

507
00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:46.680
end of the year, it's going to be gone and

508
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.599
into Virgo. So you're done with that storyline. The other

509
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.759
reason it's cool to understand this is you can pattern track.

510
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.559
We can pattern track our own lives and stories. So

511
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:02.650
with my Jupiter and Leo example, Jupiter is in Leo

512
00:32:02.690 --> 00:32:06.490
right now. But if we back up 12 years ago

513
00:32:07.109 --> 00:32:10.529
and I say, okay, Justin, Jupiter was in the same

514
00:32:10.569 --> 00:32:12.779
place 12 years ago that it is now. Tell me

515
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.740
about what was happening. What was going on for you?

516
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.359
Because you had the same theme. You've already been here.

517
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.160
You've already been here. What are you doing? And now

518
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.940
we can apply a bit more wisdom to it to

519
00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:28.009
help you use that transiting time a bit better and

520
00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:30.829
see what other aspects are also being made to other

521
00:32:30.930 --> 00:32:34.289
transiting planets in the sky that can help or hinder

522
00:32:34.329 --> 00:32:34.970
the vibration.

523
00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:41.720
How long can the effects of a transit last?

524
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.650
It depends on the speed of the planet. right? So

525
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:51.099
if it is a transit by the moon, it's going

526
00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:54.099
to last a few hours because the moon moves very quickly.

527
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.079
It gets through signs every two and a half days.

528
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.529
It's moved on, okay? But if you're having a Pluto

529
00:33:02.650 --> 00:33:05.390
transit to something in your chart, Pluto is going to

530
00:33:05.430 --> 00:33:08.609
be in place for months and months and months. And realistically,

531
00:33:08.650 --> 00:33:11.269
it would be not a stretch to say you're going

532
00:33:11.289 --> 00:33:15.569
to absolutely spend a year or more working on that

533
00:33:15.670 --> 00:33:21.099
particular energy because Pluto moves so incredibly slow. Now, if

534
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.099
it's a Mercury transit, maybe three weeks. You're going to

535
00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:26.000
get maybe three weeks out of it. If it's a

536
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.599
Sun transit, you're going to get four weeks out of it.

537
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.700
If you're going to get a Saturn transit, you're going

538
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.920
to get in total, it'll be in that sign for

539
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.680
two and a half years, but you're probably going to

540
00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:39.569
really work on it for a year, maybe six months.

541
00:33:40.089 --> 00:33:43.450
So it just depends on the actual speed of the

542
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:48.359
planet and then where your planets are in your natal

543
00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:53.019
chart to see how long they're going to have the conversation. Okay.

544
00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:55.900
But for this moon, it's like speed dating.

545
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:06.680
Okay. Now, do faster moving planets tend to affect us

546
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:12.860
differently than... something slower like Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto?

547
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.119
So they don't, they all affect us, right? It's the

548
00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:22.519
speed at which we realize how impacted we have been.

549
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.530
So the sun, the moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars, these are

550
00:34:27.570 --> 00:34:31.250
personal planets. So they're closer to us. So as they're

551
00:34:31.289 --> 00:34:36.369
doing something, we feel those vibrations quite quickly into our charts, right?

552
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.130
But then when you get to the outer planets, particularly Uranus, Neptune, Pluto,

553
00:34:42.269 --> 00:34:46.809
they move so slow that they will still have an impact.

554
00:34:46.949 --> 00:34:50.610
And it's usually a heavier impact because it's essentially got

555
00:34:50.630 --> 00:34:57.449
to get an entire deeply woven and ingrained set of

556
00:34:57.690 --> 00:35:03.059
ideas and ideals rearranged for us. So those take longer, right?

557
00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:05.949
They take longer. And I say that it's the gift

558
00:35:05.989 --> 00:35:08.550
of the universe because the universe is kind, that we

559
00:35:08.590 --> 00:35:13.869
get time to work on them, you know, to tell you, hey, listen,

560
00:35:13.889 --> 00:35:18.530
your entire identity needs to be burned to the ground

561
00:35:18.730 --> 00:35:24.250
as Pluto is in a conjunction with your son. Because

562
00:35:24.269 --> 00:35:27.469
the version of you that you're walking with right now

563
00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:31.199
can't carry the next greatness that you're going on to

564
00:35:31.300 --> 00:35:34.590
or the next storyline. If you had to do that

565
00:35:34.710 --> 00:35:40.429
all in three weeks, nobody would be still standing. I

566
00:35:40.449 --> 00:35:43.090
think we'd all just be dead, honestly, because it's such

567
00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:47.010
a tough internal thing to do this kind of shedding

568
00:35:47.030 --> 00:35:50.050
that the outer planets ask us for. The other reason

569
00:35:50.110 --> 00:35:53.949
it does this is because those are our generational and

570
00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:57.429
societal planets. So they're also, as they are moving and

571
00:35:57.469 --> 00:36:01.070
bringing a transit in, they don't need to just change us.

572
00:36:01.690 --> 00:36:04.530
they've got to change our fellow man with us as well.

573
00:36:04.590 --> 00:36:09.409
And we've all got to get busy getting there together. Right?

574
00:36:09.489 --> 00:36:15.929
So that's why it's particularly interesting to understand, um, how

575
00:36:16.090 --> 00:36:20.099
and how impactful or quickly you see the impact of

576
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:21.980
the planets as they're moving around like this.

577
00:36:25.780 --> 00:36:31.239
Let me ask you this. Um, A lot of people

578
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.409
will base their life off of their astrological chart or

579
00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:39.550
even their zodiac sign. How much does free will have

580
00:36:39.610 --> 00:36:45.730
to do with that? Or is the astrological chart and

581
00:36:45.750 --> 00:36:49.829
the zodiac sign really how you know how your life's

582
00:36:49.849 --> 00:36:50.349
going to go?

583
00:36:51.389 --> 00:36:53.889
I think that people come from this in two different camps,

584
00:36:54.030 --> 00:36:56.030
for sure. There are the ones that are like, this

585
00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:58.860
is it. You get what you get. Don't throw a fit.

586
00:36:59.420 --> 00:37:04.840
Best wishes. And that's fine if that is what works.

587
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.280
I tend to think that it is a really good

588
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:13.039
roadmap and free will is everywhere, right? Free will is left, right,

589
00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:15.639
and center. If you don't want to do something, don't

590
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.440
do it. If you want to try to become a

591
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:23.559
different person, go for it. Go down that road. Where

592
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.159
I think that the chart is incredibly useful is to

593
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:31.610
watch someone in their natural terrain and have a pretty

594
00:37:31.670 --> 00:37:36.590
good explanation for why or how they're doing what they're doing, right?

595
00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:41.750
But is there free will? A ton. However, I've not

596
00:37:41.889 --> 00:37:45.730
seen yet that I look at someone's chart and I

597
00:37:45.769 --> 00:37:47.590
look at what the nodes are doing and these are

598
00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:50.730
their destiny points. In evolutionary astrology, we're gonna look at

599
00:37:50.769 --> 00:37:52.590
what's the story you came from and what are you

600
00:37:52.610 --> 00:37:55.289
trying to move towards? This would be a lifetime's worth

601
00:37:55.349 --> 00:38:00.130
of work, right? I've not seen anybody go after anything

602
00:38:00.710 --> 00:38:04.469
other than their nodes. So I'm like, there's got to be,

603
00:38:04.550 --> 00:38:07.480
you know, I could still be mystified by it myself,

604
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.219
even as a practitioner seeing this every day, like all day,

605
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.639
to go, well, where's your free will? You know, instead

606
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:19.690
of building businesses because you have a south node in Capricorn,

607
00:38:19.730 --> 00:38:22.869
why don't you just go, you know, be a teacher

608
00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:26.650
or something like this, like the Sagittarian vibration? And they

609
00:38:26.710 --> 00:38:31.219
just go towards it. And tend to struggle at the

610
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.739
North Node side to learn those lessons of it's not

611
00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:37.719
just what are you doing, but how are you feeling, right?

612
00:38:38.300 --> 00:38:42.639
So it's interesting to watch. I'm going to continue to

613
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.860
probably forever be watching this because I do know that

614
00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:47.820
there's free will. You can make your choices. You can

615
00:38:47.860 --> 00:38:50.400
make your decisions. The universe, I believe, would like you

616
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.579
to do so. But also, if the chart's not pretty accurate,

617
00:38:53.659 --> 00:38:55.820
why are you just doing all the chart things anyways?

618
00:38:57.659 --> 00:38:57.760
Right.

619
00:38:59.409 --> 00:39:05.360
So somewhere in there is where I land. But I

620
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:11.159
also do a lot of consulting, live one-on-one consulting with people,

621
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.849
you know. And so I have gotten to see, first

622
00:39:16.869 --> 00:39:19.510
of all, I've gotten to see it play out that

623
00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:22.690
they just seem to live the chart. But I've also

624
00:39:22.730 --> 00:39:27.489
seen to the dark side of that. where people will

625
00:39:27.530 --> 00:39:32.030
put themselves in this box. where it's like, oh, my

626
00:39:32.110 --> 00:39:37.079
chart says that I'm, you know, a Pisces. I'm going

627
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:40.500
to spend my life being a drug addict. I'm like, okay, listen,

628
00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:44.900
that's too much. That is not what That means at

629
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.460
all being a Pisces is not meaning you're going to

630
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.679
be synonymous with being a drug addict, right? Like go

631
00:39:50.699 --> 00:39:53.480
to any meeting, there's a little bit of all Zodiacs

632
00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:58.429
in there. But where does it create a space where

633
00:39:59.050 --> 00:40:02.389
like a person gets themselves locked into the story of

634
00:40:02.550 --> 00:40:04.530
this is who I am, this is all I am,

635
00:40:04.590 --> 00:40:06.590
this is all I have to offer on all I'll

636
00:40:06.630 --> 00:40:09.489
ever be? I've definitely seen the dark side of that

637
00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:13.250
as well. Is that the fault of astrology or is

638
00:40:13.289 --> 00:40:16.489
this something that is birthed in the individual for their work?

639
00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:19.550
Who can say? But I would say it's probably in

640
00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:19.889
the chart.

641
00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:24.969
Okay. Now, I mean, there's always going to be those

642
00:40:25.210 --> 00:40:29.409
skeptics out there about anything in the paranormal or anything

643
00:40:29.469 --> 00:40:35.360
that has to do with predicting the future. One criticism

644
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.699
of astrology is that descriptions can sometimes be broad enough

645
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.800
that almost everyone Anyone can identify with them. How do

646
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.760
you respond to that question?

647
00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:51.980
I say I agree with you 110%. That is why

648
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.000
I think it is also really important that if you

649
00:40:55.099 --> 00:40:58.420
want to see the truth of what astrology has to offer,

650
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:04.380
to give it a fair judgment, right? Come to the practice,

651
00:41:04.539 --> 00:41:07.769
the full practice of astrology. See what it is. And

652
00:41:07.929 --> 00:41:11.650
I love all astrologers. I will champion for astrologers left, right,

653
00:41:11.690 --> 00:41:15.550
and center. But we have sun sign astrologers where this

654
00:41:15.610 --> 00:41:17.690
is all they talk about is the sun being in

655
00:41:17.829 --> 00:41:21.170
particular signs and one of those characteristics. And they are

656
00:41:21.269 --> 00:41:24.840
speaking the language of astrology. So they have my full support.

657
00:41:25.110 --> 00:41:28.039
But if you want to know about your life and

658
00:41:28.059 --> 00:41:33.900
your unfoldings more deeply, this is where We need aspects.

659
00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:36.500
This is where we need secondary productions, and this is

660
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:39.199
where we need training and skill to be able to

661
00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:43.070
actually walk you through it. If you come and you

662
00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:46.269
sit down with someone and you get the full experience

663
00:41:46.929 --> 00:41:50.190
of what astrology can really offer, and then you have

664
00:41:50.269 --> 00:41:52.849
the judgment against it that the words are too broad,

665
00:41:52.889 --> 00:41:56.940
that could have meant anything, then I'll be totally like

666
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:58.840
on your side. I'll be like, yeah, okay, cool. That's

667
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.320
not going to work for you. That's very rare. What

668
00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:05.519
I see is that people will go to unskilled or

669
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.139
untrained astrologers, and then they do get a session of

670
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.679
a bunch of broad words, and that doesn't do anything.

671
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:19.449
You know, astrology is a technical skill. It's not an

672
00:42:19.550 --> 00:42:23.489
intuitive skill. It's a technical skill. You may be intuitive

673
00:42:23.550 --> 00:42:25.769
and bring that to the table, but if you go

674
00:42:25.849 --> 00:42:29.909
to see someone who is identifying as an astrologer, and

675
00:42:29.949 --> 00:42:32.369
they can't prove the timing or they can't prove the

676
00:42:32.449 --> 00:42:36.130
cycle or they can't show you the three technical skills

677
00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:39.769
they're using to show you why they came to that conclusion,

678
00:42:40.230 --> 00:42:43.510
you will stay skeptical. You just will because there's nothing

679
00:42:43.570 --> 00:42:47.519
to be but skeptical then. But commence it with someone

680
00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:52.940
who's really pulling the chart apart and then also engaging

681
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:55.820
you in the conversation of your journey of your life,

682
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.679
looking into timing forward and back. And I think you'll go, okay,

683
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.829
I'm slightly less skeptical. Or maybe you won't, you know?

684
00:43:06.849 --> 00:43:10.610
Well, I mean, people say the same thing about, you know,

685
00:43:10.650 --> 00:43:15.969
tarot readings and stuff too. And that it's the reader's

686
00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:20.039
interpretation of what they're seeing. Is that the same for

687
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:26.599
astrology where it's the reader? astrologist interpreting what everything means

688
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:31.079
or is there like exact meaning in everything that comes

689
00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:33.900
to your astrological chart? It's a mix.

690
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:37.250
It's truly a mix. I mean, in a more exact way,

691
00:43:37.349 --> 00:43:41.030
depending on which branch of astrology you are practicing, because

692
00:43:41.090 --> 00:43:44.190
astrology has many different branches. I like to relate it

693
00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.449
to medicine. Like we're all doctors. Everybody knows CPR and

694
00:43:47.469 --> 00:43:50.360
we know the body, but like what we specialize in

695
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:59.530
is different, right? So depending on the branch that you're using,

696
00:44:00.690 --> 00:44:06.010
you may come to the expression of a particular planet

697
00:44:06.210 --> 00:44:09.750
in a different way, but we all are going to go, okay,

698
00:44:09.769 --> 00:44:12.710
this is a Mars transit. We're going to look for action.

699
00:44:12.730 --> 00:44:14.210
We're going to look for motion. We're going to look

700
00:44:14.250 --> 00:44:17.610
for these things, right? And in this way is where

701
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:23.070
it becomes trackable and technical. Because in some way, we

702
00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:28.789
all know what's going on in particular vibrations or what's

703
00:44:28.829 --> 00:44:33.329
happening when someone is like, you know, in a particular

704
00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:36.710
season of life, which those we also track with the

705
00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:42.300
planets as well. Now, I cannot speak to numerology and

706
00:44:42.340 --> 00:44:44.840
to tarot because I don't practice either of them and

707
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:52.119
I never have. So whether or not they have a technical... basis,

708
00:44:53.539 --> 00:44:55.960
compared to astrology, I don't really have the answer for that.

709
00:44:56.019 --> 00:45:02.400
I'd be interested to know. But in what I've observed,

710
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.099
it seems a bit more intuitive. But that may not be,

711
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.309
you know, accurate at all. But in astrology, yeah, for sure.

712
00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:12.050
You say the sun, you say Mars, you say Pluto,

713
00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:15.010
you say there's a square. A bunch of astrologers are

714
00:45:15.030 --> 00:45:18.949
going to go, oh, here's in the vicinity of what

715
00:45:18.969 --> 00:45:19.690
we're talking about.

716
00:45:21.340 --> 00:45:23.250
I mean, it's kind of the same for tarot. I mean,

717
00:45:24.809 --> 00:45:28.849
I've studied tarot for many, many years, and it really

718
00:45:28.889 --> 00:45:35.630
has to do with the overall picture that the tarot

719
00:45:35.670 --> 00:45:43.320
reading is showing you. You know, each card has an

720
00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:48.920
explanation of what it represents. It is up to the

721
00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:53.019
tarot reader to kind of put the entire story together.

722
00:45:53.539 --> 00:45:57.000
So it very much seems like astrology and tarot can

723
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.030
be very similar in that regard. You're looking at the

724
00:46:01.090 --> 00:46:06.190
full aspect, not just one specific piece of the puzzle.

725
00:46:08.329 --> 00:46:11.320
At times. And then other times... you know, people will

726
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:13.079
come to us and they're like, I really need to

727
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:16.420
know about my health. And so we're going very specifically

728
00:46:16.460 --> 00:46:19.900
into the chart, but I think tarot does this as well, right?

729
00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:22.090
If somebody comes and they have a specific question.

730
00:46:22.179 --> 00:46:23.289
Okay.

731
00:46:24.849 --> 00:46:26.769
So we'll all stay at the metaphysical fair.

732
00:46:32.130 --> 00:46:34.909
And I mean, that's where you find most of the stuff, uh,

733
00:46:34.989 --> 00:46:40.739
you know, paranormal convention, metaphysical fair, um, metaphysical shops, stuff

734
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:46.880
like that. And I've always loved a good tarot reading,

735
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.280
or I would love to have my astrological chart done

736
00:46:50.300 --> 00:46:55.429
because I've never had it done. Astrologer.

737
00:46:56.190 --> 00:46:56.449
Okay.

738
00:46:57.010 --> 00:47:08.579
I do too, now. Now, has there ever been... a

739
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.780
point where you've encountered something in a chart that, that

740
00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:16.780
made you stop and go, okay, that's pretty remarkable or

741
00:47:16.820 --> 00:47:19.949
that's fascinating or wow, that's kind of weird.

742
00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:25.750
Yes. I've had a couple experiences with that as a

743
00:47:25.750 --> 00:47:28.909
matter of fact, and one of them was less about,

744
00:47:30.010 --> 00:47:34.079
it was about the chart, but it was also about

745
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.960
like kind of an imprint I got when reading the chart,

746
00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:40.010
which doesn't, Happened to me often. I'm able to keep

747
00:47:40.050 --> 00:47:42.949
a fair amount of distance from, you know, whatever chart

748
00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:44.829
that it is that I'm reading and just look at

749
00:47:44.869 --> 00:47:47.130
what the chart is trying to say. But it was

750
00:47:47.190 --> 00:47:50.670
so much so that I needed to put the chart

751
00:47:50.730 --> 00:47:54.369
down and actually ask the client if I could share

752
00:47:54.590 --> 00:47:58.090
their chart with my teacher. And I took the chart

753
00:47:58.110 --> 00:48:00.840
to my teacher and I'm like, here's my three technical

754
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.099
things that I'm seeing. to be able to prove what

755
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.179
it is that I'm saying. And here's what's coming through

756
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.159
for me. As I look at this, I would love

757
00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:12.400
your feedback. You know, she's got more years in the

758
00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:15.940
game than me, all of these kinds of things. And

759
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:20.179
in that way, it was a really nice like kind of, okay, yep,

760
00:48:20.610 --> 00:48:23.829
we see exactly where you're coming from. Here's another way

761
00:48:23.909 --> 00:48:26.250
to look at that. So it was a nice redirect

762
00:48:26.369 --> 00:48:28.409
for me, but it was shocking. You know, this was

763
00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:30.769
a person who had just had a baby and in

764
00:48:30.860 --> 00:48:34.960
the chart it was showing, um, uh, something really strong

765
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.389
happening with one of the other parents and strong and sudden.

766
00:48:39.610 --> 00:48:43.130
And so it was a bit alarming as well, you know,

767
00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:46.630
because the people had called and they gave me their, um,

768
00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:49.369
baby's birth time. I think the baby had only been

769
00:48:49.429 --> 00:48:52.250
born for like four hours or something like that.

770
00:48:52.710 --> 00:48:53.030
Yeah.

771
00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:54.730
So it was like, you know what I mean? So

772
00:48:54.750 --> 00:48:56.829
it was like, okay, that's really cool because in that

773
00:48:56.889 --> 00:48:59.429
way we get to welcome little travelers to the world

774
00:48:59.489 --> 00:49:02.239
and kind of see them from the beginning and through

775
00:49:02.260 --> 00:49:06.059
the journey. But it was also quite shocking. Now I've seen, um,

776
00:49:06.940 --> 00:49:11.000
other things in the chart where I do go, that's interesting.

777
00:49:12.019 --> 00:49:17.550
Mostly what it is is that it'll be like, in

778
00:49:17.590 --> 00:49:22.329
a month. I'll have the same pattern or configuration of

779
00:49:22.389 --> 00:49:25.369
people who I'm working with or who are coming in

780
00:49:25.530 --> 00:49:28.309
or have questions about something in their chart. And this

781
00:49:28.469 --> 00:49:31.989
always fascinates me. It just always fascinates me because it's

782
00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:37.639
like clearly this planetary combination or vibration is really getting

783
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.659
people's attention. You know, and they'll be born at different

784
00:49:40.699 --> 00:49:43.019
times of the year. They don't know each other, all

785
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.239
of these things. And then it's like, whoop, okay. You know,

786
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.619
Saturn and Neptune want to be heard right now. So

787
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.719
they're making themselves really very known. Other than that, in

788
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.420
charts in general, I think all charts are good charts.

789
00:49:57.739 --> 00:50:00.699
And I've never seen anything that just stopped me in

790
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.489
my tracks to be like, wow, this is an extra,

791
00:50:03.969 --> 00:50:08.190
extra special chart. Extra marshmallows for you.

792
00:50:13.110 --> 00:50:17.929
Now, what's one thing that you wish everyone understood about

793
00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:18.710
their birth chart?

794
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.019
One, that they have it, that they have it. There's help.

795
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:29.239
You know what I mean? Like I have learned I'm

796
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:33.480
44 now, which I love, by the way. And there's

797
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:37.449
a fair amount of like breathing that goes on in

798
00:50:37.469 --> 00:50:42.489
the human experience. Just breathing. re-rallying the troops, whether they

799
00:50:42.530 --> 00:50:46.869
be physical, mental, spiritual, financial, whatever. There's a lot of

800
00:50:46.969 --> 00:50:52.590
breathing that happens. And in those moments, I wish people

801
00:50:52.789 --> 00:50:56.239
to know that they have a chart that it's like,

802
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:01.519
hold on, you can look. Astrology does much of what

803
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.820
many other disciplines do. We just typically do it faster

804
00:51:06.820 --> 00:51:09.559
because we're going to look at the chart and go, ah,

805
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.840
you've got a lot of pressure being put on your

806
00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:19.130
moon right now by this other planet. Tell me about that.

807
00:51:19.909 --> 00:51:25.150
Tell me your experience, right? And oftentimes we're speaking our

808
00:51:25.210 --> 00:51:28.289
charts anyways, even if you never knew you had a chart.

809
00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:32.260
To a trained astrologer, if you're coming around and you're saying,

810
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.699
I feel like I'm just losing all my words today.

811
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.550
I'm so frustrated. I feel like I just, Can't remember

812
00:51:37.570 --> 00:51:39.469
what I'm saying. Can't remember where I'm going. Or like

813
00:51:39.530 --> 00:51:42.300
the thought comes and it floats right off. An astrologer

814
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.280
is going to go, well, let's see what Neptune's doing

815
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.239
in your chart. And likely Neptune is somewhere in a

816
00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:51.780
conversation to your Mercury. So you didn't even know what

817
00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:54.099
was there, but we would. So this is what I

818
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:55.550
want people to know is that you have a little

819
00:51:55.610 --> 00:51:59.130
map to help you the very best that it can.

820
00:51:59.670 --> 00:52:01.510
And even if you never get to the point where

821
00:52:01.530 --> 00:52:04.289
you are reading that map with the level of proficiency

822
00:52:04.349 --> 00:52:07.489
and fluency that I am reading that at, If you

823
00:52:07.530 --> 00:52:09.530
can look at your own chart and say, I have

824
00:52:09.590 --> 00:52:13.130
a moon that is in Libra. What does that mean

825
00:52:13.190 --> 00:52:16.409
for me? And how do I help fill my security

826
00:52:16.429 --> 00:52:19.239
and nurturing cup? What are the things that I can

827
00:52:19.300 --> 00:52:22.820
take on? You know, or my daughter has a moon

828
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.159
in Leo. How can I support that? This is the thing.

829
00:52:27.380 --> 00:52:30.519
We have a helping tool. They say, you know, kids

830
00:52:30.539 --> 00:52:33.619
are not born with instruction manuals. And I'm like, incorrect.

831
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:43.030
Literal incorrect. You know, if you captured that time and date,

832
00:52:43.289 --> 00:52:47.489
we can do a lot with that. And it turns

833
00:52:47.570 --> 00:52:52.309
out adults keep their instruction manuals as we go along.

834
00:52:52.349 --> 00:52:54.190
So I just want people to know that the journey

835
00:52:54.230 --> 00:52:57.449
can be really full and really fun and easier. And

836
00:52:57.489 --> 00:53:00.320
you can know some of the timing of challenge. You know,

837
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.099
help yourself have a leg up while we're doing this

838
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:03.780
wild thing.

839
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.320
Now, I'm going to put you on the spot here.

840
00:53:09.849 --> 00:53:14.409
after everything you've experienced and studied, what do you believe

841
00:53:14.449 --> 00:53:15.670
happens when we die?

842
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.420
I think a lot of things happen when we die.

843
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.880
I think it depends on, you know, what you believe

844
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.380
happens when you die. I'm an evolutionary astrologer, so my

845
00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:36.789
predisposition is to come to the table in a reincarnationist attitude,

846
00:53:37.170 --> 00:53:40.349
something like this. So I tend to think we get

847
00:53:40.389 --> 00:53:44.969
the opportunity or are offered the opportunity at the reincarnation

848
00:53:45.010 --> 00:53:47.150
booth to say, do we want to come back in?

849
00:53:48.050 --> 00:53:49.489
Do we not want to come back in? Do we

850
00:53:49.510 --> 00:53:52.269
learn it? Do we still need time to process when

851
00:53:52.510 --> 00:53:55.159
we leave? Do we go back and hang out in

852
00:53:55.179 --> 00:53:58.239
the great source? You know, I think there are a

853
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.679
lot of things that happen when we die. And it

854
00:54:01.699 --> 00:54:06.039
will just depend on what you believe in, where you're…

855
00:54:06.909 --> 00:54:12.929
where your predispositions for life and death lie. But ultimately,

856
00:54:12.949 --> 00:54:15.570
I think we go back to the source and we

857
00:54:15.590 --> 00:54:19.309
get an opportunity to decide what to do next.

858
00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:25.519
Well, it is about that time to let you go.

859
00:54:25.699 --> 00:54:27.219
So I wanted to give you the chance to tell

860
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.860
everybody where they can find you, find your work. The

861
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:30.480
mic's all yours.

862
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.260
Yeah, absolutely. You can come and visit me at stormygrace.com.

863
00:54:34.909 --> 00:54:37.460
which is my website and all of the goods and

864
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.179
goodies that I offer are there. And I spend a

865
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:45.440
lot of time on YouTube. So like you can come

866
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.420
over to YouTube because I promise you I'm over there.

867
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.559
And then of course, if you're on the website or

868
00:54:52.099 --> 00:54:54.619
you are on YouTube, I'm typically announcing if I'm going

869
00:54:54.699 --> 00:54:57.300
to be teaching live someplace where there's an event or

870
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.550
something that's going on. And you can find me on

871
00:55:00.570 --> 00:55:02.630
your bookshelf if you have my book, which would be

872
00:55:02.650 --> 00:55:03.730
really exciting for.

873
00:55:03.710 --> 00:55:04.099
All of us.

874
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:09.219
Excellent. Stormy, thank you so much for being on Paratroop Reborn.

875
00:55:10.449 --> 00:55:12.309
Thank you so much for having me. Thank you, everyone.

876
00:55:15.510 --> 00:55:19.809
All right, folks. We asked our Paratrooper community, how much

877
00:55:19.949 --> 00:55:23.260
do you believe your birth chart can reveal about you?

878
00:55:23.260 --> 00:55:26.239
44% said a lot. 33% said some things are surprisingly accurate.

879
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:38.349
12% said not. I'm curious but skeptical. And Eleven said,

880
00:55:38.369 --> 00:55:44.530
I don't believe astrology works. Now, with this conversation that

881
00:55:44.550 --> 00:55:49.050
I've had with Stormy, I hope we've changed that perspective.

882
00:55:49.250 --> 00:55:55.769
If it has, shoot us a comment in the comments below.

883
00:55:57.349 --> 00:56:00.429
Reach out to us on our website, Parachute.com, where you

884
00:56:00.449 --> 00:56:02.389
can leave us a voicemail or you can reach out

885
00:56:03.550 --> 00:56:09.800
via the email the message portion of the website so

886
00:56:10.469 --> 00:56:16.139
let us know how this has changed your perspective until

887
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.780
next week folks where you'll find us same time same

888
00:56:19.820 --> 00:56:22.579
channel my name is Justin I'll talk to you guys

889
00:56:22.619 --> 00:56:22.860
later

890
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:34.949
Thank you.