When Planets Speak: Understanding The Language Of Astrology w/Dr. Stormie Grace

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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, I'll be talking to Dr.

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Sturmey Grace about her book, The Big Book of Planetary Aspects.

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Welcome to Paratruth.

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How's it going, Paratroopers? Welcome to another episode of Paratroop Reborn.

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My name is Justin, and tonight we are looking to

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the stars, but we're going quite a bit deeper than

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asking what your zodiac sign says about you. If you

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ever pulled up your birth chart, you've probably seen a

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giant wheel filled with symbols, planets, houses, and a bunch

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of lines running through the middle. Unless you already understand astrology,

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it can look somewhat overwhelming. And tonight, we are going

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to be bringing on Stormy to talk about all of that. Stormy,

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welcome to Characters Before.

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Yeah, thank you so much for having me and hello

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to everybody. It's nice to be here.

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So before we get rolling here into the depth of

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the book, tell us a little bit how you got started.

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Oh my gosh, it's just like the most simple story. Honestly,

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I was young and my mother realized that I was

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experiencing the world a bit differently than my brothers were

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experiencing it. And so she ended up taking me to

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a metaphysical fair, which is cool, you know, and I

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liked it. And I enjoyed seeing the herbs and the

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crystals and all the things. And that was really beautiful.

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But I was like, these are my people. But we

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went to an astrologer's table and she was handworking a

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chart for the lady in front of her. And it

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was just a recalling. I just had a recalling like

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I had done it a hundred times or a hundred

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lifetimes or something just deep in me. already knew what

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she was doing and I could track and I could

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follow what she was doing. And that was it. That

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was when I knew for sure that astrology was going

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to be a part of my life, but I wasn't

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exactly sure how it was going to work. And I

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was never afraid that it was going to leave me

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or that I was going to like not have that

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as a part of my life. So that's how it

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actually made itself known and came in in a very

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conscious way. And then I started to study formally, um,

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a bit more under after that, you know, I got

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a bit older and I picked up books from Stephen

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Forrest and then I got a bit older and I

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picked up books from Noel Till. And this is how

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I really got in and started to shape what it

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is that I do now.

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Now, I've always been fascinated by astrology. Um, and you know,

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like I mentioned earlier, the, I've always been fascinated by Zodiac.

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I've seen how the Zodiac really plays a part in life,

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but I've never gotten an astrological part done or anything

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like that. So for those that just know just Zodiac

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and not like it beyond that, what exactly is a phantasm?

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Yeah.

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So inside of the birth chart, if you look, you'll

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see the zodiac signs that are there. And most people

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at least know their sun sign. If nothing else, you know,

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we've been very well taught that. But inside of your chart,

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there is a whole world of archetypes and dynamics that

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are having conversation. And when we're talking about planetary aspects,

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we're talking about two different planets or more sometimes having

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a conversation in your chart or in the sky. And

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what is happening in that conversation that may be energetically

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giving us some signal to events that are occurring or

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flowing through your particular chart? This takes your chart from saying, oh,

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I'm a cancer, right? And it means all of these

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fun keywords about cancer to, yes, I'm a cancer, but

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also in my life or as part of my journey

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this time, I also need to really work on showing

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my assertion because there's a conversation with my son and Mars.

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So it's really when we get down to the planetary aspects,

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it's what gives your chart the texture and the nuance

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and something for you to even be talking about or

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looking at what you're working on or working with if

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it's something that's an aspect of ease.

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You describe astrology almost like it's a language. What does

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it mean to be fluent?

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Yeah, absolutely. This comes from the idea of fluency in

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any language because astrology to me, it's just another language

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that we're speaking. And I promise you, if you go

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to an astrological convention, you'll be like, what are these

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people saying? Because they're all speaking to each other in astrology. essentially, right?

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And I came from being a language learner and a polyglot.

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And so along the way, I realized that I could

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pick up certain words in the beginning of learning a

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target language. And, you know, that's great because you can

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let people know you're trying or kind of engage a

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little bit. But without getting more sentence structure or understanding

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how to build the conversation, you cannot build connection and

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fluency together. with other people in that language. And astrology

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is exactly the same. Every piece of that chart or

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every piece of what we work with is a piece

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of the sentence structure, is a piece of the grammatical

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flow and how we are having the conversation about what's

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happening in the chart. And then eventually, it becomes the

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place where you're fluent enough and you can read and

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speak and write these things to connect with another human being.

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And to make it make sense and to have that

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back and forth closeness of conversation.

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It's funny you bring up, you know, learning enough to

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kind of get by because that's kind of how I've

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gone through life is like I was in Spanish class,

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but I only got enough and vaguely understand the conversation.

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I actually learned Italian when my wife and I went

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to Sicily because I wanted to at least be able

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to say a couple of things or do something.

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Yeah.

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Uh, now is it saying themselves in like, like when you,

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when you, uh, you spoke good night, you're going to

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be in Australia. I mean, when I heard of them,

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I understand. Yeah. It's exactly the.

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Same.

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It's exactly the same. And for me, I think that

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whatever the language is and whatever your purpose is for

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using it, a little bit of the language goes a

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long way. A little bit of astrology goes a long

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way because even understanding the different signs or the different

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planets that are in conversation in your chart or your

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child's chart or your spouse's chart, this can change the

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dynamic of conversation in your home in general because the

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way we're going to teach and treat each other and

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grant grace to each other around things becomes easier to

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do because we understand the language that we're speaking. Now,

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I mean, of course, at higher levels, if you want

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to be doing Spanish literature, just being able to order

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a coffee is not going to get it done. And

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astrology is very much so the same way. So If

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all you have the capacity for is to understand the

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sun signs in your home or in your life, that

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is going to do a lot for you. And as

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you go on and on and on, and you're able

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to build this fluency in this conversation, you can tell

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more and get more nuanced into what is happening in

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a chart or to what is happening in the sky.

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No, I know.

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It's just.

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Short, but then.

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We're talking about where the planets were by the Western

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sky at the time that you were born. Now, one

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thing to know is that in Western astrology, we followed

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the seasons, right? As opposed to if you're listening to

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one of our Jyotish practitioners or one of our practitioners

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of light, or they're called Vedic astrologers to some people,

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They are following the constellations, right? So you're going to

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see that depending on the type of astrology, because astrology

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has different types as well, but depending on the type

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of astrology that you're doing, you're going to see that

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the planets are in different places depending on the system.

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But that is exactly what we're talking about is where

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were the planets at at the time that you were born?

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In your snapshot of the sky, where was Saturn? Where

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was the sun? What generation were you under? Under Pluto.

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We want to know all of these things because it's

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like a guitar string. It's like the way I try

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to describe it is that, you know, if you strum

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a particular string on a guitar, everything that is in

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that vibration and on that string is going to resonate.

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It's going to move. It's going to have a certain

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sound or it'll be pronounced a certain way. And it

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is the same thing when we look in an astrologer. chart.

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We know that people who were born under Pluto and Leo,

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they're going to have a similar mentality because they came

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up in a generational time, you know, where the ideas

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and ideals were the same. So we want to understand

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how does that shape the conversation? but it is, in fact, Wastato,

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the actual planets and where they were at the time

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of your birth.

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Actually, like, the input of birth.

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Yeah, absolutely. Where it's at will depend the houses. Tell

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us which area of your chart or which department of

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life your planets are putting a lot of emphasis on. Um,

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so it won't necessarily matter where it's at in the chart.

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It's more so understanding what the planet is trying to convey.

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So we can just go through the planets really quick

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if that's okay. Um, So the sun, of course, most

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people know their sun sign. And the sun is the

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planet in your chart that is saying, I am. This

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is me. This is how I want to express myself.

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This is how I want to be seen and what

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I want to be known for. So there is a

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huge presence of the sun. And if we think about

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it planetarily, the sun does not hang out in the background.

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And it's like, oh, I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking

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about being the sun today, right? Where the sun is

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at in your chart, you want to and you will

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shine in some kind of spotlight like that. When we're

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talking about the moon, this is more about how I feel,

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how I react, what I need emotionally to nourish me

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and to make me feel safe and secure. So depending

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on the sign placement of your moon, you may get

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your filling your security and nourishment cup filled very different

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than maybe a sibling does, right? Mercury is our planet

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of communication and of the mind. So wherever Mercury is

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at in your chart, sign, and house, this is where

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and how you communicate. You disseminate information. You gather it.

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You process the information. It's also where you may, depending

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on what sign it's in, have the ability to be

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a little bit more double-sided, where you're very much so

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this way, but you're also very much so this way.

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But Mercury essentially handles our communication. When we get to Venus,

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Venus is how we love. It's how we attract things

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to us, what we really value so that we know

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what to call and to magnetize to us based on

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our own deep values. And it is also the way

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that we give and share affection or create harmony around us.

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You know, Who were you in your family when there

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was conflict? We would look at your Venus. Straight away,

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I'd look at your Venus to see how did you

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behave to try to keep harmony in that space. Mars

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is our action planet. Wherever Mars is at, you have

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boots on the ground. You're in action. You're in motion.

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You have a deep desire to go directly at one

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thing because it's what you desire. So you're going to

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go that particular direction. So I just like to call Mars,

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Mars is your I'm going to get it done planet.

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Whether that means I'm going to get it done by,

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you know, just taking a tactical practical action or I'm

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going to get it done by creating conflict so that

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we can get into the action that needs to be done.

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Then we get to Jupiter and Jupiter is our base

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planet that we've got going. And Jupiter is about wisdom.

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It's our wisdom planet. It wants to expand what it's

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next to because it wants you to grow. It wants

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you to see something from a different perspective, take it

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beyond the horizon. But there's a lot of wisdom that

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comes with Jupiter because you've had to have experience to

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learn Jupiter's lessons, right? So with Jupiter, the only way

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to get the wisdom is through the experience. And the

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experience is not always our favorite, but it's not always

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terrible either. Then we get to Saturn. And Saturn is

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about boundaries. It's about crystallization, putting a construction or a

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frame or boundaries around something. Saturn is also our master

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of time. So many very, very important life events that

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happen for all of us, provided you don't die, of course,

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are going to be happening on Saturn cycles. Because Saturn

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is our timekeeper and it wants your maturity. And it's hard.

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Saturn can be hard because You can't be immature when

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you're dealing with your Saturnian energy. You'll need to take

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some action to really step into responsibility and then hold it.

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When we get to Uranus, Saturn's created all of this

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beautiful structure and Uranus is like, break it down. Let's

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break down all of those boundaries. I want to go

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beyond that. What else is there? And I always laugh

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because this is my favorite example of Uranus, one of many.

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But it's like if you build a Starbucks, right? You've

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got the cute restaurant, the cafe, that's very good. And

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then you have the structure of Saturn there. The business

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is running. And then Uranus goes, we'll break all this down.

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What else? Let's go up. Let's build a rooftop terrace.

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I want to see what else is up there. So

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where Uranus is at in the chart, we're looking for

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some kind of liberation. We want to do it different.

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us where Uranus is at as well. Then we have

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Neptune that dissolves the boundaries of things and moves us

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in between two different worlds, the world of what is

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tangible and we can hold on to and what is

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intangible that we create in the ethers. In the Neptunian vibration,

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we get a vision for something. Let's say it's a chair, right?

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At some point, some people were like, sitting on this

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floor sucks. And so they had a vision, there's got

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to be some other way for us to sit. And

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it was just created in the ether first, and then

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it became a tangible reality. And now we've got chairs

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all over the place. So in Neptune, we literally dissolve

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the boundaries to move into the ether and then bring

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it into the tangible space. And Pluto, which is our

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smallest planet and one furthest away that we work with,

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Pluto is about destruction, but it's also about empowerment. What

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Pluto touches, it transforms because it will tear it down

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and says, this has to die off so that the

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next best fitting version can live here. Pluto also moves

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so slow through our zodiac that we have generations that

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fall under Pluto, which is also the same for Neptune

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and for Uranus. So these are your planets that we're

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working with and seeing how they are speaking to us

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in the chart. The very first thing I would tell

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you to do if you grabbed your chart today, you

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had no idea what this thing is, is honestly the

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first thing I would tell you to do is look

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to the top to make sure your name, your birthday,

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your time of birth, and your place is correct. Because

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oftentimes this is such a basic thing, but people will

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grab their chart and they don't realize that they were

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born at 3 o'clock, but they accidentally put in 3.15.

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Birth charts change every four minutes. So that is quite

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a different chart. So I would tell you to first

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of all, make sure your data and information is correct.

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From there, I would tell you to look at your

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wheel and look directly to the left because the sign

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that is directly to the left is gonna tell us

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what your ascendant or your rising sign is. And this

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is the sign that we grow into Certainly as we

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get older, but we use it kind of as the gatekeeper.

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People meet us here first. You know, my rising sign

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is Virgo. So half the time when people meet me

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or they see something that I'm doing that's very public,

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it's very well put together. Like it is just very

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well put together because I thought of the details, all

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of these things, right? But this is kind of my gatekeeper.

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I'm not very Virgoan in every other area of my life.

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I'm a Taurus. And I'm very Taurian. Oh, my God.

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If you come to my house, you're going to be like,

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this place is a spa. Because it is.

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Now, I've always heard that, like, I have rising signs,

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descending signs. What does that actually mean when it comes

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to Zipu Bertra? If you're born in a Z sign,

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you need to be ascending.

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Yeah, sure.

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So we're just following, we're just tracking the planets across

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the sky, right? So when we're talking about, we're using

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the word as your ascendant, but when we're calling it

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your rising sign, what's happening is that this is the

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sign that was rising, literally rising onto the world at

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the time that you were born. Because the outside wheel,

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the zodiac wheel, rotates. The inner wheel, which you'll see

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if you have your chart, is your housing wheel, and

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this does not move at all. So this is how

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you can be an absolutely different rising sign than your

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sibling or your husband or, you know, whatever. Or somebody

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who is born on the same day, relatively close to

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your time, but maybe it's an hour or so separated.

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You guys can still have the same sun sign and

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have a completely different rising sign, moon sign, things like this.

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Because it's just about what was rising at the hour

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and the minute that the time was you were born.

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And it's rising, it just was rising there over the

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eastern horizon and then here you came.

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Absolutely. Because the planets are the what is going on, right?

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The planets will tell us what is going on. Let's

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say it's Mercury. Mercury is telling us something in your

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communication space and dynamic is happening and unfolding and trying

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to express itself. But how? How? Mercury needs a vehicle

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to do this. How is it going to get that done?

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So if you are a Virgo rising or a Gemini rising,

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you have Mercury … as your planetary chart ruler. So

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it's the ruler of your rising sign, right? So we

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would likely see that you are someone who does quite

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a bit of expression. We would see you in public,

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whether it's speaking, whether it's writing, or someone who just

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talks with their hands. You know, mercurial people love to

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talk with their hands. So we would be looking for

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that kind of expression. As opposed to, let's say that

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you have a Mercury in Scorpio. as you're at your

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rising sign. Scorpio is, let's change this around, that Scorpio

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is your ascending sign. Then your planetary rulers are going

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to be Mars and Pluto. This is going to be

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a different kind of feel that we're going to have.

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This person may be very friendly, very, you know, okay

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out here, but it's going to be a person who's

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likely a lot more observant than a person who is

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a lot more chatty, right? So you get this different

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feel based on which sign is in which position, how

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they're going to govern that particular space and help those

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planets make that expression. You know, my Mercury is in Gemini.

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So again, it's very chatty. It's very, it's comfortable because

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Mercury rolls Gemini. So it's very, very chatty. However, my

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husband's Mercury is in Aries. So literally I have to,

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when he is saying something or he is speaking, I

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have to kind of watch how he's saying that or

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where I'm positioning my body because Aries does not express

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in a friendly, flitty kind of way. Aries just does

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what it's saying. It's just very direct. This is what

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I'm saying. This is what I'm doing. I'm going after

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one thing, right? Because it's ruled by Mars. So then

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we get a combination essentially of Mercury and Mars coming

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together to express something. So this is a cool thing

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to learn. If you want to be in partnership with

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any other human beings on this planet, learning about their

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Mercury sign may help you.

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A whole bunch. That paper, I'm jamming. And then you

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think you, I got to use rice to the point

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that for my house. So the app is, is all

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your personality is. I've always slipped acidity by that.

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Does, does the astral chart actually, Help explain that a

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little bit more.

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Absolutely. I mean, it's got its main components, which are

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going to be the planets, the signs, the houses, and

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the aspects. These are how we figure out what's going

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on in there in the first place and how they're

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having a conversation with one another, right? But it does

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help us get some idea of the archetypes. Like if

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someone has a moon, right, their emotions, their security, what's

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going to make them feel safe when they're engaging and nourishing?

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or how they're going to react. If they have a

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moon that's in the vibration of cancer, the moon rules cancer.

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It's very comfortable. They're likely to be a little bit

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more of a homebody. They need family and these kinds

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of things are going to be really important to them. Roots,

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you know, and this would be important to know because

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if you have a partner or you have, you know,

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a business associate or a child who's got a moon

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in cancer, And you say, okay, we're going to just

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redecorate the house or we have to move or we

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have to change office. This allows us to have a

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bit of grace with each other because what this will

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mean for an entirely this human being will be a

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different experience than it's going to be for, you know,

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the person who's got a moon in Aries who's like, yeah,

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whip it up. Let's go. We're going over here. And

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this is a way that I try to bring astrology

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into our lives is to give each other grace and

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to give each other a little bit more kindness and space,

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but also to understand ourselves. My youngest, my oldest daughter

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has a mood and cancer. And oh my gosh, like

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when we moved, it was the end of the world.

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And she's like, I know intellectually this is not the

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end of the world. And she was like, she could just,

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you could see it. You know, she was really trying

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to process that. As opposed to, though, you know, you

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have somebody who has a moon in Virgo. They may

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want things to be tidy. They may be very, very

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concerned about their health and their mental health and their wellness.

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These things can be concepts that we can help explain

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with astrology or see why it might be important or

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impacting someone.

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Now, you can catch a howl out of these facts.

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That's very other likely.

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Not completely differently. That's not ever been my experience that

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if two people are having the same planetary aspect that

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it's 100% different. Now, we need to be really super

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clear here. You can have twins who are born just

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minutes apart, and those ones are literally having the same

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planetary aspect and probably to the same houses in that

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chart as well. So this is as close to having

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the same planetary aspect as that question can truly get

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in astrology. But they, even them, they can experience it

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differently depending on where they are in their own development

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of either one of the signs or the aspects that

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are being asked of them. So let's say that you

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have someone who's got a sun square Mars aspect that's happening, right?

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Let's do sun square Saturn. That's easier to explain, I think.

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So for one person, that square, which is an aspect

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of tension, which is telling them they need to do something,

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and Saturn is telling their personhood, you've got to grow

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up or you've got to take responsibility for this or

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we're coming to the next level of maturity, right? For

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one person, that might feel great. And they are really

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comfortable working with Saturn. They've been doing some work behind

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the scenes. So they're ready to step up to that

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next place of development. For the other person, it could

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feel like a shock where they're like, I don't want

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to take this responsibility on. This is hard. This feels heavy.

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Things like that can be the difference in the expression.

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For almost any other people in the world, uh, You

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may be having the same planetary aspect, but what house

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it's happening in for you, culture, conditioning, these things will

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also change how you experience the dynamic. But it won't

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necessarily be 100% different because the planets are still just

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asking the same questions. Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I guess I'm just going to understand. process well i'm

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like saying it's actually something i've never heard of so

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i'm so i'm like that you know that question does.

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It yeah yeah.

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All right. We are at our stormy grace. Now, something

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that I found fascinating about the title of the book

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is A Comparative Guide to Natal and Transit Astrology. What

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is that?

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So, yeah.

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So your natal astrology is just what's going on in

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your natal chart at the time that you were born

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when you get your birth chart that's your natal chart

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so we want to see what is the conversation being

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had in that chart between the planets um at the

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00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:53.309
time that you were born and so those planets are

478
00:29:53.349 --> 00:29:55.329
never going to move they're not going to move on

479
00:29:55.390 --> 00:29:57.549
that's it this is the snapshot so we're going to

480
00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:00.299
look at what chords and notes they're playing and And

481
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.259
what is the baseline of the conversation to kind of

482
00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:06.400
sort out what it is you're doing here or how

483
00:30:06.460 --> 00:30:11.119
you can develop. But we'll have transiting planets. Like, you know,

484
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.599
we were born and the sky did not stop, which

485
00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:19.319
is a surprise to some. But those planets kept moving on.

486
00:30:19.339 --> 00:30:22.420
And the planets that are in current motion and cycle,

487
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.480
these are called our transiting planets. And transiting planets, as

488
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.240
they're moving around and they're going on and they're wherever

489
00:30:29.299 --> 00:30:32.799
they are in their orbit, and they make contact with

490
00:30:33.019 --> 00:30:36.839
something in your chart, one of your natal planets or

491
00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:40.880
your natal angles or something like this, this is what

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00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.009
we call a transit. And that has a different set

493
00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:52.069
of aspects as well. Now, the aspects themselves in baseline, square, opposition, conjunction,

494
00:30:52.109 --> 00:30:55.609
they all mean the same things. But when you are

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00:30:55.650 --> 00:30:58.230
looking at your natal chart, this is what it is.

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00:30:58.250 --> 00:31:00.950
This is the story. You're likely going to hear these

497
00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:03.950
songs and these themes over and over and over again

498
00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:11.079
in your life. But a transiting planet will bring events, actions, people,

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00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:16.940
circumstances into your life under a particular aspect. And then

500
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.619
they move on. They move on when they're done. So

501
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.299
you won't play that tune forever. You know, Jupiter comes

502
00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:31.789
to each sign once every 12 years. So if transiting

503
00:31:31.869 --> 00:31:34.410
Jupiter is in Leo right now and it's having a

504
00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:38.450
conversation with your son that is in Leo, first of all,

505
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:41.819
it'll do it for just a few weeks and then

506
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.980
it's going to start to move on. And by the

507
00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:46.680
end of the year, it's going to be gone and

508
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.599
into Virgo. So you're done with that storyline. The other

509
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.759
reason it's cool to understand this is you can pattern track.

510
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.559
We can pattern track our own lives and stories. So

511
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:02.650
with my Jupiter and Leo example, Jupiter is in Leo51200:32:02.690 --> 00:32:06.490



right now. But if we back up 12 years ago51300:32:07.109 --> 00:32:10.529



and I say, okay, Justin, Jupiter was in the same51400:32:10.569 --> 00:32:12.779



place 12 years ago that it is now. Tell me51500:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.740



about what was happening. What was going on for you?51600:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.359



Because you had the same theme. You've already been here.51700:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.160



You've already been here. What are you doing? And now51800:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.940



we can apply a bit more wisdom to it to51900:32:23.980 --> 00:32:28.009



help you use that transiting time a bit better and52000:32:28.069 --> 00:32:30.829



see what other aspects are also being made to other52100:32:30.930 --> 00:32:34.289



transiting planets in the sky that can help or hinder52200:32:34.329 --> 00:32:34.970



the vibration.52300:32:38.349 --> 00:32:41.720



How long can the effects of a transit last?52400:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.650



It depends on the speed of the planet. right? So52500:32:46.839 --> 00:32:51.099



if it is a transit by the moon, it's going52600:32:51.140 --> 00:32:54.099



to last a few hours because the moon moves very quickly.52700:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.079



It gets through signs every two and a half days.52800:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.529



It's moved on, okay? But if you're having a Pluto52900:33:02.650 --> 00:33:05.390



transit to something in your chart, Pluto is going to53000:33:05.430 --> 00:33:08.609



be in place for months and months and months. And realistically,53100:33:08.650 --> 00:33:11.269



it would be not a stretch to say you're going53200:33:11.289 --> 00:33:15.569



to absolutely spend a year or more working on that53300:33:15.670 --> 00:33:21.099



particular energy because Pluto moves so incredibly slow. Now, if53400:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.099



it's a Mercury transit, maybe three weeks. You're going to53500:33:24.140 --> 00:33:26.000



get maybe three weeks out of it. If it's a53600:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.599



Sun transit, you're going to get four weeks out of it.53700:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.700



If you're going to get a Saturn transit, you're going53800:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.920



to get in total, it'll be in that sign for53900:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.680



two and a half years, but you're probably going to54000:33:36.700 --> 00:33:39.569



really work on it for a year, maybe six months.54100:33:40.089 --> 00:33:43.450



So it just depends on the actual speed of the54200:33:43.519 --> 00:33:48.359



planet and then where your planets are in your natal54300:33:48.380 --> 00:33:53.019



chart to see how long they're going to have the conversation. Okay.54400:33:54.019 --> 00:33:55.900



But for this moon, it's like speed dating.54500:33:55.920 --> 00:34:06.680



Okay. Now, do faster moving planets tend to affect us54600:34:06.720 --> 00:34:12.860



differently than... something slower like Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto?54700:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.119



So they don't, they all affect us, right? It's the54800:34:19.179 --> 00:34:22.519



speed at which we realize how impacted we have been.54900:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.530



So the sun, the moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars, these are55000:34:27.570 --> 00:34:31.250



personal planets. So they're closer to us. So as they're55100:34:31.289 --> 00:34:36.369



doing something, we feel those vibrations quite quickly into our charts, right?55200:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.130



But then when you get to the outer planets, particularly Uranus, Neptune, Pluto,55300:34:42.269 --> 00:34:46.809



they move so slow that they will still have an impact.55400:34:46.949 --> 00:34:50.610



And it's usually a heavier impact because it's essentially got55500:34:50.630 --> 00:34:57.449



to get an entire deeply woven and ingrained set of55600:34:57.690 --> 00:35:03.059



ideas and ideals rearranged for us. So those take longer, right?55700:35:03.590 --> 00:35:05.949



They take longer. And I say that it's the gift55800:35:05.989 --> 00:35:08.550



of the universe because the universe is kind, that we55900:35:08.590 --> 00:35:13.869



get time to work on them, you know, to tell you, hey, listen,56000:35:13.889 --> 00:35:18.530



your entire identity needs to be burned to the ground56100:35:18.730 --> 00:35:24.250



as Pluto is in a conjunction with your son. Because56200:35:24.269 --> 00:35:27.469



the version of you that you're walking with right now56300:35:27.659 --> 00:35:31.199



can't carry the next greatness that you're going on to56400:35:31.300 --> 00:35:34.590



or the next storyline. If you had to do that56500:35:34.710 --> 00:35:40.429



all in three weeks, nobody would be still standing. I56600:35:40.449 --> 00:35:43.090



think we'd all just be dead, honestly, because it's such56700:35:43.230 --> 00:35:47.010



a tough internal thing to do this kind of shedding56800:35:47.030 --> 00:35:50.050



that the outer planets ask us for. The other reason56900:35:50.110 --> 00:35:53.949



it does this is because those are our generational and57000:35:54.030 --> 00:35:57.429



societal planets. So they're also, as they are moving and57100:35:57.469 --> 00:36:01.070



bringing a transit in, they don't need to just change us.57200:36:01.690 --> 00:36:04.530



they've got to change our fellow man with us as well.57300:36:04.590 --> 00:36:09.409



And we've all got to get busy getting there together. Right?57400:36:09.489 --> 00:36:15.929



So that's why it's particularly interesting to understand, um, how57500:36:16.090 --> 00:36:20.099



and how impactful or quickly you see the impact of57600:36:20.119 --> 00:36:21.980



the planets as they're moving around like this.57700:36:25.780 --> 00:36:31.239



Let me ask you this. Um, A lot of people57800:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.409



will base their life off of their astrological chart or57900:36:35.570 --> 00:36:39.550



even their zodiac sign. How much does free will have58000:36:39.610 --> 00:36:45.730



to do with that? Or is the astrological chart and58100:36:45.750 --> 00:36:49.829



the zodiac sign really how you know how your life's58200:36:49.849 --> 00:36:50.349



going to go?58300:36:51.389 --> 00:36:53.889



I think that people come from this in two different camps,58400:36:54.030 --> 00:36:56.030



for sure. There are the ones that are like, this58500:36:56.150 --> 00:36:58.860



is it. You get what you get. Don't throw a fit.58600:36:59.420 --> 00:37:04.840



Best wishes. And that's fine if that is what works.58700:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.280



I tend to think that it is a really good58800:37:08.340 --> 00:37:13.039



roadmap and free will is everywhere, right? Free will is left, right,58900:37:13.139 --> 00:37:15.639



and center. If you don't want to do something, don't59000:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.440



do it. If you want to try to become a59100:37:19.480 --> 00:37:23.559



different person, go for it. Go down that road. Where59200:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.159



I think that the chart is incredibly useful is to59300:37:27.300 --> 00:37:31.610



watch someone in their natural terrain and have a pretty59400:37:31.670 --> 00:37:36.590



good explanation for why or how they're doing what they're doing, right?59500:37:37.190 --> 00:37:41.750



But is there free will? A ton. However, I've not59600:37:41.889 --> 00:37:45.730



seen yet that I look at someone's chart and I59700:37:45.769 --> 00:37:47.590



look at what the nodes are doing and these are59800:37:47.610 --> 00:37:50.730



their destiny points. In evolutionary astrology, we're gonna look at59900:37:50.769 --> 00:37:52.590



what's the story you came from and what are you60000:37:52.610 --> 00:37:55.289



trying to move towards? This would be a lifetime's worth60100:37:55.349 --> 00:38:00.130



of work, right? I've not seen anybody go after anything60200:38:00.710 --> 00:38:04.469



other than their nodes. So I'm like, there's got to be,60300:38:04.550 --> 00:38:07.480



you know, I could still be mystified by it myself,60400:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.219



even as a practitioner seeing this every day, like all day,60500:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.639



to go, well, where's your free will? You know, instead60600:38:15.780 --> 00:38:19.690



of building businesses because you have a south node in Capricorn,60700:38:19.730 --> 00:38:22.869



why don't you just go, you know, be a teacher60800:38:23.190 --> 00:38:26.650



or something like this, like the Sagittarian vibration? And they60900:38:26.710 --> 00:38:31.219



just go towards it. And tend to struggle at the61000:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.739



North Node side to learn those lessons of it's not61100:38:33.780 --> 00:38:37.719



just what are you doing, but how are you feeling, right?61200:38:38.300 --> 00:38:42.639



So it's interesting to watch. I'm going to continue to61300:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.860



probably forever be watching this because I do know that61400:38:45.900 --> 00:38:47.820



there's free will. You can make your choices. You can61500:38:47.860 --> 00:38:50.400



make your decisions. The universe, I believe, would like you61600:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.579



to do so. But also, if the chart's not pretty accurate,61700:38:53.659 --> 00:38:55.820



why are you just doing all the chart things anyways?61800:38:57.659 --> 00:38:57.760



Right.61900:38:59.409 --> 00:39:05.360



So somewhere in there is where I land. But I62000:39:05.480 --> 00:39:11.159



also do a lot of consulting, live one-on-one consulting with people,62100:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.849



you know. And so I have gotten to see, first62200:39:16.869 --> 00:39:19.510



of all, I've gotten to see it play out that62300:39:19.530 --> 00:39:22.690



they just seem to live the chart. But I've also62400:39:22.730 --> 00:39:27.489



seen to the dark side of that. where people will62500:39:27.530 --> 00:39:32.030



put themselves in this box. where it's like, oh, my62600:39:32.110 --> 00:39:37.079



chart says that I'm, you know, a Pisces. I'm going62700:39:37.139 --> 00:39:40.500



to spend my life being a drug addict. I'm like, okay, listen,62800:39:40.780 --> 00:39:44.900



that's too much. That is not what That means at62900:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.460



all being a Pisces is not meaning you're going to63000:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.679



be synonymous with being a drug addict, right? Like go63100:39:50.699 --> 00:39:53.480



to any meeting, there's a little bit of all Zodiacs63200:39:53.539 --> 00:39:58.429



in there. But where does it create a space where63300:39:59.050 --> 00:40:02.389



like a person gets themselves locked into the story of63400:40:02.550 --> 00:40:04.530



this is who I am, this is all I am,63500:40:04.590 --> 00:40:06.590



this is all I have to offer on all I'll63600:40:06.630 --> 00:40:09.489



ever be? I've definitely seen the dark side of that63700:40:09.869 --> 00:40:13.250



as well. Is that the fault of astrology or is63800:40:13.289 --> 00:40:16.489



this something that is birthed in the individual for their work?63900:40:17.190 --> 00:40:19.550



Who can say? But I would say it's probably in64000:40:19.570 --> 00:40:19.889



the chart.64100:40:21.190 --> 00:40:24.969



Okay. Now, I mean, there's always going to be those64200:40:25.210 --> 00:40:29.409



skeptics out there about anything in the paranormal or anything64300:40:29.469 --> 00:40:35.360



that has to do with predicting the future. One criticism64400:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.699



of astrology is that descriptions can sometimes be broad enough64500:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.800



that almost everyone Anyone can identify with them. How do64600:40:43.840 --> 00:40:45.760



you respond to that question?64700:40:46.780 --> 00:40:51.980



I say I agree with you 110%. That is why64800:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.000



I think it is also really important that if you64900:40:55.099 --> 00:40:58.420



want to see the truth of what astrology has to offer,65000:40:58.860 --> 00:41:04.380



to give it a fair judgment, right? Come to the practice,65100:41:04.539 --> 00:41:07.769



the full practice of astrology. See what it is. And65200:41:07.929 --> 00:41:11.650



I love all astrologers. I will champion for astrologers left, right,65300:41:11.690 --> 00:41:15.550



and center. But we have sun sign astrologers where this65400:41:15.610 --> 00:41:17.690



is all they talk about is the sun being in65500:41:17.829 --> 00:41:21.170



particular signs and one of those characteristics. And they are65600:41:21.269 --> 00:41:24.840



speaking the language of astrology. So they have my full support.65700:41:25.110 --> 00:41:28.039



But if you want to know about your life and65800:41:28.059 --> 00:41:33.900



your unfoldings more deeply, this is where We need aspects.65900:41:33.980 --> 00:41:36.500



This is where we need secondary productions, and this is66000:41:36.539 --> 00:41:39.199



where we need training and skill to be able to66100:41:39.340 --> 00:41:43.070



actually walk you through it. If you come and you66200:41:43.150 --> 00:41:46.269



sit down with someone and you get the full experience66300:41:46.929 --> 00:41:50.190



of what astrology can really offer, and then you have66400:41:50.269 --> 00:41:52.849



the judgment against it that the words are too broad,66500:41:52.889 --> 00:41:56.940



that could have meant anything, then I'll be totally like66600:41:57.179 --> 00:41:58.840



on your side. I'll be like, yeah, okay, cool. That's66700:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.320



not going to work for you. That's very rare. What66800:42:02.500 --> 00:42:05.519



I see is that people will go to unskilled or66900:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.139



untrained astrologers, and then they do get a session of67000:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.679



a bunch of broad words, and that doesn't do anything.67100:42:13.920 --> 00:42:19.449



You know, astrology is a technical skill. It's not an67200:42:19.550 --> 00:42:23.489



intuitive skill. It's a technical skill. You may be intuitive67300:42:23.550 --> 00:42:25.769



and bring that to the table, but if you go67400:42:25.849 --> 00:42:29.909



to see someone who is identifying as an astrologer, and67500:42:29.949 --> 00:42:32.369



they can't prove the timing or they can't prove the67600:42:32.449 --> 00:42:36.130



cycle or they can't show you the three technical skills67700:42:36.170 --> 00:42:39.769



they're using to show you why they came to that conclusion,67800:42:40.230 --> 00:42:43.510



you will stay skeptical. You just will because there's nothing67900:42:43.570 --> 00:42:47.519



to be but skeptical then. But commence it with someone68000:42:47.579 --> 00:42:52.940



who's really pulling the chart apart and then also engaging68100:42:52.980 --> 00:42:55.820



you in the conversation of your journey of your life,68200:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.679



looking into timing forward and back. And I think you'll go, okay,68300:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.829



I'm slightly less skeptical. Or maybe you won't, you know?68400:43:06.849 --> 00:43:10.610



Well, I mean, people say the same thing about, you know,68500:43:10.650 --> 00:43:15.969



tarot readings and stuff too. And that it's the reader's68600:43:16.010 --> 00:43:20.039



interpretation of what they're seeing. Is that the same for68700:43:20.079 --> 00:43:26.599



astrology where it's the reader? astrologist interpreting what everything means68800:43:26.679 --> 00:43:31.079



or is there like exact meaning in everything that comes68900:43:31.139 --> 00:43:33.900



to your astrological chart? It's a mix.69000:43:34.019 --> 00:43:37.250



It's truly a mix. I mean, in a more exact way,69100:43:37.349 --> 00:43:41.030



depending on which branch of astrology you are practicing, because69200:43:41.090 --> 00:43:44.190



astrology has many different branches. I like to relate it69300:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.449



to medicine. Like we're all doctors. Everybody knows CPR and69400:43:47.469 --> 00:43:50.360



we know the body, but like what we specialize in69500:43:50.760 --> 00:43:59.530



is different, right? So depending on the branch that you're using,69600:44:00.690 --> 00:44:06.010



you may come to the expression of a particular planet69700:44:06.210 --> 00:44:09.750



in a different way, but we all are going to go, okay,69800:44:09.769 --> 00:44:12.710



this is a Mars transit. We're going to look for action.69900:44:12.730 --> 00:44:14.210



We're going to look for motion. We're going to look70000:44:14.250 --> 00:44:17.610



for these things, right? And in this way is where70100:44:17.639 --> 00:44:23.070



it becomes trackable and technical. Because in some way, we70200:44:23.190 --> 00:44:28.789



all know what's going on in particular vibrations or what's70300:44:28.829 --> 00:44:33.329



happening when someone is like, you know, in a particular70400:44:33.469 --> 00:44:36.710



season of life, which those we also track with the70500:44:36.769 --> 00:44:42.300



planets as well. Now, I cannot speak to numerology and70600:44:42.340 --> 00:44:44.840



to tarot because I don't practice either of them and70700:44:45.119 --> 00:44:52.119



I never have. So whether or not they have a technical... basis,70800:44:53.539 --> 00:44:55.960



compared to astrology, I don't really have the answer for that.70900:44:56.019 --> 00:45:02.400



I'd be interested to know. But in what I've observed,71000:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.099



it seems a bit more intuitive. But that may not be,71100:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.309



you know, accurate at all. But in astrology, yeah, for sure.71200:45:10.150 --> 00:45:12.050



You say the sun, you say Mars, you say Pluto,71300:45:12.070 --> 00:45:15.010



you say there's a square. A bunch of astrologers are71400:45:15.030 --> 00:45:18.949



going to go, oh, here's in the vicinity of what71500:45:18.969 --> 00:45:19.690



we're talking about.71600:45:21.340 --> 00:45:23.250



I mean, it's kind of the same for tarot. I mean,71700:45:24.809 --> 00:45:28.849



I've studied tarot for many, many years, and it really71800:45:28.889 --> 00:45:35.630



has to do with the overall picture that the tarot71900:45:35.670 --> 00:45:43.320



reading is showing you. You know, each card has an72000:45:43.380 --> 00:45:48.920



explanation of what it represents. It is up to the72100:45:49.099 --> 00:45:53.019



tarot reader to kind of put the entire story together.72200:45:53.539 --> 00:45:57.000



So it very much seems like astrology and tarot can72300:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.030



be very similar in that regard. You're looking at the72400:46:01.090 --> 00:46:06.190



full aspect, not just one specific piece of the puzzle.72500:46:08.329 --> 00:46:11.320



At times. And then other times... you know, people will72600:46:11.340 --> 00:46:13.079



come to us and they're like, I really need to72700:46:13.139 --> 00:46:16.420



know about my health. And so we're going very specifically72800:46:16.460 --> 00:46:19.900



into the chart, but I think tarot does this as well, right?72900:46:19.940 --> 00:46:22.090



If somebody comes and they have a specific question.73000:46:22.179 --> 00:46:23.289



Okay.73100:46:24.849 --> 00:46:26.769



So we'll all stay at the metaphysical fair.73200:46:32.130 --> 00:46:34.909



And I mean, that's where you find most of the stuff, uh,73300:46:34.989 --> 00:46:40.739



you know, paranormal convention, metaphysical fair, um, metaphysical shops, stuff73400:46:40.760 --> 00:46:46.880



like that. And I've always loved a good tarot reading,73500:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.280



or I would love to have my astrological chart done73600:46:50.300 --> 00:46:55.429



because I've never had it done. Astrologer.73700:46:56.190 --> 00:46:56.449



Okay.73800:46:57.010 --> 00:47:08.579



I do too, now. Now, has there ever been... a73900:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.780



point where you've encountered something in a chart that, that74000:47:11.820 --> 00:47:16.780



made you stop and go, okay, that's pretty remarkable or74100:47:16.820 --> 00:47:19.949



that's fascinating or wow, that's kind of weird.74200:47:22.630 --> 00:47:25.750



Yes. I've had a couple experiences with that as a74300:47:25.750 --> 00:47:28.909



matter of fact, and one of them was less about,74400:47:30.010 --> 00:47:34.079



it was about the chart, but it was also about74500:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.960



like kind of an imprint I got when reading the chart,74600:47:37.019 --> 00:47:40.010



which doesn't, Happened to me often. I'm able to keep74700:47:40.050 --> 00:47:42.949



a fair amount of distance from, you know, whatever chart74800:47:42.969 --> 00:47:44.829



that it is that I'm reading and just look at74900:47:44.869 --> 00:47:47.130



what the chart is trying to say. But it was75000:47:47.190 --> 00:47:50.670



so much so that I needed to put the chart75100:47:50.730 --> 00:47:54.369



down and actually ask the client if I could share75200:47:54.590 --> 00:47:58.090



their chart with my teacher. And I took the chart75300:47:58.110 --> 00:48:00.840



to my teacher and I'm like, here's my three technical75400:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.099



things that I'm seeing. to be able to prove what75500:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.179



it is that I'm saying. And here's what's coming through75600:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.159



for me. As I look at this, I would love75700:48:09.420 --> 00:48:12.400



your feedback. You know, she's got more years in the75800:48:12.460 --> 00:48:15.940



game than me, all of these kinds of things. And75900:48:16.860 --> 00:48:20.179



in that way, it was a really nice like kind of, okay, yep,76000:48:20.610 --> 00:48:23.829



we see exactly where you're coming from. Here's another way76100:48:23.909 --> 00:48:26.250



to look at that. So it was a nice redirect76200:48:26.369 --> 00:48:28.409



for me, but it was shocking. You know, this was76300:48:28.469 --> 00:48:30.769



a person who had just had a baby and in76400:48:30.860 --> 00:48:34.960



the chart it was showing, um, uh, something really strong76500:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.389



happening with one of the other parents and strong and sudden.76600:48:39.610 --> 00:48:43.130



And so it was a bit alarming as well, you know,76700:48:43.190 --> 00:48:46.630



because the people had called and they gave me their, um,76800:48:47.530 --> 00:48:49.369



baby's birth time. I think the baby had only been76900:48:49.429 --> 00:48:52.250



born for like four hours or something like that.77000:48:52.710 --> 00:48:53.030



Yeah.77100:48:53.250 --> 00:48:54.730



So it was like, you know what I mean? So77200:48:54.750 --> 00:48:56.829



it was like, okay, that's really cool because in that77300:48:56.889 --> 00:48:59.429



way we get to welcome little travelers to the world77400:48:59.489 --> 00:49:02.239



and kind of see them from the beginning and through77500:49:02.260 --> 00:49:06.059



the journey. But it was also quite shocking. Now I've seen, um,77600:49:06.940 --> 00:49:11.000



other things in the chart where I do go, that's interesting.77700:49:12.019 --> 00:49:17.550



Mostly what it is is that it'll be like, in77800:49:17.590 --> 00:49:22.329



a month. I'll have the same pattern or configuration of77900:49:22.389 --> 00:49:25.369



people who I'm working with or who are coming in78000:49:25.530 --> 00:49:28.309



or have questions about something in their chart. And this78100:49:28.469 --> 00:49:31.989



always fascinates me. It just always fascinates me because it's78200:49:32.010 --> 00:49:37.639



like clearly this planetary combination or vibration is really getting78300:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.659



people's attention. You know, and they'll be born at different78400:49:40.699 --> 00:49:43.019



times of the year. They don't know each other, all78500:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.239



of these things. And then it's like, whoop, okay. You know,78600:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.619



Saturn and Neptune want to be heard right now. So78700:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.719



they're making themselves really very known. Other than that, in78800:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.420



charts in general, I think all charts are good charts.78900:49:57.739 --> 00:50:00.699



And I've never seen anything that just stopped me in79000:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.489



my tracks to be like, wow, this is an extra,79100:50:03.969 --> 00:50:08.190



extra special chart. Extra marshmallows for you.79200:50:13.110 --> 00:50:17.929



Now, what's one thing that you wish everyone understood about79300:50:18.050 --> 00:50:18.710



their birth chart?79400:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.019



One, that they have it, that they have it. There's help.79500:50:26.219 --> 00:50:29.239



You know what I mean? Like I have learned I'm79600:50:29.239 --> 00:50:33.480



44 now, which I love, by the way. And there's79700:50:33.519 --> 00:50:37.449



a fair amount of like breathing that goes on in79800:50:37.469 --> 00:50:42.489



the human experience. Just breathing. re-rallying the troops, whether they79900:50:42.530 --> 00:50:46.869



be physical, mental, spiritual, financial, whatever. There's a lot of80000:50:46.969 --> 00:50:52.590



breathing that happens. And in those moments, I wish people80100:50:52.789 --> 00:50:56.239



to know that they have a chart that it's like,80200:50:56.519 --> 00:51:01.519



hold on, you can look. Astrology does much of what80300:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.820



many other disciplines do. We just typically do it faster80400:51:06.820 --> 00:51:09.559



because we're going to look at the chart and go, ah,80500:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.840



you've got a lot of pressure being put on your80600:51:13.900 --> 00:51:19.130



moon right now by this other planet. Tell me about that.80700:51:19.909 --> 00:51:25.150



Tell me your experience, right? And oftentimes we're speaking our80800:51:25.210 --> 00:51:28.289



charts anyways, even if you never knew you had a chart.80900:51:29.130 --> 00:51:32.260



To a trained astrologer, if you're coming around and you're saying,81000:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.699



I feel like I'm just losing all my words today.81100:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.550



I'm so frustrated. I feel like I just, Can't remember81200:51:37.570 --> 00:51:39.469



what I'm saying. Can't remember where I'm going. Or like81300:51:39.530 --> 00:51:42.300



the thought comes and it floats right off. An astrologer81400:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.280



is going to go, well, let's see what Neptune's doing81500:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.239



in your chart. And likely Neptune is somewhere in a81600:51:48.300 --> 00:51:51.780



conversation to your Mercury. So you didn't even know what81700:51:51.820 --> 00:51:54.099



was there, but we would. So this is what I81800:51:54.119 --> 00:51:55.550



want people to know is that you have a little81900:51:55.610 --> 00:51:59.130



map to help you the very best that it can.82000:51:59.670 --> 00:52:01.510



And even if you never get to the point where82100:52:01.530 --> 00:52:04.289



you are reading that map with the level of proficiency82200:52:04.349 --> 00:52:07.489



and fluency that I am reading that at, If you82300:52:07.530 --> 00:52:09.530



can look at your own chart and say, I have82400:52:09.590 --> 00:52:13.130



a moon that is in Libra. What does that mean82500:52:13.190 --> 00:52:16.409



for me? And how do I help fill my security82600:52:16.429 --> 00:52:19.239



and nurturing cup? What are the things that I can82700:52:19.300 --> 00:52:22.820



take on? You know, or my daughter has a moon82800:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.159



in Leo. How can I support that? This is the thing.82900:52:27.380 --> 00:52:30.519



We have a helping tool. They say, you know, kids83000:52:30.539 --> 00:52:33.619



are not born with instruction manuals. And I'm like, incorrect.83100:52:34.880 --> 00:52:43.030



Literal incorrect. You know, if you captured that time and date,83200:52:43.289 --> 00:52:47.489



we can do a lot with that. And it turns83300:52:47.570 --> 00:52:52.309



out adults keep their instruction manuals as we go along.83400:52:52.349 --> 00:52:54.190



So I just want people to know that the journey83500:52:54.230 --> 00:52:57.449



can be really full and really fun and easier. And83600:52:57.489 --> 00:53:00.320



you can know some of the timing of challenge. You know,83700:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.099



help yourself have a leg up while we're doing this83800:53:03.159 --> 00:53:03.780



wild thing.83900:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.320



Now, I'm going to put you on the spot here.84000:53:09.849 --> 00:53:14.409



after everything you've experienced and studied, what do you believe84100:53:14.449 --> 00:53:15.670



happens when we die?84200:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.420



I think a lot of things happen when we die.84300:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.880



I think it depends on, you know, what you believe84400:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.380



happens when you die. I'm an evolutionary astrologer, so my84500:53:28.500 --> 00:53:36.789



predisposition is to come to the table in a reincarnationist attitude,84600:53:37.170 --> 00:53:40.349



something like this. So I tend to think we get84700:53:40.389 --> 00:53:44.969



the opportunity or are offered the opportunity at the reincarnation84800:53:45.010 --> 00:53:47.150



booth to say, do we want to come back in?84900:53:48.050 --> 00:53:49.489



Do we not want to come back in? Do we85000:53:49.510 --> 00:53:52.269



learn it? Do we still need time to process when85100:53:52.510 --> 00:53:55.159



we leave? Do we go back and hang out in85200:53:55.179 --> 00:53:58.239



the great source? You know, I think there are a85300:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.679



lot of things that happen when we die. And it85400:54:01.699 --> 00:54:06.039



will just depend on what you believe in, where you're…85500:54:06.909 --> 00:54:12.929



where your predispositions for life and death lie. But ultimately,85600:54:12.949 --> 00:54:15.570



I think we go back to the source and we85700:54:15.590 --> 00:54:19.309



get an opportunity to decide what to do next.85800:54:23.219 --> 00:54:25.519



Well, it is about that time to let you go.85900:54:25.699 --> 00:54:27.219



So I wanted to give you the chance to tell86000:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.860



everybody where they can find you, find your work. The86100:54:29.880 --> 00:54:30.480



mic's all yours.86200:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.260



Yeah, absolutely. You can come and visit me at stormygrace.com.86300:54:34.909 --> 00:54:37.460



which is my website and all of the goods and86400:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.179



goodies that I offer are there. And I spend a86500:54:41.079 --> 00:54:45.440



lot of time on YouTube. So like you can come86600:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.420



over to YouTube because I promise you I'm over there.86700:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.559



And then of course, if you're on the website or86800:54:52.099 --> 00:54:54.619



you are on YouTube, I'm typically announcing if I'm going86900:54:54.699 --> 00:54:57.300



to be teaching live someplace where there's an event or87000:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.550



something that's going on. And you can find me on87100:55:00.570 --> 00:55:02.630



your bookshelf if you have my book, which would be87200:55:02.650 --> 00:55:03.730



really exciting for.87300:55:03.710 --> 00:55:04.099



All of us.87400:55:05.219 --> 00:55:09.219



Excellent. Stormy, thank you so much for being on Paratroop Reborn.87500:55:10.449 --> 00:55:12.309



Thank you so much for having me. Thank you, everyone.87600:55:15.510 --> 00:55:19.809



All right, folks. We asked our Paratrooper community, how much87700:55:19.949 --> 00:55:23.260



do you believe your birth chart can reveal about you?87800:55:23.260 --> 00:55:26.239



44% said a lot. 33% said some things are surprisingly accurate.87900:55:26.239 --> 00:55:38.349



12% said not. I'm curious but skeptical. And Eleven said,88000:55:38.369 --> 00:55:44.530



I don't believe astrology works. Now, with this conversation that88100:55:44.550 --> 00:55:49.050



I've had with Stormy, I hope we've changed that perspective.88200:55:49.250 --> 00:55:55.769



If it has, shoot us a comment in the comments below.88300:55:57.349 --> 00:56:00.429



Reach out to us on our website, Parachute.com, where you88400:56:00.449 --> 00:56:02.389



can leave us a voicemail or you can reach out88500:56:03.550 --> 00:56:09.800



via the email the message portion of the website so88600:56:10.469 --> 00:56:16.139



let us know how this has changed your perspective until88700:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.780



next week folks where you'll find us same time same88800:56:19.820 --> 00:56:22.579



channel my name is Justin I'll talk to you guys88900:56:22.619 --> 00:56:22.860



later89000:56:34.159 --> 00:56:34.949



Thank you.