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Coming up on Paratruy three Born, we'll be talking to
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Sherry melvar Prata about her book Supernatural South. Welcome do
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Para True? What's up everybody, and welcome to a brand
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new episode of Paratry three Born.
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My name is Eric and I'm justin and.
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Tonight's episode might require a rocking chair, a dark porch,
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and maybe some ice cold sweet tea because we're heading
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into the American South. The South has an incredible history
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of folklore and storytelling, but mixed into those traditions are
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some genuinely strange accounts. Ghosts, witches, cryptids, mysterious people, bizarre creatures,
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and even encounters that might point to something extraterrestrial. Our
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guest tonight has collected many of those stories, but we
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like to welcome her to the show. Sherry, Welcome to Pared.
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To you Born, Thank you for having me, Thank you
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for joining us.
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Uh. Before we dive into all the strange and spooky stories,
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can you just tell us what originally sparred your fascination
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with folklore and urban legends.
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I would say I blame that on my grandmother. She
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had a ton of spooky stories and I was just
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obsessed from the time I was a little kid, and
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I started collecting them over the course of my life,
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the strange, the spooky, and the unexplained. And so this
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book actually has been in the process of being written
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for years because I just kept collecting and collecting. And
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then I had relatives in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas.
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I'm like, oh, do you have any good stories? And
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They're like, oh, my gosh, yes. So I just collected
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it all into the book and I sent it out,
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the manuscript out and I didn't know if there were
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people like as nerdy as me who would be into it,
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but I guess there are because I got published.
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There you go, and now you're on a paranormal podcast
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on top of that.
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Right now, why the American South just because you have
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family there?
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Do you live in the South?
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I grew up in Taylor, Arkansas. It's a small town
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right on the border of Louisiana. You go like a
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mile and you're over into spring Hill, Louisiana and Webster Parish.
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And yeah, I grew up on forty acres in the
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middle of nowhere, even outside of the town that I
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went to school, and we were outside of that, and yeah,
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it's the perfect. It was the perfect backdrop for lots
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of spooky things. They kind of freaked myself out more
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than once thinking maybe there was a rugaru gonna you know,
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that was gonna peer through the window in my bedroom
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when I was a little kid.
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So yeah, Well, I spent quite a few years myself
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living in the South uh and vacationed most of my
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life in the southern coast of North Carolina. And one
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thing that I really never ceased to surprise me is
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the amount of folklore that exists between Georgia and North
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Carolina and Mississippi. Now there's been everything that I've heard
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from stories of like cryptids and which medicine, the ghosts,
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and pirate ships. Southern culture just really has a strong
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oral storytelling tradition. So how important was that tradition in
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the stories that you discovered and told yourself.
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I think it's very important because a lot of the
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stories in my book are there actually have been passed
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down from generation to generation to generation. And the Ozarks
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in northern Arkansas southern Missouri have a really strong background
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with those stories, and also Arkansas and Louisiana. There's a
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lot of lore there, and I think it's because it's
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just an older part of the United States, and you
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have so many cultural influences from the indigenous populations there
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to the African American population, the European population. So it
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just gives you this perfect mix of folklore and stories
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that are told generation to generation.
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Now, do you feel that there is a bit of
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truth or a lot of truth in folklore or is
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it something where we come up with these stories to
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help be like a cautionary tale for going in the
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woods or going into the lake, stuff like that.
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I think there is. I think that it's kind of
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folklore is kind of the same premise as a legend.
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There was a kernel of truth to begin with, and
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maybe it got changed, maybe it was exaggerated, but I
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definitely think, like I mean, I'm going to go out
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and I'm not going to say that exactly, but I
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think there has to be some kind of basis for
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the monster in Foulk, Arkansas. It's their version of a
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sasquatch or a bigfoot, because many people have reported it
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to me, people have had encounters with it, so there's
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got to be something there, right.
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Yeah, It's funny that today I wore my Ohio Sasquatch
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project T shirt that I got while working on Expedition
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X at the beginning of the summer, and somebody day
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at work had seen it and said, sasquatch in Ohio?
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Don't they just live in cold climates? I was like, oh, man,
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you're opening cannon worms right now. We don't got time,
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we don't have time to talk about this, but we're
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going to the grass man never heard a big foot never,
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you know. I was like, oh, it's well, the yetti
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is what you're thinking of, Like, well, it's the same thing,
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it's like, but it's not. It's not. Hey, you guys
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are hurting my feelings for for glorically speaking, It's like, yeah, exactly. Well,
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So did working on Supernatural South really like change how
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you personally look at paranormal stories?
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I mean, so I've always looked at the paranormal is
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not really paranormal, just different, Like I mean, we're so
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I mean, and this is just my opinion, but you know,
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every morning, we get up, we fix our coffee, we
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go to where we were, we come home, we binge,
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watch Netflix, we go to bed Rent scenery, repeat. So
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when somebody comes across something they can't explain. You know,
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they're like because it shakes you out of what you
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perceive as reality unless you're the type of person who
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does go and investigates these things. And I think it's
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important to keep an open mind. I'm not going to
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sit here and tell you, I know you know the
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answer to it. I'm just saying that, you know. I mean,
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sometimes you just have to look around in life and
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take notice of the things that are going on around you.
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Right now, people hear the term or phrase Southern Gothic
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all the time. What does that mean to you?
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To me, Southern Gothic is kind of like, ah, it
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brings to mind the French Quarter for me, and the
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old haunted plantations and the Civil War error ghost and
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things like that, you know, the vampire tales of New
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Orleans and things like that. That's kind of what Southern
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Gothic means to me.
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And like on top of that, there's something really about
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the environment itself in the South, you know, the swamps,
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the Spanish moss, old houses, extreme heat, isolated roads, all
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those things that kind of create the melting pot that
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almost becomes like another character in these stories. On top
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of it, do you think the geography just helps create
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the folklore on top of it all.
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I definitely think so. And like you were talking about
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Georgia and the Carolina as, I've been to North Carolina
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and I've been to Georgia, and it's just it's more
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of a rule. I mean, there's Atlanta and the capitals
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and stuff that if you get outside of that, it
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is rule. And I can guarantee you most normal people
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if their car broke down on a rural road at
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night and they started walking, they would be hearing things,
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they would be seeing things. Like I do think that
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the environment contributes to the folklore and the stories.
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Yeah, now I feel that, you know, the US as
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a whole is kind of a huge melting pot for
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different cultures, but the South really is where it kind
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of started. How much does that feed into the influence
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for the ghost stories and the different tales down in
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the South.
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Oh, I think it feeds into it a lot. Because
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on one of the stories in my book about the
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Boo Hag that's from the Gullah culture and they're in
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North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, and so that was
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a tradition, a traditional story that was handed down by
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the generations. And I don't know how much time you've
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ever spent in the rural as in Georgia, but if
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you've ever seen a house that's haint blue, or you've
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seen the blue bottles in the yard on things, that's
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the belief that you can capture those evil spirits like
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the boo hag and stuff and keep them from coming
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into your home.
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Yeah, yeah, you know, I've seen, Yeah, I saw I've
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seen a lot of that. I've seen food dogs, I've
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seen brooms, you know, hung on doors. And I spent time,
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you know, I lived in Atlanta for a while, and
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then I moved to Savannah and I lived there for
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several months. I had the opportunity it supposed to be
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like a two week thing and turned out to be
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like almost four months long, you know. And then of course, yeah,
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like growing up going to North Carolina and Carolina Beach Air,
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it's like an hour north of South Carolina, there's been
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you know, you go back on the islands and not inland,
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but like deeper into the island, you start to see
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a lot of that history kind of approach, you know,
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and it's like, oh, this is really cool, you know,
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and there's things that just stand out, and my curiosity
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always peaks, peaks when I see those things, like Okay,
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well what's this?
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What's that?
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You know? Take photos and and it's really it's just
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a lot of fun. But one thing that like Justin
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and I had actually talked about, we've been to New Orleans.
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I've been there a couple of times. He's he and
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I went probably two years three years ago now, I
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think something like two years ago. So because of that,
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we were inspired to do an episode on this show
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about the Lelo Ray Mansion. And you know, one thing
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that that kind of brought to attention is not only
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the history of the home and the things that happened there,
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but also the folklore that revolves around it. So do
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you think that folklore can sometimes be preserved in pieces
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of history that otherwise would have just maybe disappeared.
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Oh, absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind. Absolutely, from
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from the old antiques of those errors to a house alike, whatever,
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I think it does help it preserve the folklore down south, absolutely,
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the mansions and everything.
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Well, you've already brought it up, and it was the
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next down our list of questions to ask, what is
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the boo hag.
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Okay, now you're gonna wanna avoid her because it's actually
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it's a pretty scary story from the Gulla traditions. And
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the thing that I can probably equate it most who
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would be like a succubus, because the boo Hag can
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appear in any form. The boo Hag can be a
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beautiful woman. You could be standing next to a boo
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hag and not even know it, according to the traditions.
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So the thing about it is she comes into the
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house at night, and she can wear other people's skin,
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so she comes into the house at night and she
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basically drains the life force from someone like a vampire
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would during blood. But it's like the life force and
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people would it would. It went to explaining why people
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would wake up exhausted and not know and it was
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because there was a boo hag draining their life force
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out of them at night. And the tradition is that
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if you put salt in front of your window sills
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and in front of your doors, that the Boo Hag
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can't come into your house.
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Okay, well, now I mean the idea of you know,
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waking up onable to move with something sitting on your
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chest like the boo hag or a suckabis incubus a
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mare even it sounds obviously remarkably similar to what many
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call sleep paralysis. How much overlap do you see between
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folklore and experiences that science may explain differently today?
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I have had the sleep paralysis before, where I could
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have sworn that I was awake, I just knew that
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I was and I was seeing something and I was
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obviously asleep. I couldn't move, And so I've experienced that,
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and it's very terrifying. But you know, I would point
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to one thing when so as to not overlook the supernatural.
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I know, you guys, I'm sure you've heard of you know,
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Ninemare on Elm Street. And so the director had gotten
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the idea because he had seen three Asian males, young
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males like eighteen twenty, and all three cases they had
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reported that they were being chased by a demon in
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their sleep, and all three of them died after telling
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their family about the nightmare. And they were all, I
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believe from the long population. And so I mean, yeah,
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is it a coincidence? I mean it could be, but
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it's it sounds pretty creepy to me. I mean, right, yeah,
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I mean, and technically, I guess you can be scared
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to death, but it's weird that all three males were
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from that culture, all three males reported the same night
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where all three males diagnous sleep the next night.
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the US too, where people will interact with certain haunted
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objects and then suddenly on the way home, something tragic happens,
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you know, and maybe it's not always death, but you know,
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car accidents or illnesses, injuries, things like that, and it's
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like it's one thing that happens to one or two people.
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But when it's consistent, when multiple people are interacting with
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this thing and then something bad happens at Ripplefets, it's like, well, no,
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there's it sounds it feels like there's something to it.
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The science can explain.
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Exactly exactly, And I think that's kind of the thing
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that the book is. I let people draw their own
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conclusions about it. But when you have so many people
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reporting similar occurrences, they're similar sightings experiences, you kind of
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just can't really talk it out to you know, coincidence anymore.
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Right, Well, And something we do on this show is
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always tried to come from both believer and skeptic side
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of things. Does explaining some experiences automatically explain all of
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them away?
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I mean no, And that's the thing. I mean. If
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you have somebody who is a skeptic, no matter what
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they see or hear, they're probably if they're dead set
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on being a skeptic, they're going.
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To be a skeptic.
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Yeah, some people are a little more easily influenced than
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other people. I think that there are definitely things in
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this world that we can't explain, at least scientifically to
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my mind. But maybe there's an explanation for it, but
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we just haven't advanced that much as a population, you know,
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as a human species to understand what it is.
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Yeah, it's just sick. We see it time and time again.
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It's like you have two factors where it's either full
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acceptance or it's complete denial, right, and like there is
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a happy medium, you know. I think it's important to
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deny the things that you can debunk still stay curious
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about those same things that are like, but what if
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you know, because you never know what really we I mean,
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we don't know what exists out there. How often do
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we hear people say, oh, you're only using a part
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of your brain you like to live on a daily basis,
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Like okay, well what happens if you're not the whole thing?
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And you know?
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And wouldn't it be horrible if there are no more mysteries?
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Lollaby so boring? Ready bored?
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Often like that would just be worse, right, I think
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many of us are because of the age that we
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live in right now, where you to constant information and
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if we don't have that, or if it's too lengthy,
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you know, I think our attention spans have gone drastically down,
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especially in the past several years.
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Oh yeah, I used to be a high school Spanish teacher,
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and I will tell you talks you have fifteen minutes
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to get your point across.
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That is even pretty lengthy for some people.
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Doubt after that.
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Oh man, well, so it wouldn't be our show if
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we didn't talk about one of our favorite branches of compenzeology,
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and that is the idea of the wolf like creatures
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that exist, and in this case, we're talking about the
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dup koru. So speaking of this creature. How does this
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differ from like traditional were wolf entities or creatures that
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most people know of.
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So the lu Guru are some of the Cajuns call
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it a rugaru. It comes more from a I think
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cautionary tale because it was one of the traditions is
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if you break lent for seven years in a row,
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then you'll turn into a rugaroo for a year. And
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so I think it's more of a trying to get
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kids to behave and keep them in line. But but
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there have been you know, ruguru, dog man, whatever you
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want to call it, sightings in the swamp. And you know,
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I mean, who's to say they're not seeing something because
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those swamps you can get lost in and never be
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found again. I mean, if there were a species that
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were living there that hadn't been discovered, yeah, I would
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put my money on like the Achafalaya Basin or one
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of the swamp areas in Louisiana for sure.
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Well, and you know something that I've kind of star believing,
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especially over the past few years, is that we've got
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like the lake monsters like Nessy and things that would
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hint towards a dinosaur like creature that the terrostaurs that
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people see and stuff like that. I've firmly believed that
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maybe the dog man or the werewolf sightings could possibly
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be the dire wolf still alive.
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there was there was a ozark creature that people were
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claiming to see and it could lift a cow off
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the ground, you know, according to their traditions. And this lady,
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I believe it was in the nineties, nineteen nineties somewhere anyway,
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she saw this huge bird swoop past her car and
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she could not think of what it could be because
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she had never seen anything like that. When she went home,
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she jumped on the computer and started looking at things,
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and she pointed to a pterodactyl and she said, it
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look exactly like that. So, I I mean, I think
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it's certainly possible that in the rural areas, maybe you know,
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some kind of dinosaur could have survived. I mean, I'm
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sure every anthropologist in the United States is probably like
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given me the stink eye on camera right now. But
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but I mean, we just don't know. We don't know,
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and there have been species that have been discovered that
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we had no idea they existed, So who's to say
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under the right conditions something couldn't have survived. I mean,
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there's tales all the time of the Tasmanian tiger being slash.
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I'm just going to bring that up. Yeah, yeah, And
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there's still like there's photo evidence, video evidence that up
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every once in a while that you know, it shows
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a tail or, like so it's behind brush. It's like,
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that's clearly looks like a Tasmanian tiger, you know, but
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wh or not? And it is, you just don't have
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the significant evidence to prove it. And I think that's
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you know, kind of the case in most of these situations,
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especially here in Ohio. We think about the dog man
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as being one big footing another and those sightings have
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ramped up over the last couple of years. But something
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that has also really ramped up is our black bear
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population that has been moving over from Pennsylvania. And so
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a lot of this could very well be mistaken identity.
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But at the same time, you can't roll out the
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possibility that maybe these things are existing in the deep woods.
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I mean, we have a national park here, one of
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the biggest in the country, you know, and it's like
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there's so much unexplored. Who knows where they're living in?
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So many caves and crevices around here too. On top
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of that, like you never.
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Know, oh exactly. And I was watching a documentary one time,
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and I believe it was the Carolinas that during the
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Civil War era or the pre Civil War error, there
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were a lot of black bears and that was common
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in the Carolinas to see to see one.
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So what's what is your personal opinion, opinion or even
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professional opinion on the creatures like the loop grew. Do
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you think that it's a real creature, Like is it
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more of a cautionary tale?
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Is it a hybrid?
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What are you I think the traditional loop guru or
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rugaru was, you know, a cautionary tale to you know,
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keep kids on their best behavior. But I do think
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that the more current sightings, I think people are seeing something.
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I can't say exactly because I mean, obviously I wasn't
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there when they saw it. That I think they're seeing something,
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and I think some things can be ruled out. I
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don't think that a bear could run on two legs
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for very long, so I definitely think they're seeing something.
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I often wondered because like years before, like during my
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great grandfather's time, a lot of like carnivals and circuses
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and stuff would come through the rural South and stuff.
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So I always kind of in the back of my mind,
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like with the fout monster, I always kind of wondered
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like could it have been escaped gorillas from a show
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or you know, like what what I go through my
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head and I'm like, Okay, what are the logical explanations
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for it?
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Right? Right?
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And then what could you know with people like cryptozoologists,
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what would they say? And I mean it's just kind
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of one of those things that's hard to tell. I mean,
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I definitely think people are seeing something because I think
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most people, I mean some people, yeah, they always want attention,
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but some people they're risking their reputation coming forward and saying, hey,
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I saw this. You know a lot of people that
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you know, they're a doctor, they're a lawyer, you know,
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they're a pilot. I mean when they come forward and
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they say something, they're risking their reputation people going oh,
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that guy's not sort about woman, you.
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Know, yeah, And that's something that really, you know, I
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think a lot of people don't take into consideration. They're like, oh, well,
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I would never do this, So you know, why would
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this weirdo be shared these stories unless they were awado? Right,
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It's like, well, you know they have a life too,
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They probably had families, they have you know, all these things.
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It's like, you know, I share stories. I told just
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in a story where I thought I saw Bigfoot on
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my way home from Virginia once and it wasn't. It
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was I was tired, it was dusk. There was a tree,
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and the tree looked like Bigfoot crouching behind another tree,
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and I was so excited that it wasn't what I
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thought it was. You know, I didn't get a picture,
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So how do we know that exactly? Exactly? That's true.
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One other thing I actually want to bring up about
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the rugaroo, or really any of these cryptid creatures. There's
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this ongoing kind of New Age view of these creatures
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because we're not seeing physical getting physical evidence of them,
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that maybe they're spiritual, maybe they exist in another realm,
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or maybe they're tapas. So could something like a rugaroo,
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with all of these stories passed down from generation generation
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possibly have manifested into some sort of spiritual entity, because
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we've definitely heard stories of wherewolves appearing in haunted vocations.
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Right, I mean it could. I mean, I've heard of
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like Buddhist monks being able to concentrate so hard that
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they created a tulpa. Another thing is too I mean,
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and this is going to take us on another tangent completely.
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But a lot of people, you know, they wonder if
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they're not perhaps some kind of alien creature. I mean,
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I don't know, but I I would say that you know,
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when you look at animals that we we know they
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exist and we've seen them and they're in aquariums. Octopi
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rangeest creature. I couldn't have made it up in a
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million years. And it just doesn't seem to fit in
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with anything here, so you know, and well some scientists
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proposed maybe it hitched a ride on a meteor or something.
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Right.
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Well, then on top of that, you know, we have
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all these stories, uh, you know, old sailing stories about
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these giant octopusha giant squids that would take down boats
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supposedly and stuff like that. And it's like, for a
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long time, during those periods, we didn't know that the
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giant squid existed. You know, it's relatively Yeah, the whole
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Kraken story, you know, and it's like, well, there it is,
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there's the evidence it exists, you know, and it's it's
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really cool because we actually do have cryptids in our
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own backyard that do exist. They just you know, they
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just have a scientific name now because they're no longer
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these mysterious creatures, right well, and that's.
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What crypto zoology is, is right right of the unknown,
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and they eventually I mean, that's funny to say, because
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the thiolacene falls under cryptozoology because it's an extinct creature,
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but they have found evidence that there's possibly it's still alive.
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Right and even if you think about the old video
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I think it was from the sixties, Gimlin Potterson to mycene, right,
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they did not, like special effects in Hollywood, did not
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have the technology to make something like that where you
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can kind of see the muscle under the fur, and
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so like I still I mean, if I had to
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bet one way or another, I think it's real.
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Actually under scrutiny right now about there's a documentary coming
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out about the fact that it was faked.
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But well, we'll see when the documentary comes out. But
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I think it's a load of crud, but we'll find
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out what's what they say that that is.
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One of the most scrutinized videos out there because I mean,
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first and foremost, it's done in the seventies.
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Secondly, it's one of those things where it's.
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Like, yeah, the the video quality would not have been
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that great on a personal video camera back in those days,
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so to say, the graininess, the you know, the blurriness,
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blah blah blah, it's like they didn't have the video
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technology that we have even twenty years ago and even today.
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So yeah, a lot, And that's one of the biggest
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things you hear about any type of cryptid video picture.
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Oh it's blurry. Oh it looks like it's AI. And
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don't get me wrong, AI has completely thrown a huge
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Before we got into the commercial there, we were talking
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about the loop grew.
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But there's like so many different tales in your book
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in the South. Something that.
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I've heard a lot is of ghost stories and historical
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tragedy seem almost inseparable in the Southern folklore. Why do
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you think traumatic places generate so many haunting legends like that?
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I you know, I've thought a lot about it, and
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I think it comes down to almost like it makes
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an imprint on time, like the tragedy that it just51200:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.200
and maybe what we're seeing aren't ghosts. Maybe it's just51300:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.920
a replay of what happened because of all the emotion51400:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.559
that was there. So I think that, yeah, I mean definitely,51500:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.039
even like I didn't put it in the book, but51600:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.039
I did put it in an article that I wrote51700:32:11.039 --> 00:32:15.279
for Ulellen was the Pea Ridge one of the Civil51800:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.839
War sites, and it is highly haunted and people will see,51900:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.720
like on a regular basis, one of the Confederate soldiers52000:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.400
on horse that riding and they see, you know, but52100:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.000
ghostly form, and you know, they'll go into this tavern52200:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.599
that had been a field hospital and makeshift field hospital,52300:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.200
and people have heard screaming and moaning, and they've seen52400:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.599
blood on the floor or soldiers on the floor that52500:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.519
just disappear. And there are a lot of stories that52600:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.559
come out of there, and it's got to make you wonder, like,52700:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.440
what's what's going on? You know, And I think it52800:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.359
comes down to you that was a horrific period in time,52900:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.519
a violent, bloody period in time. A lot of those53000:32:57.559 --> 00:33:03.000
soldiers were teenagers. I can't imagine feeling that kind of fear,53100:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.880
even at the age I am now much less if53200:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.119
I had to face something like that when I was sixteen.53300:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.680
So I think that emotion makes an imprint on those53400:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.519
places for sure.53500:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.200
And you see that a lot through like Pennsylvania through Gettysburg.53600:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.000
It's just it looks like these videos of what would53700:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.079
be spirits just walking in the line almost if they're marching.53800:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.680
You know, there's really no, you know, there's no intelligence there,53900:33:27.680 --> 00:33:29.599
it's just like it's just there. And whether or not54000:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.119
it's residual it's because of energy that was spent there,54100:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.559
who knows. But the fact is that there are things54200:33:36.559 --> 00:33:42.039
that are happening because of the events of history. M hmm.54300:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.759
Absolutely. Yeah, I definitely think that's why it's tied together.54400:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.160
And when you see so many places where there was war,54500:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.759
there was slavery, there was some kind of tragedy, and54600:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.759
there's like residual hauntings, and I think it's all of54700:33:55.759 --> 00:34:01.160
about emotion and fear and violence that makes an impront there.54800:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.799
Yeah. Well, no, in your research for the book, did54900:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.400
you find any cases where like the popular ghost story55000:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.559
and the actual historical record that did it quite match up?55100:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.079
You know. So one of my places that I've been55200:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.360
to a lot of places in Louisiana my mom's family55300:34:20.400 --> 00:34:25.639
lives from Louisiana that I wanted to go is the Myrtles.55400:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.360
It's a haunted plantation. You can just tour it or55500:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.760
you can spend the night and people have reported seeing,55600:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.920
you know, all kinds of ghosts. I have no doubt55700:34:34.960 --> 00:34:39.719
in my mind that is haunted. But one of the55800:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.400
most famous ghosts named Chloe, who who was a slave55900:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.119
and who allegedly had her ear cut off for listening56000:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.760
at her her master's door so she could tell like56100:34:54.800 --> 00:34:56.760
she would tell the other slaves as somebody who's gonna56200:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.840
be sold or traded or whatever, and supposedly he cut56300:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.320
her off and she wore a turban after that to56400:35:02.440 --> 00:35:09.880
cover that up, and so supposedly her ghost haunts there56500:35:09.920 --> 00:35:17.239
because she accidentally poisoned the plantation owner's family and they died,56600:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.679
and then the other slaves hung her because they didn't56700:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.760
want to be the brunt of the fury of the56800:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.519
owner of the plantation. But there's been no historical record56900:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.920
of there being a Chloe, Like, they can't try trace57000:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.360
it back historically to align with the stories and what57100:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.760
people are seeing. So I have no doubt that it's57200:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.480
haunted because a lot of people haven't even I've seen57300:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.320
footage that people have gone to visit, and then it's57400:35:46.360 --> 00:35:55.119
like on paranormal evidence and stuff like that. But that story,57500:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.039
they have no history of that, so it's it's hard57600:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.559
to say, you know, yeah for sure, And it's one57700:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.320
of those things where it's like there's certainly that.57800:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.920
Group of people who are adamant Chloe is absolutely a57900:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.360
real spirit that lived there, a real person that have58000:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.679
lived there at one point, even if there is no58100:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.000
evidence to support it whatsoever.58200:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.840
Right, right, And I mean I get it. Look, some58300:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.480
of those records in the South are so old and58400:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.400
you can't find b I mean, I've been trying to58500:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.079
trace my mom's side. You can't find the birth certificates58600:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.599
on some of the people. They just pop up all58700:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.639
of a sudden when they got married at like twenty58800:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.519
or something that you have no idea where they came from.58900:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.840
And a lot of that. This is why I'm particularly59000:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.800
on the trail of my mother's side. A lot of that.59100:36:41.039 --> 00:36:46.719
In Louisiana, they would say passe blanc, which means white passing. Okay,59200:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.960
so if you were of African American heritage but you59300:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.679
looked like you were white, you didn't want your records59400:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.079
or your birth certificates or anything else to be found59500:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.079
because that put you at a significant disadvantage in those days.59600:37:03.559 --> 00:37:03.760
See.59700:37:05.719 --> 00:37:10.880
Now, this is a question from our Paratruthers community, and59800:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.639
I wanted to make sure we asked it since we're59900:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.280
on the the ghosts.60000:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.400
Have you ever seen a ghost yourself.60100:37:18.679 --> 00:37:24.159
So I've had two experiences. So the first one was60200:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.480
it actually happened in the house that I'm in. This60300:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.199
is this was my parents' house and I inherited it60400:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.199
after they died. But in the bedroom up stairs, I60500:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.400
there's Venetian blinds, and we have these windows. You crank60600:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.079
the thing to bring it out, and then you crank60700:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.239
it back in and then you latch it on the60800:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.360
top and on the bottom and it seals, so it's60900:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.480
totally no colds getting in, the wind's getting in whatever.61000:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.119
So and I'm pretty obsessive compulsive. So that night I61100:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.159
had done that, I checked all the windows and the61200:37:55.159 --> 00:37:57.679
doors and stuff. I was sleeping in the bedroom and61300:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.480
all of a sudden, the venetian blinde came out like61400:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.199
a giant gust of when had hit and then banged back.61500:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.440
So I laid in bed for a while because I61600:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.760
was kind of paralyzed, and I'm going, Okay, there's a61700:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.519
logical explanation for this. I know there's a logical explanation61800:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.440
for this. I'm gonna get the courage up to turn61900:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.079
the light on and I'm gonna walk over to the62000:38:20.119 --> 00:38:21.760
window and miss see what happened.62100:38:22.519 --> 00:38:22.880
So I do.62200:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.760
I work my courage up. I turned on the light.62300:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.760
I walked to the window. The window is shut tight62400:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.159
as a drum, and there is no I can see62500:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.400
the pine trees by the window, no movement.62600:38:35.079 --> 00:38:35.519
No, not the.62700:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.679
So that one freaked me out. The other thing that62800:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.440
happened to me, I had a friend over and we62900:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.239
were just messing around and they had a camera. I63000:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.280
was a brand new camera, and then they were like63100:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.159
a photography boff and so they wanted to take my63200:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.760
picture by the chair, and I said okay, and so63300:38:51.840 --> 00:38:56.639
we took my picture. And then when the film was developed,63400:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.800
there's like somebody standing right here face you could see63500:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.199
their face, and they were looking at the side of63600:39:03.239 --> 00:39:06.440
my head and I'm just standing there, smiling, having no63700:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.039
clue that there is anything around me. So those would63800:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.559
be like my two closest encounters. I've never seen a63900:39:13.599 --> 00:39:18.400
ghost manifest I've never seen or talk to a ghost64000:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.320
or anything like that. But I had the Venetian blind incident,64100:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.199
and then evidently I had one staring at me in64200:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.079
a photo.64300:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.360
I mean that photo. Thing is wild. That'd be scary.64400:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.400
Laid in bed, is it right here? Nest to me?64500:39:32.480 --> 00:39:32.719
Now?64600:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.079
Is it right here. That's crazy.64700:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.880
It's one thing to have a feeling or have that experience,64800:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.159
but to have the actual evidence that it was there,64900:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.000
that that's a creep level in and of itself much65000:39:48.079 --> 00:39:48.920
higher than.65100:39:49.719 --> 00:39:50.920
And prime example.65200:39:51.000 --> 00:39:55.159
I've got touched a couple of times on investigations, but65300:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.880
never had any type of evidence, photographic evidence that there65400:39:59.920 --> 00:40:03.760
was anything near me, anything that would have been remotely65500:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.039
in the room, stuff like that. So to hear that65600:40:07.119 --> 00:40:13.039
story is that that is a class a piece of evidence.65700:40:12.639 --> 00:40:13.760
Right for sure.65800:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.079
And that's the And then my dad took it to65900:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.239
work to show everybody at work. I've not to find66000:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.079
that photo. I don't know what happened to it after66100:40:22.119 --> 00:40:23.639
my dad died, because my dad was like on the66200:40:23.639 --> 00:40:26.480
phono and I'm like sure, And so then you know,66300:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.280
I'm sure it's somewhere in this house because my parents66400:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.079
never threw anything of life. I'm sure it's you're somewher.66500:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.760
I have to find it, but just to I mean,66600:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.679
in who's the That's the frightening thing, is like, who knows?66700:40:39.079 --> 00:40:44.639
Maybe we're walking around with other worldly beings all around us.66800:40:44.679 --> 00:40:48.840
I think it was Stephen Hawking that said theoretically there66900:40:48.880 --> 00:40:54.239
could be wormholes the size of like a fraction of67000:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.039
a sewing needle, and you wouldn't even know it. So67100:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.159
you know, maybe they're closer we think, right for sure.67200:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.000
No, when it comes to telling these stories and you67300:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.000
find a I don't know, you find yourself at a67400:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.320
position where the history doesn't quite mat with a legend,67500:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.559
do you find that like correcting the history ever takes67600:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.559
away from the legends itself.67700:41:22.599 --> 00:41:26.760
Yeah. I mean, like I said, when you go back67800:41:27.199 --> 00:41:31.840
a certain amount of time, records are sketchy to begin with.67900:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.079
I mean, maybe it really is true, but we just68000:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.320
can't find the records on it. But yeah, I mean68100:41:39.400 --> 00:41:44.000
I don't think that something should be discounted just because68200:41:44.079 --> 00:41:48.719
we can't go through historical records and find it. I mean,68300:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.320
if enough people are seeing and maybe your name wasn't Chloe,68400:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.440
but if enough people are seeing Chloe, there's got to68500:41:55.480 --> 00:41:56.239
be something.68600:41:55.960 --> 00:41:57.039
There right.68700:41:58.880 --> 00:42:04.159
Well, And for you know, maybe there has been paranormal68800:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.199
evidence that has come up where a spirit said the68900:42:08.280 --> 00:42:13.119
name Chloe. Maybe it wasn't that spirit or that being69000:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.440
person that supposedly it was, but that could be where69100:42:17.440 --> 00:42:24.119
it came from very will. Yeah, absolutely, Now, something that69200:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.360
you have in the book, and not very many people69300:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.639
associate this with the South.69400:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.119
Is UFO stories?69500:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.800
Did you discover that UFO lore is more deeply woven69600:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.800
into the Southern history than most people realize.69700:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.880
I think it is. I think, of course, and rightly so.69800:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.719
Roswell got you know, most of the attention when it69900:42:47.760 --> 00:42:54.800
comes to UFOs. But there are definitely stories of UFOs70000:42:54.880 --> 00:43:00.239
in the South, the Aurora Crash, the Kelly Greenman, and70100:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.360
I mean, honestly, if I were an alien and I70200:43:03.400 --> 00:43:05.559
wanted to abduct somebody, I would do it in the70300:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.880
rural South because you know, when you get to certain places,70400:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.360
the houses all jammed next to each other and stuff.70500:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.159
You get up north you got the row houses in70600:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.920
Boston and things like that, But in the South you70700:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.199
have a lot of rural communities that are spaced out70800:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.000
really far. So I mean, it would be the perfect70900:43:26.039 --> 00:43:30.239
place for a UFO to land, or for a UFO71000:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.400
to observe people, or for abductions or whatever they wanted71100:43:34.440 --> 00:43:34.639
to do.71200:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.320
That's how I feel about living in North Dakota too.71300:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.079
It's so rule that there'd be so many encounters. We71400:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.360
just don't know about them, or people aren't talking about71500:43:44.360 --> 00:43:48.199
them because North Dakota's are very, very conservative and do71600:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.920
not want to share things like that most.71700:43:50.679 --> 00:43:51.159
Of the time.71800:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.800
Oh I'm in Montana right now, so I get to like,71900:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.280
I am so fascinated with the UFO story about them72000:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.760
hovering over Mount Strom Air Force Base. But any Montana72100:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.840
that's from here is like, yeah, no, it didn't happen.72200:44:06.400 --> 00:44:07.320
It did not happen.72300:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.920
I'm like, Okay, they're calling home and rocking in their72400:44:12.000 --> 00:44:13.800
chair like, oh my god, it happened. It really did happen.72500:44:13.840 --> 00:44:14.719
It really did happen.72600:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.840
Yeah, it's the same way of here. They don't want72700:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.000
to admit anything, you know, although I have you know,72800:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.639
it's funny, you know, every Montana and then I've asked72900:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.639
about the Malstrom Air Force Base UFO incidents, like it73000:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.000
never happened. It never happened. But every year at Halloween73100:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.480
they will do ghost tours at the old prison up73200:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.480
at Deer Lodge and they're like, it's haunted. And I'm like, so,73300:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.760
you don't have a problem with prison ghosts, but you73400:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.239
have a problem with UFO.73500:44:51.599 --> 00:44:57.159
Okay, oh bad. Well, So I mean I mean UFOs73600:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.119
historically speaking, I mean we see in ancient writings and73700:45:02.119 --> 00:45:06.000
texts that they go back to ancient times. But do73800:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.320
you see that UFO stories tend to be more of73900:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.000
modern folklore in kind of the same way that early74000:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.679
generations talked about ghosts or monsters or any other supernatural being.74100:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.719
Well, I think that I think that it goes back74200:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.920
a long ways, Like you said, you see it, and74300:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.239
even like the Pyramids in Egypt they had renderings of74400:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.079
what look like somebody with an astronaut helmet on and74500:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.480
you know, on a flying craft. I do think it74600:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.280
probably like after Roswelt and stuff like, I feel like74700:45:40.360 --> 00:45:46.519
it got more in Hollywood, so it's more kind of74800:45:46.679 --> 00:45:53.320
urban legend, kind of Hollywood lore now. But I mean, honestly,74900:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.800
I think it would be extremely arrogant to assume that75000:45:58.800 --> 00:46:05.320
we're the only living creatures in the whole universe. And75100:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.280
I don't really you know, people get scared about aliens75200:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.039
and stuff, but I figure, if they're intelligent enough to75300:46:13.280 --> 00:46:18.239
travel to this planet and they have mastered like intergalactic75400:46:19.079 --> 00:46:25.000
you know, travel, we're probably not that fascinating to them75500:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.440
because our technology would be so behind their technology. And75600:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.519
so I think that, yeah, I think that it's gotten75700:46:34.599 --> 00:46:38.440
kind of urban legend vibe from Hollywood and stuff. But75800:46:39.280 --> 00:46:45.719
I definitely think there's probably been entities visiting here from75900:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.639
other universes for a long time. I mean, even if76000:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.000
you look at Okay, you look at the pyramids in Egypt,76100:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.000
but then there's pyramids in China, but then there's pyramids76200:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.840
in South America. Back when nobody was traveling, they didn't76300:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.280
even know about each other, and it would be I mean,76400:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.159
I guess you could say, like Carl Jung, the collective conscious,76500:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.800
everybody decided building a pyramid was a good idea. At76600:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.519
the same time, that seems kind of far fetch.76700:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.079
Too, so right, yeah, yeah, no, it definitely like and76800:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.679
we've heard about that so many times on the show too.76900:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.559
It's just the coincidence. It's too much of a coincidence77000:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.159
when it spread across cultures and continents and oceans. You know,77100:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.480
it's like it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.77200:47:26.679 --> 00:47:30.800
And of course you can't scientifically connect the dots, but77300:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.320
there are some things that kind of like, well, look77400:47:33.320 --> 00:47:35.159
at the alignment of the stars and how these all77500:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.599
many of these aligned with the stars. You know, are77600:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.239
certain constellations.77700:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.480
Exactly that even not too long ago, they found a77800:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.400
pyramid in Bosnia. They didn't even know it existed. I mean,77900:47:46.400 --> 00:47:47.800
they knew it as a hill, but then when they78000:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.119
really started examining it, you know, years and years and78100:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.159
years ago, somebody actually constructed that. So, you know, are78200:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.679
the pyramids somewhere? Was that some kind of way they78300:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.559
navigated and having those pyramids was it? You know? And78400:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.119
a lot of them too, I've heard. I'm not as78500:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.599
knowledgeable about this, but I've heard a lot of them78600:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.920
are on those like lay lines.78700:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.400
Yeah, I mean there's been some that have even been78800:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.119
discovered in Antarctica as well.78900:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.199
Yeah, I mean. And on top of that, it's like79000:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.440
you can even get into the religious aspect of it.79100:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.159
It's like taking after the whole idea of the Tower79200:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.679
of Babbel and people wanting to build up to the heavens.79300:48:27.719 --> 00:48:27.880
You know.79400:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.119
It's like there's there's all these connections that are just79500:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.320
like whoa, there's it's it's really I think it's fascinating.79600:48:33.400 --> 00:48:34.239
It's creaty too.79700:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.199
Oh yeah, sure.79800:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.760
Now, if somebody wanted to take a supernatural road trip79900:48:40.760 --> 00:48:42.840
through the South, where would be the first place you80000:48:42.840 --> 00:48:43.559
would tell them to go?80100:48:44.559 --> 00:48:49.039
Oh okay, that's oh my gosh. You have such good80200:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.840
material there. I mean, I would say Savannah would be80300:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.199
a great one. They have so many people who died80400:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.920
during like I think it was the yellow fever epidemic.80500:49:01.119 --> 00:49:05.960
So I've heard that place is just haunted. Crazy Louisiana,80600:49:06.239 --> 00:49:10.440
I mean New Orleans. You've got the Lalari Mansion, You've80700:49:10.480 --> 00:49:16.199
got the Guardette La Petrie massacre. I believe that mansion80800:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.840
is still there. I think I'm not sure. You've got80900:49:20.880 --> 00:49:25.559
the swamps where you've got the dog man sightings, the bigfoots.81000:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.760
I mean, I don't think you could go wrong hitting81100:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.760
Louisiana or Georgia first.81200:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.719
Absolutely, yeah, I think I have to second that, like81300:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.440
just the energy and Savannah is wild, and the ghost81400:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.039
tours that you could take and learn from, Like I mean,81500:49:44.039 --> 00:49:45.599
they call them hanging trees, but at the time the81600:49:45.639 --> 00:49:48.440
trees didn't exist. There are some of them, but you know,81700:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.079
the gallows and whatnot, and the energy on the field81800:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.639
or within these little grassy areas or mooks throughout the city.81900:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.039
It's just like, oh man, there's so much rich history there.82000:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.360
You know, you go to like moond Brewery and there's82100:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.159
just a really cool ghost story. But on the time82200:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.440
of that, like thegnorantly vampires as well. I mean it's82300:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.840
like you, really, if you want to just hit learn82400:50:10.880 --> 00:50:12.719
everything about the South in terms of haunting, just go82500:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.679
to New Orleans. You get everything there, you can go.82600:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.039
Yeah, I mean, I hate you. I think it has82700:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.519
to be guided now and it's kind of off. But82800:50:23.639 --> 00:50:32.360
there's Marie Levoe's tomb there, and there's supposedly the pirate82900:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.159
Lafitte at what it was one pattern, I can't remember83000:50:36.159 --> 00:50:40.280
the name, but he's supposedly pointing in the portrait at83100:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.679
where he hid his treasure. I mean there's so much.83200:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.199
Yeah, well, so now there were like kind of come83300:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.280
around full circle. And this is something that we talked83400:50:53.280 --> 00:50:57.960
about frequently on this show. Could old folklore and modern83500:50:57.960 --> 00:51:04.079
paranormal phenomena sometimes be different cultural interpretations of the same83600:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.639
experience or do you think like a lot of these83700:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.199
experiences are very similar overall.83800:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.719
You see a lot of similar I see a lot83900:51:13.719 --> 00:51:19.960
of similarities between urban legends and folklore, and I have84000:51:20.039 --> 00:51:23.000
it somewhere packed away. But one of my favorite books84100:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.280
was the Urban Legend Dictionary, and I got to see84200:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.119
all of all of the urban legends that were collected,84300:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.079
and it is in generations from now that'll be like84400:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.880
the man with the hook for an arm, and the84500:51:39.920 --> 00:51:45.440
babysitter stories will be like folklore for generations behind us.84600:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.360
You know, it just happens to be more more modern84700:51:49.480 --> 00:51:54.159
adaptations of of what's going on now or you know,84800:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.679
in the last few decades. So I do see a84900:51:57.719 --> 00:52:02.159
lot of similarities between the and the urban legends, and85000:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.079
I don't discount any of it. I mean, I like85100:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.639
to keep an open mind about things.85200:52:08.719 --> 00:52:15.440
And so yeah, now, what is one thing that you85300:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.000
hope people take from either the book or our conversation tonight?85400:52:20.800 --> 00:52:22.800
Okay, So one of the things that I hope is,85500:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.719
first of all, I love the idea that these stories85600:52:28.079 --> 00:52:32.000
will keep going. I want the folklore, the stories, the85700:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.559
ghost stories, the cryptids. I want it to keep going.85800:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.159
Is one of the major reasons I wrote the book.85900:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.320
The other thing that I would want people to take86000:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.760
from tonight is keep an open mind. You know, just86100:52:44.079 --> 00:52:48.400
keep an open mind. And if you do see something.86200:52:48.719 --> 00:52:51.639
I mean, I'm the worst at doing this, but grab86300:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.760
your phone and start recording.86400:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.920
You know, I mean easy to say, it's so hard86500:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.079
to do in the mind when you see.86600:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.360
Something where you're just like if you don't think to86700:53:02.440 --> 00:53:05.119
grab your phone out of your pocket and start recording.86800:53:04.679 --> 00:53:05.159
At the time.86900:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.719
I don't even capture the pictures I should be capturing87000:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.639
in every day life, let alone a paranormal experience.87100:53:11.800 --> 00:53:15.320
Yeah, there's there's like okay, so there's like a there's87200:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.480
a resonant pheasant that runs around this area and we've87300:53:18.519 --> 00:53:23.280
all named him fret pH of course, right right. I87400:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.480
see that sucker outside in the yard all the time.87500:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.760
As soon as I grab my phone, he has taken87600:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.679
off like a rocket. He exists, but I can't get87700:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.920
a fuck clear photo of it.87800:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.360
So he's the cryptid of your area.87900:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.239
Yes, that lives around my house somewhere.88000:53:43.159 --> 00:53:43.920
Goodness.88100:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.199
Yeah, just keep you know, keep an open mind because88200:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.760
you might be surprised at what you find. And for sure,88300:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.760
at the very least, if you start investigating it, it'll88400:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.880
take you down a really neat trail finding historical thing88500:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.079
that you didn't know existed.88600:54:02.239 --> 00:54:03.559
So yeah, for sure.88700:54:04.519 --> 00:54:06.719
All right, Well, we are coming to the end of88800:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.119
this episode here, so we do want to give you88900:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.480
the time to tell everybody where they can find you,89000:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.519
where they can find your work, and share any other89100:54:13.559 --> 00:54:14.679
information that you'd like.89200:54:15.199 --> 00:54:18.880
Okay, so if you want to go. First of all,89300:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.920
my book released a few days ago, so it's on Amazon,89400:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.760
It's on Llewellyn, Barnes, and Noble, any major book salor.89500:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.760
You can get the book from my personal website for89600:54:30.800 --> 00:54:38.480
my author's page is shry Hyphen malaver Hyphenparada dot com89700:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.119
and I'm hoping to share some new stories on there soon.89800:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.719
But it does have the book and everything on there. Instagram.89900:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.880
I'm Shary Michelle thirty two LinkedIn I'm sure malaver Parada90000:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.719
and I would love to hear from anybody who has90100:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.920
creepy stories. Are they have questions or just anything. I'm90200:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.280
happy to talk Parano anytime.90300:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.960
Awesome, cool, well y, thank you so much for joining90400:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.360
us on Paratruth. It's been a blast talking with you.90500:55:09.840 --> 00:55:11.480
We're gonna go ahead and close out the show here.90600:55:11.320 --> 00:55:13.159
But we'll talk to you in a little while, Okay,90700:55:13.199 --> 00:55:13.480
thank you?90800:55:13.880 --> 00:55:20.360
All right, all right, everybody, So we asked our paratruther90900:55:20.400 --> 00:55:24.480
Or community which Southern supernatural mystery would you most want91000:55:24.519 --> 00:55:29.360
to investigate. Well, twenty eight percent of you said historic countings.91100:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.880
Another twenty eight percent said the Rugaro.91200:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.079
That'd be my choice too. Most likely.91300:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.480
Twenty one said the boo hag you all are crazy,91400:55:38.960 --> 00:55:44.760
fifteen percent saad a mysterious UFO count encounter. An eight91500:55:44.800 --> 00:55:49.719
percent said sirens of the GoF GoF Sea that it's91600:55:49.719 --> 00:55:54.280
also a little I mean, you guys know what sirens do, right, Okay?91700:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.599
I mean, hey, you do you y'all? So you folks91800:55:59.679 --> 00:56:03.360
have been listening to Paratruth Reborn with Justin and Eric.91900:56:03.480 --> 00:56:07.079
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