Aug. 3, 2025

Tracking the Elusive Bigfoot w/Jay Bachochin

Tracking the Elusive Bigfoot w/Jay Bachochin
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Is Bigfoot out there—or are we just not looking in the right way? In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, we sit down with renowned Bigfoot researcher Jay Bachochin to explore the mysteries of the forest and the creature that may be hiding within it. From personal encounters and investigative techniques to interdimensional theories and skeptical pushback, Jay brings years of boots-on-the-ground experience and open-minded curiosity to the table. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, this is one journey into the unknown you won’t want to miss.

Jay Bachochin is a family man in the state of Wisconsin. He has been on a solo quest searching for the Wisconsin Sasquatch in southeast Wisconsin since 2013. Jay has been featured on The Travel Channel's 'In Search of Monsters' and also featured in the Small Town Monsters' "The Bray Road Beast'. He has filmed and produced 3 documentaries of his own research in The Kettle Moraine 'Finding Jay' in 2019 and 'Beyond the Kettle: Finding Jay 2' in 2022. He has finished post production on his 3rd film 'The Kettle Connection: Finding Jay 3' premiering at the PA Bigfoot Camping Adventure on August 22nd.

Find more about Jay: Jay Bachochin's Website

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Welcome, Well go well do part truth Truth.

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What's going on? Paratruthers. Welcome to a brand new episode

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of Paratruth Free Born. This is a pre recorded show

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on one O seven point seven FM, New Orleans, one

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oh five point three FM on the West Coast and

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United Public Radio Network. My name is Justin and Justin

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I'm sorry Eric is out again today. But today I'm

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gonna be bringing on Jay Bachocin. He is a family

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man in the state of Wisconsin. He has been on

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a solo quest searching for the Wisconsin Sasquatch in southeast

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Wisconsin since twenty thirteen. Jay's been featured on the Travel

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channels in Search of Monsters and also featured in The

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Small Town Monsters The Bray Road Beast. He has filmed

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and produced three documentaries of his own in the Kettle

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Moraine Finding Jay in twenty nineteen and Beyond the Kettle

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Finding j two and twenty twenty two. He has finished

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post production on his third film, The Kettle Connection Finding

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J Three, premiering at the PA Bigfoot Camping Adventure on

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August twenty second, and without further ado, I'm going to

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bring in Jay Bachocin. Jay Welcome to Paratruth Reborn. How's

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it going.

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They're doing good? Justin thanks for having me on tonight.

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Yeah, I'm excited because, you know, Bigfoot has been one

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of those ones cryptids that have been speculated more than

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any other cryptid in cryptozoology and in the paranormal community.

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Even so, it's it'll be interested interesting to get your

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take on it. And I know you've done several documentaries

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of your own and have worked with other projects as well,

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so I feel you're probably one of the best to

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talk to about this since you've been doing it for

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quite a while. But before we get going, what kind

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of sparked your interest in doing Bigfoot research?

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Pure luck? Okay, Yeah. The reason why I'm going to

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say that is usually when you talk to people, they're

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always saying that how long they were interested in the topic.

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Now I won't date myself, but I did see the

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Mysterious Monsters movie at the theater where I saw the

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Paterson Gimmlin film for the first time, and even being

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that young, I looked at that and there was something

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inside me that was saying it was just it looked

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like a guy in a suit. Okay, now that was

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way back then. So I always thought that, you know,

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the Luckness monster could be real. You know, oh, there

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I can go the Luckness And I have seen some

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different type of I'm gonna call them UFOs even back

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in the seventies that you know, we didn't have the

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drones or the type of aircraft that we have today.

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So there was a lot of those things that I

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could believe, even with ghosts. I mean, come out when

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Ghostbusters came out. Who didn't want to bust a ghost

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right or at least go out and look at that.

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And you know, so the next thing, I've kind of

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had that always in my back pocket. And we started

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a paranormal group in two thousand and six, the two

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thousand and seven, and we were just going out and

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investigating the ghost fine evident because of it, because you know,

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Taps ghost Hunters was on TV. Again, I look at that,

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was that for entertainment purposes? Or is this reality? Is

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this real? And I wanted to go out and set

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to find the truth on that that didn't just go

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out and debunk it, but really just go out there

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and get out in the field. This is of course

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a long answer leading up to Bigfoot, because you know,

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throughout that paranormal run, we'd be at conferences and that's

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where I met Linda Godfrey back in twenty eleven at

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one and you know, that was the Beast Bray Road,

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which is which is literally a fifteen minute drive for

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my driveway up to Elkhorn de Bray Road, and so

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I was really kind of focused on that with a

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team of just kind of that legend tripping, but you know,

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you're going out there too discover maybe there's something out there.

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But at the same time, if you've ever been to

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Bray Road, it's just a rural road, a lot of farmland,

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private farmer you know, the areas where you can't really

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get out because it's all private property. Let's just put

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it that way. It's public road. You can go down

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and cruise it. But somehow or another, the one of

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the evenings we ended up in the Kettle Moraine in

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Wisconsin and we got out because you know, if there

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was a big old werewolf, he's going to be trucking

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around here in the Kettle. And that one night in

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twenty thirteen, I remember it vividly. I didn't capture a

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little bit of it, but we heard a call the

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four of us and we're all almost the same age,

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and we never heard anything like that. Now that doesn't

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mean it was you know, the beast ray River or

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anything like that, but it was something that we wanted

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to go and go online to look at other soundboards

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about indigenous animals, nocturnal and during the day, birds, animals,

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and they have just so many different calls and we

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could not find this this kind of like this vocal

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and it almost sounded like literally a primate or type

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of primate monkey, but yet a person as well. So

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again at that point, I was like, it really didn't

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sound like a werewolf or anything like that, but it

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intrigued me to going back. And that's kind of what

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catapulted me of going back into the woods because I

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was trying to find my own truth going out there.

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And you know, when you start doing stuff like that,

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next thing, you know, I'm coming across huge you know,

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prince in the snow that this is actually my first documentary.

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That made me really kind of start to question, I

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wonder if this bigfoot thing is real? And that's kind

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of the long answer to what kind of got me

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into it. So I kind of, you know, by luck,

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looking for a dog man. It's kind of stumbled, you know,

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into the world of bigfoot.

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Okay, Now, I have done a lot of research on

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the Braver Breeze. I loved Linda Godfrey. It's unfortunate she

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passed away when you were doing the research there. And you,

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especially since you've heard that call, do you think that

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maybe the braver Beast is actually a bigfoot over like

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a dog man or werewolf?

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You know, that's always hard to say, obviously, you know,

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no matter how long I've been doing this, there's been

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somebody that's been doing it four times long their whole life,

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and we still never get those answers, obviously. But the

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one thing that I always look at, at least with reports,

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is especially a bit of befriending Linda Godfrey, you know,

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and I always able to ask her things kind of

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off the cuff, you know, kind of off the record.

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And these reports are so genuine that it's hard to

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make that up. But each one of these cases always

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seem to end in this fear beyonder fear, which is

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something different than people having a big foot sighting. I

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think there is you know, fear in that as well,

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but this is a different type. So you know with

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it with looking at something that's going to be you know,

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bipedal standing and two legs like a man, just like

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a bigfoot. But people are looking at these and saying, no,

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but it looks like a dog standing up, or the

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closest thing they can say is werewolf. And so there's

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really no way to one hundred percent say if they're

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related or if it's just a different phenomenon. They cryptid personally,

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In my opinion, I don't. I don't think they're related

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in any way. I think they're their own breed of

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whatever they are, just like a bigfoot. Nobody really knows

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what a bigfoot is, right, So that's kind of my

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take on both of that.

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All right, Well, I mean I again, like I said,

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this is one of those topics where it's been speculated

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over and over what bigfoot is, if it's real. Has

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your view on the Bigfoot changed over the years that

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you've been doing this research?

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Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. When I first started

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doing this and found found the footprints, had little stones

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thrown at me from out of the kettle onto the

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ground with dead on accuracy, hear it, hearing wood knocks,

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all those things were the classic big foot type behavior

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in my opinion, being out there being the observer, however,

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I've also seen something solid move almost as fast as

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if you were going to swat a fly, you you know,

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squat a fly, and you realize you didn't even hit

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it because it moved that fast. Right, and I saw

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something that was just right behind this one tree, and

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it was one hundred percent solid to my eyes, and

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it was really hard to make out exactly what I

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was looking at. Whether it was a head, a shoulder,

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a butt, I mean, who knows, but whatever it was

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was auburn. And this was in February, so the auburn

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really really stood out. And just as I looked over

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to it, because I saw a slight movement, looked over

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to the right, and this thing when from solid to

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a blur within I mean within seconds. I mean it

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was just like a and I could actually see I

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always call it the auburn blur after it moved. It

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was just gone that quick. So in my opinion, now

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it's kind of you know, I was looking for that,

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you know, flesh and blood primate. Now there's you know,

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there's all the different types of fields, you know, the

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bigfoot and you've got the the Apors, which is just

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a flesh and blood primate we haven't caught up with,

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you know, of course, the Wu, which kind of drives

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me nuts because it's kind of more of a you know,

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as soon as you're on the woo, you're ousted out

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of this club. And it really shouldn't because I think

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all these different fields kind of need each other. Oh yeah,

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we have more than anything. You know, Yeah, definitely I

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need the science behind it. But you know, after viewing

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this and interviewing other people that have had encounters, saying, oh,

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they know what they saw, and then all of a sudden,

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it just takes off bester than a blur. Without me

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even saying it, it just seemed to be something that

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is Now I look at it still as flesh and blood.

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It is leaving its prince, it's you know, it's throwing,

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it's you know, it's baking itself known physically. But I

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think it has a I'm going to say not paranormal,

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but a supernatural attribute that they have. And then I

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guess it always goes back to the Biblical times. I

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always say, look, you know, follow our Christ. I read

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the Bible. Now, people could say well, Jay, somebody men

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wrote that you're reading whatever they're believe it. That's my truth,

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that's my faith. And when I'm reading these stories, even

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out of Genesis, you know where Noah's son was eight

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hundred years old, Oh that was just the typo. J

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You know, they're they're exaggerating. You really have to look

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at this word. So then I'm saying, okay, so I

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have to pick and you know, pick and choose what

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fits my paradigm out you know, out here reading this

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and studying it. You know, I always say, you know,

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when Jesus said I died for your sins, did you

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really mean that or did I take that the wrong way? Oh? No,

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that's what he meant. So you can't pick and choose

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out of the Bible. I think that's all truth to me,

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and that's one hundred percent to me. So when I'm

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out here now looking for said primate and now it

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has a supernatural attribute, I'm like, hey, you know what

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Jesus was supernatural and what he was able to do,

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and and that's that just helps me because I'm always saying,

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I'm I'm I'm always thinking outside the box. I'm trying

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to find my truth it'd be great to be just

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an armchair researcher or enthusiast and buy whatever somebody's saying.

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And honestly, that's the hardest part because I could be

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the best you know, snake oilsman, you know, this side

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of Thesissippi or the Lacrosse River. But which I think

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people should take these words and you know, kind of

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take heat from what I'm saying is without you being

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the observer, without you finding that you really don't know

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what that truth is going to be. And that's that's

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kind of how my take has been on with with

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the whole Bigfoot subject right now, is that it exists.

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I've actually had a sighting. I have experienced, you know,

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I'm out there. That doesn't mean I know what it

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is though, right where they're from, what their intentions are

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or whatever. But that's what I keep doing though. That's

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why I keep going out is it's my journey of

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trying to find my truth. It's great that there's sightings

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all over the United States and the world, and I

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don't want to say that's all white noise, but it's

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too much to where I can't compare what's happening in

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my neck of the woods. Literally you know what's going

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on with me versus what's going on with you or

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from where you where you would have heard it, and

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if you heard it secondhand or third hand. So it's

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like I try to put on blinders and just focus

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on what's right here. But at the same time, I'm

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saying a lot of a lot of people have been

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out there, have been doing this for years and years

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and years that they could run circles around me scientifically circles,

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and which is which is great? I just I just

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have a different belief in what what bigfoot is today.

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Yeah, well, and that I'm glad you bring up. You know,

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even the separation in in the bigfoot community in cryptozoology community,

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because you know, paranormal is this huge umbrella term, but

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we all want to think in our own little niche

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and not come together and be like, there's way more

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going on than we really realize.

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No present, that's that in the UFO field, it's perormal

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goes anything because we're not all the same, and we

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have our different opinions, and our opinions count because we're

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our own person, and a lot of people try to

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either just go along with it, which it's hard because

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that's the masses. And then you've got other people that

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try to pull away and you know, try to critically

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think and people would say that about you know, not

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only the Bible, but about Bigfoot or anything else. I mean,

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think about this. We're in that same field. We could

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be talking to somebody who just really doesn't care about

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any of this. You know, they don't have a spiritual side,

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they don't focus on this. You know, they're going to

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go out and golf. That's what they're focusing on. I'm

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just saying, it's it all depends on that person, right. Yeah.

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Now, for when you're going out on an expedition, typically,

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what does that look like for you? Like, what what

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type of prep do you have to do?

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You know what? With that, it's I generally go out

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weekly and I will go out with either family or friends,

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most most friends of the time. But it's those type

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of people that are trying to find their answers too.

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So it's kind of like this journey that we're on

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doesn't begin when you're out in the woods. It literally

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starts before you you go out into the woods. It's

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the planning of it, it's what we're gonna do It's

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it's it's that journey of getting up there and getting

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to our spot. I used to hike all the all

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the time, and I just kind of realized after a

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while that you walk for miles if you wanted to,

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but you're probably passing a lot of things up. Plus,

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I've always said, you know, I don't think we'll ever

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find Bigfoot, but Bigfoot will find us or find me

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or finding Jay. And that's where that term comes from,

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is that I'm gonna go out there and I'm going

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to fish, not literally, you know, fish, Yeah, you know,

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sit out there and enjoy out of the journey of

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being into nature and you know, enjoy trying to get

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unplugged and seeing what happens with the observation. But preparing

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for it because I've been doing this so long and

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this is just a regular thing for me now I do.

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I'll still wear my body cam, I'll still wear my

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audio unit, just kind of tuck those away so I'm

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kind of hands free. But there's not for me, there's

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not a lot of preparation. Besides then getting excited, you know,

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to go out and be the woods is just it's

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nice because you just kind of break away from it all.

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So so my preparation because I do it so often,

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and you know, I'll do it throughout the year. It

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doesn't matter how hot it is, like right now, if

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this was the night I was going to go out,

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you know, like last weekend, we're out. I mean I

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was sweating in places that I didn't know I could

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sweat in. But you know, it's like being out and

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then the mosquito is just sitting by your ear constantly

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and never leaving alone, no matter how much or date

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you put on. But on the flip side of that,

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I'll go out there too. When it's negative twelve. Now

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my equipment really won't work. But over the years it

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hasn't really been about trying to capture that Holy Grail.

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After my sighting, after what I casted to me, there's

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no doubt that they that they are there, what they are.

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That's where I'm still moving forward with being out there

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and fishing, is hoping that one day that connection will happen.

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Okay, now you mentioned the blur and that you feel

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that there there's kind of a spiritual connection to it.

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But in your opinion, is the Bigfoot physical, spiritual, inter

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dimensional being something else entirely. What's your thoughts on that.

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Yeah, my thoughts have always been not I shouldn't say always.

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Let me back up a little bit. To me, at first,

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it was just a flesh and blood primate that we

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haven't caught off, just like discovering the silver back gorillas

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for the first time. And it has changed. What do

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I think? This is me and only me because of

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what my I was gonna say, what my spirituality is,

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what my faith is, what I believe is there one

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hundred percent flesh and blood, But there's something more to

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them that I This is the hard because I always

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say the Nefhelm came down, they made it with some

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women on Earth. They had hybrids are the easy offshoot

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of hybrids. We don't know, but I still think it's

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going to be kind of a physical, supernatural type part

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of it. It's the sighting that I had when I

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saw it just gliding, and I've heard that a lot

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in other reports, but I mean literally that's what it was,

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and there was no smooth terrain back there. And the

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way it moved is sometimes I think, is it even

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physically possible to be moving without moving? And these things

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look like they're almost levitating, and that sounds crazy because

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you find footprints. However, sometimes you find one footprint, sometimes

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you find a trackway and they disappear into nothing nowhere

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for them to jump and climb somewhere else snow or

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to jump in water and swim away. They're just in

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the middle of nowhere. So how do you explain it? Remember,

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you're talking about the paranormal. It's an umbrella term. Well

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so our portals. I've never seen one in theory. From

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what scientists tell me that they could and do exist,

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but we don't know. I mean, first you have to

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find the source of what's leaving these tracks or doing

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whatever it's doing. Once I think, once we get to

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that point and we've seen it ourselves and we convince

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ourselves within our being that they are real. Now it

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does come to that next point of saying, how did

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I find when I casted I was two years ago this,

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you know, almost eighteen inch footprint and there's nothing else anywhere.

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It's almost like it maybe jumped way off a tree,

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hit the ground and jumped again really high to get

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to another train. And that's very possible. I mean, I

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don't know, but that always makes me think of the

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the possibility that they can. I know, saying let levitation

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on her is not though, and I hear it, and

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I can hear people just fringing when I say it.

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But when I when I when I saw this move,

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I mean literally it was moving with no effort or

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no bounce. And I know I was just back there

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and it wasn't on a path or a road. It

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was the terrain. So can anything move that way without

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not being on the ground right it? Maybe it could.

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Again my speculation, I'm I'm wacky j from Wisconsin, So really,

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really what what? What is it? But if you're going

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to ask me, oh, that's kind of where I'd go

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with either that. Really they have super long, you know,

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even longer arms than we thought, and they are just

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holding onto the trees and we can't see how fast

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they're moving their hands to pull them through like they're

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gliding kind of like skiing or swimming, and they're just

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moving and grabbing trees and just pulling. But from what

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I saw, it looked just like I always want to say,

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those one of those big foot cutouts. Okay, it wasn't

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quite you know, the patty look, but it was definitely

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a head shoulders, and it moved through just I mean,

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I'm watching this just like effortlessly, and it just goes

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through and it hits another little patch, a little patch

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where I wouldn't be able to see it just for

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a second, but then still wide open through all these

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standing pines. But it just didn't. It came from nowhere

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and went nowhere, and it made no sense, but it was.

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It was a gaspy moment for me, and I did.

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I didn't. I wasn't able to record it on my

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body camp because I wasn't going to wear a GoPro

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on my head. So if I turned my head, that's

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where I'd be looking. But oh, body cams looking this way,

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and I'm my head's to the right, you know, because

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you're just kind of looking around, you know. I don't

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move around like Frankenstein. And but okay, so you know,

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it's like I missed that. I did have the audio

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capture of my reaction. I don't ever remember being that

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way prior to that or after that. It's just it

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doesn't even sound like me when I'm watching, and I'm

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almost a little bit embarrassed because it's just you could

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just hear the the the air going out of my

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lungs of just gasping, and and I remember it was

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kind of an emotional who was emotional right after that too.

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So I've been doing it for, you know, since twenty thirteen.

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So you think that, you know, the more you go out,

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the more you're going to see it. Because if you're

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going out looking for Bigfoot Jay, you are going to

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see it because your mind is going to matrix that

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together that that's what that is. So I'm kind of

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used to it, and it's been so long that that

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took me from I was leaving. We were actually out

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there for like three and a half hours, and I

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entering around kind of wave into the woods. Hey, we'll

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see guys at the next location next week if you are.

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You know, I'm just talking, just talking to them. You

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usually hear the raccoons laughing after I do that, And

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and I was just getting ready to go, and sure enough,

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there it was. It was just going from left to right,

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and I'll never forget it. It's in my head. People

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are like, Okay, how close were you And I'm like, yeah,

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first I thought it was like a football field the way,

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but it was a lot closer than that. I do

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have been around after relooking at footage and everything like that.

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I mean, it was probably maybe sixty yards. But here's

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the kicker. Even at sixty yarns, I could see that

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it was pure black, but I could see the detail

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of the head, shoulder and the way it moved and

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the arms and everything or at least tucked in, and

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I can I can still remember that. And if that

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was at least sixty yards away, that it would have

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been pretty big for me to see all that detail. Right, yeah,

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right now.

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There's there's skeptics out there about pretty much anything the paranormal.

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But for those that would be skeptics of bigfoot and

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just dismissing it as pure myth or even misidentification, what

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would you say to them?

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They they should be skeptical. That's okay. I think you know,

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my wife is still skeptical. She supports me one, but

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she's she's still skeptical on that. And but that's okay,

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because it's one of those things to where if you

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want to find that, if you're interested, if you really

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like there is something like that, you should not sit

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here and try to listen to people and believe it

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for what it is. But even that's what the skeptic is. Well,

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you know, they could sit there and tell me they're

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blowing the face. Jay, they can shake me there is

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no bigfoot. Then they could shake me and say, Jay,

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there is no God. Jesus never died for you. They

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can do that all they want. It's what's right here.

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That's really is where I'm at right now. So to

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a skeptic, hey, I would say one hundred percent can

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relate to you of what your thoughts are on that.

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And if you don't believe they're there, that is your right.

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That is your truth that they're out there. If there's

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something burning you up a little bit inside to say

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I really want to know, I'm just trying to deny it,

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then I always can encourage people. You should. You know,

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it doesn't take a lot, it doesn't take up a

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camera crew and everything to go out there. Just make

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sure you're safe, make sure you hike with somebody, and

458
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.960
just have a good time just to being with friends

459
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.880
or family and enjoying the woods. Of course, being safe

460
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.440
is number one right now.

461
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.359
It's a good thing you bring that up, because I mean,

462
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.240
there have been people that say that they've been attacked

463
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.720
by either dog Man, Bigfoot. What are your kind of

464
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.039
thoughts on those stories.

465
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.599
Like on the attacks. Yeah, it's those are those are

466
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.079
so hard because they're again they're second or third hand

467
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.559
puld Do you really know? I mean unless you go

468
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.559
like Linda Godfrey did up here in Elkhorn and actually

469
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:37.880
went into the police station to where they actually had

470
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:43.160
a file folder mark werewolves. Okay, there's some some true facts.

471
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.960
There's some true reporting there. The people that say that

472
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:51.519
they've been scratched or things damaged in that you know,

473
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:56.680
I because it's secondhand, unless I knew that person as

474
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.680
close as I could with my family, it would be

475
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.480
really hard to say that each one of those is true.

476
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:08.000
And I'm not saying that they're not, but it's I

477
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.960
don't I just think that there would be a lot

478
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:18.039
more more attention to this, and because I think about

479
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.160
that when I'm out there and even thinking about Bigfoot.

480
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.240
So what's the difference If it was just a natural

481
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.960
crimate that we haven't caught up with yet, that means

482
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.880
it would be wild Okay, But and that is intelligent.

483
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.160
You could say, well, Jay, a wolf is intelligent, right,

484
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:42.079
A bear, a bobcat, they're all intelligent. Heck, even a

485
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.359
mosquito is if you're trying to swat it and knows

486
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.559
you're it's gonna it kind of flies off. I'm just

487
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.680
saying there's some intelligence that. But the difference is with

488
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.119
the attacks is the one thing that separates a bigfoot

489
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.599
from a natural animal is one word, and that's consequence.

490
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.799
And if I'm out there and there's longry enough mountain,

491
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.160
lion or cougar and it had a chance to take

492
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.440
me out, would it Yeah, would it even have regret

493
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.839
or think about after a fact if it if it

494
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.759
did attack. No, it's instinct. Just like a wolf or

495
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.920
a coyote or a bobcat, I mean, any one of these,

496
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:25.160
if they they go for an attack, they don't think

497
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.839
about what's going to happen after. They're just acting upon instinct.

498
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.519
So if these attacks were happening with dog man or bigfoot,

499
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.599
I believe that you don't see a lot of these

500
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.720
cases because they do know what would happen if I

501
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.079
took these people out. What's going to happen right away?

502
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.119
You're just going to have a line search party that's

503
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.680
going to you know, hit your area. It's going to

504
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.640
disrupt your way of living. At least that's what I think,

505
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.079
because otherwise some of these attacks would definitely have to

506
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.559
be a lot more that would have to be a

507
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.400
lot more reported. Again, I don't know if you're just

508
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.119
asking my opinion on that, that's how That's how I

509
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.160
would think about it, because we really don't know, and

510
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.160
there would definitely have to be police reports and not

511
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:18.359
just people saying hearsay or posting on social media that

512
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:24.920
that's what happened. Okay, if it did, it did who knows? Right? Yeah, well.

513
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:32.759
One thing doing this show and even doing paranormal investigations, Yeah,

514
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.160
you have to take people for their word. You weren't

515
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.599
there when it happened. You don't know what they saw,

516
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:46.359
and even if it wasn't something supernatural, that's what they saw,

517
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:51.319
Like there was fear there because of that, did it?

518
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.720
You know? The fear of shape what they saw maybe,

519
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.880
But you can't say they didn't see what they saw

520
00:32:58.960 --> 00:32:59.759
because they did.

521
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.880
And that's what becomes your truth, is you being the

522
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.559
observer because it could be me, you and another person

523
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.440
and we can be back to back to back out

524
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.240
of the dark woods and all of a sudden, you

525
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.599
saw something we didn't. But we're standing right next to you.

526
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.480
I trust you. I turn around and your your eyes

527
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.880
are this big, and you're like, you wouldn't believe what

528
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.680
I just saw. And no matter how much I would

529
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.519
believe you, I still didn't observe that, right, you know

530
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.279
what I'm saying, And uh, And I believe that's That's

531
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.559
how it is. A lot of times people will say, Jay,

532
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:41.160
your eyes will play tricks for you. What you think,

533
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.920
which your brain's going to be thinking, you're the adrenaline

534
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.839
can make you think one way. I one agree with

535
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:55.279
all of those, But there there are times where there's

536
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.880
things that are just unexplainable no matter how you look

537
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.400
at it, because you believe it. It's not so much

538
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.680
I'm just seeing a shadow standing there in the woods

539
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.679
and going I see you. No, it's things that are

540
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.119
there and then they just move so quick, or seeing

541
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:19.119
something just dlied across, you know, sixty yards away. I

542
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:23.079
know what I saw. And maybe that's why, you know,

543
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.760
they put people in the institutions sometimes because they're so

544
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.599
convinced that that's their truth.

545
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:33.639
Yeah, you know, yeah for sure. Now do you feel

546
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:39.679
that the scientific community is coming more around to or

547
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.519
being more open to cryptozoology?

548
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:50.159
Yeah. I think if people focus on that, they don't

549
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.599
try to separate everything. Like just because you go into

550
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.880
an old house, right and you hear a creek that

551
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.320
nobody's up there, it's not immediately a go. I mean,

552
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.559
it's just not when you're out in the woods, just

553
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.400
because you're here a stick break does not mean it's bigfoot.

554
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.760
And with these with with people looking at the science

555
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.800
part of it, sometimes they want to leave out the

556
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:21.039
other facts that happen with either light orbs or something

557
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.039
like that with a bigfoot sighting, and they like to

558
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.480
keep that part aside because they don't want to admit it.

559
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:34.760
Maybe it's a pride thing. I listen. I'll listen to

560
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.679
anybody who's doing this for science all day long. And

561
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.920
I don't sit there and look at them and judge

562
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.239
them for oh, you don't believe like I do. No,

563
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:48.639
I just I think a different way. And it's okay

564
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.000
because I think we all need each other to do this.

565
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.039
But they'll never be like that perfect harmony you know

566
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.079
that people always talk about like that. But some of

567
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.440
these people might be coming around, but maybe they're not

568
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.280
going to admit it because they've denied it for so long.

569
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.239
Unless it really just happens to them and they actually

570
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.000
catch the best evidence that happened right in front of them.

571
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.639
It'd be hard to show people that you've already been

572
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:19.880
such a skeptic that whole time about it.

573
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:27.920
Right, Yeah, Now, a lot of people would would talk

574
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:33.519
about how, you know, we haven't found a body. There's

575
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.880
no real true evidence because pictures are blurry. You know,

576
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.159
you can find the footprints and scat and stuff like that,

577
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.400
but a lot of people just want to talk about

578
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:51.039
how it's fake or misidentification. But do you believe that

579
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:56.000
Bigfoot is avoiding us and maybe that's playing into the

580
00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.000
skepticism or are we just not looking in the right places,

581
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:03.519
especially for those that are regularly in the woods.

582
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:09.519
Right you know, maybe it's maybe it's their rule on

583
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.760
that side that they're not supposed to interact with us.

584
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.719
I mean, I don't know, I just I always think

585
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:18.360
about that. I'm like, you're right, there are plenty of

586
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.679
hunters that go out, there are plenty of people in

587
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:25.480
the woods, and they don't see them, and they're very

588
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.000
well maybe I always think like this anything of the

589
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.360
word for it, But they can't they can't interact with us,

590
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.599
and sometimes when they do, they don't even realize that

591
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.239
we're right there. And I've heard reports of that tour.

592
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.760
It's like I had this sighting. It ran right by

593
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.599
us but didn't even look at us like we were

594
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.119
like we would a squirreled and you're gonna walk outside

595
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:49.920
and like, oh there's a squirrel, so so what You're

596
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.480
just gonna keep going and the squirrel's like just you

597
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.440
see that big human And maybe and maybe that's what

598
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.920
they do again, I don't know. Whenever I hear myself

599
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.400
talk about it, I have my opinions about it, but

600
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.400
I really don't have an answer for that. You know,

601
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:17.599
It's something that I'm hoping with what I've been doing

602
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:21.159
after all these years, that maybe I do break that

603
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.800
for break that contract, if you are that sort I

604
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.119
was looking for. They have a contract to be able

605
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:33.320
to make contact, because that's really what it's been about

606
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.480
for me now for many years now. It's not about

607
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.280
getting that glorified shop because you know, like you're saying,

608
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.880
with the AI and everything like that, even if I

609
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.800
take the best you know, HD footage of it right now,

610
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.199
you know they have the AI fakes everywhere now and

611
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.320
even if there was a body right there, and I

612
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.840
was able to get up close. And no matter what,

613
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.360
you're not gonna be able to convince everybody, and even

614
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.599
when you do, you're only going to convince the ones

615
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:05.960
that are you kind of think the way you do.

616
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.880
So really, what is the purpose of trying to obtain

617
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.519
that type of that type of evidence? People said, well, Jay,

618
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.440
you're being a hypocrite. You wear audio and video, I

619
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.480
do that. Really tended to come home to say, hey, look, sweetie,

620
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.639
look you thought that I was joking about Bigfoot. Look

621
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:30.119
at this or listen to this. And with my kids

622
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.000
who have been coming out with me since, you know,

623
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.320
since they were walking, and they just to be able

624
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.480
to say, you know, your dad's not crazy, your husband's

625
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.400
that crazy, or to my family, but as far as

626
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.480
the rest of the world, you know, you're not going

627
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:47.960
to be able to convince them. And I don't want

628
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.199
to waste all my energy into doing that.

629
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.920
Oh yeah, I had one hundred percent because Eric and

630
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.719
I have said it right here on this show. Even

631
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:03.400
you know, Jesus could come back, you know, it would

632
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:06.519
be televised, you know everything, and people are like, no,

633
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.400
it's fake. Look, you can see the the green screen

634
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:11.960
behind him all fake.

635
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.599
Hey, you know what it would be like that on

636
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.800
anything you watch you know, yeah, yes, anything you watch

637
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.920
on TV that starts with N and ends with us.

638
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.840
You don't you don't know. I'm just saying you don't know.

639
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.679
And at that point, that's where you're going to have

640
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:34.119
to really kind of focus and and your your gut instinct,

641
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.400
you know, that discernment that you have. You know, who

642
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.599
knows when Project Bloom Blue Beam will start? Right? And

643
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.199
I mean the the technology that I believe we have,

644
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:51.079
especially after watching Spider Man No Way Home with was

645
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.559
that or was that the second one? I'm sorry it

646
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.639
was the mystereo where he had all the drones. Oh yeah,

647
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.639
and he was able. They're able to do pers and

648
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.159
actually use to blow things up or whatever, and it

649
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.480
they could just make it look so real, And you

650
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:12.599
wonder if that's what could happen around us here or

651
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.719
you know, if technology is getting that much better, people

652
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.480
will have, you know, not a really shaky camera, but

653
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.519
here's my phone. Look, there's a bigfoot and it's just

654
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:27.440
all AI generated, right, and so there could be stuff

655
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.000
on there now that you just kind of scroll right

656
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.599
by because there's another fake, another fake, another fake, right,

657
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:36.239
you know, and all of a sudden it's like, hey,

658
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.079
here's this guy Jay. And all I'm doing is trying

659
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.559
to encourage people to go out and find their truth.

660
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.079
That's it. I'm not trying to convince you that you

661
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.519
have to believe anything that I have is is what

662
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.199
it is. I'm just the living proof of trying to

663
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.639
go find it. That's it.

664
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.559
Now, with doing all of these this research documentaries, doing

665
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.280
talks stuff like that, what's the most common misconception people

666
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:05.960
have about your work?

667
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.719
Well, people still, you know, say that I'm out big

668
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.719
footing or squatching. I never do that. I'm a hiker

669
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.280
and I'm a truth seeker, so I'm kind of biking

670
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:18.880
and truth seeking while i'm out there. But I never

671
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:24.639
say I'm squatching because I think the woods itself is

672
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.559
has a lot more going on to it than just bigfoot.

673
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:33.320
In my opinion, that's just trying to learn, you know,

674
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:37.239
some of the Native American ways. I don't have an

675
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.800
ounce of Native American in me, but I do like

676
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.519
the way that they had that connection back then versus

677
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.000
what we have now. We just we just lost it.

678
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.719
I think it's still there, but I think we have

679
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.719
to make an effort to try to do that. So,

680
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.760
you know, the you were saying, if what misconception? Yeah,

681
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.159
on what? On my work? Right, And a lot of

682
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.519
people think that that's what I do, is just go

683
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.079
on Bigfoot and knock on trees and call and stuff,

684
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.000
and I don't. I used to, but I don't anymore.

685
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.000
And because I've just kind of took on a whole

686
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.960
different level of respect for the woods that I never

687
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.159
thought i'd have. I stayed away from the ticks and

688
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.320
poison ivy that are out there, and I was getting

689
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.360
hit by the brider everything. You're just all scratched up.

690
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:30.920
Now I'm just going to stand in a path I don't,

691
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.079
you know, the mosquitos, And I stayed away from that.

692
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.320
Now nothing can keep me away from it, which is

693
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.119
that draw that pulls me there? So a lot of

694
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.679
people think that, right, my work is primarily all Bigfoot related,

695
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.159
when it really isn't. It's a it's pretty much the

696
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.960
gamut when I'm out there, and that's what I say.

697
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.840
So I'm going out hiking, I'm looking, I'm documenting. I'm

698
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:59.800
a documentarian. So if I'm out there and I document something,

699
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:01.920
we just and I just we just kind of keep

700
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.920
learning from those. And that's the other thing, is like

701
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.719
an education going out into the woods now. But that's

702
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.400
why I kind of stay in my area. I don't

703
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.239
have all my answers. You know, people are always saying, well,

704
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.159
you know so much woods up there, don't you travel

705
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:17.480
over here? Why don't you go over here? You know,

706
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.559
kind of finding big fudges go all over I don't

707
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.760
have my answers. I don't have that communication. And I

708
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.280
feel it's here and I feel like it's close, and

709
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.920
it's a that's one of the best feelings about it.

710
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.840
But yeah, misconception is just I'm a squatcher, gotcha. Yeah?

711
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.639
Well, and like you said, even though you started out

712
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.559
that way, it's much different. And I think all researchers

713
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:48.440
start out one way, yeah, and then their work shapes

714
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.679
their view and changes it quite a bit.

715
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.880
And I think that's part of life, isn't it. I mean,

716
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.719
it's what defines us. That's why I don't have regrets

717
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.360
of anything I've had in my life, because without doing those,

718
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.320
I wouldn't be here talking to you. There'd be a

719
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.199
whole different scenario going on. Like, and that's how I

720
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:12.119
am about speaking about my work. My work is going

721
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.199
to be completely you know, one eighty compared to everybody

722
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:18.159
else that might be staying on that type of path.

723
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.760
And I'm not gonna I'm not knocking anybody. I sometimes

724
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.159
I look at it saying, jeez, Jake, can you make

725
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.760
up your mind and stick to that? But I can't

726
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.440
because everything just keeps evolving, and every time it does,

727
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.039
I'm just like, because it is funny. And I'm going

728
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.280
to back up a little bit to where when I

729
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.199
first was going out and I was going out with them,

730
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.760
somebody who was researching ghosts, and I'm out there and

731
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:44.840
he goes, do you every think that bigfoot? Is it

732
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:48.440
like a spirit or ghost or anything? And I'm like, dude,

733
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.280
get out of here. This is this is you know,

734
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.559
flesh and blood, primate city. Baby, you know, get out

735
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:55.960
of here. But you know, and I didn't. But it's

736
00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:01.360
funny because wow, I started thinking that more too. But

737
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.400
then you know, you get labeled the woo. Then he

738
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:07.199
gets shunned down like oh he's a WU guy. You know. Yeah,

739
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.159
but you know, but then when you're finding the physical evidence,

740
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.280
then you know it's flesh and blood, and then you

741
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:17.960
know a lot of times there they're just like, well,

742
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.960
then how come you don't ever find bones or a

743
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:24.119
body then? And I'm like, well, okay, now, you know,

744
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.400
don't hate me for this, but you know back in

745
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.840
the day, you know knows someone who was helping him

746
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:33.480
with the arc he was eight hundred years old. You

747
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:38.519
know what if these almost have what that longevity was

748
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:41.400
of how they had the days of the old and

749
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.719
not everybody, it would answer a lot of questions of

750
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.639
saying it would keep population control. And you know, the

751
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.559
one that I saw two years ago could have been

752
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.239
the one that you know, a Native American could could

753
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.199
have seen in the early you know, seventeen hundreds. I'm

754
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.559
just just think about that. That's where I get outside

755
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.840
the box. It's kind of like it it's like Yoda,

756
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.159
but you know, because let's bring it back down to

757
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.559
the real world. And then I always think of like

758
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.320
like the tortoises on how old boy, you know, are

759
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.480
the because or or the one that really got me

760
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.199
was two thousand and sixteen, I believe it was. You know,

761
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.719
they're doing the crabbing or they're doing labster catching up

762
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:31.239
somewhere those c's up there, okay, and they're bringing up

763
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.960
one of their pods, and when they did, they noticed

764
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.559
this one labster that was just very unique looking compared

765
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.440
to all the other ones. But you know, once they

766
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.960
cleared it all out, they saw that they crushed that labster.

767
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.920
But there's still it was such a unique looking thing.

768
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:51.719
And what they it wasn't so much that was unique.

769
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.960
They actually did the like the autopsy on it, you know,

770
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.519
just because it was so unique, and they found out

771
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:59.719
that was the same type of opster they were catching.

772
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:05.000
But it's four hundred years old. Wow. And and again

773
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.559
now people say, okay, well, Jay, you keep going away

774
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.719
from mammal because we have to compare our Bigfoot two

775
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:16.280
to us because it's upright, it's Harry Steams, you know,

776
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.920
doesn't brush its teeth. You know, I'm just saying, you

777
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.199
know that it's like that. But it does make you wonder,

778
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.559
or makes me wonder what other things have a longer

779
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.400
longevity than we think. It's really hard for me to

780
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.599
say there's a bigfoot out there, a juvenile. You know,

781
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:39.880
that bigfoot theory is probably seventy two. The juvenile, you know,

782
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.239
probably about thirteen or forty, you don't know, right, And

783
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.440
again I don't know either, So I don't want to

784
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.519
make it sound like I'm putting anybody else down, but

785
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.320
don't put my theory down either, because it's a very

786
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.360
good chance that's why we don't see the bones or

787
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:59.159
anything like that as well, even though they probably bury

788
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.400
their dead and I've heard all that too, is the

789
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.920
social part of it, but maybe that's why there's not

790
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.719
a lot of them in my opinion.

791
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.920
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a very good point. I mean,

792
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:11.800
I was just going to bring up the whole You know,

793
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:16.639
turtles live for a very long time. There's been alligators,

794
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.880
and yes, all those are reptile, amphibious, whatever, right, but

795
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:29.159
who's to say that a quote unquote mammal couldn't be

796
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.320
living that long. And the other part of it too

797
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.599
is to our knowledge, you know, the big creatures that

798
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.719
we know of today don't have that long of a life, however,

799
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.000
but there's elephants that are living at least one hundred years,

800
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.239
maybe a little bit longer.

801
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:50.360
So right, No, No, I mean that's it's a good

802
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.760
way to think outside in the box that way, because

803
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.719
it's like none of us are right and none of

804
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:02.159
us are wrong. It's just opinion that labels and that's

805
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.480
how coo ND never getting a pissing contest with anybody

806
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:06.360
because it's like I get you can sit there and

807
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.679
argue too. You're blue in the face. You believe what

808
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.719
you believe, and that's okay, that's discernment. That's you trying

809
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.559
to find your truth. And even when we find that truth,

810
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.679
the next you know, there's gonna be a billion more

811
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.639
questions to get to that final and we may never

812
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.519
get there. So then I always say, you know what,

813
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.360
the just step back, take a look around, smell the roses,

814
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:36.119
enjoy your journey. But it's a it's definitely been one

815
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:40.679
of the the you know, one of the best things

816
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:42.719
that I think I could have done, because it's it's

817
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.440
nature and it's getting out there and it's it's observing.

818
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.880
You have to be the observer, and that observes somebody

819
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.679
else's secondhand story or third hand story. Again, I'm talking

820
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.119
about my own documentaries. That's great that people want to

821
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.800
watch it, that's good, But I don't want people to

822
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.239
forget that they need to be the observer to really

823
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:10.039
believe what this could be to them.

824
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:16.599
Okay, now do you think that TV movies is helping

825
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.199
or hurting the search for Bigfoot, whether it's you know,

826
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:20.920
the fictional or non fictional.

827
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.719
It's weird. And it's weird because there's a lot of

828
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.239
people that ask me and I don't even watch my

829
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.599
own documentary. I just kind of live it, put it together,

830
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.159
then put it out. But you know, when things are

831
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.960
on TV, you kind of well, I guess it kind

832
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.199
of helps because you know, it gives you that little

833
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.360
bit of the inspiration you know, from the shows of

834
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.400
how they do it. I can do that too, and

835
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.039
you know, I'll admit that's kind of how I was

836
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.719
as well when I first started doing this, kind of

837
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.559
like when we first started doing ghost hunting, you know, ghosts,

838
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.679
you know, the ghost hunters, the taps was something that

839
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:05.719
we would go by and try to be And yeah, definitely,

840
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:11.760
the I think it's very it's it's helped to where

841
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:15.440
people show interesting. I think we'll talk about it, Morris,

842
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.079
not as much dogma, you know, speaking about the subject,

843
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.559
and people tend to maybe believe you a little bit

844
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.320
more because it's kind of just you know, in our society,

845
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:27.079
you can't go anywhere without releasing a big footsticker on

846
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.599
a car. You know or anything like that. So I

847
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.599
think I definitely think it's it's helped the awareness, I

848
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.559
should say, just like anything else. And you know, as

849
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:43.639
far as these other things of researchers, I think that

850
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.239
with everybody having there's a different opinion, I think it

851
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.840
more helps the situation at the end, as long as

852
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.639
people don't get in. Do you know this whole pride thing?

853
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.320
You know, you're right, yeah, you know what I'm talking about,

854
00:52:59.400 --> 00:52:59.920
right right?

855
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:06.480
Yeah, Well it when I was when I was a kid,

856
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.079
I had an English teacher. I grabbed a book from

857
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:13.880
the library. I don't even know why this book was

858
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.239
in our library. Maybe we were a little more open

859
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.519
minded compared to other areas, but there there was a

860
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.440
Bigfoot and Luckdess monster books.

861
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:26.960
In the library.

862
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.719
And I was having a conversation with my English teacher

863
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:40.519
and he's like, well, just because a book says it's real,

864
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:45.639
that doesn't mean that doesn't make it real. And that actually,

865
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:48.920
as much as I was like upset about it when

866
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.639
he had said it, he was really trying to open

867
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:56.679
my my eyes and be like, Okay, you know, yes,

868
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.960
maybe it is real, but it's okay to have some

869
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.039
skepticism and not believe everything you see or read exactly.

870
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.320
But that's our society. You think about that, you tell

871
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:12.920
why so many times it becomes truth, and then that

872
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:17.440
truth becomes the way the way we live. I mean,

873
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.960
there's really no way of digging back to it. So

874
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.880
I completely agree. Whether it's a book that somebody puts

875
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.159
out going wow, I believe that, I'll step aside there.

876
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:30.199
Maybe it's not right. Same thing with anything that we see.

877
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.760
Like I said on TV, it does bring awareness to it,

878
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:35.960
but it's one hundred percent true. You know, you can

879
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:37.760
shake your head and go, it could be or it

880
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:41.239
couldn't be. All right, that's gold every documentary that I

881
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:44.239
put out, same thing. You can look at it, take

882
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:48.440
it for what it's worth. And that's how come, you know,

883
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.079
when it comes down to it, I'm glad that that

884
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.239
teacher told you that you know, that gave you that

885
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.440
not everything that you read is Israel. I like that.

886
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.360
I'm going to kind of help you so you on

887
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:01.679
your path that you're on today.

888
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.280
Yeah, like I said, I was upset at the time,

889
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.320
just because it's like one of those things like somebody's

890
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.159
questioning you and you're like, well, how could you not

891
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.199
like somebody wrote a book about it, but it really

892
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.199
was like, no.

893
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:17.800
You're you're right.

894
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.320
I shouldn't believe everything I see on TV or read

895
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:22.000
in a book.

896
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:25.800
And I know. The good thing was that he told

897
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.920
you not to not to not believe it just right,

898
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:30.880
I mean, think about it. It was more to make

899
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.039
you think about what you're reading, to see if that's

900
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:38.280
real or not. That's right to see the plant, right, Yeah,

901
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:40.280
that's all right.

902
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.960
We are getting close to the end of the show,

903
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:44.559
so I want to give you the chance to tell

904
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.920
everybody where they can find you find the work.

905
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.079
The MIC's all yours, all right, Well, the way to

906
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.400
find J is to find J. Come on, I had

907
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.920
to throw that little pun of there. Uh, You've definitely

908
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:02.079
find me on my website jabachochin doc there. You'll also

909
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:05.079
be able to find me on social media, just one

910
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.079
of them Facebook. I used to have all of them

911
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:11.599
just Facebook on my website, though, feel free to peruse

912
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:16.400
the different evidence that I believe that trace evidence, I

913
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.159
should say, that's up there. And also I do have

914
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.920
a storefront where you can purchase any of my movies.

915
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:28.239
And actually my third movie, The Kettle Connection is Finding J.

916
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.760
Three is premiering August twenty second this year down in

917
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:36.480
a PA big Foot camping adventure in Pennsylvania. It will

918
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:41.679
be available on my website on September first. So thank

919
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.760
you so much for having me on here tonight. And

920
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.199
I definitely appreciate the giving me, giving me the stage

921
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.360
to make me babble, because I do babble a lot.

922
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:56.199
Well, there's nothing among with that. It's important for us

923
00:56:56.199 --> 00:57:01.079
to get information like this out. I thank you for

924
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.480
coming on as well because it's again one of the

925
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:08.320
topics that both Eric and I were on the fence

926
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.960
on what bigfoot is, if it's even real. Unfortunately, we

927
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.400
haven't been out there in the field to do you know,

928
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.199
cryptod research. We've done ghost hunting to we're blue in

929
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the face, and I think he and I would be

930
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ecstatic to go out on an expedition at some point.

931
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Yeah, I'll tell you what, if you ever hear Wisconsin,

932
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I'll get you out there that we don't do legend

933
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tripping here. We do j tripping. And I don't mean

934
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that I would trip anybody, you know, I see who

935
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.079
gets away first or anything, but you know it is

936
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.719
It's true. I started out just like you. You know, just

937
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.760
doing the paranormal investigating and sooner or later I just

938
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.800
kind of shifted. Doesn't mean that I don't believe in

939
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.840
the ghosting or anything anymore. But there's something about the

940
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.559
woods and the tangibility that's out there that's really drawing

941
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me in, you know, oh for sure. Yeah, So all right,

942
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we're gonna look me up.

943
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:06.920
Sounds good. I'm gonna put you in limbo for a

944
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.920
second so I can close out. So hang on there

945
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.239
with me and then I'll be back with you in

946
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just a minute.

947
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All right. Thanks.

948
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All right, folks, check out Jay Pachocin's work and check

949
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:26.760
out the documentaries and it's it's one of those things

950
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.159
where I want you guys to see the work and

951
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:33.719
just judge for yourself, just like we say every episode.

952
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.840
We bring you the information, you'd be the judge. But

953
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that being said, I would love to hear you guys

954
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:43.639
opinion on this and you know, like, share, subscribe, comment,

955
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.920
no matter where you're at. Again, this has been a

956
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pre recorded show on one oh seven point seven FM,

957
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New Orleans, one oh five point three FM on the

958
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:56.239
West Coast and United Public Radio Network until next week,

959
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where you'll find us same time same channel.

960
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My name is Usin. Talk to you guys later. H