July 20, 2025

Unraveling Demonic Possession Secrets

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Is possession just a religious myth—or is there something more sinister lurking beneath the surface? In this chilling episode, we peel back the layers of one of the most feared and misunderstood paranormal phenomena: demonic possession. Join us as we explore historical cases, real-life exorcisms, psychological perspectives, and firsthand accounts that blur the line between science and the supernatural. What really happens when a demon takes hold—and can anyone be truly safe?

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Welcome. Wel go, well, do Parah Truth.

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Truth, What's going on?

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Paratruthers.

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Welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn. This

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is a peer recorded show on one of the seven

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point seven FM New Orleans and United Public Radio Network.

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My name is Justin.

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And I'm Eric.

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And tonight, prepare to be disturbed as we uncover chilling

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accounts of demonic possession from around the world, from exorcism

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has gone wrong to unsettling rituals that just will drive

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you crazy. This journey will reveal a dark side of

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humanities belief in the supernatural. Now, something that fascinates me

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is in today's day and age, everybody associates demonic possession

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with the religion of Christianity, and I feel that has

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a lot to do with the Catholic faith and I'm

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doing the exorcisms that they do.

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However, I actually think it has more to do with

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pop culture and that could be too, yeah, various movies.

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Yeah, but it actually goes back a very very long way.

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I mean, we're going back to almost prehistory in the

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world of demonic possession. A little bit about it in

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ancient civilization's demonic possession was a widespread belief often linked

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to illness, misfortune, and mental disability, meaning they believe demons

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caused those things. Across various cultures from Mesopotamia to ancient Greece,

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people attributed their afflictions to malevolent spirits or demons entering

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a person's body. This belief led to the development of exorcism,

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rituals and practices aimed at expelling these entities. Now, in

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ancient Mesopotamia, it was believed that demons cause a wide

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range of ailments, both physical and psychological. They utilized incantations,

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prayers to gods, and rituals involving and I'm sorry, involving

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the destruction of demon effigies to combat these entities. I'm

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assuming there must have been effigies in the location of

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the person that was being possessed, or maybe they created

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the effigies just to destroy them to get the demon.

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It doesn't really tell you that part Chris. Priests and

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healers known as asipu were responsible for identifying and expelling demons,

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often drawing on knowledge from various fields like medicine and philosophy.

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By in ancient Greece, the concept of daemons existed or demons.

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That's I believe that's where the word demon kind of

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originates from. This ancient Greek which could be both benevolent

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and malevant malevolent. These demons were often linked to psychological

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states and in their forces, not just external spirits and

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extrasm practices while pre set or while present, might have

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focused on addressing internal imbalances rather than solely on external

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demon expulsion. There's other cultures that went through a demonic

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possession rituals. Ancient Persia with figures like so Roaster, date

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Zoroster also had beliefs about demonic possession and developed extra

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some practices. Actually, ancient Egyptians had the cases of this

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as well, where priests performed virtuals to ward off evil spirits.

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Even regions like Bali, demonic spirits are still believed to

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exist and are hunted annually, which.

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Is kind of weird. How do you hunting demons annually?

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It's just all get you.

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As I have kind of read on the practices in Bali.

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Can I recall them right now?

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No?

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I I didn't write them down, but yeah, I have

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seen it and it's kind of interesting, but it's yeah,

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in today's day and age. I mean Christian These still

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does exorcisms, however, yet to hunt a demon. Yeah, that's

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just different.

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Do you think that the name is I mean, it

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might be a throster. I think it's zero Ester.

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Okay, yeah, that's one that I've never seen before. So

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religious beliefs heavily influence how possession narratives are constructed, understood,

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and responded to across cultures, of course, and I believe,

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you know, regardless, your religion plays into what you think

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of as demons as well identity of the possessing agent.

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In most cultures, the obssessing and ties are often identified

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based on the prevailing religious beliefs, such as spirits of

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deceased individuals, deities, animals, or doubles. I feel in today's

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day and age, it's a little bit less of the individuals,

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deities and animals and more so honing in on devils

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and demons. But I could be completely wrong on that.

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I mean, again, that's just it's still culturally. So you know, well,

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obviously in what over here is obviously in primarily demons

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stuff where you're looking at various several countries and in

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the areas of Africa, Indonesia, et cetera. We're starting getting

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to other entities that would potentially be benevolent or capable

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of possessing people or even just opressing right.

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Right, So, in Sri Lanka, the cultures there are influenced

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by Hinduism and Buddhism, possessing spirits might be identified as

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Hindu gods or indigenous deities. In Islamic tradition, possessing en

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sees are commonly identified as Gin. And I want to

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say we've done a episode on the Gin. But Gin

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are basically inhabiting a parallel world to humans and are

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made of light and fire. But I believe they look

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very much like humans visually if I remember correctly.

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I think it depends on the stories, because they also

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have the ability to form or change as they as

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they will not entirely a shape shift, but you know,

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they could take on heapen like forms. They tend to,

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as they said, a pair, appear as light or fire.

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I mean typically when I hear a stories about the Gin,

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they manifest as like kind of like this pillar of

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fire in a way, so not really like a particular form,

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it's just this almost fire and smoke like entity that

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kind of appears. Doesn't necessarily burn or anything like that.

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It's just their appearance. Which again, you know, when you

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consider all the various entities out there that you just

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kind of went over, there is various beliefs that state

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all these entities are one and the same being, but

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they manifest in a certain way based on the culture's

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belief system. So Jin may still very well be the

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Christian demon and vice versa. Likewise, these Hindu gods may

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just be you know, again, some demon, whether it be

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Christian or otherwise, that is manifesting as a Hindu god

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in order to associate better with the individuals in that culture.

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You know, people understand it. The last thing, of course Christian,

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at least in the Christian doctor. And what demons want

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to do or don't want to do, is let you

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believe that they're even there. Their goal is not to

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let humans know that they exist, because if they exist,

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then that strikes fear him. Fear leads to wanting relief

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or release. And they know that if there's a demon alive,

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there's probably something much greater and it has to be God.

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So you know.

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That there's like a whole structure that goes into demonic

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possessions in particular and that's, you know, aside from the

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oppressions and afflictions and all that which happened outside of

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the human conscience embody, whereas position possession tends to be

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within mm hmm.

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Right. Something that.

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I kind of struggled with looking at this information is

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the interpretation and content of the experiences. And I don't

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know if there's any cases where in different cultures, different religions,

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where you can do like in Christianity and get to

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supposedly getting the demon's name in order to exercise it.

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I you know that that's more of a Catholic thing,

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because in most Christianity you don't even need the name

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for an exorcism, right.

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Well, I would even say it's Christianity. It's unbiblical to

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claim that you need a demon's name in order to

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check outside out. There's no substance within the scripture, as

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I say, we need to know that there's only been

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one case in which a demon willingly gave up its name,

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and it wasn't even really a full name. It's called

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themselves legion. But Jesus never asked for a name. None

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of the other disciples have been casting out spirits ever

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asked for names. So it is highly specifically a Catholic

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doctrine that has been passed down through various branches of Christianity,

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and it's also something that's been taken into account in

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many pop culture movies. So it's kind of a misunderstanding.

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It's a belief system that isn't necessarily entirely accurate. But

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that's not to say there aren't people out there who

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can get the name of a demon and use it.

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You know. The belief is when you have the demon's name,

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you kind of have control, you have power over it basically. Now,

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whether or not that's true, I can't say for sure.

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You know, I've cassed out demons without knowing names, so

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and I know plenty of people who have. So it's

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really just down to the individual. You know, if you

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feel like you need that, you need to try to

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get the name. I think you know it is what

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it is, and if not, then you go about it regardless.

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But again, yeah, I think a lot of what we

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know about demonic possession in general is highly based on

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pop culture, just because of the movies that have been

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rolling out since the seventies and the eighties. Demons are

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very much designed in the movies to kind of strike

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terror as they should. There is a very strong reason

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why demons were accounted for in the Gospels. These are

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something that we really need to focus on and be

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concerned about as individuals living here on earth. Now, does

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that mean that demons are going to be, you know,

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nipping out our toes and her heels and everything every

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step of our way? Maybe maybe not. But the idea

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of possession, the actual fact that demons can possess roughly

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translates to about one percent of all true cases. In

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many cases, as we'll talk about in a little long here,

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tend to have more scientific background to it, and maybe

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isn't necessarily possession, But that's something that has to be

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discerned between two various parties that work together.

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So, as I mentioned earlier, you know, religious beliefs kind

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of shape the narrative for possession cases on both us

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as individuals and as communities, and how we understand and

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attribute meaning to the symptoms and experiences associated with possession.

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The content of a person's experiences during possession, like speaking

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in different languages or having supernatural strength, can be interpreted

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through the lens of their religious framework. I mean again,

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this kind of goes against uh goes with pulp culture

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over necessarily Christian belief. But an example of this is

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in Christianity, someone who's possessed does have kind of supernatural strength,

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which might be seen as evidence of demonic influence.

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And barking back biblical accounts. Well in that, I mean,

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it really depends on the level of possitionsion. I have

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talked to foreign minister foreign missionaries who overseas had encountered

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various demonic possessions, and I have been told the stories

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in which they're praying over an individual and this individual

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is laying on their mat in this little hut tent whatever,

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straight as a boorge is, arms to their side, legs

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straight out, laying on their back, and all of a sudden,

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without moving a single limb, they just swing up, kind

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of like you would see Dracula rising up from his coffin. Right.

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They say that it's absolutely incredible and kind of crazy

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to witness because there's no reasonable explanation for it, no

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scientific explanation for it. It can't be done by the human body,

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which would suggest some sort of spiritual force then being

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able to manipulate the person's body, and when it comes

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to speaking different languages, you really have to consider. And

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this is where you may have a educator there to

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understand better or know the person's background in language, especially

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because if someone speaking the language that they don't know,

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that they've never in their life have studied, it's really interesting, right, Like,

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that's odd most of us. I can't speak Italian, I

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can't speak Spanish, I can't speak anything but English, Speak English.

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You know, if I'm suddenly out of know where speaking

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in another language, or even more so, speaking in tongues,

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which is a very different thing. This is speaking in

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tongues is basically a u a spiritual language, a language

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of the angels. Basically it can't really be interpreted by humans.

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But with that said, regard this. If somebody does not

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have the education and yet they're capable of speaking it fluently,

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whatever it is, then that's an indication that maybe there's

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something more happening that is beyond a scientific explanation. Now, yes,

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science cans still kind of break it down and say, well,

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this is something that was kind of locked away in

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their mind from watching some movie or whatever, you know,

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and it released in this moment where their mind is

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kind of like free. I guess. But again that's where

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you have locked with individuals. You know, it shouldn't be

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like when you're doing an exorcism, you typically want someone

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who is obviously an exorcist, a protectioner, who can be

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there and do the extorcism, but you also want someone

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who's medically advanced, who can understand the symptoms that they're

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going through, be aware of what's happening, because, mind you,

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we've talked about this in the past, episodes in which

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shamanic possessions end up in the death or resulting the

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death of the individual because of the Norman crazy amount

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of ways that some of these exorcists tried to cast

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out demons, making them drink various liquids that are poisonous,

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or burying their head into water and they drown, stuff

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like that. So having somebody on stand by, a medical

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practitioner you can keep an eye check pulse rates, make

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sure everything seems well with the human body is important

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when actually doing a exorcism in itself, and it doesn't

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of course, it certainly helps. At least it doesn't hurt

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to have someone who has a scientific mind there as well.

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They may not believe in the whole thing, but having

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someone there who can at least do the initial study

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case and see, hey, maybe this person just has schizophrenia,

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maybe this, maybe that, and you work. It's why you

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don't typically go in and just do an extraism. The

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day you learn that someone is supposedly possessed, you have

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to write his background work, right.

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Well, I mean, and it's not just clergy that do that.

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There have been mothers that have done that to their kids,

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make them drink bleach because they think they're possessed, and

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it's yeah, it's it's rather disgusting, I mean, even more

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so from a religious person who should know better. However,

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there are those that think that they're doing the right

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thing and doing that.

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I mean, I shouldn't say that because mothers shouldn't have.

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Yeah. So, help seeking behaviors and rituals. Religion influences of

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the types of help people seek and the rituals they

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engage in to address perceived possession. In many cultures, individuals

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might first consult religious healers, undergo exorcism ceremonies, or engage

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in practice practices specific to their religious traditions before seeking

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other forms of help such as psychiatric services. However, like

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Eric said, I feel that should be a working hand

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in hand situation, not just going one over the other

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before you.

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Go to the next one.

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I feel you should have a psychiatric valuation before you

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even consider demonic possession.

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Right, and this is something that you know you have

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to tread lightly and very carefully. Oh yeah, because again

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it does depend entirely on the individual's bleek systems. If

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they don't believe in medicine, then they believe they can

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only be healed through faith and prayer, well, then that's

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most likely what they're going to do. They're not going

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to go seek medical attention. There are plenty of people

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who have risked various diseases, cancers and just refuse to

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get medical treatment because they believe that their faith is

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strong enough they'll be healed. In where cases it's true

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and they're healed, and in others, you know it, they're not.

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They die. Now that's not to say that God isn't faithful.

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It's just part of the plan of what happened. But

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I think it's important. Like I know plenty of individuals

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Christians in particular, who don't believe in medicine. I believe

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God created individuals to create medicine and help us help

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people fight illness and get better. And you know, God

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doesn't want us all dying because you know, we're neglecting

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our health. That's actually He speaks against it throughout scripture,

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that we should be taking care of our bodies. But yeah,

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you know it's it's true. Like there's nothing wrong. Like

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when you think maybe you know someone you know is

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possessedor and maybe someone that you know believes that they

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are possessed, there's nothing wrong with getting clergy, being a Christian, friends, family, etc.

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To start praying for that individual, whether it be a

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possession or health symptoms or whatever they should be praying. Meanwhile,

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that person should first go seek medical attention and see

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what is said, especially psychiatric help, depending on of course

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the symptoms. And then once you exhaust all those options

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and maybe medication doesn't work or whatever, or you don't

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want to take medication, then to resort to the actressism.

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It's always best to do it that way first, because

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on the flip side, if you're doing an exorcism first

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and there's something wrong medically, there's a good chance that

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things could get worse.

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Yeah, Now with that being said, I mean there are

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so many psychological disorders that would make you think or

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feel somebody is possessed or even mimic some of the

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things that we would call possession or even oppression, disassociation

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or disassodiate disassociative disorder involves a disruption of a personal's

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normal integration of consciousness, memory, identity, emotion, perception, and behaviors.

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Dissociative disorders, including uh D i D Disassociative identity disorder

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previously known as multiple personality disorder, can involve individuals feeing

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as though they have other identities or entities present in

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their selves, influencing their thoughts, behaviors, and actions. A lot

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of these times, a lot of the time, the identity

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or personality will take hold of the body supposedly and

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you know, will will make people act the way that

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they wouldn't normally be acting.

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Well, if I can throw in an example here from

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personal experience, this is very personal. Listen to somebody I know.

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This is me who has obsessive compulsive disorder physically diagnosed

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for years now. I have thoughts that I can't control.

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There are intrusive thoughts, is what they're known as. And

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many people, most people have intrees of thoughts to some extent,

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but typically people are able to have that thought and

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then immediately just discard it, like that's not a real thought,

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that's fake, that's not going to happen. Whereas I lacking

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a certain filter within my mind which I have to

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take medication for. Once I latch onto that thought, I

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have that negative thought. I replayed that thought over and over,

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and I actually start to believe that thought is going

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to happen, that thing is going that whatever it is,

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death to somebody, harmless, some sort illness, etc. And because

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I start believing that it's going to happen, I start

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to fall into compulsions. This could be like switching lights

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on and off, or washing my hands a bunch of times,

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weird noises or ticks, contorting various limbs or whatever to

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try to get my mind off of these things. And So,

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from that standpoint, knowing for a fact that I do

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have obsessed with positive disorder, there are plenty of people

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around who might see me out in public and be

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like there's something off here, Like I don't control my thoughts.

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I can't. It's not easy, and as a result, I

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tend to because of the contorting person washing and stuff.

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I kind of lose control, so as if somebody else

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has possession on my body. I don't want to do

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these things, and yet I keep on doing them. It's

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a vicious circle. So, you know, that is one thing

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in particular that has to be considered when you have

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these mental disorders, when you have any disorder whatsoever that

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can either change your mind or you know, create various

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thoughts or thought patterns and even various movements. You know,

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is that a demotic entity or is that just a

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disorder that needs to be you know, worked out through medication,

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which might do for OCD is the best option, or

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through basically just for what's it called. It's I forget

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the name of it, but it's basically like when you

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have a thought, you just deal with that thought. You

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don't give in any of the compaussions that come with it,

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something exposure in which you just basically sit through it.

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You feel all the anxiety, you feel all the stress

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because of that thought, but you don't try to relieve

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it whatsoever. And eventually that thought and that anxiety, that

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all that will dissipate over the course of the next

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couple hours.

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Usually Okay, yeah, well, that almost feels like a controlled

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exposure to whatever is making you. That's probably not yeah,

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it's probably not the exact term. But other other types

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of disorders like trans states and suggestibility, ritualized trans states

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where individuals entered al or states of consciousness as common

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in various cultures and religions throughout the world, and sometimes

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these can be reached through we'll just say, medicinal ways.

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Within these contexts, suggestibility and willingness to an act the

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role of a possessed individual can contribute to the experience,

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similar to being hypnotized.

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So the power of suggestion.

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Basically is what this is talking about, and that is

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a very dangerous thing, even with hypnosis. I mean, somebody,

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if you're susceptible to hypnosis anyways, could suggest to you

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that you're possessed by a demon, or that you're somebody

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else altogether.

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I mean, so I'm just gonna say if you're in that,

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I don't mean this in a negative way, but if

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you're someone who's kind of gullible, you don't need to

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be hypnotized to kind of oh yeah, their ideas. You know,

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people can just kind of start manifesting them and just

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saying things even just in passing, like, you know, they

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might not directly say oh, maybe you're possessed, and they're like,

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well what if you know? Uh? And that starts to

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eat at you. You start to think about that over

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and then you start to wonder like, wait a minute,

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what if I am? You know? And so suddenly you're

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manifesting your own possession. And there have been the varioust

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cases in which that has literally been the thing. People have,

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this idea they're they're led by certain individuals to bleed

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or possessed, and they start to act like it, and

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in the end they end up getting medical treatment because

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the extra systems don't work, and after the medical treatment

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they're able to kind of get away from they're able

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to heal and move forward with their lives. It's not

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always the case. Sometimes it actually is a demonic possession.

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But again, when you consider one percent of all demonic

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cases possession cases are actually demonic possession cases, well that's

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a very very very very low number of cases per year.

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Yeah, and pop culture would try to make you think

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that demonic oppression or possession is a more common thing,

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and I'm not saying that it can't be. However, there

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are so much other things out there outside of demons

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that can cause these things to happen.

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Well, and again, it depends ultraally where you live. You know,

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like here in America, demons an't possessing us because we're

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already long gone, most of us. You don't need to bother.

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We're already so far way down the drink. You know.

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It's amazing when you have things like television, radio, just

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media in general, you're constantly feeding yourself with these things.

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You're not doing anything. Like the main thing when it

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comes to there's reason demanded. Position is a rare thing.

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You know. Again, demons don't want you to know there exists,

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that they exist, and so typically they're in the background,

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cold and strings. There is a great book called The

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Screwtape Letters, fantastic read by C. S. Lewis, and it

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kind of delves deep. I mean, obviously it's just a story,

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it's a factional story, but I think it's inspired by

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God because it kind of really tells you, or shows

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you how demons work in the background of people's lives.

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They're not there to possess. They're there to guide and

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misdirect individuals from getting too close or reaching The Gates

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of Heaven. If you guys haven't read that book or

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you're interested at all and kind of learning that Screwtape

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Letters by C. S. Lewis is phenomenal. It's a pretty

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short read, and I guarantee that once you pick it

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up and start reading it, she will be done pretty quick.

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Not because it sucks, but because it's really good and

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you'll fly through it. But yeah, you know, so, it's

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That's one thing I think a lot of people give,

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what myself included at times, need to realize, like what

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we see in movies and TV is just that movies

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and TV. It's all fictional. Demons work in a very

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different way. And I don't mean just I say demons

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because that's how I know them. But whether you know

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Gin or Hindu gods or you name or whatever evil entities,

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they all work the same way. And that's a fact.

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You can literally look through history religious texts and see

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that the demons themselves tend to all work very similarly.

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In most cases.

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Right now, there are other situations like psychotic disorders such

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as schizophrenia and severe depression, which will kind of make

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you think or feel that you're possessed or oppressed, same

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thing outside people thinking that that is going on for you.

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And I know that vere depression can also be a

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symptom of demonic oppression or present That is a really

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hard one to differentiate unless it gets psychologically evaluated and

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they're like, ah, you're just sad about a lot of stuff.

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You're fine. Severe depression is an interesting one because not

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only can it be created by demonic activity, but severe

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depression can also invite demonic activity or negative activity. Is

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I think it is a better term here, because not

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all oppressions could be by you know, quote unquote demons.

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We will say negative energies or entities, and I know

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that's a very broad term, and the word entity is

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a very broad term, but you guys know what I mean.

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And so when we fall into this place where we're

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really depressed and this is just a normal thing that

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we're living with, you can easily invite these energies in

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because depression creates a negative aura around you and around us, right,

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And so when that happens, maybe we don't mean to,

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but a lot of people for a reason, when they're sad,

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when they're depressed, what do they do? They watch sad movies?

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They play sad music, do everything they can to feel that,

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which isn't a bad thing. Mind you, it's probably because

468
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for most people it might break you out of it. Right,

469
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.559
If you're like me, you do everything in your power

470
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.640
to avoid the feeling, which is also not a good thing. Right.

471
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.240
But the idea is, you know, you create this kind

472
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.839
of energy source that invites these other entities or energies

473
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:35.680
from outside, within your home, in your your space, and

474
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:39.440
suddenly you get all this these things drawing energy off

475
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.519
of you. Psychic vampires in a way, not the legit

476
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.839
second vampires that have talked about them, but in this case,

477
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:49.960
a spiritual vampire that is able to draw energy. Yeah.

478
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:56.880
Another form of psychological situations that can be causing this

479
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.759
is hallucinations, where you're having a toyan visual hallusinations, and

480
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:07.480
that can be a part of possession experiences, especially within

481
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:11.680
a religious context. For example, some individuals with schizophrenia may

482
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:16.160
experience religious delusions, including beliefs of being possessed by demons

483
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.480
or controlled by external entities, and ris kind of already

484
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:25.559
brought that part up where it will make you feel

485
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.519
like that. However, it's not always the case. The majority

486
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:31.920
of the case will.

487
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.240
Say, and that's I mean, and that's a tough one,

488
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.759
you know, because it's like when you have a disorder

489
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.400
like that, like are you really just manifesting it yourself

490
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.160
mentally or is there actually something there? And so there's

491
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:44.799
a lot more work that has to go into it

492
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.640
to actually be able to figure that out. And that's

493
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.119
where you get the psychiatric help from. That's where you

494
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.279
get prayer team and if you need to, you know,

495
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.680
bring some money and who's strong enough who can help

496
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:58.640
exercise this entity or whatever it is and help to

497
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.279
understand what's really going on. Well, and we.

498
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.680
Will say this before we get through the whole science

499
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:09.920
behind all of it, is that it can be both

500
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:17.079
as well. You can have a psychological disorder or issues

501
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:26.799
yeah better and demons or negative entities can be playing

502
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:31.400
on that and causing things to be much worse because

503
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:32.039
of the fact.

504
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.720
But I mean, there's.

505
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:42.000
Several other things that can be contributing to what people

506
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:49.079
think themselves, are being demonically possessed or people outside thinking

507
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:51.920
that person is possessed, or influence in some way.

508
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.759
There is a very im about to say fireline, but

509
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:00.799
there's actually a pretty thick line in those cases. Between

510
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.599
what is nirmonic and what is simply an accident or

511
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.800
normal life. I have seen and heard stories and know

512
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.280
of people who, you know, they'll be walking barefoot and

513
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.239
stuff their toe and they'll blame it on the devil

514
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.320
legit not just for you know, giggles, but legit will

515
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.079
blame it on the double Or they slip down a

516
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.199
set of stairs and they'll claim the devil push them,

517
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.760
you know, and obviously why they're not that's true, I

518
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.679
don't know. The chances are that life tends to be rough,

519
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.079
and we will constantly fall in victims to various things,

520
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.639
typically not so bad things, but we have to be

521
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.440
weary of what those things of what we attribute those

522
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.360
things too, you know, because if you're constantly saying, well

523
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.199
the devil, this is the devil that, well, not only

524
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.239
are you possibly inviting the entity you're knocking on the door,

525
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.719
right we at that point you're like, hey, oh yeah,

526
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.960
I'm here, come on, but you're also that you believe

527
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.480
yeah right, and you're also crying wolf. So then if

528
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.400
something does really happen spiritually any very negative fashion and

529
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.679
you go looking for help, people are gonna be like, well,

530
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.440
this is just you. This is how you handle it

531
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.039
like everything's a devil, right.

532
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:22.079
So the there's some neurological explanations epilepsy which can cause seizures,

533
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:26.000
would make it look like somebody's possessed because they are

534
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:35.000
flailing around without any reason, so well quote unquote that reason.

535
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:40.519
But there are some cases of epilepsy where they don't

536
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.079
go into a seizure at all. They're just staring off

537
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.760
into space like they're not even there one hundred percent,

538
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:52.360
not even there involuntary movement, like I said, and unusual

539
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.639
sensory experiences that cause the seizures, such as flashing lights

540
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.760
and stuff like that. Brain normalities can cause issues with

541
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.159
the brain to make it look or even make that

542
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.079
person feel like they are possessed. And in reality, it's

543
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:16.719
something like a tumor pressing on the brain, something that's

544
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.400
cutting off blood flow to a certain area.

545
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:19.840
Of the brain.

546
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:26.519
Neurochemical and brain activity changes. This is something that kind

547
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.480
of resonates with me because when I was a teenager,

548
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.559
I was diagnosed with depression and a very slight thing

549
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.960
of OCD and they're like, oh, it's just a chemical imbalance.

550
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.239
Take these drugs, you'll be fine. And I mean, eric

551
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.599
can speak as well, even more so than me.

552
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:45.760
But it.

553
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.039
A lot of those times, the neurochemical and brain activity

554
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:56.599
changes taking the medication can almost make you feel like

555
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:01.719
you're possessed, or make somebody think that you're possessed because

556
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.360
you're not acting in the way that you did before.

557
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.360
Well, beyond that, another example, also from personal experience, So

558
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.360
several months ago, I had started a new medication for myself. Now,

559
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:18.719
mind you, there's no actual medication to that basically works

560
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.480
against OCD. Nothing actually helps with that. So instead they

561
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:27.920
put you on antidepressants primarily or anti anxieties medications. So

562
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.760
they put me on an anti well technically an anti anxiety.

563
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.559
It was a pretty low dose something I've had before,

564
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:37.239
had no effect, so they bumped it by double and

565
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.400
when that happened over the next two months, it took

566
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.239
like two weeks wort to kick and you know, but

567
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.159
then over the next two months, I was not myself.

568
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.760
And in fact, there have been so many there were

569
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.960
so many times where I would lose time, like I

570
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.800
would be sitting, you know, on my couch or driving

571
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.440
and I would just lose track of where I am

572
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.159
or what's happening, and then I'll snap to it and

573
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.400
realize like, oh, wait here I am you know, and

574
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:03.239
well what happened? And that could be very scary at

575
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.960
times for people who maybe don't understand the effects of

576
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.360
medications as such, when you start to loot, have time

577
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.119
slips and you start to not remember things that you

578
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.280
just did two minutes ago. Uh, if you're having conversations

579
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.960
like I would have conversations and in the middle of speaking,

580
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.239
I would forget my entire thought process would just wipe

581
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.360
out and I would go silent, and it was weird, right,

582
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.679
People were like, well, wit you okay, that's sorry, I

583
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.199
don't remember what I was saying. Uh. And that would happen.

584
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.519
That happened for two months and that can that's a yeah,

585
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.800
very scary and many people can attribute that, uh to

586
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.119
believing there's something taking over, something that's wiping your mind clean,

587
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.039
something that's hiding or pulling you back, and you know,

588
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.119
hiding you from time and you get these missed things.

589
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.559
That's common in demonic possession. By the way, is this

590
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.920
idea of missing time. Same thing with you know, alien inductions,

591
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.000
which going back to one holy communion in the discus

592
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.039
as we've had, maybe they're one and the same. I

593
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.360
don't know, but you know, it's definitely possible with these

594
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:14.280
medications to misinterpret what's truly happening within the brain and

595
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.679
instead account it for something spiritual when in reality it's

596
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.880
not right.

597
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:29.039
So last thing that can kind of from a scientific

598
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:36.199
perspective or at least psychological perspective, that can cause the

599
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.039
people to believe that they're possessed or someone is possessed

600
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.079
is an autoimmune attack on brain receptors such as the

601
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:49.599
NMDA receptors that can lead to symptoms similar to those

602
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:59.039
associated with purpored demonic possession, including psychosis like behaviors.

603
00:39:59.039 --> 00:39:59.679
Something that.

604
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:11.920
Can make it fall into different things is like cultural context.

605
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.880
The interpretation and understanding of possession experiences are heavily influenced

606
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.360
by cultural and religious beliefs, and what is considered a

607
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.199
spiritual experience in one culture might be viewed as a

608
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.719
medical condition in another. Like Eric said earlier, between the

609
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:33.360
US and then basically everywhere else US might consider as

610
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.440
something different. I mean, I will say we are very

611
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.559
closely related to Canada. They might have similar beliefs than

612
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.480
other parts of the world, but and then you know,

613
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:52.760
differential diagnosies. Although one doctor will say you're fine, get

614
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.320
a second opinion. There will be somebody that will see

615
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.840
something that the other person didn't, and then even get

616
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:01.280
a third opinion.

617
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:02.119
Because.

618
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.800
What do they say, If it's at least three, it's

619
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:16.440
a it's not a coincidence anymore. That Yeah, So definitely

620
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:21.679
make sure you're getting checked out by a doctor. And

621
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.000
like Eric said, there's no reason why you can't be

622
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.880
checked out by a doctor and consult a clergy, a

623
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.199
religious leader, whatever.

624
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.639
But don't just jump to possession. With that said, I

625
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.960
do want to add, if you happen, regardless of what

626
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.159
you decide, you know, if you happen to be dealing

627
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.159
with the mind possession, you think and you're listening to

628
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:51.599
the show, always have control of yourself, you know, take control,

629
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.239
know who you are and what your beliefs are. The

630
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.519
reason I say that is because there are medical practitioners

631
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:04.719
and there are spiritual faith dealers, practitioners, believers, et cetera,

632
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.960
who both will tell you one thing and hold you

633
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.400
to it, and they'll say this is the mind possession.

634
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:12.639
This is the this is this is what it is

635
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.480
is the mind possession. No doctors and the doctor say no, no,

636
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.920
you're very much. Just you know, mentally you need help.

637
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.320
Psychiatrically you need help. It has nothing to do with demons.

638
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.400
Demons don't exist, et cetera, et cetera. So now you

639
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.760
have these two people trying to keep you in one bubble,

640
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.800
and that could be very dangerous as well. So with

641
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.159
that said, when you were when somebody is jumping from

642
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.119
one to the other and they're kind of getting all

643
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.440
the basis, keep control of yourself, have control of the

644
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.199
situation so that nobody drags you from one side to another.

645
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.719
Get a well rounded opinion, and be open minded because

646
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.159
again I stand in the middle. It very well could

647
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:59.119
be demonic entities, it very well could be oh, technological,

648
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.559
So just yeah, there are people who would just simply

649
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.079
you know, they'll go one place and they'll get sucked

650
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.079
right into the whirlwind. Right.

651
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.119
Well, we had a guest on not too long ago

652
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:15.000
that even said, yeah, find a psychiatrist who's well rounded,

653
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.280
who will even consider the unworldly things that might be

654
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:20.440
causing this.

655
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:25.639
You'd be amazed at how many psychologists and psychiatrists are

656
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.599
actually pretty open minded. You know, all my psychiatrists that

657
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:33.599
I've worked with, I promis I'm not too crazy you

658
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:38.679
always sound crazy to me. No, I know they've never

659
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.239
been religious, but they've always held an open mind to

660
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:45.199
my personal beliefs, you know. And so even when talking that,

661
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.159
you know, they'll always want to say, well, what if

662
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:51.199
it's this instead of you know, something's very tool and

663
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.119
I'll be like, yeah, I mean as possible, right. But

664
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.800
then on the flip side, I might say, oh, well

665
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.800
it's you know, something psychological, and they'll be like, eventually

666
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.480
after they got to know me, well what if it's

667
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.559
this it's actually a spiritual thing. You know, they may

668
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.079
not believe it, but they're all but typically open to

669
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.039
helping you the individual, And that's the most important. Someone

670
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.440
who has to be willing to understand your belief system

671
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.800
and what you're going through, not trying to just simply

672
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:18.880
change a belief system, right, unless the belief system is

673
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:23.159
very unhealthy, that will Yes, that's sad that there are

674
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:24.960
a lot of very unhealthy belief systems out there.

675
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.000
So, and you can put this just in your own opinion,

676
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:38.840
what role does possession narratives play on mental illness, trauma,

677
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.000
and stress, Whether it's causing us to believe that we

678
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.679
are or that it actually is happening.

679
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:54.079
I mean, that's a tough one, you know. I actually

680
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.719
so I looked over this note earlier and I got

681
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.400
stuck in this part in particular, it's like, how do

682
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:03.320
I answered that question? Like that's you know. So when

683
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.320
you're exploring the role though of mental illness, trauma, and stress,

684
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.840
one thing that is very, very important, and I've said

685
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.199
this multiple times over the course of our show, is

686
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:18.239
you should consider one therapy is a good one. I cannot.

687
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:20.280
I will not sit here and say this is something

688
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.159
you should do because I have not done therapy. I

689
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:26.440
refuse to. It's just me, but I don't and I

690
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.880
feel it doesn't work. So and I know people who

691
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.639
do it on a regular and they are a new person.

692
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.480
So it just depends on the individual. Give it a try.

693
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.000
On the flip side, if you're someone like me, then

694
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.079
shadow work shadow work is great. There's plenty of prompts

695
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.679
that you can look up online and it allows you

696
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.679
to really dig deep into your history, your past, the

697
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:49.079
way you grew up, the way you view things. So

698
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:54.039
getting to better understand your your differences, your mental illnesses,

699
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.400
your you know, whatever you're going through, your traumas. You know,

700
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.360
things that trigger you. Once you get to learn why

701
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.440
you're triggered the way that you are, you can better

702
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.480
understand how to adapt and fight against those triggers, fight

703
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.119
against the stress, fight against the trauma. And you know,

704
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.679
I think that's the best way to kind of shape

705
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.360
your view and understanding of possession, because in many cases,

706
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.559
the majority of the things that we witness or we

707
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.559
go through on the daily basis isn't due to possession. Yes,

708
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:25.239
there may be some oppression happening in the background, streams

709
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.800
being pulled, but we still have the full opportunity. Do

710
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.000
you have control of our own lives? And I think

711
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.960
it really does start with getting to know yourself, and

712
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.400
then if something happens once you know yourself that seems off,

713
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.039
maybe there's a cue there, Here's something you need to

714
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.280
look a little deeper into or get some help discerning.

715
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:50.440
Yeah, well, I actually one person agree with that. I

716
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:55.280
can't really add anything in my opinion because it's one

717
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.119
of those things that I think it's kind of cut

718
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.480
and dry in the sense that you need to be

719
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:05.639
knocking down both doors before you decide one way or

720
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:06.679
the other what you think.

721
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:07.599
Is is happening.

722
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.760
What are some of the limitations that the scientific explanations

723
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.159
for possession experiences whack.

724
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:26.480
I mean, the limitations are simply when they've all been

725
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.119
exercise and explained, and yet there's still the actual attacks

726
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.719
happened in the position itself. Right. You know, there are

727
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.239
individuals who will say that science is God and it's

728
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.400
the only way, and in fact, many many scientists believe

729
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.320
that they believe, you know best, science is a God

730
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.480
in a way. They you know, they themselves basically. And likewise,

731
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.599
there are plenty of spiritual people who do the same thing.

732
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.559
They just don't believe in science. And actually what they

733
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.280
don't realize or recognize is that both science and religion

734
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:07.880
grew up together. Science was originally created by the religious

735
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.119
and they worked hand in hand, and then eventually they

736
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.400
kind of split off and with their separate directions, creating

737
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:19.599
this divide. So there are things that science simply cannot explain.

738
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.280
And for me pessionally, who had gone through demonic compression

739
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.760
for three months back in two thousand and seven, two

740
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.159
thousand and eight, I could tell you that there is

741
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:32.320
no explanation as to why my bed would sink while

742
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.559
I was just laying there in bed like not asleep.

743
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:36.880
I could feel someone sit down on it. I could

744
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.159
feel someone brush my hair. I heard a growl right there,

745
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.840
you know, a huff and a growl right out the

746
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.199
side of my bed, like there was some sort of

747
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.639
doglike thing. I saw giant shadows. I was not on drugs,

748
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.920
I was not drinking. You know, I was a very

749
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.519
very level headed individual. It made no sense that I

750
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.880
would witness the things that I witnessed. And it wasn't

751
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.840
until after I turned to God and was born again

752
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.960
all that stuff ceased, which tells me that something very

753
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:11.119
spiritual happened. Now people can come in and say, well,

754
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.400
you know, maybe it was all psychological. Maybe you were

755
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.280
just witnessing, you know, the things that you were seeing,

756
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:19.400
or maybe you were just feeling like the bed was thinking.

757
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.079
Maybe you were just feeling like your hair was brushed,

758
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.800
but we were just hearing that there was something growling

759
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.079
on the side of your bed. But again, you can't

760
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:31.480
really prove that without taking the time to study it

761
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.599
and replicate the results. And that is something that science

762
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:40.079
can't always do when it comes to possession because demons

763
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.519
are smart, and then they will hide because they don't

764
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:43.119
want to be noted.

765
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.599
I will say this that science would say that the

766
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:56.239
fact that you started believing that God was protecting you

767
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.800
and taking shouldn't say, take the wheel, protecting for you,

768
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.559
looking out for you, and helping these things to cease,

769
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:09.599
your belief changed your psychological situation where you change that.

770
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.280
I'm not saying that is the case, but science, that's

771
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:13.280
what science would say.

772
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.800
And yeah, I feel.

773
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.079
That there is a lot that can't be explained, like

774
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.519
you said, And on top of that, there are plenty

775
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:34.039
of things such as quantum physics that the we'll just say,

776
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:39.760
normal quote unquote scientists will say is just nonsense, that

777
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:45.960
quantum physics is a neoscience basically, and honestly, quantum science

778
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.840
is becoming more and more prevalent today. So I'll have

779
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.320
you go over the impact of demonic possession.

780
00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:00.119
Sure, So, basically, the belief in demonic possession, while of

781
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.519
course varying across cultures and religious contexts, can actually have

782
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:11.719
significant social and even psychological impacts on both individuals and

783
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.800
of course the communities around them. Obviously, anything we believe

784
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.039
is going to affect those who know us right, friends, family, etc.

785
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.800
So there are some things to consider when it comes

786
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.800
to psychological impacts of course. The first is that symptoms

787
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:33.360
may be mimicking mental illness, so behaviors attributed to my possession,

788
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:37.639
for example, in this case especially often overlap with various

789
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.360
symptoms of other mental health disorders like psychosis or disassociative

790
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:48.199
disorder and personality disorders. Another one is a big diagnosis,

791
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:53.440
sorry a misdiagnosis and delayed treatment. Individuals who basically believe

792
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.599
they are possessed, or whose communities hold such beliefs, may

793
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:03.039
delay or for go possessed profess mental health treatment, potentially

794
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.559
worsening their conditions. And this is something that I stated earlier,

795
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.239
We stated in the past like you have to get

796
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.559
some medical ext least in examination, get a view from

797
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.119
both sides, because things can get worse if it is indeed,

798
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.480
you know, scientifically explained more mental disorder in this case right.

799
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.480
Another one is various trauma and distresses. Various experiences in

800
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:33.440
particular attributed to possession, including the behaviors associated with it, exercism, attempts,

801
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:40.280
social consequences can basically be profoundly traumatic and distressing for individuals,

802
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.519
especially if they're the ones going through it. We know

803
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.239
individuals who've experienced it and it's been traumatic for them

804
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.440
who've experienced it secondhand or third hand, but people who

805
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:53.119
actually go through it it's much more difficult. And then

806
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.960
there's of course the stigma and isolation, because the believe

807
00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:00.199
in possession, especially when linked to sin or moral failing,

808
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:06.400
can lead to stigmatization, isolation, and shame according to NIH,

809
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.679
which is the National Institute's of Health. And of course,

810
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:13.599
if you're a religious person in particular, even if you're not,

811
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.079
my bet is you probably have shared some sort of

812
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.719
guilt or have had some sort of guilt over the years,

813
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.000
and that stuff could weigh on you quite a bit.

814
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.360
But when it comes to religious individuals, especially if you

815
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.760
commit a sin that you are trying your best not

816
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.039
to commit, you can end up in a pretty tough

817
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:39.920
place at times, especially when you don't understand the true

818
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:47.280
grace of God and his autmate forgiveness. Finally, of course,

819
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:54.159
there is heightened suggestibility and vulnerability which an individuals experiencing

820
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.920
psychological distress or in a state of crisis may be

821
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.960
more susceptible to suggestion and the blief surrounding possession can

822
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.760
shape their experiences and behaviors. And again, I've witnessed this

823
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.760
sem my first hand, kind of secondhand, but an individual

824
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.039
that I knew for a very long time. She struggled

825
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:18.760
very deeply with depression and everything that haunted her. Everything

826
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:22.440
that bothered her would eat her from the inside out basically,

827
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:28.000
and she would become kind of not herself. She kind

828
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.239
of disassociate to start self harming herself, causing mutilation to

829
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.239
her arms and her legs and things like that, you know.

830
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.239
And this was a very much medically diagnosed and it

831
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:42.000
was handled handled. Sounds really harsh, like, yeah, we just

832
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.159
took her to the pen and you know, put her

833
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.599
at our misery, but no, she was you know, medically

834
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:55.920
diagnosed with depression, anxiety, and eventually alcoholism, and they're able

835
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.360
to help her out and she was able to you know,

836
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:16.000
help and secured from such things. Mm hmm. So sorry

837
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.440
for a long pause looking at our time and then

838
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:21.480
looking at all the stuff we have to say lots.

839
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.840
Well, I was gonna say, we can kind of we've

840
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:26.880
kind of discussed a lot of this stuff already, so

841
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:32.000
we can absolutely go to you know what, the future

842
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.800
of demonic possession for sure kind of looks like.

843
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.599
They're all riding hubb boards and driving tis the better,

844
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.800
the future emons are just running all over the place.

845
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:51.039
You know, it's been an ongoing debate for years about

846
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:57.159
demonic possession, is it real? Even type of situation and

847
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:58.719
the nature of demonic possession.

848
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.199
Do you think that.

849
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:09.159
If putting a huge if there science or religious and

850
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:14.360
religion came together, we would be able to explain it better.

851
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.360
I mean I I can't say that that's the case,

852
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.480
because in a way, science and religion already has in

853
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.800
that case, because we have a lot of paranormal investigators

854
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.400
who will go in with exorcists, that will do a

855
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.559
preliminary investigation and also maybe deep recordings and camera work

856
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:38.039
while the exorcisms taken place, and there are you know,

857
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.280
things that align when it comes to the spiritual aspect

858
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:48.519
of possession. Now, when we're talking about mainstream science, worldview

859
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.559
science versus you know, spiritualism, I think it has to

860
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.519
it has to be married again in order for everything

861
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.960
to align in terms of understanding both the physical and

862
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.360
the spiritual realms. Now, of course, that means having to

863
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:03.639
think outside the box, which from what we were told

864
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:07.679
recently not much but a couple of episodes ago, that

865
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.480
most scientists actually tend to be very open minded when

866
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:13.800
it comes to the spiritual realm, and in fact, they

867
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:17.239
will study things and come to believe in the spiritual realm.

868
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.000
Maybe they don't believe in God, maybe they don't necessarily

869
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.679
believe very you know whatever, various religions, but they start

870
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:25.400
to believe in a spiritual realm because there are things

871
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:29.239
that just keep pointing to something that doesn't quite add up,

872
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:31.760
you know. And this is basically something that has to

873
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:35.880
do with creation, the fact that he there's more to humanity,

874
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.280
more to life than just the physical elements of it.

875
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:40.880
So I think that is very important. And I do

876
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.159
think that if they were to come back together at

877
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.039
some point, and in some cases may way they do,

878
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:51.440
you would not only be able to better understand the

879
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.159
existence and the nature to minor possession, but I think

880
00:57:54.199 --> 00:58:00.360
it would become very problematic for the entities themselves tend

881
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.360
to possess or oppress, because now not only are theynowledged,

882
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.079
but now they're being studied, which means they can't hide

883
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:07.800
as much.

884
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:12.639
Right, Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. Something

885
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.039
that is I'm going to skip over the next dot

886
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.360
because it's kind of all ties together here.

887
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.719
Something that I've actually.

888
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:30.239
Struggled with as far as trying to figure out if

889
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:36.159
certain entities are are coming around because of we are

890
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:40.639
in a technological society. Now, information can be looked up,

891
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:46.880
whether it's true or false, and people buy into it.

892
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:53.800
Has that helped in creating more fear in both demonic

893
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.559
possession and causing people that have mental disability or mental

894
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:04.239
disorder to believe that they're possessed. Do you think that

895
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.000
has had a huge effect on it?

896
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.440
Or we can easily go back to so many times

897
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.760
we've talked about the slender Man, right master right area

898
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:19.199
technology has ability to share stories in a very widespread

899
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.960
out atmosphere. Right, So this is not just a couple

900
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.639
of people learning about it. It is millions of people

901
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.960
learning about these various things, whether it be an entity,

902
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.280
whether it be how to like what a possession is,

903
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.079
or how to image possess or how to exercise whatever.

904
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:38.519
There is generally a fear factor because people this should

905
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:42.119
consider any medical condition. Right. Let's say I don't know

906
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.000
you your lower back is hurting in a specific spot

907
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:48.079
and you look it up online lower back hurting, and

908
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:51.320
there's a list of things like, oh, it could be

909
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:55.239
you know I have cancer? It could be Disney. Yeah,

910
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.159
Disney could be Disney. It's probably Disney.

911
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.639
That's why your lor Yes, it could be cows know

912
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.519
how many times I've been watching Disney. I'm like, oh,

913
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:05.159
my back.

914
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.679
But you know, in those cases, like you're looking up online,

915
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:14.239
of course it's every thing from oh, here's the most

916
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:16.920
likely cause, but then here's the worst, and then the

917
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.239
bottom says you're dead. And by the time you finished

918
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:23.079
reading this, sorry, goodbye, let's say your goodbyes, right, so, oh,

919
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.760
you're actually dead, that's why you're backshirt. Yeah, yeah, you know.

920
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.440
So it's like, yeah, you've just been thinking the coffin

921
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.760
ron this whole time, you know. With that said, like

922
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:37.039
technology because it's so advanced, because stories can get out information,

923
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.880
and more so that much of this information doesn't coll

924
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.800
like align with much of the other information out there. Right,

925
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:48.519
you can look up a number of different websites and

926
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:52.599
get vastly different results, and so you have kind of

927
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.880
forced to kind of like create your own opinion ultimately,

928
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.480
and that is very problematic because then you don't really

929
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.079
know what the truth is, especially when you're called demonic possession.

930
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.559
And of course if you're reading about demonic possession, you

931
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:05.599
start saying, oh, this is just like what I see.

932
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.360
Oh this is just like what I feel. This is

933
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.880
just what I hear boom. Certainly, you think you're possessed

934
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:11.960
and you're in a really crazy kind of steak because

935
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.519
you think you're being watched it all hours of the

936
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.400
night and think you can be dragged out of your

937
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.559
bed because there are movies that like to do that,

938
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.320
which typically isn't the case. But you know it can happen,

939
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.119
I suppose, but yeah, you know it's it's a dangerous

940
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:26.599
it's dangerous territory. I think.

941
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:31.639
Yeah, well, yeah, like you said, we've talked about it

942
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:38.039
both slender Man and any of these different entities really,

943
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.519
but slender Man is probably the primary because it was

944
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.800
just literally a picture put up on.

945
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:49.079
What was it called.

946
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:52.760
Creepy pasta, beepy pasta. I knew it was pasta. I'm like,

947
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:53.679
it's not spaghetti.

948
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:59.519
What is it? Carbingera fimi pasta? Where is an air that?

949
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:03.880
But that's why I bring it up, because yeah, it's

950
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.239
one of those things that even if it wasn't an

951
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.920
entity when that was created, it is now because so

952
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:13.079
many people have been so worried about it, right and

953
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.280
the story that it came with that thing.

954
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.360
And I know you skipped over this, but when't actually

955
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:19.440
backtrack because I kind of do want to mention it

956
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:23.039
a little bit here, but discussing how modern society continues

957
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:26.800
to grapple with the complexities of possession experiences, I do

958
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.599
want to say that it's the problem we have modern

959
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:35.679
times regarding demonic possession is the amount of divide between

960
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.159
people and their beliefs. We have people in the far

961
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:41.840
extreme that think everything there's demons. We have people in

962
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:44.400
the far extreme that think there's no such thing as

963
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:48.119
spiritual anything. We're just humans. We're here, we live, we die, right,

964
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:54.519
And there's really the modern ground isn't all that common Online. Thankfully,

965
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.480
we have like Facebook and we have this podcast and

966
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.880
many other podcasts on this network with us who have

967
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:05.039
brought together people literally literally from around the globe who

968
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.679
are able to talk about this stuff and share their experiences,

969
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.079
and so there is some connectivity there. But the simple

970
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.639
fact is that people tend to be more afraid to

971
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:18.960
share the belief regarding to monic possession because they're likely

972
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:21.920
going to be ridiculed by somebody, And that's a heart

973
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.519
pill to swallow. At times because people, you know, they're

974
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.960
very stubborn, they're they're very opinionated. They want to say,

975
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:33.400
you're wrong. Spirits don't exist, devils don't exist, You're basically

976
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.920
an idiot. And likewise vice versa. There are plenty of

977
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:39.360
people out there who are very much spiritual and they'll say, oh,

978
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:41.960
you don't think this exists, Well, you're an idiot. And

979
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:43.719
so it's just a back and forth. And I think

980
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.239
that's the biggest issue with the modern society right now.

981
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.079
We just can't fully grasp and therefore come to the

982
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.480
full realization of what's really hiding in the shadows. And

983
01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:59.960
I think that's important because these belief systems have been

984
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:03.679
around nearly as long as humanity has been and that

985
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:05.280
has to me that says something.

986
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.199
Yeah, I mean, I can't argue with anything that you

987
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:22.320
just said. So any final thoughts about demonic possession or

988
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.880
even just feeling like you are.

989
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:32.880
I mean, just you know, first and foremost, treat everything

990
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:36.280
cred assault, you know, don't freak out, don't ease your

991
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:40.239
mind over stuff, do your research, ask friends, ask family,

992
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.599
ask whoever that you need to, whether it be seeking

993
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.400
psychological help or seek your help from a church or whatever.

994
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.679
You know, whatever your blue system is, take the time

995
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:58.159
to get to understand it. Possession again, is only typically

996
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.800
one percent of any and all demandic cases that come up.

997
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:07.880
And even when possession happens, it's typically pretty low key.

998
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.280
There's like small moments that it happens, right, and then

999
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.920
you're free of it for a bit. In most cases,

1000
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.039
of course, it gets worse, and it can get worse,

1001
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:21.239
and this is much more rare nowadays. But that said,

1002
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.239
the biggest thing too to keep in mind is keeping

1003
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.639
your cool, stay level headed, keep control of the situation

1004
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.360
in your life. Don't let others push you or swadey

1005
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:36.880
one or the other, and uh, you know, keep it

1006
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:37.480
all on prayer.

1007
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.719
And I will add don't yeah, don't be looking up information.

1008
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:50.760
Talk to a seasoned professional both scientific and religious before

1009
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:54.880
you're jumping to any conclusion as well or deciding what

1010
01:05:54.960 --> 01:06:00.079
you need to do, because as Eric runching, there's so

1011
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:02.599
much out there that you're just going to jump to

1012
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:06.639
one specific inclusion and your mind's already made up.

1013
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.000
With that said, jumping off what Justin said, We're going

1014
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:11.480
to do this all night now, just back and forth.

1015
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.440
What Justin said, I see it over and over again

1016
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:20.519
in various Facebook groups that I'm on, primarily paranormal groups.

1017
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:25.519
Well though, someone will type in something that's happening and

1018
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:30.880
act our opinions and what do they get? Dozens, hundreds,

1019
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.480
thousands in some cases of opinions. Not only is that

1020
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.239
a lot to go through, but they are all very

1021
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:38.519
much varying, you.

1022
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:44.800
Know, opinions diversified as well as trolls.

1023
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:49.760
Well there's trolls. So it is very important to have

1024
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.239
an inner circle of people that you can trust with

1025
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:55.920
your blue system and what you're going through. And if

1026
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.920
that is something that is not easy, you can't always

1027
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.639
reach out to us because we are very open minded

1028
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:06.039
and very much on the spiritual norm with a very

1029
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.159
skeptical mind at the same time. So you know, we're

1030
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:11.559
good people, i'd like to think. So if you need

1031
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:14.880
any opinions of thoughts about anything you're experiencing, maybe we

1032
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:16.000
can put you in the right direction.

1033
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:22.239
Yeah, all right, With that being said, we've got a

1034
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:23.880
lot of great things coming up for you guys. We

1035
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:27.719
got Brian and Jen Byers from Savannah, Georgia coming on

1036
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:33.039
with us. I mentioned them last week and it's gonna

1037
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:37.199
be a great conversation because it's going to be coming

1038
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:41.800
from both a religious and both of them are psychics

1039
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:47.119
as well. They come from both perspectives, so it'll be

1040
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.000
an interesting conversation. We've had Brian on in the past,

1041
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:54.719
so it'll be just kind of a refresher for listeners

1042
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:56.840
that have been listening to us from the very beginning.

1043
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:00.800
But make sure you like, share, subscribe no matter where

1044
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:05.440
you're listening to UH. We're always looking for new people

1045
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:08.440
to hear what we have to say UH and hear

1046
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.800
the information work we're giving as well. And as always

1047
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.239
we try and make sure that you come to your

1048
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.960
own conclusion. If you don't believe everything that we're talking about,

1049
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:21.720
do some research, talk to people like we've just said,

1050
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:24.600
and you know, reach out to us. We would love

1051
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:28.439
to hear your opinion as well. Again, this has been

1052
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.640
a pre recorded show on one O seven point seven FM,

1053
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.319
New Orleans and United Public Radio Network. Make sure you're

1054
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.000
checking out all the shows that are on this network

1055
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.760
because there's so many great ones out there until next

1056
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:45.800
week where you will find us, same time, same channel.

1057
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.800
My name is Justin and I'm Eric Peace.