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The Next Breath: Life After Loss & Journeys Into The Hereafter w/Darnella Ford

Does consciousness survive death? Darnella Ford, award-winning author, speaker, and consciousness explorer, joins Justin and Erik on ParaTruth: Reborn to explore one of humanity's greatest mysteries: what happens after we die? For more than two...

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Does consciousness survive death?

Darnella Ford, award-winning author, speaker, and consciousness explorer, joins Justin and Erik on ParaTruth: Reborn to explore one of humanity's greatest mysteries: what happens after we die?

For more than two decades, Darnella has consciously explored out-of-body experiences (OBEs). Following the traumatic loss of a close friend in 2021, those experiences took on an even deeper meaning and eventually inspired her bestselling book, The Next Breath: Life After Loss and Journeys into the Hereafter.

In this conversation, we explore:
• What an out-of-body experience actually feels like
• OBEs versus lucid dreams and near-death experiences
• Whether consciousness can exist independently from the brain
• Encounters beyond the physical body
• Skepticism and spiritual discernment
• Grief after devastating loss
• What may happen immediately after death
• Life reviews, reincarnation and soul evolution
• Quantum Theory and consciousness
• Whether our loved ones truly remain with us
• How contemplating death can change the way we live

Darnella doesn't ask listeners to simply accept her conclusions. Instead, she encourages curiosity, discernment, and contemplation as we explore questions that may not have easy answers.

Join Justin and Erik as belief meets evidence, and we search for the truth beyond human understanding.

Some truths are hidden in the dark. We're here to bring them to light.

Guest Bio:
Darnella Ford is an award-winning author, speaker, and consciousness explorer who has spent more than two decades consciously traveling beyond the body through out-of-body experiences (OBEs). Drawing from these profound experiences, she explores life after death, the nature of consciousness, soul evolution, and the deeper purpose of our human journey. Through her bestselling book, "The Next Breath: Life After Loss and Journeys into the Hereafter," podcast interviews, retreats, and private sessions, Darnella invites others to approach life's greatest mysteries with curiosity, discernment, and hope—offering not beliefs to adopt, but insights for reflection and contemplation. You can contact Darnella directly through her website at www.journeytoworthy.org


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Coming up on Paratruth Reborn, I'll be talking to Darnella

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Ford about her book, The Next Breath.

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Welcome to Paratruth.

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How's it going, Paratroothers? Welcome to another episode of Paratrooth Reborn.

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My name is Justin, and tonight we are asking that

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age-old question once again, what happens after we die? Our

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guest tonight is Darnella Ford, an award-winning author, speaker, and

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consciousness explorer who has spent more than two decades consciously

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exploring out-of-body experiences. And she's going to be helping us

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answer that question tonight. Darnella, welcome to Paratruth Reborn.

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Thank you so much for the invitation. And you mentioned

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one of my favorite cities in the intro, New Orleans.

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So is that where you're located?

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No, I'm in Bismarck. That's just our network goes out

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to New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.

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Oh, I love it. Oh, yeah. I'm a diehard San.

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I got to spend some time there and I would

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absolutely go back, even though people are always saying, oh,

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you know, it's Not going so great. Crime is high there. Well,

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crime is high in a lot of places.

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Yeah. I love New Orleans. It has such a charm.

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There's a certain charm to it. It's a very ancient city.

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It has very ancient vibrations. You can feel the, literally

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to me, you can feel the beat of the heartbeat

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of the ancestors as you walk through the streets. It's

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quite a potent city.

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Oh, for sure.

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Yeah.

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So before we kind of get into the book, you've

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been doing this work for two decades. What got you

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started in this?

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Well, you know, it's funny. I don't have a great

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flowery answer because it's quite simple. A heartbreak. A guy

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that I was crazy about broke up with me. And

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I was literally just heartbroken. And it had been a

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repetitive pattern. heartbreak after heartbreak after heartbreak after heartbreak. And

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sometimes the essence and the depth of that pain drives

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us so deep into ourselves that we want to heal. And,

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you know, something about this particular breakup, this particular, this

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particular man that it's some type of very profound soul

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contract we had because it almost took me out when

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he left. So I ended up really wanting to heal.

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And I started studying. I started with, uh, I remember

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the very first book I bought Eckhart Tolle, the power

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of now. And I started exploring meditation. I just really

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started exploring. I mean, I'd done therapy. I had done religion.

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I'd read the Bible. I had done so many things

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and I wanted, I just wanted to shift in a

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change in my life in a And I ended up

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shortly after we broke up, I left this, I live

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in LA and I had to leave LA for a

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few years because it was, I felt like the city

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wasn't big enough for me and him. So I left

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and I ended up spending three years in Washington and

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I studied with a master teacher there in Washington state.

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And I studied quantum physics and neuroscience. And it just,

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you know, when I look back on it, it was

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one of the hardest times ever. It felt like one

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of the most difficult, challenging times of my life, but

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yet one of the most sacred and one of the

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most profound. So what I've come to understand is that

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sometimes when you're in a tremendous amount of pain, if

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you allow it, it can be one of the absolute

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most sacred times of your life because it's from this

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great place of pain that we're driven so deeply into

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ourself to save ourselves, to heal ourselves, to understand ourselves,

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and to code the mysteries of our lives. And that's

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how it all started. Yeah.

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Without pain, we can't grow. That's for sure. Now, do

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you remember the first time experiencing an out-of-body experience and

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how did that, like, how did you realize like, this

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isn't a dream?

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summertime and I was sitting on my couch and, uh,

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was traveling. I was commuting. And I was in L.A.,

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and I was doing my homework. And the homework was

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a form of holotropic breath work that we were taught

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by the master teacher. And I did this homework, and

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I was doing this holotropic breath work every single night.

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And what I believe happened in that was the breath.

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The breath is such a powerful intersection point, opening us

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up into.

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Potential of other realms, expand the states of consciousness, higher

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levels of awareness. And I fell asleep on my couch

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that night, got up and go to use the restroom.

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I've never had an experience like that. I had no awareness.

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I felt like I was very rooted in 3D material reality.

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I did not see dead people. I didn't have any

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kind of like, you know, divine supernatural experiences up until

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that moment. And from there, I went up into what

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would be considered the ethers or the heavens. And I

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was in the void, this beautiful rich blackness. And back

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in my body. And then I set up and I said,

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what was that? That was a defining moment and a

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changing moment for my life. Because from that moment, then

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I began to actively seek out understanding around what just

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happened to me. At the time, 2006, you know, people

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weren't talking about this on YouTube. The information that we

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have now was not so readily accessible 20 years ago.

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So I had to go back to old school, you know,

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go to the library, go to the bookstore. You know,

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old school way people used to learn things, right? I

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started studying the works of Robert Monroe and William Bowman.

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And I started studying Raymond Moody's work and researching books. P.M.

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Atwater's work and stories of Danny and Brinkley and Betty

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Eady and really diving into what lives beyond this veil.

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And that's how it all started to develop from there.

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Now, did your worldview change after all this started happening

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and you started experiencing this more and more?

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I started having in this I guess it was a

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very profound awakening. I think one of the big, big, big,

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biggest shifts initially was my work, how I perceived work,

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my identity through work. I just, I didn't feel, I

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never felt like I fit in the system. I never

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felt like I fit in the world that we're taught.

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You know, you grow up, you get a job, you

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get a nine five, you buy property. We have a

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very systematic conditioned way that we're raised. And in America, especially.

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And it never really felt right in my soul, but

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I just did it because what else are you going

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to do, right? What else are you going to do?

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You go to college, you get a job, you get

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a good job, you make money, you do that, you

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buy a new car. I mean, this is my thinking

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because this is what everybody does. This is what's emulated

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and what's modeled in society. And first thing I did

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was quit my job. I had a six figure a

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year job as a retail leasing agent in Brentwood, California.

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I was also a writer. I've always been a writer.

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I've written and I had a book deal and I've

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done book tours and I was writing fiction novels. And interestingly,

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I finished my contract on my fiction books and I

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quit my job and like they both happened around the same,

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somewhere around the same time, a little bit, a few

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years apart. I quit the job first. And then I

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had my last contract in 2010 with my publishing house,

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Kensington in New York. And I just, I just went

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to school for three years. I studied, came back to

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LA after school. And then I started teaching. I started

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receiving invitations to encourage, inspire, always wanted to be an

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inspirational speaker. That was my dream. And I started, I

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created my own program called journey to worthy. And so

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from there, it just, it just, I don't want to

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kind of fell into it or it kind of came

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together and developed into this incredible, I guess I called

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it a global movement of inspiration. It was really a

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place and a space for people to come together, like-minded

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people in community and attend workshops and travel with me

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on retreats and travel around the world and work with

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me in private session. So I kind of built, I

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built this little corner of the world to service the

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needs of humanity. And really it was, aligned with people

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who struggled to love themselves. I found that to be

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the undercurrent, very name itself, journey to worthy. It was

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the journey to worthiness, the journey to self-discovery, the journey

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to healing, the journey to understanding self beyond identity. So using,

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I think what I did differently was I used the

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principles of neuroscience and quantum physics. So I intersected science

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and spirituality, believing that they should always be in service

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to one another and that they support each other naturally.

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So that's how that happened. Okay.

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Now, when, when this first happened, did you, were you

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like skeptical? Like this, this has to be a dream.

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This isn't real stuff like that.

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No, no. I, you know, it's funny that you asked

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that and it's funny, but I think I never, for

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one thing, second thought this was a dream because it was,

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it was too, Oh my God. It was too, I

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wasn't having a dreaming experience. I was having a living

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experience inside of something that was much more real than reality.

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That's why I never, it never dawned on me to

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think that this might have been a dream because I stepped,

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I feel like if anything, this is the dream and

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I stepped outside of it into the really expansive system

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outside of this dimension. And that is to me where reality,

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that's what's real. That's what's real.

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Now, a lot of people obviously don't have a disability

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or experience or don't pursue it. Even for those that

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have never had an out-of-body experience, what does that actually

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feel like?

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That's a great question. Well, I mean, I think people

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have had dreams maybe where they were flying and they

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could feel that motion of weightlessness or feel the sensation

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of weightlessness. I would say it feels. So let me

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tap into that. What does it feel like? God, it is.

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It feels like the intersection point where awareness. Where awareness

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becomes the essence of everything.

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It is.

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A sensorial experience. I can sense it. I have greater

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senses in that realm. It is, I feel like me,

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but expanded. I feel like me, but sharper. I feel

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like me, but more clear. I feel like me, but

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just in a much, much, much more expanded state. So

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imagine looking behind your eyes. The looker behind your eyes

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looking out through your eyes, it feels the same way

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as you looking out through your eyes. If you were

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to tell me what does it feel like to look

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through your two eyes out into the world, right? It's awareness.

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It's awareness. It feels like awareness. That's what it feels like.

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Interesting. In your opinion, or... doing this for as long

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as you have do you think anybody can do this

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or are there those that are just kind of predisposed

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to be able to do it i don't know.

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That's such a great question i think that there are

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let me see how to answer that first and foremost

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it's our natural birthright to travel outside the realm of

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the physical so i mean it's not it's not i

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don't think it's a party trick or a carnival trick

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or anything like that it's what we do It's what

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we do naturally. It's like breathing. It's as natural as breathing.

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The ability to be adept at it and to consciously

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initiate or to be able to consciously track those experiences

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is something else altogether different. We travel all the time.

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When we sleep, we travel. We leave our bodies. We

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come and we go during sleep. I do believe for me,

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I cannot speak for everyone else, but for me, It

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is what I did with the experience that has led

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me to believe that this was part of my soul

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contract and my soul mission here, because I would become

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a spiritual teacher. And a lot of the things that

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I would teach would be directly correlated to what I

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experienced on the other side of the veil. So for me,

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I believe that I have that experience to become a bridge.

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Just like I bridge science and spirituality, I bridge the

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physical and the non-physical. I bridge energy and matter. I

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am a living bridge. So I believe that is why

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I have the experiences of out-of-body travels. I cannot say

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why anybody else has it or if anybody else, you know,

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whatever they, but I can only speak for my own

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specific journey. I do believe that we are here to

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be in body. I believe, and I say that because

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we're here. You know, that's the greatest evidence I have

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of that. We are here. And there's something for us

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here on the earth playing something of value. And it's

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interesting because we live in a world now where it's

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like everybody's trying to get out of body. Everybody's trying

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to get out of here. You know, everybody's trying to like,

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but I think there's something here for us. And I

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do believe that if someone's spirit, their highest self believes

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that they're most benefited by being grounded and rooted in

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the body, then that is where they will be. And

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they may not be able to induce a conscious OBE

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experience because maybe that is not part of their path.

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And I don't know that that lands well with everybody

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because some people may feel natural resistance to that or

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feel that they want to have that experience. But, you know,

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as we have learned in the human experience, you know,

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we may want certain things, but it may not be

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most aligned with our highest path on a soul level.

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So I would say ultimately, if you have the experience,

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you were meant to have it. Otherwise, you wouldn't have it.

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I also have a caveat to this. And I say,

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your spirit is our natural state. You have naturally OBEs

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when you sleep. However, being able to come back with

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conscious recall of it can be a challenge for people

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remembering or not wanting to remember or any number of

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things that could be happening. And I think it's really, really,

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really important that people be able to integrate because I

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think people get They take it, it's only step one. Oh,

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I'm just going to leave the body. Okay, so then

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where are you going to go? And then what are

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you going to do when you get there? And how

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are you going to integrate what you might experience in

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other realms? There's a vast level of experience. There are

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vast dimensions, infinite potentials. There is a lot to process

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once you're outside of space and time. And the question is,

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I always say, what's your why? Why do you want

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to have the experience? What are you after? What are

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you seeking? And how do you plan to integrate it?

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And I always say, are you a fully integrated person

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in the body? And that's where the river runs dry sometimes,

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because if we're really honest, a lot of times we

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find that we're not integrated enough. We haven't integrated our

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childhood trauma. We haven't integrated our last good breakup. We

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haven't integrated that divorce. We haven't integrated losing our job.

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We haven't integrated losing our money or finances, even our health,

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even potentially our youth as we get older. So we

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remain largely fragmented in our human experience. So you want

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to have an out of body and you want to

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travel into systems of reality where there's no linear organization.

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You want to experience things that maybe you're not even

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ready to experience. And then you want to come back.

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And what are you going to do with it? And

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I think it's very naive to believe that it's all

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just unicorns and rainbows. And people want to have them

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for many reasons. And I can respect all the reasons.

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People want confirmation that life goes on. They want confirmation

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for themselves. They want to have an experience where they

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don't have to necessarily listen to someone like me. They

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want to know for themselves through direct experience. And that's respect.

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And I get that. I respect that. They want to

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know their loved ones okay. They want to connect with

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their loved ones. I understand all of those reasons. But,

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you know, integration is one of my favorite words. I

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think that became by default my word of 2026. The

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ability to integrate all the pieces and bring it back

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into the whole. And I think we are struggling collectively

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as a society doing that because we're not an integrated system.

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We're not integrated people. We still argue and fight over

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everything from religion, politics to socioeconomic. We're not integrated. So

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I feel like A big part of our potential agenda

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would be integration in our personal lives, integration of our

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mental health, integration of our childhood, integration of any previously

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unhealed traumas, bringing ourselves into a state of wholeness, and

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then let us decide where we want to travel. Only because,

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only because to some people, it could make their journey

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here much more complicated.

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I'll take that one step further and even say that

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integrating ancestral trauma as well. Not that a lot of

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people understand or know what that be, but yeah, we're

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still arguing back and forth, no matter what color, creed,

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sexual orientation, we're all arguing about this stuff. And it's

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really like, we're all human guys. Like we, mistakes have

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been made in the past. That's absolutely a hundred percent true.

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But in order to move forward, we have to come

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together as a people, not as what color is better

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than the other, or, you know, better than the other. Um,

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so I, I fully understand what you're saying there. And it,

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that kind of drives a, a hard reasoning to me that, uh,

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why I haven't been able to move forward with my mediumship.

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And it's kind of the same thing as you're saying is,

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you know, everybody can do it, but everybody can also

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play piano or paint a picture. It just depends if

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you're a natural person at doing it or work hard

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at it.

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Right.

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And that was one of the things that I was

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told very early on in my mediumship. Well, yes, there

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are natural mediums. And for the majority of people, most

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people don't want to experience it. And that's if I

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could have gone back in time and. decide if I

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wanted to open that door or not, I probably would

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have made the same decision, but I would have probably

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looked at it harder to realize what comes with all

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of that.

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Exactly. Because, you know, there's a lot that comes with it.

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It's not as, you know, I think we always, oftentimes we're, we're,

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we're very good about the grass is greener everywhere, but here, right.

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The grass is greener over there. To the single people,

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sometimes they see the people with the partners and the

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grass is greener because they got a partner. And to

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the people with partners, they look at the single people

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and the grass is greener. And I mean, it's like

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it's human nature to look at what someone else is

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doing and what someone else is experiencing, what someone else

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is having versus what you're having and create this unfair comparison.

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Was it Theodore Roosevelt who said comparison is the thief

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of joy? And I just feel intuitively as we talk

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about it, I just feel like I'm getting the message

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right now that humanity needs to be here. Humanity needs

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to tend to the business of the earth. We have

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a lot to tend to here. And us just wanting

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to get the hell out of here may not be

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serving the agenda for the overall scope of humanity. Just saying,

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I want to, we're all searching. See, the thing is,

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the reason we want to get the hell out of

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here is because of the conditions that are here. So

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instead of us trying to maybe get out of here,

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We come together and try to make better conditions here

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for us here, for our children, for the grandchildren, for

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the generations to come. And I think that if we

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can do that, you know, it takes away the fantasy

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of the idealism of escapism. I think, and I'm going

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to be honest with you, when I started doing this

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out-of-body travels, I became obsessed with it. And let me

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tell you, for a period of time, I did use

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this as an escapism. Because if I didn't like something,

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if I was sad and depressed, which was, by the way,

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very often, it was pretty much a daily thing. Depression

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was a part of my life for many, many, many,

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many years. Inescapable, inescapable darkness and sadness that followed me

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for years. And I would just, you know what, if

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I didn't want to which I had gotten to the

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point where I couldn't tolerate, I would lay down and

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sleep my body. And I did that for a while.

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And I was met with my spirit guides or master

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teachers on the other side of the veil. I have

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teachers on the other side of the veil. And they

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said to me, we're grounding you. I mean, literally, we're

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grounding you. What does that mean? That means I was

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grounded almost like a child would ground a parent. My

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travel privileges were revoked, you know? And I couldn't get

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out of my body to save my life for a

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period of time. And I realized that that was the

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lesson that I could not use that as a crutch

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to substitute from dealing with the issues in my human life, right?

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I couldn't use this just to avoid my keens. Um,

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cause you know, we all want to daydream and dream

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about this heavenly other realm and the beauty and the

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grace and the glory so that I can escape the

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absolute misery at times of being here. But the real,

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the real art is to alchemize the misery here. That's impressive.

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It's not impressive to get out of the body. The

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impression damn thing is to stay in the body. You know,

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you want to impress me, stay in the body and live.

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Here on earth. Because that's a much greater feat. Than

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leaving the body.

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Right.

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And there's a reason that we incarnate here. It's to

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learn lessons. And not just escape constantly. Right. I 100%

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agree with you. And I feel that a lot of people.

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Probably do that when they get into the paranormal. Whether

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it's astral projection. Out of body experiences. Even becoming a medium.

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You delve deeper. head over heels first into what you're

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doing because you don't want to deal with anything else.

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Yeah, exactly. And I, you know, and I've had my,

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I have had, you know, I have to, I'm a

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fantasy girl. Like I, I love the fantasy. Like, oh,

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this is why the relationships never work. Cause you know,

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I'm good for a fantasy. Give me a fantasy. Okay.

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I don't want any reality. I like to believe that

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people on TV are really together in real life and

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they're not. These are just assers. But in my mind,

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I really think they should be together. And I think

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there's a prayer list that always buys into the fantasy,

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that we want the fantasy. Everybody on some level wants

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some aspect of the fantasy. And, you know, out-of-body travel

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is not the fantasy. It is incredible. It is purposeful.

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For me, it has been life-changing and useful forever. But

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I must say, if I don't put that tagline behind it,

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that it has been in service to the mission of

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my soul on this planet, then I'm doing great disservice

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to what actually I'm experiencing. Because this has been incredible

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to serve as a platform, a foundation, so that when

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I stand before you or when I stand before an

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audience or when I stand before a group of people,

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that I can speak with confidence. Not from having read something,

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but having actually lived it. And for that, it is

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incredibly useful and purposeful for me. And I'm forever grateful.

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I don't have to take the minister's word on anything. Anything.

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I don't have to.

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Before, I've listened to the minister hoping he's right on

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how he's translating it. Oh, Lord, hope the minister... but

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now I don't have to do that hallelujah and I

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know some people are listening right now maybe saying dang

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well I don't I don't want to take her word

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for it I want my own word and listen maybe

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you'll get it maybe they'll get it maybe if it's

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in their soul contract or in their in their path

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and for the highest and best they'll get it if

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not I always say take the best and leave the

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rest I studied near-death experiences myself for years. I studied

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so many teachers. And I think most teachers have an

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element of truth in their work, an element. But it

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doesn't mean you just take every single thing that the

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person says. I don't care what type of acclaimed teacher.

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This is how we get into trouble, right? But then

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people surrender their sovereignty to the wisdom of another person.

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And I always say, listen, when I'm speaking, here's my thing.

455
00:27:07.190 --> 00:27:09.549
I am not saying this is the truth or the

456
00:27:09.670 --> 00:27:13.009
absolute truth, even a truth. I am simply saying everything

457
00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:16.390
I say tonight is my truth based upon my lived experience.

458
00:27:16.730 --> 00:27:19.859
That's it. Joe next door might be saying something very

459
00:27:19.910 --> 00:27:22.599
different and that's okay too. We don't have to argue

460
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.799
about me and Joe's belief system being different. Take the

461
00:27:26.859 --> 00:27:30.680
best and leave the rest because everyone has something of

462
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.819
value to offer you. And this is where we do

463
00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:34.940
a great disservice to ourselves and the human experience because

464
00:27:35.990 --> 00:27:38.829
Nobody wants to hear anybody else anymore if they don't

465
00:27:38.890 --> 00:27:46.029
just agree exactly what I'm saying. We have, and we

466
00:27:46.069 --> 00:27:50.609
miss it. We miss it. The universe humbled me. I'm

467
00:27:50.630 --> 00:27:52.130
going to tell you how the universe humbled me. I'm

468
00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:56.259
going to tell you something. Three years ago, my cat,

469
00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:59.440
my beautiful, beautiful, beautiful cat that I had, my little

470
00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:02.500
Burmese cat, I got him when he was six weeks old.

471
00:28:03.230 --> 00:28:05.069
When he was 19 years old, I had to put

472
00:28:05.109 --> 00:28:07.930
him down because he had an advanced kidney disease. And

473
00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:10.430
I'm going to tell you, I had the vet. I

474
00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:12.950
had the vet come to my home. I had him

475
00:28:13.069 --> 00:28:17.089
euponized here in my home. And honest to God, I

476
00:28:17.829 --> 00:28:20.509
wanted her to put me down right alongside of him

477
00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:25.990
because he was my best friend. And when this little

478
00:28:26.059 --> 00:28:31.960
being transitioned, the pain that I felt, it was terrible.

479
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.299
unbearable to people who have deep relationship with the animals.

480
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:42.029
They understand that. And one night, a few nights after

481
00:28:42.069 --> 00:28:45.809
he was transitioned, I was in so much pain. I

482
00:28:45.829 --> 00:28:47.309
woke up at like two in the morning and I couldn't,

483
00:28:47.490 --> 00:28:50.890
I couldn't sleep. And I was just, my, my just,

484
00:28:51.009 --> 00:28:52.829
I was just felt like my nerves were all on

485
00:28:52.869 --> 00:28:56.529
the outside. And there is a man connected to me

486
00:28:56.589 --> 00:29:01.369
on Facebook, Mr. Smith, Reverend Smith, And Reverend Smith had

487
00:29:01.430 --> 00:29:06.509
sent me his messages every month for the past five years.

488
00:29:07.789 --> 00:29:09.630
And he was a Facebook friend and he's such a

489
00:29:09.730 --> 00:29:13.559
lovely man. I never, even though I didn't believe, you know,

490
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:17.619
in what he was teaching, he's hardcore fundamentalist, hardcore and

491
00:29:18.140 --> 00:29:21.680
preaching hellfire and all that. And I never listened to

492
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:25.160
any of Reverend Smith's sermons. I knew we didn't have

493
00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:27.589
a similar belief, right? And I just wasn't even going

494
00:29:27.609 --> 00:29:31.069
to go there. But let me tell you something. 2

495
00:29:31.069 --> 00:29:32.950
o'clock that morning or 2, 3 in the morning, I

496
00:29:32.970 --> 00:29:36.049
got up and I happened to look on my phone.

497
00:29:36.069 --> 00:29:39.029
I looked at my phone and Reverend Smith has sent

498
00:29:39.049 --> 00:29:42.730
me one of his letters. messages. And the message, the

499
00:29:42.809 --> 00:29:46.769
headline of the sermon was, just hold on for one

500
00:29:46.829 --> 00:29:55.259
more night. And the title penetrated. And I clicked open

501
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.799
on that video and I watched Reverend Smith's whole one

502
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:04.390
hour sermons. because I was trying to hold on for

503
00:30:04.490 --> 00:30:07.690
one more night. And I listened to his whole sermon.

504
00:30:07.789 --> 00:30:09.670
And you know what I did? I took the best

505
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.900
of the best and I left the rest. When he

506
00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:17.000
started going off into his hellfire, internal death, I left that.

507
00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:19.779
I left it where it was. But let me tell

508
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.359
you something. He had a message for me that night.

509
00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:26.089
And the next day I wrote him back after five

510
00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:28.470
years of not listening to his messages every time he

511
00:30:28.509 --> 00:30:31.130
said it to me. I wrote him back, said, thank

512
00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:34.769
you for the sermon. So that taught me right there.

513
00:30:34.809 --> 00:30:37.130
That humbled me really good because see, everybody has a

514
00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:40.079
message for you. You may not agree with what someone

515
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.740
thinks largely in their system of thought, but everybody's got

516
00:30:43.779 --> 00:30:50.339
at least one nugget of wisdom. And only the wise

517
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.250
will know. Listen for that one golden nugget. So that's

518
00:30:54.289 --> 00:30:57.849
why I always say, take the best, leave the rest,

519
00:30:57.970 --> 00:31:01.250
even if it's just one sentence. One sentence is enough

520
00:31:01.269 --> 00:31:02.250
to change your whole life.

521
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.259
Very powerful statement there, too.

522
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:07.829
Yeah.

523
00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:10.890
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All right, folks, welcome back to Paratroop Reborn. And I've

535
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:11.519
been talking to Darnella Ford about her book, The Next Breath. Now, Darnella,

536
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:18.150
something that I'm sure a lot of people maybe misunderstand

537
00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:23.710
about out-of-body experiences is they think it's a near-death experience.

538
00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:28.069
So what is the difference between an out-of-body experience, a

539
00:32:28.329 --> 00:32:32.579
lucid dream experience, and a near-death experience?

540
00:32:33.380 --> 00:32:36.299
Right. So that's such a great question. So basically an

541
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:41.420
out-of-body experience versus the near-death experience. The near-death experience is

542
00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:45.720
often induced by trauma to the body or in the

543
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:52.660
body or something has malfunctioned in the body, heart attack, aneurysm, sepsis,

544
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.789
anything that would put the body into a state of failure,

545
00:32:56.509 --> 00:33:04.269
car accident, blunt trauma. And how the body is a

546
00:33:04.509 --> 00:33:10.400
similar experience in terms of the consciousness removing or unattaching

547
00:33:10.460 --> 00:33:14.519
itself from the physical body, but it's not generally induced

548
00:33:14.619 --> 00:33:19.059
by trauma. Although I have encountered several people who have

549
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:24.690
had out-of-body experiences where while they were being abused or traumatized.

550
00:33:25.190 --> 00:33:28.049
So it can potentially be induced that way. Most of

551
00:33:28.069 --> 00:33:32.569
the time, out-of-body experience of out-of-body travel is not induced

552
00:33:32.609 --> 00:33:37.410
by trauma versus that. It's an interesting concept with the

553
00:33:37.470 --> 00:33:41.450
lucid dreaming. With myself, I've experienced that to be basically,

554
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:46.480
to me, where you're waking up in the dream and

555
00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:51.119
you can potentially... gain control of what would be considered

556
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:54.240
the dream. I always feel like lucid dreaming is a

557
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.940
form of being in between worlds though. I feel like

558
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.460
lucid dreaming could be a potential, like you're in your,

559
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.549
because I feel like when someone is lucidly dreaming, that

560
00:34:03.569 --> 00:34:10.869
their consciousness is somewhat detached from the physical apparatus. Um, at,

561
00:34:11.010 --> 00:34:13.820
at that times, I feel like I've always felt like

562
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.280
they're in, they're in, in between. I feel like there's

563
00:34:16.300 --> 00:34:17.000
an in between.

564
00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:18.159
Okay.

565
00:34:19.690 --> 00:34:29.139
Now, when you've done these out-of-body experiences, have you come across...

566
00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:32.980
You mentioned your guides and whatnot, but have you ever

567
00:34:33.019 --> 00:34:38.659
come across other entities, beings? What was that experience like,

568
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:42.159
and were you ever, like, frightened by them? Yeah, I mean, I.

569
00:34:42.389 --> 00:34:46.909
Oh, my God. I've come across, I mean... So many

570
00:34:46.929 --> 00:34:50.170
different kinds of beings. One of the first that I

571
00:34:50.190 --> 00:34:54.360
think about that kind of freaked me out, and I

572
00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:57.840
like for my words to be encouraging, uplifting, and I

573
00:34:57.860 --> 00:35:00.920
don't like to add to the fear. There's enough fear

574
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.099
in the world. So it was never my intention to

575
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.300
add to a fear-based theories and thoughts and analogies. But

576
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:10.699
I did have a frightening experience, and it was only

577
00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:12.920
frightening because of my interpretation. It may not have been

578
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.639
naturally frightening into itself because I was in any type

579
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:22.809
of danger. I experienced an extraterrestrial being that appeared before me,

580
00:35:22.829 --> 00:35:26.210
and he just had such a very profoundly different look

581
00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:30.530
than anything I'd ever seen. I don't even know how

582
00:35:30.550 --> 00:35:33.449
to explain. All of his hands were like claws. His

583
00:35:33.510 --> 00:35:37.110
teeth were like saws, like little saws. He was very,

584
00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:39.809
I mean, it just was just one of these things

585
00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:41.789
that you just, you feel like you're looking at a

586
00:35:41.849 --> 00:35:46.300
creature feature episode. And I remember thinking when I saw him,

587
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.199
I said, oh, he's not real. I told myself it

588
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.579
wasn't real. And that's where my brain went to. My

589
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.659
brain went to, it's not real. And then he reached

590
00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:56.420
out and he took a swipe and I could feel it.

591
00:35:56.619 --> 00:35:58.400
And then I said, oh no, it's not real. And

592
00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:01.840
then he did it again. And I felt it. And

593
00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:03.360
then I said, okay, I don't want to be here.

594
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:06.489
And I commanded myself, you can invoke your sovereignty. And

595
00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:08.289
I said, I don't want to be here. And from

596
00:36:08.329 --> 00:36:10.670
the Lord God of my being, I wish to experience

597
00:36:10.769 --> 00:36:14.670
another space. And then I ended up leaving that space

598
00:36:14.710 --> 00:36:17.119
and going somewhere else immediately the blink of an eye.

599
00:36:17.610 --> 00:36:21.289
I wish I wouldn't have the courage to stay and just,

600
00:36:21.510 --> 00:36:25.190
you know, sometimes you abort the situation so quickly, you

601
00:36:25.230 --> 00:36:27.469
may miss why you were there in the first place.

602
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.239
He could have been incredibly insightful and given me a

603
00:36:30.260 --> 00:36:33.179
lot of wisdom. But because he looked so, I couldn't

604
00:36:33.219 --> 00:36:39.230
process his appearance. That's one thing. I've experienced, I experienced

605
00:36:39.329 --> 00:36:43.449
a being that looked, one night that looked like, He's

606
00:36:43.469 --> 00:36:46.929
the kind of things that like mythological, when you think

607
00:36:46.969 --> 00:36:50.550
of mythological figures, he looked like a mythological, like a

608
00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:53.230
Zeus or he looked like he was made out of a,

609
00:36:53.510 --> 00:37:00.079
like a copper, really beautiful, really angelic, really, I don't know.

610
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.119
I mean, just breathtaking. I was overwhelmed at the sensation

611
00:37:05.139 --> 00:37:09.139
of seeing something so incredibly mythical and Looks like a

612
00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:12.719
mythical figure. I also saw, oh, one of my favorites

613
00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:17.300
was two months ago, I left my body and I

614
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:22.320
was flying above and over this community. And as I

615
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.719
looked down, I could see these were the community of

616
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:29.079
the giants. And these were literal giants. They were incredible.

617
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:32.079
They were human, but they were giants. I mean, I

618
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:33.760
don't know, perspective of 20 to 30 feet in length.

619
00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:41.849
And height, that's my guesstimation. They were wearing, they were

620
00:37:41.869 --> 00:37:43.929
men and women, and they were having some kind of

621
00:37:44.429 --> 00:37:49.900
special kind of sacred fair event, carnival, something. They were

622
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:53.579
all heading to the town's community square. Reminded me of

623
00:37:53.639 --> 00:38:01.280
an Amish community. They all wore very open, flowing clothing, silk,

624
00:38:01.460 --> 00:38:06.460
fine garments, tunics. And what resonated with me in this dimension,

625
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.820
there was a lot of peace in this dimension. And

626
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.840
it was so beautiful. And I wanted to, I actually

627
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.960
wanted to go to the event. Like I was feeling

628
00:38:14.019 --> 00:38:18.780
really like, man, I want to go. But I wasn't invited.

629
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:23.110
And I was not allowed for whatever reason to co-mingle

630
00:38:23.150 --> 00:38:25.889
with them. So I could only stay above them. I

631
00:38:25.909 --> 00:38:28.489
was never able to be up on the ground. Oh,

632
00:38:29.489 --> 00:38:32.449
but they were breathtaking. And that was breathtaking. And I

633
00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:36.719
had tried. I've tried to go back to that. I

634
00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:40.219
don't know why I saw that particular community, why I

635
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:42.739
had access to that, but it is one of the

636
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.199
most incredible things. And I've tried to induce that again,

637
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:49.579
and I have not been able to. Matter of fact,

638
00:38:51.219 --> 00:38:55.190
every place that I've loved, that I've loved and been

639
00:38:55.230 --> 00:38:58.789
madly in love with, and every experience, I've never been

640
00:38:58.849 --> 00:39:02.210
able to replicate it a second time. It's a one

641
00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:05.889
and done all the way across the board. The most

642
00:39:06.070 --> 00:39:09.170
magical kingdoms that I've seen, the most magical beings that

643
00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:13.360
I've experienced. I've had a beautiful connection with the Jaguar,

644
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:17.579
but the Jaguar is purple, beautiful, the most beautiful hue

645
00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:21.119
of purple you've ever seen. And I felt its paw,

646
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.550
which I still remember to this day. I've gone into

647
00:39:24.570 --> 00:39:29.010
other dimensions and I've come back and I felt just

648
00:39:29.690 --> 00:39:35.940
sometimes incredibly like longing for them, like homesick, like longing

649
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.619
for them. And there's no map to find your way

650
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:41.250
back to a place like that. You know, there's no

651
00:39:41.889 --> 00:39:44.829
GPS coordinate that I could find that city again or

652
00:39:44.889 --> 00:39:48.610
find that town or find that location. So For me,

653
00:39:48.699 --> 00:39:50.949
it's been a journey of just gratitude and having to

654
00:39:50.969 --> 00:39:53.469
just be grateful that I got a chance to see

655
00:39:53.590 --> 00:39:56.929
in this embodiment that it exists. I may never see

656
00:39:56.949 --> 00:39:59.269
that again in this lifetime, but I'm just grateful to

657
00:39:59.309 --> 00:40:02.360
know that it's real and that I had a blink

658
00:40:02.389 --> 00:40:04.760
of an eye to be in that space for a moment.

659
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.199
Now, there's going to be those skeptics out there that say,

660
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.460
you know, Darnella, this is just, you know, your imagination.

661
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.690
This is a trick of the mind. OBEs aren't real.

662
00:40:19.110 --> 00:40:22.420
What makes you think there may be more to them

663
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.940
or have you experienced something that says this is more

664
00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:27.860
than just my mind?

665
00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:33.920
Well, I mean, the mind is very powerful. The mind

666
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.550
is very powerful. You know, there's a certain conviction in

667
00:40:38.590 --> 00:40:41.469
knowing that they cannot be articulated in words or in language.

668
00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:45.619
You know, if I had to convince someone, I would

669
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.940
never take the burden of that on. I always say

670
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.619
I'm not here to convince or convict anyone of anything.

671
00:40:51.500 --> 00:40:54.099
I'm simply here to share. Each person will have to

672
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.530
decide based upon where they live in their own mind, heart,

673
00:40:56.610 --> 00:40:59.969
and spirit, and based upon their own collective experiences, what

674
00:40:59.989 --> 00:41:05.769
they choose to believe for debate's sake, right? The beautiful

675
00:41:05.789 --> 00:41:09.739
thing is I don't debate. You know, I'm sharing my story.

676
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.739
And if someone doesn't believe it, ultimately... It doesn't matter

677
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.369
to me because I know that one day they will

678
00:41:16.409 --> 00:41:20.570
leave this planet. They will have their final breath and

679
00:41:20.610 --> 00:41:23.289
then they'll see for themselves. So I know it's just

680
00:41:23.329 --> 00:41:25.789
a matter of time. And listen, I'm not in a hurry.

681
00:41:25.869 --> 00:41:28.550
I can wait. You'll know one day for yourself up

682
00:41:28.590 --> 00:41:29.929
close and personal for sure.

683
00:41:33.489 --> 00:41:39.480
Have there ever been any moments that you questioned whether

684
00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:41.539
it was an OB or not? Like, for example, you

685
00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:46.519
mentioned People travel, have OBEs when they sleep all the time.

686
00:41:46.539 --> 00:41:48.719
Have you ever questioned any of them?

687
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.099
No. No, it's so interesting. No, I don't. It's funny

688
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.219
because I don't even think like that. I wouldn't even

689
00:41:57.260 --> 00:42:00.900
know to question it. Isn't that interesting? It would be

690
00:42:00.940 --> 00:42:03.809
like this. I could ask you right now, do you

691
00:42:03.849 --> 00:42:05.650
question that you're sitting in your room right now? Do

692
00:42:05.670 --> 00:42:07.730
you question where you are? Do you question that this

693
00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:11.739
is real? I mean, you might. But as you're going

694
00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:14.079
about your day, you're in the market, you're buying bananas,

695
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:15.840
you're not sitting in the store going, is this real?

696
00:42:17.619 --> 00:42:20.420
You don't think like that because you're in the experience.

697
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.920
At least the average person does it. And I know

698
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.659
that someone could say, well, you know, I question this

699
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.860
reality all the time and this isn't real. This is

700
00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:30.469
an illusion. I mean, we can take on all the arguments,

701
00:42:30.489 --> 00:42:32.489
we could take it. But I'm just saying on a

702
00:42:32.550 --> 00:42:36.170
day-to-day basis, the average human being is not walking around

703
00:42:36.309 --> 00:42:39.130
questioning whether or not the person that they're talking to

704
00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:43.269
and the experience they're having is, a valid experience. So

705
00:42:43.650 --> 00:42:46.840
the validity of it, no, I do not question. Is

706
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.460
it real? It's, it's, you know, it's funny question is,

707
00:42:50.539 --> 00:42:54.760
is this real? So if someone wants me to prove

708
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.099
that that's real, I will first ask them to prove

709
00:42:57.139 --> 00:42:59.010
to me that this is real. And then I will

710
00:42:59.170 --> 00:43:05.829
do my best to prove that's real. Can you prove

711
00:43:05.869 --> 00:43:08.349
to me that this reality is real? How do you

712
00:43:08.389 --> 00:43:09.030
know it's real?

713
00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:13.929
Who are those weird ones that always question if reality

714
00:43:13.989 --> 00:43:14.590
is real?

715
00:43:15.050 --> 00:43:17.389
Yeah, I mean, and well, you should, right?

716
00:43:17.469 --> 00:43:24.559
But while you're at the market buying your groceries, I mean,

717
00:43:24.579 --> 00:43:27.539
I think when you get to the checkout, you're going

718
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.960
to be pulling your wallet out to pay for your

719
00:43:29.980 --> 00:43:32.840
groceries because you believe it's real enough that you're going

720
00:43:32.860 --> 00:43:34.929
to have to pay for this food.

721
00:43:35.769 --> 00:43:39.489
You know what I mean? So, I mean... I think

722
00:43:39.530 --> 00:43:44.280
sometimes in the human experience, I get the questions. I'm

723
00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:48.559
a relentless question asker. I'm a relentless seeker myself. I

724
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.860
guess for myself, I don't, I guess I don't think

725
00:43:50.900 --> 00:43:55.730
in that terms because in terms of it being real,

726
00:43:55.809 --> 00:43:58.349
because I just, I just know that it is like,

727
00:43:58.389 --> 00:44:01.710
I just, I don't know how to give you or

728
00:44:01.829 --> 00:44:05.710
anyone a satisfactory answer to that. just based upon my

729
00:44:05.769 --> 00:44:09.130
lived experience, based upon my understanding of consciousness, based upon

730
00:44:09.170 --> 00:44:12.300
the essence of my awareness, based upon the system of

731
00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:16.139
reality that I moved in and through and around, based

732
00:44:16.179 --> 00:44:20.380
upon my interaction with those, based upon mental telepathy, based

733
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.409
upon my observation and witness of parallel realities and all

734
00:44:24.449 --> 00:44:28.170
the things that I've seen in 20 years, I believe

735
00:44:28.230 --> 00:44:28.570
it's real.

736
00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:38.409
Now, have you ever bumped into any past loved ones doing? Oh, absolutely.

737
00:44:39.030 --> 00:44:44.829
Absolutely. I have four best friends who transitioned 2009, 10,

738
00:44:44.829 --> 00:44:48.679
11 and 12. My best friend transitioned in 2012. I

739
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.880
encountered all of them in the hereafter. I had conversations

740
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.659
with them. I had a very good friend who transitioned

741
00:44:55.699 --> 00:44:58.639
about two months ago and 12 hours after she transitioned,

742
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.670
I left my body and I went to just connect

743
00:45:02.690 --> 00:45:07.030
with her one time, which I did. Um, so yes,

744
00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:09.900
our loved ones are not what we would call far away.

745
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.380
They're right here. They are right here. And, um, you know,

746
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.619
I think it's interesting thing because I think in the

747
00:45:17.659 --> 00:45:21.329
very beginning when our loved ones transition, oftentimes you can

748
00:45:21.449 --> 00:45:26.750
feel them very strongly around the family because they're helping

749
00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:30.460
the family and supporting the family. Sometimes as time goes on,

750
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.059
this element that we would call time, once they integrate

751
00:45:34.139 --> 00:45:37.420
back fully into the non-physical, they also have things that

752
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.179
they're doing there and assignments and, you know, their own

753
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.300
level of studying. You know, they're not just floating on clouds, right?

754
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.039
They're actually active and they're participating in another system of reality.

755
00:45:48.820 --> 00:45:50.780
Sometimes of the days and the weeks and the months

756
00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:52.920
of the years go by, you will feel then maybe

757
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.590
what feels to be less and less around you. but

758
00:45:56.650 --> 00:46:01.380
they're always accessible. And in times where you need that

759
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.780
support and comfort, you know, or anniversaries or birthdays or

760
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.639
special occasions, or when you're having a particularly difficult time,

761
00:46:09.139 --> 00:46:16.760
they will make their presence pronounced. So yes, I think that,

762
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.800
you know, so sometimes people may feel like they feel

763
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.440
their loved ones a lot in the very beginning and

764
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.670
that they don't feel as you know, and they also

765
00:46:25.710 --> 00:46:29.550
to understand, you know, they want you, they want us

766
00:46:30.289 --> 00:46:34.130
to live out our journeys on earth. They want us

767
00:46:34.210 --> 00:46:37.550
to stay on our paths. They want us to continue

768
00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:41.159
our lives and to not allow our human journeys to

769
00:46:41.389 --> 00:46:45.559
end because theirs did. So, you know, there's a respect,

770
00:46:45.619 --> 00:46:49.000
there's a container of respect for the process of of

771
00:46:49.059 --> 00:46:52.059
them honoring our earthly journeys and for us to be

772
00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:55.929
able to reintegrate or integrate their transition into the next

773
00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:57.909
step of how do we move forward? How do I

774
00:46:57.969 --> 00:47:00.630
move on forward from this moment forward with you on

775
00:47:00.650 --> 00:47:03.969
the non-physical me and the physical, those are massive levels

776
00:47:04.030 --> 00:47:07.400
of adjustment. So, you know, space and grace is given

777
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.940
for it all. I believe that's what I believe.

778
00:47:12.139 --> 00:47:14.679
And I appreciate that you bring up that they're always

779
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.550
here with us because, um, Years ago, this is going

780
00:47:19.829 --> 00:47:24.329
on 13, 14 years ago, I was going through a

781
00:47:24.369 --> 00:47:28.329
very hard time in a relationship that I'm no longer in.

782
00:47:29.469 --> 00:47:34.780
And I heard my grandfather's voice. And it's all going

783
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.699
to be okay, you know. And it was the kiddo that, like,

784
00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:42.420
snapped me into, like, okay, this is really him. This isn't, like,

785
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:48.480
my imagination thinking of... Wow. Thinking of him? Yeah. And

786
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.519
I also got the smell of Black and Miles because

787
00:47:51.539 --> 00:47:53.380
when we were younger, you used to smoke Black and

788
00:47:53.420 --> 00:47:54.320
Miles all the time.

789
00:47:54.340 --> 00:47:59.320
Oh, okay. They use scents. They bring their scent so

790
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:00.820
that you can recognize them.

791
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:05.340
And then shortly after that, I heard polka music in

792
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.820
the apartment, but like I would go outside. It wasn't outside.

793
00:48:10.269 --> 00:48:12.789
I'd go out in the hallway of the apartment building.

794
00:48:12.949 --> 00:48:16.030
There was no sound that was even close to this

795
00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:21.190
poke of music that I was hearing. So I, when

796
00:48:21.230 --> 00:48:25.429
I talk to people that are of my kind of weird,

797
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.340
I will put it like that. I always want to

798
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.659
bring that up because it's like, it validates for me

799
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:37.340
that that experience was something real. And something that I've

800
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:40.510
asked a lot of people about, about out of body

801
00:48:40.550 --> 00:48:44.849
experiences or astral projection is I have always wanted to

802
00:48:44.989 --> 00:48:49.210
try it, but I'm very, very scared that I wouldn't

803
00:48:49.289 --> 00:48:51.489
want to come back or I would not be able

804
00:48:51.510 --> 00:48:54.079
to find my way back. What are your thoughts on that?

805
00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:58.260
Um, yeah, I know. Yeah, that would be a, that, that's,

806
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.579
that makes sense in the human experience that we'd be

807
00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:05.570
afraid we're going to lose our bodies. You can't, it's impossible. Um, uh,

808
00:49:06.809 --> 00:49:09.610
You're connected by way of energy and it's yours. It

809
00:49:09.650 --> 00:49:12.360
belongs to you, right? So you're not going to lose it.

810
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.389
As far as not wanting to come back, listen, I

811
00:49:14.389 --> 00:49:16.880
had experiences where I didn't want to come back, but

812
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.500
it didn't matter because my time here was not complete.

813
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:22.960
and I was back. You don't just get to step

814
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.219
out and bounce like that. I like it over here.

815
00:49:26.260 --> 00:49:29.400
I'm going to stay. No, you're not. You can visit,

816
00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:33.500
but then you've got to go back. I don't think

817
00:49:33.539 --> 00:49:36.750
that would be a problem, but fear is the number

818
00:49:36.909 --> 00:49:41.349
one obstacle for out of body journeys. That's the number

819
00:49:41.449 --> 00:49:43.590
one reason that people, cause you know, once it starts

820
00:49:43.630 --> 00:49:47.130
to happen or the vibration starts to raise and it

821
00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:50.449
can feel, uh, just the process itself can be very

822
00:49:50.510 --> 00:49:54.860
frightening because it represents an aspect of the unknown and,

823
00:49:54.909 --> 00:50:00.539
you know, gripping so tightly to our 3d material reality. Um,

824
00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:04.739
but yeah, fear is, fear is common, but you, you

825
00:50:04.780 --> 00:50:08.199
would definitely come back You really wouldn't have a choice.

826
00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:10.070
You'd come back.

827
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:11.070
Okay.

828
00:50:12.349 --> 00:50:15.050
Now, this is going back years and years when we

829
00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:21.429
first started podcasting. We talked to a woman who would

830
00:50:21.889 --> 00:50:26.400
astral project, and there was an experience that she had

831
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:28.969
where she was helping all of these people I don't

832
00:50:28.989 --> 00:50:32.489
remember the exact situation on the astral plane that it

833
00:50:32.510 --> 00:50:36.469
was happening, but when she came back to this side

834
00:50:36.489 --> 00:50:39.969
of reality, she saw that she was actually helping people

835
00:50:40.110 --> 00:50:45.190
that were in a plane crash. Have you ever seen

836
00:50:45.409 --> 00:50:49.409
that when you interact with something on the other side

837
00:50:49.469 --> 00:50:51.610
or in our reality?

838
00:50:51.630 --> 00:50:51.710
Yeah.

839
00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:54.260
I've heard stories like that, but I had not had

840
00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:56.739
that personal experience. The only thing, the closest I could

841
00:50:56.780 --> 00:50:59.530
say I've come to anything remotely like that, I was

842
00:50:59.590 --> 00:51:05.869
working with at-risk youth here. This is 15 years ago.

843
00:51:05.889 --> 00:51:13.110
I was working, supporting, guiding, counseling, facilitating at-risk youth in

844
00:51:13.179 --> 00:51:17.780
Compton and South Central Los Angeles and high-risk populations. And

845
00:51:17.820 --> 00:51:22.239
I worked with a lot of suicidal teenagers. And simultaneously,

846
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.920
my out-of-body experiences, I started working with children who had

847
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.050
transitioned across the veil by way of suicide. So in

848
00:51:30.090 --> 00:51:32.530
the body, I was working with suicidal teens. Out of

849
00:51:32.550 --> 00:51:35.570
the body, I was working with teens who had completed suicide.

850
00:51:35.869 --> 00:51:39.489
That's the only level of cross-reference that I have between

851
00:51:39.570 --> 00:51:42.659
both worlds in that way. Okay.

852
00:51:45.380 --> 00:51:47.880
Have you ever gotten any messages that were.

853
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:55.449
Shocking or made you really think outside of what you

854
00:51:55.489 --> 00:51:56.250
normally believe?

855
00:51:57.130 --> 00:51:57.269
Yeah.

856
00:51:57.329 --> 00:51:59.130
I think one of the first things that I, one

857
00:51:59.150 --> 00:52:01.010
of the first, one of the early messages I got

858
00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:03.840
was that death is safe as actual message that came

859
00:52:03.909 --> 00:52:06.699
death is safe. And that was, that was a mind

860
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.820
blowing way to look at death because death is something

861
00:52:08.860 --> 00:52:11.659
that most are terrified of that we run from that

862
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:13.900
we avoid that we try to put off at all costs.

863
00:52:14.539 --> 00:52:17.349
So the fact that death is safe is, was a

864
00:52:17.530 --> 00:52:20.030
mind bending concept for me.

865
00:52:23.730 --> 00:52:27.030
We had somebody who, who, um, had a near death

866
00:52:27.070 --> 00:52:32.199
experience on a, uh, several weeks ago and similar message. Um,

867
00:52:32.300 --> 00:52:36.179
you know, this is not the end. Um, when we

868
00:52:36.219 --> 00:52:40.639
die that, um, Once we're on the other side, we

869
00:52:40.699 --> 00:52:44.699
actually still continue to work and learn and grow.

870
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.539
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

871
00:52:48.940 --> 00:52:51.860
I find that to be a breath of fresh air

872
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.630
of we work to live over there. We're over here.

873
00:52:58.769 --> 00:53:01.929
We have to... I'm sorry. We live to work over there.

874
00:53:02.329 --> 00:53:03.969
We have to work to live over here.

875
00:53:03.989 --> 00:53:05.119
A lot of people....

876
00:53:07.789 --> 00:53:10.610
We'll probably associate with that. But at the same time,

877
00:53:10.630 --> 00:53:15.909
I feel this experience should be just as fulfilling like that.

878
00:53:15.969 --> 00:53:18.579
We should be living to work, not the other way around.

879
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.719
A hundred percent. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think

880
00:53:21.739 --> 00:53:23.360
the way the system is set up and the way

881
00:53:23.420 --> 00:53:27.199
our civilization and the way that the hierarchy of, you know,

882
00:53:27.699 --> 00:53:31.230
it's interesting that people, everybody wants to win the lottery

883
00:53:31.269 --> 00:53:34.639
because they want to buy back their time. Right. That is,

884
00:53:34.690 --> 00:53:41.130
we have to sell our time to live. Um, so yeah, it's, it, it,

885
00:53:41.269 --> 00:53:42.730
in a lot of ways it feels like a very

886
00:53:42.809 --> 00:53:45.269
unnatural system. It's the way we set it up over here.

887
00:53:45.949 --> 00:53:48.369
Everybody's trying to find a way to buy back their time,

888
00:53:48.409 --> 00:53:51.449
to free themselves from this concept of obligation and doing

889
00:53:51.489 --> 00:53:54.289
things they don't want to do, but that they feel

890
00:53:54.309 --> 00:53:55.610
that it has to do to pay their rent and

891
00:53:55.630 --> 00:53:57.929
pay their bills and take care of their families. So, yeah,

892
00:53:57.969 --> 00:54:00.730
I mean, the, the ideal would be to create a

893
00:54:00.769 --> 00:54:03.690
life that you love. And to be able to fall

894
00:54:03.730 --> 00:54:05.409
in love with your work or do work that you

895
00:54:05.429 --> 00:54:07.829
love or find something that's meaningful for you or something

896
00:54:07.849 --> 00:54:11.849
that's purposeful. And I think that, you know, I feel

897
00:54:11.869 --> 00:54:13.889
like that's what so many people are searching for or

898
00:54:13.929 --> 00:54:17.500
so many people are trying to do. And at the

899
00:54:17.539 --> 00:54:19.900
end of the day, no matter where you are, to

900
00:54:19.940 --> 00:54:23.980
be able to extract a measure of joy and assign

901
00:54:24.099 --> 00:54:29.179
a meaning that makes your day easier than harder. If

902
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:33.989
you are pouring coffee at Starbucks, assign a meeting to

903
00:54:34.030 --> 00:54:36.650
that that makes it easier for you to get up

904
00:54:36.710 --> 00:54:39.489
in the morning and get there. If you assign the

905
00:54:39.510 --> 00:54:42.590
meeting that this is just a terrible job and you're just,

906
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.719
you know, this is the worst place for you to be,

907
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:46.980
it's going to be really hard to be activated and

908
00:54:47.019 --> 00:54:49.579
motivated to get in there. But if you can assign

909
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:53.179
a meeting that this is purposeful for you to have

910
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:57.219
this moment so that you can learn and grow, so

911
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.360
that you can meet and touch base with so many

912
00:55:00.380 --> 00:55:02.590
different kinds of people so that you could learn the

913
00:55:02.809 --> 00:55:06.829
art of connection and communication so that you can understand

914
00:55:06.889 --> 00:55:08.869
on another level what it is to be of service

915
00:55:09.650 --> 00:55:12.670
in the capacity of serving so that you can meet,

916
00:55:12.690 --> 00:55:15.030
you know, there's so many different ways you could spin

917
00:55:15.050 --> 00:55:16.869
it to make it a little bit easier.

918
00:55:16.889 --> 00:55:17.849
You know, let.

919
00:55:17.769 --> 00:55:19.449
Me see how much love and light I can bring

920
00:55:19.489 --> 00:55:21.889
into the world today. Let me, let me smile at

921
00:55:21.909 --> 00:55:23.559
some person who might be sad that they're on their

922
00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:25.019
way to work in the morning while I hand them

923
00:55:25.059 --> 00:55:27.980
their coffee. Let me try to bring the best of

924
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.239
me to this moment in time. Right? So, That will

925
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:33.699
help change the experience of just, oh my God, I

926
00:55:33.739 --> 00:55:36.190
got this horrible job that I'm just, you know, I

927
00:55:36.190 --> 00:55:37.929
want to jump off a bridge, but I sit on

928
00:55:37.949 --> 00:55:39.550
South Pole to work, you know?

929
00:55:40.150 --> 00:55:40.409
Yeah.

930
00:55:41.090 --> 00:55:43.610
So much of it's our mind. So if you are

931
00:55:43.670 --> 00:55:45.650
in a place that you don't want to be standing in,

932
00:55:46.409 --> 00:55:48.590
until you can get out of it, change your mind

933
00:55:48.650 --> 00:55:51.480
and change your relationship to how you see yourself in

934
00:55:51.539 --> 00:55:52.079
that place.

935
00:55:52.099 --> 00:55:54.440
Awesome.

936
00:55:55.510 --> 00:55:56.949
All right, well, it is about that time to let

937
00:55:56.969 --> 00:55:58.349
you go, so I wanted to give you the chance

938
00:55:58.369 --> 00:56:01.190
to tell everybody where they can find you, find your work.

939
00:56:01.210 --> 00:56:01.969
The mic's all yours.

940
00:56:02.929 --> 00:56:05.639
Oh, thank you. Yes, please. They can reach me through

941
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.659
my website, which is journeytoworthy.org, and that's just journey, and

942
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:15.519
then t-o-worthy.org. They can send an email to me through

943
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:19.469
my website. They can find me on Facebook under Darnella Ford, and...

944
00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:22.219
If they want to look at the book, The Next Breath,

945
00:56:22.420 --> 00:56:25.619
which is life after loss and journeys into the hereafter,

946
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.599
I talk about a lot of my experiences in the

947
00:56:29.699 --> 00:56:34.769
afterlife around this. This book was inspired after a dear

948
00:56:34.849 --> 00:56:37.969
friend of mine, a student of mine, ended his life

949
00:56:38.110 --> 00:56:44.409
in 2021. And I had a very painful, hard grieving

950
00:56:44.469 --> 00:56:49.289
process of a healing after he transitioned. So This book

951
00:56:49.349 --> 00:56:52.369
is born from that. It's very powerful, very potent. And

952
00:56:52.389 --> 00:56:54.610
thank you so much for having me on. And it's

953
00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:57.619
been a joy to connect with you in this way.

954
00:56:57.639 --> 00:56:59.920
Yeah, thank you for being on.

955
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.699
Yes, okay, thank you.

956
00:57:02.300 --> 00:57:04.300
All right, folks, make sure you check out the book,

957
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.090
The Next Breath. Definitely a powerful book and a powerful

958
00:57:09.190 --> 00:57:12.730
way to start looking at death itself. Don't let the

959
00:57:12.769 --> 00:57:17.170
conversation end when tonight's show does. Join our Paratroopers community

960
00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:21.650
on Facebook. Continue exploring these mysteries with us and everybody

961
00:57:21.690 --> 00:57:25.190
that's in that group. And for $ 5 a month, our

962
00:57:25.590 --> 00:57:29.289
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directly supporting the show. Come become a Paratrooper. We want

964
00:57:34.550 --> 00:57:36.059
you here and we want you to be a part

965
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.380
of our family. Until next week, folks, where you will

966
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:42.900
find us, same time, same channel. My name is Justin.

967
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:44.480
I'll talk to you guys next week.

968
00:57:55.369 --> 00:57:55.690
Thank you.