July 27, 2025

Seers of Savannah w/Bryan Byers

Seers of Savannah w/Bryan Byers
Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
Amazon Music podcast player badge
Castbox podcast player badge
Deezer podcast player badge
Podcast Addict podcast player badge
Podchaser podcast player badge
JioSaavn podcast player badge
Spreaker podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player icon

Step beyond the ordinary and into the mystical with this unforgettable episode featuring Brian and Jen Byers—award-winning psychics, storytellers of the strange, and seasoned guides through the unseen realms. Broadcasting from haunted Savannah, Brian and Jen open up about their psychic gifts, spiritual awakenings, and jaw-dropping paranormal encounters. From eerie ghost stories and emotional séances to profound conversations about energy, intuition, and the soul’s journey, this episode is a deep dive into the supernatural with two of its most captivating voices. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, prepare to be intrigued, inspired, and maybe even a little haunted.

Brian and Jen Byers are nationally recognized psychic mediums and co-owners of Savannah Psychics, Mystic Apothecary, and Savannah Ghost Tours. Based in Savannah, Georgia, they’ve been voted Best Psychics three years in a row and are known for their powerful mediumship, compelling storytelling, and deep connection to the spirit world. Featured on AMC’s You Are Here with Colman Domingo, Brian and Jen conduct séances, spiritual readings, and paranormal investigations that bridge the gap between history and the supernatural. Together, they bring heart, humor, and a grounded authenticity to every spiritual encounter.

Bryan & Jen's websites: Savannah Psychics & Mystic Apothecary

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/paratruth-reborn--6273542/support.

Thanks for listening!

WEBVTT

1
00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:34.280
Welcome, Well go well do Para Truth Truth. How's it going, Paratruthers.

2
00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:39.399
Welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn. This

3
00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.200
is a pre record show on one of seven zero

4
00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.799
point seven FM, New Orleans and United Public Radio Network.

5
00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:50.159
My name is Justin. Eric is gone. He is on

6
00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:53.200
set and on a horror film, so I'm super excited

7
00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:56.320
for that for him. But tonight I'm going to be

8
00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:01.600
bringing on Brian Buyers Uh. Brian and are national recognized

9
00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:05.879
psychic mediums and co owners of Savannah Psychics, Mystic Apothecary

10
00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:11.640
and Savannah Georgia. I'm sorry, Savannah Goes Tours. Based in Savannah, Georgia,

11
00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.040
They've been voted best Psychics three years in a row

12
00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.159
and are known for their powerful mediumship, compelling storytelling, and

13
00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.680
deep connection to the spirit world. Featured on AMC's You

14
00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:28.560
Are Here with Coleman Domingo, Brian and Jen conduct seances,

15
00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.959
spiritual readings, and paranormal investigations that bridge the gap between

16
00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:38.760
history and the supernatural. Together, they bring heart, humor, and

17
00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:44.480
a grounded authenticity to every spiritual encounter. Unfortunately, Jen was

18
00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.400
not able to make it on, so I'm gonna be

19
00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.079
just talking to Brian, and Brian is a very dear friend,

20
00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.599
so I'm looking forward to the conversation. I'm going to

21
00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.959
bring Brian in the conversation right now. Brian, Welcome to

22
00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.200
Pair Truth Reborn. How's it going, man.

23
00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.799
It's going fantastic. Justin good to see you and yeah,

24
00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.760
well I feel like welcome back almost but it's done

25
00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.800
a long How are you awesome?

26
00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:17.080
We are doing so well with the re marketing on

27
00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:22.840
Paratruth we got with uprn and our numbers have been

28
00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.520
the highest we've ever had. So I'm super fantastic and

29
00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:30.960
enjoying doing this all over again, because, as you know,

30
00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.240
if you're doing a podcast about the paranormal, it can

31
00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.759
kind of get redundant at times and boring.

32
00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:42.560
So you're right, You're right. It's funny. Things have changed

33
00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.199
over the past twenty years, haven't they.

34
00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:50.680
Absolutely? Yeah, And it's mind boggling to realize that, you know,

35
00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.639
Eric and I started this in two thousand and eight,

36
00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.520
so we've been doing this, yeah, almost twenty years now.

37
00:02:57.719 --> 00:02:59.400
It's get insane.

38
00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:05.639
Yeah, well, I'm proud of you. So you got my everything.

39
00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:10.879
I'm excited about this all over again and getting people

40
00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:16.039
on such as yourself, like you you know that, Like

41
00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.960
I love doing this, and we've been through the Ringers

42
00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.599
together doing this, so.

43
00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.680
We have been It's funny, we have been through the

44
00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:31.520
Ringers a lot of interesting stories there that probably you know,

45
00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.759
no one wants to hear, but unless they're drinking with us,

46
00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.000
and then yeah, that would be great.

47
00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:42.319
Right, that's an after hours you know, off the video.

48
00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.159
Totally. Yeah.

49
00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.680
So you and Jen have been killing it in Savannah

50
00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:53.879
and I love that. Over the past couple of years,

51
00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.759
you guys have been voted best psychics in Savannah and I.

52
00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.319
Were five years now, yeah, five or six years, I

53
00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:01.879
can't remember.

54
00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:10.280
That is nuts. Now, you have been a psychic for

55
00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:15.360
a very long time and you've kind of known. You've

56
00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:17.720
had these guests from a very young age, right.

57
00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:23.360
That's correct, absolutely, I think probably around four, you know,

58
00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.600
and Gen's very much so the same way. We're both

59
00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:31.399
you know kids, We just you know, we know what

60
00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.439
spirit is around. It gets a little weird, you know,

61
00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.600
Like when we first met, I was not I was

62
00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.040
talking about it a little, but not a lot the whole.

63
00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.319
And this, you know, this is twenty years ago. I

64
00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:49.800
didn't want to be that. I was I had a

65
00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:53.759
different image. We had our podcast, you know, Goastology back then,

66
00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:57.759
back in the day. We were crushing it then, and

67
00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.439
the idea was, you know that we weren't, you know,

68
00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.959
or I wasn't gifted with the whole idea, you know,

69
00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:08.959
And but I was. And I even would experiment on

70
00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.759
some episodes. We would be, well, let me see if

71
00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.199
I can talk in. One person in particular that came

72
00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:20.199
through was Jeffrey Gould. I will never forget that, his dad.

73
00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:22.800
And it was just like, wow, it's the most insane

74
00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.519
thing to have happened. And that's when I realized I

75
00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.480
can really do this, but do I want to do it?

76
00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.920
I was a little scared of it. So I like

77
00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:35.879
being the the paranormal guy, but not the psychic paranormal guy,

78
00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:36.360
you know.

79
00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.519
So yeah, well, and when I first started pursuing it,

80
00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.399
I mean, I was the same way, and I still

81
00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.000
kind of am because I'm not at the height that

82
00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.839
you guys are. I can feel when people are around.

83
00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:55.360
I can sometimes eat your spirit don't know what they're saying.

84
00:05:55.480 --> 00:06:01.480
Sometimes I can read people's thoughts without realizing that I'm

85
00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:05.120
doing it. But it is kind of scary if you

86
00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.920
think about it. To talk to something that other people

87
00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.079
can't see.

88
00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.120
It is, I agree with the age with that. Yeah,

89
00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.639
it took me. You know, I've always been comfortable with

90
00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.519
it because there is something that I would never tell anyone,

91
00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.680
and you know, up until just recently when Jen's like,

92
00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.680
we need to just tell people. I always surrounded myself

93
00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:32.399
with rabbits and no one really knew why. I never

94
00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:35.439
really talked about it. I just sort of let it

95
00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:40.560
be this very weird thing that I liked. But my

96
00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:46.000
my spirit guide I've I've always called rabbit and you know,

97
00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.040
named him when I was young. So the whole you know,

98
00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.079
the whole thing was he's not a rabbit, you know.

99
00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.360
And I found out later, you know, I asked him,

100
00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.240
why do I call you rabbit? You know, and he's

101
00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:00.560
he's letting me know. I wasn't saying rabbit. I was

102
00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:04.240
saying RABBI mind blown there a little bit took me

103
00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:06.959
back and going, wow. He was saying, I'm your teacher,

104
00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:10.199
I'm your guide, you know. But as a kid, you

105
00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.560
hear rabbits, so that's all I was saying, And so

106
00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:16.600
it stuck. It took me a while to let that

107
00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.279
one out of the bag. Everyone's like, why do you

108
00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.240
sharing yourself with rabbits? Where are you always drawing rabbits?

109
00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.519
And now you know, I just like them. But eventually

110
00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.160
I just said, look, you know, I feel like I

111
00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:32.560
am connected with with a rabbit spirit. And that was

112
00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.639
the best way I described to it, even back in

113
00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.639
our day, back a long time ago. So but it

114
00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:39.879
takes a while to fall into it, to trust what

115
00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.439
you're doing, you know, and go, you know, first off,

116
00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:49.000
is this good? Or am I crazy? I've done about

117
00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:53.199
maybe twenty or thirty thousand readings on the past couple

118
00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.879
of years. That's a lot if you really look at

119
00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:02.519
the numbers, and what's wild is making future predictions for people.

120
00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:07.600
And it's just I can't tell you how it works.

121
00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.160
I don't understand. I just know I can say it

122
00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:14.839
and then it's there and it happens. And if it

123
00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.360
was just once, I would call that like coincidence or

124
00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.120
a fluke. But twenty or thirty thousand times and you go,

125
00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.319
I guess it's I am really able to do it.

126
00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.120
I just don't think about it when I'm doing it.

127
00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:30.279
I really just I don't focus on what I'm doing.

128
00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.399
I just let my mouth run like right now. So,

129
00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.799
but for you it would be about confidence about going.

130
00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.240
I just I'm going to say all this stuff even

131
00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.759
if it doesn't make any sense, and it'll make sense,

132
00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.279
you know. I think we can all do it.

133
00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.360
I think that's part of the fear though, is even

134
00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:55.000
in today's day and age, being a psychic medium is

135
00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:59.440
still highly skepticized. And I mean I encourage people to

136
00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:03.320
be skeptic about it, especially at all psychic mediums, because

137
00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:06.519
not all of them really truly are what they say

138
00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:06.879
they are.

139
00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.360
I agree, Oh, I totally agree with that. I've I

140
00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.600
like to go get readings with people and I've only

141
00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.960
had a few people I've had readings with where I go, well,

142
00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.200
they nailed it, you know. And I can tell you

143
00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:23.960
you know, Rick Hayes one of my number ones. He's amazing,

144
00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.960
very good at what he does. Scotty Rock, I know

145
00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.960
a lot of people know him. And Tiffany Johnson, holy cow,

146
00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.480
I was gonna bring her up, yeah, because I had

147
00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:40.480
one from her too. She's great. It's just like you go, well,

148
00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.120
you know, there are some people out there, but all

149
00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:45.720
the other people have had reading foots, which which are

150
00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:50.159
a lot like I'm like you're just you know, it's

151
00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.600
like they're going, you know, one day you're going to

152
00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:55.440
wake up. One day you're going to eat something. Yes,

153
00:09:55.799 --> 00:10:00.240
that's so true. You know, give me something we weird

154
00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:02.840
that I can look. I can put on my calendar,

155
00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.840
you know. So I like when people say August, this

156
00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.919
is happening. You go, Okay, that is great. You know.

157
00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:16.799
Now for you and Gen, do you guys implement each

158
00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.840
other as a couple being both psychic mediums.

159
00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.120
So first let me say, I wish you was here.

160
00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.399
She's not feeling good. So I'm riding in a seat

161
00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.559
for both of us today. But we do compliment each

162
00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:37.399
other now. It's funny. Jen and I both spiritual walks.

163
00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.360
Mine has been very different than hers. Hers man has

164
00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.600
been pretty wild because she got into church late in life,

165
00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.519
and she got into spiritfulled churches where doing what we

166
00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.360
do isn't weird. So they're like, oh, you're not psychic,

167
00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.120
you're prosthetic, and so she's like, wow, this is cool.

168
00:10:58.159 --> 00:10:59.960
So I can just tell people stuff and she was

169
00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:05.879
able to and it worked. It matched. She's had a

170
00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:11.080
lot of extra training more than me. She's studied underneath

171
00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.679
one of the most prolific palm readers here in New York.

172
00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:20.279
And so she's learned her her gift in palm, which

173
00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.320
isn't just looking at the lines here, it's interpreting them

174
00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.159
because it's going to be a lot. It's gonna be

175
00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:29.799
different for everybody, almost like when they use tarot cards.

176
00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.000
The terror cards don't mean the same thing for everybody.

177
00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.279
So it's not a formula. So when she does the palm,

178
00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:39.600
there's a lot of similar lines she can look at

179
00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.159
and she can say this, that and this, but she'll

180
00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.440
pick something up on that line that isn't there and say,

181
00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.639
oh my god, this And that's where she most blows

182
00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.879
people of minds with the palm reading. And then she's

183
00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.879
been to Lily Gale and trained there as a medium

184
00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.639
up in New York, and that's where the whole spiritual

185
00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:05.159
movement started. The spiritualist movement started with the Fox Sisters

186
00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.799
and the Edgar Casey and all that happened up there.

187
00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.080
So but she's just been doing She does a lot

188
00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.960
of a lot of learning and stuff to enhance her abilities.

189
00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.200
So we do compliment each other when we do a reading.

190
00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:23.200
For when we're tag team a reader, I'm mostly doing

191
00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.320
it my way here. Uh. And then but she'll start

192
00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.279
it and it's fun because she'll start it. She'll start

193
00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.080
with her palm and as she's talking, if I need

194
00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.399
to jump in, I'll jump in and go. And this

195
00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.559
is going to happen because of that, and so it's

196
00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.360
kind of fun to see us working in tandem. We're

197
00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:50.320
even thinking about offering that as a style. Okay, her

198
00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.120
it's a cult aage for back. That was crazy, all right.

199
00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.639
So yeah, so Jim's been taking you know, classes, palm

200
00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.840
reading classes. She's been up to Lily Day, which is

201
00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.440
where the whole spiritualism started spirit Spiritual Movement with Edgar

202
00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.720
Casey and the Fox Sister. So she's like the salt,

203
00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.919
I'm like the pepper. So you're asking if we were

204
00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:15.200
like salt and pepper. We really are. We're different, but

205
00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.879
we're the same. What's really cool is we've had someone

206
00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.559
get a reading with her and then get a reading

207
00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.000
with me, with us talking to each other, we have

208
00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:27.080
separate reading rooms and it's the same reading. So the

209
00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.519
woman was just mind blown. She's like, you guys are

210
00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.120
both on par and I love that We've had that

211
00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.919
happen a couple of times. But we tag team. I

212
00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:37.120
think tag teaming is fun.

213
00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:42.559
Oh yeah, And so now have you had skeptics come

214
00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:45.960
in and you guys, you get different readings from you guys,

215
00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.240
and they're just like, you guys are frauds or no.

216
00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.919
I'll be honest. Every person that's come in here, we

217
00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.799
never asked for reviews. So we have a series of

218
00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.360
really great reviews. I've had maybe two things that didn't

219
00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.879
happen exactly as I said they were going to happen.

220
00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.120
Maybe three, because there's a new one. It's not that

221
00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.080
it didn't happen, it's just the guy was in a

222
00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.200
car accident and didn't make it to the concert where

223
00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.519
he was going to meet her. Oh but he met

224
00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.720
her six weeks later in a cast at the same

225
00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:23.679
place and and everything matched. She was like, this is

226
00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.519
the guy he was talking about. He was in a

227
00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.320
car accident on that night and didn't make it to

228
00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:31.159
see the band that was playing. So it happens. The

229
00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:34.840
world does its own thing, So there's free will. But

230
00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:38.320
I've had many people come up, especially in a couple's reading.

231
00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:41.399
Normally it's the guy that goes, yeah, I'm just going

232
00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.799
to do this for my wife, you know, and then

233
00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.360
they're bawling. At the end of the reading. You're like and.

234
00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.399
They're like, I don't know how you did it. I

235
00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.279
don't get how you do this, but you're good and

236
00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.679
I love that. So my favorite people are the skeptics.

237
00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.240
If they don't they don't, you know, I say, just

238
00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.720
give it a shot, you know, give it a shot.

239
00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.200
It's always fun, especially if you have a good psychic,

240
00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:09.759
a real good reader, someone that is in tune with people.

241
00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.159
I think that's the problem. There's a lot of people

242
00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.200
that can read Taro and say that they're psychic and

243
00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.720
they're not, you know. I mean, terror was sort of

244
00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.120
a formula. That's why I don't use it the right way.

245
00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.240
I use it my way and it works better. And

246
00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.840
Jin's the same way. She doesn't use it the right way.

247
00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.559
Sometimes this card needs one thing, sometimes it means something else.

248
00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.360
But what it does is it gives a visual roadmap

249
00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:38.039
to the person that's getting a reading. She always tells

250
00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.559
people when they sign up with me, Oh, he doesn't

251
00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.799
need cards, you know, you can just sit there with

252
00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:47.519
him and you'll just unrapple it for you. So, but yeah,

253
00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.799
we get a lot of people that aren't skeptical. We've

254
00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.399
had people that have had a reading down the street

255
00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.559
and then they come here right after going I didn't

256
00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.360
like my reading, I want to try you, and then

257
00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.720
they leave going this is what I was looking for.

258
00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.440
So I feel like, you know, if you're a good reader,

259
00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:09.440
you're going to give a good reading, even if someone's

260
00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:14.440
closed off a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you get that sometimes.

261
00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:20.600
But yeah, now, being in Savannah, it's reportedly one of

262
00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.960
the most haunted places in the world.

263
00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.360
Let me just say I'm clarify. It's the most ponded

264
00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:32.600
city in the world. There we go. That's friends podcasts.

265
00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.240
If I just want to plug it, the most ponded

266
00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.600
city in the world, it's the Savannah podcast So.

267
00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:42.039
Okay, Yeah, I've seen you post about it. Yeah I have.

268
00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.720
I've been out of the listening podcast scene for so

269
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.399
long it's hard to choose what to listen to.

270
00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:50.279
Oh, I hear you, I hear you.

271
00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.639
Now, have you ever had any like killing encounters or

272
00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:56.840
memorable ones?

273
00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.559
I've been in Savannah for a very long time. Yes,

274
00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.240
even before I met you. I was started in Savannah,

275
00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.319
so I was here way before you know, everyone came

276
00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.599
to Savannah doing this whole thing. So there weren't ghost

277
00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.119
tours when I was here in the eighties. But I've

278
00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:19.160
had my louder experiences in the eighties. So I've had

279
00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:24.640
so many very wild things happen, but on a psychic level,

280
00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.599
even back then, I was able to try and discern

281
00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.799
was this a human spirit or was it a non

282
00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:39.160
human spiritual being? You know, And so yeah, some really

283
00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.440
wild things happened in front of people and they were like,

284
00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.799
you know, well, we're not drinking. That really just happened,

285
00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:52.960
and it's it has been pretty mind blowing. Recently, I

286
00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.880
was up in the old distillery here in Savannah and

287
00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.319
they let me go up there, and I've got videos

288
00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.319
on the news, and the people that run the tour,

289
00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:08.559
the Savanna Ghost towards the trolley, they use my clip

290
00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.559
from that news thing all the milk it, so everyone

291
00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.160
knows the guy with the hat and the beard. So

292
00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.720
I'm sitting in this room and I feel this energy

293
00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:19.279
come up in front of me, and I'm like, I

294
00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.000
can see you're right when I say that, there's a

295
00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.200
chair behind me. This sly, it just moves sideways, but

296
00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.400
it's pitch black, so I hear it. I just don't

297
00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.079
know what happened. I'm like that sound awhile When I

298
00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:35.000
turned back around, my chair moved forward, and so they

299
00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.960
were moving. They were showing their strengths as a spiritual being,

300
00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.440
what they were capable of. They could move things thinking

301
00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.119
it would scare me, and then I let them let them.

302
00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.119
Now that doesn't bother me. You know, it really showed

303
00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.240
me something, you know that very Zach Bagan's you know,

304
00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:54.559
show me something and I'll react. But they never touched me.

305
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.640
They I've never had anything touch me or harm me.

306
00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.599
So I have a hard time when people go, oh,

307
00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.640
I was bitten, I was scratched. I'm like, maybe, you know,

308
00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:08.839
I still have a hard time with that concept because

309
00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.400
I've not seen anyone really do that, at least I've

310
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.759
never experienced it. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I

311
00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.400
just have a harder time understanding why why why why

312
00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.200
didn't that one show off and touch me instead it

313
00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:26.000
moved things around, you know, right. But there's a lot

314
00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.880
of that in Samama. There's a lot of weird things

315
00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.880
that even in our building upstairs right now, in this room,

316
00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:33.960
I have one spirit right over here hanging out. He's

317
00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.240
been up here since we moved here four years ago.

318
00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.319
Oh he goes by Moses. I know who he is.

319
00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.839
I know his entire story. Now, we've had seances here

320
00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.839
where he's come through. But he likes when they do stuff.

321
00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.160
He just hangs out and listens. So I think he's

322
00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:54.920
a little nosy, you know, wants to see what's going on. Yeah,

323
00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.079
he's like, oh, I want to hear your your your dirt.

324
00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.960
And so when I'm doing readings and this this is

325
00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:05.119
my reading room, yeah, he'll he'll pop in and I'm like, dude,

326
00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.400
I see you, Roses. I know you're here, man, but

327
00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.319
we're not talking to you right now. So it's funny.

328
00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.240
He just knows I said that, like he just reacted.

329
00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.759
It's just very funny. So Savannah's got a lot of

330
00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.799
that now.

331
00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.720
A lot of people have a negative connotation when it

332
00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.960
comes to seances. For those out there that are not

333
00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:33.279
educated about what seances are or how they work, can

334
00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:35.039
you tell us a little bit about how you guys

335
00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:35.720
do seances.

336
00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:40.559
Sure, our focus is the raised the devil so that

337
00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:45.279
we can take over the world. Oh sorry, that's a

338
00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:50.160
horrible job. That's awful. The word seance is a French word.

339
00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:54.160
It means to sit for an extended period of time.

340
00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.839
So seance means to sit for a long time. And

341
00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:02.519
so what we do is we sit and we we

342
00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.400
open up the room. We're not trying to connect with

343
00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:10.640
you know, uh, dark spiritual beings where we're not doing

344
00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.680
any of that. What we're asking is, is there anyone

345
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.960
that would like to talk with us? And we're willing

346
00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.839
to listen. And so what we're doing is we are

347
00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:26.680
allowing spirits that have crossed over to come in and participate.

348
00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:33.480
For them, it's like uh therapy. Uh. They got a

349
00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:35.319
lot on their mind, a lot of stuff they haven't

350
00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:38.799
had a chance to talk to with people here, especially

351
00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:40.440
when it's loved ones, because we get a lot of

352
00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:44.559
loved ones that come in. But what we do is

353
00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.039
we sit, we close off the room so that there

354
00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.400
is no uh, we're not looking for any dark energy

355
00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.440
you know, we want We're looking for people we like,

356
00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:55.640
people that are nice, that want to talk, that are

357
00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:57.920
not We've had we've had a few moments where we've

358
00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.200
had to shut the sailans down and start over or

359
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:03.240
just leave it. We leapt at once because it was

360
00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.359
just too much. But the way it operates Jen and

361
00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.839
I sit next to each other and we have everyone

362
00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:12.960
in the room kind of focus on someone that they'd

363
00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.319
like to come through. It doesn't mean that that person

364
00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.160
will come through, but there's a higher chance, I've noticed.

365
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.079
And during that time, we try to discern each spirit

366
00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:23.799
that does come into the room because they know that

367
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.680
you're doing this and they're like, well, we want to participate.

368
00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:31.119
And people don't change, so when we cross, we don't

369
00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:34.799
become ethereal and enlightened. I mean we do a little bit.

370
00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.680
I call it rehab. We go through kind of a rehab.

371
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:41.920
I think God's got it set up so you've got

372
00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.240
to deal with all your garbage first for you tube

373
00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:49.640
step over right. But like we just we did a seance,

374
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.799
uh six months ago or or whatever. It was a

375
00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.079
really good one. Like we were the people that were

376
00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.880
sitting there. We were getting names, very reached, hard to

377
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:05.359
know names. One guy's name was Texas Oklahoma. I said

378
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:10.319
it in that order and they were like, that's our grandfather.

379
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:13.799
I'm like, that's who's here then, and they're like, I

380
00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.759
mean that's his name. That was his name. He can't

381
00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:20.440
make that up. It's just that what he said. Exus Oklahoma,

382
00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:24.960
and then we got interrupted by a spirit that rushed

383
00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:28.680
in really hard with a lot of energy. And I

384
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:32.200
was doing automatic writing. That's where you hold the pencil

385
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:36.279
lightly and you just let the spirits move it and

386
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.680
try and write with it. It's fascinating. There's two styles

387
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.960
of that. There's one where people write what they're hearing.

388
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:45.680
You know. I don't do that one. I do the

389
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.079
one because that would be easy at A lot of

390
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.519
people wouldn't enjoy that, you know, I could do that

391
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.119
all day long. I might as well just say it.

392
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.200
But when you're letting the pencil just lightly go back

393
00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.720
and forth, back and forth, and then you feel it

394
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:00.920
move and it makes a shit eight and that shape

395
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.160
is a letter or you know, and that that becomes

396
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.160
a word. It really is prolific. And the feeling of that,

397
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:12.039
by the way, when you're doing that, and I like

398
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.319
to try I like to have everyone try it. It's

399
00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:22.160
it's this icy electric shooping, like touching a battery or something.

400
00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:24.079
You know, you can feel it in your hands, so

401
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.559
they're actually trying to hold your hand and do something

402
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.400
at the same time. But this guy rushed in and

403
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:35.119
he just started scribbling. All this crazy passed up and

404
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.119
I just remember I didn't understand and I don't remember

405
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.200
the word. Now we have the papers. We gave it

406
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.039
over to the Savannah Paranormal Museum. I think we did.

407
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.599
You might have done that, but it was the word

408
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:52.119
that came through was as the night O. J. Simpson

409
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:54.319
died or the day O. J. Simpson died, and it

410
00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:56.319
was his first name. I figure what it is. It

411
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.279
starts with an oh, it's really a weird name. And

412
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.880
the person I take die is Ojay Simpson. Why is

413
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.759
he coming through? He's not dead? And I'm like, I

414
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.880
don't know. That's what the guy wrote. So we started

415
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.880
talking to him. We asked him what you know? What

416
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.680
what do you see? And he says nothing darkness. So

417
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.680
he's writing nothing darkness, So all you saw was darkness

418
00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.400
and we were like, why are we getting someone calling themselves?

419
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.480
And it's something like orphanol I can't remember. And then

420
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.680
he wrote a number and we thought, well, maybe that's

421
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.079
his his jersey number. We'll go and we'll look it

422
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.279
up after the sounds. So after the seance was over

423
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.720
and we closed it out, we looked up all the

424
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.240
information and we found out the news they had had

425
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:44.039
died we were like, holy crap. So he died on

426
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:48.440
that same day and then wrote all this stuff and

427
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.559
it wasn't his jersey number that was his his birthday.

428
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:55.640
So no, it was the last two digits of his Uh.

429
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.519
I don't forget what it was. But we were like,

430
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.839
it's just too much weirdness. So when we went on

431
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.400
TikTok and we were I follow a bunch of other

432
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.599
mediums and they were posting the same thing. OJ came

433
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.400
through and said he can't see and I'm like, that's

434
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.000
what I got. That's what we all got. We were

435
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.160
all getting the same thing. It was a really wild Uh.

436
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.599
TikTok makes it easy to see in real time what

437
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.160
everyone else's gil or. Yeah, so we it was wild.

438
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:23.880
That's very cool. I mean a lot of really cool

439
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.400
medium friends on TikTok that night because we were like

440
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:31.000
showing off our automatic writing and they were mind blown

441
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:34.480
by that and they were showing us there. Uh, they

442
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.759
were doing their portal you know recordings ASTs method you

443
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.880
know where you try and be a medium and hear

444
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.920
it come through the spirit box and it is wild.

445
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.640
So that's to us the seances and't talking to evil

446
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.119
spirits when I'm trying to talk to the devil, you know,

447
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.759
that's the lit look. I got eight kids. That's the

448
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.759
last thing I want to choose. I don't want to

449
00:26:57.799 --> 00:26:59.799
want to deal with the juvel. You know. I had

450
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:01.839
a long day of readings. I'm ready to go home

451
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:06.480
and have some some verbict you know. So, but yeah,

452
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:08.799
anyone that and there are people that do try to

453
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:16.599
open up the portals the doors, and you can do it, okay,

454
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:22.880
so it is possible, but why you know, right, it's dangerous, man.

455
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.880
And that's why this whole doll thing. I'm like, we're

456
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.200
very good friends with the people at the Savannah Paranormal

457
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.680
Museum and they keep getting new items and it's just

458
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.119
crazy what's going on over there. And we go over

459
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.440
there and we have a great time. We love Megan

460
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.839
and Chris so much and Justin they're just great people.

461
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.480
But they're getting some pretty active stuff and we're helping

462
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:50.039
them protect protect it so it leak on to someone

463
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:53.680
Else's just awful. So this whole doll thing that they're

464
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.400
going on, that's a whole other volume. I know. I

465
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:56.559
could talk for hours, but.

466
00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:00.039
Yeah, well I'm glad you bring it up because a

467
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.759
friend of mine had just reached out yesterday about it,

468
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.119
and I hadn't heard anything about it. And I don't

469
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.279
know why, but I thought Zach Baggins was the one

470
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.599
that had Annabelle. But maybe I'm just getting the memories

471
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.119
mixed up.

472
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.000
Uh. And that's that stayed in the whole Warren family,

473
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.279
the nephews, youner Johnny at one point had he was

474
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:28.119
Haunted Collector on his TV show. Annabel has definitely made

475
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:33.079
its travels around. But yeah, no even even traveled with

476
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.200
with with Ryan uh mister Buell for a little bit there.

477
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:42.000
But yeah, I was doing the uh the tour and

478
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.519
and Dan's just a really sweet guy, like awesome person.

479
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.240
You know. It sucks, the really good sucks. And so everyone,

480
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.599
you know, they're getting all excited about this whole you know,

481
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.400
annabel did this and all, and I'm like, look, you know,

482
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.920
let them grieve. You know, it's like it's someone's dad,

483
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.559
this is someone's husband, and you know, there's a lot

484
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:06.240
going on. The last thing we want to talk about

485
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.599
is that, as as wild as it is and as

486
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:13.799
coincidental as it might it might be, I don't think

487
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:19.759
it's what people think. And yeah, you know, I've actually

488
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.440
been near the animal, though I haven't had any adverse

489
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:28.319
reactions to it. I didn't feel anything. Robert the doll

490
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.880
has a whole other ball game. That doll is off

491
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.599
the chain man there's but it's it's not that energy.

492
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:39.559
It's just that thing's alive. It's like a real being,

493
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.799
a person. So I don't know what has happened with

494
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.599
Robert as wild, but yeah, I just tell everyone to

495
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:51.799
pray for Dan. Dan's family here and his wife and

496
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.160
his kids and in close family and people that he

497
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.000
worked with. He loved what he did, so.

498
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.359
Yeah, I mean, if he died doing what he loved,

499
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.480
that that's all you can ask for, right.

500
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.799
No, the guy was very happy, very happy person, always

501
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.680
helping people, you know what I mean, like almost like

502
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:16.359
a therapist, encouraging people and stuff. You know, he's got

503
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.319
one of those spirits so when you meet him, you're

504
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.079
just like, oh, man, you know, I would be surprised.

505
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.480
If I did the seance, he would probably pop through,

506
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.960
you know, do his rounds. He might do that tonight.

507
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.000
Who knows. I have no idea. I haven't heard or

508
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.680
felt anything so but I haven't even been looking. I've

509
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:35.960
been too busy. Yeah.

510
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:45.240
Now do you feel drained or just bogged down after

511
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:46.920
a day of work doing this.

512
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:55.519
I'll be very honest, yes, I at first know, okay,

513
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.079
because it's it's exciting in the very beginning when you're

514
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.200
when you're you know, this is like twenty years ago,

515
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.759
fifteen years ago delivering readings. You get all excited and

516
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.480
you're like, and I could remember all my readings, you know,

517
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.720
I would do like ten or eleven in a day,

518
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.160
and I would be excited. I could remember them all,

519
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:19.400
you know, and here I am, you know, way years later.

520
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.640
I did maybe seventeen today.

521
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.039
That's a lot, it is.

522
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.480
I might remember one because it was a medium reading

523
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.400
and we didn't get the person that we wanted to

524
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.960
come through, and so it's sort of a disappointment there.

525
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.119
I was like, God, I really want this person to

526
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.000
have who they're looking for, but you can't conjure people.

527
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.480
But that's the only reason why I remember that reading.

528
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.519
It was a mom and a daughter and I'm like,

529
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.599
we're going to get this person. Well it just didn't happen.

530
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.400
And so you know, that's the that's the problem with

531
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.039
the medium reading. You know, you can't really I can't

532
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:02.000
guarantee anything right there, you're dealing with the other side.

533
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.559
It's really it's like a paranormal investigation. You know. You

534
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.640
can go to the uh Wayverally Hill Sanatorium every night

535
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.359
in a row, but three of them are acted and

536
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:15.119
the other four it's quiet. Yeah, you know, so you

537
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.279
can't really guarantee anything well.

538
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:24.759
And I think that's where the the reality ghost hunting

539
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.640
shows have made people think, oh, you're always gonna find activity,

540
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:35.039
and it's not the case. So for those that want

541
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:41.440
to pursue doing like paranormal investigations, what's the best piece

542
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:42.640
of advice you could give them?

543
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.680
So that's a really good question. In the beginning, I

544
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.839
always was about protecting myself, and I did it differently

545
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.200
than a lot of people. A lot of people use

546
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.480
like you know, smudging and stuff like that just help

547
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.839
you feel like you're being protected. So it puts you

548
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:05.359
in that frame of mind. So I say protection in

549
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.079
any location, and it's not because something's going to attach

550
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.720
itself to you. It's that you're dealing with a lot

551
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.400
on the other side. There's not just human spirits. Okay,

552
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.240
So we got all these names for them. When we

553
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.119
call them all sorts of things. You know, you know

554
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.000
you got Poulter guys, you guys shadow people. You go

555
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.839
down the list, Oh, this one is intelligent, and you

556
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.119
know this one is residual. But then you're dealing with

557
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.960
the majority over there are going to be human spirits.

558
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.920
And then you get it like twenty or thirty percent

559
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.559
that are other types of spiritual beings. And when I

560
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:51.920
say that, they're different than we are, and they're not

561
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.240
necessarily pleasant, and they like to mess with you on

562
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:58.480
purpose and the ideas they're trying to get into your

563
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.839
head here a little bit, and they can bring you

564
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.759
down from the inside. And so protection is key here.

565
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.800
To walk in with confidence and to know if things

566
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.760
start to feel a little heavy for you, walk out.

567
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.800
You know, too many people pass out. Christopher Moon's mom,

568
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:24.320
we were doing an investigation. She passed up foaming in

569
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.280
the room and right there in that little kitchen area.

570
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.599
I will never forget it, man, I wasn't there quick

571
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:34.000
enough to catch her. But yeah, when you start to

572
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.719
feel it and it's not feeling well, you got the

573
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:41.079
idea is to walk out. So protect yourself with whatever means,

574
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.920
whatever belief structure you have, the idea you go in

575
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.639
there with your mindset saying it can't touch me. I

576
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.360
am not going to let anything mess with my mind

577
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.360
or my heart. And when that instance does happen, and

578
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.239
I've had one very strong instance that was more of

579
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:04.239
a possession a possession, I'll just say that you walk out,

580
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.599
and I walked out because there's no way I'm going

581
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:13.159
to go up against that. When there's somebody, a human

582
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.559
being that has something inside knowing way more about you

583
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.159
than you need, very weird details that hurt your feelings,

584
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.599
like holy crap, you walk out. So there's been moments

585
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.800
I've walked out of just an energetic building before and God,

586
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.159
I can't do this, you know, it's just it doesn't

587
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.239
feel right. One of them was I believe a serial

588
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.599
killer the home and then we got one here in Savannah.

589
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.599
I won't even bring it up because there's a family

590
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.199
living there. We don't want them to have people coming

591
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.400
back chicks of their house. But they've got a very

592
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:53.000
prolific problem, and I know they know it now they've

593
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.840
figured it out. You can't really get rid of it.

594
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.320
They've had people try to exercise the house before in

595
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.639
the past. They can't get rid of it. So but yeah,

596
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.559
protect yourself. The whole other thing is you know, and

597
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.239
the other thing i'd say about, you know, getting involved

598
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.559
in paranormal investigations, you don't have to be part of

599
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.280
a team, you know. I know, it's nice and it's

600
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.960
structured and it's organized, and there's ground rules and all

601
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.960
this neat stuff that a team brings. But if you're

602
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.480
just getting started, you know, I'll say, you know, hang

603
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.880
out with different teams. I learn the style that people do,

604
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.679
but you don't have to do it in a team.

605
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.039
It's good to do it in a group of people,

606
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.159
but you don't have to join a club or anything

607
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.039
like that, or a society. Really you want to just

608
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:41.679
you want to learn what works best for you. Some

609
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.159
people don't like to do certain things, some people like

610
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.800
to do others. I'm a big fan of bringing the

611
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.639
spiritual people in, the psychics, the mediums that see we're

612
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.400
all getting the same thing, you know, and we always

613
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.079
have one person that is the protector, so they're same

614
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.880
prayers over us while we're doing our thing, you know.

615
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.840
So it's kind of a cool concept. Better works, it's beautiful.

616
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:11.679
Yeah. The one thing I do remember from doing investigations

617
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:17.880
is we went into a bowling alley they call it

618
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:23.840
Ghost Alliot's in Cleveland, Ohio, and the group, there's a

619
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.119
couple of groups there, and the group that we were

620
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.559
doing it with had had a medium already go through

621
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:35.119
before we got there. I got there some that I

622
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.800
was feeling and it was They're like, holy crap, you

623
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:43.400
said the exact same thing the other psychic said. So

624
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.960
it was validation for me that I knew what it was.

625
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:48.760
I knew what I was talking about.

626
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:51.400
And that's the other thing you just mentioned, a really

627
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:55.880
good point. Have a medium go through first and say

628
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.920
there's activity here, there's that kiby here, there's that cibty here.

629
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.320
Didn't you guys go in and do your thing. Yeah,

630
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.360
And that's what I used to do for the TV shows,

631
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.440
So they would have me go through certain locations alone

632
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.199
and tell the camera man where to put all the cameras.

633
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.239
So that a great thing to do also when investigating.

634
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.960
Oh yeah, but you got to have a good medium.

635
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.280
You gotta have someone like you or someone that's empathic

636
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:20.480
that can feel you know.

637
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:29.039
Mm hm. Now, if there was one thing that you

638
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:35.719
could pinpoint about miss about psychics and paranormals or the

639
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.800
paranormal world that you would love to debunk. What would

640
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:39.119
it be?

641
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.039
Oh, and then I would love to debunk like it

642
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.239
like a certain topic or a certain thing or a

643
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:54.400
certain because because I'll tell you, I would love to

644
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.320
and I can. It's a reverse I think of what

645
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.800
you're asking. But I would love to be proven wrong

646
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:06.960
because the longest time I have said, probably since we've

647
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:11.280
known each other, which is a long time, that I

648
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.159
don't think you'll ever get a photographic proof of a

649
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.760
ghost or a spirit. You're not going to get that.

650
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.239
And here's my explanation, and I'd love to be proven wrong. Okay, Yeah,

651
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:26.760
here's the light spectrum. So basically, we live in a

652
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:31.199
world where our eyes see reflected light. Right, here's the

653
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:35.239
spectrum our eyes only see as much. Right, So we

654
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.719
add UV to it. So now we've got UV, and

655
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.159
we've had a couple of other you know, IR and

656
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.760
a couple of other spectrums, that there's still this giant,

657
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.880
vast array of light that is here that we don't

658
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.480
even know how to see it yet. We don't know

659
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.679
how to calibrate our lenses, our dire frams. And I

660
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.280
think if there are spirits moving around, they have a form.

661
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.480
If they can move something, if they can touch you,

662
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.760
which happens a lot, then they have a form, even

663
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.159
if it's for a moment. They manifest for a moment

664
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.440
and then they aren't here. You know. I don't know

665
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.199
how that works. But they must reflect light. But we

666
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.320
have to know what material they're made out of it,

667
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.960
and we don't know what material it is, so we

668
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.000
don't know what light to be looking at. So I've

669
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.880
said for a long time, you're never going to get

670
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.519
it on camera, not an actual spirit. And I know

671
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:28.719
there's a lot of great photographs out there, and I

672
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.039
love them. One of my favorites, you know, it's the

673
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.440
Amityville photograph of the boy's face and who he might

674
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.000
be in the story. All adds up, it really does.

675
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.079
I just don't know. We have one in Savannah, a

676
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.119
lot like in a photo, a lot like that, and

677
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.440
I just go, I just don't know if that's really

678
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:55.599
a spirit because it's being captured in regular light. Now

679
00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:59.480
I want to be proven wrong, you know. And I'm

680
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.199
a big fan. I used to have people email me

681
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.960
back during the whole ghostology days, email me all your

682
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:07.719
photos and I'll go through it and I'll try and

683
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.119
debunk it. I love that, but I yet to see

684
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.360
one where I go that is real. I just don't

685
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.000
know if we're ever gonna get it until you can

686
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.719
figure out what light we're working with.

687
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.199
No, I mean that's that's a good answer, because that's

688
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.360
a very good point and something that we're still seeing

689
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:34.480
today where people want to believe, so they're making mundane

690
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:41.840
photographic anomalies seem like it's you're capturing a ghost. Like

691
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:47.960
one example is Eric had sent me a picture of

692
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:54.920
somebody had posted in a group and it was a

693
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.320
full bodied woman. The only problem was like her one

694
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.280
leg was missing because I think she was like moving

695
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.800
way too fast and it was getting a little dark.

696
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.119
But people wanted to say, oh, look, you know, I

697
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.360
caught a spirit, and I'm like, no.

698
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:16.960
Like, I know, it's hard, isn't it? Because you want it?

699
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.199
You know? Really, we got a there was a hospital

700
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.840
up in and near the Waiverly Actually they knocked it

701
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.800
all down a long time ago, called the Paris and

702
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.679
the Parents Hospital. We we got to go through before

703
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.719
they knocked you down, and we got this amusing ir

704
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:40.800
We got this amazing uh child's face in the middle

705
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.679
of this big open area like a giant mess hall

706
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.800
or kitchen, you know, at the hospital, and you could

707
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.119
see it. It was just clear day. That is a

708
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.880
face that is amazing. And when we saw it we

709
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.000
were out in the parking lot. We ran back in

710
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.519
to recreate it, put the camera back where while and

711
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.960
it just to a few seconds of messing around when

712
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.119
we got that face back and I'm like, there it is,

713
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.440
and we started noticing. I had the people go over

714
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.320
and look at it and were and when they finally

715
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.119
walked over, it was the tile on the wall and

716
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.239
the way it was warped and reflecting it was the

717
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.519
most precise, anatomically correct paradolia I think I've ever caught.

718
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:25.159
And I was so damn disappointed because I'm like, we

719
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.760
got one. We got this right finally, you know, right,

720
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:35.679
But yeah, the mind and heart wants it so bad. Audio, man, Audio,

721
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.599
I'm gonna you know, I'm bringing on my phone here.

722
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.440
Audio is amazing. I don't know how that works, but

723
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.320
I'll be doing readings and people record the readings that

724
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.320
tell them record the audio, and then they go home

725
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:49.559
and they're listening to it and they hear their father's

726
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.440
voice come through, so they clip those out, you know,

727
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:54.480
and send them and me go, look this my dad,

728
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.719
And I'm like, that's wild because I don't know how

729
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:04.360
that works, the whole EVP slash disembodied voice concepts, because

730
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.800
you don't hear them in the room, not vocally. And

731
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.079
so I'm telling them your dad saying this, and when

732
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.079
I say it, it repeats the word, you know, so

733
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.679
the father said, you know, whatever it was, and it

734
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.159
just that's kind of a wild thing. So audio is

735
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.639
another ballgame. I think. I think we're able to think

736
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.519
they're able to manipulate or make that work somehow, and don't.

737
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.119
I don't get that. And even the spear boxes sometimes

738
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:33.480
really work out amazing, Like, yeah, I know it's a

739
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:36.920
broken radio and the whole story, you know. But I

740
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.360
but but when when we look at it, there's some

741
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.639
things that shouldn't be happening, and they just do. And

742
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.719
is it just a lot of coincidence or paradolia to

743
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.519
the ear, I don't know. But when it corroborates and

744
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.320
matches what I'm saying. So that's why I like having

745
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.599
equipment nearby while I'm doing a reading or whatever, and

746
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.840
it both happens. I say, there's someone in the room

747
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.119
and three k two meters light up your own bright

748
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.800
that's wild. I can't tell you if that's legit or not,

749
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:11.119
but it seems to happen a lot, so it's pretty, uh,

750
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:12.760
pretty fantastic. You know.

751
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.719
Well, you brought up Chris Moon, and I think one

752
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.039
of the most fascinating things to me is is the

753
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.800
Telephone to the Dead that he was using for a

754
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.639
very long time. I know that he had kind of

755
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:29.039
stepped away from it for a while just because he

756
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.079
wanted to do more psychic readings himself over using the

757
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:38.760
piece of equipment. But we went myself and a former

758
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.760
girlfriend of mine went to your event and he was

759
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.239
there and she was blown away that it sounded just

760
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:46.920
like her uncle.

761
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.440
And that is amazing. He's still there, are you for

762
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:59.480
that person? That is amazing. So Frank Sumption, the designer

763
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.440
of the of the of the Telephone to the Dead

764
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:08.000
or Frank's Box, Chris had a great relationship with him,

765
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.599
and there's a long story of how he even got involved.

766
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.000
Really wild because Chris didn't want to be part of that.

767
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.079
He didn't know what it was stepping into until the

768
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.920
box started calling his name and wanting to talk to

769
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.920
him and he was like what so, so Frank made

770
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.639
him like seventeen or eighteen different versions of the box

771
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:32.679
And yeah, you know, he just had a fire like

772
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.360
a year or two ago and he lost almost all

773
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.679
of his boxes. He's got a few that were out

774
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:43.199
on loan at the time, so that's all he's got now.

775
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.480
So they're gone, like the original and whatever Frank did

776
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.360
on the inside, I have no idea what he did

777
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.360
to make the mark. Yeah, it's sad, but those things

778
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.199
are are. I've got one in a pilot we shot

779
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.639
with Chris that has a little TV screen. We got

780
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.760
an image come through. That image is the same image

781
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.239
of the painting of the woman that's on the wall. Ah.

782
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.239
It was very mind blowing. Like I'm just like, you

783
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.280
just can't make that up, you know, right. But yeah,

784
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.840
Chris is great. Yeah, and he's been doing a lot

785
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:20.239
of psychic work without the boxes. Yeah, you know, we're

786
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.599
thinking of having an event having everyone just calm down

787
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.599
to Savannah. I mean, let's let's get the old band

788
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:33.199
back together, can yeah, get the old school fault?

789
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.440
Well, funny you should say that because I had done

790
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.480
a podcast with a friend of mine. He does a

791
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.960
show called my first car, and I brought up you know,

792
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.039
I've been doing this since two thousand and eight, and

793
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.760
he's like, oh, you're one of the ogs of podcasting

794
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.320
and I'm like, I get.

795
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.000
Are you really are? It's funny I've said that to

796
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.119
the people before. Yeah, I started my I think it

797
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.760
was two thousand then sticks or something when we started

798
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.599
our first podcast, and I'm like, that's.

799
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.760
When podcasting kind of became a thing.

800
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.880
So yeah, yeah, and they're like, wow, well what happened.

801
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:18.400
We got picked up on terrestrial radio for CBS, so

802
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.440
they're like, how did you do that? I don't remember.

803
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.880
They just liked it. So that was insane man those

804
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.519
days because they didn't have content and so that was

805
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.239
the problem. And now lots of content you know now

806
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.719
kind of oversaturated.

807
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.840
But it's way oversaturated. Yeah, but you know, with the

808
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.000
same thing with United Public Radio Network. We were able

809
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:47.840
to submit to our manager and she's like, yeah, absolutely.

810
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.559
So now we're not on two, but three radio networks

811
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.840
because I work on a radio station myself, so I

812
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:56.880
brought my show to it.

813
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.679
So yeah, it's amazing, and you know, it does so much,

814
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.000
you know, not just credibility, but it brings that audience.

815
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.320
People that didn't know you were even around. Now they're

816
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.880
able to listen. And I know Jen and I are

817
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.760
wanting to do a podcast. We've been doing toying with that,

818
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.280
as you know, so one day we might do some

819
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:17.480
weird stuff. I don't know.

820
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:25.360
Well, the one thing I know about you is you

821
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:30.960
can always make it happen. So you will. It's just

822
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.159
just like everything else, it never comes at the time

823
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.760
that we wanted to come, asked to come in its

824
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:36.519
own due time.

825
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.960
Huh, you're You're one hundred on that. And like I

826
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:45.000
said earlier today, this is my fifth lifetime that I'm in.

827
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.199
I've done everything I've ever wanted. I've done all the

828
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.519
stuff that people said. You know what it is. People

829
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.760
say I can't do something, and I'll do it, and

830
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.519
it's Uh. I was told you can't make a TV show,

831
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:01.920
Well I have many told you can't, you can't get

832
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:06.440
on trestro radio or a podcast, and we did. I

833
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.320
was told you can't make money doing animation, and so

834
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.760
I did a little. So I think I'm done. Check

835
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:17.599
Lee's now. I think I'm just going to sit here

836
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.639
and be a psychic, and I don't mind doing that. Now,

837
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.800
but a long time ago, I don't think I would

838
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.360
have ever done that. I was too busy making video games,

839
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:30.719
making TV shows, children's books and all that stuff, and

840
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:33.840
still working on the kids books. I just wrote another one.

841
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.599
I've got one called I Think We Got Ghosts. This

842
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.360
one is going to be the the I already wrote it.

843
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.480
I'm going to start the illustrations soon. It's the Cryptozoology version.

844
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.119
So yeah, it's called The Corner of My Eye. So

845
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.639
we've got I Think We've Got Ghosts in the Corner

846
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.599
of My the same kid as in both of them.

847
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:56.679
So it's kind of cute because we talked about, you know, cryptis.

848
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.119
I find it fascinating that you do our writing and

849
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.480
you're an amazing writer on top of that just fictional

850
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:11.159
and well you've done scripts as well. It's it's just

851
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:11.840
fascinates me.

852
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.920
Well, I do have another book coming out, so it's

853
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.679
an edit mode right now. Steven Radford is genius author

854
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:25.239
is editing my book for me, and it's called In

855
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.840
Their Own Words and it's the true story of the

856
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.079
Samana Spirit. So I went to every spot that is

857
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.440
a location on all the ghost tours, and I actually

858
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.199
spend time connecting with the spirits, So it's kind of

859
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.639
fun that it's not my words now, it's their words,

860
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.800
so I'm interpreting for them. And we got a lot

861
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.000
of weird stories out of that, so that would be

862
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.199
available soon. But yeah, you're a good world You're a

863
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.239
great writer, man. So going to say, you know, I

864
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:57.719
think it takes the type of people that can actually

865
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.760
have the discipline to write a book to maintain and

866
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.360
hold a very successful podcast because.

867
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.920
It's the same type of thing storytelling.

868
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:11.559
Yeah, and you got to edit this later and you know,

869
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.159
get all the garbage out or whatever if you need to,

870
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.719
And that's allowed a lot of work that goes here

871
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:18.199
and making sure it runs smoothly.

872
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:23.320
So oh yeah, yeah, And that's why I'm super thankful

873
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:24.719
I was able to get the job that I have

874
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.679
now because it's way much more up my alley than

875
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.920
working for the Post Office, which was what I was

876
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:39.039
doing before. You It's one of those things where it's

877
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.000
like you think you are doing something to better your

878
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:46.639
life and turns out it wasn't fulfilling. And I mean

879
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.239
as much as I tried to make it fulfilling. So

880
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:56.360
getting people to do shows and help them start podcasts.

881
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.360
It's it's a dream come true for me for sure.

882
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.840
I'm excited for you. Now.

883
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.519
If you could give one message from the other side

884
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.000
to listeners, and I was going to ask you this

885
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.719
even without chet GPT bringing it up, what would it be?

886
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:22.400
He wouldn't do without chat GPT bring me that's awesome podcast.

887
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.960
I've been on the Mention's good old chat. So I

888
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.679
will tell you this. I want to share this. You know,

889
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.000
we might as well just go for it. There's a

890
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.280
lot of weird happening around this right now, Okay, And

891
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.239
I'm gonna word it like this because this is coming

892
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.960
from the other side. These are the messages, including Rabbit,

893
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.000
who has been guiding me through this whole process, and Jen.

894
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.159
It might seem like things are getting weird. We are.

895
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.000
We have already entered a new war, a war we've

896
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:58.199
never done before. It's not going to feel like a

897
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:00.519
war to start with. It will be one. So just

898
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.599
watch how this goes. It gets a little weird. But

899
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.079
what I need to say is, even though things seem

900
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.800
like they're out of control, even though finances get a

901
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:12.199
little weird here and we're a little nervous about spending

902
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:19.760
money or about about living and politics. Here, you're going

903
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:24.199
to see the Constitution getting rewritten. This is already in play.

904
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.039
You're going to see churches having to revamp their styles

905
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:34.360
of teaching because in twenty twenty seven, everything's going to

906
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:38.400
change like this is a very big, weird change, and

907
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:43.840
there will be more spiritual people experiencing very weird things,

908
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.440
and so they'll be changing their belief systems. But the

909
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.960
overall picture is as crazy and as weird as this

910
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:53.639
might feel like. It's getting we hit twenty twenty seven. Here,

911
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.239
everything is gold, everything is great. This is nothing to

912
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.159
worry about. Live your life. I don't get wrapped up

913
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.719
in the politics. Watch the politics. You got to pay

914
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.239
attention to it. I'm treating it like a bubble. You

915
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.000
got to watch what's happening from the outside. If you're

916
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.039
in it and you're involved, you're missing everything. You have

917
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.599
to look at it from far away and go, wow,

918
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.000
this is so not me, you know. So there's a

919
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.039
huge thing happening in the US that our constitution gets changed.

920
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.760
There's another country where there their bylaws are getting changed

921
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.920
as well. It's important that I say it like that

922
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:34.599
because it's going to get really weird. But everything works

923
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.480
out very good. We just got to get through twenty

924
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.679
twenty six and we got to hit most of twenty

925
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.679
twenty seven. But that's where all the weird stuff. And

926
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:45.199
I want to say this out loud, because I know

927
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.079
you've got a lot of viewers. I want to say it.

928
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:48.840
If you wake up in the middle of the night

929
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.280
and you feel like there was someone just in your room,

930
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.880
or if you saw someone in your room for a

931
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:57.519
brief moment that you know you were purposely waken up,

932
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:02.360
if someone actually believe woke you up on purpose with intention,

933
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:08.679
you're probably going to go through a very spiritual change.

934
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.480
And that means you're going to start to see weird things,

935
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.440
things that you didn't think were real. And I'm not

936
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.960
talking about Joe's and I'm just going to talk about

937
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:21.159
spiritual beings, things that might look like something out of

938
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.159
a sci fi movie. I don't want you to get

939
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.719
freaked out. Just understand everything makes sense and it's going

940
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:28.239
to be okay. But I know there's a lot of

941
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.519
you guys that have been coming in. We've been having

942
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:35.239
people from DC come in and get readings. Government folk

943
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:39.320
with weird badges, asking weird questions. They know what's happening,

944
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:44.159
So there's a lot going on. Just know, nothing to

945
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.239
be scared of. Just like when angels show up in

946
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.400
the Bible, the first thing they say is fear not

947
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.559
they say, don't be scared. That's what my message is.

948
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.239
Don't be scared. It looks a little scary, you know,

949
00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:04.360
everything from war to politics, just everything, even our religious

950
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.719
leaders and stuff. It's all about to change a little

951
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.440
bit so or a lot of bit, but it's gonna

952
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.639
be changing for the best. Or everything's fine. That's what

953
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.239
I gotta say, because it's been coming up so much

954
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.599
now in my readings. It's just so much instead of

955
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:21.159
be able to get it out there and just know, Yeah,

956
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.280
things are gonna get really weird. Don't be scared. It's okay.

957
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:29.880
Oh not get really weird. They've been weird quite some time.

958
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.280
Wait wait until twenty twenty six, and then will talk

959
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.880
about what's weird. This is off the chain.

960
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.840
Man, Oh I've been doing it, so I totally get

961
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.000
where you're coming from. And it's funny you bring up

962
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.079
the being woken up in the middle of the night thing,

963
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.719
because it happened to me almost a year ago now

964
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.280
where it felt like I was being woken up by

965
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.400
something I felt like. You know, when I did wake up,

966
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.519
there was this presence there that I couldn't see, and

967
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.039
I was fearful. But I don't know if I was

968
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.599
fearful because of what it was or because it woke

969
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.360
me up of a dead sleep. But then I had

970
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.639
these two marks in the webbing of my thumb, and

971
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:19.960
it kind of freaked me out a little bit.

972
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:23.920
Don't be freaked out. That makes so much sense. You

973
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.639
have no idea to find marks. I'm glad you did.

974
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.239
I'm glad you did. You've been tagged, my brother, So

975
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.480
that just means you're going to experience something here in

976
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.960
the next two years, when we hit twenty twenty seven.

977
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.119
It will alter a lot of things that you wondered about.

978
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.360
It'll answer a lot of questions. And the fact that

979
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.679
you kept saying it woke me up, it is a

980
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.320
very good word to use right now until we're for

981
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:54.760
fully sure. So I'm just gonna say you're it's like

982
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.480
tagging a shark. You've been tagged, so they're paying attention

983
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.360
to you. Well.

984
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:04.400
And the thing is is after that, I mean, it's

985
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.719
kind of changed. But for quite some time, I wasn't

986
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:12.639
feeling the pains I was feeling normally. My anxiety had

987
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.519
gone away, and some of that has kind of all

988
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.719
come back. But I if I seriously felt that I

989
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:20.880
was touched by something.

990
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:26.000
So yeah, well they will visit you again, and you

991
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.920
will have the same relief again, and you may have

992
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.320
a different set of marks, because that's the other thing.

993
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:36.679
It won't be in the same spot. Okay, yeah, but

994
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.800
it's all good. They're taking care of business. Yeah, I

995
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.159
you know, like I said, I wasn't. I don't feel

996
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.239
I was scared, Yeah, by what it was it was.

997
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:47.079
I think I was just scared because it woke me

998
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.960
up and I could feel some something or somebody there.

999
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.320
Oh that makes sense. But you're good. It's cool to

1000
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:55.920
hear that it's you, because I've been doing this, you know,

1001
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.480
for the past two years, and this has just been

1002
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:01.920
getting big and bigger and bigger and bigger, and I'm like, wow,

1003
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.679
it's like they're tagging sharks. So I've been saying, yeah,

1004
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.000
let's see who's tagged. Who's who? Is this happening to

1005
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.400
do any of your listeners, you know, I would say,

1006
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.480
let me know over we got a TikTok Savannah Psychics.

1007
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.159
I would love just send me a message or drop

1008
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:24.159
me a line, or on our Instagram whatever. Just I'd

1009
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.199
love to see get a number how many people that

1010
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:31.400
are listening are experiencing that, because that's fascinating.

1011
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.400
Yeah, So I encourage anybody to reach out to Brian

1012
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:40.079
or if you want to shoot Paratruth message, I can

1013
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:44.159
get it to Brian as well. But with that being said,

1014
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.280
we are close to the end of the show, so

1015
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.440
I want to give you the chance to tell everybody

1016
01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:51.960
where they can find you get readings, all that good stuff.

1017
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:53.960
The Mike's all yours, oh.

1018
01:00:53.840 --> 01:01:00.679
Oneerful well, Savannah Psychics. That's uh, that's one of our businesses,

1019
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:05.840
Mystic Apothecary, which is our shop here on Broughton Street.

1020
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:11.039
Ah and uh, basically, uh yeah, I'm I'm a big

1021
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.760
fan of TikTok. It's easy, it's video. I like video.

1022
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:15.559
I just make a quick video and share it and

1023
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.519
get it out there and it sends it to my

1024
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:19.920
Instagram and sends it to my Facebook. So they're all

1025
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:23.639
Savannah Psychics. That would be the one I would say

1026
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.679
to follow now if you want. If you're into herbs

1027
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:35.400
and oils and teactures, oxymels, healing, sav uh THERI am

1028
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:41.079
I think I lovet We first started a little bit. Yeah, okay,

1029
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:45.920
I'll just say that left mystic Apothecary dot com. Uh,

1030
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.559
if you want to shop, we got our shop online,

1031
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.360
so it's very cool. Mostly just follow us on Savannah

1032
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.880
Psychics dot com. That would be great. Uh where if

1033
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:58.719
I actually interact with you guys?

1034
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.760
And is it all right?

1035
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:02.519
All right?

1036
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:04.159
Well, I'm gonna put you on limbo for just a

1037
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.039
second so I can close out, But hang on for

1038
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:13.039
me and U it alright? All right? Folks? Yeah, check

1039
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:17.840
out Savannah Psychics. I highly encourage you guys to check

1040
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.159
them out. I've seen them blowing up over the past

1041
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.199
few years and it's amazing to see the work that

1042
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:27.239
they're doing. Make sure that you like, share, subscribe no

1043
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:32.079
matter where you listen or watch. And again, this has

1044
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:35.320
been a pre record for show for one hundred one

1045
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.400
seven point seven FM New Orleans and United Public Radio Network.

1046
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.039
Check out all the great shows that are on there.

1047
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:47.039
It's amazing to see like minded people come together. But

1048
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:49.920
until next week, folks, where you will say, find us

1049
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:54.039
the same time, same channel. My name is justin catch

1050
01:02:54.039 --> 01:03:03.119
you guys later, Why when you
Brian and Jen Byers Profile Photo
Brian and Jen Byers

Author/Psychic/Content Creators

Brian and Jen Byers are nationally recognized psychic mediums and co-owners of Savannah Psychics, Mystic Apothecary, and Savannah Ghost Tours. Based in Savannah, Georgia, they’ve been voted Best Psychics three years in a row and are known for their powerful mediumship, compelling storytelling, and deep connection to the spirit world. Featured on AMC’s You Are Here with Colman Domingo, Brian and Jen conduct séances, spiritual readings, and paranormal investigations that bridge the gap between history and the supernatural. Together, they bring heart, humor, and a grounded authenticity to every spiritual encounter.

Brian has a new book coming out soon about the spirits that haunt Savannah.