Seers of Savannah w/Bryan Byers

0:03 Welcome, Well go well do Para Truth Truth. How's it going, Paratruthers. Welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn. This is a pre record show on one of seven zero point seven FM, New Orleans and United Public Radio Network.

0:46 My name is Justin. Eric is gone. He is on set and on a horror film, so I'm super excited for that for him. But tonight I'm going to be bringing on Brian Buyers Uh. Brian and are national recognized psychic mediums and co owners of Savannah Psychics, Mystic Apothecary and Savannah Georgia. I'm sorry, Savannah Goes Tours. Based in Savannah, Georgia, They've been voted best Psychics three years in a row and are known for their powerful mediumship, compelling storytelling, and deep connection to the spirit world. Featured on AMC's You Are Here with Coleman Domingo, Brian and Jen conduct seances, spiritual readings, and paranormal investigations that bridge the gap between history and the supernatural. Together, they bring heart, humor, and a grounded authenticity to every spiritual encounter. Unfortunately, Jen was not able to make it on, so I'm gonna be just talking to Brian, and Brian is a very dear friend, so I'm looking forward to the conversation. I'm going to bring Brian in the conversation right now. Brian, Welcome to Pair Truth Reborn. How's it going, man.

2:00 It's going fantastic. Justin good to see you and yeah, well I feel like welcome back almost but it's done a long How are you awesome? We are doing so well with the re marketing on Paratruth we got with uprn and our numbers have been the highest we've ever had. So I'm super fantastic and enjoying doing this all over again, because, as you know, if you're doing a podcast about the paranormal, it can kind of get redundant at times and boring. So you're right, You're right. It's funny. Things have changed over the past twenty years, haven't they.

2:44 Absolutely? Yeah, And it's mind boggling to realize that, you know, Eric and I started this in two thousand and eight, so we've been doing this, yeah, almost twenty years now. It's get insane. Yeah, well, I'm proud of you. So you got my everything. I'm excited about this all over again and getting people on such as yourself, like you you know that, Like I love doing this, and we've been through the Ringers together doing this, so. We have been It's funny, we have been through the Ringers a lot of interesting stories there that probably you know, no one wants to hear, but unless they're drinking with us, and then yeah, that would be great.

3:37 Right, that's an after hours you know, off the video. Totally. Yeah. So you and Jen have been killing it in Savannah and I love that. Over the past couple of years, you guys have been voted best psychics in Savannah and I. Were five years now, yeah, five or six years, I can't remember. That is nuts. Now, you have been a psychic for a very long time and you've kind of known. You've had these guests from a very young age, right.

4:18 That's correct, absolutely, I think probably around four, you know, and Gen's very much so the same way. We're both you know kids, We just you know, we know what spirit is around. It gets a little weird, you know, Like when we first met, I was not I was talking about it a little, but not a lot the whole. And this, you know, this is twenty years ago. I didn't want to be that. I was I had a different image. We had our podcast, you know, Goastology back then, back in the day. We were crushing it then, and the idea was, you know that we weren't, you know, or I wasn't gifted with the whole idea, you know, And but I was. And I even would experiment on some episodes. We would be, well, let me see if I can talk in. One person in particular that came through was Jeffrey Gould. I will never forget that, his dad.

5:20 And it was just like, wow, it's the most insane thing to have happened. And that's when I realized I can really do this, but do I want to do it? I was a little scared of it. So I like being the the paranormal guy, but not the psychic paranormal guy, you know. So yeah, well, and when I first started pursuing it, I mean, I was the same way, and I still kind of am because I'm not at the height that you guys are. I can feel when people are around. I can sometimes eat your spirit don't know what they're saying. Sometimes I can read people's thoughts without realizing that I'm doing it. But it is kind of scary if you think about it. To talk to something that other people can't see.

6:11 It is, I agree with the age with that. Yeah, it took me. You know, I've always been comfortable with it because there is something that I would never tell anyone, and you know, up until just recently when Jen's like, we need to just tell people. I always surrounded myself with rabbits and no one really knew why. I never really talked about it. I just sort of let it be this very weird thing that I liked. But my my spirit guide I've I've always called rabbit and you know, named him when I was young. So the whole you know, the whole thing was he's not a rabbit, you know.

6:53 And I found out later, you know, I asked him, why do I call you rabbit? You know, and he's he's letting me know. I wasn't saying rabbit. I was saying RABBI mind blown there a little bit took me back and going, wow. He was saying, I'm your teacher, I'm your guide, you know. But as a kid, you hear rabbits, so that's all I was saying, And so it stuck. It took me a while to let that one out of the bag. Everyone's like, why do you sharing yourself with rabbits? Where are you always drawing rabbits? And now you know, I just like them. But eventually I just said, look, you know, I feel like I am connected with with a rabbit spirit. And that was the best way I described to it, even back in our day, back a long time ago. So but it takes a while to fall into it, to trust what you're doing, you know, and go, you know, first off, is this good? Or am I crazy? I've done about maybe twenty or thirty thousand readings on the past couple of years. That's a lot if you really look at the numbers, and what's wild is making future predictions for people.

8:02 And it's just I can't tell you how it works. I don't understand. I just know I can say it and then it's there and it happens. And if it was just once, I would call that like coincidence or a fluke. But twenty or thirty thousand times and you go, I guess it's I am really able to do it. I just don't think about it when I'm doing it. I really just I don't focus on what I'm doing. I just let my mouth run like right now. So, but for you it would be about confidence about going. I just I'm going to say all this stuff even if it doesn't make any sense, and it'll make sense, you know. I think we can all do it.

8:47 I think that's part of the fear though, is even in today's day and age, being a psychic medium is still highly skepticized. And I mean I encourage people to be skeptic about it, especially at all psychic mediums, because not all of them really truly are what they say they are. I agree, Oh, I totally agree with that. I've I like to go get readings with people and I've only had a few people I've had readings with where I go, well, they nailed it, you know. And I can tell you you know, Rick Hayes one of my number ones. He's amazing, very good at what he does. Scotty Rock, I know a lot of people know him. And Tiffany Johnson, holy cow, I was gonna bring her up, yeah, because I had one from her too. She's great. It's just like you go, well, you know, there are some people out there, but all the other people have had reading foots, which which are a lot like I'm like you're just you know, it's like they're going, you know, one day you're going to wake up. One day you're going to eat something. Yes, that's so true. You know, give me something we weird that I can look. I can put on my calendar, you know. So I like when people say August, this is happening. You go, Okay, that is great. You know.

10:12 Now for you and Gen, do you guys implement each other as a couple being both psychic mediums. So first let me say, I wish you was here. She's not feeling good. So I'm riding in a seat for both of us today. But we do compliment each other now. It's funny. Jen and I both spiritual walks. Mine has been very different than hers. Hers man has been pretty wild because she got into church late in life, and she got into spiritfulled churches where doing what we do isn't weird. So they're like, oh, you're not psychic, you're prosthetic, and so she's like, wow, this is cool.

10:58 So I can just tell people stuff and she was able to and it worked. It matched. She's had a lot of extra training more than me. She's studied underneath one of the most prolific palm readers here in New York. And so she's learned her her gift in palm, which isn't just looking at the lines here, it's interpreting them because it's going to be a lot. It's gonna be different for everybody, almost like when they use tarot cards. The terror cards don't mean the same thing for everybody. So it's not a formula. So when she does the palm, there's a lot of similar lines she can look at and she can say this, that and this, but she'll pick something up on that line that isn't there and say, oh my god, this And that's where she most blows people of minds with the palm reading. And then she's been to Lily Gale and trained there as a medium up in New York, and that's where the whole spiritual movement started. The spiritualist movement started with the Fox Sisters and the Edgar Casey and all that happened up there.

12:07 So but she's just been doing She does a lot of a lot of learning and stuff to enhance her abilities. So we do compliment each other when we do a reading. For when we're tag team a reader, I'm mostly doing it my way here. Uh. And then but she'll start it and it's fun because she'll start it. She'll start with her palm and as she's talking, if I need to jump in, I'll jump in and go. And this is going to happen because of that, and so it's kind of fun to see us working in tandem. We're even thinking about offering that as a style. Okay, her it's a cult aage for back. That was crazy, all right.

12:54 So yeah, so Jim's been taking you know, classes, palm reading classes. She's been up to Lily Day, which is where the whole spiritualism started spirit Spiritual Movement with Edgar Casey and the Fox Sister. So she's like the salt, I'm like the pepper. So you're asking if we were like salt and pepper. We really are. We're different, but we're the same. What's really cool is we've had someone get a reading with her and then get a reading with me, with us talking to each other, we have separate reading rooms and it's the same reading. So the woman was just mind blown. She's like, you guys are both on par and I love that We've had that happen a couple of times. But we tag team. I think tag teaming is fun.

13:38 Oh yeah, And so now have you had skeptics come in and you guys, you get different readings from you guys, and they're just like, you guys are frauds or no. I'll be honest. Every person that's come in here, we never asked for reviews. So we have a series of really great reviews. I've had maybe two things that didn't happen exactly as I said they were going to happen. Maybe three, because there's a new one. It's not that it didn't happen, it's just the guy was in a car accident and didn't make it to the concert where he was going to meet her. Oh but he met her six weeks later in a cast at the same place and and everything matched. She was like, this is the guy he was talking about. He was in a car accident on that night and didn't make it to see the band that was playing. So it happens. The world does its own thing, So there's free will. But I've had many people come up, especially in a couple's reading.

14:38 Normally it's the guy that goes, yeah, I'm just going to do this for my wife, you know, and then they're bawling. At the end of the reading. You're like and. They're like, I don't know how you did it. I don't get how you do this, but you're good and I love that. So my favorite people are the skeptics. If they don't they don't, you know, I say, just give it a shot, you know, give it a shot. It's always fun, especially if you have a good psychic, a real good reader, someone that is in tune with people. I think that's the problem. There's a lot of people that can read Taro and say that they're psychic and they're not, you know. I mean, terror was sort of a formula. That's why I don't use it the right way.

15:22 I use it my way and it works better. And Jin's the same way. She doesn't use it the right way. Sometimes this card needs one thing, sometimes it means something else. But what it does is it gives a visual roadmap to the person that's getting a reading. She always tells people when they sign up with me, Oh, he doesn't need cards, you know, you can just sit there with him and you'll just unrapple it for you. So, but yeah, we get a lot of people that aren't skeptical. We've had people that have had a reading down the street and then they come here right after going I didn't like my reading, I want to try you, and then they leave going this is what I was looking for.

16:02 So I feel like, you know, if you're a good reader, you're going to give a good reading, even if someone's closed off a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you get that sometimes. But yeah, now, being in Savannah, it's reportedly one of the most haunted places in the world. Let me just say I'm clarify. It's the most ponded city in the world. There we go. That's friends podcasts. If I just want to plug it, the most ponded city in the world, it's the Savannah podcast So. Okay, Yeah, I've seen you post about it. Yeah I have. I've been out of the listening podcast scene for so long it's hard to choose what to listen to.

16:48 Oh, I hear you, I hear you. Now, have you ever had any like killing encounters or memorable ones? I've been in Savannah for a very long time. Yes, even before I met you. I was started in Savannah, so I was here way before you know, everyone came to Savannah doing this whole thing. So there weren't ghost tours when I was here in the eighties. But I've had my louder experiences in the eighties. So I've had so many very wild things happen, but on a psychic level, even back then, I was able to try and discern was this a human spirit or was it a non human spiritual being? You know, And so yeah, some really wild things happened in front of people and they were like, you know, well, we're not drinking. That really just happened, and it's it has been pretty mind blowing. Recently, I was up in the old distillery here in Savannah and they let me go up there, and I've got videos on the news, and the people that run the tour, the Savanna Ghost towards the trolley, they use my clip from that news thing all the milk it, so everyone knows the guy with the hat and the beard. So I'm sitting in this room and I feel this energy come up in front of me, and I'm like, I

18:19 can see you're right when I say that, there's a chair behind me. This sly, it just moves sideways, but it's pitch black, so I hear it. I just don't know what happened. I'm like that sound awhile When I turned back around, my chair moved forward, and so they were moving. They were showing their strengths as a spiritual being, what they were capable of. They could move things thinking it would scare me, and then I let them let them. Now that doesn't bother me. You know, it really showed me something, you know that very Zach Bagan's you know, show me something and I'll react. But they never touched me. They I've never had anything touch me or harm me. So I have a hard time when people go, oh, I was bitten, I was scratched. I'm like, maybe, you know, I still have a hard time with that concept because I've not seen anyone really do that, at least I've never experienced it. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I just have a harder time understanding why why why why didn't that one show off and touch me instead it moved things around, you know, right. But there's a lot of that in Samama. There's a lot of weird things that even in our building upstairs right now, in this room, I have one spirit right over here hanging out. He's been up here since we moved here four years ago.

19:36 Oh he goes by Moses. I know who he is. I know his entire story. Now, we've had seances here where he's come through. But he likes when they do stuff. He just hangs out and listens. So I think he's a little nosy, you know, wants to see what's going on. Yeah, he's like, oh, I want to hear your your your dirt. And so when I'm doing readings and this this is my reading room, yeah, he'll he'll pop in and I'm like, dude, I see you, Roses. I know you're here, man, but we're not talking to you right now. So it's funny. He just knows I said that, like he just reacted. It's just very funny. So Savannah's got a lot of that now.

20:21 A lot of people have a negative connotation when it comes to seances. For those out there that are not educated about what seances are or how they work, can you tell us a little bit about how you guys do seances. Sure, our focus is the raised the devil so that we can take over the world. Oh sorry, that's a horrible job. That's awful. The word seance is a French word. It means to sit for an extended period of time. So seance means to sit for a long time. And so what we do is we sit and we we open up the room. We're not trying to connect with you know, uh, dark spiritual beings where we're not doing any of that. What we're asking is, is there anyone that would like to talk with us? And we're willing to listen. And so what we're doing is we are allowing spirits that have crossed over to come in and participate.

21:28 For them, it's like uh therapy. Uh. They got a lot on their mind, a lot of stuff they haven't had a chance to talk to with people here, especially when it's loved ones, because we get a lot of loved ones that come in. But what we do is we sit, we close off the room so that there is no uh, we're not looking for any dark energy you know, we want We're looking for people we like, people that are nice, that want to talk, that are not We've had we've had a few moments where we've had to shut the sailans down and start over or just leave it. We leapt at once because it was just too much. But the way it operates Jen and I sit next to each other and we have everyone in the room kind of focus on someone that they'd like to come through. It doesn't mean that that person will come through, but there's a higher chance, I've noticed.

22:19 And during that time, we try to discern each spirit that does come into the room because they know that you're doing this and they're like, well, we want to participate. And people don't change, so when we cross, we don't become ethereal and enlightened. I mean we do a little bit. I call it rehab. We go through kind of a rehab. I think God's got it set up so you've got to deal with all your garbage first for you tube step over right. But like we just we did a seance, uh six months ago or or whatever. It was a really good one. Like we were the people that were sitting there. We were getting names, very reached, hard to know names. One guy's name was Texas Oklahoma. I said it in that order and they were like, that's our grandfather.

23:10 I'm like, that's who's here then, and they're like, I mean that's his name. That was his name. He can't make that up. It's just that what he said. Exus Oklahoma, and then we got interrupted by a spirit that rushed in really hard with a lot of energy. And I was doing automatic writing. That's where you hold the pencil lightly and you just let the spirits move it and try and write with it. It's fascinating. There's two styles of that. There's one where people write what they're hearing. You know. I don't do that one. I do the one because that would be easy at A lot of people wouldn't enjoy that, you know, I could do that all day long. I might as well just say it.

23:53 But when you're letting the pencil just lightly go back and forth, back and forth, and then you feel it move and it makes a shit eight and that shape is a letter or you know, and that that becomes a word. It really is prolific. And the feeling of that, by the way, when you're doing that, and I like to try I like to have everyone try it. It's it's this icy electric shooping, like touching a battery or something. You know, you can feel it in your hands, so they're actually trying to hold your hand and do something at the same time. But this guy rushed in and he just started scribbling. All this crazy passed up and I just remember I didn't understand and I don't remember the word. Now we have the papers. We gave it over to the Savannah Paranormal Museum. I think we did.

24:44 You might have done that, but it was the word that came through was as the night O. J. Simpson died or the day O. J. Simpson died, and it was his first name. I figure what it is. It starts with an oh, it's really a weird name. And the person I take die is Ojay Simpson. Why is he coming through? He's not dead? And I'm like, I don't know. That's what the guy wrote. So we started talking to him. We asked him what you know? What what do you see? And he says nothing darkness. So he's writing nothing darkness, So all you saw was darkness and we were like, why are we getting someone calling themselves? And it's something like orphanol I can't remember. And then he wrote a number and we thought, well, maybe that's his his jersey number. We'll go and we'll look it up after the sounds. So after the seance was over and we closed it out, we looked up all the information and we found out the news they had had died we were like, holy crap. So he died on that same day and then wrote all this stuff and it wasn't his jersey number that was his his birthday.

25:52 So no, it was the last two digits of his Uh. I don't forget what it was. But we were like, it's just too much weirdness. So when we went on TikTok and we were I follow a bunch of other mediums and they were posting the same thing. OJ came through and said he can't see and I'm like, that's what I got. That's what we all got. We were all getting the same thing. It was a really wild Uh. TikTok makes it easy to see in real time what everyone else's gil or. Yeah, so we it was wild. That's very cool. I mean a lot of really cool medium friends on TikTok that night because we were like showing off our automatic writing and they were mind blown by that and they were showing us there. Uh, they were doing their portal you know recordings ASTs method you know where you try and be a medium and hear it come through the spirit box and it is wild.

26:46 So that's to us the seances and't talking to evil spirits when I'm trying to talk to the devil, you know, that's the lit look. I got eight kids. That's the last thing I want to choose. I don't want to want to deal with the juvel. You know. I had a long day of readings. I'm ready to go home and have some some verbict you know. So, but yeah, anyone that and there are people that do try to open up the portals the doors, and you can do it, okay, so it is possible, but why you know, right, it's dangerous, man. And that's why this whole doll thing. I'm like, we're very good friends with the people at the Savannah Paranormal Museum and they keep getting new items and it's just crazy what's going on over there. And we go over there and we have a great time. We love Megan and Chris so much and Justin they're just great people.

27:40 But they're getting some pretty active stuff and we're helping them protect protect it so it leak on to someone Else's just awful. So this whole doll thing that they're going on, that's a whole other volume. I know. I could talk for hours, but. Yeah, well I'm glad you bring it up because a friend of mine had just reached out yesterday about it, and I hadn't heard anything about it. And I don't know why, but I thought Zach Baggins was the one that had Annabelle. But maybe I'm just getting the memories mixed up. Uh. And that's that stayed in the whole Warren family, the nephews, youner Johnny at one point had he was Haunted Collector on his TV show. Annabel has definitely made its travels around. But yeah, no even even traveled with with with Ryan uh mister Buell for a little bit there.

28:36 But yeah, I was doing the uh the tour and and Dan's just a really sweet guy, like awesome person. You know. It sucks, the really good sucks. And so everyone, you know, they're getting all excited about this whole you know, annabel did this and all, and I'm like, look, you know, let them grieve. You know, it's like it's someone's dad, this is someone's husband, and you know, there's a lot going on. The last thing we want to talk about is that, as as wild as it is and as coincidental as it might it might be, I don't think it's what people think. And yeah, you know, I've actually been near the animal, though I haven't had any adverse reactions to it. I didn't feel anything. Robert the doll has a whole other ball game. That doll is off the chain man there's but it's it's not that energy.

29:34 It's just that thing's alive. It's like a real being, a person. So I don't know what has happened with Robert as wild, but yeah, I just tell everyone to pray for Dan. Dan's family here and his wife and his kids and in close family and people that he worked with. He loved what he did, so. Yeah, I mean, if he died doing what he loved, that that's all you can ask for, right. No, the guy was very happy, very happy person, always helping people, you know what I mean, like almost like a therapist, encouraging people and stuff. You know, he's got one of those spirits so when you meet him, you're just like, oh, man, you know, I would be surprised.

30:21 If I did the seance, he would probably pop through, you know, do his rounds. He might do that tonight. Who knows. I have no idea. I haven't heard or felt anything so but I haven't even been looking. I've been too busy. Yeah. Now do you feel drained or just bogged down after a day of work doing this. I'll be very honest, yes, I at first know, okay, because it's it's exciting in the very beginning when you're when you're you know, this is like twenty years ago, fifteen years ago delivering readings. You get all excited and you're like, and I could remember all my readings, you know, I would do like ten or eleven in a day, and I would be excited. I could remember them all, you know, and here I am, you know, way years later.

31:20 I did maybe seventeen today. That's a lot, it is. I might remember one because it was a medium reading and we didn't get the person that we wanted to come through, and so it's sort of a disappointment there. I was like, God, I really want this person to have who they're looking for, but you can't conjure people. But that's the only reason why I remember that reading. It was a mom and a daughter and I'm like, we're going to get this person. Well it just didn't happen. And so you know, that's the that's the problem with the medium reading. You know, you can't really I can't guarantee anything right there, you're dealing with the other side.

32:02 It's really it's like a paranormal investigation. You know. You can go to the uh Wayverally Hill Sanatorium every night in a row, but three of them are acted and the other four it's quiet. Yeah, you know, so you can't really guarantee anything well. And I think that's where the the reality ghost hunting shows have made people think, oh, you're always gonna find activity, and it's not the case. So for those that want to pursue doing like paranormal investigations, what's the best piece of advice you could give them?

32:44 So that's a really good question. In the beginning, I always was about protecting myself, and I did it differently than a lot of people. A lot of people use like you know, smudging and stuff like that just help you feel like you're being protected. So it puts you in that frame of mind. So I say protection in any location, and it's not because something's going to attach itself to you. It's that you're dealing with a lot on the other side. There's not just human spirits. Okay, So we got all these names for them. When we call them all sorts of things. You know, you know you got Poulter guys, you guys shadow people. You go down the list, Oh, this one is intelligent, and you know this one is residual. But then you're dealing with the majority over there are going to be human spirits.

33:40 And then you get it like twenty or thirty percent that are other types of spiritual beings. And when I say that, they're different than we are, and they're not necessarily pleasant, and they like to mess with you on purpose and the ideas they're trying to get into your head here a little bit, and they can bring you down from the inside. And so protection is key here. To walk in with confidence and to know if things start to feel a little heavy for you, walk out. You know, too many people pass out. Christopher Moon's mom, we were doing an investigation. She passed up foaming in the room and right there in that little kitchen area.

34:27 I will never forget it, man, I wasn't there quick enough to catch her. But yeah, when you start to feel it and it's not feeling well, you got the idea is to walk out. So protect yourself with whatever means, whatever belief structure you have, the idea you go in there with your mindset saying it can't touch me. I am not going to let anything mess with my mind or my heart. And when that instance does happen, and I've had one very strong instance that was more of a possession a possession, I'll just say that you walk out, and I walked out because there's no way I'm going to go up against that. When there's somebody, a human being that has something inside knowing way more about you than you need, very weird details that hurt your feelings, like holy crap, you walk out. So there's been moments I've walked out of just an energetic building before and God, I can't do this, you know, it's just it doesn't feel right. One of them was I believe a serial killer the home and then we got one here in Savannah.

35:40 I won't even bring it up because there's a family living there. We don't want them to have people coming back chicks of their house. But they've got a very prolific problem, and I know they know it now they've figured it out. You can't really get rid of it. They've had people try to exercise the house before in the past. They can't get rid of it. So but yeah, protect yourself. The whole other thing is you know, and the other thing i'd say about, you know, getting involved in paranormal investigations, you don't have to be part of a team, you know. I know, it's nice and it's structured and it's organized, and there's ground rules and all this neat stuff that a team brings. But if you're just getting started, you know, I'll say, you know, hang out with different teams. I learn the style that people do, but you don't have to do it in a team.

36:30 It's good to do it in a group of people, but you don't have to join a club or anything like that, or a society. Really you want to just you want to learn what works best for you. Some people don't like to do certain things, some people like to do others. I'm a big fan of bringing the spiritual people in, the psychics, the mediums that see we're all getting the same thing, you know, and we always have one person that is the protector, so they're same prayers over us while we're doing our thing, you know. So it's kind of a cool concept. Better works, it's beautiful. Yeah. The one thing I do remember from doing investigations is we went into a bowling alley they call it Ghost Alliot's in Cleveland, Ohio, and the group, there's a couple of groups there, and the group that we were doing it with had had a medium already go through before we got there. I got there some that I was feeling and it was They're like, holy crap, you said the exact same thing the other psychic said. So it was validation for me that I knew what it was.

37:47 I knew what I was talking about. And that's the other thing you just mentioned, a really good point. Have a medium go through first and say there's activity here, there's that kiby here, there's that cibty here. Didn't you guys go in and do your thing. Yeah, And that's what I used to do for the TV shows, So they would have me go through certain locations alone and tell the camera man where to put all the cameras. So that a great thing to do also when investigating. Oh yeah, but you got to have a good medium. You gotta have someone like you or someone that's empathic that can feel you know. Mm hm. Now, if there was one thing that you could pinpoint about miss about psychics and paranormals or the paranormal world that you would love to debunk. What would it be?

38:42 Oh, and then I would love to debunk like it like a certain topic or a certain thing or a certain because because I'll tell you, I would love to and I can. It's a reverse I think of what you're asking. But I would love to be proven wrong because the longest time I have said, probably since we've known each other, which is a long time, that I don't think you'll ever get a photographic proof of a ghost or a spirit. You're not going to get that. And here's my explanation, and I'd love to be proven wrong. Okay, Yeah, here's the light spectrum. So basically, we live in a world where our eyes see reflected light. Right, here's the spectrum our eyes only see as much. Right, So we add UV to it. So now we've got UV, and we've had a couple of other you know, IR and a couple of other spectrums, that there's still this giant, vast array of light that is here that we don't even know how to see it yet. We don't know how to calibrate our lenses, our dire frams. And I think if there are spirits moving around, they have a form.

39:57 If they can move something, if they can touch you, which happens a lot, then they have a form, even if it's for a moment. They manifest for a moment and then they aren't here. You know. I don't know how that works. But they must reflect light. But we have to know what material they're made out of it, and we don't know what material it is, so we don't know what light to be looking at. So I've said for a long time, you're never going to get it on camera, not an actual spirit. And I know there's a lot of great photographs out there, and I love them. One of my favorites, you know, it's the Amityville photograph of the boy's face and who he might be in the story. All adds up, it really does.

40:41 I just don't know. We have one in Savannah, a lot like in a photo, a lot like that, and I just go, I just don't know if that's really a spirit because it's being captured in regular light. Now I want to be proven wrong, you know. And I'm a big fan. I used to have people email me back during the whole ghostology days, email me all your photos and I'll go through it and I'll try and debunk it. I love that, but I yet to see one where I go that is real. I just don't know if we're ever gonna get it until you can figure out what light we're working with. No, I mean that's that's a good answer, because that's a very good point and something that we're still seeing today where people want to believe, so they're making mundane photographic anomalies seem like it's you're capturing a ghost. Like one example is Eric had sent me a picture of somebody had posted in a group and it was a full bodied woman. The only problem was like her one leg was missing because I think she was like moving way too fast and it was getting a little dark.

42:05 But people wanted to say, oh, look, you know, I caught a spirit, and I'm like, no. Like, I know, it's hard, isn't it? Because you want it? You know? Really, we got a there was a hospital up in and near the Waiverly Actually they knocked it all down a long time ago, called the Paris and the Parents Hospital. We we got to go through before they knocked you down, and we got this amusing ir We got this amazing uh child's face in the middle of this big open area like a giant mess hall or kitchen, you know, at the hospital, and you could see it. It was just clear day. That is a face that is amazing. And when we saw it we were out in the parking lot. We ran back in to recreate it, put the camera back where while and it just to a few seconds of messing around when we got that face back and I'm like, there it is, and we started noticing. I had the people go over and look at it and were and when they finally walked over, it was the tile on the wall and the way it was warped and reflecting it was the most precise, anatomically correct paradolia I think I've ever caught.

43:20 And I was so damn disappointed because I'm like, we got one. We got this right finally, you know, right, But yeah, the mind and heart wants it so bad. Audio, man, Audio, I'm gonna you know, I'm bringing on my phone here. Audio is amazing. I don't know how that works, but I'll be doing readings and people record the readings that tell them record the audio, and then they go home and they're listening to it and they hear their father's voice come through, so they clip those out, you know, and send them and me go, look this my dad, And I'm like, that's wild because I don't know how that works, the whole EVP slash disembodied voice concepts, because you don't hear them in the room, not vocally. And so I'm telling them your dad saying this, and when I say it, it repeats the word, you know, so the father said, you know, whatever it was, and it just that's kind of a wild thing. So audio is another ballgame. I think. I think we're able to think they're able to manipulate or make that work somehow, and don't.

44:26 I don't get that. And even the spear boxes sometimes really work out amazing, Like, yeah, I know it's a broken radio and the whole story, you know. But I but but when when we look at it, there's some things that shouldn't be happening, and they just do. And is it just a lot of coincidence or paradolia to the ear, I don't know. But when it corroborates and matches what I'm saying. So that's why I like having equipment nearby while I'm doing a reading or whatever, and it both happens. I say, there's someone in the room and three k two meters light up your own bright that's wild. I can't tell you if that's legit or not, but it seems to happen a lot, so it's pretty, uh, pretty fantastic. You know.

45:14 Well, you brought up Chris Moon, and I think one of the most fascinating things to me is is the Telephone to the Dead that he was using for a very long time. I know that he had kind of stepped away from it for a while just because he wanted to do more psychic readings himself over using the piece of equipment. But we went myself and a former girlfriend of mine went to your event and he was there and she was blown away that it sounded just like her uncle. And that is amazing. He's still there, are you for that person? That is amazing. So Frank Sumption, the designer of the of the of the Telephone to the Dead or Frank's Box, Chris had a great relationship with him, and there's a long story of how he even got involved.

46:11 Really wild because Chris didn't want to be part of that. He didn't know what it was stepping into until the box started calling his name and wanting to talk to him and he was like what so, so Frank made him like seventeen or eighteen different versions of the box And yeah, you know, he just had a fire like a year or two ago and he lost almost all of his boxes. He's got a few that were out on loan at the time, so that's all he's got now. So they're gone, like the original and whatever Frank did on the inside, I have no idea what he did to make the mark. Yeah, it's sad, but those things are are. I've got one in a pilot we shot with Chris that has a little TV screen. We got an image come through. That image is the same image of the painting of the woman that's on the wall. Ah.

47:05 It was very mind blowing. Like I'm just like, you just can't make that up, you know, right. But yeah, Chris is great. Yeah, and he's been doing a lot of psychic work without the boxes. Yeah, you know, we're thinking of having an event having everyone just calm down to Savannah. I mean, let's let's get the old band back together, can yeah, get the old school fault? Well, funny you should say that because I had done a podcast with a friend of mine. He does a show called my first car, and I brought up you know, I've been doing this since two thousand and eight, and he's like, oh, you're one of the ogs of podcasting and I'm like, I get.

47:53 Are you really are? It's funny I've said that to the people before. Yeah, I started my I think it was two thousand then sticks or something when we started our first podcast, and I'm like, that's. When podcasting kind of became a thing. So yeah, yeah, and they're like, wow, well what happened. We got picked up on terrestrial radio for CBS, so they're like, how did you do that? I don't remember. They just liked it. So that was insane man those days because they didn't have content and so that was the problem. And now lots of content you know now kind of oversaturated. But it's way oversaturated. Yeah, but you know, with the same thing with United Public Radio Network. We were able to submit to our manager and she's like, yeah, absolutely.

48:47 So now we're not on two, but three radio networks because I work on a radio station myself, so I brought my show to it. So yeah, it's amazing, and you know, it does so much, you know, not just credibility, but it brings that audience. People that didn't know you were even around. Now they're able to listen. And I know Jen and I are wanting to do a podcast. We've been doing toying with that, as you know, so one day we might do some weird stuff. I don't know. Well, the one thing I know about you is you can always make it happen. So you will. It's just just like everything else, it never comes at the time that we wanted to come, asked to come in its own due time.

49:37 Huh, you're You're one hundred on that. And like I said earlier today, this is my fifth lifetime that I'm in. I've done everything I've ever wanted. I've done all the stuff that people said. You know what it is. People say I can't do something, and I'll do it, and it's Uh. I was told you can't make a TV show, Well I have many told you can't, you can't get on trestro radio or a podcast, and we did. I was told you can't make money doing animation, and so I did a little. So I think I'm done. Check Lee's now. I think I'm just going to sit here and be a psychic, and I don't mind doing that. Now, but a long time ago, I don't think I would have ever done that. I was too busy making video games, making TV shows, children's books and all that stuff, and still working on the kids books. I just wrote another one.

50:34 I've got one called I Think We Got Ghosts. This one is going to be the the I already wrote it. I'm going to start the illustrations soon. It's the Cryptozoology version. So yeah, it's called The Corner of My Eye. So we've got I Think We've Got Ghosts in the Corner of My the same kid as in both of them. So it's kind of cute because we talked about, you know, cryptis. I find it fascinating that you do our writing and you're an amazing writer on top of that just fictional and well you've done scripts as well. It's it's just fascinates me. Well, I do have another book coming out, so it's an edit mode right now. Steven Radford is genius author is editing my book for me, and it's called In Their Own Words and it's the true story of the Samana Spirit. So I went to every spot that is a location on all the ghost tours, and I actually spend time connecting with the spirits, So it's kind of fun that it's not my words now, it's their words, so I'm interpreting for them. And we got a lot of weird stories out of that, so that would be available soon. But yeah, you're a good world You're a great writer, man. So going to say, you know, I think it takes the type of people that can actually have the discipline to write a book to maintain and hold a very successful podcast because.

52:04 It's the same type of thing storytelling. Yeah, and you got to edit this later and you know, get all the garbage out or whatever if you need to, And that's allowed a lot of work that goes here and making sure it runs smoothly. So oh yeah, yeah, And that's why I'm super thankful I was able to get the job that I have now because it's way much more up my alley than working for the Post Office, which was what I was doing before. You It's one of those things where it's like you think you are doing something to better your life and turns out it wasn't fulfilling. And I mean as much as I tried to make it fulfilling. So getting people to do shows and help them start podcasts.

52:56 It's it's a dream come true for me for sure. I'm excited for you. Now. If you could give one message from the other side to listeners, and I was going to ask you this even without chet GPT bringing it up, what would it be? He wouldn't do without chat GPT bring me that's awesome podcast. I've been on the Mention's good old chat. So I will tell you this. I want to share this. You know, we might as well just go for it. There's a lot of weird happening around this right now, Okay, And I'm gonna word it like this because this is coming from the other side. These are the messages, including Rabbit, who has been guiding me through this whole process, and Jen.

53:49 It might seem like things are getting weird. We are. We have already entered a new war, a war we've never done before. It's not going to feel like a war to start with. It will be one. So just watch how this goes. It gets a little weird. But what I need to say is, even though things seem like they're out of control, even though finances get a little weird here and we're a little nervous about spending money or about about living and politics. Here, you're going to see the Constitution getting rewritten. This is already in play. You're going to see churches having to revamp their styles of teaching because in twenty twenty seven, everything's going to change like this is a very big, weird change, and there will be more spiritual people experiencing very weird things, and so they'll be changing their belief systems. But the overall picture is as crazy and as weird as this might feel like. It's getting we hit twenty twenty seven. Here, everything is gold, everything is great. This is nothing to worry about. Live your life. I don't get wrapped up in the politics. Watch the politics. You got to pay attention to it. I'm treating it like a bubble. You got to watch what's happening from the outside. If you're in it and you're involved, you're missing everything. You have to look at it from far away and go, wow, this is so not me, you know. So there's a huge thing happening in the US that our constitution gets changed.

55:23 There's another country where there their bylaws are getting changed as well. It's important that I say it like that because it's going to get really weird. But everything works out very good. We just got to get through twenty twenty six and we got to hit most of twenty twenty seven. But that's where all the weird stuff. And I want to say this out loud, because I know you've got a lot of viewers. I want to say it. If you wake up in the middle of the night and you feel like there was someone just in your room, or if you saw someone in your room for a brief moment that you know you were purposely waken up, if someone actually believe woke you up on purpose with intention, you're probably going to go through a very spiritual change.

56:09 And that means you're going to start to see weird things, things that you didn't think were real. And I'm not talking about Joe's and I'm just going to talk about spiritual beings, things that might look like something out of a sci fi movie. I don't want you to get freaked out. Just understand everything makes sense and it's going to be okay. But I know there's a lot of you guys that have been coming in. We've been having people from DC come in and get readings. Government folk with weird badges, asking weird questions. They know what's happening, So there's a lot going on. Just know, nothing to be scared of. Just like when angels show up in the Bible, the first thing they say is fear not they say, don't be scared. That's what my message is.

56:51 Don't be scared. It looks a little scary, you know, everything from war to politics, just everything, even our religious leaders and stuff. It's all about to change a little bit so or a lot of bit, but it's gonna be changing for the best. Or everything's fine. That's what I gotta say, because it's been coming up so much now in my readings. It's just so much instead of be able to get it out there and just know, Yeah, things are gonna get really weird. Don't be scared. It's okay. Oh not get really weird. They've been weird quite some time. Wait wait until twenty twenty six, and then will talk about what's weird. This is off the chain.

57:37 Man, Oh I've been doing it, so I totally get where you're coming from. And it's funny you bring up the being woken up in the middle of the night thing, because it happened to me almost a year ago now where it felt like I was being woken up by something I felt like. You know, when I did wake up, there was this presence there that I couldn't see, and I was fearful. But I don't know if I was fearful because of what it was or because it woke me up of a dead sleep. But then I had these two marks in the webbing of my thumb, and it kind of freaked me out a little bit.

58:20 Don't be freaked out. That makes so much sense. You have no idea to find marks. I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did. You've been tagged, my brother, So that just means you're going to experience something here in the next two years, when we hit twenty twenty seven. It will alter a lot of things that you wondered about. It'll answer a lot of questions. And the fact that you kept saying it woke me up, it is a very good word to use right now until we're for fully sure. So I'm just gonna say you're it's like tagging a shark. You've been tagged, so they're paying attention to you. Well. And the thing is is after that, I mean, it's kind of changed. But for quite some time, I wasn't feeling the pains I was feeling normally. My anxiety had gone away, and some of that has kind of all come back. But I if I seriously felt that I was touched by something.

59:21 So yeah, well they will visit you again, and you will have the same relief again, and you may have a different set of marks, because that's the other thing. It won't be in the same spot. Okay, yeah, but it's all good. They're taking care of business. Yeah, I you know, like I said, I wasn't. I don't feel I was scared, Yeah, by what it was it was. I think I was just scared because it woke me up and I could feel some something or somebody there. Oh that makes sense. But you're good. It's cool to hear that it's you, because I've been doing this, you know, for the past two years, and this has just been getting big and bigger and bigger and bigger, and I'm like, wow, it's like they're tagging sharks. So I've been saying, yeah, let's see who's tagged. Who's who? Is this happening to do any of your listeners, you know, I would say, let me know over we got a TikTok Savannah Psychics.

1:00:16 I would love just send me a message or drop me a line, or on our Instagram whatever. Just I'd love to see get a number how many people that are listening are experiencing that, because that's fascinating. Yeah, So I encourage anybody to reach out to Brian or if you want to shoot Paratruth message, I can get it to Brian as well. But with that being said, we are close to the end of the show, so I want to give you the chance to tell everybody where they can find you get readings, all that good stuff. The Mike's all yours, oh. Oneerful well, Savannah Psychics. That's uh, that's one of our businesses, Mystic Apothecary, which is our shop here on Broughton Street.

1:01:06 Ah and uh, basically, uh yeah, I'm I'm a big fan of TikTok. It's easy, it's video. I like video. I just make a quick video and share it and get it out there and it sends it to my Instagram and sends it to my Facebook. So they're all Savannah Psychics. That would be the one I would say to follow now if you want. If you're into herbs and oils and teactures, oxymels, healing, sav uh THERI am I think I lovet We first started a little bit. Yeah, okay, I'll just say that left mystic Apothecary dot com. Uh, if you want to shop, we got our shop online, so it's very cool. Mostly just follow us on Savannah Psychics dot com. That would be great. Uh where if I actually interact with you guys?

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