Shamanism and Your Shadow w/Granddaughter Crow

0:03 Welcome. Wel go well do Parry Truth. How's the going, Paratruthers. Welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth Reborn. This is a pre recorded show on one of seven point seven FM New Orleans and United Public Radio Network. My name is Justin and I am running so today Eric had a job come up, so I'm just gonna get right into it. Tonight we are talking to Granddaughter Crow. She is a medicine woman, public speaker, teacher and two reader, and author of Wisdom of the Natural World. She is also the author of her new book, Shamanism and Your Shadow, which we are going to be talking to her about. She's descended from a long line of spiritual leaders. She is an EmPATH, medium and member of the Navajo Nation. She was voted Woman of the Year in twenty fifteen by the National Association of Professional Women.

1:26 For more, visit Granddaughter Crow dot com and without further ado, I'm going to pull her in for the conversation. Welcome to Paratruth Reeborn. How's it going, Oh, Justin, thank you so much. I've been looking forward to being a Paratruther. Well, I appreciate that you not only wanted to be on the show, but got caught up on some of what we do. Absolutely, I absolutely love it and I'm looking forward to However, our conversation. I'm an open book as I have written them, so. Right, all right, Well, first and foremost we usually ask everybody this, how did you get into this? And what made you write Shamanism, Shamanism and your Shadow.

2:16 Yeah, that's a that's a great question. Getting into this, I would say I was born and raised by spiritual leaders, always been uh as a child, I was always you know, in the paranormal and things like that. And then I left and I ran and I didn't do it, and I closed my third eye if you can, and I tried and and then I came back about twenty years ago. So what led me to write this book? Well, if you follow me, you kind of know, oh, granddaughter Crow, she's a shaman. She likes to talk about death in terms of oh, they're transitioning, just like you know, butterflies go through trans transition. So I'm a very light touch to a lot of these topics. And then the pandemic hit and reality struck where people were sheltering in place, people were social distancing, people were not distracted by going to the restaurant, going to wherever you go to, and they had to stay home. And I think that in that time of solitude, individuals actually started hearing their shadow, hearing themselves a little bit more, which led me to go, oh, we need a shadow book. I'm going to stop being

3:49 a little nice granddaughter Crow, and I'm gonna throw down. I'm going to talk about the hard stuff, the dark knight of the soul, the shadow and get people to do this type of work through introducing them to it, not in necessarily a spooky psychology way. You have an evil side, this is called your shadow quote unquote, but from an organic shamanistic side, which is more natural world. Everything has a shadow, even your most favorite tree, if you have a favorite tree as a shadow, and so I make it a lot more organic. So yeah, it's a little darker than what I'm used to being. But honestly, my husband just said, oh, they need to see this side of granddaughter Crow. Here we go.

4:40 Well that's awesome that he's super supportive of it, for sure. So those that are unfamiliar with shamanism and even more so shadow work, can you explain to us what shamanism is, and then in turn what shadow work is and how those two kind of combine. Absolutely so shamanism and I do lay this out in the book Shamanism and Your Shadow Definitions of Shamanism and going into that because shamanism tends to be a very blanket term, just like karate is a blanket term with martial arts, or at least it used to be. And when I was growing up, it's like, oh, I'm in karate, Oh what kind? Oh taekwondo or juditch, but everybody knows that, you know, it's it's they're talking to martial arts. So shamanism is almost like this catch all of this idea that the one person in an indigenous tribe this is where it began, is going to be the intermediary between the unseen world and the seen world on behalf of their you know, tribe. And sometimes the unseen world is well, it's the spiritual world, but it really is complemented with a lot of organic natural world. So there's a lot of different shamans globally. There's neo shamans people reading about

6:13 shamanism and connecting with it and their spirit on the internet. So that would be neo shamanism traditional shaman being raised in a traditional culture in order to support people. But other than that, there's a lot of differences. But for me, it really when I state shamanism, it is a spiritual path that works with the natural world. Most practitioners are individual It's not like you go to a coven or a church or or something like that. You do individual solo practitioners, and you basically work on behalf of the unseen world for the group, the community, the people. And so I am Navajo, I am indigenous, I'm half Navajo full you know, I've got my UH Certificate of Indian blood, and so shamanism really flows through my blood. As far as that goes. However, I would say that I am not fully traditional, but I'm a little neo. But I am also like representing the natural world and helping people to see the wisdom of the natural world, which is another book that I have written. So that's shamanism. Shadow

7:46 work what is it? Carl Jung coined the phrase shadow self, and so when we go into looking at the shadow, I'm not just a woo ooo. I can understand the unseen online word natural world, but I'm also a scientist, you know. And so when I talk about the shadow, I start out and really kind of unpack it as defined by psychology as well as you know, especially leaning on Carl Jung even his conversations a little bit with uh Freud and the ID and the super ego and the ego, and then kind of go into a little kneeche I throw a little nieche in there where everything needs a little niche in there, you know, kind of questioning morality and what is what is morality in terms of is our is our shadow our shamed spot because it wasn't in the moral or the morality of the social construct that we grew up in. And now maybe it's we need to understand that it's okay to be a left handed artist, because that was a sin when I was young. That was the moral code of you know, the people when I was young is no left handed.

9:17 So it really is kind of this idea of there are things within yourself that may have been shamed due to a quote unquote moral or morality code based on the social group that you were raised in, that have hidden themselves into your shadow side, and now they are really creative aspects of authenticity that may need to come out. So how would I define shadow personally parts of yourself that are hidden, most likely due to external shame.

10:01 Okay, well, it's it's interesting that you bring up the the ego and all of the psyche stuff, because I had opened myself up to mediumship, oh gosh, probably about the time we started podcasting two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, and even to this day. Even though a lot of people tell me that I'm a natural medium, I just kind of had to work at it a little bit at first. I never know, like, what what is my ego or my my inner thoughts compared to what I'm getting to spirit? Do you do you struggle with that as well with your work.

10:44 I know that what you are saying is one correct, and I think that anybody who doesn't have that awareness or consciousness, they're struggling with it outside of their own awareness. Because the ego, the super ego. How do I handle it? So what I do is before I do a podcast, I did it before I did this podcast, Before I do a read or a speaking engagement. However, I literally make an agreement with whatever it is that you identify as the divine and what I say, I'd love to just share with you what I say. I say, welcome, Welcome, welcome, Welcome into this space, Welcome into this time. Defining it right, I draw a circle around this space and time. This is sacred space, This is sacred time. I declare it, which has a lot of power behind it. And then I say, I set my ego to the outside of this circle, so I could be a conduit for you and for the divine as it reveals itself to you and within you, may I be a clear conduit. So I recognize, and I've been doing that for twenty years, so I recognize that the ego, my ego is there.

12:18 I am gonna go, oh my god, you look like my best friend from kindergarten, and I'm gonna treat you like my best friend from kindergarten, when really you're not my best friend from kindergarten. And so we all have those projections. We all have the ego self. Trust me, I love the ego self. I make my ego my amigo, like I befriend it and to the extent that this is how I see it. My ego makes me take a shower and put on the odorant for you you know my ego. You know, I mean to do these these things so that I am like prisent ble, but then it can get out of whack, just like a two year old or a four year old. Look at me, look at me. And it's kind of like, let's go ahead and set that to the outside so that we can actually talk. And I call it an agreement. Some would call it a prayer, but I call it an agreement because I understand the divine that it reveals itself to each of us in accordance with how we can understand it right, and that includes scientific So I'm making an agreement with the energy. And when I continue to do that, then I do that all the time for

13:51 the last twenty years. And so it's almost like when I do that, what it does to me individually is it aligns me and goes, Oh, let's get into that like meditative state. Let's get into that transstate. Let's get into this is the clue that I'm not going to be thinking about what's for dinner or anything. This is the clue or that you're my bez from kindergarten. This is my signal. It's almost like a hypnotic symbol. Or signal to me to go here, I am in this state.

14:32 So it's an agreement that I have been doing with the universe and I do it with myself and so I know, hey, look, this isn't about me, and so a lot of times, most of the time, I don't remember what happens, and I may hear about it later and I'm like, oh man, that's so cool, you know, But really it's just me understanding that I have an ego and projection and me handling that prior to it being messy. But great question, justin yeah. Well, and thank you for sharing how you do it, because I felt the power just from you saying it.

15:17 So that's something I just need to practice more. And I read through quite a bit of the book. I want to work through it all and start working with my shadow because it's something I have not worked on yet, is shadow work. So the one thing I wanted to ask you is, you know many people fear their shadow? Why shadow work essential for healing and transformation? Absolutely, So there's a couple of things I believe we were okay. So earlier I mentioned that the shadow is a hidden aspect of yourself due to shame, and I alluded to that the shame is coming from an external morality code, from the social people that you grew up with or around, and so I think it's really scary to work with the shadow because your inner child was taught taught Oh that's bad. I can't believe that you're writing with your left hand, or I can't believe that you're seeing ghosts. I can't believe that you said that you saw Uncle Earle. That's not what we do. And so the person gets shamed and a lot of their

16:48 gifts get hidden, and so it's very difficult. That's one of the stigmas around the shadow is you have to the first doorway that you got to walk through, you got to walk through it with courage because you've been so shamed. And I think that shame is external, and it's kind of like and then blame is internal, blame is internal. Shame doesn't matter. I'm so full of wonderful little things. Oh, at the end of the day, we start blaming ourselves. Oh well, I'm not psychic. Oh well I didn't see that, Uncle Earl. I didn't do that.

17:34 And so the first door that you walk through, you have to walk through it with a lot of courage because you were told all your life that you're going to meet a monster. Why is it so important? What? Okay? What okay? There are forces that would love to control the masses, and I'm not just like spiritual demonic forces. We can go there justin. But what I'm saying is like societal, governmental, religious, sect these things that need to control masses. And if the masses stop behaving like sheep and start becoming authentic and thinking for themselves, if these masses start revolting because you told them that your power, because they told you that your power was shameful, and then you start discovering it, that's why I think everybody should do it. I mean, not everything that you run into is going to be beautiful, but it is going to be authentic. It is going to be you. And the more shadow work you do, the less the dprogramming

19:06 of said entities, demonic or governmental or religious or whatever happens. Because now you're able to think for yourself. Now you're able to go, oh wait, I'm not the bad guy. I know myself. I can stand up for myself, and you don't automatically go into shame. I'm a sinner. I need to be saved by an external force. Now you go into Okay, I am human, I know who I am. Some of that is really painful. I've got a lot of gifts. This doesn't make sense, but I am me, and you can't control people who know that they are themselves the me.

19:52 Yeah. Well, I'm glad you bring that up because I wouldn't missed not to mention that. You know, Eric comes from a very Christian background. He was saved again, and you know when we first started podcasting, he went a very right wing route when he first came to faith, and now he has become a completely different person in his faith and in his understanding of things. He has done shadow work, he has done a lot of things that most traditional Christians call him out on, saying that you're you're not a Christian for doing this. So I'm super thankful that he's in that path because a lot of people would look at shadow work as a demonic practice or you're talking to demons because you're working through your shadow to work through trauma. So I super appreciate that you brought that up. So thank you so much for that something that a lot of people might not know about. This type of work is how to recognize when their shadow is influencing them their life choices, and how to go about working on that. So how do people identify when their shadow is influencing their their life?

21:20 I I absolutely love that question, and also thank you for you know, the compliment around talking about that, because I love you know, Christians, I love people, I love spiritual paths. But when the spiritual path tells you that you're not allowed to question, that is when I go, wait a second, Okay, So when do you know it's your shadow until you do shadow work? Yeah, don't because it's hidden. It's the by nature, by the actual word shadow, you don't know what you're doing. However, when you do work with your shadow, you're like, oh, I see what I'm doing, and it's very therapeutic. So let me give you an example around that, and I'm going to go just I'm just gonna lay it out. When I was seventeen years old, I was going to the grocery store picking up some food for myself, carrying them home, and I was walking home. The grocery store was probably half a mile away, and it was starting to get dark, and so I, you know, did a short cut through

22:52 the alley. Don't remember much except for a male voice coming up behind me, talent and something sharp in my lower back. And he said, you will do what I tell you, and you will not say a word. And I smelt like strong alcohol. Now I'm fine, you know, people drink alcohol. That's fine with me. Is but this was like very like I don't know, and and that's one of my memories of it. And I remember he was just not that much taller than me, so probably five foot eight, and he reeked and I remembered how big he was, and at that moment, my mind just kind of jew z it, you know, kind of doubt, you know. And I have just a fun fact. I have a whistle like I can whistle, not you know, just whistling like, but I have a whistle like you would do at a hockey game that nurses ears. It is so alarming that people would cover their ears. And I knew this about myself, and that was the first thing that popped into my head. It said, whistle, And I let out this screech that would have called bats like.

24:23 I whistled so loud, and all I remember is him losing his grip on me. I remember turning a little bit, seeing him on the ground holding his ears because I'm sure it shocked him, and running home. And that was what I believed to be the birth of one of my shadows. It was trauma. And there is an aspect and was for forty years, an aspect of me that if I had any sensation that a man came up to me from the same angle with the smell of alcohol, I would be the worst, the meanest person. You can fill in the witch blank. Then I was horrid, and I would wake up the next day and I'd be like, Wow, that was out of sorts. Maybe he wasn't really doing anything. Wow, what was that? And I finally, through shadow work, I realized that there's an aspect of me that I believe was born or I perceive as born in that moment.

25:45 Maybe the further down the road, I'll understand it differently. But in that moment, that was my protector. She saved my life, and she continues to do so if she thinks that I'm in harm. However, what happened was I wasn't in that kind of harm. For the next forty years or so, you know, we're just kind of, you know, rolling over it, and so what happens is, oh, now granddaughter Crow has a shadow who is a mean, mean person, and all you have to do is be a male and walk up to her left side with alcohol on your breath and she flips out. So when I realized finally that that was my shadow, I started talking to her and I told her, thank you, thank you, thank you for saving my life. But I'm safe now, I'm with a wonderful husband, and I don't need to do that anymore. That it's it was a very primal, reactionary thing, and so that's what I want to also encourage people to do shadow work, because you don't know. I mean, yeah, I was like, oh gosh, I'm so mean when this happens.

27:09 But I didn't understand myself. I didn't understand that what I was trying to do is protect myself. And once I understood that, it came to the four frontal cortex of my mind and I was like not the amigdala, like oh, fight, flight, freeze, and I was like, oh my goodness, these situations make my body feel afraid. So I'm going to be aware of that in the future. And now it's fine. Like I talked to my shadow, and she's just like, I got you just chrome. I'm glad that we were able to do this show because the more we talk, the more I'm starting to understand things that have been happening recently for me when me and me and my wife have a great relationship, but over the past few years we've had some roadbumps here and there, and something that happens to me if she says a certain thing or acts a certain way, I react in a very negative way and I'm trying to work through to not do that. So I feel doing some shadow work would be beneficial to me. But vice versa as well. She reacts to to how I'm reacting to her, or she'll react about something I'm not

28:40 doing or doing something in a way that she's not okay with. So I feel we would both benefit from this. Just from you telling me how shadow work can help, oh big time. And you know, justin the the beauty is, isn't it. I think that a lot of people have that, And as you go through your shadow work, I think that I know my shadow. She's trying to protect me. She's trying to keep me out of danger, and so she has very basic and I'm not saying I'm sorry shadow.

29:21 She's like, I'm not basic, but she's very She's in touch with my Amigdala, my fight flight freezer fawn. She's in touch with that. And my frontal cortex is gonna override, like I'm not in the backstreets, I'm not with this guy that's gonna rape or kill me, but my body still feels like that. So it's almost like an intermediary. And when you walk through the book Shamanism and your Shadow, I have some I offer some very one wonderful, wonderful tour guides and one of which that will come to you to help you understand where that came from. Why is this person reacting? Why am I reacting that much?

30:18 Because when you wake up in the morning, you're just like, yeah, that was an overreaction, oh gosh, yeah, but I can't believe how much energy came and it's like, yeah, you're a miggalow is triggered. And so when you walk with the Shamanism and the Shadow, an owl comes to help you meditatively understand why you are reacting the way that you are and tries to bring insight so that you give respect, honor, and gratitude for your shadow, because your shadow saw something that maybe out of space and time and maybe needs to get healed healed, but it was there.

31:12 And so I always think, you know, shadow, we're not talking about oh I'm going to kill this person, you know it, worry. It really is that very basic basis of the human existence. And so it would be really interesting after both you and your wife read this book, talk to the owl and the owl portion and start to begin to understand that what your wife said wasn't what you understood, but why you understood that way has validity. Okay, so the shadow sounds very much like a protector.

31:53 It's trying to protect you. It just doesn't know when to let go of that protection. Basically, yeah, I absolutely that's I believe that one. And I've been doing a shadow work for a very long time and then I never write a book that I'm not willing to do, and I wrote this book. So I've done some really deep shadow work. And let me just tell you, it's so empowering, because could you imagine the things that you have been ashamed of and in yourself actually have explanation and that it's not broken. You're not broken. You're maybe writing on an old app where it's perceiving things differently. But that's how I perceive the shadow in all of the work that I've done. Every time I talk to my shadow and she tells me the truth, she is very very I mean, I'm in love with my shadow, like she's my best friend now, and she is like dark and spooky and all of that, but she doesn't She's not like spooky because she wants to scare me or is some sort of a bad thing.

33:24 She actually is just like, oh, don't do that. You know, remember when you get into the situations like that. This, I mean, she's wise counsel. Okay, huh. Now, can you speak on the importance of nature or your ancestors or your spirit guides in this process of working through your shadow? Work? Absolutely on. The reason why I take this position as shamanism and your shadow is because of the shall I say, I don't know if it's propaganda or messaging or programming of never talk to your shadow, because it has so many gifts and so much wisdom. So basically I wanted to take away the stigma, the even religious stigma of the shadow is your devil side, The shadow is the devil that's sitting on one of your shoulders, right, you can't hear it and take all of that programming, app stigma, propaganda, whatever you want to call it away and bring it into this more organic understanding through these lenses of Wait, why am I afraid of my shadow? Everybody has one? Okay,

34:56 wait if I walk out until my back yard, my beautiful garden has a shadow, my beautiful tree has a shadow, my beautiful cat has a shadow. Wait, but they're not reacting the same way that my app, my program my propaganda has been activated. They just see the shadow as a part of Anything that comes into the light has a shadow. It is a part of it. Anything that the sun touches in the natural world has a shadow. It is organic. And when you kind of like, go, well, find granddaughter Crow, I'll take a night or two and put on those lenses and look through them and see what you're talking about, I am like, please do so, because you're not gonna see what I'm talking about. You're gonna see what you know, what you understand all of your natural world understanding. So basically bringing it into the natural world from a shamanistic point of view, the idea of everything has a shadow, takes a part of that stigma already away and could be done in couples or a book club or friend groups. And I literally will

36:29 if you if any of your listeners go, I've got a book club, We're going to do the shadow work. You email me www dot granddaughter crow dot com. I know we're going to go there and drop me an email. It's on my website, and just go, I'm in a book club. We've been reading your book. Could you do an hour zoom with us, free of charge, talking about what we found and how you're doing what you meant and we could ask you whatever questions. I'm there, I will do that because what I've already found is people feel so much more comfortable with themselves and it's not scary if you go through the natural world.

37:22 Now, what is one simple practice you can tell listeners to try today to begin exploring their shadow. Okay, so the first thing I'll say is, if you're listening and you got to this question, my belief tells me you're not just curious, but your shadow is actually calling you. It's calling you because it misses you and it wants to explain itself. It wants to connect with you. It's an aspect of you. And what could they do?

38:07 I would say something very light a candle and breathe inhale slowly, hold your breath. Exhale through your mouth, inhale through your nose. Hold your breath, exhale three times inhale, hold exhale, and remember that the light that you're looking at is casting a shadow. And shadow doesn't mean bad, shadow doesn't mean evil, shadow means hidden.

39:05 So looking through the book and kind of understanding how spiritualism and spirituality really works. A lot of people may not even realize this, but can ancestral trauma affect you and your shadow? And how do you work through that? Oh yeah, that's a great question. Yeah, so, oh yeah, So I talked to my shadow. I talked to my ancestors because I have I have an idea, a philosophy of my own thought that basically says that shadow work.

39:54 And it's actually a lot of people are looking into this, and I believe there's a lot of stud but I found myself in this mind frame of can shadow work be ancestral? And so then I kind of look at it, and then I looked at it like what caused my shadow to be? And my first answer is trauma. Did the Navajo nation go through trauma? Did my ancestors go through trauma? Why? Yes they did. It was called the Long Walk of the Navajo. It's just like the same time of the Trail of Tears with the Lakota. It was the US government trying to wipe out a nation, and so do I still hold that in my DNA one percent? And it's kind of beautiful because from that lens, yeah, I guess you could go, oh my god, there's so much work to do. But from another I know, right, but from another linz, it's like, but wait a second, maybe some of what I'm reacting to was ancestral. Maybe I still have the DNA that wants to run. I still have the DNA that doesn't trust this person or that person. I still have that DNA within me. But

41:26 because I was raised in the United States and I don't remember those and I haven't done the history, I don't know why I am reacting the way that I am. So yeah, it's ancestral trauma. I go into that a little bit in the book Ancestral Trauma, and I definitely the beauty around it for me is it's once again another indicator that we are all connected, that I am a part of something that is greater than myself, and that if I am the answered prayer to my Noveljo Ancestors, then why wouldn't I write a book about how other ancestral groups can heal because they need it too.

42:21 That's a super powerful point because I know that there is still horrible travesties happening to Native American people and it's not okay. I'm one of the people that no history over connecting with my ancestral trauma, but I totally get how as a people, the Native American culture can still be holding onto that because of their shadows, you know, holding onto that ancestral trauma, and not that it's not deserved against the American government, totally is, but it's one of those things that you have to break it to, you know, to work through.

43:07 It all, absolutely one hundred percent. And you know, the the whole thing is the answers are within you. But you were told to be afraid of it, all right, right, so don't be afraid pick up the book. I like, seriously, Shamanism in your shadow. If you're a Christian. It's not going to deter you like throw out what doesn't work for you. It's not like a religious text if you are a Buddhist, if you are Pagan, if you whatever. This compliments it and it literally is like I am shaman, and I am here to help you to discover yourself the aspects of yourself that you threw away or you hid because the moral compass of the group that you were raised in said this. And I'm not saying that they were right nor wrong. I'm not a judge. I am like, but wouldn't it be so much more scientific, intellectual, and better benefit to you if you understood why your

44:37 behavior is the way that it is when something minute happens, when you have a reaction because they use this word instead of that word, and understand where you are. So in short, justin like one of the things I I've done a lot of self work, shadow work, but I know my purpose here on earth, and my purpose is to inspire, encourage and empower you to be your authenticity, not to follow me, but to be yourself because I believe in a divine that created you to be that special authenticity, that special snow flake ry and nobody can be you. And if you can understand more of why you are you, even your sharp edges, even the shadow that you cast on the world, doesn't that make you more brilliant?

45:54 Everything you're saying superal stuff. So I'm so thankful that you were able to come on with me something that that psychology, any anything that you're doing. Yeah, it all evolves. So how does shadow work evolve? And is is it ever truly done? Are we ever done shadow working? I love that question? Are we ever done? Being in the light? Very good point. I mean, you're you're you're always walking both lines, So absolutely, I get it.

46:35 I know that was that was a short yapper for dramatic pause. I get you just but basically I haven't. I have not stopped doing shadow work, but it definitely is a joy for me to do. The first time I did it, I was like And the second time I did it, I was like, I'm cool, you know, I can myself. And then the third time I did it, I was like, oh gosh, now I understand you too. And then the fourth time I did it, I was like, whoa, I understand human nature. The fifth time I did it, I'm like, this is what we do. I understand intellect and intellect is light and shadow. Intellect has to do with what is known and what is not known. Digging into unknown brings more intellect. So I'm a very intellectual person.

47:37 I am very much a person who is like, let's put some light on that. And when you put some light on that, yeah, get another shadow. So what I would say is that over the course of time, it is so much more like I'm not afraid to do shadow work at this point, I'm actually embracing it. And I feel like my shadow is the aspect of myself that I protect because she knows me and knows when I am like in harm's way, and has protected me many times. And sometimes you know, what she has to say is out of date, and time is not in this space, is not in this time, and she is automatically taking things out on like almost as though she's got this play going and once she gets her cue, this is the role that she's going to play, and she's going to do this, and she's going to do that, and she's gonna devaluate you. But when I get to know her and go, why are you doing that, She's like, because I thought this and then she grows and I grow, like she's no longer in the shadow. She's just like like I protected you, and I'm like, thank you, and you don't have to have those reactions towards my husband

49:09 because that's over and I appreciate you. It's just like if you're a baby and you don't nobody's hearing you, you keep crying, but when somebody comes in and says, it's okay, you just got a burp, and you come back into this space and time. So it's kind of like your shadow will keep crying and barking at you until you give it. It's do respect. That's what I see. That's my position. And I know that there's a lot of truths on Para Truths and our parent Ruther, but yeah, that's that's one of my truths. It's like you, I get to help my shadows side because it's almost like she's lost outside of space some time, meaning that she is not appropriate within certain situations at certain times, but she doesn't care and she'll come out. So when I get to talk to her, get to know her, and I get to take care of her and heal her and thank her and respect her. She's not going to come out. At those times, she may poke her head and I will be like, oh my goodness, this is one of those times that I would have reacted. But I actually understand why I reacted the way that I did and know that you're not trying to cause distance between us. You're just trying to understand something like that.

50:37 You know. Okay, Now, can somebody use creativity to work through shadow work? Because I'm a writer, my wife's an artist, she's a potter. And then Eric, who wasn't able to join us, is also a writer and he does a lot of cinematography work. So can you use that as a way for shadow work? I would say that I could write a whole book on using creativity is the most effective towards shadow work. The reason why I say that is because I go back to the model of the brain, and you've got the left hemisphere, Oh sorry, the left hemisphere, which is logic, linear thinking. It understands English, we're speaking English. The right hemisphere creative. It understands dreams. It doesn't understand language. It doesn't understand space and time. It understands its own version of space and time because it understands dream is not linear.

51:52 It's nonlinear, and I think that the shadow, a lot of it exists in that right hemisphere or can be brought out in a place of comfort. So when I experienced my shadow being angry outside of space and time, my left hemisphere, my linear English speaking logical mind is like, I suck because I did it again? Did I eat right? Did I like not take my vitamins? Was I in the right headspace? I just snapped again. But my left, my right hemisphere, my creative side would go, oh, well, that's you know, wabi sabby. Wabi sabbi is basically an Asian term of the beauty of a crack in a pottery.

52:56 So I kind of threw that in four your wife, you know, just put the gold in there and it's more beautiful. So I think that for a creative person, shadow work is a lot easier. I really do. And I think that the more creative that you get with like even just drawing cartoons around what happened to granddaughter Crow in the alley when she was seventeen and what that looked like, then my mind would be able to go, oh, now I get it. Like, so I think that creativity actually is like I don't know the backstage passed to show to work. Okay, point that I just said it coined that.

53:45 We'll trademarket after the show. So I got two more questions for you. Got it? First? One is what dreams or symbols tend to surface when people are starting to begin deep shadow work. Ooh, well, gosh, I I would expect that it will. Oh gosh, I haven't thought about this. So I'll give you an answer, and then I'll think about it some more and then give you another answer. On the ethers, all right. You might dream about I wish I understood myself more. You may dream about being in a place that is unfamiliar. You may dream about it's got to be this connection. It's got to be a symbol or a dream of I lost a friend. I want to get to know my friend. My old friend is gone.

54:56 I want to know myself. I am having an ego death. I am struggling with who I am. There's a lot of I am questions because an aspect of I am, you are you is coming back to you, and so however your psyche translates I miss my friend, it will be there. I think that if the shadow is like drilled into you from maybe a dogma. You may have very spooky dreams of the devil trying to get you or something trying to take you, when really what's going on is information is trying to get there, and you know, it's kind of like you might get scared of something.

55:51 So if you approach it, if you approach it from a scientific way, like why is it thing so afraid? And why is it chasing me? And stop thinking like a little kid that it wants to destroy me, and go turn around and look at your monsters and go what so I don't I don't know. That's I'll respond right now. Well, yeah, I if you think of something and you email it to me, I'll make sure I put it out on the socials for a better answer. I love it all right. Last question, and it's the same thing we ask everybody where.

56:36 Can everybody find you? The book? The MIC's all yours. Oh thank you so much. If if you dug this and you want to know more about who I am and what I do, or if you have questions for me, all you got to do is Granddaughter Crow think, Granddaughter Crow and www dot granddaughter Crow dot com, YouTube, Granddaughter Crow Social, Granddaughter Crow. It's such an odd name that I'll be the one, and I really am. I really love to engage with people, so, like I said at the beginning of or Not, I'm probably in the middle of the show. If you do have a book club and you are Paratruther Paratruther, you can just email me d R. Joy Doctor Joy. Oh my god, I forgot I have a doctorate. Forgot about that. I actually a doctorate in leadership and all that. But Dr Joy at Granddaughtercrow dot com and just let me know. Hey, me and my partner have been going through your book. We've read it. We have some questions one hour free Zoom.

57:56 All you have to say is I'm a Paratruther or a book club. Well, I'll make sure to put that in our show notes as well so people can know to give us a shout out. I love it. Thank you so much for being on. I've learned so much and I'm planning on working through this book because I feel it's something that both me and my wife need to do and do together and separately. So I appreciate you being on. And you know, as soon as we have a link for you, we'll get it out. But I will let you go. Thank you so much, Justin, and thank you to everybody who's listening. Love.

58:38 Yeah, all right, you have a good night you too. All right, folks. That was granddaughter Crow, author of Shamanism and Your Shadow. Check it out. It's an amazing book and I'm looking forward to working through it. Next week Eric will be back and we'll be discussing Friday the thirteenth and all other types of different things that people are afraid of that maybe aren't necessarily things that should be. But until next week, make sure you like, share, subscribe wherever you listen. This again has been a pre recorded show on one oh seven point seven FM, New Orleans and the United Public Radio Network until next week, where you'll find us the same time, same channel. My name is Justin. Talk to you next time.