Nov. 5, 2025

The Green Man: Ancient Guardian of the Forest

The Green Man: Ancient Guardian of the Forest
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For centuries, his face has appeared in carvings, cathedrals, and the deepest parts of the forest. Who is the Green Man — and why does he keep showing up in our myths, dreams, and encounters with the unknown?

In this episode, Justin and Erik explore the mysterious origins of the Green Man, his connection to ancient nature spirits, and why some people still claim to encounter him today. Is he myth, guardian, or something much older?

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Welcome. Well, well do Para Truth Truth.

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What's up everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode

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of Paratruth re Born.

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My name is Eric, I'm justin.

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And uh, honestly, I never felt we would actually say

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we would go live again, Like I thought that was over.

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I thought we're done with that. I mean, the pre

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record is easier in a sense because we don't have

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to as you said off air, we don't have to

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worry about stumbling and stuff. That can all be out

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if we need to.

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But yeah, now you know I'm I'm good at stumbling

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over everything in life, not just words, relationships.

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We're both clover for everything. Oh goodness, well, and I

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guess you can go ahead and jump right into the

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show today. Thank you everybody for joining us.

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We're excited that this is our debut live episode here

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and today we are talking about an ancient guardian basically

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on this forest right. If you've been anywhere out in

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the world, scrolling the Internet or even flipping through the

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pages of a book, you've probably seen his face. It's

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been etched into stone, It's hidden among vines, peering out

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from ancient cathedrals or the bark of old Oaks, and

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I am talking about a character through folklore known as

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the Green Man.

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Now what's fascinating about this is he's a symbol of life, death,

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rebirth that has haunted our stories for centuries. I mean,

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it goes well beyond what we realize. I actually told

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Eric this when I was searching for the Green Man.

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Like Google, you have to clarify what you're saying when

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you say green Man, because apparently there's a lot of

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things that reference the Green Man.

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And it's not you know how many photos of dudes

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painted green popped up on Googoolg.

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I was like, what happening he pictures saying luckily nothing else, sir,

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all kinds of people painted green.

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It's like, okay, this is Google needs to be very specific.

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You think we would understand. But but I mean, what

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is he really Because we'll get into where what the

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images are of him and stuff like that. But is

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he a forgotten god, a spirit of nature, or something

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much older still watching us from the shadows of trees?

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Right? And so tonight we're going to dive into the myth,

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the mystery, and the paranormal encounters behind the Green Man himself.

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So let's start with the basics here. The green Man,

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if you've ever seen the images, is that leafy face

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you'll find carved into church walls, which is fascinating because

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this is those well before Christianity garden fountains or medieval manuscripts.

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But what's while is that the story goes back two

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thousand years ago, before the spark of Ristianity.

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Right, No, for sure, and in fact you can actually

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trace similar imagery back to incient Rome, and even more

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so way early to the Celts, which existed one thousand

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years prior to the Christian Faith. Now, the Celts themselves

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especially had a deep reverence for the forest, as they

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saw it as kind of a They basic this on

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nature as like a living and breathing force that just

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surrounded them, right, and so one could certainly believe that

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it would have led them to the worship of this

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green man. Now, the green Man is actually a modern

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term which was coined in nineteen thirty nine by Lady

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Julia Somerset, who's also known as Lady Ragrubb now which

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she actually came up with this name, which he used

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in an article published in a folk coret journal. Now

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prior to nineteen thirty nine, However, the green Men went

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by several other names, including the Foliate Head, the wood

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Woofs or Woding, and also Jack in the Green. But

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for simplification and ease, we're just going to keep calling

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him the green Man for the most part here on

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out there the rest of the episode.

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I mean, I prefer to call him the Jack and

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the Greener. I mean, look, I do that too, or

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a palatable name. Why you know, it's weird.

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That, like all these different vocals that we talked about

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over the years, Jack is in big Man that's always

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used over and over and over. Yeah. Nope, still some

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technical difficult piace his For some reason, his mic keeps

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getting not I think I can have to start looking

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into a new focus, right, perhaps.

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Can you hear me now?

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Ye? Here you now?

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Okay? I think it might be the mic. I might

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go back to my old mic. The but when we

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did the what is it about the name Jack? Episode,

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we never did Jack in the Green. No, So Ernie

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go upstairs now. The green Man seems to be a

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very symbolic image representing a cycle of life, the death

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of winter and the reworth of spring. Leaves sprouting from

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his mouth, finds wrapping around his face. It's like he's

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literally becoming the forest or coming out of the forest.

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And though his image can be found nearly everywhere today,

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he is traditionally associated with May Day, which is a

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traditional spring festival with ancient pagan ruds. It's now also

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a modern holiday celebrated International Workers Day as International Workers Day, which.

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I've actually never heard of International Workers' Day. I don't

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know what they celebrate. I know, as a worker, I've

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never been celebrated for anything here in the US. So

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if anyone has any like special memories of International Workers Day,

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please share. I'd like to know what you guys, what

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happens look like I'm with does now? You see what's

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really interesting though, is that when Christianity spread across Europe,

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they didn't just erase agree map, and typically when christian

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faith was growing, it rarely erased anything with other pagan cultures. Instead,

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in this case, it actually absorbed him. You see, suddenly

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these pagan nature spirits were showing up carved into church

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doorway and cath eagles, which raises a pretty big question, right,

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but why would a Christian church include a pagan symbol

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and its architecture. Now there's of course, a number of

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different beliefs. Some are maybe legit, some are just very creative. Well,

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when it came to the early Church, it was actually

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common practice for the Church to adopt certain pagan symbols

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and images in order to help make the transmission into

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Christianity easier. A good primary example of this is the

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legend of the Celtic Cross, which was believed to be

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designed by Saint Patrick. Some will say that it wasn't

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Saint Patrick, and there's a number of other names who

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are associated to the Celtic Cross, but for the majority,

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it is believed that Saint Patrick was the one who

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designed it. So we're going to just stick with that

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legend and story right now. But Patrick, who basically adopted

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the Irish pagan son symbol into the image of the cross,

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was in order to help the Irish transition from one

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belief into another. And if you don't know what I'm

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talking about, I mean, the Celtic Cross is pretty well known.

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It's just a cross with a circle in the center.

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Guarantee you've seen it probably multiple times throughout your week

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when you're traveling. It's on churches, it's you know, just

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number of jewelry and photos images, you can't miss it.

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So as for the green Man, it was also likely

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adopted as a symbol of life, death, rebirth, and even

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potentially nature, God's creation or a renewal of life through Christ. Now,

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despite this likely adaptation, there are still others who think

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this inclusion of the green Man was actually a quiet rebellion,

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a much older belief system that still lingered beneath the surface.

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And of course this gets into conspiracy, right, because is

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there a sect of Christianity worshiping the green Man secretly underground?

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And of course we don't know the answer to that.

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I'm sure there's plenty of people in various faiths worshiping

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other things. I mean, most of us have ideas in

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some way or another.

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Right, so I wouldn't doubt that. Well. I mean, and

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we've talked about this before, even recently, that not just Christianity,

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but other religions and mythos throughout history have absorbed the conquering,

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absorbed the other religions as a way to help. What's

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the word I'm looking for, I can't think of it,

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but basically, chin meld, bring together, meld the conquered into

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their religion to make it easier basically is all I'm

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going for. But yeah, I mean Christianity has done a

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lot of that with with pagan beliefs. The Christmas Tree,

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Halloween became all all hollows e. So yeah, you see

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that a lot in in a lot of cultures, Christianity

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is just the most recent. Basically. Now let's talk meaning,

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because the green Man isn't just some decorative face. He

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represents something powerful. He's Nature's consciousness, the reminder that we

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belong to Earth, not the other way around. Leaves come

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from his mouth, that's life spring from death. And there's

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that connection to the divine masculine too, which again you

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see that in Christianity. It's not in all religions. Christianity

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is one of the ones where you have that divine

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masculine he him God, the idea of a protector, a

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father figure tied to the wild, but also something untamed,

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something I don't know if you came across this, but

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I know this name from fiction be Aero King. I

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don't know this, Okay, So the Aero King is basically

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a fay or fairy, and they believe he's King of

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the fairies. It's very vague on that part. But that's

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kind of what it reminded me of when I started

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seeing the images of the Green manure. And the only

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reason it came up to my mind is because I'm

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listening to the Dress and Files on audiobooks, so and

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I love that set of books, and he is a

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prominent character in that. So that's why I brought it

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to the forefront for me.

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Yeah, for sure, you know, it always brings when I

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see the Green Man or you know, read a boy him,

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I always think of comic books because I'm pretty sure

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it's your swamp thing. No, yeah, he looks almost identical

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to some of the images of the green Man that

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we see on cathedral walls in above doorways. I have

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a Greenman door knocker that I use as a plaque

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in my library as well, which they're all like, all

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the various images of the green Man are pretty pretty similar.

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There's minor differences between some of them, but for the

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most part, it kind of looks a lot like swamp thing.

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And I don't know why the paranormal always makes you

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think of comic books. Maybe it's just because I'm a

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nerd and everything comes back to comics. But you are

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a nerd. I am a nerd. I know, aren't we

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watching the video you would see all the comic stuff

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behind me.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But you know the other thing though, is you know,

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the reminder that we belong to the earth, not the

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other way around. I think it's actually very interesting because

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you know, when you consider at least in my bake right,

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consider the Christian fanths, it's actually they go on hand

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in hand. We both be long to the earth while

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at the same time owning the earth. You know, we're

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like commanded to take care of the earth, to tend it,

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to keep it safe. But yet when we die, our

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dust returns to the earth. So you're a part of

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it and you come from but at the same time

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you're protecting it and carrying for it. I don't know,

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It's just like one of those things where it's like

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the earth is highly important, and I think a lot

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of people unfortunately nowadays. Of course, obviously there are some

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there's movements happening to try to clean the oceans, to

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take care of the lands, to stop deforcedisation, right to

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protect the animals and stuff. On top of just the

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trees or we need trees if we know all the trees,

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we might all suffocate and diet because there's no octagum

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in reviewes.

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I don't know, well, I mean this all goes back

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to when man was young. I mean, most religions came

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from worshiping nature, worshiping the sun and the moon, worshiping

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the ancestors, stuff like that.

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So well, so you know, when it goes to the

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green Man, as you'd already kind of mentioned, he is

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more or less both creation and destruction, right. He's basically

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he basically brings forth growth, but he also is a

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storm that carries it all down as well. He's basically

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the Yin and the yan, a simple balance, which again

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is probably why the Christian Church actually did adopt his

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aage into it, because it's very similar at least to

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a stent of what the Christian God is like, both

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the beginning, the end, the alpha, the omega. You know,

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we'll see that mentioned multile thigh STAPs, characters. We see

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the similarities throughout history among a number of different faiths,

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but some more so than others. Now, same thing with

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what I'm about to say here, maybe that he's.

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Not good, he's not evil, he's kind of bolth he's wild,

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nature embodied, and again going back to the Aero king,

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that's kind of the idea of him. He's the wild fate.

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He's not bound by summer or winter. He's independent of that.

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Now here's where things get really interesting modern encounters.

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Yeah, so there are people who have claimed to see

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or have some a green man at one time or another,

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or at least something like him. In fact, there is

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one story from England where hikers reported a figure watching

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them from the tree line. They actually described it as

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a tall man covered in moss with eyes that looked

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like amber light shining through leaves.

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Now I've heard similar accounts from the US too, usually

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deep in the woods in your old growth areas. Some

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describe them as an elemental others say fay or even

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forest guardian spirits. The question is, though, in these instances,

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is this paradolia mixed with a fear reaction to the

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forest or something else entirely. And that's something that I

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have thought about since we have been looking at this

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particular thing is paradolia. And we can say that about a.

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Lot of things in the paranormal. I mean, when you

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talk about like walking through the forest, how many times

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do you walk through the forest or your local parks,

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the woods, and you feel like there's something watching me, right,

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And yeah, you got birds watching me, you got other

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animals watching the little tiny bubs and insects.

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Right, like, don't step on me.

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I'm watching you, right.

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But it's typical a Disney movie.

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I'm just saying, a Bud's Life.

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Okay, you gotta watch it. They'll teach you everything you

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need to know.

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But typically when you're walking through the woods and we

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feel like the sneaker watching you, it's something that's a

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bit more primal in nature and feeling within yourself. Right,

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It's like there's something that's not right, something that isn't normal,

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that is watching me from somewhere beyond the trees. And

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it is that hype of feeling that I think a

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lot of these people get. In fact, they they actually

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use this description not only with the greed Man, but

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us with creatures like the dog man or even the Bigfoot,

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where there's this heightened sense of being watched and something

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was maybe tracking you. So you're always kind of on

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edge looking, you know, watching your back, like why am

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I so paranoid? And it's very possible it's because there

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is something or somebody watching you, maybe in a spiritual

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form even right well now, when it comes to the

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green Man, though, you know, like I said, described as

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a tall man covered in moss with eyes that looked

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like amp or light, people are saying that this might

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be an elemental of some sort, or a fee or

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even cost guardian spirit. This all, more or less sounds

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pretty similar to some other cryptids that people have also

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noted and often described with the same features. In fact,

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some of those cryptids are the Ohio Grassman, for one example,

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plus the Cedar bob Monster, the Honey islandists Want Monster,

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and of course the Bigfoot, which brings to question whether

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the green Man is actually a god of some sort

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or if he's just a cryptid the ancient people worshiped

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after civil encounters, and that's something I think translates to

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the whole cryptid diversity as well, because things like the

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Ohio grass Band, see the bog Bonster, Honey Island swat Monster, Bigfoot,

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even the green Man, they could all be one in

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the same creature, but based on local may be warshiped

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as one entity, may be viewed as as another. You know,

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people try to separate these creatures as being different beings altogether,

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at least different branches of the same being, right, but

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it's very possible one in the same empty or animal creature,

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whatever you want to call it.

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Now, what's wild is that these carvings aren't just random art.

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Some believe they're anchors, gateways that keep something ancient tied

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to the physical world. Some maybe every green Man carving

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isn't a symbol of him. It's a symbol for him,

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a way to invite or contain that energy, you know.

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I think that's why are the green Man's making such

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a comeback. You see his face everywhere now, tattoos, sculptures, festivals,

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you even see him like you mentioned the pop culture

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aspect with swamp thing, or even again, the arrow King

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is in pop culture because he's in a story. Right.

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Well, then we also go back to like this whole,

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especially when you consider where we are in the world today, right,

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A lot of people are getting a little frustrated with

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how things are being worn by the governments, even within religion,

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within religion, how things are being born, and so a

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lot of people, especially younger generations, are starting to step

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back and try to delve more into nature. They want

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to become more connected with it. They want to pursue

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nature and even you know, live and work within it.

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And that's where the green Man starts to really pop up.

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He's kind of like, you know, he's kind of like

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this beacon to people who want freedom, who want to

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get away from the mundane and the urban life and

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all the politics. It's a sense of freedom, right, And

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we talked about this a couple of weeks ago as well,

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where people are starting to kind of get into various

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practices which draw upon nature spirits and nature energies in

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order to reconnect with the Earth. On top of that, though,

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you know, just despite like those things and then also

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the actual encounters that people have had, there's also been

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paranormal encounters over the years as well. Now, again, I

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think this kind of relates to some of the other

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crypt you talk about, But apparently there have been a

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number of reports regarding sudden temperature drops, static in recordings,

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or even voice is saying leave in your stone faces

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or carvings of the green Man. Now again, this could

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all just kind of be played up and you know,

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be coincidence. But at the same time, we've also know

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plenty of people who've been out looking for Bigfoot and

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centered they had these static happing in their in their recordings,

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or temperature dropping or the the atmosphere shifting in some way.

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We of course see this in the spiritual realm, right

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whenever we're doing paranormal investigations and we're countering various spirits.

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It's very possible that this green Man, much Led, Bigfoot,

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much led, the ghost is very capable of manifesting itself

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in bulk a physical form, but also a spectral form.

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And that's why we tend to get these number of

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different uh X recordings on our various devices or even

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on their own bodies when we when we notice it.

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Well, and that I mean that really h delves into

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as well. Like we've talked about this with a lot

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of different creatures or entities that naming something and believing

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in it brings it to life or has an entity

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attached it to it or that image just look at

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slender Man. We've brought that up multiple times on the show. Yeah,

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it's one of those things where it could absolutely be

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an entity and of himself or it could be something

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different altogether.

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Well, yeah, for sure, and I by no means, and

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I guess this idea that you know, when people are

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thinking of or even pursuing this idea of the cream matter,

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they're taking photos of him or artwork, i should say,

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and posting it up on the boards or the walls

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or as the core on their home. That it isn't

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going to manifest some sort of entity in some way, right,

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And we see this so many times throughout history, and

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we've talked about this on the show a lot with

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the number of our friends. The collective mind is very powerful.

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It's very possible that this green Man has had disappeared

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over centuries of time, and now of a suddenly you

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reappear because there's a new spark it in its being

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right and in its existence. And the more the people

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kind of delp into it they learn about it, they

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want to whether it's worship or they're trying to using

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for some sort of energy practices, or simply is just

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a symbol of like this is nature, this is freedomless

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is peace? Right, there is that collective conscience that could

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potentially manifest some sort of entity, whether or not it's

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green Man that we could read about here online, or

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if it's something else entirely. You know, one will only

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one will only know until you know, we me know,

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you know, we'll see if we start getting phone calls about, hey,

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there's a green man in my closet and he keeps

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a knocking on the wood for some reason.

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Yes, we need him gone. Right. Well, I mean that

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goes back to that that case that you've talked about

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a couple of times of the woman who had the

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entity with the it was black but had red eyes,

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and you had a church group pray with you to

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try and get rid of it. And then I know

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this is going completely off topic, but I'm if I'm

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remembering right, you never really heard from her after that

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after she called you and said it's gone.

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Uh, she did call once after that, and it once

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it was gone. I mean that was just so the

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whole thing was so fascinating. But yeah, you know, it's

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like I talked to this woman alone, right, It's just

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on the phone.

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She gave me all this information, so I knew what this.

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Entity looked like according to her right standing at the

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top of her stairs. And so yeah, when I had

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this prayer group come together, a group of friends and

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my pastor at the time come together and start praying

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over this woman and the entity in her house. One

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of my buddies came to me, pulled me aside and said, dude,

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when we were praying, I just saw this thing as

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like black mass, screaming and had these bright red eyes,

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and you know, it was just freaking out and staring

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at me. I was like, dude, that's exactly what she

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described as black mass with the red eye standing at

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the top of the stairs, right. And so we're praying

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and it's screaming with this is effective. Something's happening. And

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then the next day to find out that she's suddenly

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feeling calm. She feels like the presence is gone.

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I didn't tell her.

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That we had completed the prayer. I didn't tell her

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that we're even going to do it. So the fact

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that it was gone all of a sudden showed not

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only the power of prayer, but showed that this empathy

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was indeed gone, at least for a time.

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Now, we know that the.

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Scripture that in some cases, when you cast a spirit

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out of a place or a person in a home,

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it can go around the earth looking for a new

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place to dwell and finding nothing, comes back to its

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original home, all spleted up clean, and then goes back in,

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taking with it seven more spirits, more strong than itself. Right,

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And this is the idea that when you cast a

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spirit out of something, it has to be replaced, that

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energy has to be replaced by something good and positive.

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But of course, of scripture, we're talking about God. We

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know plenty of people, of course, who have cast out

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dark energies and replaced it with light, right, white light

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and a good energy, and it has kept that darkness

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at bay. So with that said that going, I know,

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I tend to drag my stories on a lot. I'm

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a storyteller. That's what I do, like just talking until

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I don't and then I'm dead silent for hours on end.

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And people don't like that either. Until Justin's getting upset

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that you're talking to a guest multiple questions.

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Hey, hey, that's just good show ship and show business.

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Okay, you trying to get all the questions out of

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your mind before you forget them all.

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No, it's nice because like you know, they're all on topic.

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If we're like asking questions on one topic and I'll

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let you go and you change the topic, if I

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got to pull that back to another, it's like it

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doesn't make sense, why are we doing this? Just just

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keep going on the one topic, right, man, shouldn't even

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a heart attack at forty But but yeah, no, So

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after after that whole thing, you know, and she did

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say that like that entity was gone. It's about two

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weeks later she called it back, said that suddenly felt

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this energy is back again. Had a little confident with

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her and found out that her mom had moved back

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into her house all of a sudden after a few weeks.

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And I realized, based on that discussion that part of

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this energy she was feeling wasn't the spirit on the back,

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but that was anxiety toward her mother, who she did

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not have the relationship with. And at that point, it

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kind of shifts from oh, there's this spirit we need

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to get rid of, to oh, no, there's this there's

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this brokenness between you and her mom.

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That is me fixed.

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That is something that I personally do not have.

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The ability to do.

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But also don't have the means, But there are professionals

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out there who can't help, right, And so that's how

469
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I corrected her there And that has to happen. You know,

470
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.079
that happens in a lot of cases. You know a

471
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.079
lot of people think it's just spiritual. Everything is just

472
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.160
spiritual in the paranormal, but it's not a lot of

473
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.799
it is also mental. A lot of it is also

474
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.000
your relationship with the people you surround yourself with.

475
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:01.440
There is a lot that.

476
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.359
Goes into it. So when you're doing paranormal investigations, you know,

477
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.160
it's important to kind of check off everything. You know,

478
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:08.880
you want to be very well rounded because you go

479
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.400
in hunting that use that word viously looking for something.

480
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.599
Maybe he's that one and you don't find it, it

481
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.279
doesn't mean that something isn't happening, so you need to

482
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:21.519
find out what that thing is.

483
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:23.720
Okay, my story's done.

484
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.759
I feel satisfied that the story has made it full circle.

485
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:36.039
Well, Heidi, no problem about being late, totally cool. You're

486
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.599
always promoting our show, so we love that you do that,

487
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.759
and we're so happy that you're here in our chat

488
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:57.720
room as well. Now, something that is applying to the

489
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:02.839
Green Man as far as why he's showing up so much,

490
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:11.160
you know, is it because humanic humanity keeps straying too

491
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:18.480
far away from nature? Are are we so far from

492
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.400
our roots and not connecting with nature that we used

493
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:21.559
to do?

494
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:21.680
That?

495
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:26.640
He just keeps popping up in not just again, not

496
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:31.240
just in architecture, but people are seeing him him quote

497
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:37.759
unquote in trees, in bushes. The list goes on. There

498
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:48.000
is it something that he is an entity of some

499
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:53.680
kind of god, a ghost maybe, or something else entirely

500
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.440
like or again, is this a paradolia? Is this something

501
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:04.000
where we're trying to assign what we see to to

502
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:08.760
a human face or or anything. I mean, we do

503
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:09.960
it with clouds too.

504
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.320
Sure, Yeah, you know, I think if the agreement is real,

505
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.119
you know, I think he's more of a like an

506
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.639
arctical arctical artypical go with that word. Yeah, no, I didn't.

507
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.840
I haven't been in college in a while. Okay, I

508
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:29.840
don't know all my words. Uh. Basically, he has the

509
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:32.960
ability to take on many forms, and in this case,

510
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:37.400
he would be more of a spirit. We see him in, uh,

511
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.960
basically the the artistry of pan right, we see him in.

512
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.559
I think it's cern something like that, even in the

513
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.880
modern idea of Mother Nature's counterpart. And I think if

514
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.800
we are seeing him pretty regularly nowadays, or people are,

515
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.159
maybe there is kind of like a it's kind of

516
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.519
like a warning. It's kind of like this reminder like, hey, look,

517
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.239
you are destroying this planet. Right, there's deforestization. You are

518
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.280
killing the animals you're not supposed to be killing. You

519
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:11.960
are trashing the oceans and the rivers. You're basically destroying

520
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.360
the ozone that's going away supposed to be right, and

521
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.840
now it's kind of imbiting this, this this entity back

522
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.920
to kind of take claim and show people like, hey,

523
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.679
there is more to all the least things around, the

524
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.079
more to nature you think. Right, It's like for a

525
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.280
long time i'd go outside, I see, oh that tree

526
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.039
is a tree. Oh that pizza grass and the blade

527
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.159
of grass is the blade of grass.

528
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:37.320
Right, that water is just water.

529
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.239
But no, when you actually take the time to sit

530
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.320
in the middle of the woods or you know, I

531
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.239
let this when I'm near the ocean. I just sit

532
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.920
in the ocean and bob up and down. Right, when

533
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.880
you're bearing during it, biting it all in, you're absorbed

534
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.239
when you start to realize nature that seems to be

535
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.119
now living, right, the truths and all that stuff is

536
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.639
actually a living, breathing thing. It has a spirit that

537
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.199
hovers over it. It was created by God, and so

538
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.400
there is much more to these things than simply inadimate objects.

539
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.519
There is a butterfly effect when you start destroying things

540
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.320
and harming the planet. And you know, PI said, I

541
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.039
mentioned the animals why saying animals, Well, animals are very

542
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.840
important in terms of the ecological system that we have

543
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.559
in the world. Right, So we know here in the US,

544
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.239
wolves are constantly Ah so didn't getting you on this one,

545
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.639
And I'm gonna try not do though. But Trump is

546
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.239
very supportive of killing wolves and that is very very,

547
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.719
very very bad for the environment of the US because

548
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.280
wolves are a very key element to keeping.

549
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.280
The wild wild. Right.

550
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.719
In fact, there was a study conducted one wolver initially

551
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:01.480
re released back into yellow Sune after just putting several

552
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.280
wolves back in. Over the course of the year or two,

553
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.960
it completely changed the landscape of Yellowstone Park all because

554
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.039
of wolves that were added, because of things that were

555
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.920
eating you know, it was stopping plant eaters from killing

556
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.840
all the grass and eating all the leaves. It was

557
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.599
cutting down on a fish population of the rivers, and

558
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.599
so the rivers started to change course and the land

559
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.599
started shifting. There's this whole thing that happens, right, and

560
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.440
it's something I think would need to be very aware

561
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.000
of there is a butterfly effect. And I think in

562
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.840
part that is why we tend to see this possible

563
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.880
green men image. Start shelling up, because there's this warnings

564
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.320
that I'm saying, Hey, look remember what I am, Who

565
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.679
I am?

566
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:51.360
What this is? You need to be careful, Oh, I

567
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.320
says she things sees more of a nature spirit or

568
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:04.000
elemental mhm. She also didn't here are people actually having

569
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:09.280
encounters with them either, which typically I haven't until actually

570
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:16.679
digging into the the research too. Now what's fascinating is,

571
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.119
you know, we've brought up a couple of like swamp things.

572
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:27.519
We've brought up who did I say, Oh, well, the

573
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:35.039
Aero King Han. There are a couple other characters from

574
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:44.920
from pop we'll say pop culture because Shakespeare Puck from

575
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:50.119
a Midsomber Dream is kind of this embodiment of the

576
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:56.559
wild Band, the wild Fae, the kind of like Pan.

577
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:03.039
And then you also have mister uh, the tumless good

578
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:11.960
bye to say mister p the the Chronicles of Narnis asked, Uh, yeah,

579
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.079
if mister Miyagi is the green Man, I don't know

580
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:18.719
if the green Man does lax on wax off, if

581
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.800
he's a part of asia.

582
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.920
Ah, he might be if people are not gonna be

583
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.679
very nice in nature, who might start waxing on lacking off?

584
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.880
So many people just saying.

585
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.760
But that's the That's the thing about a lot of

586
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.079
the things we talked about in general, too, is is

587
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:41.000
this something that is just like you said, it's an archetype.

588
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:47.159
Is it something that is in the collective consciousness that

589
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.480
everybody thinks of this being. Maybe they don't call him

590
00:39:51.480 --> 00:40:00.159
the green Man, but tap into that so that you

591
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.039
can use him in a story or video game even

592
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.079
or movie. That's That's one of those things that I've

593
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.000
thought about since becoming a writer. Am I picking up

594
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:20.360
on something that's more than just that? No, one hundred percent,

595
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.400
you know? And there is also you know, there's always

596
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.320
that probability that this is the dream Man, is something

597
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.599
that was just created right a story and nothing more.

598
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.039
And we know he extends way back to a thousand

599
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.840
years at least a thousand years prior to the spark

600
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.719
of Christianity, right, and we're talking about the Celts. We

601
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.559
note that the Celts had worshiped this quote unquote green

602
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.679
Man for some time. We know that he was part

603
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:50.719
of their culture. But why you know, we don't have

604
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.960
that information. We don't know exactly how the Green Man began.

605
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.280
We don't know what his origin story is. We just

606
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.519
know that he was there. And then when Christianity swept

607
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.119
through the that started to adopt his image into the

608
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.960
various artwork of the cathedrals. And again, you know, I

609
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:10.360
think that goes back to this kind of similar supporting

610
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.119
role in some sense to who God is in the

611
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.119
Christian mean faith.

612
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.840
Right, he is this protector, he's this beginning and end.

613
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.760
He is I mean, I hate to use this word,

614
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.960
but you know, in a sense he is good and bad.

615
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.440
You know, he is one hundred percent good minded. There

616
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.760
is no bad in him, but he allows bad things

617
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:38.280
to happen for the greater purpose of humanity. But you know,

618
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.079
and with that said, I think bad things don't happen

619
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:43.320
without it is okay, And so I think they adopt this,

620
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.880
this particular image into the church as kind of like

621
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.599
here is a visual manifestation for those who at the

622
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.480
time were worshippers of the Greek man.

623
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:55.760
Come to our church.

624
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.880
No worship here, right, And yeah, let's face it, there's

625
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:03.719
a little bit of no stuff happening. There are like mind, control,

626
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.239
if you will, trying to twist people into you know, uh,

627
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:14.119
taking on the faith and understanding it. Uh. But that's

628
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.679
kind of how it is with people in general. You know,

629
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.079
nobody just flips their belief system like you know, with

630
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.719
a snap of the fingers. It takes time, it takes correcting,

631
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.599
it takes uh, you know, people explaining and help them

632
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.119
understand certain situations before they can put it. Okay, hold on,

633
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.599
maybe my way of painting as well, or maybe this

634
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.639
isn't right, or maybe this is right, and I need

635
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.800
to figure out why, you know, uh, and I think

636
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.639
in this in this case, it was the same way.

637
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.679
The Christian Church adopted this image in order to help

638
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:47.039
convert people and help them understand who God is. Slowly

639
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.320
but surely, because again we saw it where with Saint

640
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.800
Patrick and the Irish, and you see it time and

641
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.840
town again. We're out the world when wherever Christianity spread

642
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:01.159
it adopted various images, you know, the the the five

643
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.360
pointed star, often used in various pagan rituals and working.

644
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.480
The Christian Church a doubt that at one point as

645
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.639
the five Wounds of Christ, and they used that for

646
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.480
a while. There are a number of other symbols as well. Sorry,

647
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.360
I got my cat walking by. He's making his parents today.

648
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.920
I'm like, hey, Bud, you're in no wi.

649
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.880
Okay, you guys know how it is.

650
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:25.639
You can't just move a cat, you know, it's just

651
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:27.639
there and he does what he wants to do until

652
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:33.039
he's done. Gosh, anyway, go and through it. Yeah, I'll

653
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.360
let this go ahead. I want to try to course

654
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.639
him out of here down please, thank you.

655
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.119
So what is what is some of your final thoughts

656
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:54.840
on this? Is it something where humanity is calling back,

657
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.840
being called back to nature? Should we go back to nature?

658
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.039
Little bit more? What are your thoughts on that?

659
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.280
Well? I mean I think we actually should be going

660
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.239
back to nature. You know, it's something I do nearly

661
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:08.800
every weekend.

662
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:10.119
I go to the to the.

663
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:16.159
Park or to do the National Park over here in Cleveland.

664
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.519
I spend at least an hour thirty minutes top or

665
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.840
minimum right at least an hour there just absorbing nature

666
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.559
because there is something refreshing and revitalizing about it. I mean,

667
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.199
I think pretty much anybody can walk into a park

668
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.079
or walk next to a large body of water, lake

669
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.400
and ocean and suddenly feel different, right in a good way,

670
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.800
And it's because our bodies are naturally in tune, our

671
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.079
spirits are naturally in tune to that environment. It's where

672
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.599
we were supposed to be from the beginning. But nowadays,

673
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.559
myself included, we do this thing called dune scrolling right,

674
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.599
and we just like scroll and scroll and scroll. And

675
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.119
I will tell myself over and over and over again,

676
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:56.840
you're not going to doune scroll to night. And then

677
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.880
three hours later my phone's like, hey, we're at two

678
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.320
set battery. You've been on here for six hours, you know.

679
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.199
So I think it's very important that we need to

680
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.920
go outside and get away from the bones. So that,

681
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.320
let me say, go outside of me, be your phone

682
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.519
somewhere right, keep it indoors. I put mine in my

683
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.519
trunk when I go to the park sometimes just so

684
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:18.320
I don't have it on me.

685
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:19.039
Uh.

686
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.480
And so in that case, yeah, I think this is,

687
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.480
if nothing else, a call to come back. I'm back

688
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.440
to our origins, come back to the world in the

689
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.960
sense of Earth as goes to the world, in the

690
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.159
sense of this is what the modern world wants you

691
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.880
to do. All the phones, all the AI, all the computers,

692
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:43.039
it's getting ridiculous.

693
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:48.800
Yeah, I mean I agree one hundred percent of about

694
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.599
We need to have a at least some type of

695
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.840
connection to nature, even if that's like for me example,

696
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.039
I'll go out in the backyard, I'll put a fire

697
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:13.679
up and try to write m hm. And that, Like

698
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:18.000
Heidi mentioned, it's a grounding for a lot of people,

699
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:22.159
not everybody, But I think if people gave it a chance,

700
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:28.239
I mean you would, you would find that nature actually

701
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:33.360
has a calming effect on the human mind. Now about

702
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.400
the green, Now, what are your thoughts about? Is he

703
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.039
something an entity or is it just something that has

704
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:41.239
just been written about?

705
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.880
I mean, I think he has to be an entity,

706
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.519
you know, even if he was just written about. You know,

707
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.960
we talked about the collective mind, and I think that

708
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.079
when people believe in something written as much as they

709
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.960
do knowledge, just a story or of a person, then

710
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.480
that story can manifest itself, right, or that that entity

711
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.559
can manifest itself. So I do think that it is

712
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:10.559
a spirit of some sort. I don't think it's a god.

713
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.360
I don't think it's a god at all. I think

714
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.880
that he is some sort of forest spirit maybe if

715
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.280
he exists, and even if he isn't, I think he's

716
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:25.000
some sort of beacon to a better way and a

717
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.920
better understanding of our world and not the current one,

718
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.079
not the modern one. But like how did they back

719
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.480
step back and realize and remember who we are, who

720
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.719
he should be, and how we need could protect the

721
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.519
earth that we have there bonding before it's too right.

722
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.840
Well, but you brought this up earlier, like with talking

723
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.440
about what green man is or is he it linked

724
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.320
to like cryptid of some kind, and that people have

725
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:56.159
worshiped these creatures for years. So in a sense, he

726
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:57.920
could have been a god at one time.

727
00:47:58.480 --> 00:47:59.599
I mean he could have been.

728
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:00.440
Yeah.

729
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.880
I mean now we're talking about like how do you

730
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.559
define a god? Right, So that's a very different thing.

731
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.559
Anything could be a god.

732
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.480
This water bottle I drink out of this water bottle, well,

733
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.320
I guess this particular one for like the last forty

734
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.320
eight minutes, but another water bottle, if I were to

735
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.079
drink it religiously, you know, out of that one bottle

736
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:21.599
could become my god. Like I don't have this water

737
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.800
I do. Somebody who would freak out, they literally lose

738
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.760
their mind if they didn't have that water bottle. They

739
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:30.159
had so much voet of one in general, well, water

740
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.440
in general, primarily because they have this water bottle they get.

741
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.000
If she didn't have that bottle with her, she was

742
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:40.400
losing it, like pure anxiety. Could not talk, could not think,

743
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.079
you could not do anything because she didn't have this wall.

744
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.559
It's like that became a god. That is something you

745
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.679
need for support, That is something you need to have

746
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:50.440
with you in order to move about a day, like

747
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.039
you can't do anything without it. So you know, it's

748
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.639
important to recognize what a god is and who you're

749
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:04.480
raising up as a guy. So, yeah, you know something

750
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.039
like this, if this was an actually they say this

751
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.039
was like a bigfoot creature, Right, if the man is

752
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:10.679
actually just a big foot, because we know that the

753
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.039
descriptions of him are very similar to what we see

754
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.920
on the Ohio grassmen and the bidfoot and the other

755
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.920
likewise cryptids. And so if there was a culture there

756
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:26.719
were people who came across this bigfoot like creature and

757
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.960
saw it is something much more majestic than what they were,

758
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.039
they might worship it. They might say this is my

759
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.760
God and lays it up even though it can't do

760
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:41.800
what he can. Right, it's just a creature. Maybe I

761
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.079
have magical powers. I don't know. We don't really know.

762
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:53.639
Depends on who you talk about, right, but yeah, I

763
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.400
mean I agree with you. It's just people will worship

764
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.320
things that as a god, even though they may not.

765
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.599
And again you already said, how do you define a god?

766
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:11.960
Do you? Other than people worship it? I mean, whatever

767
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:12.840
that may be.

768
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.920
Apple harknucks anybody from on now. I mean it's true though,

769
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.320
Like I mean, how many of us would not be

770
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:24.840
caught dead without our iPhones? So some of us, well, yeah,

771
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.920
you know, And it's just like we're constantly staring at it.

772
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.559
We have, in a sense.

773
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.679
Whether we believe it or not, have turned our technology

774
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.920
into our gods because we're not willing to do anything

775
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:37.440
without them.

776
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:38.800
You know.

777
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:41.039
It's like, what's it like outside? I don't know, let's

778
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:45.719
ask let's ask Siri. Let's find out. No, go step outside,

779
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.239
take a look, open your windows, whatever, and enjoy nature. Right,

780
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:53.880
But instead we're going to place our faith in what

781
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.960
the phone says, even if it's wrong. Okay, this is

782
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.360
the answer. I looked outside and sunny, but going to

783
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.920
rain all day, so we should just stay home. Okay,

784
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:10.800
that means seeing is bleeving. But you know, when you're reading,

785
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:12.920
I don't know.

786
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:14.079
Maybe it's just me.

787
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.199
Maybe me, I'm the only one who doesn't like to

788
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.320
have a phone as they're god.

789
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:26.119
Well, with that being said too, like I'll check weather

790
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:29.079
on my phone just because I just I don't watch

791
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.199
the news, so I don't see a forecast at all.

792
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:35.519
But I'm not saying there's anything wrong with doing it.

793
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.360
But it's like if you're gonna plan your whole day. No, yeah,

794
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.599
I don't plan my whole day. It's just one of

795
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.800
those things where it's like what should I wear today?

796
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.599
Not what am I gonna do? Is supposed to rain

797
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:54.960
all day? And the weather man is only rate sixty

798
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.159
percent of the time, and he's just wild. Why are

799
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:57.840
they getting paid?

800
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.960
Why are you're getting paid?

801
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.320
I mean back to this point. You know, with the

802
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.639
green Man, you can't control nature, and you can't control

803
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:12.920
the human mind to see things or even be afraid

804
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:19.920
when you see something that you can't understand too. But yeah,

805
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:25.599
I don't believe he is a god. He may have

806
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.440
been an entity of some kind that people might have

807
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:35.719
worshiped at one time or another, but I believe him

808
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.800
to be like it for spirit or fay of some

809
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:47.400
kind something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think that's my

810
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.000
perspective on that, because it's one of those things where

811
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.480
we can't even really like I said at the beginning,

812
00:52:56.519 --> 00:53:00.920
you can't even really find narrowing it down to what

813
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:06.119
the green Man is as far as Google is concerned. Anyways,

814
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:07.760
we'll say that.

815
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.599
Our gods are wrong. They don't know the Netherard.

816
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:21.400
So we've got a lot of great stuff going on

817
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:23.800
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818
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:28.960
Like we mentioned, we actually have a supporter on our

819
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.400
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00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:41.880
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821
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And we love the interaction and that's kind of why

823
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:55.199
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824
00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:03.239
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00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:06.880
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826
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.639
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827
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.519
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829
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:25.679
you so much. Next week, we've got a really interesting

830
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:29.679
show planned. We're gonna be bringing on Catward from Paranormal

831
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:36.320
Heart and we're gonna be discussing common the most common

832
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:41.159
questions about the paranormal. So if you have questions about

833
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:45.119
the paranormal that you've not heard answers to get it

834
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:51.119
in the comments, get it. I'll be doing posts about

835
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:57.280
it before next Tuesday. Comment on that as well, because

836
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.480
I mean, I can come up with a bunch of

837
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.559
comic questions, but I would rather hear from you, our listeners,

838
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:13.559
what your questions are about the paranormal. Anything else I'm

839
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.159
forgetting Mmmm.

840
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.719
Well, I mean, you know, Halloween is over, which oh

841
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:25.800
I haven't forgot that py related Halloween everybody. I hope

842
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:27.679
it was good like fun for y'all.

843
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:30.199
But that means, you.

844
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.519
Know, Christmas is not far around the corner, and Sara,

845
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:37.320
people have Christmas lights up already. Anyone listening, you already

846
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.840
have Christmas lights up? I am shaving you. You should

847
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.480
take them down and wait, at least still have the things. Ah,

848
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.280
but you know, so that means we do have our

849
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.800
Christmas specials coming up, so pretty much through the entire

850
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.360
month of December. But yeah, our whole December will be

851
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:58.960
filled with Christmas content that is related to the paranormal

852
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.960
and the spooky, weird and all that wonderful not so

853
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:03.880
Jolly's stuff.

854
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.119
But he's one of my favorites in the yority because

855
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.360
there are a couple of guests in the right, a

856
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:13.840
couple of the weeks. But something we've never talked about

857
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.079
is Yule Tide, so we'll get into that, and I

858
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.960
have not done research in a very long time on

859
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.239
Yule Tide, so I'll have to brush up for sure.

860
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.079
Make sure you like Share subscribe so that way when

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862
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863
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.320
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