The Green Man: Ancient Guardian of the Forest

0:03 Welcome. Well, well do Para Truth Truth. What's up everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode of Paratruth re Born. My name is Eric, I'm justin. And uh, honestly, I never felt we would actually say we would go live again, Like I thought that was over.

0:44 I thought we're done with that. I mean, the pre record is easier in a sense because we don't have to as you said off air, we don't have to worry about stumbling and stuff. That can all be out if we need to. But yeah, now you know I'm I'm good at stumbling over everything in life, not just words, relationships. We're both clover for everything. Oh goodness, well, and I guess you can go ahead and jump right into the show today. Thank you everybody for joining us. We're excited that this is our debut live episode here and today we are talking about an ancient guardian basically on this forest right. If you've been anywhere out in the world, scrolling the Internet or even flipping through the pages of a book, you've probably seen his face. It's been etched into stone, It's hidden among vines, peering out from ancient cathedrals or the bark of old Oaks, and I am talking about a character through folklore known as the Green Man.

1:52 Now what's fascinating about this is he's a symbol of life, death, rebirth that has haunted our stories for centuries. I mean, it goes well beyond what we realize. I actually told Eric this when I was searching for the Green Man. Like Google, you have to clarify what you're saying when you say green Man, because apparently there's a lot of things that reference the Green Man. And it's not you know how many photos of dudes painted green popped up on Googoolg. I was like, what happening he pictures saying luckily nothing else, sir, all kinds of people painted green.

2:35 It's like, okay, this is Google needs to be very specific. You think we would understand. But but I mean, what is he really Because we'll get into where what the images are of him and stuff like that. But is he a forgotten god, a spirit of nature, or something much older still watching us from the shadows of trees? Right? And so tonight we're going to dive into the myth, the mystery, and the paranormal encounters behind the Green Man himself. So let's start with the basics here. The green Man, if you've ever seen the images, is that leafy face you'll find carved into church walls, which is fascinating because this is those well before Christianity garden fountains or medieval manuscripts.

3:30 But what's while is that the story goes back two thousand years ago, before the spark of Ristianity. Right, No, for sure, and in fact you can actually trace similar imagery back to incient Rome, and even more so way early to the Celts, which existed one thousand years prior to the Christian Faith. Now, the Celts themselves especially had a deep reverence for the forest, as they saw it as kind of a They basic this on nature as like a living and breathing force that just surrounded them, right, and so one could certainly believe that it would have led them to the worship of this green man. Now, the green Man is actually a modern term which was coined in nineteen thirty nine by Lady Julia Somerset, who's also known as Lady Ragrubb now which she actually came up with this name, which he used in an article published in a folk coret journal. Now prior to nineteen thirty nine, However, the green Men went by several other names, including the Foliate Head, the wood Woofs or Woding, and also Jack in the Green. But for simplification and ease, we're just going to keep calling him the green Man for the most part here on out there the rest of the episode.

4:54 I mean, I prefer to call him the Jack and the Greener. I mean, look, I do that too, or a palatable name. Why you know, it's weird. That, like all these different vocals that we talked about over the years, Jack is in big Man that's always used over and over and over. Yeah. Nope, still some technical difficult piace his For some reason, his mic keeps getting not I think I can have to start looking into a new focus, right, perhaps.

5:50 Can you hear me now? Ye? Here you now? Okay? I think it might be the mic. I might go back to my old mic. The but when we did the what is it about the name Jack? Episode, we never did Jack in the Green. No, So Ernie go upstairs now. The green Man seems to be a very symbolic image representing a cycle of life, the death of winter and the reworth of spring. Leaves sprouting from his mouth, finds wrapping around his face. It's like he's literally becoming the forest or coming out of the forest.

6:52 And though his image can be found nearly everywhere today, he is traditionally associated with May Day, which is a traditional spring festival with ancient pagan ruds. It's now also a modern holiday celebrated International Workers Day as International Workers Day, which. I've actually never heard of International Workers' Day. I don't know what they celebrate. I know, as a worker, I've never been celebrated for anything here in the US. So if anyone has any like special memories of International Workers Day, please share. I'd like to know what you guys, what happens look like I'm with does now? You see what's really interesting though, is that when Christianity spread across Europe, they didn't just erase agree map, and typically when christian faith was growing, it rarely erased anything with other pagan cultures. Instead, in this case, it actually absorbed him. You see, suddenly these pagan nature spirits were showing up carved into church doorway and cath eagles, which raises a pretty big question, right, but why would a Christian church include a pagan symbol and its architecture. Now there's of course, a number of different beliefs. Some are maybe legit, some are just very creative. Well, when it came to the early Church, it was actually common practice for the Church to adopt certain pagan symbols

8:27 and images in order to help make the transmission into Christianity easier. A good primary example of this is the legend of the Celtic Cross, which was believed to be designed by Saint Patrick. Some will say that it wasn't Saint Patrick, and there's a number of other names who are associated to the Celtic Cross, but for the majority, it is believed that Saint Patrick was the one who designed it. So we're going to just stick with that legend and story right now. But Patrick, who basically adopted the Irish pagan son symbol into the image of the cross, was in order to help the Irish transition from one belief into another. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, I mean, the Celtic Cross is pretty well known.

9:12 It's just a cross with a circle in the center. Guarantee you've seen it probably multiple times throughout your week when you're traveling. It's on churches, it's you know, just number of jewelry and photos images, you can't miss it. So as for the green Man, it was also likely adopted as a symbol of life, death, rebirth, and even potentially nature, God's creation or a renewal of life through Christ. Now, despite this likely adaptation, there are still others who think this inclusion of the green Man was actually a quiet rebellion, a much older belief system that still lingered beneath the surface.

10:04 And of course this gets into conspiracy, right, because is there a sect of Christianity worshiping the green Man secretly underground? Right? And of course we don't know the answer to that. I'm sure there's plenty of people in various faiths worshiping other things. I mean, most of us have ideas in some way or another. Right, so I wouldn't doubt that. Well. I mean, and we've talked about this before, even recently, that not just Christianity, but other religions and mythos throughout history have absorbed the conquering, absorbed the other religions as a way to help. What's the word I'm looking for, I can't think of it, but basically, chin meld, bring together, meld the conquered into their religion to make it easier basically is all I'm going for. But yeah, I mean Christianity has done a lot of that with with pagan beliefs. The Christmas Tree, Halloween became all all hollows e. So yeah, you see that a lot in in a lot of cultures, Christianity

11:36 is just the most recent. Basically. Now let's talk meaning, because the green Man isn't just some decorative face. He represents something powerful. He's Nature's consciousness, the reminder that we belong to Earth, not the other way around. Leaves come from his mouth, that's life spring from death. And there's that connection to the divine masculine too, which again you see that in Christianity. It's not in all religions. Christianity is one of the ones where you have that divine masculine he him God, the idea of a protector, a father figure tied to the wild, but also something untamed, something I don't know if you came across this, but I know this name from fiction be Aero King. I don't know this, Okay, So the Aero King is basically a fay or fairy, and they believe he's King of the fairies. It's very vague on that part. But that's kind of what it reminded me of when I started seeing the images of the Green manure. And the only

13:11 reason it came up to my mind is because I'm listening to the Dress and Files on audiobooks, so and I love that set of books, and he is a prominent character in that. So that's why I brought it to the forefront for me. Yeah, for sure, you know, it always brings when I see the Green Man or you know, read a boy him, I always think of comic books because I'm pretty sure it's your swamp thing. No, yeah, he looks almost identical to some of the images of the green Man that we see on cathedral walls in above doorways. I have a Greenman door knocker that I use as a plaque in my library as well, which they're all like, all the various images of the green Man are pretty pretty similar.

14:03 There's minor differences between some of them, but for the most part, it kind of looks a lot like swamp thing. And I don't know why the paranormal always makes you think of comic books. Maybe it's just because I'm a nerd and everything comes back to comics. But you are a nerd. I am a nerd. I know, aren't we watching the video you would see all the comic stuff behind me. Yeah. Yeah. But you know the other thing though, is you know, the reminder that we belong to the earth, not the other way around. I think it's actually very interesting because you know, when you consider at least in my bake right, consider the Christian fanths, it's actually they go on hand in hand. We both be long to the earth while at the same time owning the earth. You know, we're like commanded to take care of the earth, to tend it, to keep it safe. But yet when we die, our dust returns to the earth. So you're a part of it and you come from but at the same time you're protecting it and carrying for it. I don't know, It's just like one of those things where it's like the earth is highly important, and I think a lot of people unfortunately nowadays. Of course, obviously there are some there's movements happening to try to clean the oceans, to take care of the lands, to stop deforcedisation, right to protect the animals and stuff. On top of just the trees or we need trees if we know all the trees, we might all suffocate and diet because there's no octagum in reviewes.

15:28 I don't know, well, I mean this all goes back to when man was young. I mean, most religions came from worshiping nature, worshiping the sun and the moon, worshiping the ancestors, stuff like that. So well, so you know, when it goes to the green Man, as you'd already kind of mentioned, he is more or less both creation and destruction, right. He's basically he basically brings forth growth, but he also is a storm that carries it all down as well. He's basically the Yin and the yan, a simple balance, which again is probably why the Christian Church actually did adopt his aage into it, because it's very similar at least to a stent of what the Christian God is like, both the beginning, the end, the alpha, the omega. You know, we'll see that mentioned multile thigh STAPs, characters. We see the similarities throughout history among a number of different faiths, but some more so than others. Now, same thing with what I'm about to say here, maybe that he's.

16:51 Not good, he's not evil, he's kind of bolth he's wild, nature embodied, and again going back to the Aero king, that's kind of the idea of him. He's the wild fate. He's not bound by summer or winter. He's independent of that. Now here's where things get really interesting modern encounters. Yeah, so there are people who have claimed to see or have some a green man at one time or another, or at least something like him. In fact, there is one story from England where hikers reported a figure watching them from the tree line. They actually described it as a tall man covered in moss with eyes that looked like amber light shining through leaves.

17:54 Now I've heard similar accounts from the US too, usually deep in the woods in your old growth areas. Some describe them as an elemental others say fay or even forest guardian spirits. The question is, though, in these instances, is this paradolia mixed with a fear reaction to the forest or something else entirely. And that's something that I have thought about since we have been looking at this particular thing is paradolia. And we can say that about a. Lot of things in the paranormal. I mean, when you talk about like walking through the forest, how many times do you walk through the forest or your local parks, the woods, and you feel like there's something watching me, right, And yeah, you got birds watching me, you got other animals watching the little tiny bubs and insects.

18:52 Right, like, don't step on me. I'm watching you, right. But it's typical a Disney movie. I'm just saying, a Bud's Life. Okay, you gotta watch it. They'll teach you everything you need to know. But typically when you're walking through the woods and we feel like the sneaker watching you, it's something that's a bit more primal in nature and feeling within yourself. Right, It's like there's something that's not right, something that isn't normal, that is watching me from somewhere beyond the trees. And it is that hype of feeling that I think a lot of these people get. In fact, they they actually use this description not only with the greed Man, but us with creatures like the dog man or even the Bigfoot, where there's this heightened sense of being watched and something was maybe tracking you. So you're always kind of on edge looking, you know, watching your back, like why am I so paranoid? And it's very possible it's because there is something or somebody watching you, maybe in a spiritual form even right well now, when it comes to the green Man, though, you know, like I said, described as a tall man covered in moss with eyes that looked like amp or light, people are saying that this might be an elemental of some sort, or a fee or even cost guardian spirit. This all, more or less sounds pretty similar to some other cryptids that people have also

20:22 noted and often described with the same features. In fact, some of those cryptids are the Ohio Grassman, for one example, plus the Cedar bob Monster, the Honey islandists Want Monster, and of course the Bigfoot, which brings to question whether the green Man is actually a god of some sort or if he's just a cryptid the ancient people worshiped after civil encounters, and that's something I think translates to the whole cryptid diversity as well, because things like the Ohio grass Band, see the bog Bonster, Honey Island swat Monster, Bigfoot, even the green Man, they could all be one in the same creature, but based on local may be warshiped as one entity, may be viewed as as another. You know, people try to separate these creatures as being different beings altogether, at least different branches of the same being, right, but it's very possible one in the same empty or animal creature, whatever you want to call it.

21:33 Now, what's wild is that these carvings aren't just random art. Some believe they're anchors, gateways that keep something ancient tied to the physical world. Some maybe every green Man carving isn't a symbol of him. It's a symbol for him, a way to invite or contain that energy, you know. I think that's why are the green Man's making such a comeback. You see his face everywhere now, tattoos, sculptures, festivals, you even see him like you mentioned the pop culture aspect with swamp thing, or even again, the arrow King is in pop culture because he's in a story. Right.

22:30 Well, then we also go back to like this whole, especially when you consider where we are in the world today, right, A lot of people are getting a little frustrated with how things are being worn by the governments, even within religion, within religion, how things are being born, and so a lot of people, especially younger generations, are starting to step back and try to delve more into nature. They want to become more connected with it. They want to pursue nature and even you know, live and work within it. And that's where the green Man starts to really pop up. He's kind of like, you know, he's kind of like this beacon to people who want freedom, who want to get away from the mundane and the urban life and all the politics. It's a sense of freedom, right, And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago as well, where people are starting to kind of get into various practices which draw upon nature spirits and nature energies in order to reconnect with the Earth. On top of that, though, you know, just despite like those things and then also the actual encounters that people have had, there's also been paranormal encounters over the years as well. Now, again, I think this kind of relates to some of the other crypt you talk about, But apparently there have been a number of reports regarding sudden temperature drops, static in recordings, or even voice is saying leave in your stone faces

24:03 or carvings of the green Man. Now again, this could all just kind of be played up and you know, be coincidence. But at the same time, we've also know plenty of people who've been out looking for Bigfoot and centered they had these static happing in their in their recordings, or temperature dropping or the the atmosphere shifting in some way. We of course see this in the spiritual realm, right whenever we're doing paranormal investigations and we're countering various spirits. It's very possible that this green Man, much Led, Bigfoot, much led, the ghost is very capable of manifesting itself in bulk a physical form, but also a spectral form.

24:44 And that's why we tend to get these number of different uh X recordings on our various devices or even on their own bodies when we when we notice it. Well, and that I mean that really h delves into as well. Like we've talked about this with a lot of different creatures or entities that naming something and believing in it brings it to life or has an entity attached it to it or that image just look at slender Man. We've brought that up multiple times on the show. Yeah, it's one of those things where it could absolutely be an entity and of himself or it could be something different altogether.

25:45 Well, yeah, for sure, and I by no means, and I guess this idea that you know, when people are thinking of or even pursuing this idea of the cream matter, they're taking photos of him or artwork, i should say, and posting it up on the boards or the walls or as the core on their home. That it isn't going to manifest some sort of entity in some way, right, And we see this so many times throughout history, and we've talked about this on the show a lot with the number of our friends. The collective mind is very powerful. It's very possible that this green Man has had disappeared over centuries of time, and now of a suddenly you reappear because there's a new spark it in its being right and in its existence. And the more the people kind of delp into it they learn about it, they want to whether it's worship or they're trying to using for some sort of energy practices, or simply is just a symbol of like this is nature, this is freedomless is peace? Right, there is that collective conscience that could potentially manifest some sort of entity, whether or not it's green Man that we could read about here online, or if it's something else entirely. You know, one will only one will only know until you know, we me know, you know, we'll see if we start getting phone calls about, hey, there's a green man in my closet and he keeps

27:17 a knocking on the wood for some reason. Yes, we need him gone. Right. Well, I mean that goes back to that that case that you've talked about a couple of times of the woman who had the entity with the it was black but had red eyes, and you had a church group pray with you to try and get rid of it. And then I know this is going completely off topic, but I'm if I'm remembering right, you never really heard from her after that after she called you and said it's gone. Uh, she did call once after that, and it once it was gone. I mean that was just so the whole thing was so fascinating. But yeah, you know, it's like I talked to this woman alone, right, It's just on the phone.

28:10 She gave me all this information, so I knew what this. Entity looked like according to her right standing at the top of her stairs. And so yeah, when I had this prayer group come together, a group of friends and my pastor at the time come together and start praying over this woman and the entity in her house. One of my buddies came to me, pulled me aside and said, dude, when we were praying, I just saw this thing as like black mass, screaming and had these bright red eyes, and you know, it was just freaking out and staring at me. I was like, dude, that's exactly what she described as black mass with the red eye standing at the top of the stairs, right. And so we're praying and it's screaming with this is effective. Something's happening. And then the next day to find out that she's suddenly feeling calm. She feels like the presence is gone.

29:01 I didn't tell her. That we had completed the prayer. I didn't tell her that we're even going to do it. So the fact that it was gone all of a sudden showed not only the power of prayer, but showed that this empathy was indeed gone, at least for a time. Now, we know that the. Scripture that in some cases, when you cast a spirit out of a place or a person in a home, it can go around the earth looking for a new place to dwell and finding nothing, comes back to its original home, all spleted up clean, and then goes back in, taking with it seven more spirits, more strong than itself. Right, And this is the idea that when you cast a spirit out of something, it has to be replaced, that energy has to be replaced by something good and positive.

29:47 But of course, of scripture, we're talking about God. We know plenty of people, of course, who have cast out dark energies and replaced it with light, right, white light and a good energy, and it has kept that darkness at bay. So with that said that going, I know, I tend to drag my stories on a lot. I'm a storyteller. That's what I do, like just talking until I don't and then I'm dead silent for hours on end. And people don't like that either. Until Justin's getting upset that you're talking to a guest multiple questions. Hey, hey, that's just good show ship and show business. Okay, you trying to get all the questions out of your mind before you forget them all.

30:29 No, it's nice because like you know, they're all on topic. If we're like asking questions on one topic and I'll let you go and you change the topic, if I got to pull that back to another, it's like it doesn't make sense, why are we doing this? Just just keep going on the one topic, right, man, shouldn't even a heart attack at forty But but yeah, no, So after after that whole thing, you know, and she did say that like that entity was gone. It's about two weeks later she called it back, said that suddenly felt this energy is back again. Had a little confident with her and found out that her mom had moved back into her house all of a sudden after a few weeks.

31:10 And I realized, based on that discussion that part of this energy she was feeling wasn't the spirit on the back, but that was anxiety toward her mother, who she did not have the relationship with. And at that point, it kind of shifts from oh, there's this spirit we need to get rid of, to oh, no, there's this there's this brokenness between you and her mom. That is me fixed. That is something that I personally do not have. The ability to do. But also don't have the means, But there are professionals out there who can't help, right, And so that's how I corrected her there And that has to happen. You know, that happens in a lot of cases. You know a lot of people think it's just spiritual. Everything is just spiritual in the paranormal, but it's not a lot of it is also mental. A lot of it is also your relationship with the people you surround yourself with.

32:00 There is a lot that. Goes into it. So when you're doing paranormal investigations, you know, it's important to kind of check off everything. You know, you want to be very well rounded because you go in hunting that use that word viously looking for something. Maybe he's that one and you don't find it, it doesn't mean that something isn't happening, so you need to find out what that thing is. Okay, my story's done. I feel satisfied that the story has made it full circle. Well, Heidi, no problem about being late, totally cool. You're always promoting our show, so we love that you do that, and we're so happy that you're here in our chat room as well. Now, something that is applying to the Green Man as far as why he's showing up so much, you know, is it because humanic humanity keeps straying too far away from nature? Are are we so far from our roots and not connecting with nature that we used to do?

33:21 That? He just keeps popping up in not just again, not just in architecture, but people are seeing him him quote unquote in trees, in bushes. The list goes on. There is it something that he is an entity of some kind of god, a ghost maybe, or something else entirely like or again, is this a paradolia? Is this something where we're trying to assign what we see to to a human face or or anything. I mean, we do it with clouds too.

34:10 Sure, Yeah, you know, I think if the agreement is real, you know, I think he's more of a like an arctical arctical artypical go with that word. Yeah, no, I didn't. I haven't been in college in a while. Okay, I don't know all my words. Uh. Basically, he has the ability to take on many forms, and in this case, he would be more of a spirit. We see him in, uh, basically the the artistry of pan right, we see him in. I think it's cern something like that, even in the modern idea of Mother Nature's counterpart. And I think if we are seeing him pretty regularly nowadays, or people are, maybe there is kind of like a it's kind of like a warning. It's kind of like this reminder like, hey, look, you are destroying this planet. Right, there's deforestization. You are killing the animals you're not supposed to be killing. You are trashing the oceans and the rivers. You're basically destroying the ozone that's going away supposed to be right, and now it's kind of imbiting this, this this entity back to kind of take claim and show people like, hey, there is more to all the least things around, the more to nature you think. Right, It's like for a long time i'd go outside, I see, oh that tree is a tree. Oh that pizza grass and the blade of grass is the blade of grass.

35:36 Right, that water is just water. But no, when you actually take the time to sit in the middle of the woods or you know, I let this when I'm near the ocean. I just sit in the ocean and bob up and down. Right, when you're bearing during it, biting it all in, you're absorbed when you start to realize nature that seems to be now living, right, the truths and all that stuff is actually a living, breathing thing. It has a spirit that hovers over it. It was created by God, and so there is much more to these things than simply inadimate objects. There is a butterfly effect when you start destroying things and harming the planet. And you know, PI said, I mentioned the animals why saying animals, Well, animals are very important in terms of the ecological system that we have in the world. Right, So we know here in the US, wolves are constantly Ah so didn't getting you on this one, And I'm gonna try not do though. But Trump is very supportive of killing wolves and that is very very, very very bad for the environment of the US because wolves are a very key element to keeping.

36:51 The wild wild. Right. In fact, there was a study conducted one wolver initially re released back into yellow Sune after just putting several wolves back in. Over the course of the year or two, it completely changed the landscape of Yellowstone Park all because of wolves that were added, because of things that were eating you know, it was stopping plant eaters from killing all the grass and eating all the leaves. It was cutting down on a fish population of the rivers, and so the rivers started to change course and the land started shifting. There's this whole thing that happens, right, and it's something I think would need to be very aware of there is a butterfly effect. And I think in part that is why we tend to see this possible green men image. Start shelling up, because there's this warnings that I'm saying, Hey, look remember what I am, Who I am?

37:45 What this is? You need to be careful, Oh, I says she things sees more of a nature spirit or elemental mhm. She also didn't here are people actually having encounters with them either, which typically I haven't until actually digging into the the research too. Now what's fascinating is, you know, we've brought up a couple of like swamp things. We've brought up who did I say, Oh, well, the Aero King Han. There are a couple other characters from from pop we'll say pop culture because Shakespeare Puck from a Midsomber Dream is kind of this embodiment of the wild Band, the wild Fae, the kind of like Pan.

38:58 And then you also have mister uh, the tumless good bye to say mister p the the Chronicles of Narnis asked, Uh, yeah, if mister Miyagi is the green Man, I don't know if the green Man does lax on wax off, if he's a part of asia. Ah, he might be if people are not gonna be very nice in nature, who might start waxing on lacking off? So many people just saying. But that's the That's the thing about a lot of the things we talked about in general, too, is is this something that is just like you said, it's an archetype.

39:41 Is it something that is in the collective consciousness that everybody thinks of this being. Maybe they don't call him the green Man, but tap into that so that you can use him in a story or video game even or movie. That's That's one of those things that I've thought about since becoming a writer. Am I picking up on something that's more than just that? No, one hundred percent, you know? And there is also you know, there's always that probability that this is the dream Man, is something that was just created right a story and nothing more.

40:28 And we know he extends way back to a thousand years at least a thousand years prior to the spark of Christianity, right, and we're talking about the Celts. We note that the Celts had worshiped this quote unquote green Man for some time. We know that he was part of their culture. But why you know, we don't have that information. We don't know exactly how the Green Man began. We don't know what his origin story is. We just know that he was there. And then when Christianity swept through the that started to adopt his image into the various artwork of the cathedrals. And again, you know, I think that goes back to this kind of similar supporting role in some sense to who God is in the Christian mean faith.

41:15 Right, he is this protector, he's this beginning and end. He is I mean, I hate to use this word, but you know, in a sense he is good and bad. You know, he is one hundred percent good minded. There is no bad in him, but he allows bad things to happen for the greater purpose of humanity. But you know, and with that said, I think bad things don't happen without it is okay, And so I think they adopt this, this particular image into the church as kind of like here is a visual manifestation for those who at the time were worshippers of the Greek man. Come to our church.

41:55 No worship here, right, And yeah, let's face it, there's a little bit of no stuff happening. There are like mind, control, if you will, trying to twist people into you know, uh, taking on the faith and understanding it. Uh. But that's kind of how it is with people in general. You know, nobody just flips their belief system like you know, with a snap of the fingers. It takes time, it takes correcting, it takes uh, you know, people explaining and help them understand certain situations before they can put it. Okay, hold on, maybe my way of painting as well, or maybe this isn't right, or maybe this is right, and I need to figure out why, you know, uh, and I think in this in this case, it was the same way.

42:39 The Christian Church adopted this image in order to help convert people and help them understand who God is. Slowly but surely, because again we saw it where with Saint Patrick and the Irish, and you see it time and town again. We're out the world when wherever Christianity spread it adopted various images, you know, the the the five pointed star, often used in various pagan rituals and working. The Christian Church a doubt that at one point as the five Wounds of Christ, and they used that for a while. There are a number of other symbols as well. Sorry, I got my cat walking by. He's making his parents today. I'm like, hey, Bud, you're in no wi.

43:20 Okay, you guys know how it is. You can't just move a cat, you know, it's just there and he does what he wants to do until he's done. Gosh, anyway, go and through it. Yeah, I'll let this go ahead. I want to try to course him out of here down please, thank you. So what is what is some of your final thoughts on this? Is it something where humanity is calling back, being called back to nature? Should we go back to nature? Little bit more? What are your thoughts on that?

44:04 Well? I mean I think we actually should be going back to nature. You know, it's something I do nearly every weekend. I go to the to the. Park or to do the National Park over here in Cleveland. I spend at least an hour thirty minutes top or minimum right at least an hour there just absorbing nature because there is something refreshing and revitalizing about it. I mean, I think pretty much anybody can walk into a park or walk next to a large body of water, lake and ocean and suddenly feel different, right in a good way, And it's because our bodies are naturally in tune, our spirits are naturally in tune to that environment. It's where we were supposed to be from the beginning. But nowadays, myself included, we do this thing called dune scrolling right, and we just like scroll and scroll and scroll. And I will tell myself over and over and over again, you're not going to doune scroll to night. And then three hours later my phone's like, hey, we're at two set battery. You've been on here for six hours, you know.

45:04 So I think it's very important that we need to go outside and get away from the bones. So that, let me say, go outside of me, be your phone somewhere right, keep it indoors. I put mine in my trunk when I go to the park sometimes just so I don't have it on me. Uh. And so in that case, yeah, I think this is, if nothing else, a call to come back. I'm back to our origins, come back to the world in the sense of Earth as goes to the world, in the sense of this is what the modern world wants you to do. All the phones, all the AI, all the computers, it's getting ridiculous. Yeah, I mean I agree one hundred percent of about We need to have a at least some type of connection to nature, even if that's like for me example, I'll go out in the backyard, I'll put a fire up and try to write m hm. And that, Like Heidi mentioned, it's a grounding for a lot of people, not everybody, But I think if people gave it a chance, I mean you would, you would find that nature actually has a calming effect on the human mind. Now about the green, Now, what are your thoughts about? Is he

46:36 something an entity or is it just something that has just been written about? I mean, I think he has to be an entity, you know, even if he was just written about. You know, we talked about the collective mind, and I think that when people believe in something written as much as they do knowledge, just a story or of a person, then that story can manifest itself, right, or that that entity can manifest itself. So I do think that it is a spirit of some sort. I don't think it's a god. I don't think it's a god at all. I think that he is some sort of forest spirit maybe if he exists, and even if he isn't, I think he's some sort of beacon to a better way and a better understanding of our world and not the current one, not the modern one. But like how did they back step back and realize and remember who we are, who he should be, and how we need could protect the earth that we have there bonding before it's too right.

47:40 Well, but you brought this up earlier, like with talking about what green man is or is he it linked to like cryptid of some kind, and that people have worshiped these creatures for years. So in a sense, he could have been a god at one time. I mean he could have been. Yeah. I mean now we're talking about like how do you define a god? Right, So that's a very different thing. Anything could be a god. This water bottle I drink out of this water bottle, well, I guess this particular one for like the last forty eight minutes, but another water bottle, if I were to drink it religiously, you know, out of that one bottle could become my god. Like I don't have this water I do. Somebody who would freak out, they literally lose their mind if they didn't have that water bottle. They had so much voet of one in general, well, water in general, primarily because they have this water bottle they get.

48:33 If she didn't have that bottle with her, she was losing it, like pure anxiety. Could not talk, could not think, you could not do anything because she didn't have this wall. It's like that became a god. That is something you need for support, That is something you need to have with you in order to move about a day, like you can't do anything without it. So you know, it's important to recognize what a god is and who you're raising up as a guy. So, yeah, you know something like this, if this was an actually they say this was like a bigfoot creature, Right, if the man is actually just a big foot, because we know that the descriptions of him are very similar to what we see on the Ohio grassmen and the bidfoot and the other likewise cryptids. And so if there was a culture there were people who came across this bigfoot like creature and saw it is something much more majestic than what they were, they might worship it. They might say this is my God and lays it up even though it can't do what he can. Right, it's just a creature. Maybe I have magical powers. I don't know. We don't really know.

49:45 Depends on who you talk about, right, but yeah, I mean I agree with you. It's just people will worship things that as a god, even though they may not. And again you already said, how do you define a god? Do you? Other than people worship it? I mean, whatever that may be. Apple harknucks anybody from on now. I mean it's true though, Like I mean, how many of us would not be caught dead without our iPhones? So some of us, well, yeah, you know, And it's just like we're constantly staring at it.

50:28 We have, in a sense. Whether we believe it or not, have turned our technology into our gods because we're not willing to do anything without them. You know. It's like, what's it like outside? I don't know, let's ask let's ask Siri. Let's find out. No, go step outside, take a look, open your windows, whatever, and enjoy nature. Right, But instead we're going to place our faith in what the phone says, even if it's wrong. Okay, this is the answer. I looked outside and sunny, but going to rain all day, so we should just stay home. Okay, that means seeing is bleeving. But you know, when you're reading, I don't know.

51:13 Maybe it's just me. Maybe me, I'm the only one who doesn't like to have a phone as they're god. Well, with that being said too, like I'll check weather on my phone just because I just I don't watch the news, so I don't see a forecast at all. But I'm not saying there's anything wrong with doing it. But it's like if you're gonna plan your whole day. No, yeah, I don't plan my whole day. It's just one of those things where it's like what should I wear today? Not what am I gonna do? Is supposed to rain all day? And the weather man is only rate sixty percent of the time, and he's just wild. Why are they getting paid?

51:58 Why are you're getting paid? I mean back to this point. You know, with the green Man, you can't control nature, and you can't control the human mind to see things or even be afraid when you see something that you can't understand too. But yeah, I don't believe he is a god. He may have been an entity of some kind that people might have worshiped at one time or another, but I believe him to be like it for spirit or fay of some kind something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think that's my perspective on that, because it's one of those things where we can't even really like I said at the beginning, you can't even really find narrowing it down to what the green Man is as far as Google is concerned. Anyways, we'll say that.

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55:17 Well, I mean, you know, Halloween is over, which oh I haven't forgot that py related Halloween everybody. I hope it was good like fun for y'all. But that means, you. Know, Christmas is not far around the corner, and Sara, people have Christmas lights up already. Anyone listening, you already have Christmas lights up? I am shaving you. You should take them down and wait, at least still have the things. Ah, but you know, so that means we do have our Christmas specials coming up, so pretty much through the entire month of December. But yeah, our whole December will be filled with Christmas content that is related to the paranormal and the spooky, weird and all that wonderful not so Jolly's stuff.

56:05 But he's one of my favorites in the yority because there are a couple of guests in the right, a couple of the weeks. But something we've never talked about is Yule Tide, so we'll get into that, and I have not done research in a very long time on Yule Tide, so I'll have to brush up for sure. Make sure you like Share subscribe so that way when we go live, you'll be seeing us and until next week, folks, where you'll find us, same time, same channel. My name is Justin and I'm Eric Riece.