Dec. 10, 2025

Poppet Magick & Haunted Dolls: Inside Dollcraft w/Patti Negri

Haunted dolls. Poppet magick. Spirit-charged objects that seem just a little too alive. In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik sit down with psychic-medium and “Good Witch” Patti Negri—author of Dollcraft: A Witch’s Guide to Poppet...

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Haunted dolls. Poppet magick. Spirit-charged objects that seem just a little too alive.

In this episode of ParaTruth: Reborn, Justin and Erik sit down with psychic-medium and “Good Witch” Patti Negri—author of Dollcraft: A Witch’s Guide to Poppet Magick & Haunted Dolls and a familiar face from Ghost Adventures—to explore what really happens when spirits attach to dolls and how to work with them safely.

In this conversation we cover:
▹ What poppets actually are (beyond the “voodoo doll” stereotype)
▹ How and why dolls become haunted
▹ Practical protections if you already have a haunted doll at home
▹ Ethical ways to invite, honor, or release spirits from objects
▹ Stories from Patti’s own dollcraft and mediumship practice

If you’ve ever wondered whether that doll on your shelf is just plastic and stuffing—or a spirit’s favorite home—this episode is for you.

Guest Bio: Patti Negri is a psychic-medium, “Good Witch,” author, and television personality known for her recurring role on Ghost Adventures and appearances across the paranormal and entertainment world. She’s the author of Old World Magick for the Modern World and Dollcraft, and hosts the podcast The Witching Hour.

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Thanks for listening!

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Welcome.

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Well go, well do para truth truth? What's going on Paratruthers.

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I have to say this before I do the introduction.

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I get so excited every time I hear that, Hey.

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It's still doing this job. Then welcome to Paratruth Reborn.

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My name is Justin and I'm Eric.

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Now most people think dolls sit still on a shelf,

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but what if some of them are watching, waiting.

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And listening.

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Tonight we're talking with Patty Degree about poppet magic, haunted dolls,

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and why some objects feel alive. And she goes over

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that in her book doll Craft. Patty is a psychic medium,

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a quote unquote good witch, author, and television personality known

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for her recurring role on ghost adventures and appearances across

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the paranormal and entertainment world. She's the author of Old

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World Magic for the Modern World and Dollcraft, and hosts

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the podcast The Witching Hour.

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Now, I know you guys are all excited to hear

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from Patty, but she will actually be joining us in

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just a little bit. She's running a little behind. But

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first we want to cover some knowledge, at least some

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basic knowledge that we have about poppets. Now, the biggest

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question I think a lot of people tend to have

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when we're talking to them is what is a poppet?

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Exactly right? I know I have like, poppet is one

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of those words that I don't typically think of when

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I think of doults. But a poppet is basically a

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small human shaped figure used in folk magic, witchcraft and

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spell word to represent a person, a situation, or an intention.

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It is not, and I got to be clear, it

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is not the same thing as the Hollywood quote unquote

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voodoo doll as some may think. Instead a popit serves

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as a stand in basically a symbolic link between the

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physical figure and the person or intention it's connected to.

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And we've gone over voodoo and voodoo dolls, So if

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you want to know about more about that, go to

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that episode. And both Eric and I own a voodoo

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doll from going to New Orleans, So we have kind

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of ventured down that rabbit hole time and time again. Actually, now,

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what are puppets made of? That's the interesting thing. Traditionally

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the materials correspond to the poppet or the purpose of

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the spell. You've got fabric, you know, cotton felt linen

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often handstitched with intent wax, great for shaping and holding energy,

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but also symbolic of transformation. Herbs stuffed in cloth, lavender, rosemary, mugwort,

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rose petals. The list goes on and on there for healing, protection,

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into intuition, or love. You can have clay or corn husks,

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often used in folk traditions for grounding and natural energy,

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and biodegradable poppets used for spells that are meant to

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return the to the earth or release. With that being said,

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it's like doing a poppet and then you bury it

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for for whatever purpose that it is intended for. Now,

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you and I have both kind of researched a lot

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of things. Were you familiar with a pop poppet before

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we scheduled Patty On?

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Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, but anyone's

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watched Supernatural? Yeah, I learn a thing or two. Right.

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I love that.

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Our traditional way to go is look at Supernatural.

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You'll see it all. That's how it started for us,

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you know. So it's kind of like in a way, yeah,

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uh yeah, you know, of course I knew what a

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poppet was for quite a while now. But nonetheless, it's

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always nice to kind of go over some be finer details,

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especially in our studies, because there's always things I think

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that we can learn about, even some intricate knowledge that

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we have. You know, obviously, being a Christian, I study

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the Bible regularly, but I'm still learning a lot of

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things that I've already read through before vulnerable times. And

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the same thing happens in you know, really any faith,

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any craft and practice, or anything really studying, and so

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it's the same with the topics of going through the studies.

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Reading some of this stuff, I was like, oh, I

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don't recall that being associated with the poppet making, but

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you know, nonetheless it is, and it is in a

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way many ways very similar to a koodoo doll wh're

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just earlier I said, how good doooo do There's a

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very big difference between Hollywood woodoo doll and a real

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boodoo doll, right, because a Hollywood voodoo doll is always

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like poke poke, stab, stab, and the same thing happens

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to the person, right right, not quite how that works.

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You can't just rip its head off and then the

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person's head from slide off of their shoulders, right.

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I mean, they do have those voodoo dolls with the

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pins and stuff. But yeah, you're not going to get

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the same effect in Hollywood.

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there are similarities between a voodoo doll, whether it's the

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kind that we bought compared to the ones where you

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stick the pins in to a poppet.

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But poppits are meant solely more for.

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Uh, magical work or spiritual work, where a voodoo doll

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is more to sometimes affect a person depending on the

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voodoo doll you're using.

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you also so you mentioned in a number of different

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things obviously use within the craft of poppet puppets, but

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some other things also include, which you know probably is

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kind of important. You can include part of the person

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as well, hair males, things like that to help create

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that link between the poppet and the person associated with it.

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And you can actually create poppets for yourself also kind

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of like little good luck charms and manifest or put

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intention into it to manifest some sort of health, the

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good luck for charity, you know, towards yourself. I don't

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know how often people do that. In particular, I think

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it's you know, create a poppet for somebody, but nonetheless right, yeah.

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Well, but again the same thing with voodoo dolls. And

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it's not too a lot of times with voodoo dolls,

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least in the Hollywood standard. You're not you're not putting

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hair or nails or something of a personal nature in

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a food all to help, more to harm. But when

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you look back at the Voodoo culture, in voodoo dolls

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in particular, it was not meant for black magic, much

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like a lot of things are. It's not meant for

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the negative. It's meant for the positive, right.

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And I think that's the biggest uh misunderstanding when it

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comes to really anything that we talk about. When you

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think about it, because Hollywood is obviously so fast in

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its broadcast, I would say it's been neuromatized, so much advertized.

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It's created false falsities about a lot of these different practices,

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even fates and you know, religions, et cetera. Because it's

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all you know, it's all entertainment. It's all it's for Hollywood.

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That is the right. Obviously, I think, how do we

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used for some good? But in most cases they don't.

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They just do it for fun.

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I mean, at least brings the stuff to the forefront

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of people's minds. But yeah, there's there's so much like

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prime example, like haunting in Connecticut. We had the opportunity

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to meet the woman that went through that haunting and

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when I had kind of spoken to her, I think

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you were were somewhere else when we were at Scarefest.

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She's like, yeah, a lot of that was Hollywood. We

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did not go through as much of the drama that

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was in that movie as was originally the story.

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Disappointing for people like us, was this a lot?

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Well?

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Yeah, us being in the paranoral community, we want to

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believe that, Hey, all of the stuff that's happening happening

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in the movies is happening in real life and in

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reality it's like prime example, like I don't remember if

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you remember the scene of when they were in the

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past and this medium was having ectoplasm come out of

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his mouth and then came back in. I'm like, that

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would be awesome but scary all at the same time.

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So is that real? I'm guessing probably not, but yeah.

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You know, I don't know.

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I mean, obviously there's spirit photos, ghost photos that be

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used during the medium. Yeah, practices, Uh, and actoplasm is

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one of those things that is I don't it's not scientifically,

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I mean, nothing's obviously scientific. Very few things are scientific equipment, yeah,

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in this world in terms of the paranormal and ghosts existence.

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But actoplasm is one of those things that have been

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studied quite a bit. Actually, And despite the fact that

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there's no hard evidence because you can't simply replicate actoplasm,

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there is still evidence of actoplasm almost like this, I mean,

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most people of you, if you ever felt it, or

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you're trap wondering if you love about it, it's typically

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walking through like a thick, almost spider web type thing

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invisible to them. You know, you feel it like a

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spider web on your skin as it brushes past you.

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That's what most people kind of associate ecopasm with. Uh,

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there's a good chance to actually that you and I

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even saw acoplasm and caught it on camera at one

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point when we were walking through the woods. It was

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Intogo Lake carrying down Cleveland the fog. Yeah, love the thing,

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and we were talking. We were talking to what was

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considered a ray what many people thought was a raye,

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and they were we were getting some pretty crazy things

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on our EVPs a lot of darkness, but we are

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the photos while we're walking and all the photos are

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clear except for one, and there's this really bright green

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mist just hovering over the ground in near us. It

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was wild. It was weird, like of all things, first

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of all, to show up bright green, and typically you

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think ectoplasm, green, blue, those type of colors I usually

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think of right in the movie. So but yeah, you know,

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that was something that was I mean, maybe it wasn't ectoplasm,

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but it was interesting nonetheless, and it could have been,

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you know, it also could have just been some like

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I don't know, soild flog from pollution or something.

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Who knows, right, I just wanted to bring up if

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you're listening to us or watching US live, Patty is

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running behind. She will be on shortly, I hoping within

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the next ten or so minutes she'll be on. So

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I just wanted to set that reminder something that I had.

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I don't know if I sent you this picture, but

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I had taken pictures.

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When I was doing Postmaster in Nebraska, and I saw this.

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It looked like a spider web with my physical eye,

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but when I took the picture there was nothing there

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so it's one of those things where sometimes you can

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catch it with a photo, sometimes you catch with your eye.

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And when you're catching with your eye, kind of like

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with the stuff we're talking about with haunted dolls and poppets,

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it's your experience compared to evidence. So something to really

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consider when you're doing an investigation is, yes, you can

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include personal experiences, but that is not evidence, I.

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Mean, and the primary reason for that is because being humans,

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we are very suggest subjected to some things. Right. You know,

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our minds are crazy strong. You know, they're capable of

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helping us or making us see things that aren't really there,

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whether you know, whether it's that we ourselves think them

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into existence or you know, you have some sort of

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mental health disorder. Our minds are capable of seeing things

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that simply aren't real and trying to discern what is

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reel isn't real, especially in this field when they're not

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capturing it on you know, on on video, on photos

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or be a EVP or whatever or at you you know,

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It's that's why we tend to be careful about using

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personal experiences as factual evidence, because you really can't prove

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the personal experience. You would say Look, this is what

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I what I learned, is what I saw, what I

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what I felt, what I heard, et cetera. But in

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and of itself, that's all it is. It's what you

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think you saw and whether you really saw it. We

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can't really say it because we can't duplicate it, right,

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So we can't scientific and test it. Right.

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So here's a question for you, and I'm gonna ask

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this before and even after.

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Right now.

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Would you ever consider creating a pop it, even if

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it was just you're not putting intention into it to

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have as kind of a I guess pop.

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Yeah, Yeah, I mean yeah, I would for fun, You know,

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I wouldn't personally, I wouldn't make one obviously. Kind of

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kind of opposes my faith.

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All right, you know, I mean some of the things

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that you believe now compared to years ago sometimes contradict

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what a lot of people believe in Christianity.

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Though. Yeah, yeah, I mean there is that, Yes, that's true.

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You know, you learn things, especially in this field. There's

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things that don't make sense, or at least I shouldn't say

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things that don't make sense. Scripturally, I think everything scripturally

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makes sense to me. But uh, you know, using for example,

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we're talking about ghosts right now, people will say that

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scripture doesn't prove the existence of ghosts. On the flip side,

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there are some passages that actually kind of do and

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not just kind of, but they actually do prove the

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existence of ghosts, and the rest is just opinionated. You know,

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whether or not you believe in them is up to you, right,

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But yeah, in terms of your question, of course, I

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would make a poppet for fun, right, Yeah, come on,

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let's see. You know, I find I am both curious

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and fascinated by all everything that we discussed. Non people

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share with us. That's why I'm here in this field,

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because I'm drawn to it.

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Actually, so many questions and not enough answers on resta

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I would, but what I read, Oh, it's hand sewn

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with intention. I'm like, I haven't hand sown since I

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was in like high school, so I'd.

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Have to relearn that to do it. But I don't

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know if I could hands so it. I mean, putting

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intention into something is virtual, right an overthinker, I have

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obsessive compulsive disorder. I have intrusive thoughts. So whatever's going

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to that into that thing? I mean, that thing's coming

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out with Yeah, you know, a lot more negative than positive.

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It's not it's got its own mental disorder. By the

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time i'm it's like, why am I here? Why did

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you sow me? There's so much? What is it? One

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episode is Supernatural with the bear, the stuffed bear that

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comes to life and he's depressed and an alcoholic. Oh

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what is it all for? I forgot about that episode.

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I love that, oh man, And so in a sense

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that that was that a poppet I mean kind I guess, yeah,

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the bear no.

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Because I don't.

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I mean, I mean, it could have been, depending on

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your belief of what a puppet's supposed to be or do.

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Yeah, I can't remember. I mean, I know it came

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to you know, obviously it came to life. But well, right,

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I mean not in the show obviously it wasn't. I'm

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just saying, right, But I mean, like the kid, because

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it all manifested, because the people are making wishes, wish

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it well, oh that's right, that's right, and all of

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the all the wishes started good but ended up bad. Right.

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The kid wish was buried for the life, which was good,

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but the bear was basically created with depression and anxiety,

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and that was because the trickster who ended up being

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archangel Gabriel. Right, yes, yeah, I think it was good.

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I did it. Yeah, okay, good times with supernatural. Yeah.

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Well so.

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Literally though, that is intention, A wish is an intention.

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But yeah, he didn't hand so it. He didn't put

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all the different parts into it to.

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Make it up popp it. He just wanted it to

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be alive.

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One thing that I find fascinating about the description that

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I came up with is that you can use clay

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or corn huss which I literally have a access to

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clay all the time, so I could incorporate that into

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a poppet.

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I take my mind. I'm like to dig into your backyard.

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I mean, my dog is I have a one foot

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frickin' hole.

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I don't remember if I told you that. You know that,

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but it's just funny for those of you who don't know.

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His wife owns a pottery business, so clearly she has

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the clay, not his backyard. That no, right, I can't

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just go and dig at myself. Unfortunately, he could.

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I mean hard to get there, yeah, I mean I'd

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have to go to the river to find it. But

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that's one of the common questions that Shelley gets is,

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oh do you do you just go dig your own clay?

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And she's like, no, I buy powder and rehi.

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I mean but she could she could go get clay

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and then up sail it as organic. Well, people will

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eat that up. I mean, you're not wrong there to

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your table.

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So since we got a little bit of time yet,

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what what would you put into your poppet?

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If you were to make one? Rainbows and butterflies? Man,

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you know.

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That's well, the rainbows aren't a physical thing that you

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can put in there.

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So that's an opinion.

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I mean unless you buy a prism, and in which case, yeah,

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you're not.

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You're not wrong. There there's ways around it. I really

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have no idea, to be honest, Like i'd have to

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sit here and not have the study tea things. I'd

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probably start with the color theory. Uh so I would

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probably choose a color that represents a certain emotion or

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a represents something that I want, like for the cloth

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or probably well I probably do both. So I probably

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definitely do the cloth, that's for sure. That'd be like

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the clothes it would wear, or if if I put

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clothes on it, or just you know, the fabric itself

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of the doll. That's something we're gonna have to ask, Patty.

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Do you put clothes on a poppet? That's a new question.

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I don't know personally, I feel like you don't. I

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think the ones I've seen anyway, I know don't. But right, right,

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but yeah, you know. And then I would also create,

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because I would want this thing to represent.

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For me.

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I would probably make it to represent me. So I

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probably create a little heart to put in its chest, right,

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because that's kind of like the source of life in

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a way. And then outside of that, honestly, I would

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be focused on a lot of positive ingredients, anything that

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generates positive energy and the absorption of negative or the

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dispersion of negative, as well as items like iron that

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might help promote some good luck. Yeah, rabbit swoot, I

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mean he's rabbits floating forever. But I remember growing up

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he used to have them all the time on me,

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so sad. Now I was gonna say, you're wanting to

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kill poor innocent No, I wouldn't find one that's already

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been hit by a car and take hold on. It's

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just wawn shop but so messed up. Sorry, Oh, man.

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Yeah, I mean, and that's I mean going through this

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book and trying to really choose what you put into

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your puppet.

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It is a huge responsibility.

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You know. You know you're you've got the intention, that's

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one thing, but you have to choose things that is

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going to be prosperous to your intentions, not negatively impacting.

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Them, like someone like myself here. I would probably put

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some Christian medallions in it, or objects, whether it's a

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cross or Pandict coin or something.

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I would say Benedict medallion, yeah, which I haven't thought

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about for years. I still have the one that we got,

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not originally but when we were kind of coming back

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to the paranormal. It's in one of my little this

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guy right here that you sent me to. Oh yeah,

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the cross from Sicily. Yeah, I still have that cross.

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I have the cross from my grandma that's made out

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of wood, but that's huge. I wouldn't be able to

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put that in a pop out unless I made it

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really big. I've got tons of crystals. I would probably

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put crystals in mind, just because A I love crystals,

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and B most of them are for different intentions to

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which I didn't see anything in the description for crystals

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and whatever, just rbs and stuff like that. But I'm

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assuming you can put.

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I'd imagine you can put anything you want. Yeah, I know.

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Again, many questions to ask Patty when chickens on here

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are what are some of your other thoughts on puppets?

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You know, I I was one of those who, initially,

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same with a good doll, same with any doll for

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that matter, had a negative view of them. I didn't

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quite understand it other than what Hollywood taught us, and

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of course cooling up when your child. Hollywood influence you,

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influences you a lot, at least most of us, it

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does well.

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And I do want to point out there is a

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huge difference between a haunted doll and a puppet. Not

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that a haunted doll cannot be a puppet in and

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of itself, but sometimes those kind of get intertwined.

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To Yeah, sorry, I'm like, pause for a moment. Is

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there a noise over by by you somewhere? Yeah, I've

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got wind blowing him. Okay, I'm here sling out of

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my bro there's something whistling in your microphone? No, yeah,

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it's outside, So we're to have some whistling on the show.

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And our guest is here, so we're gonna bring her in.

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Hey guys, hey Patty, welcome, Thank you, thank you.

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How are you today?

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I am good. Been one of those run run, run run,

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but I like them that way, so it was good.

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Okay, I'm good. Good. You know it's I I agree.

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I like when it's busy. I mean it was a

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little faster. You know, you got stuff to do, he

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said of sitting at home. Yeah, you know. Well, welcome

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to poetry for so glad to have you on. We

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we've just kind of been talking basics on poppets, our

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own experiences with them, and how we view out there

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we go, you guys can see if you're watching YouTube period.

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We have quite a few questions for you. You. I'm

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going to just start off right first and foremost usually

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we start off with like how do you get into it?

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And then that's gonna be our second question, because my

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first question, since you just showed all those, can you

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put clothing on a poppet?

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Sure you can. I mean if you want to it

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if because you want to tag lock something that makes

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it represent you. So like if if you always were suspenders,

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I would make something that looks like your little poppet

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had suspenders on like this one. This is the one

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necklace I'll always have on. So this is me. I'm

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not arty craftsy. You know, it's okay if you're not

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artie craftsy and still make a lovely poppet. I make

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a lot out of paper napkins because if you want

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to burn, you know, depends on what you want to

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do with them. But yeah, if if you want to

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have a closed or you can make it out of clothes,

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which is a very common way to do it.

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Okay, all right, interesting, Now what first drew you specifically

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to dolls and poppits as part of your magical practice.

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I actually I have always been a doll girl. I

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think when I was in my mother's womb, I had

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a large doll collection behind me. For those who can see,

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I've got I haunted as regular dolls. If I turned

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my camera around, I'm stared at by hundreds of eyes,

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my my mostly Barbie, and every other kind of doll.

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So I've always been a doll collector, regular ones, haunted

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ones of everything. And when I the one thing and

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I live in kind of two different worlds. I live

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in the paranormal world, the Ghost of Ventures, Overnight and

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all that, and then I live in the magical, witchy, empowering,

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spiritual world. And what's the thing that brings them together

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is dolls. So on the new book doll Craft, I'm like,

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make it half about haunted dolls and half about poppits,

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and it was what literally it brought me together as

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how I am. So I think that's it. I'd like,

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what a poppet is is that it's sympathetic magic. It

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powers me. If I get a headache, I stick a

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needle in my doll's head and my headache goes away easy,

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sympathetic magic, what you stuck it with, what you put

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into it, all those little things. So I think I've

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just been a.

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Doll girl, so similar to what most people think of

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as a voodoo doll.

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Well, yeah, but voodoo doll is a specific belief system,

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right right, and whatever it is. But it's a doll

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for magical purpose. Yeah. It is certainly not innately negative

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or anything negative. It's what you make with it absolutely scary,

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right Yeah.

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Now, I mean you've loved dolls your whole life, but

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was there a particular doll or experience that really made

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you say Okay, I need to write doll craft. I

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need to share this experience in tell people.

460
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.799
I think. I think Bell, my girl Bell in the

461
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:01.680
back in the burgundy dress, because she was a life

462
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:08.839
changer for me. Things are dropping. So I've always been dolls.

463
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.079
I've always been kind of public and with what I'm doing.

464
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.000
And there's this girl in Belgium who wrote me and

465
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.200
she had seen me do a seance with Peggy the Doll.

466
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.720
And it wasn't Ghost Adventures. It was a spinoff of

467
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.960
Ghost Adventures. It was called Deadly Possessions when Zach Burst

468
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.079
wanted to show off his collection and she saw me

469
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.279
doing Peggy the Doll, who's given two people heart attacks,

470
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.839
and you know they documented people sick. And she figured

471
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.920
if I could handle Peggy the Doll, I could handle Bell.

472
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.000
So she wrote me, got my permission. Bell had made

473
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.319
her sick for three years, made her hair fall out,

474
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.039
made her little kid sick unless you put it, and

475
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.160
she wanted it to have a good home. Somebody knew

476
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.160
how to do it. I'm like, sure, send it to me.

477
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.680
The doll was so powerful. This was years ago now

478
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.440
and I had never even done a Facebook live before,

479
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.519
never thought about it. But something, and it was a doll,

480
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.880
said you have to put this on video of Facebook

481
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.799
Live and like non boxing, which is a thing in itself,

482
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.680
But and I didn't have that many followers at the time,

483
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.440
and I still don't have that many. Fifty thousand people

484
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.359
watched me up unlock open that doll as usually i'd

485
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.279
read three hundred four hundred if now even be ooh,

486
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.000
like a thousand people. It was the doll and I

487
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.039
opened it up, this doll and this beautiful dolls so dark,

488
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.240
and I'm like, I can't, I can't have this in

489
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.799
my house. And I literally would not let the sun

490
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.759
set until I banished the negative. I knew, I knew,

491
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.480
I just knew there was a beautiful little spirit inside

492
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:43.920
the doll. But I was, you know, because negative haunted

493
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.799
dolls aren't fun. If positive haunted dolls are just as

494
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.200
spooky and just as much fun. They walk around, they

495
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.599
move things, they wink at you, they do everything you

496
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.920
want a haunt a doll, but they won't drain your energy,

497
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.039
make you sick, or make you beat people up. So

498
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.000
I'm like, I'm like everybody, they're so popular. We know

499
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.480
how popular dolls are, and haunted dolls more grown ups

500
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.640
men women like us have these crazy doll collections. I'm like,

501
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.519
somebody needs to know how to take care of it.

502
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:17.000
Because this doll made this woman sick and I'm sticking

503
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.200
the herb rue in her hand to make your not

504
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.079
make other people sick. And then this beautiful little spirit

505
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:24.720
came out. I'm like, nobody's really done a guide like this,

506
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.119
And again I wanted to bring I didn't want it

507
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.599
just about haunted doll's care and feeding, because a lot

508
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.519
of magic is involved. I go, well, other than just

509
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.359
have it how to have a good positive haunted doll,

510
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.319
what if we add the puppets to it so people

511
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.559
can have their doll for love or health or money

512
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.759
or clarity or focus or a nice shadow work doll

513
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:54.880
and made out of anything clay, this, that paper, cement, dirt, mud, seed, paper.

514
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.920
So I think it was the bell being such an

515
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.640
influence on me and seeing what it had done to

516
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.519
this woman that I just need to have people an

517
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.319
easy guidebook if they are interested in this, have a

518
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.160
real easy how to Okay.

519
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.160
Now, in the book, you break down different types of puppets,

520
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.559
you know, classic biodegradable food based crafty et cetera. Can

521
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.599
you walk us through a few of those and why

522
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.319
someone might choose any or one or the other.

523
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.119
Yeah, Well, one of the twends on what you're doing it.

524
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.720
If you again, depending on the attributes of what you want.

525
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.720
If you want to like get rid of old stuff

526
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.240
and get rid of old negativity, you might want to

527
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.559
burn it or bury it, or maybe you want to

528
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.240
plant new seeds and build something. You might want to

529
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.720
plant it, which is slightly different than burying it those

530
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.680
same process. Maybe you want to make something and you

531
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.519
want to send it out onto stream water in motion

532
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.440
into the river. So for that you want it to

533
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.320
be really biodegradable. Again, there's where the as organic as

534
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.679
you can a little piece of paper that's got biodegradable

535
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.599
herbs in it. Maybe you want something for strength, to

536
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.920
make it strong. Maybe you want to make that out

537
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:23.960
of clay or something strong. Maybe you know, I think

538
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.360
the creativity has to be both a combination of what

539
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:28.960
you're going to do with it or you want to

540
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.360
keep it. If you want it cute and pretty to

541
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:33.559
guard your home, you want to make a home guardian,

542
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.039
make a cute little doll that'll sit by your front

543
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.880
door and guard your home. You want to make a

544
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.679
protection poppet and you want to stick it in a

545
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.400
shoe box under your bed for whatever, that's great. But

546
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.679
the more thought, the more attributes you put into it,

547
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.679
the better it is. But anything can be anything.

548
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:53.840
Does that make sense?

549
00:34:53.880 --> 00:35:00.159
I hope you want flexibility like a streaming puppet. Do

550
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.840
you want a traditional a corn dolly? A corn dolly

551
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.079
because you want tradition there because it's been how they

552
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.360
did in the Appalachian Mountains, how they did it in

553
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.000
Old England. If you want a little bit of tradition

554
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.079
and clarity and folklore into it.

555
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.320
Well, it's funny you say that because in some of

556
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.800
the research I saw that you can put clay into it.

557
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.960
And my wife's a potter, so I have access to clay,

558
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.280
you know, all the time. So jokingly, as you know,

559
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.760
if I made a poppet, I could put clay into it.

560
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.719
And I mean I'm kind of serious too, like if

561
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.559
I wanted to do a poppet, I at least have.

562
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.519
That as an abundance to use.

563
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.960
Yeah, that's great, And clay is great because think about

564
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.559
what are the attributes to clay. It's moldable, it's strong,

565
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.960
it's and if you want attributes like that into your puppet,

566
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:54.519
it's it's a perfect thing to use. I use soil

567
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.519
if you want to add soil for some ground into

568
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.480
things you want things to do a little bit of everything, Okay, cool?

569
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.400
So I mean and kind of spinning off of that,

570
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.000
like when somebody actually sits down to create a poppet,

571
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.599
what are some key ingredients of correspondence they could be

572
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.960
thinking about and how do they go about finding information?

573
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.679
Maybe that would help them to understand some of the

574
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:26.400
ingredients they could use, like thicking herbs, colors, fabrics or

575
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:30.519
like tag blogs.

576
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.760
You could use whatever tradition. Oh, pink is love. Pink

577
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.880
is love like romantic love. Red, Oh that's passion, like

578
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.719
romantic that kind of passion. Blue can be healing green

579
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.360
or gold can be money. So both what the traditional

580
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.039
colors mean while you're doing candlework, But more importantly is

581
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.400
kind of what it means to you, what it means

582
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.360
if if purple means money to you and you want

583
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.519
a money papp it, I would make it out of purple,

584
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.199
or you know, funny old money sewn together, monopoly money,

585
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.079
shred it up or something I do like to add

586
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.119
a lot of because it's really easy in this day

587
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.480
and age to look up what attribute. Oh cinnamon, it's

588
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.599
going to bring some fire into it. Good for passion,

589
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.960
good for protection. Ooh, rosemary is very protective or basis.

590
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.440
And I'm just talking simple stuff you find in your kitchen.

591
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.199
Let alone at any apothecary, adding some dirt, adding some soil.

592
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.719
If you work in graveyard dirt, graveyard dirt is beautiful,

593
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.360
be very careful. Again, it's sacred ground. And if it

594
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.320
freaks you out, don't do it. But I always give

595
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.159
offerings when I go to dury. Say, if I'm going

596
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.639
to make a protection poppet, I'm going to go to

597
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.280
the grave of maybe a decor decorated soldier or a

598
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.599
police person who did all these great works, ask their

599
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.280
permission of the dead. I could just have a spoon

600
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.280
leave them gets put that under my popfet. It's a

601
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.119
love poppet. Find the couple that was married fifty happily

602
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.159
married fifty year, ask them if you get a little

603
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.360
bit of their dirt for that grounding. Because your doll,

604
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.679
your puppet really has in a sense, three bodies you

605
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.400
want to create. It's got its physical body, which is

606
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.280
the material doll itself, and there's make it out of anything.

607
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.800
It has the astral body, which is literally the energetic

608
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.440
form that you're awakening into it, and then the symbolic body,

609
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.920
which is its identity, its purpose. You are for healing,

610
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:27.840
you are for shadow work, you are for money, you

611
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.559
are for road opener. So if you could combine all

612
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:33.840
those things and where you have, it's going to be

613
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.400
that much stronger honoring all those three of the bodies

614
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.960
literally the physical of the astral and the symbolic.

615
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:43.119
Awesome.

616
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:48.400
Yeah. So again, it's been used forever. You guys Egypt,

617
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.920
Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome, Celtic Appalachian tradition, Japanese dolls.

618
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.400
Do it if you do want to do like, why

619
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:00.599
would I make it out of it? Cloth puppets are

620
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.480
really good. If it's you're doing some for emotional long

621
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.079
it's long lasting. You want something long lasting, Something soft

622
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.920
is really good. Maybe you want to use wax because

623
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.639
it's transformable, you can move it around. It's excellent for

624
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.079
breaking habits, or you want to melt away negativity. You

625
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.760
might want to end up melting the poppet. Maybe you

626
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.079
want clay for grounding. You want something really grounding, because

627
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.360
clay is grounding. That's the attribute. It's stable. It's ideal

628
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.920
for protection or long term work that you're doing. Maybe

629
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:35.960
you want something really traditional, make it out of corn

630
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.079
hust go to the do it from cornhouse. Maybe you

631
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.039
want to make it out of pure paper again because

632
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.599
you want something quick. You want something potent. You want

633
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.119
great for urgent spells going and I want to burn

634
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.400
those barriers. Put it into the water safely, stick or

635
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.280
root poppets. You want something really natural. And again it's

636
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:56.599
there's not a right or wrong, but what's right or

637
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:59.000
wrong to you is what's right or what feels best.

638
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.719
Maybe you want some strong for bones and you want

639
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.880
to put some eggshells into it. We just talked about

640
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.679
that in the class I just finished like five minutes ago.

641
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.920
So herbs are going to give you the attributes of

642
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.480
those herbs, crystals and stones, because they're all living things,

643
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:19.719
living spirits, oils. Give them some scent you want to use. Actually,

644
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.920
it's nice to use all your senses. Snite. You want

645
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:26.679
to look like what you wanted to do. Sound. Maybe

646
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.559
it's it's soft, you put a little bell in it,

647
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.360
you heat, you feel it when it sits down, it's heavy,

648
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.679
it's light smell. You're going to get that from the

649
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:39.360
herbs or oils you use. Touch how it feels soft.

650
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.079
I'm going to take a nice eyepillow poppet, which we

651
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.079
just talked about in class as well, a nice soft

652
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.320
satiny with a lot of camameal and lavender in it.

653
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.719
Just the more creative you can be is good. Also,

654
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.280
you want things again, if you want to keep layering

655
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.840
it on I there's kind of a triad you want

656
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.480
to use. You want something to stabilize it, you want

657
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:06.280
something to trans the transformer, and you want the messenger.

658
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.280
Stabilizer would be the salt you're putting into it, or

659
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.639
the soil like I just talked about, or some iron

660
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:17.400
or the stones you put into it. The transformer, it'd

661
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.119
be the herbs, the crystals that are aligned with the

662
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:25.519
goal that you're creating. The messenger is the taglock, the signature,

663
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.840
the handwriting, and again, and taglocks are really important because

664
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.639
that's personal. Taglocks are what people get freaked out about

665
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.880
it because that's some of your hair, that's some of

666
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:38.000
your fingernail clippings, but that literally has your DNA that's

667
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.400
taglocking it. To you. If you don't have that stuff,

668
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.440
your signature, your breath. Your breath literally is your life force.

669
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.599
It's your pneuma, it's your prana. The moisture in your

670
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.480
breath is your free will. You're taglocking it just putting

671
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.920
your words and your breath into it. So again, if

672
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.519
you could have the messenger, is that taglock, This is

673
00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:00.960
where the messenger is going to So many as simple

674
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:07.039
or as many layers as you want. Makes sense. Yeah,

675
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.719
but the taglocks really are the energy bread, the energy

676
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.440
bridge to what you're doing. So if you're making a

677
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.320
taglock for a health healing for Grandma on the other side,

678
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.840
and you could have a little piece of her old,

679
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.159
you know, house coat that she used to wear that

680
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.360
she was giving to go gold, well, that would be great.

681
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:26.559
Okay.

682
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.760
Now for beginners, if someone is curious about poppet magic

683
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.960
but nervous about quote unquote opening doors.

684
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.760
What's a simple safe practice they can try.

685
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.320
You're only going to open the doors that you ask for.

686
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.519
And again that's why I don't do negative puppet. It's

687
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.440
I don't want to send anybody evil or curses or hexes,

688
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.039
not because good or bad heaven her hell, it's because

689
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.239
you live in the world, you create. So you want

690
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.280
to try a nice I'm going to make a health

691
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.000
and happiness or a love popfit for myself, or I

692
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:04.079
get a new career it for myself. It's all in

693
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.039
your tension. Do it with love, do it with light.

694
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:10.119
Work within your belief system. If you're nature based, your

695
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.599
work with calling the tree, spirits, and you work with angels,

696
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.960
work with your angels, you work with fairies. Work with

697
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.079
your fairies. You have Christian, work with Jesus. Work within

698
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.880
your belief system. Jesus will love the poppet. You know.

699
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.239
I'm sorry they may not tell you that in church.

700
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:29.360
In Christ put a little cross on it. That's your

701
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:33.599
belief system, a star of David and all. It only

702
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.679
be as powerful as you make it. And again, you

703
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.599
don't put negative If you need to bind, you can

704
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.719
bind them. I'm a clear binder. You want to tie

705
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.400
up those arms of somebody who's trying to harm you

706
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.800
or your family. You don't want to send them evil,

707
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.199
but you want. You cannot hurt me. You cannot hurt

708
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:54.039
my family, my job, my career, my pets. But you're

709
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.719
not sending them negative stuff. So you're not there's no

710
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.119
negative kickback to it. You're not going to open up

711
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.360
any doors, not like you're ooh sitting around a Ouiji board,

712
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:04.880
which again I think is completely safe depending on what

713
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.280
you say and you set your intention in the beginning.

714
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.159
I set up sacred space, whatever it is, whether that

715
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.039
means to you, say a little prayer, lighting a little candle,

716
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:18.360
light some incense, say a chant, you call the corners air, fire,

717
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.000
water and earth. Do an LBRP work within your belief system.

718
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:26.679
Okay, So moving on to a little bit I know where,

719
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:32.199
kind of short overall, but talking about haunted dolls from

720
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.360
your perspective or actually different question. A lot of people

721
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:41.400
are genuinely scared of haunted dolls. Can you tell us

722
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:45.039
some the common misconceptions that you'd love to clear up

723
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.559
about haunted dolls that maybe would help people not be

724
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.880
so scared or whether they should be scared.

725
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:56.519
Well, again, if you go visit Annabel too often, or Peggy, Peggy,

726
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.719
the doll that I did the seance with, he blunks

727
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.480
to Zach begins Now he doesn't want any spirits removed

728
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:07.440
or anything like that. Heaven, but she literally curses at

729
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.519
me when I walk in. She's got a spirit box

730
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.559
there and you walk in, you know every day the

731
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:19.960
war Hi, Peggy, you look so beautiful today it's extrewer Okay,

732
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.559
bye bye. And not too long ago, on this last

733
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.280
tour of Annabelle, I was almost touring with her because

734
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.280
all these conventions I was doing, and this one I

735
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.079
literally the only thing that divided the vendor floor where

736
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.760
I had my books and the Warren complete a cult museum,

737
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.079
including annabel was a curtain, was a thin little invention.

738
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.480
The energy was bombarding me. I'm like, nobody's even going

739
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:49.519
to come talk to me because it feels so icky

740
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.039
over here. But I put up warding. I put up protection,

741
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.079
and I put up so much protection I didn't feel it.

742
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.000
It was like a cement wall of energy. You don't

743
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.000
need a cement wall, you have energy to do it.

744
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.519
So people were as fine. I put up so much

745
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:08.719
protection I was able to Later that night when they

746
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.800
opened those curtains up, I was dancing with Annabelle safely.

747
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:19.199
On her tour. She travels with a priest. And last time, again,

748
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:23.280
sometimes I'm affected by her more than others. But again,

749
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.079
before you go in set a protection, nothing can bother me.

750
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.920
You cannot bother me after where I hadn't set up

751
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.880
my protection. So it was so cute. Father Bob. He

752
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.239
knows I'm a witch, he knows I'm a pagan. I'm like,

753
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.519
and everybody was doing blessings afterwards, I'm like, I would

754
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:42.920
love a blessing from you, Father Bob. He's like, almost apologetically,

755
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.079
is so, kiddie goes, it's going to be a Catholic blessing?

756
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:46.880
Is that a like?

757
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.039
I would want nothing else from you?

758
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:56.280
I wonder, Yeah, whatever you're coming from, yeah.

759
00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.000
That's what I want. But again, you should be cautious.

760
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.599
I don't like the word afraid. Fear is the word

761
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.440
that takes away your power, but fear change your idea

762
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.760
of fear is inspiration and challenge and all that. But

763
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.239
if you're going to go see I don't think anybody

764
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:14.880
should have a negative haunted doll in their home. I

765
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.800
don't think you should most of the time, keep your

766
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.119
haunted dolls, even the good ones, in your bedroom when

767
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.000
you go to sleep, put them in any other room

768
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.199
of the house. Because it is a real spirit. It

769
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:29.280
is a real spirit. That's why a negative haunted doll

770
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.559
can make you sick, can make drain your energy can

771
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.599
cause arguing and fighting and illness and not stuff. Again,

772
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.039
that's why I made the book a positive haunted doll,

773
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.360
to make sure you find one by one. Now, I

774
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.760
didn't number one. I didn't want people getting ripped off

775
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.280
by the fake sellers on Ebays. Not saying they're all

776
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.280
fake by any means. There's real sellers. But if one

777
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.079
seller's had nine hundred and twelve these beautifully long crafted

778
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.360
stories about the dots, you know, be careful read the reviews.

779
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.840
But I think you can find as good of ones

780
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.239
are better in your local thrift store. So I just

781
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.719
wanted it. If everybody wants to have one, you want

782
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.360
to have a positive one that doesn't make you sick

783
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.599
or drain your energy, or make you sleepy or make

784
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.480
you fight with people. And again, they're still just as spooky.

785
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:22.559
They're still just as spooky. There nobody's upstairs, but somebody's

786
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.320
walking upstairs, and it sounds like it's Bell, or is

787
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.719
it's whoever, it's Salem. It's all my different dolls, tell

788
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.840
by your animals and little children, because nobody knows if

789
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.880
you're When Bell was first here, my animals would have

790
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.599
nothing to do with her. Even when I first banished

791
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.599
the negative she had because there's residual energy. It has

792
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.039
to go away. Like say you book yummy chocolate chip cookies,

793
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.360
but somebody ate them. All the cookies still smell for

794
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.320
a while. You stepped in dog poop. Your shoes are clean,

795
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.239
but it still smells for a while. To look at

796
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.679
small children, my dog and cat avoided, and then all

797
00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:59.440
of a sudden they love her. They like to live

798
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.440
by her. So check stuff like that, How do you

799
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.559
feel are you avoiding that area? I had one. I

800
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:09.239
will not have a negative haunted doll. All of a sudden,

801
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.719
I love my little office, all my dolls looking at me,

802
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.599
all my books. All of a sudden I noticed I

803
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:18.039
was not spending any time in my office. I would

804
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.599
take my laptop outside. I'm like, what isn't I look

805
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.039
around and I had this little doll. She looked kind

806
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.480
of like a voodoo doll, but she was a statue,

807
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.400
and it was a gift from one of my friends,

808
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.599
like one of my rockstar friends. And I'm like, oh,

809
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.599
it's you. You've gone bad. You've taken on a spirit

810
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.880
that wasn't here. So me, being me, I didn't want

811
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.400
to banish. I just called Zach Megan's. I went, hey, Zach,

812
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.760
this is too dark for my house. Do you want

813
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.440
it going to Vegas tomorrow? It started acting up that night.

814
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.199
But it's in the perfect place, not where somebody lives

815
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.320
or raises a family or has roommates, goes to sleep

816
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.320
at night, where you're vulnerable. It's in a perfect place

817
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:57.639
in his museum. But so that's why I decided to

818
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.000
make the book, because you do have to be careful

819
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:03.079
old haunted dolls. Again, if you walk into somebody's house

820
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:04.719
and they have a negative haunted doll and you don't

821
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:06.280
want it, and they don't have a pint salt, or

822
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.719
with a glass case, or all those crazy things we do. Again,

823
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.800
say you cannot bother me. Speak it out loud whenever possible.

824
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.239
You say it in your head, things can still hear.

825
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:18.559
But when you say it out loud again, your breath

826
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.599
is involved, your life or us. And then when you leave,

827
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.679
go you stay here. I leave, just like when you're

828
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:30.440
on a paranormal investigation. Your intent is everything, and you

829
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.400
know in the name of whatever you believe, in the

830
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.039
name of God and the name of your cat, and

831
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.840
the name of your you know. Designer handbag doesn't matter

832
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.639
your intent, your purpose.

833
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:45.679
Right now, that's interesting that you bring that up. Eric

834
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:51.880
had found a mask that he really was sure it

835
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.679
was haunted, and you know it can be anything. So

836
00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:00.000
how do you personally protect yourself when working with haunted objects?

837
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.880
You know, from start to finish, what's your spiritual hygiene?

838
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:06.920
My spiritual hygiene is again work within your belief system.

839
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.039
But my spiritual hygiene, and I work within every belief

840
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.800
system is My favorite schigul or symbol is the helm

841
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:19.599
of Awe. It's that it's an eight sided cross, a

842
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.519
little stickers. You won't be able to see it anybody.

843
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.760
I know most of you are not visual. It's an

844
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.039
eight sided cross and it's got the little half circles

845
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:32.800
in three lines. This is not sacred geometry. I wear

846
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.519
medallions of it. I literally have this under my welcome mud.

847
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:41.320
It keeps out bad spirits and burglars. To me, it's

848
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.760
like an atomic bomb that breaks up negative energy. But

849
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.199
and so this is what I would put this under

850
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.400
a doll whatever that needs. It's super protection. It's to

851
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.719
me is for me personally, my best protection out there.

852
00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:03.119
But cascaria powder, salt, sigital symbols of every kind. There's

853
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.880
lots of herbs. Again, ru is going to pull away negativity.

854
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:11.079
Okay, okay. And for folks who are like who feel

855
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.519
called to go deeper into this episode in particular and

856
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.760
what you're sharing with us, what's the best way to

857
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:21.280
work through dollcraft? Is it something going straight through it?

858
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.320
Is it maybe taking a little bit at a time,

859
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.960
doing separate chapters and chunks.

860
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:32.480
I would say, how if people just like, in all

861
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.199
my magic is work, how you work? If you're just

862
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.559
like I'm going to use it at a reference? What

863
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.400
do I need to know to day do that? Like

864
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.000
the biblio bouncy whatever you call it. It's like, oh no,

865
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.760
I need a specific poppet. So I'm going to look

866
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.679
at the different kind of puppets. I mean, I'm a reader,

867
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.679
So I would say, read the whole thing and then

868
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.880
see where you're drawn. If you don't know what you want.

869
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:54.840
But if you're sitting here going I want to haunt

870
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.159
a doll, now read that section.

871
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:56.599
First.

872
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.199
I want to know how to buy it. Purchase it,

873
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.360
call one in, you can call in a spirit to

874
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.599
do it. People makes it so much mystery?

875
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:06.360
Uh?

876
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:09.039
And then or had Haunted all tea party. Some people

877
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.719
why want to completely skip that chapter, but a lot

878
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:18.000
of people don't. I was supposed to do one last week,

879
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.920
a Haunted all tea party at the Lizzie Borden House,

880
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.400
but we got snowed out or.

881
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.280
What I think.

882
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:29.000
That's the biggest thing is is so many people have

883
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:33.159
been freaked out by Hollywood. Uh you know, the dramatization

884
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.480
of haunted dolls. Not that they cannot be scary, because

885
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:41.400
sometimes just regular dolls can be scary, but not all

886
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:45.519
dolls are necessarily having a negative and any attached to them.

887
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:51.719
Most aren't most, most aren't most most people. Most ghosts

888
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.599
are good. I mean TV. I'm sorry, media and I'm

889
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.800
part of it makes it look bad. You go to

890
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.840
the insane asylum, you go to the prison, the boys' school,

891
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.559
and you don't go to the fun hotel where the

892
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.599
ghosts are hanging from the best days at the chandelier's

893
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.440
best days of their life. So, because that's what you want,

894
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.000
you want the spooky and dark stuff, you don't make

895
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.599
movies about the good haunted dolls. But most ghosts are good,

896
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.480
Like most people. You go to a ball game, go

897
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.400
to a mall, most people are there good. You might

898
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.239
find a rare serial killer or a bad person, but

899
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.719
most people are good. Most spirits are good. And if

900
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.079
you're a disembodied spirit and you decide you want a vessel,

901
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:32.960
you don't need a vessel. But if you decide you

902
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:37.480
want a vessel, you can go to a jar of water,

903
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.280
or you can go something with eyes and a doll

904
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.559
with eyes and nose and a mouth, so you can

905
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.719
go to a doll. But most of those are good.

906
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.159
They most of them are good. They really right.

907
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.599
Well, we are getting close to the end, so I

908
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.119
do want to ask you know, where can people find

909
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.960
doll Crafts connect with you, find your other works, your podcast,

910
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:01.519
The MIC's all yours.

911
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.519
My book Old World Magic, Pattinegri dot com p A

912
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:06.239
T t I n A g r I. You can

913
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.199
get everything you can get to Dollcraft. Dollcraft is It's

914
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:15.239
Llewellyn so it's available everywhere metaphysical stores, regular bookstores, Amazon,

915
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.159
Barnes and Nobles, everywhere goll Craft or on my website.

916
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.880
You can get signed copies. My other book, Old World

917
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.519
Magic for the Modern World, which is still my baby,

918
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.599
my passion book, How to Bring Magic into every part

919
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.599
of your life. It's even smaller. It's easy fast read,

920
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.639
like why do you put salt in your toilet?

921
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:32.760
What?

922
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:35.960
Why do you stew your coffee? This way? It's still

923
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.159
my passion book, but you can get fair. You can

924
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.719
get to my podcast The Witching Hour. You can get

925
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:46.000
to my schedule of all the places I travel everywhere constantly.

926
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.199
You can get to tons of free videos on my YouTube.

927
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.400
You can find my school where I teach this stuff.

928
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.039
Just tonight I taught a complete poppet class an hour

929
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.639
and a half. Poppet class. I teach on a doll classes.

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I teach spell crash. I see mediumship development for twenty

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dollars a class or less. I wanted so when I

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saw celebrity mediums teaching sparting thousands of dollars, I want

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and I want to be affordable my podcast. You can

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get to pair flix my network everywhere Pattiegree dot com.

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Follow me on social media please Patty Pattiegree Psychic Medium

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on Facebook, Patty dot Negre on Instagram, Patty Neegri everywhere else.

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That just helps because it's our world and that's it.

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Or see me right here with you guys.

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Well, thank you so much for being on.

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I know we had to bring you on late today,

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so we'll definitely have to get you on to talk

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more about all Craft.

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And the other book as well well.

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But until then we will let you go and thank

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you so much for being on Pair True three born.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for the good work you guys are doing.

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That means a lot. This is great. I love your show,

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I love what you do, so thank you.

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Awesome, Thank you all right, folks. That is Patton Agree.

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So if you're looking to find her book, make sure

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that you check her out. A lot of great stuff

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going on here at Paratruth. Eric, If do you have

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any final thoughts before we head out?

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Do you know, no final thoughts, no housekeeping. You know

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we're really close to Christmas, so you know that special

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Christmas episode is coming up in two weeks to look

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forward to that. Otherwise, just have.

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It the week, all right, folks, until next week where

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you'll find us the same time, same channel.

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My name is Justin and I'm Eric. He is
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Patricia Ann Negri

Patti Negri, Psychic-Medium and "Good Witch" is best known for her recurring role on the Travel Channel & Discovery Plus's #1 show GHOST ADVENTURES and the #1 paranormal show on YouTube TFIL OVERNIGHT with Elton Castee. She is the international bestselling author of OLD WORLD MAGICK FOR THE MODERN WORLD: TIPS, TRICKS, & TECHNIQUES TO BALANCE, EMPOWER, & CREATE A LIFE YOU LOVE and her already popular just released book from Lewellyn called DOLLCRAFT about Haunted Dolls and magical poppets.

Patti's body of work includes appearances on dozens of shows from Portals To Hell, MASTER CHEF, WipeOut and America’s Got Talent to Influencers, YouTubers and crossover talents like Lilly Singh, LaurDIY, Good Mythical Morning and AwesomenessTV.

She has graced numerous magazine covers, contributed to over 20 books and conducted seances on radio, film, and TV working with such legends as Emma Stone, Jon Voight, Meghan Trainor and Gregory Hines.

Patti has a popular award-winning weekly podcast called The Witching Hour and has a second weekly podcast, The Witch's Movie Coven. Patti is a founding partner and Vice President of Paraflixx.com Streaming Service, and founding partner and Headmistress at UniversityMagickus.com (or magicku.org) an online spirituality and mysticism School.